@@FreebeezHD I literally wanted to make something like this when I was a kid. Money was an issue, but now his video on the 3050 and this PC has me considering everything 😭😭🤣
The M920q in the video is not the final form, Lenovo has a specific top cover if you order the device with GPU, the that top cover have ventilation hole to the fan of Nvidia P1000, you can buy that as the parts number is 02CW661.
Do you know if 180watt version, also come with this huge brick of an power adapter? I'm willing to risk it if lower watt version comes without it. Also - about that cover part for 1l lenovo. It's not the issue for the build presented in this video, to buy this 1l pc already with it, or is it? Does it have any drawbacks if I would do that, maybe it comes with weaker/older cpu only? Or does the only thing is that it could come with gpu I wouldn't need (but most probably it would be dissasembled form the case?)
6:21 Great to see some old hardware getting used, but the T model really keeps this chip from unfolding its strength. Even a R5 5600 with PBO2 & CO gets 5100 points which is almost 2x the performance.
@@abhimaanmayadam5713 Nope. You can even overclock with the AMD Wraith Stealth stock cooler, depending on your RAM frequency. Over 3333MHz the IO die sips more power though and gets hotter.
@@samserious1337 Right, but a Wraith Stealth is a lot taller than the case and im pretty sure that fan can shove way more air than the tiny blower fan in the case. The Wraith Stealth is 55 mm tall (based on some measurements I found online) The MiniPC is 37 mm "tall". In order to get a case that fits, it ceases to be a 1L case. A 5600GE would be a much better bet as it is a 35 Watt TDP. But its Zen 2 instead of Zen 3 and AMD enterprise machines like this arent as common, at least at that price point. The ThinkCentre M75q Tiny from Lenvovo comes with a 5750GE and I think its in the same form factor. But its also twice the price on Ebay, closer to $400 while this MiniPC is like $179.
May I ask of the specs for your build? I'm not really an Intel person I prefer AMD so what you're saying is extremely fascinating to me. Please and thank you have a nice day!
@@jiraiyasinfocard Thanks for asking about my Linux AMD gaming setup. It's an AM5 AMD 7700 CPU, 7900GRE processor, with 64GB RAM because I run virtual machines. It works great in Debian and Arch distributions with full graphics acceleration in Steam. For a SFF build, simply swap in the A2000, which can do 1080p gaming all day.
bro i had my suspicions years ago when I 1st bought my A2000 - this is the exact build I wanted but i gave up when I realized it wouldnt fit. I didn't even know the pcie slot was proprietary so I wouldve run into that problem haha. More cooler mods NEED to be made - this itself is a VERY profitable business if you ask me (given you have the materials)
This is just what I'm looking to build myself, a small 1L with a graphics card. I am looking forward to an emulation video, seeing if it can run OG Xbox, PS2 upscaled, PS3, 360. Thank you
There's already A2000s going for $250-$350 on Marketplace. Not sure if it's a better value than a $420 Ryzen 7840HS mini PC with a RX 6400 grade iGPU (Radeon 780M) though.
Ohh man. Every time i see your videos i want to buy what you are showing. Then comes the next video with an even better item than the last video. This itx is perfect for traveling. Great video 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
37 watts at 80+ FPS on High settings, amazing! game for hours with reasonable electricity bill. Hopefully these GPU's become more affordable and mainstream. Electricity is the key to human salvation, not dinosaur bones and dead trees we grind up and burn.
save some money cut a bigger hole too let a full sized A- 2000 just pop out of top of it is what i would do myself on a budget, makes most sense to me you could just print a higher top case for it also.
This GPU is mainly for very low profile, small form factor PCs, or for extremely efficient PC builds, if that’s not your requirement, there are much better GPUs than A2000 at that price point
Yeah, long gone are the days of "the secret budget king". I got mine for 240USD back in 2021 during inflation, but sold it in a custom office*(gaming) pc build for twice the price and the guy was excited about it. If you were around back then, and willing to pay customs lol, then I wouldve gladly sold it to you for 300....in my currency
Same here… I was lucky to get the a2000 for around EUR 200, but these days are over. Anyhow, if you want to build a „steam machine“ better to go with a low profile 6400
I did something similar a year ago with the same PC but with a LP RX6400 running HoloISO. My builds on the sffpc subreddit if anyone wants to check it out . Nifty little machine plugged into the TV. Cool to see a video of the full process though!
