BMW i5 M60 | A Driving Experiment
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- We have detailed the new 2024 BMW Electric 5 Series in the m60 trim level, priced at $90,000. As sedans move away from internal combustion, will the electric drivetrain improve them? We answer this question by explaining the technical aspects and taking this extremely fast car for a drive.
Owners of Camaros, Porsches, BMWs, Corvettes, Ferraris, Lambos, Hondas, and Teslas will want to learn what BMW is doing here.
#cars #engineering #technology
Index:
00:00 Intro, Interior and Exterior
3:24 Mechanical Impressions
7:18 Driving Impressions
14:15 Final Thoughts 
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I love it how we've come from "don't use your cellphone while driving" to "here's a full entertainment system in your car to make sure you have zero focus on what's going on around you or on the road, while you drive a 2,5T monster that can accelerate with dragster speeds".
@Tesla
Peak 21st century logic
A lot of states wrote laws banning cell phone use but they never took into account progression of technology, so now you can control your cell phone, play games, watch videos etc. using the car's screen and because it's the car it's not a "handheld electronic device".
You have so much technology to distract you apps etc.
Your prophecy is biblical.
I cannot get over... 96K and no cooled seats. Ridiculous.
BMW has no cooled seats. They only have ventilated😂
96k and the dash only crashes occasionally 😂
Typical BMW move
@@isserdigan2835whats the difference between cooled and ventailted? 😂 tf
If it had them - they wouldn't work. They make noise, but do nothing.
The digital art voiceover + instant car sickness launch mode is like some finishing combo in a video game.
the throttle scene killed me haha
Perfect car for when you’ve graduated from Applebees and moved up to Cheesecake Factory.
Nobody who eats at those places can afford this.
@@colin-nekritzVery astute, Colin.
How did you comment 5 days ago
LOL
@@neelkrishnaPatreon probably
It took 25 seconds for my reaction to this car to be “oh fuck that shit.”
Did you see the thumbnail
@@TheG60528XiJinPingnot sure what's polarizing about the outside seeing it's one of the tamest current models they have.
It took me one look at whole bmw line up to come up with that
I made it to 1:40. The solution to these cars is to buy and maintain older ICE and analogue cars, as I recently did with a 2006 Jaguar XJ8 VDP. Grace, pace, and space, ensconced in a cocoon of leather and burl walnut. I pity the poors in their tawdry tin boxes.
@@3ducs buddy you bought a used car thats 18 years old now, it makes YOU poor as well. Have fun maintaining probably the worst era of Jag's.
"230 miles of real-world range"
"$93k"
I love how BMW try and justify the obsolete electrical architecture by saying they are using it because it is cheaper and in the real world customers will benefit because of the cost savings outweighing the convenience and efficiency of 800v... then they have the balls to charge $93,000 for it...
@@Beer_Dad1975800V cars today are a mess and even more so with a small 84kWh battery. If you find a working 800V charger you're good and they will max out at ~230kW for a few minutes and then they are no faster than if you were on a 400V charger. If you end up on a 400V charger like you will 99.9% of the time then your life sucks. You'll get 100kW charging and take 2x-3x longer to get a charge. 400V is king for the next 4-5 years.
@@gregb7353 Sure, but $93K and BMW making excuses of cost savings? Smells like corporate bullsh*t to me. They should have just said what you said, they can't get it right so they didn't bother trying.
Or you could just home charge overnight and wake up to the full range every day. If 230 miles is not enough then look for something more suitable. I'm sure a 600hp awd ice car would need frequent visits to the gas station 😮
@@sell500hp and when you plan to take your overpriced, pos executive car on a trip, then what? Off to the charging station you go to wait and play tablet games like a dolt.
And for the more commodity EVs, their target demographic (i.e. millennials like myself) can't charge at home because none of us own a fucking house.
Mark is so over these cars and it shows.
I'm only here to watch the disgust and contempt on Mark's face each time an EV is reviewed...and to see if they ever understeer one into the farm.
@@duckylucky6505 Same
I'm over them as well. Boring, dull appliances for boring, dull people.
@@duckylucky6505 same lmao
@@fighter835then what’s a better alternative?
I am waiting for the day where the windscreen is effectively an oled screen streaming live feed video of the outside. I know it’s coming
You mean the cancelled Apple iCar Vision Pro?
