Building a CNC Router in my Small Workshop
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Plans & Templates for the over arm dust collector can be found here:
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I'm also now selling some of the 3D printed parts featured in this video including both 3D printing files and finished parts including:
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Videos on building the over arm dust collector:
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• DIY Table Saw Dust Col...
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Marius Hornberger spoilboard - • Making new and better ...
Crafted Workshop spoilboard - • Getting my new CNC DIA...
CNC machine is the AVID 2448 PRO.
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Real nice! It’s a lot of fun using our brains. 🙂
For 1-off hobby work, such a CNC machine is a toy. For repetitive work, it's life-changing. I can see bits and pieces of the work and ingenuity of other RUclipsrs in your work. It's like you learned from their mistakes and combined their best successes. Congratulations on building a wonderful tool and a great, inspiring video. And throw that little Makita in my direction!
It's the best way for some types of minds to learn. We all make mistakes we need to learn from. It's great to be able to learn those mistakes through others. I wish more people applied this to their lives. Instead of seeing the internet as mostly entertainment. We live in an amazing time.
@@TioDave Totally agree!
It's how we Americans could start taking our production capacity back from China/Asia. Unfortunately Congress has already caught wind of this. They are fielding a "Professionals Act", where you have to a licensed professional to do any work like this, if the product is for sale. Your business has to have the same credentials as any large factory, even if you are a sole proprietor working in your garage. They will not tolerate traditional small job shops anymore. Enforcement? They are targeting the entities that put makers in front of customers. "Sorry we cannot buy from you anymore... you aren't a certified supplier, you failed your inspection, you do not have a same sex bathroom."
@@debbiestimac5175 It was very sad to read that Debbie, but you are only the messenger. Our government wants to make everyone dependent on them and to make so many laws that everyone becomes a criminal. When you're a criminal, they've got you... bow to them or they will prosecute.
@@Bob_Adkins I've spent a lot of time keeping track of government regulations for businesses, so they can plan for the future. One of my earliest bad news for you reports was to a man that had grown his metal machining business from a garage to the largest capacity horizonal bed capacity east of the Mississippi. 48 feet or something, he could mill an aluminum block the size of a semi-trailer. NAFTA killed his business shortly after it was passed. Eastern Europe and China used their old Soviet Bloc equipment for making tanks and ship parts, to take every contract away from him. He was overleveraged from a decade of making millions a year and enjoying it instead of saving. He went bankrupt and put a bullet in his head. He had only an 8th grade education, but was getting massive contracts from Boeing, etc. You have to wonder how many self made men and women they have destroyed, with their anti-free market legislation.
4:30 ... I just felt that. High five.
Really nicely done and informative video. Btw, the results of your "rabbit hole" time lapse effort in filming your 3-D printer is much appreciated by this new subscriber at least!
Nice build Justin, it's great using CNC, for me it's Occupational Therapy to keep brain active in retirement. I was always employed in engineering and IT disciplines, so CNC CAD/CAM came naturally to me and I enjoy design as much as carve processes. The artistry is in the design, the CNC allows you to replicate copies. It's still woodwork ,& art combination!
Mine is only 4040 size, but I have spinal injury so had to keep everything smaller scale.
Think we'll see lots of perfect dovetail & box joints. Bit difficult on mine as it's in an enclosure so very limited height available.
Snap!
Loved the 3d print time lapse and the whole video! Hope you're enjoying your new CNC
Thanks Robert!
Well, apparently I’m from the camp that says “Holy CRAP, that is so cool!”. This looks so fun, and in my opinion, the more fun your woodworking is, the better your work is. Heck, there was a day when folks looked down their nose at the “block plane”. They all catch up eventually.
Enjoy.
This is by far the best I've ever seen on RUclips! Very impressive!
Old Andersen slider for the barn doors? Great idea!!! Sweet machine. You remind me of my son. He has a couple of machines and understands all that stuff. Thanks for you effort. I know it takes a lot to put a video together.
