2024 VW ID.4 and ID.5 get power, range, battery and tech upgrades
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- 2024 VW ID.4 and ID.5 get power, range, battery and tech upgrades
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340+ miles of range with increased charging speeds should work for just about everybody here in the United States, sounds good to me and I drive every day many miles.
= about 298 miles USA EPA range. For WLTP to EPA range divide 340 by about 1.14 == 298 miles. Still not bad. Reference: Search result for "wltp range vs epa range"
But charging where for road trips? Electrify America, et. al. just doesn't cut it re speed, reliability, cost, convenience, etc.
Please not!! Vw is a criminal Cheater Company, corrupt to its Core.
I am German, i know it!
They are even sending their Union Leaders to Prostitutes in Brasil, the Dieselgate still is NOT! cleared till today.
They are lobbying against BEV, their Consumption is soooo high.
Dont do it.
Don't believe wltp range predictions, certainly not from German brands...
I love your short format, to the point videos. Thank you
You are so welcome!
Still no NACS which is a deal breaker for me.
Whats NACS
North American Charging Standard. ie the Tesla receptacle
To bad. As a current owner of a 2021 ID4 AWD with 52K miles, I will say you would be missing out on a great car!
thank you!👍
You are welcome!
The serviceability of the VE EV is nothing like a Tesla. Zero OTA updates on VW.
Maybe I missed it but did you specify what battery technology is in these new versions of the ID.4 and ID.5?
Back in Sept I leased a '23 Kia EV6 Wind RWD rated at 310 miles of range. My highest range was on warm days 75+ deg F and I got 365 mi., 345, 355 mi and during the colder New England months am getting 300 to 320. Have noticed that max charging occurs late at night to the early am hrs, 9/10pm to 7am.
Range and SUV styling are still my preference but Fisker taking way too long to give me an answer on the Ocean Ultra 360 mi range EV lease price. By the time my leave is over I would expect the Toyota Solid State battery they say at 950 mi range should be available in 2025.
Nice on VW at last
VW won't put huge horsepower/performance in their cars if it would cut in to Audi sales. Audi is performance and luxury, VW is for practicality with a bit of fun.
Only difference between 3 sec acceleration and 7 sec acceleration is that you need new set of tires much sooner. You don't arrive any faster only place you might get faster is coffin.
Exactly this, Audi is the performance upsell of VW along with a little more luxury interior.
They really need to LOSE THOSE SLIDER CONTROLS - I've tried them in VW and Audi cars - absolutely awful. Is something wrong with knobs and buttons - Honda has brought more back ! For me they are literally a deal killer
They can't throw away that. They can't control all the stuff by software only. They don't build it.
Knobs and buttons cost more than software sliders, but I know which I prefer.
At least the knops at the steering wheel will come back...too much effort to change this for the current light facelift...but hopefully in a bigger Facelift driven by the new Designer...the old one was fired from the new CEO Mr. Blume...and hopefully this toy design will go away, too...the upcoming ID2 and ID.GTI are promising.
It depends on the battery whether it is the cheapest or the expensive.The present expensive ID4\5 has over about 515 km! Tesla has the longest range about 600 km AWD .VW ID4/5 GTX AWD.
It’s always good to see improvements after 1st generation vehicles. First generations are always for guinea pigs.
True, but what if the 2nd generation isn't that much of an improvement and 10 years later we are still way short of where we need to be wrt the global situation? We need to look MUCH MORE seriously at other areas coz EVs are NOT the answer.
@@csjrogerson2377 what do you think are the biggest concerns with EVs outside of prices aren’t low enough?
Morning mate
I’d buy the I’d 4 long range if it had the lmfp battery. No info on what models have what kind of batteries.
No matter Tesla or any electric car EVs are still 3-5 years away from the gas cars gas station on every street Range on gas tank is upto 650 miles range but on EVs it's half the range
Anyone who know if the electric Ford Explorer will be built on the same new vw platform or on the old (204 HK) ??
Excited about 24 ID.4 improvements. If dealers are willing to deal, I’d lease one. But many seem to think it’s still 2022 and people will pay sticker price or more. Guess again.
Please not!! Vw is a criminal Cheater Company, corrupt to its Core.
I am German, i know it!
They are even sending their Union Leaders to Prostitutes in Brasil, the Dieselgate still is NOT! cleared till today.
They are lobbying against BEV, their Consumption is soooo high.
Dont do it.
