Panavia Tornado: Common Cause
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Building your own warplanes was always prohibitively expensive, but it became even more difficult after WW2, with Europe being in a state of economic decline. Even though Italy, France and the UK were still capable of designing new vehicles on their own, creating a new, truly modern strike aircraft definitely required a joint effort across the continent. That’s the story of the Panavia Tornado multirole combat aircraft, developed by combined efforts of France, Germany and a number of other countries.
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Dear players, we made an oopsie during writing of this video. France was never involved into Tornado production. Sorry for that.
yeah that's what i tought
The confusion might be coming from the previous failed project involving france and great britain for a variable geometry plane
Just to let you know, Al thought you probably have already seen it but BP is ass
England, Germany and Italy.
Please fix the anti ship missile of the tornado IDS Marineflieger. It could lock ground targets as well.
Yuri's verdict on the tornado: please fix the plane but even when nerfed solid 7/10 dismembered body parts
Some of the best european aircraft manufacturers coming to together to produce the saddest aircraft war thunder has ever seen 🗣🗣🔥
Gaijin messing up the performance of an aircraft as per usual
Funny cos Canberra and Bucc
@@dukeoftoast2420Who would’ve guessed that trying to use a strike aircraft as an fighter doesn’t work
Yea no wonder they're all buying f35 now 😆
@@BoleDaPoleI’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact said nations helped to create the f35
In game, what we have laballed as a GR.1 is actually part-GR.4, the GR.1 never carried the targetting pods, hence why IRL in Operation: Desert Storm, the Tornado (Despite being the most modern aircraft of the war, initially had to have Buccaneers doing the targetting for them they carried the ordiance until later, where the GR.4 could do the whole job itself..
GR.1 did carry the TIALD during Operation Granby.
You're missing an end parenthese bracket.
key word being initially. Fairly sure the GR1 could carry the TILAD pod before the conflict was resolved or at least by the 2nd gulf war
No, the Buccaneers designated for the Jags, not the Tonkas. The Gr.1 in game is more a Gr.1B without Sea Eagle
The modification on the Gr.1 for the TALID pod is called the "Gr.1B" as in the upgraded variant of the Tornado Gr.1 that received self lazing capabilities
i really love the looks of the Tornado, however it underperforms in war thunder and germany is missing the IDS ASSTA 3
i would assume that the ASSTA 3 gets added later on
@@headshothunt3r414 Yeah, alongside the A200C and Gr4. But unlike those, the ASSTA 3 doesnt really add that much.
Yeah..... Gaijin artificially nerfs them like mad. Im not sure why they hate them so much
I feel like a Tornado with it's wings and flaps fully extended would turn faster than a loaded heavy bomber but maybe I'm just wrong
@@MorvranLive simple where do Gaijin originate from and where does the CEO and some of the higher staff comes from ??? answer begins with R ends with A so if you play ground you see that compared to reality certain t-64 t-72, T-80 and t-90 seem to be a lot more op than western tanks
My Uncle was a retired engineer from boeing and did some of the wing design on the Tornado.. let me elucidate a bit.. he retired from boeing when boeing still made flightworthy aircraft with qualified staff
2:52 - “The aircraft was astonishingly agile at low altitudes ”.
Funny joke gaijin. Very funny.
Yeah i dont know how they said that
It was and it wasnt..... Obviously any weapon loads will impact it greatly, but compared to those that came before it like the Jaguar, its a decently "Agile" aircraft considering its weapons loadout potential and all the kit it carried. Dont take Gaijins modeling of it as accurate. Its not. Its underperforming a LOT in game
i came to the comments to say the exact same thing lool
Reality and game are 2 different pair of shoes
@@MorvranLivethe adv tornado handles like a dream
Just a reminder that the Tornado IDS WTD 61 was a literal testbed for armament on the Tornado and Gaijin fucked it up by only giving it access to 1000 pound bombs
France had literally nothing to do with the Panavia Tornado
Yes warthunder made a correction comment
The only close thing is the variable sept wing tested on the mirage IIIG and that it.
France was busy developing the Mirage 2000 at this time
my favorite Tornado is the Tornado ECR to combat the super overpowered Pantsir AA systems
In 2004 at Al Udied AFB in Qatar I watched the British launch 24 fully loaded Tornados into a combat formation and fly off to Iraq. At that point I had never seen such a large aircraft combat formation. It was the most awesome military experience I had seen.
please fix the flight model, it's much more sluggish and heavy than it's supposed to be.
