iDrinkCoffee.com Review - Bezzera Duo DE Dual Boiler Espresso Machine
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Presenting the Bezzera Duo DE Volumetric Espresso machine. We go over the features of this machine, the menu settings, we show how to program the doses and then make a few drinks including a double shot of espresso, two cappuccinos and a cafe misto. Get the Duo here: idrinkcoffee.com/products/bez...
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A lot of information, great review! I own Simonelli Oscar 2 but i'm thinking about to upgrade to Bezzera.
Great video fun and informative, a beautiful espresso machine, superbly done
Got mine today can’t wait to use tomorrow morning 😅❤❤❤❤
Nice review. Can the steaming power go to 2 bars? If not, what's the consistent max?
will the amount of espresso(ml) be the same if you change the degree of grinding ? or do i have to program the button new for a 30ml espresso?
Great video, l like the machine very much.
Hi. Nice review. Can I put flow control kit into this coffee machine? If yes what would be your choice ECM Symnchronika or this Bezzera or...Rocket R58 Cinquantotto?
How many grams do you use for the double filter basket?
Instead of wood handles, can you get it in black? And it's too bad that you can't have the machine give you a 12second pre-infusion.
How dependable is the volumetric control on this machine? Can I expect consistent shots using the same beans and grind settings over weeks, or is there significant variation?
Hi, when you use the volumetric does it give the same amount of coffee in the same amount of time? every time?
No pressure sensor at the group head?
Nice video, i wonder about reliability of a machine with touch screen at this price point. Would you suggest this Bezzera over quick mill Vetrano 2b evo, Profitec Pro 700, ecm synchronica or rocket R58? I really like the option of a shot timer which rocket R58 need a PID with a wire...not sure about that... also the knob of bezzera and ecm are really nice feature... but i heard Profitec Pro 700 is the most reliable...What would be your pick?
I would not be concerned about the touch screen. This technology has existed for a long time and it is proven, just look at your smart phone, touch screens are everywhere. Bezzera is also the most experienced manufacturer of espresso machines so they know how to build them really well. Its really hard to choose. All of the machines that you mentioned are really nice. With the r58 you do have an external pid which improves the aesthetics in my opinion but you don't have that convenience of the shot timer clearly visible. It is the same with the joystick style steam wands, they are convenient but not everyone loves the way they look. All of the machines are solid and from reputable manufacturers so I suggest going with your gut. You really cannot make a bad choice from that lineup
Thanks for the video! Would you recommend this espresso machine for a small coffee shop up to 60-100 hot drinks a day (tea, coffee)? What do you think of the Bezzera BZ13 DE, would it be a good choice too for commercial use?
The BZ13 is NSF certified which is good for light duty commercial use. Not sure if 60-100 drinks per day would exceed what's recommended for it. Haven't seen anything suggesting the Duo has NSF certification, I just know that Whole Latte Love sells both and lists it in specs only for BZ13.
Hi, Slawek, thank you for the review. "Pozdrawiam", if you understand what I mean.
Hi thanks for your great videos! .. which one gives a better Espresso the BZ grouphead or E61like bezzera mn for example؟
It is very difficult to say better or worse. They are different ways of achieving the same goal, great espresso. The other variables have a greater impact. Things like your grind quality, the freshness of your coffee and your distribution and tamping. You can get an amazing shot out of either group
Is the volumetric dosing integrated as such that it maintains the programmed volume even when changing the grind recipe? (which inevitably would change the flow rate and with bad implemented sensor also the output). It is my impression that another machine (BZ07 DE) is not build with that in mind. When I change the grind setting I get a different volume output.
To find that out measure the volume output with no coffee in the basket and another time with coffee.
The volume remains the same regardless of your grind. However for example if you change your dose this may result in a different volume of brewed coffee. If you increase the amount of coffee or make your grind finer then a larger amount of water is absorbed in the puck. There is no machine that can compensate for this. Anytime you change your coffee we recommend resetting your volumetric doses for the best and most consistent results.
when i make the espresso it doesn’t show the time it’s taking to make it, only the temp is seen on the display help???