Congrats on the new machine! Few thoughts:
1: You missed the Matthias Wandel school of thought on CNC routers: unless you're making a bunch of the part, or it's something really complicated, you could probably make it a lot faster without the CNC. There's all the time spent on CAD and CAM, plus the setup and cutting time, as well as whatever cleanup you need to do afterwards. The cutting time is worse if you have to actively monitor the CNC or chase the bit with a vacuum.
I think I mostly fall into this camp. Remember, the tool with the highest material removal rate is a saw. Any time you can remove the waste as a single or small number of large chunks is much better than turning it into chips or dust. CNC is great for some things, but there's plenty of times at work where I really wish I had a manual mill where I could be done with my part faster than it takes to just do my CAM, but we only have a CNC mill.
2: That wasn't your first time making G code. Your 3d printer runs on G code as well. I don't know if you ever manually review or edit G code for your prints, but it's a useful skill and applies equally to CNC routers. Being able to understand what your code is trying to do is really important when diagnosing errors or trying to figure out why it's doing what it is.
3: Label your dowel holes. Whenever I make a fixture at work, I engrave instructions and/or info on them. I highly recommend you do the same with your dowel holes on any future spoil boards, and you can still use a sharpie to label dimensions and what not without taking anything apart or changing any dimensions. This will save you time on counting out holes and keep you from making mistakes by accidentally using the 15% angle hole when you wanted 20%. Sharpie on aluminum isn't very durable, especially with flood coolant, but it will soak into the MDF and be very permanent.
4: Machine weight and vibration. That router looks very light. I would look into adding significant weight, to reduce vibrations and increase rigidity. The frame looks reasonably beefy, but it looks like you could move the whole thing by yourself. Attaching more weight to the fixed parts of the frame will make help.
5: Exposed linear rails. I'm somewhat concerned about those exposed rails getting dusty and damaging the bearings. I would look into some sort of way covers, probably with plastic bellows or sliding telescoping sections.
6: Most importantly, stay safe and have fun!
Really great thoughts in this comment! I agree on most accounts. I would like to add a lower shelf and load it up with weight. I also considered bolting it to the floor. I never had the need to review gcode on my 3D printer but I do see the value in it on the CNC router. I have been adding some commands manually at the end of the gcode to move the spindle out of the way when it's done. I have not seen anyone cover the linear rails on this machine but it's something to condsider. Covering them would also keep me from getting greasy from accidentally touching them!
@@JustinDepew another G-code habit you might want to pick up is to put in comments at the start of your code the tools you need (and what length of protrusion), what the starting material looks like and how it's aligned/mounted, and the program time. I know you're doing manual tool changes and probably don't have much tool shank to choke up on for now, but good habits are good. I also don't know what your workflow looks like, but mine is to do CAM, generate my G-code and add my comments, then save that to a floppy to take to the room with the CNC, so having my tool list, program time, and instructions makes it a lot easier to come back a month or more late and be able to run the same program without having to go back to look at my CAM. I'm also using SolidWorks for CAM, which is pretty awful, but comes with our SolidWorks license, so anything to save me from needing to go through that to try and figure out how to run things.
Your return to home gcode is also a pretty great idea, especially for a machine without a handwheel attached to the front.
A CNC machine is like any other tool. Sometimes it’s appropriate for a specific task but not always. Some woodworkers get seduced into spending lots of time on programming and setting up to make a cut that they could have done quicker using different tools.
I must say that it looks funny when a machine is doing the work and a human is following the cutter as the dust collector.
I was sitting around watching a bunch of sales and engineering people puzzle over the price they were going to quote a job for *two* pieces. It was a trapezoid, basically, with one side that wasn't orthogonal. After hearing the third or fourth proposal about what machine to run it on, I couldn't stand it anymore and I said "Just no-quote it. It's too hard. I could have made one by now on a Bridgeport and you're still worrying about getting a quote to the customer by the end of the week, f**k!"
lol, i never thought of it that way.
Who gets to decide on what machine to use Raskolnikov?
Thank you we love it !