The Tornado F.3 is just one of the best aircraft, those SkyFlash radar Missiles are basically top tier missiles
Is the basement guy alive please tell me
Gaijin you must answer for what you've done to basement guy.
To everyone that’s going to ask a question about the game:
Gaijin no longer cares about players opinions, and would rather let the game rot than fix it so it can be balanced again.
It would be a nice thing to lower the Tornado IDS’s BR to at least 11.0
when is the Kormoran missile going to get fixed? tried it the other day and it still misses any ship larger than a pickle
If you use it in various ways you will have more sucess
@@quarreneverett4767 i've tried it a good few ways, the missile hits maybe once every blue moon and certainly doesn't work as it is supposed to
@@stein_the_lynx3284 i have alot of footage if me messing with it. Being in sim. Your aoa and altitude are factors. Remember its not a harpoon. The trajectory is a bit more direct. Distance is a factor as well
@@quarreneverett4767 I've tried a ton of different angles, long ranges, close ranges, and mid ranges, the only time I can get a hit is if I'm coming down at a basically 90 degree angle which is not how they're meant to be used, and even then it's a 50/50 especially when used on enemy carriera
@@stein_the_lynx3284 i have used them in simulator and realistic battle settings once you get a feel for them yoh will improve. I can help give you environments to practice and improve.
When can we expect to see the Sky Shadow ECM pod for the Tornado? This plane is a flying brick and cant ever hope to defend itself. While the updated BOL pods with the chaff is nice, they hardly ever actually work against aircraft, especially F-14s
ECM exists on the Su-39 as an IRCM, so jamming missiles is already a design concept that we are seeing in-game, and the Tornado wouldn't be an unreasonable plane to add it to
Tornado IRL: A very good plane. Tornado in War Thunder: A joke with wings and engines that slurp fuel faster than BadlandsChugs
I’m a big fan of the panavia tornado especially the one in the main hangar of Duxford air museum the GR1B ‘ZA465-FF’ (foxy killer)
"Developed through the combined efforts of France, Germany *And a Number of other Countries* " Lmao they literally left out the major developer of the Tornado (UK)
Gaijin just heavily dislikes the british, so they discredit and ruin them where possible
Literally bro like i swear to god they have an agenda against britain at this point.
Russian company, with a strong russian tech tree the entire games lifespan, cases of russian vehicles being overperforming, and what european country does russia hate the most? Britain. What TT is the most heavily shafted through BR, Vehicle Performance Modelling and Weaponry Given in WT? Britain.
Then this? Literally omitting the biggest designer/developer of the best european strike aircraft of the cold war to "a multitude of other nations"
Call me schizo but like dawg, it lines up. I'm NOT saying "oh for sure they do" but it's so likely, that its basically "at this point we might as well say they do".
You know what else was a joint production? The eurofighter. add it
The worst radar they can give it is an AESA radar, and the most recent radars we have right now is PESA. Even then its on a SAM, the Pantsir
Typhoon*
I really like the Tornado ADV. I am not a great player but in last Air RB game I had 6 kills with that plane and I stayed alive.
This isn’t modeled properly. Anyway here’s the for sure declassified documents for the t 90m.
Not again 😅
the early variant of the tornado F3 has to be my fav, i get 2 kills a match 99% of the time and as times have gotten 4-5
His anti-ship missile is bugged(useless) as intended.
Try oractice using it differently. Works for me
@War Thunder. Official channel.
Put naval targets in air battles! So I can use the kormoran on my Tornado!
Shame the devs hate the tornado so much, it was a beautifull and perfectly effective aircraft in reality, not sure what when wrong ingame.
When can we expect more long-range air defense systems?
Please add the Heli to the air sim
Man, wish the premium tornado was 11.0 OOOOOR had more bases that it didn’t have to worry about reaching before other players.
Tornado F.3 is the best version of the aircraft I SWEAR
Please give the Tornado GR1 and IDS their distinctive and respective MW1 and JP-233 anti runway munitions!
is this a sign that we will get the tornado as the nukeplane at toptier
cluster bombs for tornado when
Just a shame Gaijin artificially nerfs the Tornado to a massive degree. The amount of unfinished parts is insane. Even the Flight Model is still placeholder and underperforming significantly. Then nerfed and missing BOL, Missing Phimat Pods, dozens of missing loadout options. No ECM. Heck, The ADVs still have placeholder HUDs and they couldnt even be bothered to add the new big fuel tanks to anything other than the F3 Late, even though they all used them, Gr1s used them more than anything else during the Gulf War.