Cadillac Escalade
Can’t wait to also steer with gestures!
Isn't that exactly what was happening in the BMW i3 looking concept car in that one Mission Impossible movie
I actually can see it because it would safer to have steel covering the front of the car than glass, and then you could have full screen night vision and augmented reality.
Modern BMWs are always a reminder to me that I need to buy a nice low mileage car that was made before all of the screens and gimmicks started getting shoved into cars and take care of that car so it lasts me a long time, because all I can think about with so many modern cars is how badly they will age and eventually how difficult it will be to find used cars that aren't full of screens and gimmicks.
This trend started close to 20 years ago now, so good luck finding a low mileage 25 year old car today.
It started under the guise of safety (airbags, ABS ect) nearly 40 years ago. Or emission 50 years ago (cats, fuel injection) Or Ralph Nader many many years ago.
Lexus all day !!!
Pre-mild hybrid Idrive 7 BMWs are great and only a few years old.
@@mark_e82other than the electric power steering, I agree. (When was the last model with hydraulic?)
@8:14 I was laughing out loud at this moment XD
That "Oh God" from Mr. Goose when he realized what Hollywood was about to do had me cracking up...Jack had zero regard whatsoever for Mark's comfort lol. I have replayed that segment many times.
Hahhahaha what were they thinking :D
Same Here!!!!😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
No diddy
Literally spit out my drink 😅
As CEO of FakeTaxi, I have been longing for a car with such aggressive throttle calibration. Thanks to your review, we will now be placing a batch order to replace our fleet. I'm sure "Expressive" drive mode will come in handy.
I did an autocross thing put on by BMW where they showcase their new cars and let you drive them around an autocross circuit. It's a really cool concept..........in theory.
But my god, it was a perfect illustration of how far BMW has strayed from what the brand used to stand for.
It was a complete mismatch of car and format. You were driving these big, heavy, electric or hybrid BMW sedans, with truly awful brake pedal feel, completely numb steering, and the assists like TC on, around a tight winding autocross track.
It's like if someone deliberately designed the worst way to showcase these vehicles. But the event format has largely stayed the same, instead it's cars which have changed. At no point did I feel as though I was in "the ultimate driving machine"
always a pleasure to spend Monday morning on the toilet with you gentlemen
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Maybe the real digital art mode is the unsignalled lane changes and turns we made along the way?
96k, no cooled seats plus an older battery pack technology, sounds about right. Well atleast you can reminisce about bad sexual encounters. 😂
It is ALWAYS the right time to reminisce about bad sexual encounters! No wrong time to scratch that itch...
also, 30k premium for like 250 hp compared to the xdrive40is a joke
until you drive it. "car guys" will want the extra go (or the M badge). Car and Driver tested a BMW 530 xDrive (Base ~$61K & ~$71K as tested) was performing at "the minimum you'd expect from a modern BMW sedan"
Nvidia investment paying off, rewards us with computerized cars.
Tesla stock is also responsible for many of us being here too.
@@aussie2uGA Savageese creates using Nvidia.
I appreciate how these cars have magically transformed what used to be a day trip to West Texas into a multiday affair, requiring weeks of planning to assure charge stations will be available.
Well done.
that price is going to fall faster than Usual BMWs
Ofc it's an EV. At least they won't do constant price cuts like some EV makers
It already is, look at its lease pricing
Yup, If you want one just wait a couple of years and grab one for 60% off msrp. Plus extended warranty of course.
Real talk they are give ridiculous math doesn’t add up level lease deals on these… I’m a current bmw owner of a slightly older bmw like less than 10 years and the way they want me to come get one of these sheesh. But I love my msport x3 it’s the pre cursor to the x3 m40i xdrive. And this car has been flawless and has barely 70k on it for 8 years. I keep in in impeccable shape and it’s paid off, sorry bmw you actually made some reliable cars the last few years so I’m keepin mine the tech is still easy but modern enough too.
BMW, like Porsche, is actually pretty aggressively raising pricing on EVs. i7 xdrive60 went up over $15000 year to year. Piling up like cordwood on dealer lots, one would assume. @@user-my4xu4gf1z
"Take me to the future, Cao Fei!"
