I got a 2023 RWD and have been pleasantly surprised by how good the real world range is. I recently went on a 234 mile day trip, and it used only 72% of the battery, which corresponds to a range of 325 miles, which is 50 miles over the EPA range of 275 miles.
Leased a 23 pro s AWD last weekend. Love it so far. Rides like a luxury car, feels impeccably put together. It was a pain until the home charger was installed-which was made worse by it being around 20 F the first week which killed range and slowed fast charging. It’s been a dream since the 220 outlet was installed
I got my Pro S back in June of 2021. Perhaps 3 or 4 times there were burps in the software that were easily corrected by a restart of the Infotainment setup. After the new 3.1 update it's been even better. Faster charging, greater range and faster B mode recoup of power. Love the backup of the seat upon leaving and return to the proper setting once you're seated. Hope it stays reliable like this. Better by far than an ICE car.
ID4 owner and I am loving it!! I am at 35,000 miles and the same, no issues with the car. I am also from Illinois and would like to meet other ID4 Owners…. Barely any around my area. Great video and keep up the good work.
Great! Glad you are enjoying it. Unfortunately, we have come to an end for our ID.4 journey. We still love it, would still buy it again as a 1st EV, but we have done about everything we can with the ID.4 and since we have youtube channel, we are moving to another EV.
@@offtheshelfrides totally understand and I agree, indeed the ID4 is a very good car for people that want to switch over as that’s what I did, switched over from a Kia soul to the ID4. I have been thinking on getting a Tesla model Y but now that the Tesla chargers are opening up to non-teslas I think I will be keeping my ID4.
@@Nate-vf2js have not been able to find one, it be nice to meet other ID4 owner and hear their experience. I guess I’m gonna have to start one of there aren’t any.
So glad I waited for the chevys. 320 miles on my Equinox and has a A class heat pump. Literally better in every single way and the best part is it costs less than ID4 lol.
Thank you very much for an honest review of your ID-4. You are the FIRST one that didn't reference Tesla, or flat out performance compared to ( enter the brand here). This was real world. I am a HUGE VW fan, have owned 5 and one Porsche. They build a great car, but not the best in electronics. That was the main thing I am currently researching. I plan on getting one, the Pro S like yours, but a new 2022. I live in Mississippi which currently as the worse charge infrastructure of any state, odd since Nissan builds the Leaf here. I bought the BMW i-3 and installed a charger in my garage. Loved it, no issues, but was driving just beyond the charge range daily and had to use the REX a lot. Not to mention there was, at the time, only one place you could get replacement tires for it...and they were pricey. The VW place near here had several first editions and I was able to drive one when they first arrived. As is the case, they would not sell one on the ground and you had to order on line..and as I suspected...as time when on, they have a surplus and you can now get a new one off the lot. Again thank you for a GREAT review.
You are welcome. I hope you get the one you want. When we got ours, we had to drive almost 400 miles to get it. The local dealership was overpriced even for used ones plus a mandatory $1800 ceramic coat and anti theft.....we got ours as a Manager Demo- 2100 miles, $1300 under MSRP, plus tax credit and free charging. Good Luck!
I have a 2021 iD4 and recently updated software. For a week after the update the car would not connect to my iphone app. VW fixed this over the air and now the car needs to know who is the driver (me, my wife, or a guest). It involves touching the screen to confirm I am the driver. After that the new software is faster. I like some of the new features, including the automatic hold when I stop. Other than that the car has worked will for us.
That's great! I did hear that the profile thing pops up every time, that would be annoying. Mach-E stays on 1 profile until you change it. Glad it's working out great!
ID 3.1 lets you seamlessly engage/disengage lane centering and keep adaptive cruise on. Also faster in tracking cars coming and going from in front of us. 3.1 came on our 2022 and has been very good.😊
Just got my 22:2322:23 id4 in December 20th 1400 miles so far love it no problems with 22:23 anything! Just drive it Enjoy your show I’m in IL also south side Chicago.
looking to buy one now and thats a great review thanks! i did smile at "volkswagen have been making cars since 1945..." they definitely avoid their history before 1945 alright xD
Thanks for a real life review 👍 and not the common „VW Bashing“ I’ll get my ID.3 here in Germany after we could test one with SW 3.2 for 3 weeks hopefully in October. Cheers from 🇩🇪
Thanks for sharing! We did really like the ID.4 and might get another with the updated software. That's great to hear about your ID.3! If you don't already watch him, @batterylife has a lot of ID.3 content and is from Germany also.
My tires on rear lasted only 17k miles. My front and rear tires are not the same size so can't be rotated. The travel assist is horrible. If not for the software glitches and lack of battery conditioning it would be a great car. Right now it's s good car.
Thanks for the update. I have 14,000 miles on my 2022. So far only some minor glitches. Its a shame that VW hasn't updated most of the 2021's yet. Already shopping tires for mine.
Adaptive cruise: Yep... my 2019 Toyota Rav4 does the same. I gave a warning on my Rav4 site when I first got my Rav4 about cars in front of you going off the road. Annoying on hwy on off ramps and you are doing 30 mph when the car is way on the off ramp. I now just hit "cancel" and when car gets half way off, hit resume again.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this thorough review. Am in the market for a new car and want electric but have concerns b/c am in a cold weather state (MA) and have been trying to find a person with an EV that wasn’t in CA to talk about an EV in cold weather. MA has some terrible roads (potholes galore) can you tell me how the car is with potholes, speed bumps etc. and how is it driving in the snow?
Glad it was helpful! Of course, try to avoid the potholes, but otherwise is does a good job absorbing impacts. Ride quality is good. As for snow, I had no issues, the car is heavy and rear wheel drive went through normal amounts of snow without problems. Our car came with the Hankook tires, people with the Bridgestone tires complained of snow traction issues.
This is an swesome review! I got my ID4 in Dec (2022 Pro RWD). I have been surprised by the range loss in the cold weather! I had to chuckle at the software review. Every thing you said, has happened! I was locked in the car at one point and had to use the keyfob to unlock the door so I could exit! None of the buttons inside worked. The screen has turned off while driving, the rear view camera stayed on and yelled as I was driving forward, and just like you said a simple reset is all it took. I was a little spooked by the locking doors while I was still inside though, can't deny that.
nice video...I have had an ID.4 1st edition for more than 2 years now and experience the exact same stuff...some quirks in the software have been there...but no big deal...the issue with km and mph displaying at the same time happened to me once as well...but usually a simple reset solves the rare strangeness...still love my id.4
I really appreciate this straight forward no drama review. The ID4 has many of the characteristics that I like and it’s one of the few in my price range that qualifies for the tax credit. However, the lack of a heat pump is kind of a deal breaker for me. My guess is they’ll put one in once things get more competitive, but until they do, it’s off my list. 🤷♂️
Glad I could help. They do put heat pumps in the ones going to Canada and in Europe. Sometimes I think they all think the whole U.S. is like California
Nokian Tyres are great and underrated ... i have Nokian Tyres (winter) on my golf7 in Europe they are on par with micheling and continental ... and they are made in NOKIA FINLAND they are perfect for winter... and yes they are a little more cheaper than the other 2 brands.
This year was a mild winter but last year we had heavy snow. I had no problem driving through 4"-6" of snow. My car had the 19" wheels with Hankook KINERGY all-season tires. I heard the ones with the Bridgestone tires had a lot of issues in the snow.
My wife and I just got the 2023 ID4 PRO and blue color (which is a pretty dark turquoise blue that changes color depending on the light; my wife likes the brown seat accents but I'm not a fan, but the blue exterior only gives you this option). It does have it's cons, but I wouldn't call the acceleration soulless as some say, just very mid, but the turning is really accurate and makes remarkably tight turns when need be. Like a lot of car companies making electric cars, Volkswagen chose to bury way too much into the touch screen (look how minimal and futuristic!!!--said no one ever), but the light haptics are nice at the bottom. With two cars over a decade old, I did over a year of research in buying my family's first electric car as our world faces climate change chaos, and while there is trade-offs with almost any car you purchase this is the best all-electric SUV you can buy in 2023. My wife bought this for her commute in July of 2023, and it has been a wonderful purchase. Ranked #4 in Car in Driver for Electric SUVS, this is actually #1 when you realize that the cars ranked above it are definitely not SUVs, but rather just small luggage, low-riding sedans on an SUV frame: Ioniq 5 (#1); EV6 (#2); Mach-E (#3). The only other car this far up on the list is the Nissan Ariya (#5) that comes with a stellar design and actually looks like an SUV with a high center of gravity, but its definitely more expensive and doesn't come with federal tax credit (the batteries aren't made in the US). As I am in California, we will get $2,000 tax rebate + the federal tax credit of $7,500. And when you take this into consideration, the Volkswagen ID4 is a bargain as the tax credits kick in making it slightly cheaper than almost any hybrid SUV on the market. Electric cars are about 1/3 to 1/4 of the energy cost to fossil fuel cars, and have 50% less expense for maintenance. So if you are looking for a sensible (instead sporty and sexy) car, especially for SUVs with ample luggage space for families, this is the best on the market.
I don't have a lot of experience with Teslas. As for the ID.4, The newest version of the ID.4 is what you want. Upgraded, more powerful, more efficient rear drive motor and new, improved software. I would say ID.4, I would definitely buy this newest one. 2021 and 2022 models are troublesome.
good video....meanwhile, in the UK i managed 6000 miles for OEM rear tyres on my ID3! Switched to none EV spec and they have 2mm left as the car just hit 23k...hopefully my new ID5 has better wear rate!
