Recently as of last week one of my officers called 911 for backup for a suspect that was threatening to kill someone on property we patrol, they never showed up at all so we had to handle the situation ourselves
The uniform or shirt guards/security wear wouldn't stop you from handling a situation.. it will stop security from trying to look like cops or give the false narrative they are police ..
There’s been countless times where me and my units arrive on scene of a violent on going crime and police will take upwards of 30 minutes or more to respond and they usually end up doing nothing but letting criminals walk free.
@@IamkitkatbarGod I hate people like you. I’ll much rather have security at my apartment complex instead of cops. Security doesn’t harass people and they understand they work for the people.
Lame. Leave police work to police. Security guards job is to observe and report. Quit trying to be something you are not supposed to be. If you want to arrest criminals then become a cop.
@@gardennovice7896 Observe and report is not law, its policy coined by companies too cheap and lazy to properly train their guards. There are plenty of companies and sites that are not observe and report, where guards are encouraged to or even expected to go hands on when needed.
They’re trying to make an issue out of nothing. At 1:23 they blur out the security patch to fit their narrative. How about focusing on more important matters. This so called “problem” could be “fixed” if law enforcement just used a standardized uniform. There not a uniform security could wear that some LEO agency doesn’t use in some form.
@@ObtainEmployment it's how they act they act like great value police. As if you can train someone to be a police officer in 2 1/2 weeks of their bozo training. They don't even know the fucking law of the land
@@Iamkitkatbar Private security's rights are: -the rights of a private individual minus activities prohibited by the security license (such as being armed on duty when only class D) -the rights and responsibilities of the business/property owner that the owner chooses to allow and have security enforce while on the property. You don't need to have extensive training to understand this criteria and you typically aren't being called upon to enforce the "laws of the land". The closest you get to "policing" is usually verbally warning someone they need to leave the premises or acting to defend yourself/others in the event of violence. Anything beyond this is typically beyond the scope of security work.
Metro keep your eyes on the mission not the people in uniform doing there jobs. This should not even be an issue. A professional look is what deter some criminal offenders. I have personally seen how these security teams operate up close and I can see they are very much professional in the environment that they are working in. You’re dealing with a highly intoxicated individuals at times so a hard, professional uniform would help change the focus of some criminal behavior. It doesn’t matter if they went to pink shirts and yellow pants. Once they see that patch in Badge general public still gets confuse.
For someone who may need security some day when their is no police and the security is your police 👮♀️ your words are powerful clown don’t bite the hand that feeds ya garbage 🗑️🤡
@@knowthetruthfamily6498who the hell wants to be a police officer them mf are scared of gun fire did u not see the uvaled school shooting goof ball armed security got way more balls amd courage then police glad u learned something today now go ride your pink bike
Could! Is the magic word. If the uniform is clearly marked as is required in Ca, than it's not the fault of the security provider if the person can't read.
@@oittisallen4057 Something has been done. Current rules since video for security in NV. Prohibited items include, but are not limited to: • The term “Agent”, “Officer” and “Investigator” • Uniform colors of (forest green/tan), (forest green/black), (navy/navy), (tan/tan), (black/black), yellow shirts, pants with stripes • Star shaped badges, patches or logos • Shield shaped patches or logos (Shield shaped badges may be used) • Use of the Nevada State Seal • Use of a uniform, badge, patch, logo or marked vehicle that are similar or deceptively similar to a law enforcement agency in this State • The word “Patrol” on marked vehicles
@@oittisallen4057 Current rules since video for security in NV. Prohibited items include, but are not limited to: • The term “Agent”, “Officer” and “Investigator” • Uniform colors of (forest green/tan), (forest green/black), (navy/navy), (tan/tan), (black/black), yellow shirts, pants with stripes • Star shaped badges, patches or logos • Shield shaped patches or logos (Shield shaped badges may be used) • Use of the Nevada State Seal • Use of a uniform, badge, patch, logo or marked vehicle that are similar or deceptively similar to a law enforcement agency in this State • The word “Patrol” on marked vehicles
Let the Security Officers wear black or blue uniforms since the local police takes about 15 minutes for them to arrive for any incident. If security uniform colors get changed to SMURF colors the command presence will be lost and the police department will now have more calls to respond too.
@@bigboytexasdownsouthUntil LEO's show up they are infact kind of the thin blue line... Especially in a day in age when instead of helping people, many will just pull out and record a man wailing on his girlfriend until she is unconscious.That being said, in the world we live in I will gladly accept the service of a proactive security officer until the cops show up.
@@bigboytexasdownsouthIf you don’t have presence you are not doing your job. If you’re not respectful you are not doing your job. If people don’t take your seriously your presence and such isn’t going to work out well in high risk situations.
Facts our uniform doesn't look like police but I've seen police wear the same color as ours after they made this to change our uniforms we wear Blue n black polo security shirts black or tan slacks black shoes Black undershirt I've seen local police wear similar shirts I know other security companies that wear similar shirts such as Allied Transit Security we are pried group llc we also work with ISPA security and Vet Sec Protection Agentcy i also work with Arizona React First Security we wear black polo security shirts army green slacks and security vest my future goals get Bail Enforcement Agent license and start my own Security and Bail enforcement agent business or expand the family business
It's called people need to learn to read... I work for one of the larger private security companies in Vegas. Our uniforms CLEARLY state SECURITY all over. Sure, from a distance, I could be confused as a LEO. But, that appearance helps with de-escalation. We look like we can stop you if you don't comply to state/federal laws as well as property policies. I can't count how many times I've been complimented by Metro on how professional the uniform looks.