Same here, I would also accept to drive one if dealers are willing to give me one for free
Sam - how can you quote WLTP range figures with a straight face?
556km from a 77kwh (usable) battery pack would mean efficiency of better than 14kwh/100km (which you know just ain’t so).
EV database states that combined consumption for ID.4 Pro Performance is 16,4 kWh / 100 km in mild weather and new rear motor is more efficient which mean numbers would be lower than those.
I doubt about 14kwh, too...the ID7 with better drag coefficient was driven with 17kwh/100km at 120km/h on german Autobahn from german press, which is good, but not at 14kwh.
BUT...in the mix with city driving it could be reached, since they got 11kwh/100km in the city.
@@josefv8708 WLTP number is combined value so you need to compare it to similar drive style not just autobahn.
100% sure that if you drive city only you get further than WLTP.
It's about time they upgrade the car, I legit looked at the id.4 before buying a tesla and I just wasn't impressed 😐 maybe I'll reconsider in the future
Funnily enough Teslas don't impress me, boring cars.
Only add 190 km top speed cars are now more soldable growing masivly if buyers like
Ehhh, the cheapest starter version of a VW ID.4 is over €41.000 . . . . The VW ID.5 is starting at €45.000
I dont know what those European car brands think.
Better wait for prices to come down to around €25.000 so most people can buy it.
Or one of those Chinese EV's that cost even below €15.000, that hopefully hit the EU markets in 2024.
Till that time, the masses will keep their sub €20.000 ICE cars.
👍👍
Would be nice to get the ID.5 in the USA. It's a better-looking car IMO.
Better looking than what? if you buy vehicles specifically on good luck to you. I think they said the ID3 had good looks also. How did that work out?
@@royphillips7644 than what we get in the United States. The ID.4. What a car looks like matters to a lot of people. I’m not alone on that.
A note on hydrogen fuel cell trucks that says a lot about European electric truck technology:
Quantron’s QLI FCEV [fuel-cell electric vehicle] is the first commercially available hydrogen-powered “compact” truck model (weighing under 7.5 tonnes) in Europe - and can travel up to 400km on one tank of hydrogen fuel.
A bomb on wheels
Any news on bidirectional charging/v2g? Will be important on my next car for sure.
The cars are already bidirectional/V2H enabled. The problem is that there is no sign of a compatible AC charger at present.
For V2g to work, you need to spend thousands of dollars to add the equipment to your home to connect your EV and to make sure your home is disconnected from the grid during a power outage, most people are not willing to pay the $5k USD or so that it costs to use that feature, this is why many EV manufacturers haven't been pushing V2G. Ford has the option in their vehicles but according to the Ford website, the equipment is $5k + installation.
@@S2kDude36 V2G is not only (it´s often less) relevant for blackout prevention. OK, if you live in a country with more blackouts than here in europe, priorities are different.
For Europe: 99% of the use case is delivering power in times when local solar doesn´t generate enough. Or using variable power tariffs to store/load in cheap times and sell or use battery energy when the grid is expensive. It´s an additional business model for any battery (local or in BEV) and is useful every day, even when the grid is on.
Smells to me that they increased operation voltage (from 400v to 800V??) to get improved charging and performance. Cost increases mostly limited to the power electronics. Higher charging speeds essential to future proof EV's.
EPA range? I bet it sucks. Probably won’t break 300 and public charging will be terrible.
Listen to find out about #vw new changes in #battery_pack. #fast_charging, #chassis, #hourse_power, #range and #info_tainment.
Interestingly this also increases the ranges of the Audi, Cupra and Skoda vehicles built on the same platforms, in the same factory. Sensible address a single issue to the benefit of all brands.
Vw, Skoda, Audi and Cupra are all getting the same updates
If the price is right, I'm interested. It will have to be good to push the model Y off the top of my list.
Not really likely model y will bettered.
@@monkeysezbegood Likley not, but you never know. Maybe VW will wake up. I have a Tiguan and I'm very happy with it. I just want a similar EV.
£45k and above… 😢
@@monkeysezbegoodif you want, parking sensors, radar, and turn signal levers...Model Y is a NoNo. ...There is so much missing especially in Europe to the ID4...no HUD, no Display on the Steering Wheel, no Matrix LED etc...means for me Model Y is no competition at all, since you can not get it, even you want to spent the money.
The Model Y looks a good value for money, if you look closer, what is missing, its not...and if you could get it, it would be way more expensive than any competition.
Does over-the-air updates work now?
nope.