One of these days. I hope we actually get the early Tornados, not too mention later ones like the Tornado Gr4 with 18 Brimstones and 2x ASRAAM
No
Will it include the special British anti-runway weapons? 😮
Is nobody gona talk abt them crashing a tornado in the vid?
Awesome. Love this plane. ❤🔥
warthunder, quick question why does the f-16am tws radar show tracked targets in ud but other f16s like the c variant or other modern fighters like the su 27sm have such feature
Fix the anti ship missile ! ! !
Works for me try a different way
@@quarreneverett4767 I have had IDS since the event, it never worked. The missiles pass above the ship and always hit the ocean behind.
@@VACAVIM i can help ya tinker with it. I foubd a few ways it works, after i understood its not like a harpoon or abything. Its designed to at it when close kinda like bullpup kinda stuff. I was able to get hits long range abd close. Altitude and angle of fire also are factors depending . I did in sim and rb
@@VACAVIM i am a little rusty as i been busy these past few months. I have footage of me tinkering i put up for my friends to see of game play of stuff
dynamic weather
I actually spend really money while researching it, never again.
my fav " flying brick "
Gaijin, are you gonna ever fix the SAS damping mode in Sim? The pitch of the jet is uncontrollable and you cannot use trim cuz it's a dampened axis, unlike the Su-25
Calling a (ingame) Brick Agile???
I need some of that stuff that you are taking
further proof that gaijin employees have never played the video game known as war thunder before
Tornado IDS WTD61, Is my favorite
ECR, when? GR4, when? A-200C, when?
Cant speak for the other 2, BUT in game, what we have laballed as a GR.1 os actually part-GR.4, the GR.1 never carried the targetting pods, hence why IRL in Operation: Desert Storm, the Tornado (Despite being the most modern aircraft of the war, initially had to have Buccaneers doing the targetting for them they carried the ordiance until later, where the GR.4 could do the whole job itself..
Still think it’s kind of scummy to not be able to test drive vehicles to see if you want them it’s only for premiums to get you to buy them
There is much more to the story of the Tornados lost in the Gulf War "outside of combat." When the war started, the Allied Forces were justifiably concerned about the Iraqi Air Defense Network. However, as the air war continued, we discovered CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) was a very much greater threat than the combined air defenses of Iraq. General Horner ordered all aircraft to start fighting from much higher altitudes but the British refused to comply and continued to lose good crews to dirt. Allied forces lost far more of every aircraft against dirt than everything the Iraqis could throw at them. This isn't meant to disparage the Iraqis but to highlight the necessary priority in ALL phases of flight: 1) Aviate, 2) Navigate, 3) Communicate and in that order of priority. The pK (probability of Kill) of modern missiles is .1 to .5, the pK of fighters is .2 to .7 but the pK of Ground is 1.
For decades I knew it as Pana - Via, not Pan-Avia.
Will the tornados in game ever get cluster munition access?
common cause 🤝whatever that aircraft can do right aside from CAS
I rly like the thumbnail
Why having Litening II over CLDP makes premium AMX 0.7 higher than the regular one, but at the same time German and Italian regular IDS are at the same br despite exact the same difference?
The premium AMX has the Piranha missile
@@bwlds very useful in GRB I guess
Tornado GR1, BR is too high for its capabilities most notably when compared against the superior German Tornado IDS WTD61 premium
Tornado IDS WTD61 - airRB 11.3 groundRB 10.3
Fully upgraded
Top speed - 2308kph/1434mph
Turn time clean load - 29 seconds
Rate of climb 195m/640ft a second
2 9Ls, 2 27mm cannons Ammo 360,
700+ Countermeasures, Full set of 12 bombs
Tornado GR.1 - airRB 11.7 groundRB 11.3
Fully upgraded
Top speed - 2005kph/1245mph
Turn time clean load - 31 seconds
Rate of climb - 177m/580ft a second
2 9Ls, 2 27mm cannons Ammo 360,
700+ Countermeasures, Full set of 12 bombs or various old guided bombs / 1 paveway 3
How can this be?
Well one is premium and the other is British.
So some guided bombs means that despite the premium having better flight performance with the same offensive weapons as the GR1 you get an additional +0.3 in airRB and +1.0 in groundRB at least the GR1 wins on that stat. 🥴
Don’t even get me started on the jets you have to fight in these slow motion buses 💀
Or you could look into the engines and come to the conclusion the Germans didn’t really cheap out on things regarding the tornado or the engines
@@fegelein2233 You just outed yourself as an idiot, I’m impressed you wrote all that out without grasping the fact it’s a game that has balancing involved.