@@offtheshelfrides maybe the new mk2 ID cars coming at the end of the year will make the move over. I will say ok the id3 it was fitted with 215/55/r18 tyres EV specific so they were terrible for grip and handling but were low rolling resistance - my change to 225/50/r18 increased tyre life but also lost me about 20 miles of range. I feel the tyre size coming on the 5 has more options with regards to tyre choice E.g. potential Michelin Pilot Sport tyres being made in the size needed.
I normally just tip the brake a little bit to turn down the travel assist. Turn it on by your steering wheel and off with your brake. After a few times that was a convenient workaround for me. If you change your tiers be aware that the original tiers are special designed for ev’s (low resistance). So if you change them with standard tiers, you will lose some range.
So the thing is, when you touch the brake, it still shuts off the cruise. You should be able to turn on and off lane centering without shutting off the cruise control also.
Mine came with Pirelli Zero tires, which tend to give an extra 20% efficiency in most vehicles. I also purchased a set of Pirelli Zero Winter, on rims for Winter use, they also have the energy effiency factor.
I still love our First Edition. That said, we have been put on notice that the battery has a major issue. The car could come to a sudden stop and maybe cause an accident. The car is under recall and VW doesn’t yet have a fix. This after at least two or three battery updates that never happened. All of this at the same time as the rebates and Tesla’s lowering it’s prices. Now we are trading it in for a Model Y. It turns out the AWD id4 is the same price as the Y. The current issue means we are not inclined to take this car on the road. Thanks for your videos. Let me know what you think, Patti Mackin Chicago
The car will not come to a sudden stop my wife's first edition has the error code for it but no problems. She got lights on the dash but once the pulse inverter rebooted it was fine.
@Eric Coultas He is referring to the NEW email VW sent out and they stated the High Voltage battery could reset resulting in loss of power and control of the vehicle and could cause an accident. Most likely, nothing major will happen or the would have instructed people not to drive them. I don't think it will suddenly stop, but you never know what could happen.
@@offtheshelfrides I know what email he is talking about. I have 2 21's. The wife's car had the fault and it did not cause and power loss that she could feel. I went thru the bolt battery mess so this is a walk in the park.
VW have been building cars since the 1930's. So its like the F35 jet fighter that sometimes needs rebooting. Be careful fitting tyres that have unknown or not so well known branding. In the UK my Cupra Born (not available in USA) is built on the same ID4 platform and has had similar software glitches to your car, mine is a 2022 built in Germany.
The ID.4 became available in quantity in the USA when the Chattanooga plant came on line. When I purchased mine last year it was made here in the USA. Depending on various US regulation, there were (at one time) around 140 structural changes to be able to import a Non-USA made vehicle for sale. So there are distinct structural differences. There has been a typical "fake news" approach to reviews of the ID. 4 in this country (USA). They all seem to be written by the same person. And that person complained about the piano black as being cheap plastic (the opposite of truth). I came close to buying '21 model because I like the White steering wheel with blue accents. The fake news people, with no experience to justify it, claimed it would be hard to keep clean. My only complaint is that I could not justify the extra charges for it. Out of 60 cars available only one had the white interior, likely because it's the top package. The '23 ID.4 that I purchased is listed as having a 275 mile range on a 100% charge (of course you can't get too low or it may stop on you). The first week I reach 300 on a 100% charge. Winter driving range dropped by about 40 miles. My dealer let me drive an ID. 4 for a weekend, which is the ONLY time I paid for charging. NONE of the DC fast chargers (other than Tesla) are within 25 miles and I seldom use them. I drove a lot at first. Now I'm down to about 150 miles a week. It's still cold here (37 F last night ) last night. I have two destinations I go to regularly that are about 100 miles away. I can drive that 200 miles and have 40 to 60 miles left, even in the cold. The EA chargers often won't support their rated transfer rate. I found on (about 40 miles away) that could take my from 10 to 80% is about 20 miles (150 KWH). Most of the EA chargers are considerably slower. I have an Emporia 48 amp charger ($.08 cents per KW) It charges at 37-38 miles per hour. Using the pre-heat function from the ID.4 to heat the cabin causes the battery to be heated and added considerable range. A 60 amp breaker could not run the Emporia longer than maybe 20 minutes before tripping. I changed that to the 70 amp breaker, hard wired. I had heard that Canadian ID.4s came with the heat pump. It was also claimed to dramatically increase mileage (but proved to be far less that what was claimed). The Canadian ID.4 can be purchased with heat pump for something like $1500 (I have heard). Lane keeping assist, is dangerous for me. I've have had it move halfway into the opposite lane for no reason. It's better on Interstates, but I seldom use it. I don't drive in center lane. I drive some to the right. this is largely because many approaching drivers are one or over the center line. They cannot be trusted. I can turn off just the lane center by it's self. I can easily turn centering on or off, or turn it on in the setup section. The lag in accelerating when some one turns off may be due to VWs Junior when it achieved 1st place but was down rated for passing a stopped vehicle during the Darpa Urban challenge. The VW Stanley won the Darpa Grand challenge outright (and was the 1st to actually finish that trial). These are autonomous vehicle trials. My only issue with the software was that it requires I log in once in a while. Replacement tires must be EV rated. Goodyear has announced that they are working on tires that can last 70,000 while most EV tires typically achieve 20,000. I enjoyed the driving coach on my '18 Tiguan. I now use an Iphone app that rates my driving. This has, I believe, dramatically increased my tire life, range, and pays me back a little bit. Several insurance companies provide these and there are some that are not related to insurance. The Television Program "Motor Week" originates in Maryland. They have chosen the ID.4 as the BEST EV on the market. I have over 8000 miles with more than 12 32nds of tread. Several EV makes are switching to the Tesla NACM charger plug. VW has announced that they will be in future changed to NACM. They said they'll provide and adapter no charge to owners with CCS sockets. Would I buy another ID.4? Probably not. The reasons I wanted that body and style no longer exist. I'd probably go for a Jetta next time. If it was in my price range, I'd consider the ID.7 or maybe an ID.4 GTX but I'm sure they won't be.
Wow! Thanks for all that info. I am glad you enjoy it and it has treated you well. Yes, media can carry a lot of clout, too much I think. I try my best to be fair and I only report my experiences with a vehicle.
@@offtheshelfridesThere is a distinct bias against VW, some of which is government and some from Fake Media. Unlike most newcomers to the dishonesty media, I've been complaining about it since the 80'. There used to be (I don't know if it still exists) a bias against foreign made pickup trucks. I know that the Japanese typically have their beds made in the USA. But, I'd like to see the Amarok made here. I've been telling VW for about 24 years that they cannot be considered as seriously as they should without a Pickup truck. Some sites rank the Honda Ridgeline as the finest pickup made at this time. I've also asked that VW be a leader, not a follower in technology integration and availability. At one time I was a Honda salesman, more recently I sold Hyundai. When Honda came out with the first Accord they included most of the features standard. That caused quit a stir. I hate the model differentiation that exist in the industry. I had to pay $thousands more to get features that make my life more comfortable. These fall into areas of safety, and of usability. I have back and other nerve problems. I prefer to have my grocers pick my items and load my vehicle. With the '21 Tiguan there was no interior release. The foot swipe is a good feature to have also. Three areas I had of major concern were: A. No interior hatch release (on my '21 Tiguan AWD) B. Insufficient turn lighting C. Adaptive Cruise Control These were resolved in my ID.4 and were the reason I was willing to pay so much more than my '21 Tiguan. A major complaint I have with German cars is there affection for all black interiors.
Your cold range drop is consistent with what i saw this winter, however running in warm temp, no ac i can get 290+. Are you citing range from 80% charge?
No, the 2021 range was EPA 250 miles. We could get as much as 260 driving conservatively, but not much more. Remember, we live in the Midwest, we are about 20-30 minute drive from everything.
Lol, mainly because is was our main car. My wife has medical issues that resulted in a 350 mile round trip 1x per month for treatments. Family lives 190 miles away, that was another 380 miles 1x per month. I only drove my truck back n forth to work, took the id.4 everywhere else, we only spent about $50/month is gas for my truck (less than 600 miles per month) We also live in the Midwest, wide open area, we drive 30 miles just to go to the store. So we averaged about 130 - 150 miles per day.
Thanks, for the Vaseline smoothed out reporting. Unfortunately the reality of many other owners do not match your description, creating doubt in your video content.
Everyone has their own opinion, every car is different, and every person has a different feel about similar situations. All I can do is give MY honest opinion whether another person would view it the same or not.
Not that we saw. We only had it for a year and illinois doesn't have as much issues with rust as say Minnesota. But yes, more than say Texas. We mostly see surface rust on under body part, rarely do we see rust eating through frames like they see in Northern states and upper East coast.