I love that that video has to be played every single time.
All the project leads at BMW were definitely found in fraternity parties with red solo cups in their hands.
More like a Starbucks with white Styrofoam cups lol.
😂😂😂Gold. As a alum of USC found this comment hilarious
The voiceover plus the pumped in acceleration noise is dystopian and horrifying
A new, $90k car without cooled seats is utterly unacceptable! Seeing the car on the lift with the charger plugged in looked odd, too. Neverthess, another good review from Savage Geese.
The Digital Art Mode has become the punchlines for the BMW videos at this point.
And I'm not complaining, haha.
I need a commuter vehicle to go from my duplex in exurban Rockford to my sub-board level job at a Fortune 500 company in the loop.
My route? Jumping straight onto 90 and doing 90 mph all the way until 294 when I then have to "cool down" because of the traffic due to construction but that is no worry to me since I have the well refined drive of the BMW i5 to just crush my commute away.
Perfection.😆
Almost spit my breakfast out on the test drive section
To each his/her own but I can't wrap my head around anyone forking out nearly $100k for a 4-door car that can only take you 200 miles before you have to be doing something other than driving or going about your other business. Not-in-a-million-years.
The badge is alluring to many. Modern marketing is all psychology
Man there's a ton of other available products that come with the roundel on them as well as an 'M'@@ADUSN
For $96k does it come with $45k in a bag on the backseat? Only way I could maybe take this seriously.
I’m surprised that so many people are stuck on the price of this car. Literally no one is buying an i5. This car will be leased and had for under 50k for 3 years.
…most likely less than $50K in 2.5 years. Considering you can get previous generation ICE (G30) for around $44K w/ 2 years old vehicles.
Nobody is going to F with this car in 2.5 years unless it is something like $33,999 or less.
I'll trade it for my ipad pro if it comes down low enough 🤣
I got mine with a 15k discount, nobody pays the full MSRP
8:25 Had a rough end of the day at work, but you guys had me laughing and smiling and back to normal within an hour when I saw this! You guys are the best! The combination of objectivity, honesty, intelligence, and weird and zany (dry?) humor is unparalleled.
Of course it is safe. It's always plugged in. I'll take the B58.
That throttle calibration. Wow
That's exactly what you want in Sport Plus mode. BMW giving enthusiasts the immediacy and engagement we've been asking for.
Exactly. Right now! You just aren't supposed to use it to induce vomiting in your passengers. Or evoke memories of a bad night in a Tijuana jail. @@TheUrbanEpicure
Subaru WRX owners: "First time?"
@@Channel-gz9hm Oh, trust me, BMW wouldn't want to pay me, I just called the X7 a fugly tank-SUV under a different comment on this video. And matter of fact, I work at the HQs of one of BMW's main competitors.
But make no mistake: this is a blazingly fast, well-built sedan with M's trademark handling witchcraft, good tech, a beautiful cabin, and range that will be enough for 90% of users. Want more range? Get the 40.
Its digital ,it has 1 and 0
I’m sorry but you have Kia cheap sedans with ventilated seats , Honda Accord with ventilated seats etc things like this at the price range it’s asking is completely unacceptable
The fact that my Hyundai Sonata rental car had adaptive cruise control and lane centering assist standard and this needs a separate package to option it is also embarassing
Test drove it at a launch event. Car smelled like burnt toast when we pulled back into dealership
Now you just need a traffic jam and you got breakfast hahahahahahahahahha
@@Tool0GT92😂😂😂
That electric motor smell, like scalextrics track cars that lots people had as a kids.
@@kevincockburn7805 Exactly!!
The price gave you a stroke...
Gorgeous Hyundai
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That was one of the most "diplomatic" conclusions I've ever seen
Understatement. The BMW rep was staring from directly across the camera.
Agreed. This is an incredibly charitable review.
96k....holy shit. You can pretty much get an X7 for that price.
Easily
Will that do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds? What an idiotic comparison.
@@TheUrbanEpicureIf you want to have fast 0-60, just get the Plaid for $90k. 😂
@@F_JoeBiden-tu6cl No, I want a nice sedan with good build quality that's damn fast and not made by a company owned by an absolute f*cktard.