I love it, but the whole set up is a bit rich for my blood. I snagged a HP mini PC with a 10700t and a mobile 1660ti for $350, and its fantastic. I love having it as a living room PC.
This is a pretty cool setup. Wonder if it'll work with the Steam OS or something similar. A small form factor dedicated Steam gaming rig would be sweet.
The lenovo Thinkstation P330 Tiny can also do this. I regularly see them with Pascal Quadros in them being sold on eBay - these come with 9th gen CPUs in them so are slightly more expensive but could probably handle an i9-9900T (there are a few 17-9700T variants floating around). Because of this, the P330 already comes with GPU vents pre-baked into the casing
@@jameskramer3461 It’s a gift for a friend that’s in a touring band and he’s gonna use it with a portable monitor. I also did an M920Q + RX6400 build earlier in the year but that’s not quite as powerful. The 800 G6 is pretty incredible for what it is
I wish more people would benchmark games that the majority of my friends play: Ark Survival Evolved, Empyrion Galactic Survival, and 7 Days to Die. They're old games, but very GPU taxing on little systems. However, when looking at low end gaming systems, my friends have tight budgets.
This PC tooks about 90-100W at gaming. About 80% more than Ryzen Ai 370HX and its about 50% faster than the Ryzen. This is very, very efficient! And I think the GPU is about 350€ + 100€ RAM+SSD and the Lenovo PC for 200€. Its 650€. So its cheaper and faster than a BEllink SER9 for example. Maybe dGpus are not as bad. Imagine this with a RTX 3050 6GB in LP can be very cheap, efficient and fast.
Nvidia has released the RTX 2000 ADA 16GB, which should be a more powerful card, at the same small formfactor, but I haven't really been able to find any benchmarks yet.
I'm running this same Lenovo as my unraid/plex server, I threw a 9900T in it off aliexpress for like $150 it's so small I have it crammed in the corner of a JBOD case full of 8TB HDD's
Great performance with the A2000.. love it.. but is it possible to use an rx6400 or better Radeon GPU on this little machine.. think about to use it with Bazzite
I have the P330 and P350 variants of the Lenovo Tiny PCs and both came with the x16 adapter and ventilation over the GPU air intake. My P330 has the same 8700T, and my P350 has the 11700T. I'm really trying to resist grabbing an A4000 SFF and N3rdware's single slot cooler, but I'm a little worried about the 50 watt limit on the PCIE slot. I suppose I could try undervolting but I got nowhere with that on my little RTX T600, although I'm prettyy sure I undervolted my old A2000.
It is cool as is but if you factor in the extra volume of the PSU is it really worth for anyone to have very specific hardware not meant for that usage when you can get a small form factor case that will accommodate the hardware you want and the one you will want. Who is lacking that much space that they will need to reduce their gaming rig to this size? Gamers on a bicycle, hiker gaming?
Can you test it vs the rtx 3050lp? I think that both are close in performance. Of course single slot is the advantage here. Also, how much performance did you lost on the default speed settings?
Considering the price difference isn't too great these days, why not put that a2000 in an m90q gen 3? I'd imagine even the i5 version would give better performance than this older Thinkcentre Tiny, with the jump from pcie gen 3 and 4 and all.
Hrm.......overclocked Radeon 890M is already almost as fast as this tho. 🤔 And upcoming Strix Halo Lite APUs with 234-267 GB/s of LPDDR5X @ 256-bit are gonna match the RTX 2000 Ada.
This particular model of Lenovo mini PC is getting really hard to find on eBay and are expensive. I guess the word is out and a lot of people are doing this mod.
Hello eta, can you try with acer veriton n4660g next? It got interesting expansion setup and full size pcie slot. Please also try to find the complete 3l version because you can't buy individual expansion.
I keep saying this to where one might call it spam, but THAT is the missing segment for GPUs. It's sad how long it took for a decent GPU to arrive in LP (GB 4060 LP) and even that isn't perfect with it's extended lenght. Shame that we have to spend so much damn money, to buy a prosumer card like a A2000 or A4000 SFF Ada and then spend another huni for a LP single slot modded cooler to get the single slot... I hope dearly that AMD leaving the high end means we will see more LP cards, maybe with a premium cooler assembly instead of the embarassing nvidia A2000 aluminium solution.
