PS: right after dropping this i got notified that there has been another Update around 4 hours ago: This one here 620762: forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158224-game-update-dlc-beta-620762/ it is NOT included in this Video yet. I will cover it in a follow up video.
Haha, maybe. I was so happy finishing this at night around 6 hours ago and posted it this morning. First message i got on reddit: there is a new update. Klei is hitting us with content :D
Dang, didnt realize how op those wood tiles are. I dont mine the buffing of the hot tub, souna, and all of those food, because all of those reqire enough set-up that by the time you have them, you are over-powered anyway, but those wood tiles are compairable to some end game building tiles
I also think it is a bit overpowered, though the cold wasn't much of an issue when i tried playing survival on the DLC Planet. 1 Oven was enough to warm all necessery dupes. 2 frost resitant dupes 4 normal ones. You will find a few items of clothing around and it was no issue in most cycles.
The cold constantly interrupts my dupes to force them to the closest warmth station. Now rushing aquatuners/fertilizer-synthesizers for sauna/spicy-tofu is now more impt than the spom IMO
i was worried that the snow i need to grow alveo vera was going to be a limited resource only renewable from space mining. im glad they added snow to the ice maker recipe
240 watts for the ice maker? while maintaining only 60 kg of snow? this is quite brutal since the trees require 100, and each ice maker takes a while to produce snow and ice.
True, but that is the point of the game sometimes, put a challenge in front of you, Hopefully give you some options to attack it, an see how you did with those choices. Also this is why mods exist, Though none currently producing snow. I hope Erny makes his alternate Drecko idea now that sheared for snow. Though Mercury needs a use now....its either feed to Plug slugs til gone, or vent to space as a liquid.
@@EnlonWhite there are no options other than wild planting, and that is almost a nonexistent option because of the high temp requirements of the pip. i don't care about mods. if someone likes them, then great, but i don't care about non vanilla gameplay. mercury has uses. the liquid is stable from sub zero temps, up to a temperature above the overheat of a steel aquatuner. use it for liquid locks and for tepidizer pools.
@@commonsense-og1gzand as a refined metal, id imagine it also being more conductive (though i havent checked). it might be the perfect tepidizer submersion medium
Thank you for the great video, and thank you for answering the question about the vacuum. I was also wondering if the tiles the duplicants are standing on affect their temperature while they are in a vacuum, but it's not as important cause I can insulate them. XD
I think since it is vacuum there is nothing to transfer heat to the duplicant to. like when a building in vacuum sits on a tile. you mostly will need a transfermedium like liquid to reach the building and or the dupe. But that is just my guess.
Now I honestly hope they go back and update everything next. Bring all the dlc into balance and fix any old bugs. Speed up some recreational items use time or add light bonuses. Showers, soda fountain etc. Maybe add useful clothing and more decore items to the base game,fountains, pillar statues,the poi props)Ceramic tiles please, A tile thats not the best but does it all.
It's too bad the wood tile just became a puff of carbon dioxide when the magma heated it past its melting point. It would have been neat if the wood tile became a chunk of coal and a small amount of carbon dioxide
IRL making charcoal requires a more controlled burn, this is represented by the new wood to refined carbon recipe in the kiln. When wood is completely burned you get a white fluffy ash but ONI doesn't have an equivalent. Though apparently wood ash can work as a fertilizer. Usually there is both charcoal and ash, but that still isn't the same as coal.
regarding vacuum and the new game mechanics, there appears to (still) be an issue when a dupe is standing in liquid in the bottom tile and vacuum in the top tile. Definitely a longer running bug too, though before the DLC it was only a minor stress debuff, not a -5 to athlethics penalty or frostbite damage with associated danger notification. [edit] From todays patch notes "Fixed a bug where critters larger than 1x1 were freezing to death if at least one of their occupied cells was a vacuum, and at least one other wasn't." ...now lets find out if that fix also applies to dupes. >.>
I'll now finally be able to make an infinite food storage freezer using snow tiles instead of regular insulated tiles and make it look like an actual freezer. Although they'll eventually melt unless cooled, which is worse than just using the regular insulated tiles... ... ... I see most content is really early game, with so much stuff to survive the first 100 cycles in the cold. It feels a bit small, but we're comparing it with the massive upgrade that is SpacedOut (radiation, planetoids, late game rocket modules, etc)
Spigot seals I'm trying to evolve through very low temperature. I'd normally just stick them in the industrial brick, but then the tallow would turn into oil. What I'm most vexxed about is the bonbon tree autoplanting mechanic. I see them do it, I haven't been able to work out what the rules are or how to control it. I've got snow and ice meteors. I tried using pips but I need temperature control first to get it above -30; death came to pipland after planting only one.