I just wanted to post what my experience has been with my 2021 ID.4 Pro S RWD. I have owned it since July 2021, and currently at 31,000 miles. I have had no maintenance issues, and replaced my rear tires at 25,000 miles and currently have 31,000 on my front tires and I think I can get 35,000 to 40,000 miles on them, time will tell. Have I had the occasional glitch with a screen, a sensor or a screen blank for a minute? Of course, but they all went away after turning the car off and back on just like a computer reboot. I have had no hard fails. There’s been a lot of chatter lately about the EA chargers and I wanted to give you my take on it. I travel to work one day a week and its about 170 miles round trip, and I always hit the EA charger on the way back home. So I have probably used the EA charging system at least 75 - 100 times since buying my car. I have also taken what I call 5 long trips from just south of Atlanta to Melbourne, FL, Orlando, FL, Pensacola Beach, Fl. I have a Wallbox charger on a 50amp breaker which has so far worked flawlessly as a level 2 charger. My experience with EA chargers has been really excellent. Have I had a charger not work or charge slow? Of course, but I immediately called EA to either report it or get it rebooted, which 9 times out of 10 fixes the issue. Only one time did I have a charger that could not be revived and it was in Orlando, Florida at a mall where the chargers get heavy use. I charge now standard to 90%, and I have seen no degradation and with a 100,000 mile, 8yr warranty I am not worried. Today I was at 245 mile range on the Guess-O-Meter at 90%. At 100% I have gotten as high as 275 miles. I have never opened the EA App to charge, I simply plug the charger into my car, once it establishes communication, I double click my iPhone for Apple Pay point it at the flat back box on the charger and when I hear a ping I know its going to charge. Again I have no idea how an Android phone works with EA chargers. I drive most of the time in Comfort Mode, unless on a long trip then I stay in ECO mode. I go in Sport Mode just for fun but I have never worried that I didn’t have enough power to keep up with the rest of the pack on the highway. I have found that playing with the modes you lose about 2 miles of range for each increase in mode from Eco to Comfort to Sport. When I use a charger the last thing I really care about is the Kw speed. I know thats what a lot of you complain about but what matters to me is “Time” and especially my personal time. So if I am at 20%, I expect to be at 80% in about 30 minutes (in a perfect world you should be charging at about 7 miles a minute) and 100% in about 50 minutes. I can live with that and again if it says its going to be way longer then I either change to a different charger or if no others are available I am calling EA to have that charger looked at and rebooted. 9 times out of 10 that fixes the issue. If you want to bash EA that’s fine, but at least post what your initial charge was, were you at 20% or less or were you at 40 to 50%? That makes a huge difference on where you are on the charging curve and how many Kw’s you going to get or how long it will take. For those of you who think EA is monitoring the charging speed of thousands of chargers across the USA you will be sadly mistaken, they are not. That is why I stress to people to call in malfunctioning chargers or they will not get an engineering ticket against them and they won’t get fixed which screws it for the next person who wants to use that charger. So that’s been my experience with my ID.4.
Thank you! I wasn't bashing EA, I was stating the charging speeds due to cold weather because the battery in the ID.4 is cold due to the temperatures and there isn't battery preconditioning to get the max speeds. I see that you live in a warmer climate, so this doesn't affect you as much. 90% of the time, I have not had issues with EA.
@@offtheshelfrides Tesla automatically preconditions the battery if you have a Supercharger as a destination, or a waypoint. I don't know if VW takes customer suggestions like Tesla does, but I would lobby for a preconditioning button if they did. I have only had my car a week and was expecting to see something closer to the 170kW max than the 60-70kW I have been getting. Both days I tried the CCS charge it was 45-48 degrees and I had driven about 12 miles to one station and about 2 miles to the other, so I guess that is the answer. Hopefully it will be better for the summer road trips.
@Ken Mcclow It takes 15-20 minutes for the car to precondition the battery for optimal charging. Of course that depends on the car but at least 15 min would be a good estimate.
Is VW not able to update this software to match the 2022 2023 models? I'm thinking about buying one of these but don't want buyers remorse if I get a 2021
They can update to I think 3.2. The best would be to get one that is already updated. The easy way to figure out if it has been updated is on the Drivers display. If it shows state-of-charge percentage (above 10%) then it has been updated. The old version only showed the percentage under 10%.
First off, best review I've found on this vehicle - thanks! Was just curious about a couple things... I've learned that the front and rear tires are different sizes. Was wondering how, or if you had the tires rotated (i.e. left to right and vice versa)? The ID.4 has the two pedal action with the ability to coast. Have you had a chance to experience the single pedal action and compared the two? BTW, I'm actually looking at the ID.4 and the Cadillac Lyriq as my two EV car choices. Not really sure all the extra bells and whistles are worth the extra $15K on the Cadillac, but it sure is nice.
Thank you and glad I could help. Yes the wheels are a staggered setup. I never rotated them, I just replaced the rears at around 25K miles. "D" mode is your ICE equivalent, when you let off the gas you will coast and have to apply the brake to slow down - note that you still get regenerative Braking when pressing the brake pedal. "B" Mode is VW's 1-pedal driving, but it does not bring you to a stop. It takes you down to 2-3 mph then you have to use the brakes to stop. The ID.4 is a great choice, especially the Pro S. I would just say don't buy a 2021. 2022 or 2023 come with the newest software and a little increase in range. In case you didn't know hear is my ID.4 playlist with about 30 videos all about the 2021 ID.4 - ruclips.net/p/PLS_G6cel1DH9mWl0ZmeWpM7BUvhN5YKws
Nice! Mines been fantastic too. I have the 21 1st edition and just got the 3.1 software update a couple weeks back.. luckily right before they stopped doing it at the servicing. Software is definitely smoother less glitchy. The Auto hold has been the best improvement so far that Ive noticed. I also did the tires.. at 20k miles :( The rears were at 2.5-3. Terrible. I did buy some Michelin Crossclimate2, $1100 for all 4. Very noticeable improvement in ride quality and less road noise... from an already pretty smooth/quiet ride. Also the tires have a 65000 warranty, prorated so if in another 20k miles they are worn down another full set would only be 280. Not bad. No costs other than that.. VW told me the brakes still look 90 percent too.
Unfortunately, we don't have MG here. We replaced ours with the Mustang Mach-E and another youtuber replaced his with a Polestar 2 and now has a Tesla Model 3, lol
Mach E has the same issue with not recognizing when a car is no longer in the way. I’ve had it apply emergency braking to avoid a car that’s already out of the way.
I noticed that, but it didn't seem to delay as much. I hate when it brakes for someone in another lane...lol I think it's just aggrevating because your not expecting it.
I've owned several VW Passats that have had similar software glitchs as described in your video where the rear camera does not function or infotainment system doesn't activate until after driving 10 min or longer. I think what is happening is that prior to shutting down the car the infotainment system received an OTA (over-the-air) software download and the next time the car is started the install process delays the infotainment system from starting until the software is fully installed. Not sure this is what is causing the problem only a theory.
These early 2021 ID.4's aren't even updatedable without going to the dealership and having new hardware swapped because they didn't put the right ones in it from the start. They were doing that but it started causing problems so they stopped until they could fix the issue. I believe they just rushed it and software people just weren't up to par with what an EV actually needed.
I believe the issue that's holding back Mass purchasing of electric vehicles is the battery charge output; if they could get it up to over 400 I think I would be right there buying one immediately!
I believe the future is smaller batteries (200 mile range) with faster charging ( 5-10 minutes for 10-100%) but smaller batteries won't happen until we get the infrastructure to chargers every 50 miles
@@offtheshelfrides Absolutely. It's pointless paying for a 400 mile battery when you never go that far anyway. Statistically it's extremely rare. The one time in your life when you do you can take 1 more charging stop instead. 200 miles of range and faster charging is exactly what should happen and that's what future battery tech points to.
@Success Training Services yes. I have a couple videos and shorts of a 2012 Model S that I borrowed from a dealership on my channel. Tesla has the best, most reliable software and charging network, but other than the model s. The cars are not very appealing from a stylistic view.
@Success Training Services mine was a 2021 so things have changed, plus we don't have the id.4 anymore, you should check out my other videos, it's been crazy over here! Lol
Sorry, I'm American on an American youtube channel, so I will use Miles and F°. Sorry, if it bothers you, hope you will continue to watch and follow my content.
@@offtheshelfrides well… I just watch your other video! I live in Quebec and VW told us we might receive our ID.4 without thermopompe due to the lack of microprocessor… I’m starting to check the Model Y even if it’s more expensive. What do you think?
@Louis Audet Teslas have come down in price recently and you can probably grab a used one for less than the ID.4. The biggest issue with not having the heat pump is that vw does warm or precondition the battery. Our now Ford Mach-E doesn't have a heat pump either but they precondition the battery if you schedule a departure time so the cabin and battery are warm when you leave and you lose less range, the also precondition when heading to a charger to get max charging similar to Tesla
Very balanced review. I have an ID.4 2021 version and I had a very similar impression, I had only one instance on a very hot day (110+) in West Texas after charging the car in an EA station the car went completely crazy, driver assistance was no working and all kind of lights came on, but we could drive the car. In the evening after the temperature fell below 100 everything starting working again. A few days later I took it to the dealer and they could not find anything wrong but they reset some of the internal controllers just in case. Would I buy it again? Not sure, now that the Tesla gets the 7.5K tax credit it is a much tougher call, particularly because of the SuperCharger network, which is incredibly much better than EA. It also does not help the VW can not get their act together in updating the SW and that the car, at least for now, does not have an effective OTA update.