Hi thank you for your video can you explainn me please , how to adjust the flow meter , I just bought the de machine but it doesn’t seem to be right mount of water between shot the mount of the douse change all the time even with empty head
thank you
Hi, the flow meter is not an adjustable part. If the machine is new I would take it back to the dealer to check it, if it is not you may have some scale buildup, scale can cause flow meters to malfunction
Can this machine handle a small bakery cafe? How many lattes can you dish out continously? I do like these it is volumetric.
Hi, the Duo would be suitable for up to about 40 to 50 cups per day. It's a single group machine so it can only do a double shot at a time. It depends on how you make your lattes but if you split the shot you could do two but many people put a double shot into a latte so it would be one.
Hey man, how do I get the water being pulled through my shots to pull through slower...?
How to get your espresso to flow slower? Grind finer, and/or add more coffee to your basket.
What would you recommend, this machine or ECM Technika?
The Duo is a dual boiler machine whereas the Technika is a heat exchanger. If you are looking for precise temperature control then a dual boiler would serve you better.
thanks for your great video. well how much is heat up time ?
i can’t see the time it takes to make an espresso anymore, it only shows the temperature
can you help??
Do you get a nice Coffee Puk with the Bezzera Group?
Hello, yes the machine has a three way solenoid valve so it gives you a nice dry puck
Please do review on BEZZERA MAGICA PID
Hi, we do not carry this product at this time. So I don't have one to review. Sorry
Hi Slavik, thank you for the excellent review! You highlight some aspects others don't. I can't decide between the MN or this DE version. I really want the DE version because of the programmability. Would make usage easier for my wife etc. But I'm unsure because of the group. The MN group being the "old school" workhorse and more mechanical making it potentially less vulnerable. At least this is what is assumed in quite a few forums. Also the programming unit of the DE being a further electrical unit/circuit. Again forums assume a further vulnerability. These statements in the coffee forums are mostly assumptions from none owners. The standard thought is that the more electronics the more vulnerable. So my questions:
1. Do you think the BZ group is more vulnerable? You mention it's less maintenance/more reliable because no valves etc. (I guess in comparison to E61?)
2. Do you see the more electronical units on the DE as susceptible to easier failure?
3. What a few owners have claimed is that steam and moisture collects inside or at/around the screens. The threads I read are a few years old. There is supposed to be an update with better sealing of the around the display... Is this correct. One owner mentioned he installed a vent /anti vac to the tray so the maschine wouldn't vent internally. But I would not want to have to make modifications. Your thoughts? Sorry for the really long text and all the questions. It's just a chunk of money and I really like the machine. Would be a waist if the statements in the forum are somewhat true and the longevity of the device is non existing. Thank you big time in advance!!! 🙏🏽
omg you literall asked every question that is turning into my head. l am between rocket mozzefiato and bezzera mn and also quickmill emilia despite that l am more on the side of bezzera that screen is making me afraid of it is being more vulnerable(l totally ignored bezzera de because more electronical it is) what have you done? did you buy one?
@@ED-sg2zg haha.. Funny.. Same thoughts. I bought the Bezzera DE version. Really happy with it. I read up a little more. And you can switch out the group as one part if there are issues. The E61 is a crap load of parts which means it is cheaper to repair but more cumbersome. The BZ group is one part and more expensive but it's like changing a car battery if you need to replace it. Enjoy!
@@jaypee1608 omg you couldn't resist and l totally understand you coz it looks amazing! thank you for all information.l wish best coffee and joy to you:)
@@jaypee1608just bought the de.. how do you like it.. also I'm about to start using it.. any advice? TX
@@execatty Hi, I had it for a few year's now. 2 of my friends bought the same DE version with me after all my thorough research 😂. We all happy. Super convenient with the programming. Looks extremely nice if you are into a mix of modern and classic design. The lighting is a "highlight" too. I had the usual small issues that the pure mechanical devices have too... decalcification (Which is nice since it has an integrated digital shot counter that reminds you!) and sealing ring etc. So no major issues or regrets, no internal steam or anything. Being Italian build it has it's edges and differences between the 3 bought devices 😜 but all in all very nice
How is the bz group (de version) compared to the E61 group (mn version) in terms of thermostability ?Is it more temperature precise ,does it give more or less clarity to the taste of the espresso?