Now you know. They were secretly jealous. Cops hold us in utter contempt. But if they were do do our job for 6 months i bet they would change their tunes quick.
If they make changes are they going to provide funding to assist these companies in paying for the changes? I mean we are talking about 10’s of thousands of dollars in changes in some cases for companies that have a lot of Officers.
A long time ago police complained about guard uniforms. The legislature wrote a law that said guard uniforms can't look like police uniforms. In my state, the state police regulate guard agency & guard licenses. So the guard uniform is approved by the state before the agency licenses is issued. I have no problem with this. I don't need to look like a cop to do my job. The best deterrent I have, is the firearm I carry. I like not having a police style badge or patch. I like letting the public know I'm just a guard & if you cooperate with me you might not go to jail. For the uncooperative I have OC spray, which I use early & often. My only power is control over the property & my right to use physical force to maintain that control or order. If crimes are committed & the BG gets away. It's the polices job to track them down & arrest them! My job is to observe, use reasonable force to protect or stop the threat, & report. It's the polices job to arrest criminals.
Current rules since video for security in NV. Prohibited items include, but are not limited to: • The term “Agent”, “Officer” and “Investigator” • Uniform colors of (forest green/tan), (forest green/black), (navy/navy), (tan/tan), (black/black), yellow shirts, pants with stripes • Star shaped badges, patches or logos • Shield shaped patches or logos (Shield shaped badges may be used) • Use of the Nevada State Seal • Use of a uniform, badge, patch, logo or marked vehicle that are similar or deceptively similar to a law enforcement agency in this State • The word “Patrol” on marked vehicles
People who have never been in harm's way will never understand. Some of us face many of the same threats as law enforcement. We have properties in the hood where you can be trespassing two people found smoking meth in a vacant apartment while a teenaged kid gets shot 3 streets down in a gang hit, and next thing you know you're in a stack of police officers pushing up stairs, clearing units, and rendering aid to a gunshot victim. It's not about impersonation. My uniform says I am a professional, and PD can trust me to have their back when it counts.
@@bigboytexasdownsouth you’re right but it’s who spoke on the stand in this clip, so logically speaking we’re gonna focus on who spoke in the given specific video
As long as our badges and patches don't say police and uniform colors ain't the same most security wear green we wear Black Pants black shoes black undershirt Blue security shirt similar to Valley Metro Light Rail Security
@@phoenixarizona8441why have a badge .?? I can see a shirt that says security and maybe the company you work for but the security badge doesn't do much .
You wear what your company that hires you to wear via protocol. We are meant to deter, and be seen. We are trained never to wear a State seal, nor ever impersonate and have stringent rules about what we wear patch wise and company wise. The fact anyone is even trying this is abhorrent and naive. This is ridiculous. It’s like they want people to not see us, and not take us seriously. That’s not how this works. These fools need to take the 40hr class, and then G class, and then learn the difference between guards, security officers, security specialists, and so on before questioning and dictating what we wear and why for each unique situation. Why don’t these fools go bother the criminals on the street instead of mess with something that shouldn’t be messed with in the first place. Shame on whoever started this crapshoot. Put them on night watch in a hospital, or plant, or something dark and dangerous and they will quickly learn why uniforms, and safety gear is important. Plus the pay to strip us of our tools which includes uniforms isn’t enough. What we need is more protection, and pay. And how about some damn respect!
A lot of these Security/Public Safety Officers are commissioned, meaning they have Police powers while they are on duty. We are governed by our local police department, they make us train at their Police academy.
Not in Vegas lmfao. Most of these guys in the Vegas Valley are morons who shouldn’t even be carrying in the first place. So many people are incompetent with crappy baseline PILB firearms training and nothing more.
How about learning to read 'security'? I mean, if the uniform says 'security' and the city can't tell the difference between police and security, then there needs to be another board hearing on comprehension, lol.
Well, hope I am not very late to discuss that, but I am a security officer(here we are called Vigilantes) in Brazil, I have a major degree in law(my company demands at least a 4 year bachelor's degree) and I am now graduating a MBA in Private Security, I've been working as a registered security officer since 2001, and for the last 12 years I've been as VSPP(bodyguard) for a company that serves protective services for politicians primarily, tycoons and PUDTs(Person Under Death Threat). Our company used to send us to a CPO specialized training in USA, with instructors from some former SWAT teams all over America, former US Secret Service agents and former HSI agents, so I know a little bit about how american police organizations works(or should work), as well, how private security companies work, and why there's some states that allow private polices under the name "Special Police", and the history behind it. I must admit that I am not an expert in Los Angeles or California laws, but I am an expert in Security Officers equipments, I am completelly against a "private police", or "police wannabe" uniforms, and the company I work for, have a tuxedo uniform, our cars aren't marked in high-contrast colors nor have flashing yellow lights, but it have beeing changing for the last 5 years, by the time we are used to carry a concealed weapon, there's a new "fixed position" uniform that is more tacticool, this security agent doesn't escorts the VIP all along, but stays in his house or inside the private condos, and theres a psychological question about that, like it or not, a trespasser, a citizen unhappy with his politician, or someone that have anger issues, were always, always engaging in fight with us using tuxedos, even that we could legally use lethal force(I don't wanna get into details here of why, but remember, brazilian laws are different and depending of what customer we have, some laws may not apply as they should), they would still totaly engage in a fight with us, but when we realized that the other security company were dealing with them, the apparent armor vests and the more tactical gear had a completelly psychological effect on them, and since we adopted this second uniform with an open carry, in plain view revolver, our man-to-man engagements dropped to zero, I can't remember that last time we had to use the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu classes, the same guy with a concealed carry on a tuxedo that would face a trouble, now wearing the tactical gear, just steps in and then things gets quickly de-escalated. And remember, I am brazilian, but yet I know the difference between a security officer uniform, from a police officer uniform, and in America things are prerry easy, blue lights are reserved for the official police, if I were to point the differences would be a LAPD, NYPD, POLICE, RANGER, SHERIFF or something like that in the back of the vest, if I see "security" or another name, I know that this isn't the official police, it's not that difficult. And again, I am completelly against security officers posing or impersonating policemen, but wearing a tactical uniform with sober colors, have a psychological impact, despite I an't liking it and really preffering my tuxedo, I can't deny the facts.