Who cares about 0-60 for a stupid sedan rofl. If I cared about fast dad mobile, the CT5V-Blackwing is a much better choice at a cheaper price. Or I'll just spend a little extra and get a REAL performance sedan like an RS6, M5 or E63S. I'm not spending that on a soulless turd that will depreciate like a brick.
As a fellow BMW owner, I will not be getting another one. The only cars that look half decent anymore are the 3 series, X3, X5, and 8 series. I’ll be sticking to Porsche and Audi from now on
these will not age as well as the Bangle designs from the mid 00s... these make those look pretty damn good, lolol..
The E60s already looks so much better than these to me it was just thicc for the time. Now everything else is even more gigantic so it looks good on the road.
E60s aren't really that big. At least compared to modern cars. I should know, I own one.
@@macrc2129 E60 is the size of hte current 3 series.. get the oldies while you can.. once EVs become the only new cars you can get, everything we car enthusiasts love will go up in price.. the more sought after, the bigger the price jump.. I've got 2 so far (Fiesta ST and ND1 Miata) and looking to add more over the next 5-10 years. (keeping my limit at $15k per vehicle, lol)
@@dre32pitt Nice, Fiesta ST is one helluva car. I got this 06 550i with less than 80k miles on it. NA V8 is what it's all about.
@@macrc2129 Right on man. Older cars are where its at. That's a nice one. Pretty rare too. If I had the room, there was an 08 545i manual for sale near me for $10k.. Just dont have the space right now lol..
Got to drive it hard at the ultimate driving experience over the weekend. They had that and the 540i, personally I would go for the 540i everyday.
i5 eDrive40 owner here.. Even I had a good laugh on this take.
This thing has me pausing on the new M5. Isn’t that supposed to be a hybrid of some sort? With the lack of steering feel, bad braking and throttle calibration, how can you not be worried that the new M5 won’t inherit some of these bad qualities? Will the new M5 go the way of the C63?
Have you owned both M lite and full M models of the same generation? I can tell you steering feel is much better in the full M car in sports mode. The comfort mode is about the same but what these guys fail to understand is that when you’re high speed cruising on a highway lots of steering “feel” requires more attention and that’s not necessarily good. Last time I checked, bmw doesn’t just sell cars to trackies.
New M5 is going to be 5,300lbs. This new overly complex trend of luxury cars has turned them into boats.
@@MrSchn3ll Jeez the old M5 CS was 4100
Basically a XM
Drivetrain wise but won't be as porky. (fingers crossed)🐷 @@whosdondada
It’s an expensive grocery getter or city commuter. Don’t try frequent road trips. I have the i4 and charging while doing a long distance drive is a pain.
Why? Because of the car or the infrastructure?
"Take me to the future, Chao Feng"
My dudes: just drove the i5 M60 at Laurel Westmont. No issues with the throttle. The thing drives like a cruise missile: it’s fast and heavy, yes.. but it feels like you can run through an F250. For the record, I hate the panno screen dash and front overhang. But this thing drives like a dream. If you’re willing to sacrifice some range and convenience for insane performance, not sure there is a better car right now for the traffic light Grand Prix.
I do not understand BMWs obsession with not having cooled seats as a stand alone option or no option. To get those on i4, you have to get a $2000+ seat package... bet it is the same with i5. Looks like that they used the same battery pack capacity as i4.
It's cold in Europe
@@derekisthematrixgot a lot colder when they couldn't get that Russian gas huh
I’ve owned seven 5ers over the years. I grew tired of all the weight. My wife has a X3 so we use that for trips. Bought a 2023 230i coupe. Never been happier.
First real, honest review of the i5 M60 I've seen.
The recent changes to the BMW 5 series are disheartening, as they have departed from the classic driving experience traditionally associated with the brand and seem to be excessively priced.
They just morphed into Audi, abandoning dynamics for shallow luxury and technology. The 3 major German brands used to have distinct identities, but at some point BMW went off the rails
I like the way there's sun glare on all the screens, no matter what angle you're filming from. Progress is great.
Style looks a bit Alfa Romeo from the rear. As a 1997 Camry paid homage to the 1992 Alfa 164.
The 164 is a much cleaner design by Fioravanti
I’d take the Camry.