You are definitely a sharp tool Justin. Great work and congrats on making that goal. That is the entire premise of The Bill Paying Hobbyists; using our skill sets and crafty budgeting to meet our financial goals. Again, great work and I commend you on your ingenuity. Keep it up and thank you for sharing.
Awhsum video. I myself am just new at the cnc adventure. being 72 yrs old I didn’t know how much I was willing to spend
on this venture but I am glad that I have tried this. I really enjoy making thing with it, and I really enjoyed your video and
Fresh look at how you are going to use it. Proud of you my friend. keep up the good work.
I am a retired Marine Engineer who works with everything metal; however, I watched your channel and enjoyed your enthusiasm and techniques so much that I am subscribing to your channel, with an open mind to see where it leads me. I do from time to time have to work with wood and enjoy doing so but as I said, metal is really my thing. I am interested to see where this journey leads me. Thank you for sharing your exciting moment with us and at that price, it must have taken a lot of hard work earning the money to purchase this machine, no wonder you were so excited, and I am interested to see what you do with it. The sky’s the limit I guess for you. Thanks once again.
I'm sure we can learn from each other! Hope to see you around.
Great video! When I've had these "purists" spout off, I've said to them, "Look at every period in woodworking and what you'll see is the craftsman using every single tool and technique available to them at the time. The reason techniques advanced is because the 'non-purists' tried to find faster and easier ways to do things. Do you honestly think that if the early woodworkers had been offered a table saw they would have said no? You can choose a period in woodworking history in which to make yourself stuck in, but it doesn't mean those who use modern technologies aren't 'real woodworkers' any more than those who first used a table saw in the Shaker days weren't real woodworkers."
Well said!
Facts
Would you rather be touching wood and developing fine motor skills in your hands and body or typing on a computer terminal....choices.
Ha ha, Just for the record there were no new tools for woodworking from Roman times to around 1800 with exception to perhaps the spokeshave that came along in the 1500's. At first many tradesmen did not embrace powered machines as it put them out of work. And even when they did they still had to handle the material through the process . For many people CNC type work is not woodworking because you do not have to have any skill or grow any skill to make anything as its just done for you by the machine whilst you read your book . They also produce rather soulless identical items and in the case of lasers all with the same black edge. But its horses for courses but for me and many like me I cannot see what the point of CNC work is unless your going to make a lot of boring stuff to sell to soulless punters
Hi from the One Handed Maker.
I just met someone with a great CNC and Laser cutter and we are scheming about what to make together.
Looking forward to more videos.
Regards James
Camp 4: I’m a software engineer by day so prefer to avoid computering when woodworking … maybe I’ll go CNC when I retire and get the best of both worlds 🤔
Interesting thought and I don't blame you at all!
Are you one of the people who reject “electronic shifting” in favour of mechanical RD on their bicycle? :-)
@@EditioCastigata I probably wouldn’t want it, no. A colleague & keen cyclist once ruined a day away by propping his bike such that buttons were pressed all the way … dead battery on arrival, no way to change gears, oh dear. The advantages (whatever they are) wouldn’t be worth the extra complexity for me - I’m happy with my manually operated hub gears ;-)
Lol I understand that.... I'm an electrician and have 3 new high end ceiling fans to put up in my house.... I put one up and that's as far as I got and that was 3 years ago lol
Same here. But I suppose our goals are different. We are looking at woodworking as an escape and the results are not important as long as we enjoy the process.
You can't use metal to shape wood, that's cheating! Great addition to the shop, looks like a lot of fun and super useful.
Be careful that when your soft loose brush fibers get caught in your endmill, your collector may get ripped to pieces in a second. There are stiffer and shorter brushes available for added safety
CNC is a good tool. Just like any other tool, getting results from it is dependent on your familiarity with it's ability. Depending on what you make in the workshop, it can be a great addition to expand and speed workflow. It also can hugely increase efficiency when cutting larger plywood pieces, as you can plan and cut so much more closely to other compound shapes than with other methods.
i've had pretty bad luck with press fits into PLA (no idea if that's what you're using), due to creep over time loosening the grip. if you run into the same issue, one thing i've found that works really well is instead of a tight press fit, fully embed the magnet in the part. you just have to figure out the right g-code for pausing the print on the right layer (super easy with PrusaSlicer if your printer supports M601); the idea is that you insert a pause right before the layer where it would start covering up the magnet, so when it pauses you can insert the magnets and resume. looks like you have a steel print bed, a nice thing you can do with magnets is, position the magnets in your model / orient your print such that the magnets are really close to the print bed, to help keep them in place till they're covered up by subsequent layers.
