Vintage MTG Unrestriction Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2021
- Vintage MTG Unrestriction Tier List via / iamactuallylvl1
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1:47 Fast Mana + Power
3:26 3 Ball
3:54 Merchant Scroll
5:10 Demonic Tutor
6:23 Chalice
8:20 Flash
11:20 Brainstorm
13:06 Delve
14:25 Desire
16:48 Ponder
19:00 Top Deck Tutors
19:26 Balance
21:00 Mentor
22:40 Channel
24:40 Necro
26:30 Gush
27:40 Windfall
28:30 Thorn
30:20 Mystic Forge
31:52 Imperial Seal
32:25 Lodestone
32:50 Probe
33:18 Mistep
36:38 Gravetroll
37:30 Yawg Will
41:18 Wheel
41:30 LED
41:10 Memory Jar
44:35 Time Vault
46:19 Library
47:45 Petal
48:21 Karn Academy and Narset 
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You smoked me in the origins event today. It was my only loss. Glad I found your content since there’s basically no vintage vids on RUclips.
Haven't played magic in like two years, never played vintage. Loved the video, was fun to learn about past and present vintage in a non-lecture way.
I wish there was a format like vintage, but with a point system like canadian highlander, just with 4-ofs and way more points.
I really like your list and agree with most of your reasoning behind the placement of cards. There are just a few things that I wanted to point out that were not mentioned in the video.
I would say that the biggest thing against Lotus petal would probably be that it makes the turn 1 glass cannon decks (Belcher, undercity informer) a lot more consistent. Not that those decks would be dominant, but just having them being viable would be bad for gameplay quality.
I don't think anything else would care much about having access to a full playset (unless Mind's Desire and/or wheel/Timetwister were also unrestricted).
Necropotence is barely playable, I doubt Doomsday would play more than 2 and Ritual storm doesn't become all of a sudden dominant with multiple Necros, since its issues are in other areas than the going off part. Maybe TPS becomes a playable deck again? I would consider unrestricting it.
Mind's Desire is mostly fine to be honest, it does require a huge amount of setup and commitment to be good. Many decks that could run it don't even bother anymore (see PO and most recent iterations of DPS). The only big issue with Desire is the semi uncounterability part which makes it somewhat risky (although there are many ways to answer it). Desire into Desire seems absurd in a vacuum, but it's pretty much the same result as Desire into any bomb. It's not at all a consistent turn 1 play like Land, mox, mox > draw7 I just forced you to mulligan on the play, "welcome to the coin flip oops I win format".
It's fundamentally pretty similar to Paradoxical Outcome, albeit more powerful but requiring more setup. What would a 4x Desire deck even look like at this point and how would it be better than PO or Doomsday? Most people are heavily biased by the intrinsic raw power of the card, similar to Yawg will, but a lot less people have any experience playing with the card in recent years so they end up having an opinion that's even more out of phase with reality.
Flash is hot garbage, same weakness to grave hate (which will be forever auto includes in every sideboard) as breach but many more constraints in deck building while also getting hit by flusterstorm and Pyroblast. Hulk flash is definitely outdated (even though the combo has gotten a lot more slot efficient). Rector Omni was always clunky and has been power crept so much, that it seems unlikely it would be a problem even with 4x flash. It's probably a fairly safe unrestriction, especially as long as brainstorm, merchant scroll and ponder stay restricted. It just requires too much to make a consistent deck that can also fight the attrition war vs other blue decks. Wincons and hate have gotten a lot better since Flash's heyday, whereas the core card that enabled it to be consistent got nuked with it (Brainstorm, Ponder & Merchant Scroll). It would probably end up being worse than Breach or similar at best.
Monastery Mentor is just too good of a finisher for Xerox decks, extremely difficult to answer and requires little to no concessions in deck building. I am pretty sure it does not see that much play because it's hard to justify splashing white for just one mentor and saga is much better for Tinker decks.
It was by far and away the best threat when it was printed to the point of consolidating as the wincon of choice in the metagame Gush deck or not, I am not sure that is still the case today though.
Other than that, the real problem with mentor was mainly the draw engine behind it. It could probably be unrestricted in the future as more powerful creatures will inevitably be printed, but it would probably still warp the format again today.
Mystical tutor is only playable because of Tinker, there was a point in time where it was basically unplayable. It probably doesn't belong in the same league as Vamp, demonic tutor and the other broken stuff it's with.
Probe and Misstep belong right alongside with Gush, Delve, Chalice, Golem and Narset. Let's never play in a format with 4 of those ever again.