@@gooldii1How do you know, since nobody knows?...this is an update to MIB4 and new hardware, too...we will see, if this working now or not, in the future.
340 miles freeway driving range is bar to hurdle currently. I know you’re a big Tesla fan. Can we get accurate freeway range? As consumers, long range road trip driving has disappointed especially with Tesla.
Please not!! Vw is a criminal Cheater Company, corrupt to its Core.
I am German, i know it!
They are even sending their Union Leaders to Prostitutes in Brasil, the Dieselgate still is NOT! cleared till today.
They are lobbying against BEV, their Consumption is soooo high.
Dont do it.
17km extra? not much to write home about neither the charging speed if its, as before only available fron like 6% to 20%
The insanity of chasing the most powerful and fastest vehicles is not the path to profitability. No one needs and very few want a vehicle that goes over 110mph. Get us quick charging, reliable and affordable vehicles. Starting prices below 30K would be fabulous and they will find a large market or they can wait for the Chinese to fill that market. People bought the Toyotas because they were affordable and reliable. Kia and Hyundai have become go to brands for the same reasons.
Best of luck to VW but deliver quality at an affordable price
Yes price is too high good point! I’m driving bolt even with slow charging because price and reliability are good!
Fix over the air updates, Tesla supercharger use for all VW cars and put a decent price on the VW van and then we'll talk.
Please not!! Vw is a criminal Cheater Company, corrupt to its Core.
I am German, i know it!
They are even sending their Union Leaders to Prostitutes in Brasil, the Dieselgate still is NOT! cleared till today.
They are lobbying against BEV, their Consumption is soooo high.
Dont do it.
What about over the air updates?
Nothing, Vws Software is a Desaster! They fired the whole It!
OTDA updates for the moment, let's hope they improve (D - rarified dealer air) 😊
Vw is a Cheater Company, always was. They hate BEV, and they will cheta forever.
I am German, btw.@@allisterbullock213
@@allisterbullock213 to improve all they would have to do is work. So far that is not happened for Volkswagen.
When you receive a Tesla update it can reprogram every controller, microcontroller, BMS, ECU, etc in the car, not just the infotainment unit. Seriously you can hear various contactors and systems powering down, then after a pause coming back online one by one again. It is quite freaky to sit in there and hear it coming alive again. I doubt legacy automakers have such a complete chain of connectivity which is why their OTA sometimes is just that and other times they may need to plug in at the service center. They still have a way to go I guess.
You kept showing the old interiors...
Tesla invented the use of gigapresses in the manufacture of cars. So Sam keep calling them Tesla's.
No, an italian company invented and developed the gigapress...but yes, Tesla was asking for this kind of press as one of the first companies and with this the italian company developed it.
Audi had such big parts in one piece in the past already, but stopped it again, since the repairability is a horror.
We will see, how the insurance companies will charge you, since a crash could easily mean a complete loss....
HOW MUCH is it going to cost the Australian public. THE BURNING DOWN OF THEIR HOUSE DUE TO AN ELECTRIC CAR //////
So, doesn’t that mean that the Audi e'tron (excrement) also get these upgrades? After all, Munro teardown showed they're the same car with different trim&badging! 😂
For tootling around towns and cities 300 or so miles of range is fine, but on the motorway at 70-80mph, especially in the winter or if you have a trailer then battery tech. isn't quite there yet. I always look at EV-Database, 150 - 200 miles between charges is what I'd factor in weather dependent with contingency for roadworks and diversions etc.
I've been on plenty of road trips in my EV, after 200 miles it's nice to stop and get a 15-20 min charging break, even in the winter time the range is still at least 200 miles between charging stops in a long range EV. The technology is there, just seems like you are not there yet.
Contingency for roadworks and traffic generally makes you travel slower and therefore better range. It's only when you have a gearbox and can't use all of the gears is when you take a range hit for the given fuel.
@@S2kDude36 these days in freezing weather I read on Facebook about EVs getting like 150km in range from fully charged, that's like 90miles!!!
I think the defined "underpoweredness" in this video makes sense in the VW upgrade. In Europe in general you do not need that much power with everyday use and holidays. And a less powered engine means less power use, which us more frugal and potentially more range. I think 160 km/hr is more than enough speed buffer for most cars. I think the, if worry for "underpoweredness" is the narrative, is a question of perspective. The only two reasons I can think of you need more is track racing with your own car and pulling trailers/caravans. But then that should be the narrative in vehicles. Volkswagen = people's car, not Lamborghini.