I look forward to seeing you enjoy the new DLC! So far, I've been having a great time with it, even as things update and change. In fact, I just passed 500 cycles with my current colony.
Flox buff was NEEDED, still makes the critter OVERALL late game Just OK, but now it might be more worth investing in Tame food farm for Flox for early game. (or at least once you finish Locavore) wild Farming Ranches are now actually viable, which was needed for early game. Bammoth Nerfs....wow very hard hit to easy early wild ranching....but wild ranching early on is still worth it though, instead of maintaining 4-6 very easily, I would only get about half that, and I really wouldnt do TAME at all now (no grooming) until Locavore is done, so I can start using planters then, (yes you do that as soon as you have the tech, NO that is too easy, I must do all Achievement RUNS only.) Bammoth changes really only means two things, you will need to wild Ranch Flox a little more to compensate for slight meat lost on Bammoths, and That Bammoths cannot be Spam Wild Ranched while groomed until you get PIP planting going full force, and even then, its Reduced to maxium of 2 per Ranch and that Ranch room size is likely big enough for 4, so some wasted space. The Bammoth Patty changes to produce more Clay is Actually a BUFF, yeah sure you could abuse the Phosphorus amount from before. However, you would hit a too much of it cap really easily, Clay however with this change means you can ignore needing to build a clay making polluted Oxygen build setup. Which is a nice alterative, plus its a mostly steady supply of clay with a bonus. If anything the change makes it less abusive for early game stuff, which is fine. Bammoth Meat amount change....hmmmm, yes a nerf, not by a ton, if math is right Bammoth is still 3.6-3.8 times more meat efficent then a Hatch. Bammoths provide better resources for Overall use, even late game. With only the Taming of Plum Plants as the limiting end game factor, which Wild planting is both harder, but even more worthwhile due to limits of Ethanol amounts. ****Mercury is still USELESS. At best it will feed future Plug slugs or at worst be vented to space when its liquid.**** Note, I base my thoughts of how well a map can do with the 3 tough time limited colony achievements. Locavore, Carnivore, and Self Sustaining. (This map has a slightly different approach, both easier in some ways, harder in others.) Notable traits for starter dupes, Tier 1 digging (Granite/Igneous rock gathering rush, to use less wood for things, Ranch Skill for Dupe to ranch at game start (still need tech for it, rush it), and last Get a SUPER researcher, with what ever else sklls you want, (divers lungs?) (you probly want the Dig trait dupe to be a digger, and the ranch one to love ranching/farming.) On later picks, 4th dupe just make him a Cook if you feel fine, or the 5th as a cook, the other is a Builder focus. You will need to pick these two extra dupes within the first 15 cycles. (maybe even the first 9 cycles.) Once you get Locavore, or are confindent you can complete it within 20 cycles of a Portal pick, you can start picking up more dupes and even get up to 11 of them if have the starting of a SPOM setup for O2. (rushing to find the good water Geysers.) Locavore Achievement is really the one needing rushing here, (on a non spaced out map you should have enough Bammoth's spawned to complete Carnivore, if you early wild farm ranch a few Bammoths, and wild farm Flox ranches, then hunt down the rest of the maps Bammoths. (heck some maps have 20 plus of them, remember to keep a few alive!) tips--Eating Meat counts towards this, kill Bammoths that are older then 129 for food as they SHOULD of Already laid an egg at his point. Wild farm as much as you can for food plants and make a few CO2 pockets for the Aloe if possible. Dig for Oxylite as much as you can, while keeping dupes between 4-6 (4-5 for spaced out maps). Carnivore is more of a WHEN will you complete it if are at least slightly trying to, no real rush, just dont postpone some prep for too long. Self Sustain, is just waiting until after Locavore and you get enough O2 production from Aloe plants/a small SPOM maybe, then you just pump the extra water on map to Hydrogen Generators, while spacing the extra O2. (3 or more water geysers always spawn on this map it seems.) Once these three are done, its just a matter of keeping your heat production under control to keep the plants of the map COLD. aka build a base that is insulted from all other areas, but use the early reeds from Bammoths use suits to let dupes do all work that needs cold temps outside of that warm base area. Map done at this point, do what ever you want, in what order you need/want from there.