IMO this car is a return to form for BMW in chassis tuning. It offers an amazing ride-handling balance reminiscent of older E chassis era. It doesnt fall for the trap of "sporty = stiff" that's plagued BMW for the past decade.
8:13 poor Mark 😂
Love this car, bought an i5 M60 in Brooklyn Grey.
I can't wait for next year's model when they put a Nespresso where the glovebox used to be.
6:13 wait it suddenly had red calipers in this one shot. Lmao
That's an option in the screen menus...
And you do NOT want to know how much that color shifting paint on the calipers costs. Aye yi yi! 💰💰💸Seriously, I think SG slips in some stock footage here and there. Others were commenting on some changing trim.
I remember when the 60 badge meant a V12. Sad.
I just took delivery of a CPO Polestar 2 with 12K miles on the clock. Dual-motor, AWD, 4.5s 0-60, between 220-240mi range, all for $36K. It’s no E36 330i, but I think the interior and chassis is far ahead of the Model 3, and the price cannot be beat in an era where it costs $60K just to get something fully equipped. You guys should check the P2 out.
Lucid Air Pure RWD is available for $69, 900 now. 0-60 in 4.5, 410 miles of range, 200 mile range added in 17 minutes. Just sayin......
A wonderful vehicle for people with degrees they won’t pay for buying cars they also can’t afford.
8:45 the man summarizes our pang and pain with ev's perfectly
After 7k miles on my M60 I'd have to agree with you on the lack of steering and brake feel. That said, I think the pedal responses of both the accelerator and brake are very linear and predictable (I switched regen braking to minimum, such that pedal feels more like ICE cars). Another feedback I have is about real world range: as a fairly aggressive driver I get ~270mi for commuting (combination of highway 80mph, hilly roads, and city roads), and on a road trip I can get 300mi doing 75mph. EPA rates it at around 250mi and I thought it was an overly conservative number.
Just look at the sales number of their EVs compared to ICE and you can clearly see: the customers do not want that shit at that price!
can the throttle calibration test be a permanent part of the driving impressions segment please?.
So basically BMW's version of an Audi E-Tron. Cant wait to see these for 50% of their sticker price in a year and a half. If you listen carefully, You can actually hear it depreciating
Harman very much still involved in implementing Bowers systems, they own the Bowers license for car audio. It looks fantastic, hope to hear it someday.
Funny posts in BMW forums with B&W owners confused on why they have Harman amps, etc.
Near $100k and only having a real world range of low 200 miles is ridiculous. And yes, I will continue to write and say this until it changes.
the front end is ugyl af. I just can't stand it. It looks ugly now. It will look ugly 20 years from now. Its just hard for me to picture this ugly duckling not ageing gracefully even if it drives like a BMW.
Yes range is not xompetitive, but not all buyers care. Most buyers have 1 - 2 more ICE cars in their household, and goal is just to be a city car where range is a non-issue.
When is the comparison release?
Can you guys test this car again once BMW releases a Service Pack to address all of your driving feedback?
"Honey, the kids are sleeping in the back". "Let's wake them up". play w the gas pedal. LoL
This is a fun video ...😀
Im so excited for the NSX video!
Finally, some real f***ing food.
Eye watering
8:16 caught me so off guard I haven't laughed in a while
how does it compare with the model s in terms of nvh and driving dynamics ?
Need a versa wagon
Car is not for me but thank you for covering it.
[A]: "Wow! Look over there! Was that the latest Bimmer?" [B]: "Where?" [A] "That thing over there that Mark and Jack just trashed."
More seriously, thank you for this review. BMW's engineers really needed to hear what you had so say.
All in all, we're a long way from the "driver's machines" of yore.
please continue to make the art voiceover a recurring bit for wrapping up every bmw driving segment
The throttle response part is gold 😂😂😂
I had a 2017 5 series and I really liked the looks. This new generation is a little harder. I think it looks great in dark colors and the m sport package with shadowline package to hide all the chrome. Thats when it looks good. Plus some different wheels. I priced out a 540i came to almost $76k. I think this would be a nice used car in like 2-3 years once it hits like $52k-$54k.
I have 7 series 2017 and seeing all this new cars i thing i will keep it at least 15 years more even it cost to stay on the road .Every new car i see is not upgrade but serious downgrade.Dont know why you sell your car
My used i3 REx may look goofy, but I won't consider another EV unless it also has an ICE Range Extender.