Different jobs have different needs and types of uniforms. It’s not all suit and tie buddy. Now if you say your a cop and are not then you are impersonating if you are in your uniform that is correct for your job site your doing your job not posing. Duh
Generally, New Jersey armed security officers wear any type of badge, but their uniforms and badges must state that they are armed security officers Level III.
Forget That! have their uniforms look like police officers especially for armed guards. Dont let it say Security Officer let it say "Law Enforcement". Nuff said.
I know of at least 2 local companies that are creating this issue. The overwhelming majority of companies don’t push the boundaries, but these two companies look dangerously close local law enforcement. Why not just stop that. We don’t need to look like local cops to deescalate or address incidents on private property 🙄
I’m not sure what they’re looking to change, there’s a vast difference in the color of the uniforms, as well as all of the security officers have markings designated them as security officers. At the places, they are contracted to be at, that badging gun is a deterrent and today more than never it is more necessary to have arm security at these places to at least bridge. The gap until law-enforcement can respond.
How can the board justify taking away the body armor of security that are many times first on the scene?? So long as their patches say SECURITY, what could possibly be the issue??? I'll give a great example. San Francisco used to have "Patrol Specials" basically armed security with arrest powers that worked the neighborhoods and businesses for over a hundred years. The SFPD had a great idea and started making complaints that eventually took all of their authority away, so most of the Patrol Specials went out of business, and now look a San Francisco. Don't let local police ruin your city with pettiness.
@@edogriff wrong they said " look like " they basically said can you change the color. I've done security in 2008 and doing it again honestly Too many think they cops or their words are law . Security are not LEOs . And I know they Purposely try to look like cops sometimes not all but sometimes .
@@cesarramirez2935 how do you wear an external vest or a duty belt and not look like law enforcement? The external vest I wear I can have security plastered on front and back in big lettesr and people will say it looks like law enforcement. Even with a concealed vest and a company name in front and protection officer in the front of a shirt people say it looks like LEO.
The uniforms I currently wear at my security job are pretty ridiculous. I'm not saying I need to look like a cop, but cmon! Royal Blue shirt with orange trim and khaki pants. I look like tactical Mr. Rogers.
Most of the time police don't show up when security calls them for a dangerous situation. Even the security guard company supervisors don't show up most of the time either
Security is always first responders to everything and almost no credit is given to them. It BS that security risk it all like PD and still get security gets pushed to the side.
There is a BSIS policy that requires all security to be identified front, back, left and right. It has to be visible and can not replicate law enforcement. I believe the only change that needs to occur is not the uniform, but the verbiage they use on their uniforms. Security has definitely drifted away from identifying as “SECURITY” “Tactical Response Team” “Enforcement Officer” “Armed Officer” These are examples of verbiage that shouldn’t be used to identify SECURITY GUARDS.
With the lack of sworn police officers and long police response times the private sector had to and does pick up the slack, only to catch flack from public agencies whining.
And yet the vast majority of us are contract….proprietary is so limited in Vegas it’s a unicorn position that I wish people would stop bringing up, it won’t happen to the vast majority of us.
Security guards need to look it. Cops need to look like cops. If your a security in cop gear and get hit and you hurt someone your done. You dont have that immunity. Security is security deterent not aggressive. You observe and report thats it. Unless your life or someone in front of you is in danger. You step off. Your not a cop or peace officer.
Security guards job is to observe and report. Security guards have no arrest authority. The liability of being arrested and sued should be a major concern for all security guards as they do not have qualified immunity. Any guard who keeps pushing the agenda really just trying to be more than what they are really tasked to do. If you want to be a cop then go apply at a police department or Sheriff’s office. Let’s stop pretending to be something we will never be and are not supposed to be.
Depends on the state. And just like any civilian you have the right to make a citizen arrest if need be, and the rules that go with it must be followed to a T. You also must have actionable intelligence and knowledge of how to do this to avoid liability. Learn and always have continued education. Security doesn’t just stop with a D/G license. The more certs, and more licenses you have you have better pay, more options and better protections.
This isn't the 80s. Security is changing and advancing. The observe and report only model isn't working when it takes an hour or two or 3 for law enforcement to respond to a violent situation. The security industry needs to change as society changes.
Hell no, wearing a police looking badge and uniform puts us in much more danger on the job. It's stupid. They shouldn't make security guard's look like cops.
@@edogriff a shirt or color that would show they are not cops is a problem now .?? So ypu admit you want them to look like cops your proving the point .