It was in Dev mode now it is inlcuded in Base game, Spaced out and Frosty planet pack. but you can only find it in the Frosty planet pack dlc (so far).
PS: right after dropping this i got notified that there has been another Update around 4 hours ago: This one here 620762: forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158224-game-update-dlc-beta-620762/ it is NOT included in this Video yet. I will cover it in a follow up video.
I can hear your frustration
Haha, maybe. I was so happy finishing this at night around 6 hours ago and posted it this morning. First message i got on reddit: there is a new update. Klei is hitting us with content :D
Dang, didnt realize how op those wood tiles are. I dont mine the buffing of the hot tub, souna, and all of those food, because all of those reqire enough set-up that by the time you have them, you are over-powered anyway, but those wood tiles are compairable to some end game building tiles
Building the hot tub or a sauna completely removes the main challenge of the dlc lmao
I also think it is a bit overpowered, though the cold wasn't much of an issue when i tried playing survival on the DLC Planet. 1 Oven was enough to warm all necessery dupes. 2 frost resitant dupes 4 normal ones. You will find a few items of clothing around and it was no issue in most cycles.
I think the challenge is far more about your plants and other early game food sources getting frozen than the dupes themselves freezing
The cold constantly interrupts my dupes to force them to the closest warmth station. Now rushing aquatuners/fertilizer-synthesizers for sauna/spicy-tofu is now more impt than the spom IMO
@@fruity4820 Do they even have our usual starting plants and critters there?
I made a Hot tub but my dupes never use it :(
Thanks for the overview of the update!
i was worried that the snow i need to grow alveo vera was going to be a limited resource only renewable from space mining. im glad they added snow to the ice maker recipe
Hawk eye need to play.
Does pepper bread also give the spicy food frost resistance buff?
Just checked: It does not. Probabyl not spicy enough :D
240 watts for the ice maker? while maintaining only 60 kg of snow? this is quite brutal since the trees require 100, and each ice maker takes a while to produce snow and ice.
True. It will be a challenge to sustainably produce enough for your cold loving plants.
True, but that is the point of the game sometimes, put a challenge in front of you, Hopefully give you some options to attack it, an see how you did with those choices.
Also this is why mods exist, Though none currently producing snow. I hope Erny makes his alternate Drecko idea now that sheared for snow.
Though Mercury needs a use now....its either feed to Plug slugs til gone, or vent to space as a liquid.
@@EnlonWhite there are no options other than wild planting, and that is almost a nonexistent option because of the high temp requirements of the pip.
i don't care about mods. if someone likes them, then great, but i don't care about non vanilla gameplay.
mercury has uses. the liquid is stable from sub zero temps, up to a temperature above the overheat of a steel aquatuner. use it for liquid locks and for tepidizer pools.
@@commonsense-og1gzand as a refined metal, id imagine it also being more conductive (though i havent checked). it might be the perfect tepidizer submersion medium
Great news. Thanks for your video!
The wood tiles are OP indeed ;)
Knowing myself I will have that planet melted in 40 cycles.
Haha, great comment :D
Give it a shot, would be funny if it worked.
Thank you for the great video, and thank you for answering the question about the vacuum. I was also wondering if the tiles the duplicants are standing on affect their temperature while they are in a vacuum, but it's not as important cause I can insulate them. XD
I think since it is vacuum there is nothing to transfer heat to the duplicant to. like when a building in vacuum sits on a tile. you mostly will need a transfermedium like liquid to reach the building and or the dupe. But that is just my guess.
Now I honestly hope they go back and update everything next. Bring all the dlc into balance and fix any old bugs. Speed up some recreational items use time or add light bonuses. Showers, soda fountain etc.