The little 2 cylinder engine has prevented numerous ruined road trips the past 4 years.
Nothing beats refueling stops that last 2 minutes. 102k miles with zero problems.
No problem road tripping with the supercharger network
@@doomsday9973 Tesla's network is the best, but still, 2 minute refuelling beats 30 minutes.
I'm glad others have so much free time.
@@donswier 2 minutes refueling a tiny 2 gallon tank that only delivers partial power if the battery is empty for a car not designed to road trip and has a dismal EV range. No thanks. I’ll stick to modern long range EVs that require no gas and can go 100s of miles on a charge. i3 is old tech. And god help you when that scooter motor goes
@@doomsday9973
I'll make sure as we're speeding past to wave hello to you waiting again at the charging station 😉
@@donswier lol you keep telling yourself that. Enjoy finding tires for that thing
It's good to know they haven't fixed the bizarre throttle calibration since the i4. I recently traded my Genesis GV60 for an i4 eDrive 40, and the throttle response is day and night different. The Genesis in sport mode felt like a strong shove to my back. In the i4, it feels like a punch to my back.
14:00 reminds me of a roller coaster ride, like space mountain...
I look forward to the day where you make a video regarding the discontinuation of many European brands in the US because of the EV legislated push. Many Americans do not want EV's and do not have places/time to charge them. So lack of sales will make them go bust.
My thoughts exactly. Everyone is lamenting the end of ICE vehicles and V8s while not understanding that if people keep buying them (which they are en masse) then manufactures will keep selling them and if they don't then other companies will come in and fill the void.
It’s mostly that existing manufacturers EV options have been crap
Never forget that the best selling car in the world last year was the Model Y
To be fair, nobody wants a $60,000 base model F150 either.
It's not that people in the US don't want EVs, it's that the EVs being sold are not the ones people want. The mainstream automakers first go at making EVs were all a mess of compromises and bad choices by CEOs that don't understand the auto market anymore, whether they are building EVs or ICEs.
Tesla selling hundreds of thousands of cars per quarter in the US shows that there is indeed a big market for EVs here. People are just waiting for Ford and GM to actually pull their heads out of their asses and make one worth buying for a price they can afford.
230 miles of range and 1230 monthly payment 😂
Man! That looks like the drive experience of a quad-turbo horse buggy. One of the few cars that truely needs that Oh/Sh*t handle bar.
When is the nsx video coming out?
"All those cells discharging like sailors on shore leave."
Weren't you put off by the hard, angled upwards, plastic part at the end of the armrest? During a test drive my elbow was literally touching that thing all the time, developing a very uncomfortable feeling. It also feels extremely cheap (which I bet it is). Main reason why I decided to go against the new 5-series (even though I was looking at a Hybrid rather than the pure electric one).
6:06 idk why but the I5 on the lift while plugged in made me chuckle
what is "ride frequency" and why is it trying to "stimulate" a differential?
I kinda like the idea of the throttle not smoothing your input, like an actual character trait instead of being rounded off NPCmobile
Are you planning to review a Rivian anytime soon?
Link to audio chart? Hard to zoom the video to read.
Can we clarify the 400v thing?
1. 400V does NOT mean it is any less efficient
2. For smaller battery packs, 400v not necessarily a meaningful detriment to charging ex: Tesla Model 3,Y,S,X are all 400v.
The key is the charging curve and availability of charging.
3. 800v doesn't save any weigh and doesn't reduce heat
4. An advantage of 400V right now is that superchargers can only go up to 500v, so high voltage class cars will need to convert and will generally charge more slowly on the largest, most reliable network in the US.
It gets even more ridiculous in Europe, where for the i5M60 you have to pay roughly the equivalent of $120k for the car and as combustion engines go, there will be no option to buy a straight six petrol B58, other than a plug-in hybrid version thereof, for a low low price of just $95k. :) THE FUTURE IS NOW, OLD MAN.
I miss driving this car
How many horsepower’s do you get from the red strip on the steering wheel?
More than you can afford pal
It's subscription based, are you paid up?
some footage recycling is happening here, why it has some blue calipers in a red caliper car?