@@edogriff what's wrong with that ? For a club it would be best the security would obviously stand out so when people need help it's more obvious who to goto ..so Again that's basically admitting fools want security to look like cops when they aren't. Not even Quarter of the training even armed guards only have like 2-3days of range training depending on state again nowhere near enough .
@@cesarramirez2935 Of course security as less training than law enforcement. We don't serve warrants, conduct traffic stops etc. Arrest authority is limited to citizens arrest in most states, use of force laws are the same as other citizens. So we don't need to know nearly the same case law, statutes etc.
I find it laughable security officers think a badge protects them. Security officers are CIVILIANS NOT COPS!!! You should NOT be wearing anything emblematic of law enforcement. If you want to wear a badge so bad …. JOIN THE FORCE!!! BECOME A COP!!! There are Security company’s here in town who have removed UNARMED people AT GUNPOINT (Felony) and wrongfully arrested people. Most of these security officers can’t tell you what the definition of deadly physical force is, yet they wear a gun and some even carry AR’s (FACTS)!!! As for the ballistic armor they wear … I don’t have any issue with these as many times Security is first on the scene however, this still doesn’t mean they need to wear a badge!!!
@@thomasnicolosi7317 In Nevada they have to go through a state mandated course to get licensed to carry firearms like most other states. I like how people with no real knowledge or experience assume what the training requirements are. The badge is an identifier they are clearly marked with security officer, protection officer etc. Should firemen stop wearing badges too because they aren't law enforcement?
@@edogriff a Cape is an identifier too genius. Should they wear a Cape too? A good Security officer must know how to de-escalate a situation. Unlike what's said in the video, in today's environment, the uniform and badge seem to be more of a catalyst for the haters and those looking to get rich with frivolous lawsuits!!! There's too many of the proverbial "wannabe cops" out there who certainly should NOT be wearing anything emblematic of an active Law Enforcement Officer!!!! If it takes a uniform, and/or especially a badge, to garner "respect" from the local citizens like stated in the video .... maybe they should don a skin-tight jump suit, a small mask with built in ears for wonder boy hearing,I ķ jo pa fancy belt and a BADGE emblazoned on their chest and protect our cities, our towns, hell the entire state, from all the crime and crazies roaming our streets and lurking in the darkness. I'm assuming you work security? I say this as you become a slight bit TRIGGERED (no pun intended) to people's statements and/or views of these and other Security guards!!!! Stay safe BATMAN!!!!
You might as well get get Congress to pass the federal law to make all private security guards across the whole country cuz across the whole country they all look like law enforcement
@@johndoe9134PT/Fitness - The psychological exam, something in their background (pre-employment criminal background investigations or their credit), a variety of reasons I’ll say most security in Vegas are worthless and the vast majority of these yahoos shouldn’t be armed to begin with
From every picture shown it looked like they had markings saying security all over their shirts.
Recently as of last week one of my officers called 911 for backup for a suspect that was threatening to kill someone on property we patrol, they never showed up at all so we had to handle the situation ourselves
Exactly 💯 had the same thing happen I switched from motel security to working Event Security police work at all the events we do all over the valley
The uniform or shirt guards/security wear wouldn't stop you from handling a situation.. it will stop security from trying to look like cops or give the false narrative they are police ..
@@cesarramirez2935Wearing gear n badges is apart of the work. They can whine about it all they want but private security is big nowadays for a reason.
I work in private security. Our shirts are white. We look like mall security. We are fully strapped head to toe as well.
There’s been countless times where me and my units arrive on scene of a violent on going crime and police will take upwards of 30 minutes or more to respond and they usually end up doing nothing but letting criminals walk free.
Well your not the police so you don't get to decide if someone goes to jail.
@@IamkitkatbarGod I hate people like you. I’ll much rather have security at my apartment complex instead of cops. Security doesn’t harass people and they understand they work for the people.
Not your call. That’s metro’s or whatever agency it is.
You don’t get to decide when you have zero authority
Lame. Leave police work to police. Security guards job is to observe and report. Quit trying to be something you are not supposed to be. If you want to arrest criminals then become a cop.
@@gardennovice7896 Observe and report is not law, its policy coined by companies too cheap and lazy to properly train their guards. There are plenty of companies and sites that are not observe and report, where guards are encouraged to or even expected to go hands on when needed.
Sounds like a cop didn't like how security looked like a police.
They’re trying to make an issue out of nothing. At 1:23 they blur out the security patch to fit their narrative. How about focusing on more important matters. This so called “problem” could be “fixed” if law enforcement just used a standardized uniform. There not a uniform security could wear that some LEO agency doesn’t use in some form.
Exactly! I'm no fan of Arcadia but they have a patch that CLEARLY says "ARCADIA SECURITY" on the back. You literally cannot miss it. It's huge.
@@ObtainEmployment it's how they act they act like great value police. As if you can train someone to be a police officer in 2 1/2 weeks of their bozo training. They don't even know the fucking law of the land
@@Iamkitkatbar
Private security's rights are:
-the rights of a private individual minus activities prohibited by the security license (such as being armed on duty when only class D)
-the rights and responsibilities of the business/property owner that the owner chooses to allow and have security enforce while on the property.
You don't need to have extensive training to understand this criteria and you typically aren't being called upon to enforce the "laws of the land". The closest you get to "policing" is usually verbally warning someone they need to leave the premises or acting to defend yourself/others in the event of violence. Anything beyond this is typically beyond the scope of security work.