We have had the driver assist items stop working randomly also. I understand the Tesla aspect, but for someone coming from a gas vehicle to electric, I feel the ID.4 will be less disturbing and feel more natural. After driving it for a year, I would get something with a little more power...which we may have already done...lol
Definitely not, piano black plastic ain't posh at all, only valid solution for adding some flare in the cabin is natural glass surfaces, though that's found only on the top end of car industry products.
Yes, it was mainly price, plus we just really don't like the looks of the Model Y. At the time we bought ours, it was the middle of covid...and Model Y was pushing $60k and we got our fully loaded ID.4 for $44k, $1800 under sticker price...it was an incredible deal that included driving 350 miles away to get it.
@@offtheshelfrides fair enough. I've owned different Teslas since 2016 and while they aren't perfect I've yet to find another EV with better range, charging infrastructure and software.
@Mike Smith yes, all of those things, Tesla does great! I would definitely own an S or X if the price was right. But, with so many new and cool EV'S out there, I feel Tesla needs to step-up design wise with the 3 and Y. No Doubt Tesla is the most trusted when it comes to software and charging!
@@offtheshelfrides I agree. It's annoying how they still only make a few cars and don't really improve them much. Problem is once you own one it's hard to drive something else.
Here in Los Angeles, every second car is a Tesla (or at least looks like it). I don't find that enticing. Model 3 is reliable but the rest have plenty of problems. All the superchargers are crowded and in my case I don't have one within 10 miles, so there are 0 benefits for me to get a Tesla.
@@offtheshelfrides Yes, my dealership has a 2022 in the showroom that they are not able to sell because of this issue. They are waiting on guidance from VW. Apparently this doesn't affect the 2023 models.
Love the exterior of this car, but the interior is awful!! The screen on top brings me back years when people purchased gadgets sticking them all over the dash!! This is tacky and cheep looking… to put it simple… 90% for the exterior, if this car had the same dash integration as the 2023 Hyundai Tucson definitely get 100%
Thanks to our marvelous, genius and wise politicians here in Germany, I pay up to $ 65,- per charge for my ID.4 on a hypercharger. And no, I have no choice, because the card is from my company. EV sucks! 🤢
That is not the EV's fault. I thought id.4 had free charging or discounted through we connect? I watch @batterylife out of Germany and he talks about these discount charging companys. Might check into that.
If you are talking about not buying gas as free then yes, DC Fast Charging is free for 3 years. Charging at home costs about $50/month, so 6x less money spent on electric than gas.
VW has not been proven with electric cars. And especially the ID.4 and ID.6. The fact that others cars have had parts replaced and had software issues only shows that you and your wife got lucky. Lets talk about the ID4 after the warranty period.
Yes, we were lucky, but that it the way it seems to go with all cars now. Even the ICE cars have issues that plague them, when others with the same setup, don't have problems...so we'll see if they can all get it straightened out.
@@offtheshelfrides no offense. I drive a citroen with hydropneumatic suspension and just can't ger over with EV suspensions (although actively looking for one). I haven't tried tesla, but heard they're total disaster
It actually did save us money, but you have to be in the right position. We were truly saving. We only financed 1/4 of the price and we put 30K miles on it in a year of ownership. Only about $60 electricity increase, which we pay $0.10/kw. Free EA charging...also..we save $100's each month. Gas would have been ridiculous, considering it was over $4/gallon then
@@offtheshelfrides Using Canadian numbers with metric numbers ($CAD, km, liters), comparing an ID.4 with a CR-V. Driving 15k per year. Using prices including taxes and freight etc. $1.50/liter. $0.15/kWh. CR-V considering winter = 8.5l/100km. ID.4 28 kWh/100km. I'm skewing a slight favor for the ID.4 here. CR-V in 10 years = $40k + $2k/yr in fuel = $60k. ID.4 = $52 1/2 k (including government incentive discount) + $650/yr in hydro = $59k. So the cost of driving, not considering maintenance, is about the same over 10 years. This comparison would change a lot when you drive, like what, 30k miles, 48k km? That's an awful lot of driving. From my standpoint, a car for regular around town use, not for commercial use, but to do groceries, pick up the kids and take them to sports, regular summer vacation, weekend trips not too too far away, the ID.4 or any other EV, won't save one money. I compared it to a CR-V, but there are other choices that cost less. Like the Rogue, or major breakthrough, cost wise anyway, the new Trax. The ID.4 drives way nicer, granted. I did similar comparisons with the Outlander PHEV vs Rogue vs RAV4 vs CR-V. Most families won't save money picking the much more expensive PHEV. It's disappointing, because you'd figure that all this EV and PHEV stuff should let one save money, but it falls short. And then there is the probably of availability and dealers jacking up the price. The ID.4 price here, that's not the price you'd pay at the dealer. Dealer with have bullshit stories how the base model isn't a thing, and they toss in extras like mandatory rim protection and other fluff to jack up the price. They do this because they can. It's absolutely *THE* very worst time in history to buy a car it seems. It's so depressing, I tell people to not bother for now, let all the crap settle, and hang on to what you have....
@Antiorganizer appreciate the work you did, but I found the best comparison for anyone considering getting an EV, is to compare it to what they are driving. Average Miles THEY drive etc....that is the only way for it to make sense or not for each individual. We drive the ID.4 more than we normally would because it was cheaper than driving my f-150 so we drove it everywhere. My truck only went to work and home. We got our ID.4 from a dealership as a demo, 2300 miles, we bought it for $1800 under MSRP and got the $7500 tax credit, plus we had $34k in equity with our trade in.....we easily save money but not every situation is the same. Like, you calculations were fine, but I would not buy a CH-R so that comparison doesn't work for me. But I understand your point.
My 1986 Porsche 928S has a 23 gallon fuel tank and gets 24 mpg a range over 500 miles on the highway and takes 5 minutes to fill up does 0-60 in 5.7 sec and a top speed around 160 mph. The rear hatch has enough room for my folding ebike . I know how to fix it so no EVs for now unless the prices come down and charging time is reduced.
By far the best ID4 review on RUclips. Thank you for the straight forward review.
Thank you! I try to be as fair as possible.
I got a 2023 RWD and have been pleasantly surprised by how good the real world range is. I recently went on a 234 mile day trip, and it used only 72% of the battery, which corresponds to a range of 325 miles, which is 50 miles over the EPA range of 275 miles.
They can definitely over achieve if driven carefully and/or driving in or through a lot of towns. Glad you are enjoying it. They are great cars.
Leased a 23 pro s AWD last weekend. Love it so far. Rides like a luxury car, feels impeccably put together. It was a pain until the home charger was installed-which was made worse by it being around 20 F the first week which killed range and slowed fast charging. It’s been a dream since the 220 outlet was installed
Yes, the 23's should be good. Updated software, better charging speed, enjoy!
We also have a '21 with 31000 kms. Ours is an AWD Pro-S, and our experience has been very similar. We agree that the ID.4 is a great vehicle!
That's great! Glad you are enjoying it!
Replaced my Lexus RX350 for ID.4 over a year and have not regretted it. Very reliable car and would second all what was said.
From a Lexus to VW....now that is saying something! Glad your happy!
2 kinds of cars in the world VW and the rest 💯💯💯
Yes and VW haven’t got any better post dieselgate in my experience
Just finished a trip to Ok back to Northern California...over 3100 miles. found a lot of Electrify America stations at numerous Walmarts.
I got my Pro S back in June of 2021. Perhaps 3 or 4 times there were burps in the software that were easily corrected by a restart of the Infotainment setup. After the new 3.1 update it's been even better. Faster charging, greater range and faster B mode recoup of power. Love the backup of the seat upon leaving and return to the proper setting once you're seated. Hope it stays reliable like this. Better by far than an ICE car.
Glad you enjoy it!
ID4 owner and I am loving it!! I am at 35,000 miles and the same, no issues with the car. I am also from Illinois and would like to meet other ID4 Owners…. Barely any around my area. Great video and keep up the good work.
Great! Glad you are enjoying it. Unfortunately, we have come to an end for our ID.4 journey. We still love it, would still buy it again as a 1st EV, but we have done about everything we can with the ID.4 and since we have youtube channel, we are moving to another EV.
@@offtheshelfrides totally understand and I agree, indeed the ID4 is a very good car for people that want to switch over as that’s what I did, switched over from a Kia soul to the ID4. I have been thinking on getting a Tesla model Y but now that the Tesla chargers are opening up to non-teslas I think I will be keeping my ID4.
Don’t they have a id4 group
@@Nate-vf2js have not been able to find one, it be nice to meet other ID4 owner and hear their experience. I guess I’m gonna have to start one of there aren’t any.
I’m in Illinois and currently looking right now.
So glad I waited for the chevys. 320 miles on my Equinox and has a A class heat pump. Literally better in every single way and the best part is it costs less than ID4 lol.
They do look impressive
Thank you very much for an honest review of your ID-4. You are the FIRST one that didn't reference Tesla, or flat out performance compared to ( enter the brand here). This was real world. I am a HUGE VW fan, have owned 5 and one Porsche. They build a great car, but not the best in electronics. That was the main thing I am currently researching. I plan on getting one, the Pro S like yours, but a new 2022. I live in Mississippi which currently as the worse charge infrastructure of any state, odd since Nissan builds the Leaf here. I bought the BMW i-3 and installed a charger in my garage. Loved it, no issues, but was driving just beyond the charge range daily and had to use the REX a lot. Not to mention there was, at the time, only one place you could get replacement tires for it...and they were pricey. The VW place near here had several first editions and I was able to drive one when they first arrived. As is the case, they would not sell one on the ground and you had to order on line..and as I suspected...as time when on, they have a surplus and you can now get a new one off the lot. Again thank you for a GREAT review.