Do you know if 180watt version, also come with this huge brick of an power adapter? I'm willing to risk it if lower watt version comes without it What other 1l cases, would be possible to use in a build like this? Only these lenovos because of theirs riser adapter?
??Do the newer Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny's have a PCI slot?? I'd like to build an ultra Small Form Factor my SolidWorks CAD workstation but with something like a 12th gen Intel I7. 🤔🤔
man i used to dream of things like this when i was a kid
Interesting 🤔
My dreams involved me dying in car crashes and the world ending in permanent 🌪️🌪️🌪️
@@markdove5930 you ok?
@@FreebeezHD I literally wanted to make something like this when I was a kid. Money was an issue, but now his video on the 3050 and this PC has me considering everything 😭😭🤣
PS2 Slim: Am I a joke to you?
@@markdove5930 me too
Needs a clear shell to see the beauty of TINY POWER!
Clear shell would make this look awesome
and the dust that will acumulate, fast, thanks to the two fans
It also needs an AC unit to keep it cool.
The M920q in the video is not the final form, Lenovo has a specific top cover if you order the device with GPU, the that top cover have ventilation hole to the fan of Nvidia P1000, you can buy that as the parts number is 02CW661.
Yeh have a p330 side panel on order just waiting for it to come in to use with m720q
Cheapest price I fixit sells one
Wow that's a no-brainer purchasing that rather than DIY'ing something that'll never look as good as this
Do you know if 180watt version, also come with this huge brick of an power adapter? I'm willing to risk it if lower watt version comes without it.
Also - about that cover part for 1l lenovo. It's not the issue for the build presented in this video, to buy this 1l pc already with it, or is it? Does it have any drawbacks if I would do that, maybe it comes with weaker/older cpu only? Or does the only thing is that it could come with gpu I wouldn't need (but most probably it would be dissasembled form the case?)
My n3rdware conversion kit just got shipped! Gunna put it in my ms01. Very excited.
You are two bad choices away from putting an a2000 in a phone 😂
A tablet with an A2000 is close enough.
Hmm! I think that will be a beautiful side project. A2000 in a thick tablet with batteries. Hmm!
@@jeffenad5412 Would need some sort of cooling for the GPU though
Still want to See the 12th gen version of this PC. A 12900t and a A2000 would be sick
this is nuclear power pc damn
6:21 Great to see some old hardware getting used, but the T model really keeps this chip from unfolding its strength. Even a R5 5600 with PBO2 & CO gets 5100 points which is almost 2x the performance.
But thermals is the big thing. A 5600 will absolutely overwhelm low profile cooler at stock wattage.
@@abhimaanmayadam5713 Nope. You can even overclock with the AMD Wraith Stealth stock cooler, depending on your RAM frequency. Over 3333MHz the IO die sips more power though and gets hotter.
@@samserious1337 Right, but a Wraith Stealth is a lot taller than the case and im pretty sure that fan can shove way more air than the tiny blower fan in the case. The Wraith Stealth is 55 mm tall (based on some measurements I found online) The MiniPC is 37 mm "tall". In order to get a case that fits, it ceases to be a 1L case.
A 5600GE would be a much better bet as it is a 35 Watt TDP. But its Zen 2 instead of Zen 3 and AMD enterprise machines like this arent as common, at least at that price point. The ThinkCentre M75q Tiny from Lenvovo comes with a 5750GE and I think its in the same form factor. But its also twice the price on Ebay, closer to $400 while this MiniPC is like $179.
bro be milking that tiny mini micro till it dies 😂
Love the A2000, that cooler is crazy priced though.
Just have to find a deal on the card ended scooping one for 175 then even with cooler you end up spending around the typical price of just the card
It is a handcrafted low profile cooler made of copper and stainless steel, the price is very reasonable.
I got a n3rdware cooler for my A2000. I am a Linux AMD gamer, but it is the best graphics card without supplemental power for low profile builds.
May I ask of the specs for your build? I'm not really an Intel person I prefer AMD so what you're saying is extremely fascinating to me. Please and thank you have a nice day!