The German tornado mentioned is a premium, it has the exact same engine as the German tech tree tornado yet produces 490 more kilograms of thrust than it stock while at a lower BR for both air and ground. Aka pay to win and nothing to do with real life decisions. Please know what you’re talking about next time 🥴👍🏻
@@fegelein2233the funny thing is the gr1 we have ingame should get mk103s too, gaijin just gave them.the worst engines because they were getting another tornado in the future, which was the f3. This is the actual genuine reasoning
@@ivancsontos7011 the issue i have is some people think everyones out to get the british, one of the probable causes is britains not exactly known for being able to spend alot military wise look at the QE instead of nuclear they went standard diesel or something.
game is so realistic that 99% of matches was us against us f14 vs f14 takes and hour to reach the battle zone and get ****** by phoniex
" not a priority " yes definitely
Are we going to get the German ECR variant of the Panavia Tornado?
Tornado in WT is realy agile like in real life....It f turn like a bus! lol
Fix this beautiful plane’s flight performance GAIJIN
2:37 "press j to leave aircraft" ahh moment
The way Tornado is modeled in WT it is garbage as toptier CAS. Germany still has no good CAS. F4F ICE at least could be decent AA on 11.7 in Ground RB.
Increase revenue! Since the last new economic policy, Gaijin has been cutting revenue, and this update has further reduced the efficiency of players obtaining research and development. We need higher revenue!
TNX gaijin for AIM 120... Tnx for kill to high tier game play, kill to low-high tier all other planes.. GJ.
How did the Tornado keep its pylons for rockets and bombs forward facing, when wings are swapped?
They were on a hinged bracket of sorts which allowed the pylons to maintain their original orientation when the wing geometry was altered.
April fools idea small tanks that have wings on them and go as fast as a F-16 give the L3 to AA missiles if you do this please
what is the difference between
Tornado IDS MFG and Tornado IDS WTD61???
The WTD61 is missing the Kormoran - so basically, there is no difference :D
Please lower the F-104G’s br, it suffers at 11.0 😭
Plz fix poor ASM modes, flight model and speed of GR1 and add GR4
It's wings really shake like that?
Yugoslavian tech tree when??
France?…. What am I watching, a MegaProjects video or something?
Make the sturmtiger available again(day two hundred seventy nine) MAYBE WITH WORDS YOU WONT DELETE MY COMMENT
Can i ask where did you get that white tiger meet skin for the tornado at 4:30 ?
Gaijin can i have my soul back pls?
Tornado IDS need MW-1 .
Plesae~~
Delete asa from the tech tree or bring it down to 11.7(asa is not good as any of the 12.0, IMAGINE GOING UP)
Why did you nerf the tornado engines/air intake :(
Let´s be real the Torando is not very playable not good in high tier , aim 120 or other active radar just slap you out of the air before you even can try to turn , pantirs , tor, ito´s 90 are like a delete button for the tornado , and it can even drop bombs over mach 1 what´s even made for to fly fast and drop bomb´s , ngl at 10.3 or 10.7 would be way better ther are still spaa that can still destory you but not as fast or instant like in 11.7 (high tier ) , make the german tornado playable again other wise is just a waste of time to grind it , or at least give the premium tornado laser gbu´s so its even worth buying it .
wartunder is trying to get players to play with the tornado 😂
Already do
can you make the Swedish heavy tank Emil 1 & 2
en algun momento agregaran al Panavi Tornado el misil IRIS-T ?
GR.4 with brimstone when?
JP-233 and return of AF destruction win condition when?
Stormshadow ECM pod when?
Skyshadow*
Where is basement guy?
Give Tunguska pls
war thunder how do i get better at your game ive been trying for a long time but i cant get better
Pls add the f22 and b2 spirt
Flight model fix when?
Tornado ids whit the mw1 pod
Dear gaijin please add Iranian sub tech tree in the game ❤
IDS WTD61
why ther's no iraq map for GR RB ?
add player rank above lvl 100 when ?
they nerfed the rockets so more people will buy premiums hence bussiness and most of the dumb players think they did right 1k rp for 1kill with premium vechile and account and 3-4k rp for 1 base people will still rather 1 base and they reset the sim useful action again **** u
Hello gaijin
Make the sturmtiger available again(day two hundred eighty) MAYBE WITH WORDS YOU WONT DELETE MY COMMENT
please put send to holiday back
is this written by ai?
No variant, because most are very nerft
Day 81 of asking gaijin to add the KRV Emil