How Chigusa Nagayo and Dump Matsumoto Made Joshi Wrestling #1 In Japan
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- In the mid '80s Joshi Puroresu would transcend wrestling thanks to the feud between Chigusa Nagayo and Dump Matsumoto, attracting a wholly new audience to prime time programming. Here's a look back at two of the biggest Joshi wrestlers ever, their stunning and emotional matches, and some things that happened behind the scenes.
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0:00 Intro
1:53 A Brief History of Joshi's Early Years
6:23 Chigusa and Matsumoto: A Shared Struggle in the Dojo
10:21 The Crush Gals Become Superstars
13:54 Dump Matsumoto: The Most Hated Heel on Earth
17:58 Nagayo vs Matsumoto I: Hair vs. Hair - Pain
26:21 Nagayo vs Matsumoto II: Hair vs. Hair - Vengeance
31:16 Mandatory "Retirements" and a sort of Closure
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Dump's real name is Kaoru, not Hiroyo. Hiroyo Matsumoto is a totally different person.
Imagine getting punched in the face, by the security guard paid to defend you.
When kayfabe was alive that’s how you knew who the top heel was
Okay, this is driving me nuts. Dump Matsumoto's real first name is Kaoru, not Hiroyo. Hiroyo Matsumoto is a totally different wrestler.
I'm currently reading a manga based on an autobiography by Dump Matsumoto. It's called "Dump the heel" and drawn by Hara Hidenori. There are currently 5 volumes out in japanese. I highly recommend them because they are fun and have plenty of action & drama behind the scenes. Like you explained in the video, Chigusa Nagayo and Dump Matsumoto were really good friends at the beginning of their career as newcomers in the Doujo for example, and Matsumoto has been bullied by some of her elders. Later there was a rift between Chigusa and Matsumoto because of the rumors spread by the company chairman. I don't know if all of this was really true, but it makes the manga more entertaining to read. There's no English translation I'm aware of though, but I still encourage you to order the volumes from Japan. I'm sure you'd like them.
Bruno losing the WWWF title to Ivan Koloff could almost rival this.
Story goes that it took a few seconds for it to set in that the vastly loved Bruno actually lost to the point you could hear a pin drop in Madison Square Garden. The shock was the only thing that saved Ivan's hide so he took the opportunity to race out of the ring to the point that he wasn't even awarded the belt in ring.
Just 6 minutes into the video, and I need to say something: "... women's wrestling being treated as legitimately as men's wrestling was, and in Japan at least, that became a reality." This bit unfortunately wasn't the case at all, as Joshi was very much pigeonholed as "something for girls", since Fumiake had brought AJW back to TV, to the point when Dave Meltzer first wanted to go to AJW shows, his Japanese friends were shocked, as they told him that was for for teenage girls.
Just that. Otherwise I'm enjoying the video, and will watch it to the end.
Legends ! Aspiring female wrestlers should watch this and more 80s and 90s Joshi promotions . They could learn a lot . Even if WWE isnt looking for that style exactly , there is so much they could still take from it and make their own . The more tools you have in your tool box the better .
Nagayo doesnt deserve to be a legend
@@elcondoropinologo9821 What do you mean?
@@duckmercy11 She was a abusive person that do atroccities
@@elcondoropinologo9821 Everyone was abusive back then though. That's wrestling for you. They were trying to make everyone mentally strong. Chigusa still trains women to this day and I haven't heard any recent complaints, so I'm sure she's cooled it down.
@@elcondoropinologo9821 doesn't mean they didn't influence and change the wrestling landscape for the better, that's also usut hearsay.
Please do a video on Maeda, Takada, and the whole Shoot style system.
Hey Kim Justice! I've been a big fan of your wrestling videos since the days before you were forced to moved them away from your main channel and into a Patreon account.
Seeing your new video with subtitles, I would be curious to know if you would be interested in having other people translating them in other languages. I think it could be helpful for you to make your videos more accessible
That leg trap backdrop bridging pin at 21:41 was sick as hell ! Somebody needs to steal that move !
It's amazing how much Joshi puro shaped the movesets of others
Although AJW is considered the best era of Joshi wrestling. It's unfortunate how badly the talent were treated and with low pay. Considering they're arguably the best wrestlers of all time. Dump Matsumoto, Bull Nakano, Chigusa, Akira Hokuto, inoue. They're top tier
Good video I'll say, and I particularly liked how you highlighted how absurdly toxic the AJW locker room (and how it would be for the promotion's entire existence), how much that had an effect on both Chigusa and Dump, and how the Matsunagas manipulated their stars. Those were all factors for what they became. The analogy of Chigusa standing as an avatar for all schoolgirls, and Dump one for ever school bully, was also a major factor for the success of the feud, and you did a good job of highlighting that.