I think a larger screen is overrated. I currently drive an Aygo 2005. No touchscreen. No blinding lights from a bright screen distracting me from driving in the the early moring ir late evening when driving. I think touch screens, if becoming the norm, should be able to be turned off when we want to. The glaring light from a touchscreen in a car is bright and distracting for the driver, even more so when touchscreena are angled by default towards the driver, which I find strange. A center touchscreen should be just as accessible for the front passenger, and frankly that disrepctful towards other passengers in the car. A center touchscreen is so multifunctional these days, I don't understand why they prefer a disproportionate skew to directed functionality towards the driver. It reminds me of a plane, but a car is not a plane. At the end of the day, we should still be paying attention towards the road not the screen. Enough (dangerous) accidents still happen by distracted driving unfortunately. Even if autonomous driving is the norm, it is still remarkable to see all the screens functionality pushed more to the drivers side, than the passengers side for access. It reminds me somewhat of legacy design.
Please not!! Vw is a criminal Cheater Company, corrupt to its Core.
I am German, i know it!
They are even sending their Union Leaders to Prostitutes in Brasil, the Dieselgate still is NOT! cleared till today.
They are lobbying against BEV, their Consumption is soooo high.
Dont do it.
It's not like gas cars where a larger more powerful engine uses more power. In an EV, more powerful motors don't equate to less efficiency, that's up to the driver, more power is there if you need it but if you don't use it, a more powerful motor can be just as efficient as one with less power. Besides, an EV doesn't have an engine, it's an electric motor.
@@medman36 What are you talking about? You can adjust the screen brightness and also you can turn it off. The central screen of course needs to be directed to the driver, how on earth can you see it otherwise? It is not to entertain your passengers. You don't know what you're talking about at all.
ID3 is the same...
I don't understand this absolute obsession that people have about range on an EV. The number of miles I can go without refueling (whether ICE or EV) has *never* influenced my buying decision on a car. My current ICE car has less range than the great majority of EVs, and it has never been the slightest concern to me. And I very rarely refuel my car more than 25 miles from home. If I had an EV, it would be "refueled" in my garage through my solar panels.
I would not give a single thought to a Volkswagen EV until they are able to offer real over the air updates.
This is the problem, many people think they require longer range for the once maybe twice a year road trip even if it is only aspirational. If they have families or pets I believe it negates the need to go non-stop or with minimal breaks. However, having driven across the width (almost) of western Europe (for a whole day) regularly myself for several years in both forms of transport and arriving either tired with one meal break/refuel stop or with two extra charge stops for up to 30 minutes (and arriving less tired) then I prefer the latter, YMMV (pun intended).
...and why the obsession with acceleration? There seems to be a lot of status involved.
@@timmurphy5541 acceleration has always been an upsell, GTI, GTR, superchargers, turbochargers. It's nothing new.
@@allisterbullock213 Well, that suggests that high acceleration isn't really needed by most people - it's there to give VW a higher profit margin car that some people will buy because they can. I don't like the idea of making acceleration a point of competition in EVs though - efficiency maybe but acceleration leads us to nothing really valuable to net0.
Good to see VW trying a little. Their desire to stay alive will be clear when they get the sport models down to c. 3 seconds 0-100 kph.
Are you 12 y old?
Why?
@@geraldbutler5484because that is the standard in the marketplace.
VW is now repairing the damage that Herbert Diess created.
Herbert Diess is the only one who had a clue at that company.
@@royphillips7644 Making look cars cheap is not enough. Reducing quality to earn more money is not the german way. Now the future looks good again.
No Tesla Superchargers = Failure
0-60mph around 6 seconds is sufficient for all normal driving. If one needs 3-4 sec, please check your traffic behaviour and anticipation skills.
Ahhhh the return of cookie cutter wheels :)
210 miles of range should be all one needs … if you’re sticking to sufficiently well chargered routes. Unfortunately, even for Tesla, here in the USA, some areas of the country are a bit thin with respect to chargers. In planning my travel to see the eclipse next April, I realized that in those situations where you may expect a surfeit of simultaneous travelers, there may not be sufficient stations to support the traffic.
Please not!! Vw is a criminal Cheater Company, corrupt to its Core.
I am German, i know it!
They are even sending their Union Leaders to Prostitutes in Brasil, the Dieselgate still is NOT! cleared till today.
They are lobbying against BEV, their Consumption is soooo high.
Dont do it.