A bit late to reply to your old comment but technically the BZ group SHOULD be more stable (and quicker to heat up) vs the E61 group. E61 dual boiler groups use 2 PIDS (one in each boiler) so it takes the boiler temperature and estimates the temperature at the group, this has 3 PIDS, an EXTRA PID in the group, as well as a heater in it, so it can detect and correct temperature at the brew group! Smart design.
I think flavour clarity is more to do with your grinder, and also how you pull the shot.
The E61 has a benefit of having the ability to add flow control to it (which isn't so intuitive or fun to use, but once you get used to it, it's good to have), this has volumetric dosing, which may not always work repeat-ably (so I've read, but it may also due to varying in your coffee prep and grind size etc), it would be nice if it can be trusted, and you can brew and steam at the same time without having to watch the shot brew.
whats the difference between a double short and double long ?
It's just the volume of water. Long and short espresso are not used that often in North America anymore but in some parts of the world they are still common. You can program these buttons to whatever volume to like though
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Yeah but what is the difference ?
Could it serve a small shop? Thanks
This machine is designed for domestic use but if you are making a small amount of coffee (under 30 cups for example) it could work.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada thanks
When it's starting first time at a day , takes how many minutes to be ready?
25-30 minutes
Why no pressure gauge ?
Why did they cheap out and used cooper boilers instead of stainless steel :'(
The pressure guages are digital on the duo and they are displayed on the screen. With regards to the copper vs steel debate. This is something that would require a lengthy response. Copper is not cheaper or inferior to steel. It actually has many positive properties especially when it comes to conducting heat. It's easier to get a machine temperature stable using a copper boiler than a steel boiler.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada True... But prone to scale way more than Stainless steel.
@@NANA-gy7yx yes that's true but we always recommend using softener, either in line or in tank. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Copper is more susceptible to scale but steel is susceptible to chlorides which are becoming a world wide problem. With steel you have to pay very close attention to water pH or risk pitting/corrosion. This is a major problem in many areas and I have seen steel boilers in commercial machines crack in less than 2 years
Noticed water dripping out of the portafilter during your entire demo of the menus. Makes me wonder if this is typical or a problematic unit?
@@robertmariani that's just residual water that may have been left over from the previous use. When the pump isn't active no water comes from the group.
Does the display show the pressure, produced by the pump, or the pressure, actually built in the group head? I.e. where exactly is the pressure measured? I can suppose, that in the group head, since the pressure is building up relatively slowly, and then dances up and down, while the rotary pump is supposed to produce the asked pressure value immediately (that's what I have read) and steadily (without those up-and-downs). That's only my theory, but what is in the reality?
On all of these types of machines the pressure displayed is pump pressure. You would have to add an additional manometer at the group to get the extraction pressure
Machines like the Lelit Bianca or machines fitted with the ECM/Profitec flow control device have this feature. They have a third gauge. One for pump pressure one for boiler pressure and one for extraction
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Thanks! Can you install that additional manometer? What is the total cost (including work)?
@@MichaelZuskin unfortunately this is not something that we do as it would require modifying the body of the machine.
@@MichaelZuskin To add to the prior response, the Duo DE does not use the traditional E61 group with the screw at the top, which is why can't use one of those flow control kits with it. The Duo MN and Matrix, OTOH do use the normal E61 group so you should be able to add flow control if you wish, even if the company you buy machine from won't do it.
Too bad, that this Bezzera uses Copper instead of stainless steal for drinking water safety like ECM does. I would buy the Bezzera immediately otherwise - or the Synchronica immediately if it would have the fantastic shot-control and touch pad...too bad, keep searching
I'm sorry, I can't take seriously a review of someone who says: "froth my milk" or claims that a "cafe misto" is an espresso and steamed milk. LOL. What a joke.
what is a cafe misto?