Metro keep your eyes on the mission not the people in uniform doing there jobs. This should not even be an issue. A professional look is what deter some criminal offenders. I have personally seen how these security teams operate up close and I can see they are very much professional in the environment that they are working in. You’re dealing with a highly intoxicated individuals at times so a hard, professional uniform would help change the focus of some criminal behavior. It doesn’t matter if they went to pink shirts and yellow pants. Once they see that patch in Badge general public still gets confuse.
we security officer need to deter and report and de-escalate a situation keep our uniforms the way they are.
They talking about armed security not regular so
@@Dark_Shadow_Support Alright you an officer 👮♀️
lol bum security
For someone who may need security some day when their is no police and the security is your police 👮♀️ your words are powerful clown don’t bite the hand that feeds ya garbage 🗑️🤡
@@knowthetruthfamily6498who the hell wants to be a police officer them mf are scared of gun fire did u not see the uvaled school shooting goof ball armed security got way more balls amd courage then police glad u learned something today now go ride your pink bike
Could! Is the magic word. If the uniform is clearly marked as is required in Ca, than it's not the fault of the security provider if the person can't read.
LVMPD is trying too hard. They've got major crime issues in Las Vegas, and police should be better supporting security
Nope. Nothings going to be done. And just like Seattle I will always support security and as many as possible
Thank you appreciate that as a security guard my self
@@oittisallen4057 Something has been done.
Current rules since video for security in NV.
Prohibited items include, but are not limited to: • The term “Agent”, “Officer” and “Investigator” •
Uniform colors of (forest green/tan), (forest green/black), (navy/navy), (tan/tan), (black/black), yellow shirts, pants with stripes
• Star shaped badges, patches or logos
• Shield shaped patches or logos (Shield shaped badges may be used) • Use of the Nevada State Seal
• Use of a uniform, badge, patch, logo or marked vehicle that are similar or deceptively similar to a law enforcement agency in this State
• The word “Patrol” on marked vehicles
@@oittisallen4057 Current rules since video for security in NV.
Prohibited items include, but are not limited to: • The term “Agent”, “Officer” and “Investigator” •
Uniform colors of (forest green/tan), (forest green/black), (navy/navy), (tan/tan), (black/black), yellow shirts, pants with stripes
• Star shaped badges, patches or logos
• Shield shaped patches or logos (Shield shaped badges may be used) • Use of the Nevada State Seal
• Use of a uniform, badge, patch, logo or marked vehicle that are similar or deceptively similar to a law enforcement agency in this State
• The word “Patrol” on marked vehicles
Let the Security Officers wear black or blue uniforms since the local police takes about 15 minutes for them to arrive for any incident. If security uniform colors get changed to SMURF colors the command presence will be lost and the police department will now have more calls to respond too.
Yeah but the command presence is because believe they are law enforcement.
@@bigboytexasdownsouthUntil LEO's show up they are infact kind of the thin blue line... Especially in a day in age when instead of helping people, many will just pull out and record a man wailing on his girlfriend until she is unconscious.That being said, in the world we live in I will gladly accept the service of a proactive security officer until the cops show up.
@@bigboytexasdownsouthIf you don’t have presence you are not doing your job. If you’re not respectful you are not doing your job. If people don’t take your seriously your presence and such isn’t going to work out well in high risk situations.
I wear a huge patch on my vest that says security. It’s not my fault people can’t read
Facts our uniform doesn't look like police but I've seen police wear the same color as ours after they made this to change our uniforms we wear Blue n black polo security shirts black or tan slacks black shoes Black undershirt I've seen local police wear similar shirts I know other security companies that wear similar shirts such as Allied Transit Security we are pried group llc we also work with ISPA security and Vet Sec Protection Agentcy i also work with Arizona React First Security we wear black polo security shirts army green slacks and security vest my future goals get Bail Enforcement Agent license and start my own Security and Bail enforcement agent business or expand the family business
@@mattconnolly169 exactly. You can wear a badge and patches that day security or protection officer and people still can't read.
It's called people need to learn to read... I work for one of the larger private security companies in Vegas. Our uniforms CLEARLY state SECURITY all over. Sure, from a distance, I could be confused as a LEO. But, that appearance helps with de-escalation. We look like we can stop you if you don't comply to state/federal laws as well as property policies. I can't count how many times I've been complimented by Metro on how professional the uniform looks.
Now you know. They were secretly jealous. Cops hold us in utter contempt. But if they were do do our job for 6 months i bet they would change their tunes quick.
If they make changes are they going to provide funding to assist these companies in paying for the changes? I mean we are talking about 10’s of thousands of dollars in changes in some cases for companies that have a lot of Officers.
A long time ago police complained about guard uniforms. The legislature wrote a law that said guard uniforms can't look like police uniforms. In my state, the state police regulate guard agency & guard licenses. So the guard uniform is approved by the state before the agency licenses is issued. I have no problem with this. I don't need to look like a cop to do my job. The best deterrent I have, is the firearm I carry. I like not having a police style badge or patch. I like letting the public know I'm just a guard & if you cooperate with me you might not go to jail. For the uncooperative I have OC spray, which I use early & often. My only power is control over the property & my right to use physical force to maintain that control or order. If crimes are committed & the BG gets away. It's the polices job to track them down & arrest them! My job is to observe, use reasonable force to protect or stop the threat, & report. It's the polices job to arrest criminals.
@@Soulcritic A citizens can make a lawful citizens arrest like it or not.
@@edogriff As long as ya don't get your ass kicked by the criminal!