One downside is that the magnets are no longer directly touching, and depending on geometry, even that
i give it a year before you get a bigger one 😄 its such a useful thing to have and i used mine to pay for itself , the design possibilities are endless, enjoy.
I'll have to get a bigger shop then!
Good job with the build. Also it is worth to mention that having a wife that is interested in what you are doing, give some help and maybe is doing some own projects, is one of the best things in the world for a man.
I appreciate Camp #1, but I completely fall into Camp #2. Matthias Wandel is the OG for Camp #2. You're really talented at design. That is such an amazing setup.
I think there is a third camp, the one I am in, where we just like making stuff and try to our best to use the best tool for the job at hand or whichever we feel like using. Some days it is chiseling out the last of a dovetail cut made on the table saw or rip cutting a long board by hand after cutting it to length on my Dewalt 12 inch miter saw. Woodworking is amazing and the best part is we can make things that may last generations.
I don’t own a CNC but one of the most interesting things I see is when somone makes a pattern on the CNC to use to cut 6/4 hardwood to the right shape then using a flush trim bit against the pattern to make perfectly matched pieces.
Enjoy your new tool.
Thorough planning for extra supplements. It is good the lateral moving motor could carry these extras and still pinpoint the bit. Brava!
Thanks for putting the time into this video, lots of good details on things to consider and how you did them
Great to see you're back mate - engaging with us plebs at home! Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
Thanks for following Rian!
technology is amazing but will never be as amazing as something handcrafted
This is the first of your videos I watched, you got a new subscriber.
Just subscribed. Can’t believe I never saw a video of you. Time to start binging
Nice Setup. Smart print parts
Excellent video Justin, and congrats on making it happen. I am truly inspired!
I love the future.. amazing.
When the EMP comes... I'll have you over and teach you how to do hand cut dovetails. ;)
... Can't wait to see what you put out .
I really appreciate geniuses. Thank you
I love antique tools
Awesome work Justin!! Digi Fab tools are fantastic!
Great Job. I'm going to keep track on your progress.
Personally I just like the satisfaction of the old ways. Being a developer I just fell in love with the contrast of my daily work.
CNC templates or jigs are on another level though. Looking forward to see what you make with it & what you think. ;]
I can definitely understand that. Hopefully I don't get digitally burned out!
You are impressive. You made every thing look so easy. Really cool indeed.
Very cool. Great work on making all the accessory parts yourself.
Thanks 👍
WOW! Super impressive.
congratulations! so jealous and excited for you!
This video was fascinating.
When you said you purchased your cnc mahine you earned my respeect. I unsubscribe from channels that get free tools, they become unrelatable for me. I love new technolgy too!
Much appreciated Ken! Hope to see you around
Hi, I’m getting close to making a spoil board for my diy CNC. I like your thinking, go simple on spoil board at first, get up and running before deciding on what to do. Not to mention you can use a working CNC router to make a spoil board. Can’t wait. I only have limit switches left to wire, making and attaching the router mount to the “z” axis than the spoil board. Because mine is a diy, trying to come up with a set up for the router motor that gives me a way to “plumb” the router bit. Some sort of pivot, both left and right and fore and aft. My biggest worry at this point is “squaring” the bit to the table.
Congrats!!!! I'm jely-ious. One day when I'm grown up, I'm gonna have a CNC like that.
Consider putting a thien baffled separator for all the dust. I use a 31 gal steel trash can, and made the thien baffle lid. It works great and improves the suction and disposal of all the CNC dust.