One correction I'd like to point out is that the match between Lioness and Jaguar wasn't on the same show as the first Hair vs Hair match, they both happened on August '85, but Lioness/Jaguar was on the 22th in Tokyo (Chigusa wrestled Devil on this show), while the Hair match was on the 28th in Osaka. Something else I want to note is that, from what I know, the 76-78 peak of the Beauty Pair was bigger than the Crush Girls', with bigger TV ratings, and bigger shows too (for example, they ran Budokan Hall, a 16000 sets arena three times during the 70's, 77, 78 and 79, whereas they only booked it once in the 80's, the aforementioned August 22th, '85 show).
Great job regardless, so feel proud about yourself.
I don't know live gates from the 70s but the TV ratings in the Crush Gals era were much, much higher, like 12.0 consistently. The 90s also had bigger gates including the Tokyo Dome, doesn't mean they were bigger overall.
You could also point at the rise of other Joshi promotions around this time like OZ Academy eating into AJWs popularity..
@@supersasukemaniac Not OZ Academy, as from 1998 to 2004 it was just a number of shows that Ozaki promoted herself using GAEA wrestlers, and basically being GAEA-Not-GAEA shows.
It only became an independent promotion in 2005, after both GAEA and AJW closed down.
That being said, the oversaturation of the market (there were 7 competing Joshi Puroresu promotions in 1998) certainly had an impact, though AJW was struggling as early as 1994, as per what Jaguar Yokota has stated on interviews.
The 1985 Hair vs Hair matches is incredible. You don't need to know anything they are saying cause it's just so intense
I am writing this one day after Stardom Midsummer Festival, an event I attended live, which featured Dump 3rd to last on the card, teaming with Zapp and Natsuko Tora and Ruaka of Oedo Tai. Crowd was ELECTRIC for Dump, even though she mostly did her big spots and rested the other half of the match… but those big spots were epic. I want to thank you, Kim, for your videos, giving me (and all of us) context for joshi wrestling and puro in general. You made me a bigger wrestling fan than I was.
Stardom Midsummer Festival was such a good show.
Awesome video once again! And I been a fan of Joshi wrestling when my uncle shown it to me when i was 10. And STARDOM is my favorite wrestling show.
Nagayo and Matsumoto are still going today, albeit on a semi-retired basis.
It has been 2 months since this video. Hope you didn't decide to stop this project, it was awesome :(.
Love your wrestling vids!
Fantastic work, Kim!
Wow this video are so insanely underrated. Thank you for these! I've learned so much
Kim love thanking for giving us another wrestling channel❤❤❤❤
One of the best wrestling clips I have watched to.
I hope you continue to entertain us with your wonderful videos
Huge fan of your other channel and content 😎 now a fan of this one. Keep up the great work 🥳
You are such a good storyteller.
Jaguar/Asuka and Chigusa/Dump weren't on the same card. Was Chigusa/Devil
An excellent watch! Will go watch the match now.
Nice video, thanks. All Japan Women were on fire in the mid 80s and into the early 90s and it's good to hear the history behind it. Great stuff
Another gem KJ. I remember in the early days of home cable, a small network named Tempo used to carry Women's Wrestling from Japan featuring the tag team of Dump Masumoto and Bull Nakano. It was wild and better than anything the US men's shows had to offer.
Watching this after the Netflix announcement and now I’m so excited for this show
LETS GO HELL YES
Its still very weird to me that Lioness was as big if not bigger than Chiggy-san in their own time, but history has relegated her to Marty Janety status.
In a strange coincidence, I have recently been going through episodes of AJW Classics from the beginning, got to the first hair vs. hair match and was immediately so blown away that I had to upload it to RUclips because there wasn't a good quality version on here. So here you go if you want to watch the match and post-match in full: ruclips.net/video/OOc2S04YiC0/видео.html
I remember seeing an 80s wrestler named Devil Nogai wrestle on pro wrestking this week with Joe Pedicino.
Kim! You ALWAYS make a great video, your research is impeccable! Thank you sir!
Best hair vs hair i ever saw was Mary vs Faby Apache at triplemania.
Being new to wrestling learning about the history of Joshi wrestling is interesting. Thanks to videos like these I get to satisfy that gap of knowledge. Thanks wrestling fans!
One question though, does anyone know which match is showed in 32:35 ? Is it cutie suzuki?
Nevermind, it was " Chigusa Nagayo & Cutie Suzuki VS Plum Mariko & Devil Masami "
Never heard of a mandatory retirement age before, times man
The Idol Industry in Japan does that, same age too, once you hit 27 as an Idol your considered too old and should retire.