@@jiraiyasinfocard Thanks for asking about my Linux AMD gaming setup. It's an AM5 AMD 7700 CPU, 7900GRE processor, with 64GB RAM because I run virtual machines. It works great in Debian and Arch distributions with full graphics acceleration in Steam.
For a SFF build, simply swap in the A2000, which can do 1080p gaming all day.
These nano machines with actual performance are quite fascinating.
Gives me the same feel as emulating windows games on android.
with the price though, MIght as well just buy a mini pc.
Better off buying a 600$ 4050 laptop and it even comes with a free screen and keyboard!
@@jurpo6 I legitimately forgot gaming laptops existed.
Yeah a $420 Ryzen 7840HS mini PC with a RX 6400 grade iGPU (Radeon 780M) is probably a better value right now.
@@myface6739 i mean i like laptops buy mini pc is just getting better every year
That high end GPU isn't actually "A4000". Instead it is "RTX 4000 SFF" without "A".
Still's basically a smaller, but much less affordable RTX 3060 SFF that happens to draw only 70W.
bro i had my suspicions years ago when I 1st bought my A2000 - this is the exact build I wanted but i gave up when I realized it wouldnt fit. I didn't even know the pcie slot was proprietary so I wouldve run into that problem haha. More cooler mods NEED to be made - this itself is a VERY profitable business if you ask me (given you have the materials)
I love the a2000. I paired it with a i5-10500 and 64 GB of RAM. It’s a perfect setup for what I do.
This is sooo crazy but cool.
The best build 😆
I imagine a day where i can slot my phone into an egpu dock and play AAA games
Nvidia Now? Winlator ?
This is just what I'm looking to build myself, a small 1L with a graphics card. I am looking forward to an emulation video, seeing if it can run OG Xbox, PS2 upscaled, PS3, 360. Thank you
I use a 7700T for my trueNAS. 8700T is pretty low draw, too. Good for transcoding too.
There's already A2000s going for $250-$350 on Marketplace.
Not sure if it's a better value than a $420 Ryzen 7840HS mini PC with a RX 6400 grade iGPU (Radeon 780M) though.
Ohh man. Every time i see your videos i want to buy what you are showing. Then comes the next video with an even better item than the last video. This itx is perfect for traveling. Great video 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Love this video, I hope that you can do an emulation video for this system.
You can put the non T i7-8700 in that system. Just have to upgrade the cpu heatsink with a copper one. This came with some of the higher end models.
Are you sure? Doesn't the non T draw too much power for this system?
I love my a2000 and have been dreaming of building something this tiny
37 watts at 80+ FPS on High settings, amazing! game for hours with reasonable electricity bill. Hopefully these GPU's become more affordable and mainstream. Electricity is the key to human salvation, not dinosaur bones and dead trees we grind up and burn.
save some money cut a bigger hole too let a full sized A- 2000 just pop out of top of it is what i would do myself on a budget, makes most sense to me you could just print a higher top case for it also.
Rtx a2000 cost 1000$ in my country 💀
@@klukay looks like in aus they go for as much an entire new build with 4060
This GPU is mainly for very low profile, small form factor PCs, or for extremely efficient PC builds, if that’s not your requirement, there are much better GPUs than A2000 at that price point
Yeah, long gone are the days of "the secret budget king". I got mine for 240USD back in 2021 during inflation, but sold it in a custom office*(gaming) pc build for twice the price and the guy was excited about it. If you were around back then, and willing to pay customs lol, then I wouldve gladly sold it to you for 300....in my currency
try the 3050 6gb low profile
Same here… I was lucky to get the a2000 for around EUR 200, but these days are over. Anyhow, if you want to build a „steam machine“ better to go with a low profile 6400
I did something similar a year ago with the same PC but with a LP RX6400 running HoloISO. My builds on the sffpc subreddit if anyone wants to check it out . Nifty little machine plugged into the TV. Cool to see a video of the full process though!
Switch 2 hardware preview..? 👀
Hahah... the USFF bug got u. This is the ultimate ITX build.
I love it, but the whole set up is a bit rich for my blood. I snagged a HP mini PC with a 10700t and a mobile 1660ti for $350, and its fantastic. I love having it as a living room PC.