You are welcome. I hope you get the one you want. When we got ours, we had to drive almost 400 miles to get it. The local dealership was overpriced even for used ones plus a mandatory $1800 ceramic coat and anti theft.....we got ours as a Manager Demo- 2100 miles, $1300 under MSRP, plus tax credit and free charging. Good Luck!
I have a 2021 iD4 and recently updated software. For a week after the update the car would not connect to my iphone app. VW fixed this over the air and now the car needs to know who is the driver (me, my wife, or a guest). It involves touching the screen to confirm I am the driver. After that the new software is faster. I like some of the new features, including the automatic hold when I stop. Other than that the car has worked will for us.
That's great! I did hear that the profile thing pops up every time, that would be annoying. Mach-E stays on 1 profile until you change it. Glad it's working out great!
ID 3.1 lets you seamlessly engage/disengage lane centering and keep adaptive cruise on. Also faster in tracking cars coming and going from in front of us. 3.1 came on our 2022 and has been very good.😊
That's great! I heard 3.1 was pretty good
Just got my 22:23 22:23 id4 in December 20th 1400 miles so far love it no problems with
22:23 anything! Just
drive it
Enjoy your show I’m in IL also south side Chicago.
Awesome! Glad you love it as much as we do!
It’s a 23 model typo
looking to buy one now and thats a great review thanks! i did smile at "volkswagen have been making cars since 1945..." they definitely avoid their history before 1945 alright xD
Thanks for a real life review 👍 and not the common „VW Bashing“
I’ll get my ID.3 here in Germany after we could test one with SW 3.2 for 3 weeks hopefully in October.
Cheers from 🇩🇪
Thanks for sharing! We did really like the ID.4 and might get another with the updated software.
That's great to hear about your ID.3! If you don't already watch him, @batterylife has a lot of ID.3 content and is from Germany also.
@@offtheshelfrides I do watch him because even of his critics he stays fair
My tires on rear lasted only 17k miles. My front and rear tires are not the same size so can't be rotated. The travel assist is horrible. If not for the software glitches and lack of battery conditioning it would be a great car. Right now it's s good car.
Thanks for the update. I have 14,000 miles on my 2022. So far only some minor glitches. Its a shame that VW hasn't updated most of the 2021's yet. Already shopping tires for mine.
The biggest issue now is the battery recall
@@offtheshelfrides got a new battery at 10k miles . new tires every 8 months for the rear.
Adaptive cruise: Yep... my 2019 Toyota Rav4 does the same. I gave a warning on my Rav4 site when I first got my Rav4 about cars in front of you going off the road. Annoying on hwy on off ramps and you are doing 30 mph when the car is way on the off ramp. I now just hit "cancel" and when car gets half way off, hit resume again.
You probably can just press the accelerator to speed up without shutting off the adaptive
I would have watched til the end if you’d thrown some metric numbers on the screen as well.
Greetings from Denmark🤗
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this thorough review. Am in the market for a new car and want electric but have concerns b/c am in a cold weather state (MA) and have been trying to find a person with an EV that wasn’t in CA to talk about an EV in cold weather.
MA has some terrible roads (potholes galore) can you tell me how the car is with potholes, speed bumps etc. and how is it driving in the snow?
Glad it was helpful! Of course, try to avoid the potholes, but otherwise is does a good job absorbing impacts. Ride quality is good. As for snow, I had no issues, the car is heavy and rear wheel drive went through normal amounts of snow without problems. Our car came with the Hankook tires, people with the Bridgestone tires complained of snow traction issues.
Nice video going to buy an Id4 now from 2021 with 25km!! I’m curious about the software bugs you mentioned!! Haven’t the update resolved them?
If I has the updates on it, then you shouldn't experience the same issues, but there could be different ones...
This is an swesome review! I got my ID4 in Dec (2022 Pro RWD). I have been surprised by the range loss in the cold weather! I had to chuckle at the software review. Every thing you said, has happened! I was locked in the car at one point and had to use the keyfob to unlock the door so I could exit! None of the buttons inside worked. The screen has turned off while driving, the rear view camera stayed on and yelled as I was driving forward, and just like you said a simple reset is all it took. I was a little spooked by the locking doors while I was still inside though, can't deny that.
Yea, that is a new one! Lol
I have a 2023 ID4 and just last week I got 170kw charging speeds
That's awesome!
nice video...I have had an ID.4 1st edition for more than 2 years now and experience the exact same stuff...some quirks in the software have been there...but no big deal...the issue with km and mph displaying at the same time happened to me once as well...but usually a simple reset solves the rare strangeness...still love my id.4
Yes, we loved it as well.
Sounds great but the infotainment system needing reboots to work is disappointing.
System updates do not fix the issue?
Yes, the software updates fixed most of the major issues. If looking at a 21 or 22, make sure it has software 3.1 or 3.2.
I really appreciate this straight forward no drama review. The ID4 has many of the characteristics that I like and it’s one of the few in my price range that qualifies for the tax credit. However, the lack of a heat pump is kind of a deal breaker for me. My guess is they’ll put one in once things get more competitive, but until they do, it’s off my list. 🤷♂️
Glad I could help. They do put heat pumps in the ones going to Canada and in Europe. Sometimes I think they all think the whole U.S. is like California
@@offtheshelfrides no more heat pumps for the 2023 models in Canada. They stopped building them with the pumps as of week 9 of production.
@@tk6729 seriously? That is ridiculous
Y’all should voice y’all concerns to vw
I think VW has difficulty sources heat pumps from the supplier
The 5.0 software update is going to bring remote parking and remote door unlocking and locking
Nokian Tyres are great and underrated ... i have Nokian Tyres (winter) on my golf7 in Europe they are on par with micheling and continental ... and they are made in NOKIA FINLAND they are perfect for winter... and yes they are a little more cheaper than the other 2 brands.
Thanks for sharing!
Nice review! How does the rear wheel drive do in snowy conditions? Don’t know what your winters are like.
This year was a mild winter but last year we had heavy snow. I had no problem driving through 4"-6" of snow. My car had the 19" wheels with Hankook KINERGY all-season tires. I heard the ones with the Bridgestone tires had a lot of issues in the snow.
My wife and I just got the 2023 ID4 PRO and blue color (which is a pretty dark turquoise blue that changes color depending on the light; my wife likes the brown seat accents but I'm not a fan, but the blue exterior only gives you this option). It does have it's cons, but I wouldn't call the acceleration soulless as some say, just very mid, but the turning is really accurate and makes remarkably tight turns when need be. Like a lot of car companies making electric cars, Volkswagen chose to bury way too much into the touch screen (look how minimal and futuristic!!!--said no one ever), but the light haptics are nice at the bottom. With two cars over a decade old, I did over a year of research in buying my family's first electric car as our world faces climate change chaos, and while there is trade-offs with almost any car you purchase this is the best all-electric SUV you can buy in 2023. My wife bought this for her commute in July of 2023, and it has been a wonderful purchase. Ranked #4 in Car in Driver for Electric SUVS, this is actually #1 when you realize that the cars ranked above it are definitely not SUVs, but rather just small luggage, low-riding sedans on an SUV frame: Ioniq 5 (#1); EV6 (#2); Mach-E (#3). The only other car this far up on the list is the Nissan Ariya (#5) that comes with a stellar design and actually looks like an SUV with a high center of gravity, but its definitely more expensive and doesn't come with federal tax credit (the batteries aren't made in the US). As I am in California, we will get $2,000 tax rebate + the federal tax credit of $7,500. And when you take this into consideration, the Volkswagen ID4 is a bargain as the tax credits kick in making it slightly cheaper than almost any hybrid SUV on the market. Electric cars are about 1/3 to 1/4 of the energy cost to fossil fuel cars, and have 50% less expense for maintenance. So if you are looking for a sensible (instead sporty and sexy) car, especially for SUVs with ample luggage space for families, this is the best on the market.
Well said, thanks for sharing!
I'm deciding between this and Tesla. I live in sunny Cal so cold weather is no issue. Both cars have APR specials but ID is best so far
I don't have a lot of experience with Teslas. As for the ID.4, The newest version of the ID.4 is what you want. Upgraded, more powerful, more efficient rear drive motor and new, improved software. I would say ID.4, I would definitely buy this newest one. 2021 and 2022 models are troublesome.
Also, check on the lease deals, some are really good.
good video....meanwhile, in the UK i managed 6000 miles for OEM rear tyres on my ID3! Switched to none EV spec and they have 2mm left as the car just hit 23k...hopefully my new ID5 has better wear rate!
I wish we could get the ID.5 here! I feel the Tire companies were caught off guard by the EV explosion also and didn't do enough testing.
@@offtheshelfrides maybe the new mk2 ID cars coming at the end of the year will make the move over.
I will say ok the id3 it was fitted with 215/55/r18 tyres EV specific so they were terrible for grip and handling but were low rolling resistance - my change to 225/50/r18 increased tyre life but also lost me about 20 miles of range. I feel the tyre size coming on the 5 has more options with regards to tyre choice E.g. potential Michelin Pilot Sport tyres being made in the size needed.