This made me want to rewatch old vods from the Duel Decks: Narset vs Karn era
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I didn't even know MemJar was restricted!
Interesting list - you noted at some point that you're a fan of trying cards out, while still being fully willing to re-restrict if necessary. Considering that, I'm kinda surprised that your list of cards you're actually willing to unrestrict is so limited. Channel, Seal, Jar, Windfall are almost certainly just bad cards, the Thorn swap is fairly uninteresting even if it's a good idea, which leaves just Library and Yawg Will (and Yawg Will is pretty questionable, even though it sounds fun). The next 2 categories are basically "I wouldn't unrestrict these," which is a pretty significant jump.
If you had made another category, which ones would you try out? I'd try Petal, LED, Scroll, Flash, Necro, Yawg (separately). Maybe there isn't a lot of potential upside to Flash/Scroll, but the others at least might give storm the gas it needs to be viable again.
Those all sound totally fine to try. All those cards got talked about a good bit and floated between a variety of tiers. I think starting with 7 unrestrictions is fine :D
Hey, as long as every archetype gets one card it's probably balanced. If it isn't, throw Balance on the list too and call it a day
i am super curious what your current modern eggs list is it is my all time favorite deck but wasn’t aware that any playable lists still existed
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Biggest fear is channel letting shops emptying their hand on turn 1
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I think the one potential counterargument on the safes is I don't know if you can do BOTH channel and jar at the same time.
If part of the idea is we don't want the legacy wheel deck to exist, then I think this gets too close or there.
I just don't think anything good can come from a world where you have 4 channel 4 jar in the same deck, since part of the thing you want to do in channel is draw 7s and get to mirror. The addition of jar makes that so much more consistent that I think it becomes an actual thing and is just bad news bears in the format.
its possible that would be bad for sure. Though 2 card combo is alot worse than just wheeling and dealing
@@IamActuallyLvL1 fair.
Though maybe part of me is just imagining the worst-case nightmare scenario of t1 channel karn, karn finds lattice health cast lattice and I just want literal nothing to do with that.
40:20 i think yawg wills 2-4 just increase the number of insane non games that end in 1-2 turns
Yawg Will is almost never cast on turns 1 or 2 and the decks that want to are not currently viable and usually have 5-7 tutors that can find it. Having more than one ends in more dead draws than the little upside you get from having multiple copies.
@@romeomargot-picquendar1281 i didnt say on turns 1 or 2, i said games where nothing matters because someone draws yawgwill and wins that turn or the one after
@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS So you don't want games to be decided in the span of one critical turn? If that's the case, I have to wonder whether Vintage is the right format for you. Because that's usually what happens in most match-ups.
Also a game decided by a yawgwill topdeck is definitely not a game where nothing mattered, if it got to the point of topdeck wars it could have gone either way.
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flash is untouchable now because of atraxa
yup
@@IamActuallyLvL1being an instant speed 0 mana kill with hulk should make it alr untouchable tbh
why is no one mentioning madness for LED
Every card is like a long debate and then you have 36:38 and 47:41 😂
Why is wheel of fortune un-unrestrictible, do any meta decks even play it right now?
Thetr was just a period of time where hullbreacher + wheels was the best deck. Over all moxen into wheel just isnt a good play pattern
It's not very prevalent at all, but it has the potential to go haywire with multiple copies. It's probably even less safe than Timetwister to be honest, due to all the nasty things you can do with your graveyard.
The 3 mana Draw7s increase the coin flip factor too much, which is one of the biggest turn-offs and the same reason why Chalice, Golem and co are so egregious.
No one wants to play a format where you either have to be on the play or mull to Mindbreak Trap.
I think you are way too conservative with all your rankings. Also: Mentor means no Lurrus.
Things have changed alot since this was recorded
@@IamActuallyLvL1any chance we see an update to this tierlist at any point?
highly disagree on Time Vault, unrestricting that will make blue thinker deck competitive again in a meta that's dominated by artifact destruction, ouphe, spree, etc.
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Blue Tinker is far and away the best Decks in Vintage right now
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@@IamActuallyLvL1 I didn't say Blue Tinker is garbage but it has become so easy to shut down due to all the artifact hate around that I believe unrestricting Vault won't be that devastating, will just increase the odds of settling a combo with a card that's otherwise kind of useless
Why would u want to buff the best deck?
@@IamActuallyLvL1 is it really buffing though? imho the worst that can happen is that it will become an archetype of its own within the Blue Tinker family, like PO, 8cast, etc