@@Soulcritic which is what the Taser, pepper spray and baton is for.
@@edogriff I guess king kong ain't got nothing on you!
@@Soulcritic Nah I'm not corrupt. Training day was a good movie but not my style.
This is the biggest pile of $h!t I've heard in some time 😂
Its turning in to a us vs them thing
Current rules since video for security in NV.
Prohibited items include, but are not limited to: • The term “Agent”, “Officer” and “Investigator” •
Uniform colors of (forest green/tan), (forest green/black), (navy/navy), (tan/tan), (black/black), yellow shirts, pants with stripes
• Star shaped badges, patches or logos
• Shield shaped patches or logos (Shield shaped badges may be used) • Use of the Nevada State Seal
• Use of a uniform, badge, patch, logo or marked vehicle that are similar or deceptively similar to a law enforcement agency in this State
• The word “Patrol” on marked vehicles
We security gaurds help PD keep things safe and yet they are worried about us?? SINCE WHEN 😂
People who have never been in harm's way will never understand. Some of us face many of the same threats as law enforcement. We have properties in the hood where you can be trespassing two people found smoking meth in a vacant apartment while a teenaged kid gets shot 3 streets down in a gang hit, and next thing you know you're in a stack of police officers pushing up stairs, clearing units, and rendering aid to a gunshot victim.
It's not about impersonation. My uniform says I am a professional, and PD can trust me to have their back when it counts.
Honestly who cares I don't like when cops where are military uniforms.
Private Security doesn't look like anything Metro wears
PFI is very borderline….
Metro I’m not the only law enforcement agency in the area.
@@bigboytexasdownsouth you’re right but it’s who spoke on the stand in this clip, so logically speaking we’re gonna focus on who spoke in the given specific video
As long as our badges and patches don't say police and uniform colors ain't the same most security wear green we wear Black Pants black shoes black undershirt Blue security shirt similar to Valley Metro Light Rail Security
@@phoenixarizona8441why have a badge .?? I can see a shirt that says security and maybe the company you work for but the security badge doesn't do much .
observe and report is for law enforcment observe and protect and defend is security officer
@@SEEKANDSTREAM I was taught detect, deter, defend for security.
They want security guards looking like clowns
Our gear and badges say security and security officer
You wear what your company that hires you to wear via protocol. We are meant to deter, and be seen. We are trained never to wear a State seal, nor ever impersonate and have stringent rules about what we wear patch wise and company wise. The fact anyone is even trying this is abhorrent and naive. This is ridiculous. It’s like they want people to not see us, and not take us seriously. That’s not how this works. These fools need to take the 40hr class, and then G class, and then learn the difference between guards, security officers, security specialists, and so on before questioning and dictating what we wear and why for each unique situation. Why don’t these fools go bother the criminals on the street instead of mess with something that shouldn’t be messed with in the first place. Shame on whoever started this crapshoot. Put them on night watch in a hospital, or plant, or something dark and dangerous and they will quickly learn why uniforms, and safety gear is important. Plus the pay to strip us of our tools which includes uniforms isn’t enough. What we need is more protection, and pay. And how about some damn respect!
@@JenSecOp let me guess you work unarmed security in Florida and your security company is hands off?
A lot of these Security/Public Safety Officers are commissioned, meaning they have Police powers while they are on duty. We are governed by our local police department, they make us train at their Police academy.
Not in Vegas lmfao. Most of these guys in the Vegas Valley are morons who shouldn’t even be carrying in the first place. So many people are incompetent with crappy baseline PILB firearms training and nothing more.
Not in Vegas…
How about learning to read 'security'? I mean, if the uniform says 'security' and the city can't tell the difference between police and security, then there needs to be another board hearing on comprehension, lol.
Well, hope I am not very late to discuss that, but I am a security officer(here we are called Vigilantes) in Brazil, I have a major degree in law(my company demands at least a 4 year bachelor's degree) and I am now graduating a MBA in Private Security, I've been working as a registered security officer since 2001, and for the last 12 years I've been as VSPP(bodyguard) for a company that serves protective services for politicians primarily, tycoons and PUDTs(Person Under Death Threat). Our company used to send us to a CPO specialized training in USA, with instructors from some former SWAT teams all over America, former US Secret Service agents and former HSI agents, so I know a little bit about how american police organizations works(or should work), as well, how private security companies work, and why there's some states that allow private polices under the name "Special Police", and the history behind it.
I must admit that I am not an expert in Los Angeles or California laws, but I am an expert in Security Officers equipments, I am completelly against a "private police", or "police wannabe" uniforms, and the company I work for, have a tuxedo uniform, our cars aren't marked in high-contrast colors nor have flashing yellow lights, but it have beeing changing for the last 5 years, by the time we are used to carry a concealed weapon, there's a new "fixed position" uniform that is more tacticool, this security agent doesn't escorts the VIP all along, but stays in his house or inside the private condos, and theres a psychological question about that, like it or not, a trespasser, a citizen unhappy with his politician, or someone that have anger issues, were always, always engaging in fight with us using tuxedos, even that we could legally use lethal force(I don't wanna get into details here of why, but remember, brazilian laws are different and depending of what customer we have, some laws may not apply as they should), they would still totaly engage in a fight with us, but when we realized that the other security company were dealing with them, the apparent armor vests and the more tactical gear had a completelly psychological effect on them, and since we adopted this second uniform with an open carry, in plain view revolver, our man-to-man engagements dropped to zero, I can't remember that last time we had to use the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu classes, the same guy with a concealed carry on a tuxedo that would face a trouble, now wearing the tactical gear, just steps in and then things gets quickly de-escalated.