@jamesbutler606 you might also look at Nokian and I believe Goodyear just came out with a new EV tire
I normally just tip the brake a little bit to turn down the travel assist. Turn it on by your steering wheel and off with your brake. After a few times that was a convenient workaround for me.
If you change your tiers be aware that the original tiers are special designed for ev’s (low resistance). So if you change them with standard tiers, you will lose some range.
So the thing is, when you touch the brake, it still shuts off the cruise. You should be able to turn on and off lane centering without shutting off the cruise control also.
Mine came with Pirelli Zero tires, which tend to give an extra 20% efficiency in most vehicles.
I also purchased a set of Pirelli Zero Winter, on rims for Winter use, they also have the energy effiency factor.
I still love our First Edition. That said, we have been put on notice that the battery has a major issue. The car could come to a sudden stop and maybe cause an accident. The car is under recall and VW doesn’t yet have a fix. This after at least two or three battery updates that never happened.
All of this at the same time as the rebates and Tesla’s lowering it’s prices. Now we are trading it in for a Model Y. It turns out the AWD id4 is the same price as the Y.
The current issue means we are not inclined to take this car on the road.
Thanks for your videos. Let me know what you think,
Patti Mackin
Chicago
Yes, we will not have ours long....so...keep watching!! Lol
The car will not come to a sudden stop my wife's first edition has the error code for it but no problems. She got lights on the dash but once the pulse inverter rebooted it was fine.
@Eric Coultas He is referring to the NEW email VW sent out and they stated the High Voltage battery could reset resulting in loss of power and control of the vehicle and could cause an accident. Most likely, nothing major will happen or the would have instructed people not to drive them. I don't think it will suddenly stop, but you never know what could happen.
@@offtheshelfrides I know what email he is talking about. I have 2 21's. The wife's car had the fault and it did not cause and power loss that she could feel. I went thru the bolt battery mess so this is a walk in the park.
VW have been building cars since the 1930's. So its like the F35 jet fighter that sometimes needs rebooting. Be careful fitting tyres that have unknown or not so well known branding. In the UK my Cupra Born (not available in USA) is built on the same ID4 platform and has had similar software glitches to your car, mine is a 2022 built in Germany.
Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching. Glad to hear things went pretty well. I see ID.4s around here a lot too.
It really is a great car despite some small annoyances
The ID.4 became available in quantity in the USA when the Chattanooga plant came on line. When I purchased mine last year it was made here in the USA. Depending on various US regulation, there were (at one time) around 140 structural changes to be able to import a Non-USA made vehicle for sale. So there are distinct structural differences.
There has been a typical "fake news" approach to reviews of the ID. 4 in this country (USA). They all seem to be written by the same person. And that person complained about the piano black as being cheap plastic (the opposite of truth). I came close to buying '21 model because I like the White steering wheel with blue accents. The fake news people, with no experience to justify it, claimed it would be hard to keep clean. My only complaint is that I could not justify the extra charges for it. Out of 60 cars available only one had the white interior, likely because it's the top package.
The '23 ID.4 that I purchased is listed as having a 275 mile range on a 100% charge (of course you can't get too low or it may stop on you). The first week I reach 300 on a 100% charge. Winter driving range dropped by about 40 miles. My dealer let me drive an ID. 4 for a weekend, which is the ONLY time I paid for charging. NONE of the DC fast chargers (other than Tesla) are within 25 miles and I seldom use them. I drove a lot at first. Now I'm down to about 150 miles a week. It's still cold here (37 F last night ) last night. I have two destinations I go to regularly that are about 100 miles away. I can drive that 200 miles and have 40 to 60 miles left, even in the cold.
The EA chargers often won't support their rated transfer rate. I found on (about 40 miles away) that could take my from 10 to 80% is about 20 miles (150 KWH). Most of the EA chargers are considerably slower. I have an Emporia 48 amp charger ($.08 cents per KW) It charges at 37-38 miles per hour. Using the pre-heat function from the ID.4 to heat the cabin causes the battery to be heated and added considerable range. A 60 amp breaker could not run the Emporia longer than maybe 20 minutes before tripping. I changed that to the 70 amp breaker, hard wired.
I had heard that Canadian ID.4s came with the heat pump. It was also claimed to dramatically increase mileage (but proved to be far less that what was claimed). The Canadian ID.4 can be purchased with heat pump for something like $1500 (I have heard).
Lane keeping assist, is dangerous for me. I've have had it move halfway into the opposite lane for no reason. It's better on Interstates, but I seldom use it. I don't drive in center lane. I drive some to the right. this is largely because many approaching drivers are one or over the center line. They cannot be trusted. I can turn off just the lane center by it's self. I can easily turn centering on or off, or turn it on in the setup section.
The lag in accelerating when some one turns off may be due to VWs Junior when it achieved 1st place but was down rated for passing a stopped vehicle during the Darpa Urban challenge. The VW Stanley won the Darpa Grand challenge outright (and was the 1st to actually finish that trial). These are autonomous vehicle trials.
My only issue with the software was that it requires I log in once in a while.
Replacement tires must be EV rated. Goodyear has announced that they are working on tires that can last 70,000 while most EV tires typically achieve 20,000. I enjoyed the driving coach on my '18 Tiguan. I now use an Iphone app that rates my driving. This has, I believe, dramatically increased my tire life, range, and pays me back a little bit. Several insurance companies provide these and there are some that are not related to insurance.
The Television Program "Motor Week" originates in Maryland. They have chosen the ID.4 as the BEST EV on the market. I have over 8000 miles with more than 12 32nds of tread.
Several EV makes are switching to the Tesla NACM charger plug. VW has announced that they will be in future changed to NACM. They said they'll provide and adapter no charge to owners with CCS sockets.
Would I buy another ID.4? Probably not. The reasons I wanted that body and style no longer exist. I'd probably go for a Jetta next time. If it was in my price range, I'd consider the ID.7 or maybe an ID.4 GTX but I'm sure they won't be.
Wow! Thanks for all that info. I am glad you enjoy it and it has treated you well. Yes, media can carry a lot of clout, too much I think. I try my best to be fair and I only report my experiences with a vehicle.
@@offtheshelfridesThere is a distinct bias against VW, some of which is government and some from Fake Media. Unlike most newcomers to the dishonesty media, I've been complaining about it since the 80'. There used to be (I don't know if it still exists) a bias against foreign made pickup trucks. I know that the Japanese typically have their beds made in the USA. But, I'd like to see the Amarok made here. I've been telling VW for about 24 years that they cannot be considered as seriously as they should without a Pickup truck. Some sites rank the Honda Ridgeline as the finest pickup made at this time.
I've also asked that VW be a leader, not a follower in technology integration and availability. At one time I was a Honda salesman, more recently I sold Hyundai. When Honda came out with the first Accord they included most of the features standard. That caused quit a stir. I hate the model differentiation that exist in the industry. I had to pay $thousands more to get features that make my life more comfortable. These fall into areas of safety, and of usability.
I have back and other nerve problems. I prefer to have my grocers pick my items and load my vehicle. With the '21 Tiguan there was no interior release. The foot swipe is a good feature to have also.
Three areas I had of major concern were:
A. No interior hatch release (on my '21 Tiguan AWD)
B. Insufficient turn lighting
C. Adaptive Cruise Control
These were resolved in my ID.4 and were the reason I was willing to pay so much more than my '21 Tiguan. A major complaint I have with German cars is there affection for all black interiors.
Serious question. Do people actually use cruise control in city driving?
I do, so I'm sure a lot of others do also.
Your cold range drop is consistent with what i saw this winter, however running in warm temp, no ac i can get 290+. Are you citing range from 80% charge?
No, the 2021 range was EPA 250 miles. We could get as much as 260 driving conservatively, but not much more. Remember, we live in the Midwest, we are about 20-30 minute drive from everything.
Nice Review! Wondering why you opted for the ID4 instead of a Tesla?
At the time, Price and we don't like the looks of the Y. They Y was almost $10k more. We wanted to be different and it made for good RUclips content.
Get the e-range tires they are great
I have the same model 2021 ID4, and it has had 5 recalls. I love the car, but even with the software updates that happen regularly, it's still clunky.
One year later, and I still can't comprehend how you rack up 30,000 miles of driving in an EV in only 12 months
Lol, mainly because is was our main car. My wife has medical issues that resulted in a 350 mile round trip 1x per month for treatments. Family lives 190 miles away, that was another 380 miles 1x per month. I only drove my truck back n forth to work, took the id.4 everywhere else, we only spent about $50/month is gas for my truck (less than 600 miles per month) We also live in the Midwest, wide open area, we drive 30 miles just to go to the store. So we averaged about 130 - 150 miles per day.
Great Video Your car looks very clean Did u install any PPF on?
No we didn't, but we wrapped the top and mirrors in black and a 1yr ceramic coat
Thanks, for the Vaseline smoothed out reporting. Unfortunately the reality of many other owners do not match your description, creating doubt in your video content.
Everyone has their own opinion, every car is different, and every person has a different feel about similar situations. All I can do is give MY honest opinion whether another person would view it the same or not.
With this car being driven in the rust belt, any corrosion issues with the undercarriage, suspension parts, or brake components?
Not that we saw. We only had it for a year and illinois doesn't have as much issues with rust as say Minnesota. But yes, more than say Texas. We mostly see surface rust on under body part, rarely do we see rust eating through frames like they see in Northern states and upper East coast.