Japanese cultural thing lol, Christmas Cake principle says you're not desirable anymore after 25
@@MrBlazemaster525 ahh the DiCaprio rule
Here's the unfortunate truth about Joshi. They wrestle so hard for such long matches that their bodies inevitably break down. There are exceptions, but taking Bull Nakano for example, she debuted in 83 at age 15. By the time she retired in 97 at age 29, her body had broken down, and from 93 onward she could be considered semi-retired and wrestling more in the US. Joshi rode two major highs with The Beauty Pair and Crush Gals, both whom their fans saw as singers/idols who just so happened to also be wrestlers (and were teenagers watching the hip, cool thing). Along with them were some incredibly talented women, but Japanese wrestling being what it is, it meant short careers littered with injuries (and not taking care of their bodies). Joshi wrestling is and always will be niche, and nowadays people know the behind the scenes horror stories, and likely can't stand watching it or don't want their daughters getting involved. I still enjoy Joshi, but it's difficult to watch sometimes knowing what I do now.
Eh, all wrestlers bodies eventually break down, and career length in current Joshi is probably longer than it's ever been. Also, there were three booms if you include the interpromotional wars of the early 90s, and it's a little silly to call it niche given how big the Beauty Pair and Crush Gals were. Even as far back as the 50s they were selling out small arenas and had TV coverage.
@@duckmercy11 Beauty Pair and Crush Gals were nearly half a century ago. Joshi hasn't been massively popular in thirty years, and those interpromotional wars didn't exactly last very long. Joshi got BIG among teenage girls for about a decade, but even then, the girls didn't make a whole lot of money. Manami Toyota is probably the greatest Joshi of all-time, but even she admitted recently that her body was already breaking down before the age of 25 in 97, and now spends her days drinking alone to make the pain go away. Athletes' bodies breaking down in their mid-twenties is not normal.
reminds me of hardcore wrestling promotions like ECW, a lot of them have broken bodies and weren't paid much at all
Bull Nakano is the GOAT 🐐
Don't ask me why but when she was younger, I thought she was very attractive.
She was a PRO-WRESTLER
@@PontFlairyou're far from the only one. Even the Macho Man had a thing for her.
Nice
I wonder if Dump Matsumoto Bull Nakano team up they certainly would have been a very scary tag-team that's for sure
They were a tag team in several matches.
Nakano was a flunkie in Matsumoto's Atrocious Alliance faction. She broke out as a major singles star after Matsumoto retired.
They wrestled in the WWF in the 80's.
Kim your doing so good today. Don't get drunk on hyperbole and make these women out to be better than they were. They are great, but you get carried away sometimes
Who is the wrestler the Kim said was the most innovative jackie something. I want to try to read up on everything she innovated
Jackie Sato. Sato was a big star, they even made a short movie about her tag team called "Beauty Pair: A Genuine Youth", but Jaguar Yokota was more innovative in the ring. Yokota invented the suplex powerslam (Goldberg's jackhammer) and trained most of the top joshi stars of the 80s and 90s.
Can you do Bull Nakano?
Dump vs Chigusa was not the same night as Lioness vs. Jaguar. Chigusa wrestled Devil Masami that night for the All Pacific Tile in the semi main event.
That promoter really "worked the boys" hard.
This is back when Aja Kong was thin
How do the joshi rules explain away wrestlers beating the ever loving shit out of the referees and using weapons in the ring without DQs?
A mandatory retirement age of 26 is absolutely crazy lmao
What's the story behind that weird rule about the retirement age of 26?
Japanese misogynistic culture
You're apparently not desirable anymore once you hit 26
The Beauty Pair were bigger stars than the Crush Gals.
Damn
Damn!
Damn!
When did the term joshi start. Never heard it
It's just the Japanese word for female.
While it's great to see the history, IMO there's way too much meta-discussion in this video. You don't need to tell us what you could have included, what you didn't include, what you had to include, etc -- just present the information.
a lot of misinfo in this video. i appreciate the effort but the facts need checking.
Why one Earth would you retire athletes just getting near their prime? I'm sure there is some ingrained cultural (sexist) reason, but it seems a waste.
You are absolutely correct. The guys on top of AJW took the traditional belief that after reaching 26, the wrestlers should retire so that they could go and be a wife, have kids and so on. Similar to the idol system.
Bro are you saying this double jannetty tag team drew more dimes than hulk Hogan?
And here comes the shilling. It's impossible for more than one wrestler to be the MOST influential wrestler in joshi. Dial it back Kim.
English dudes shouldn’t narrate stuff like this!
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I lost a lot of respect of Nagayo after her altercation with Reggie Bennett in their match.