Dig it man.. Thank you for the offering! Your insight and innovation are motivating and inspirational.
I have 2 smaller kess expensive CNC machines ( longmill mk1 30x48 and a carve king 2) and they are priceless for what I do. Mainly home decor, trays, and the like. Also use them to make various fixtures. Nothing against your choice of machines, they are great but I'd think for the money they would include a dust boot. Oh and Nothing against 3D printing parts, I have been 3D printing things for 5+ years.
Flex hose really slows down air flow (unless it is smooth on the inside). I'd recommend using a smooth rigid pipe to the top of the gantry just to improve flow. You could probably reduce the length of flex on the other end too.
Could be so, however, all household vacuum systems seem to use convolute hose. I think a scientific test could be carried out to determine if the statement you made is true or not. Cheers and thanks for your suggestion. I'm embarking on building an extraction system.
@@lesblack413 The roughness of the wall causes a lot of turbulence which dissipates the velocity as heat. In a real world experience I had a house where flex ducting was used and even though the number of vents was sized correctly the AC was icing up due to insufficient flow. The long runs the air would barely blow out. Swapping those to smooth vent pipe for all but the last transition greatly increased flow.
Vacuum hoses are corrugated to allow thin, cheap, light weight and very flexible material to be used. They don't really care all that much about the performance loss as almost no-one knows or compares vacuums to that level.
But don't take my word for it. Test it. Get one of those wind anemometers and test the opening without the hose attached, and then at the tool head. You will probably find a significant difference. Another cheaper option would be to use some clear tubing full of water to make pressure gage and make a pitot tube to measure velocity (this is actually more accurate). That method takes a bit of calculation as well. Search for some videos on pitot tubes if you want to try it.
Just some things to note. Fundamently you should be able to just tell the difference. However placing your hand or a board over the opening won't show the difference. The loss of suction happens to the velocity. If you cover the opening the velocity is zero at both test locations and you won't see the difference. A handful of dust might show an obvious difference.
Loved the comprehensive video and your CNC setup. The cutting board turned out great and the side engraving is first class! Thanks for mentioning your table saw overarm blade guard and dust collector - I bought your plans ages ago and need to get on and build it. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺
Awesome, thanks for watching and good luck with building the dust collector!
Tidy job well done 👍
Cool! Welcome to planet Earth! We are very happy to have your technology bringing our species to a higher level of intelligence! Merry Christmas!
Awesome setup Justin. I've had great success with a permanent mdf polyed spoil board, I attach work with the masking tape and cyanoacrylate (super glue) method if there's to be cut though, I add a layer of 3mm mdf.
Love the 3D print time lapse’s!! Your rabbit hole paid off!
Glad you liked them!!
Too funny, I'm in the process of designing a DIY CNC. I'd rather try and fail and learn a few things along the way. But that's not the way of everyone. Congrats on your new purchase. I hope this means you will not stop making videos.
I'll definitely keep putting out videos. I have even more ideas now that I have another tool.
Nice work, as always. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next.
Very inspiring. I enjoyed watching your video. You are some kind of genius.
I love the new CNC and dust collector. But, the dust collector takes away all the fun of watching it cut. Maybe you can design a micro cam mount for action shots.
Agreed. I would like to design a new one that allows visibility to the cutter
I think it's more about the shift in the type of content from hand woodworking to cnc than any purist thing.
CNC is a dope addition!! However, you still will use your hand router at times, promissed!
In camp #2: Whatever makes it easier to do great woodworking ! 👍
Way to Go!!
Love you videos, make more
@12:32 - LOL, Wifes are soooooooo much better at some things. Mine can find a missed placed bit in seconds, after I have spent ages looking for it. That is why I love her her so much!
Unboxing and assembly towards working. Isn't awesome! Enjoy bro!
Camp 1 is a hobby only camp 2 can be a hobby or a profitable business if your in business you need to be able to maximize your efforts and cnc is a god send for that. I learned how to do thing by hand but quickly figured out no matter how good you are at dovetails a shaper origin is faster and more consistent and people do not pay more just because you used a Japanese pull saw and skew chisels. They dont care how it gets done they just want there pretty projects done fast and at the best price.
simply ingenious
a bit like Shaper Origin ! Nice!