In your world there will be fewer long distance driving and many more motels. In years of driving between Canada and Florida we averaged 850 km per day and did not drive after dark. I can think of a routes in Canada with over a hundred KM between gas stations (and no human habitations either). Maybe you should go for a long drive through, um, Nebraska before deciding what should be good enough for others
This is just delusional. Since you could only charge 10-80 quickly that would mean, in ideal conditions, you'd only be able to travel 147 miles on any leg of a trip. You'd have to stop for 30 minutes under every 2 hours. It would make any long trip, especially if you lose another 20% because it's cold out, completely unbearable.
@@Snerdles no, not delusional, apparently, I’m not communicating well. My MY LR has a nominal range at 100% of over 300 miles. At 80% the projected range is around 270, but that’s down to zed. Keeping it between 20-80 is my target and that leaves me only around 210 to actually use most of the time, though it would allow me to stretch to 240 (80-10) or up to over 300 were I to need the extra bit. But charging to high percentage is slow and can be inconvenient, and dropping to low percentage can reduce car functions and stress the passengers or even the driver. I have in my ICE past sometimes enjoyed long, bladder limited stretches of road, but as the limiting factors have shrunk over the years, a desire has grown in me to stretch my legs a little and defocus off the road for 10 or 20 minutes every 3 hours or so. I suppose I really should have said 210 miles of quick charging actual range not implied that 210 total miles of ternary battery backed range would be adequate for making long trips, for that, for most trips in the US on interstates, one should find having a little over 210 miles of reliable, fast charging range to suffice.
Theres is Tesla and then there are all the others... sorry to say.
there is no parking sensor, no radar, no matrix LED, no HUD, no display at the steering wheel, no turn signal lever, not working traffic sign recognization, no really comfortable ride quality, no noise insulation etc. etc...indeed no competition at all.
@@josefv8708 plz tell that to the sales numbers.. these are facts 💪💪
My car has 150 hp and 240 Nm, and can travel at 200 kph. Ok, it's 1.5 ton instead of 2 but still. Why would anyone need several hundreds to travel? It's just a stupid who can say a higher number game that has absolutely nor elevance whatsoever.
Looks like an appealing car. But the Volkswagen brand is tainted by the scandals the company has been involved in in recent years. You don't just buy a car you buy the reputation of the car company. Can you rely on them?
To little to late.
Hmm...there are 1.2 Billion cars to be replaced on the planet...no one is really too late at all...we are far, far away from any kind of market saturation.
Even norway, with 98% EV Sales, have still 80% ICEs in use.
They will fail
Why do VW products look so boring? They are so dated and dull. They are also too expensive compared to the competition.
This is why the new CEO fired the Chief Designer and replaced him.
Search for ID2All and ID GTI and you will see the new design language for the future.
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Ooooh goody. Have we finally got 600 miles (1000km) at 75 mph (120 kmph) and a 5 min recharge? No, oh bollox. Will stick with my diesel thanks and it's half the price to buy and cheaper to run than public charge rates. I'll get another one just before the ban comes in coz there will always be diesel for HGVs, ships and trains so there will be some for my car.
My thoughts exactly 😂
Yes, but we are close to that...the next Generation of Mercedes (CLA) and BMW (neue Klasse) will already use the new Generation of Batteries and Chargers.
They announced around 15mins for 400km Charging...and 700km Range...compared to 35mins for about 250km Charging, which is common today.
Ok, still no 1000km like a Diesel (I am driving one, too)...but starting with 100% Batterie, means easily 1000km per day, with a stop of 15mins, which would you do anyway on such a distance.
VW is a little bit slower I am afraid and it will take a real facelift in 2024/25 for something like this...or even 2027, when not only Audi is using 800v Systems, but VAG in general.
And still they don't make money with these car.....Vw on brink of collapse
Why telling lies...Tesla Fanboy?
VW had record incoming the last year.
And this is partly owned by government...it will never collapse simply due to this...like Renault in France.
@@josefv8708 you have no clue obviously.
The ID's still look UGLY. Wouldnt even buy it if it was cheaper
Same for me, for Teslas...Model Y looks like a Puffer fish on adrenaline...ugly as hell.
As always...it is a matter of your taste, and we as consumers can be happy for any competition.
Just buy this trash - because I need something to laugh.
100%! Vw is Trash, and, Vw is a criminal Cheater Company! I am german, i know it!!
So current MEB owners already have legacy software, and don’t get a new version. GREAT JOB VW 🫠 I would be so pissed as a VW owner with 2 years old MEB car