Great overview
Thank you
I just wanted to post what my experience has been with my 2021 ID.4 Pro S RWD. I have owned it since July 2021, and currently at 31,000 miles.
I have had no maintenance issues, and replaced my rear tires at 25,000 miles and currently have 31,000 on my front tires and I think I can get 35,000 to 40,000 miles on them, time will tell. Have I had the occasional glitch with a screen, a sensor or a screen blank for a minute? Of course, but they all went away after turning the car off and back on just like a computer reboot. I have had no hard fails.
There’s been a lot of chatter lately about the EA chargers and I wanted to give you my take on it.
I travel to work one day a week and its about 170 miles round trip, and I always hit the EA charger on the way back home. So I have probably used the EA charging system at least 75 - 100 times since buying my car. I have also taken what I call 5 long trips from just south of Atlanta to Melbourne, FL, Orlando, FL, Pensacola Beach, Fl.
I have a Wallbox charger on a 50amp breaker which has so far worked flawlessly as a level 2 charger.
My experience with EA chargers has been really excellent. Have I had a charger not work or charge slow? Of course, but I immediately called EA to either report it or get it rebooted, which 9 times out of 10 fixes the issue. Only one time did I have a charger that could not be revived and it was in Orlando, Florida at a mall where the chargers get heavy use.
I charge now standard to 90%, and I have seen no degradation and with a 100,000 mile, 8yr warranty I am not worried. Today I was at 245 mile range on the Guess-O-Meter at 90%. At 100% I have gotten as high as 275 miles.
I have never opened the EA App to charge, I simply plug the charger into my car, once it establishes communication, I double click my iPhone for Apple Pay point it at the flat back box on the charger and when I hear a ping I know its going to charge. Again I have no idea how an Android phone works with EA chargers.
I drive most of the time in Comfort Mode, unless on a long trip then I stay in ECO mode. I go in Sport Mode just for fun but I have never worried that I didn’t have enough power to keep up with the rest of the pack on the highway. I have found that playing with the modes you lose about 2 miles of range for each increase in mode from Eco to Comfort to Sport.
When I use a charger the last thing I really care about is the Kw speed. I know thats what a lot of you complain about but what matters to me is “Time” and especially my personal time. So if I am at 20%, I expect to be at 80% in about 30 minutes (in a perfect world you should be charging at about 7 miles a minute) and 100% in about 50 minutes. I can live with that and again if it says its going to be way longer then I either change to a different charger or if no others are available I am calling EA to have that charger looked at and rebooted. 9 times out of 10 that fixes the issue.
If you want to bash EA that’s fine, but at least post what your initial charge was, were you at 20% or less or were you at 40 to 50%? That makes a huge difference on where you are on the charging curve and how many Kw’s you going to get or how long it will take.
For those of you who think EA is monitoring the charging speed of thousands of chargers across the USA you will be sadly mistaken, they are not. That is why I stress to people to call in malfunctioning chargers or they will not get an engineering ticket against them and they won’t get fixed which screws it for the next person who wants to use that charger.
So that’s been my experience with my ID.4.
Thank you! I wasn't bashing EA, I was stating the charging speeds due to cold weather because the battery in the ID.4 is cold due to the temperatures and there isn't battery preconditioning to get the max speeds.
I see that you live in a warmer climate, so this doesn't affect you as much. 90% of the time, I have not had issues with EA.
@@offtheshelfrides Tesla automatically preconditions the battery if you have a Supercharger as a destination, or a waypoint. I don't know if VW takes customer suggestions like Tesla does, but I would lobby for a preconditioning button if they did. I have only had my car a week and was expecting to see something closer to the 170kW max than the 60-70kW I have been getting. Both days I tried the CCS charge it was 45-48 degrees and I had driven about 12 miles to one station and about 2 miles to the other, so I guess that is the answer. Hopefully it will be better for the summer road trips.
@Ken Mcclow It takes 15-20 minutes for the car to precondition the battery for optimal charging. Of course that depends on the car but at least 15 min would be a good estimate.
Is VW not able to update this software to match the 2022 2023 models? I'm thinking about buying one of these but don't want buyers remorse if I get a 2021
They can update to I think 3.2. The best would be to get one that is already updated. The easy way to figure out if it has been updated is on the Drivers display. If it shows state-of-charge percentage (above 10%) then it has been updated. The old version only showed the percentage under 10%.
First off, best review I've found on this vehicle - thanks! Was just curious about a couple things... I've learned that the front and rear tires are different sizes. Was wondering how, or if you had the tires rotated (i.e. left to right and vice versa)? The ID.4 has the two pedal action with the ability to coast. Have you had a chance to experience the single pedal action and compared the two? BTW, I'm actually looking at the ID.4 and the Cadillac Lyriq as my two EV car choices. Not really sure all the extra bells and whistles are worth the extra $15K on the Cadillac, but it sure is nice.
Thank you and glad I could help. Yes the wheels are a staggered setup. I never rotated them, I just replaced the rears at around 25K miles. "D" mode is your ICE equivalent, when you let off the gas you will coast and have to apply the brake to slow down - note that you still get regenerative Braking when pressing the brake pedal. "B" Mode is VW's 1-pedal driving, but it does not bring you to a stop. It takes you down to 2-3 mph then you have to use the brakes to stop. The ID.4 is a great choice, especially the Pro S. I would just say don't buy a 2021. 2022 or 2023 come with the newest software and a little increase in range. In case you didn't know hear is my ID.4 playlist with about 30 videos all about the 2021 ID.4 - ruclips.net/p/PLS_G6cel1DH9mWl0ZmeWpM7BUvhN5YKws
In another video in the same period you said Goodbye ID4, so which video is correct?
They both are, this one was first, then we traded it...
Nice! Mines been fantastic too. I have the 21 1st edition and just got the 3.1 software update a couple weeks back.. luckily right before they stopped doing it at the servicing. Software is definitely smoother less glitchy. The Auto hold has been the best improvement so far that Ive noticed. I also did the tires.. at 20k miles :( The rears were at 2.5-3. Terrible. I did buy some Michelin Crossclimate2, $1100 for all 4. Very noticeable improvement in ride quality and less road noise... from an already pretty smooth/quiet ride. Also the tires have a 65000 warranty, prorated so if in another 20k miles they are worn down another full set would only be 280. Not bad. No costs other than that.. VW told me the brakes still look 90 percent too.
That's great!
By 2.5-3, you mean the wear of the tread?
Did you buy the set from VW when you came for service?
@@eBroncos Yeah.. I guess on a scale of 1-10.. they were 2.5 to 3 .. somewhere in there.
@@tri0xin On that scale 10 being the best shape?
@@eBroncos yep
I know of two people who got rid of their id4 and replaced it both with a MG 4😊
Unfortunately, we don't have MG here. We replaced ours with the Mustang Mach-E and another youtuber replaced his with a Polestar 2 and now has a Tesla Model 3, lol
Replaced ?
Not working properly ?
Thx for the video. It's awesome
Glad you liked it!
FOr your delay in acceleration, are you on ECO? I go into customs and have everything ECO except the Adaptive Accelaration
No, I always drive in comfort. It is the same on all cars with the system, some just read it better.
Mach E has the same issue with not recognizing when a car is no longer in the way. I’ve had it apply emergency braking to avoid a car that’s already out of the way.
I noticed that, but it didn't seem to delay as much. I hate when it brakes for someone in another lane...lol I think it's just aggrevating because your not expecting it.
I lost count of the number of times it’s done it in a drive-thru…
@@terryparrott9426 lol
It was getting louder because of tire wear down
At 68 degrees on the heat I can believe the range loss your seeing and 2023 id 4 with SK batteries get 170kW charging
That's right, I did hear the U.S. models were getting even faster charging.
@@offtheshelfrides the bad thing is you have to look at the sticker to make sure your getting SK batteries.
@@a106glimmerman ok, I got ya! Thanks for the info!
I've owned several VW Passats that have had similar software glitchs as described in your video where the rear camera does not function or infotainment system doesn't activate until after driving 10 min or longer. I think what is happening is that prior to shutting down the car the infotainment system received an OTA (over-the-air) software download and the next time the car is started the install process delays the infotainment system from starting until the software is fully installed. Not sure this is what is causing the problem only a theory.
These early 2021 ID.4's aren't even updatedable without going to the dealership and having new hardware swapped because they didn't put the right ones in it from the start. They were doing that but it started causing problems so they stopped until they could fix the issue. I believe they just rushed it and software people just weren't up to par with what an EV actually needed.
I believe the issue that's holding back Mass purchasing of electric vehicles is the battery charge output; if they could get it up to over 400 I think I would be right there buying one immediately!
I believe the future is smaller batteries (200 mile range) with faster charging ( 5-10 minutes for 10-100%) but smaller batteries won't happen until we get the infrastructure to chargers every 50 miles
@@offtheshelfrides Absolutely. It's pointless paying for a 400 mile battery when you never go that far anyway. Statistically it's extremely rare. The one time in your life when you do you can take 1 more charging stop instead. 200 miles of range and faster charging is exactly what should happen and that's what future battery tech points to.
Thank You for This
You're welcome
Our experience with Electrify America was a nightmare.
It's hit or miss sometimes. I could have great charging one trip and the next, half the chargers not working or thermal limited....
@@offtheshelfrides Love your honest comments. Have you ever owned, rented a Tesla and used their Supercharger network?