This is a pretty cool setup. Wonder if it'll work with the Steam OS or something similar. A small form factor dedicated Steam gaming rig would be sweet.
I love these builds
you should add Once Human as your test game :)
really small and compact 🗿
The lenovo Thinkstation P330 Tiny can also do this. I regularly see them with Pascal Quadros in them being sold on eBay - these come with 9th gen CPUs in them so are slightly more expensive but could probably handle an i9-9900T (there are a few 17-9700T variants floating around). Because of this, the P330 already comes with GPU vents pre-baked into the casing
In the company we have pc-s like this, right now i am considering stealing one, just for a PC like this! :D
Recently bought an Elitedesk 800 G6 mini that comes with the 1660ti
Have one myself. Great mobile gaming paired with a portable monitor.
@@jameskramer3461 It’s a gift for a friend that’s in a touring band and he’s gonna use it with a portable monitor. I also did an M920Q + RX6400 build earlier in the year but that’s not quite as powerful. The 800 G6 is pretty incredible for what it is
I wish more people would benchmark games that the majority of my friends play: Ark Survival Evolved, Empyrion Galactic Survival, and 7 Days to Die. They're old games, but very GPU taxing on little systems. However, when looking at low end gaming systems, my friends have tight budgets.
The M90q case has the venting you're looking for built in
This PC tooks about 90-100W at gaming. About 80% more than Ryzen Ai 370HX and its about 50% faster than the Ryzen. This is very, very efficient! And I think the GPU is about 350€ + 100€ RAM+SSD and the Lenovo PC for 200€. Its 650€. So its cheaper and faster than a BEllink SER9 for example. Maybe dGpus are not as bad.
Imagine this with a RTX 3050 6GB in LP can be very cheap, efficient and fast.
The price is like being kicked in the nuts.
You should upgrade the CPU to i9-9900T or i9-9900. I would like to see the performance.
This has it's place in a low-CPU requirement, beefier GPU than iGPUs in the 890M class and don't mind the 2-3x more volume than a 4x4 mini.
I wish the finals was a benchmark
Vanilla Skyrim at 1440p 60fps at sub 50W of power draw.
below 50W.
damn, bro.
I'd like to think my comment about using the A2000 inspired this video xD
you can use Lenovo Legion 135w Gan charger to get rid of that bulky power brick, so it will be close to real 1L in size
Nvidia has released the RTX 2000 ADA 16GB, which should be a more powerful card, at the same small formfactor, but I haven't really been able to find any benchmarks yet.
be cool to see one of these with an intel ARC
i have the same model but with i5 and rx 550, mine runs hackintosh latest sequoia and works flawlessly
Intel i7 8700T provides PCIe 3.0 but you are using PCIe 4.0 based GPU on it.
I'm running this same Lenovo as my unraid/plex server, I threw a 9900T in it off aliexpress for like $150 it's so small I have it crammed in the corner of a JBOD case full of 8TB HDD's
and I'm using the pcie adapter to run a 8x sata card
There are some Lenovo Tiny's with a vented cover. I think the M90q. I think they have the same pci slot too.
Kids gaming with Gaming PCs, adults going to work, for buying Gaming PCs for their children.😅
I used a electrical panel manual knockout tool to make my holes for the cpu and gpu
I used to want to get one of these Thinkcentres so bad, but now I use a server chassis in a server rack because I'm stupid.
miss my a2000 and 5L build.
Literally had this exact idea lol
Great performance with the A2000.. love it.. but is it possible to use an rx6400 or better Radeon GPU on this little machine.. think about to use it with Bazzite
Damn, it looks like there is an unpopulated drive slot, I wonder if there is a SKU with that avaiiable.
I have one. An i7 9700t with rtx T1000 8gb with moded 3D printed cover.
I have the P330 and P350 variants of the Lenovo Tiny PCs and both came with the x16 adapter and ventilation over the GPU air intake. My P330 has the same 8700T, and my P350 has the 11700T. I'm really trying to resist grabbing an A4000 SFF and N3rdware's single slot cooler, but I'm a little worried about the 50 watt limit on the PCIE slot. I suppose I could try undervolting but I got nowhere with that on my little RTX T600, although I'm prettyy sure I undervolted my old A2000.