And remember, I am brazilian, but yet I know the difference between a security officer uniform, from a police officer uniform, and in America things are prerry easy, blue lights are reserved for the official police, if I were to point the differences would be a LAPD, NYPD, POLICE, RANGER, SHERIFF or something like that in the back of the vest, if I see "security" or another name, I know that this isn't the official police, it's not that difficult.
And again, I am completelly against security officers posing or impersonating policemen, but wearing a tactical uniform with sober colors, have a psychological impact, despite I an't liking it and really preffering my tuxedo, I can't deny the facts.
Different jobs have different needs and types of uniforms. It’s not all suit and tie buddy. Now if you say your a cop and are not then you are impersonating if you are in your uniform that is correct for your job site your doing your job not posing. Duh
Give the better or same training for security officers.or just have security to wear normal clothes and just call police
0:56 The guys holding his pew pew sideways like it's a rap video 🤯
That's called position Sol. That's not sideways like a rap video.
New York for example has security wearing square/rectangle badges/patches.
Generally, New Jersey armed security officers wear any type of badge, but their uniforms and badges must state that they are armed security officers Level III.
Forget That! have their uniforms look like police officers especially for armed guards. Dont let it say Security Officer let it say "Law Enforcement". Nuff said.
I know of at least 2 local companies that are creating this issue. The overwhelming majority of companies don’t push the boundaries, but these two companies look dangerously close local law enforcement. Why not just stop that. We don’t need to look like local cops to deescalate or address incidents on private property 🙄
Most of us are former law enforcement that couldn’t put up with the politics of law enforcement or poor supervisory staff
A security officer will never call themselves police..
Government always hates a challenge to their monopoly.
Here we go looking for a reason 🤦🏾♂️ I guess shit was a little to quiet they had to shake some shit up stop the bullshit metro..
I’m not sure what they’re looking to change, there’s a vast difference in the color of the uniforms, as well as all of the security officers have markings designated them as security officers. At the places, they are contracted to be at, that badging gun is a deterrent and today more than never it is more necessary to have arm security at these places to at least bridge. The gap until law-enforcement can respond.
How can the board justify taking away the body armor of security that are many times first on the scene?? So long as their patches say SECURITY, what could possibly be the issue??? I'll give a great example. San Francisco used to have "Patrol Specials" basically armed security with arrest powers that worked the neighborhoods and businesses for over a hundred years. The SFPD had a great idea and started making complaints that eventually took all of their authority away, so most of the Patrol Specials went out of business, and now look a San Francisco. Don't let local police ruin your city with pettiness.
Didn't hear them say anything about taking body armor away ...
@@cesarramirez2935 It was on the video. "Protective vests"
@@edogriff wrong they said " look like " they basically said can you change the color. I've done security in 2008 and doing it again honestly Too many think they cops or their words are law . Security are not LEOs . And I know they Purposely try to look like cops sometimes not all but sometimes .
@@cesarramirez2935 do you know how many combinations of uniforms law enforcement wear?
@@cesarramirez2935 how do you wear an external vest or a duty belt and not look like law enforcement? The external vest I wear I can have security plastered on front and back in big lettesr and people will say it looks like law enforcement. Even with a concealed vest and a company name in front and protection officer in the front of a shirt people say it looks like LEO.
As long as you see it printed you good ion see the problem. Especially when you’re labeled
The uniforms I currently wear at my security job are pretty ridiculous. I'm not saying I need to look like a cop, but cmon! Royal Blue shirt with orange trim and khaki pants. I look like tactical Mr. Rogers.
This is ridiculous! Now they gonna make them wear a 2 tone button shirt uniform that makes you look like a pilot.
😅 ffs Not in Florida lol
It’s very simple, identifiers big white letters that say Police or big white letters that say security.
Most of the time police don't show up when security calls them for a dangerous situation. Even the security guard company supervisors don't show up most of the time either
The words printed SECURITY I don’t see how you can confuse that with a patch that says POLICE
"Security" outnumbers "law enforcement" 10+ to 1 (? if not more) Why hassle them for uniforms that are NOT PD?
Government fight against free labor wow
Security is always first responders to everything and almost no credit is given to them. It BS that security risk it all like PD and still get security gets pushed to the side.
Maybe if our literacy rate was higher people would read “security” on their backs.
That's just another reason not to come to Vegas, if you can't tell which is which then Vegas your going to have a real problem,
Bail Bondsmen And Armed Security Been Lookin Like Police 🚨
1:23 Well let's compare the backs of the uniform!!! Of course the look alike!!!
I'll always have way more respect for security.... Police are bullies... Security are protectors
Sounds like a priority 😬
There is a BSIS policy that requires all security to be identified front, back, left and right. It has to be visible and can not replicate law enforcement.
I believe the only change that needs to occur is not the uniform, but the verbiage they use on their uniforms. Security has definitely drifted away from identifying as “SECURITY”
“Tactical Response Team”
“Enforcement Officer”
“Armed Officer”
These are examples of verbiage that shouldn’t be used to identify SECURITY GUARDS.
With the lack of sworn police officers and long police response times the private sector had to and does pick up the slack, only to catch flack from public agencies whining.
Also big differences in proprietary security, and contract. Just saying…
And yet the vast majority of us are contract….proprietary is so limited in Vegas it’s a unicorn position that I wish people would stop bringing up, it won’t happen to the vast majority of us.