Perfection!
Great video Justin! You've gained another subscriber.
Wow. Very cool. I’m proud for ya 👍👍👍
That's a great dust boot.
Thanks it works better than expected!
Good work! But consider detaching the suction from the Z-axis. Then the machine can dip into the workpiece without the bristles buckling. They could be grabbed by the bit and then the whole thing flies around their ears with 20,000 rounds per minute. The neodymium magnets are going to be quite painful, if not dangerous. Since I can't insert a link, here are the search terms on YT. Is a German video of a diy CNC very popular in Germany. " Uncle Phil Absaugung für die Volksfräse vom Onkel und Igus! Erster Test an der cnc" just copy and paste ;) Greetings from Germany. Btw love your videos
I really like that style of dust boot and hope to make one similar some day.
Nicely done!
Your dust collection on the cnc router might benefit from a faster moving suction. Maybe a smaller hose would increase the velocity and allow for better collection. Love your videos.
Dust collection is about airflow and a smaller hose will not help this.
wow, it was amazing.!
Excellent
incredible
Woodworking is the art of bending the wood onto the shape your imagination want it .
The means you decide to use is yours, of courses, people goes to the method that best fit the skill .
A random dude.
Cool, great job!
You see the same division in say photography (digital vs analog), audio (CD vs vinyl, transistor vs vacuumtube)
you shouldn't need to use any tabs to secure your MDF cuts. The MDF powder itself stays compacted in the cut channel and secures the piece really well, even if you're running dust collection. Plus it'll save you a lot of time on the back end not having to cut and sand the tabs away. MDF is a pain to work with, this is one of the few benefits when you CNC it though, no tabs!
I'll have to try that. Thanks!
Good video, your way above my paygrade. I'm in camp 4, I prefer wood working in making firewood.........
Great job!
Girls are awesome at details
Hi I have no problem with anyone using a CNC and I think it’s very clever but I think when
It’s done with a CNC there not any part of the person in the work,
I’m a very amateur woodworker who enjoys making things at the moment I make sign’s with palm router which I really enjoy .
I feel every sign I make has a little part of myself in it,
But of course it’s personal choice
Earned a sub with this video. Keep up the good work!
And then there are the type of wood worker who is focused on using the best tool for the job. While all framers use nail guns, they would never throw away their hammer.
🔥Luck and prosperity to you.
Your Idea of affordable and mine are different. I've been a technologist and engineer for more than 40 years (so embrace it all pretty well), but too many tools are priced beyond the budget, or are too poor quality. I agree that it requires a fair amount of time with a CAD program to make up the CNC programming. For me, I've done all my planning and layouts in CAD for the last 32 years.. so.. if I ever find a tool that is less than $500 US that works reliably.. then we can talk.
I have an AVID CNC. 4x8. Believe me, you will still need your router. But you might be having too much fun making other stuff to dig it out. ; )
look into "glacier green" mdf. its not much more expensive but compared to the mdf your currently using it will feel like your driving a sports car when you use it. i use mdf daily for production and have to stock a dozen manufacturers mdf for various customers.
Never heard of that. Thanks for the tip!
Use the tool that's best for the job, its that easy.
Great job! CNC's are a great addition to ANY woodshop!
Great vid, but depressing. You've bought, built, assembled and utilized your Avid CNC to much greater effect and much better results than I have after a year of ownership. LOL. Am liking your channel. Subscribed.
Ha, sorry about that :) What do you use your machine for?
@@JustinDepew Came back and am currently binging your vids. Really great stuff.
I am doing mostly signs and furniture. Nothing groundbreaking but I get better every project and that's in no small part due to people like you who take the time to make videos and share them. Hope you have a wonderful 2024!
Wow, you are not from this world. Or you came from other world or you came from the future. 🤩🤔 congratulation
Can't find the machine like yours online