I know Yeston has a RTX3050 6GB that would fit in this system. I bought one for my SFFPC.
very interesting video i really like this concept... i wonder what games that processor can run without additional graphics / world of warcraft
SteamOS running on something like this would be nice.
It is cool as is but if you factor in the extra volume of the PSU is it really worth for anyone to have very specific hardware not meant for that usage when you can get a small form factor case that will accommodate the hardware you want and the one you will want. Who is lacking that much space that they will need to reduce their gaming rig to this size? Gamers on a bicycle, hiker gaming?
thx for your tester, but in my country rtx a2000 is more expensive than rtx 4060 low profile :(
I wonder if using Throttlestop to undervolt both the CPU and GPU would help you squeeze more performance out of that 40 watts?
mann i really want this
Buy it
@@PIayboyNike cant afford
Can you test it vs the rtx 3050lp? I think that both are close in performance. Of course single slot is the advantage here. Also, how much performance did you lost on the default speed settings?
A4000 already has a single slot cooler.
nvidia and amd have no excuse to make powerful tiny GPU again
Considering the price difference isn't too great these days, why not put that a2000 in an m90q gen 3? I'd imagine even the i5 version would give better performance than this older Thinkcentre Tiny, with the jump from pcie gen 3 and 4 and all.
Hrm.......overclocked Radeon 890M is already almost as fast as this tho. 🤔
And upcoming Strix Halo Lite APUs with 234-267 GB/s of LPDDR5X @ 256-bit are gonna match the RTX 2000 Ada.
Damn.. that's fuckin awsome.
This particular model of Lenovo mini PC is getting really hard to find on eBay and are expensive. I guess the word is out and a lot of people are doing this mod.
You just aren’t looking for the right thing. The p330 and p340 are better versions than this.
@@jurpo6 I’m going to check out that version right now, thanks
@@jurpo6 it seems like they’re just as expensive as the m920q
@@safetycrocs5069 M920x and P330 would be better options imo
@@safetycrocs5069 he said better not cheaper sry
YES!
"I don't have an A4000 cuz the price is way up there". Unlike this little $630 GPU that's such a bargain at $200 cheaper...LOL
Now put it inside a ps2 slim case
Try use RX6400 LP single slot and dual slot
Hello eta, can you try with acer veriton n4660g next? It got interesting expansion setup and full size pcie slot.
Please also try to find the complete 3l version because you can't buy individual expansion.
Didn’t you have to limit the GPU boost clock to prevent voltage spikes that lead to reboots or the GPU driver from crashing?
I keep saying this to where one might call it spam, but THAT is the missing segment for GPUs. It's sad how long it took for a decent GPU to arrive in LP (GB 4060 LP) and even that isn't perfect with it's extended lenght. Shame that we have to spend so much damn money, to buy a prosumer card like a A2000 or A4000 SFF Ada and then spend another huni for a LP single slot modded cooler to get the single slot... I hope dearly that AMD leaving the high end means we will see more LP cards, maybe with a premium cooler assembly instead of the embarassing nvidia A2000 aluminium solution.
That's nice 😁
Wish there’s an RTX for steam deck
How long before we get 4k 120 on a mini pc? Been waiting 50 years. Not sure i can wait another 5 or 10.
I want this
Description Mistake: " RTX A200 "
Since you have the hardware, I was wondering if its feasible to use onexgpu2 or something via some connectors
Does Lenovo have an updated version of that SFF? Maybe like a 12th gen CPU that still has the PCIE slot?
the dell one alreadt have vents hole on it if im not mistaken
This is how Xbox should be.
FFS the rtx a2000 is around 700bucks were i live so i can get a rtx 4070super used for the same money.
P330 case has hole over GPU
@@MrTressy1 and has no power limits too
Do you know if 180watt version, also come with this huge brick of an power adapter? I'm willing to risk it if lower watt version comes without it
What other 1l cases, would be possible to use in a build like this? Only these lenovos because of theirs riser adapter?
More video on minisforum um890 pro
RTX A2000 is more expensive than Lenovo, what the point?
??Do the newer Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny's have a PCI slot?? I'd like to build an ultra Small Form Factor my SolidWorks CAD workstation but with something like a 12th gen Intel I7. 🤔🤔
What is better 3050 LP or A2000?