If I can't read one saids security officer or guard the other saids police
Security guards need to look it. Cops need to look like cops. If your a security in cop gear and get hit and you hurt someone your done. You dont have that immunity. Security is security deterent not aggressive. You observe and report thats it. Unless your life or someone in front of you is in danger. You step off. Your not a cop or peace officer.
Did she really say people can't tell the difference between cops and security? Perhaps if you're blind or illiterate.
Truthfully they need more power ..cops ain't doing shit
They more concerned about uniforms they criminal . How stupid
Facts
Is this about SPOs or security officers? I’m confused SPO don’t do this dumb shit.
Is it helping prevent crime and increase presence
Security guards job is to observe and report. Security guards have no arrest authority. The liability of being arrested and sued should be a major concern for all security guards as they do not have qualified immunity. Any guard who keeps pushing the agenda really just trying to be more than what they are really tasked to do. If you want to be a cop then go apply at a police department or Sheriff’s office. Let’s stop pretending to be something we will never be and are not supposed to be.
Depends on the state. And just like any civilian you have the right to make a citizen arrest if need be, and the rules that go with it must be followed to a T. You also must have actionable intelligence and knowledge of how to do this to avoid liability. Learn and always have continued education. Security doesn’t just stop with a D/G license. The more certs, and more licenses you have you have better pay, more options and better protections.
This isn't the 80s. Security is changing and advancing. The observe and report only model isn't working when it takes an hour or two or 3 for law enforcement to respond to a violent situation. The security industry needs to change as society changes.
Confusing ? bull shit!
The guy in the thumbnail looks more like a thug
Top flight security 😂
Hell no, wearing a police looking badge and uniform puts us in much more danger on the job.
It's stupid.
They shouldn't make security guard's look like cops.
Those toy cops need to wear the opposite of what a real cop would wear. Theyre over stepping their boundries
So pink shirts and fuzzy handcuffs? Come back to the real world now.
@@edogriff a shirt or color that would show they are not cops is a problem now .?? So ypu admit you want them to look like cops your proving the point .
@@cesarramirez2935 no dude restricting colors is the problem. Police agencies use every color even yellow. So what's left pink?
@@edogriff what's wrong with that ? For a club it would be best the security would obviously stand out so when people need help it's more obvious who to goto ..so Again that's basically admitting fools want security to look like cops when they aren't. Not even Quarter of the training even armed guards only have like 2-3days of range training depending on state again nowhere near enough .
@@cesarramirez2935 Of course security as less training than law enforcement. We don't serve warrants, conduct traffic stops etc. Arrest authority is limited to citizens arrest in most states, use of force laws are the same as other citizens. So we don't need to know nearly the same case law, statutes etc.
Women always argur aboit everything thats why this is an issur
I find it laughable security officers think a badge protects them. Security officers are CIVILIANS NOT COPS!!!
You should NOT be wearing anything emblematic of law enforcement. If you want to wear a badge so bad …. JOIN THE FORCE!!! BECOME A COP!!!
There are Security company’s here in town who have removed UNARMED people AT GUNPOINT (Felony) and wrongfully arrested people. Most of these security officers can’t tell you what the definition of deadly physical force is, yet they wear a gun and some even carry AR’s (FACTS)!!!
As for the ballistic armor they wear … I don’t have any issue with these as many times Security is first on the scene however, this still doesn’t mean they need to wear a badge!!!
@@thomasnicolosi7317 In Nevada they have to go through a state mandated course to get licensed to carry firearms like most other states. I like how people with no real knowledge or experience assume what the training requirements are. The badge is an identifier they are clearly marked with security officer, protection officer etc. Should firemen stop wearing badges too because they aren't law enforcement?
@@edogriff a Cape is an identifier too genius. Should they wear a Cape too?
A good Security officer must know how to de-escalate a situation. Unlike what's said in the video, in today's environment, the uniform and badge seem to be more of a catalyst for the haters and those looking to get rich with frivolous lawsuits!!!
There's too many of the proverbial "wannabe cops" out there who certainly should NOT be wearing anything emblematic of an active Law Enforcement Officer!!!!
If it takes a uniform, and/or especially a badge, to garner "respect" from the local citizens like stated in the video .... maybe they should don a skin-tight jump suit, a small mask with built in ears for wonder boy hearing,I ķ jo pa fancy belt and a BADGE emblazoned on their chest and protect our cities, our towns, hell the entire state, from all the crime and crazies roaming our streets and lurking in the darkness.
I'm assuming you work security? I say this as you become a slight bit TRIGGERED (no pun intended) to people's statements and/or views of these and other Security guards!!!!
Stay safe BATMAN!!!!
@@edogriff you got me sir. I have no real knowledge.
You might as well get get Congress to pass the federal law to make all private security guards across the whole country cuz across the whole country they all look like law enforcement
The federal government should also defund the police departments across the country. If your gonna do this to security
This is dumb
Yeah take away their firearms too cuz they don't need to carry firearms either
Some of these wannabe police should just join the force instead of playing dress up 💯
Some try but can't
@@eduardoescalante1437hmm why not?
@@johndoe9134PT/Fitness - The psychological exam, something in their background (pre-employment criminal background investigations or their credit), a variety of reasons
I’ll say most security in Vegas are worthless and the vast majority of these yahoos shouldn’t be armed to begin with
get a life with 1 like and you jump out their and be a security officer one day.
@@johndoe9134 thats a stupid question