Maybe add useful clothing and more decore items to the base game,fountains, pillar statues,the poi props)Ceramic tiles please, A tile thats not the best but does it all.
I'm very anxious for the release.
It's too bad the wood tile just became a puff of carbon dioxide when the magma heated it past its melting point. It would have been neat if the wood tile became a chunk of coal and a small amount of carbon dioxide
That would be an interesting way to make coal as well
IRL making charcoal requires a more controlled burn, this is represented by the new wood to refined carbon recipe in the kiln. When wood is completely burned you get a white fluffy ash but ONI doesn't have an equivalent. Though apparently wood ash can work as a fertilizer. Usually there is both charcoal and ash, but that still isn't the same as coal.
Great video 👍
4 mins ago for 4 likes? a like per min darn
18 likes at 15 minutes, the ratio has increased!
40 likes at 29 mins
regarding vacuum and the new game mechanics, there appears to (still) be an issue when a dupe is standing in liquid in the bottom tile and vacuum in the top tile. Definitely a longer running bug too, though before the DLC it was only a minor stress debuff, not a -5 to athlethics penalty or frostbite damage with associated danger notification.
[edit]
From todays patch notes
"Fixed a bug where critters larger than 1x1 were freezing to death if at least one of their occupied cells was a vacuum, and at least one other wasn't."
...now lets find out if that fix also applies to dupes. >.>
I'll now finally be able to make an infinite food storage freezer using snow tiles instead of regular insulated tiles and make it look like an actual freezer.
Although they'll eventually melt unless cooled, which is worse than just using the regular insulated tiles... ... ...
I see most content is really early game, with so much stuff to survive the first 100 cycles in the cold.
It feels a bit small, but we're comparing it with the massive upgrade that is SpacedOut (radiation, planetoids, late game rocket modules, etc)
Spigot seals I'm trying to evolve through very low temperature. I'd normally just stick them in the industrial brick, but then the tallow would turn into oil.
What I'm most vexxed about is the bonbon tree autoplanting mechanic. I see them do it, I haven't been able to work out what the rules are or how to control it. I've got snow and ice meteors. I tried using pips but I need temperature control first to get it above -30; death came to pipland after planting only one.
Humans in a vacuum, would explode. Because all the water and oil in our body turns into gas, when we enter a vacuum.
I look forward to seeing you enjoy the new DLC! So far, I've been having a great time with it, even as things update and change. In fact, I just passed 500 cycles with my current colony.
Lets see if they nerf the wood tiles in a future update^^
Haha, hopefully not
Bro Offscreened some dupes 👀👀👀
Might have :)
The Aloe Vera can be used with Farming Station
Have you checked out the lab asteroid for this dlc yet?
Yes but only in Sandbox
Which one of the new critters is your favorite? Personally, I adore the Bammoth
I like the Bammoth most from a design perspective. From the usefulness so far the flox. Need to check out the spigot seal more intensively.
Спасибо!!! Отличный обзор!
Thank you for watching
Flox buff was NEEDED, still makes the critter OVERALL late game Just OK,
but now it might be more worth investing in Tame food farm for Flox for early game. (or at least once you finish Locavore)
wild Farming Ranches are now actually viable, which was needed for early game.
Bammoth Nerfs....wow very hard hit to easy early wild ranching....but wild ranching early on is still worth it though, instead of maintaining 4-6 very easily, I would only get about half that, and I really wouldnt do TAME at all now (no grooming) until Locavore is done, so I can start using planters then, (yes you do that as soon as you have the tech, NO that is too easy, I must do all Achievement RUNS only.)
Bammoth changes really only means two things, you will need to wild Ranch Flox a little more to compensate for slight meat lost on Bammoths, and That Bammoths cannot be Spam Wild Ranched while groomed until you get PIP planting going full force, and even then, its Reduced to maxium of 2 per Ranch and that Ranch room size is likely big enough for 4, so some wasted space.
The Bammoth Patty changes to produce more Clay is Actually a BUFF, yeah sure you could abuse the Phosphorus amount from before. However, you would hit a too much of it cap really easily, Clay however with this change means you can ignore needing to build a clay making polluted Oxygen build setup. Which is a nice alterative, plus its a mostly steady supply of clay with a bonus. If anything the change makes it less abusive for early game stuff, which is fine.
Bammoth Meat amount change....hmmmm, yes a nerf, not by a ton, if math is right Bammoth is still 3.6-3.8 times more meat efficent then a Hatch. Bammoths provide better resources for Overall use, even late game. With only the Taming of Plum Plants as the limiting end game factor, which Wild planting is both harder, but even more worthwhile due to limits of Ethanol amounts.
****Mercury is still USELESS. At best it will feed future Plug slugs or at worst be vented to space when its liquid.****
Note, I base my thoughts of how well a map can do with the 3 tough time limited colony achievements. Locavore, Carnivore, and Self Sustaining. (This map has a slightly different approach, both easier in some ways, harder in others.)
Notable traits for starter dupes, Tier 1 digging (Granite/Igneous rock gathering rush, to use less wood for things, Ranch Skill for Dupe to ranch at game start (still need tech for it, rush it), and last Get a SUPER researcher, with what ever else sklls you want, (divers lungs?) (you probly want the Dig trait dupe to be a digger, and the ranch one to love ranching/farming.)
On later picks, 4th dupe just make him a Cook if you feel fine, or the 5th as a cook, the other is a Builder focus. You will need to pick these two extra dupes within the first 15 cycles. (maybe even the first 9 cycles.)
Once you get Locavore, or are confindent you can complete it within 20 cycles of a Portal pick, you can start picking up more dupes and even get up to 11 of them if have the starting of a SPOM setup for O2. (rushing to find the good water Geysers.)
Locavore Achievement is really the one needing rushing here, (on a non spaced out map you should have enough Bammoth's spawned to complete Carnivore, if you early wild farm ranch a few Bammoths, and wild farm Flox ranches, then hunt down the rest of the maps Bammoths. (heck some maps have 20 plus of them, remember to keep a few alive!)
tips--Eating Meat counts towards this, kill Bammoths that are older then 129 for food as they SHOULD of Already laid an egg at his point.
Wild farm as much as you can for food plants and make a few CO2 pockets for the Aloe if possible.
Dig for Oxylite as much as you can, while keeping dupes between 4-6 (4-5 for spaced out maps).
Carnivore is more of a WHEN will you complete it if are at least slightly trying to, no real rush, just dont postpone some prep for too long.
Self Sustain, is just waiting until after Locavore and you get enough O2 production from Aloe plants/a small SPOM maybe, then you just pump the extra water on map to Hydrogen Generators, while spacing the extra O2.
(3 or more water geysers always spawn on this map it seems.)
Once these three are done, its just a matter of keeping your heat production under control to keep the plants of the map COLD. aka build a base that is insulted from all other areas, but use the early reeds from Bammoths use suits to let dupes do all work that needs cold temps outside of that warm base area.
Map done at this point, do what ever you want, in what order you need/want from there.
omg i just had the best idea for your channel make a oni math program!
People already did that
There's one for food
You mean like a math channel; How to do math in ONI or how to correctly calculate what you need?
@@Luma_plays yes a whole channel that deals with the math of oni that would be awesome glad you thought of it what a brilliant idea!
@@Luma_plays all of the conversions break it down from the the idiot to the advanced!
7:16 TEN!
I have had a horrible time getting bonbon to exchange temp post update. No idea why but aquatuner loop and STILL not dropping temp meaningfully
100 Dupes 100 Cycles on a frozen planet?)
Where's the video where you can make heat by making transformers looping to each other? i can't find it.
First or second Episode of the Bugs and Explots Let's play. Or somewhere in the first hour of the Movie Version of the Lets play.
I think you should wait until the release, and then do a proper playthrough.
Is mercury a resource in the game?
Yes
@@CAMSLAYER13 never see it in the game, just dev mode
@@pet3rgaming you should be able to find cinnabar in the new dlc
It was in Dev mode now it is inlcuded in Base game, Spaced out and Frosty planet pack. but you can only find it in the Frosty planet pack dlc (so far).
@@Luma_plays im waiting to you show us a good use of it Luma
This has broken all my saves.
Is this update official yet? How do i play/buy the dlc?
Check out the first miinute of the last video. I show how to get it there
its not out yet, but theyre doing a public beta test you can partake in for free until the DLC is out
Should be releasing sometime today