@Success Training Services yes. I have a couple videos and shorts of a 2012 Model S that I borrowed from a dealership on my channel. Tesla has the best, most reliable software and charging network, but other than the model s. The cars are not very appealing from a stylistic view.
@@offtheshelfrides You should have an updated video Comparing your VW ID4 to an Austin 2023 Model Y LR. Price range performance and charging network
@Success Training Services mine was a 2021 so things have changed, plus we don't have the id.4 anymore, you should check out my other videos, it's been crazy over here! Lol
Damn... Miles and F, it sucks. When use american/English use km and °C as normal people?
Thanks for you analises
Sorry, I'm American on an American youtube channel, so I will use Miles and F°. Sorry, if it bothers you, hope you will continue to watch and follow my content.
18:00 Even the car is suggesting the US should switch to metric! 😅
Lol, yea. Could you imagine that! Wake up one day and we changed to metric? We wouldn't know how far, how fast or how hot or cold...
@@offtheshelfrides time to keep up with the rest of the world 😂
Great info thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for that straight forward honest review. It helps a lot in my case. Since i dont go to church, i shouldn’t have the major issue you described 😂
Now that's not the right way to look at it...lol
@@offtheshelfrides well… I just watch your other video! I live in Quebec and VW told us we might receive our ID.4 without thermopompe due to the lack of microprocessor… I’m starting to check the Model Y even if it’s more expensive. What do you think?
@Louis Audet Teslas have come down in price recently and you can probably grab a used one for less than the ID.4. The biggest issue with not having the heat pump is that vw does warm or precondition the battery. Our now Ford Mach-E doesn't have a heat pump either but they precondition the battery if you schedule a departure time so the cabin and battery are warm when you leave and you lose less range, the also precondition when heading to a charger to get max charging similar to Tesla
Very balanced review. I have an ID.4 2021 version and I had a very similar impression, I had only one instance on a very hot day (110+) in West Texas after charging the car in an EA station the car went completely crazy, driver assistance was no working and all kind of lights came on, but we could drive the car. In the evening after the temperature fell below 100 everything starting working again. A few days later I took it to the dealer and they could not find anything wrong but they reset some of the internal controllers just in case. Would I buy it again? Not sure, now that the Tesla gets the 7.5K tax credit it is a much tougher call, particularly because of the SuperCharger network, which is incredibly much better than EA. It also does not help the VW can not get their act together in updating the SW and that the car, at least for now, does not have an effective OTA update.
We have had the driver assist items stop working randomly also. I understand the Tesla aspect, but for someone coming from a gas vehicle to electric, I feel the ID.4 will be less disturbing and feel more natural. After driving it for a year, I would get something with a little more power...which we may have already done...lol
The only issue I have with the ID 4 is the console touchscreen looks clunky!
Is really wasn't that bad, but we may have just gotten used to it.
Sound is terrible. Why not using lapel mic instead of foam room. You will find increase in thumbs up reaction.
Thanks for the advice
Wow those tires experienced a really short life 😕
We actually got more out of ours than some others. EV's burn through tires faster than anything else
@@offtheshelfrides yeah that's what I've heard. My ice car has gotten over 40k on Michelin cross climate 2s so yeah that's what took me back
Thanks!
No problem!
Thank you for the Super Thanks!
Piano black hasn’t always been in vehicles. I’ll be very happy when it is replaced. Leave it to be an option. It looks cheap to me.
Idk, I like it better than matte black
@@offtheshelfrides carbon fiber design, brushed aluminum to name a few designs. Matte black isn’t so bad. Lol
Definitely not, piano black plastic ain't posh at all, only valid solution for adding some flare in the cabin is natural glass surfaces, though that's found only on the top end of car industry products.
Well, appearance is always subject to personal preference
Human beings by nature like shiny things.
I struggle to understand why anyone would buy a ID4 over a Tesla- has to be price...right?
Yes, it was mainly price, plus we just really don't like the looks of the Model Y. At the time we bought ours, it was the middle of covid...and Model Y was pushing $60k and we got our fully loaded ID.4 for $44k, $1800 under sticker price...it was an incredible deal that included driving 350 miles away to get it.
@@offtheshelfrides fair enough. I've owned different Teslas since 2016 and while they aren't perfect I've yet to find another EV with better range, charging infrastructure and software.
@Mike Smith yes, all of those things, Tesla does great! I would definitely own an S or X if the price was right. But, with so many new and cool EV'S out there, I feel Tesla needs to step-up design wise with the 3 and Y. No Doubt Tesla is the most trusted when it comes to software and charging!
@@offtheshelfrides I agree. It's annoying how they still only make a few cars and don't really improve them much. Problem is once you own one it's hard to drive something else.
Here in Los Angeles, every second car is a Tesla (or at least looks like it). I don't find that enticing. Model 3 is reliable but the rest have plenty of problems. All the superchargers are crowded and in my case I don't have one within 10 miles, so there are 0 benefits for me to get a Tesla.
There is a national stop-sale order from VW because of a recall for the doors opening randomly while moving… not much media coverage
Yea, I haven't heard that.
@@offtheshelfrides Yes, my dealership has a 2022 in the showroom that they are not able to sell because of this issue. They are waiting on guidance from VW. Apparently this doesn't affect the 2023 models.
ID4 is too small for someone of tall stature. We’re waiting for the ID8
I am 6' and had plenty of room.
Anybody here have snow tires they like for this car?
The Nokian Hakkapoliitta tires are really good!
OEM tires are always overpriced .
Yes. I guess there are plenty of people who do think they must be the best for the car and buy them again..lol
So praying in the church helped with he issue😂
GOD is good!
Love the exterior of this car, but the interior is awful!! The screen on top brings me back years when people purchased gadgets sticking them all over the dash!! This is tacky and cheep looking… to put it simple…
90% for the exterior, if this car had the same dash integration as the 2023 Hyundai Tucson definitely get 100%
We love the interior! Everyone has different opinions of everything and Styling is one of those things that is personal preference.
@@offtheshelfrides I respect that of course 👍🏽
Thanks to our marvelous, genius and wise politicians here in Germany, I pay up to $ 65,- per charge for my ID.4 on a hypercharger. And no, I have no choice, because the card is from my company.
EV sucks! 🤢
That is not the EV's fault. I thought id.4 had free charging or discounted through we connect? I watch @batterylife out of Germany and he talks about these discount charging companys. Might check into that.
You don’t have to drive that car because it is free .It’s a bit stupid just to drive because it is free .Of course there is nothing free in USA !
If you are talking about not buying gas as free then yes, DC Fast Charging is free for 3 years. Charging at home costs about $50/month, so 6x less money spent on electric than gas.
These are not built by Volkswagen
Yes, they are. Mine was actually built at their German plant and shipped over. The U.S. models are built in VW's plant in Tennessee
VW has not been proven with electric cars. And especially the ID.4 and ID.6. The fact that others cars have had parts replaced and had software issues only shows that you and your wife got lucky. Lets talk about the ID4 after the warranty period.
Yes, we were lucky, but that it the way it seems to go with all cars now. Even the ICE cars have issues that plague them, when others with the same setup, don't have problems...so we'll see if they can all get it straightened out.
The ugliest part is that they're so stiff. Suspension is a disaster with EVs
You must have driven a Tesla
@@offtheshelfrides no offense. I drive a citroen with hydropneumatic suspension and just can't ger over with EV suspensions (although actively looking for one). I haven't tried tesla, but heard they're total disaster
@Dainius I understand. There are several, especially in Europe that have adaptive suspensions and air suspensions
Like all EVs, it's so expensive that it does not save you money at all. It's purely for entertainment, really.
It actually did save us money, but you have to be in the right position. We were truly saving. We only financed 1/4 of the price and we put 30K miles on it in a year of ownership. Only about $60 electricity increase, which we pay $0.10/kw. Free EA charging...also..we save $100's each month. Gas would have been ridiculous, considering it was over $4/gallon then
@@offtheshelfrides Using Canadian numbers with metric numbers ($CAD, km, liters), comparing an ID.4 with a CR-V.
Driving 15k per year. Using prices including taxes and freight etc. $1.50/liter.
$0.15/kWh.
CR-V considering winter = 8.5l/100km.
ID.4 28 kWh/100km.
I'm skewing a slight favor for the ID.4 here.
CR-V in 10 years = $40k + $2k/yr in fuel = $60k.
ID.4 = $52 1/2 k (including government incentive discount) + $650/yr in hydro = $59k.
So the cost of driving, not considering maintenance, is about the same over 10 years.
This comparison would change a lot when you drive, like what, 30k miles, 48k km? That's an awful lot of driving.
From my standpoint, a car for regular around town use, not for commercial use, but to do groceries, pick up the kids and take them to sports, regular summer vacation, weekend trips not too too far away, the ID.4 or any other EV, won't save one money.
I compared it to a CR-V, but there are other choices that cost less. Like the Rogue, or major breakthrough, cost wise anyway, the new Trax.
The ID.4 drives way nicer, granted.
I did similar comparisons with the Outlander PHEV vs Rogue vs RAV4 vs CR-V.
Most families won't save money picking the much more expensive PHEV.
It's disappointing, because you'd figure that all this EV and PHEV stuff should let one save money, but it falls short.
And then there is the probably of availability and dealers jacking up the price.
The ID.4 price here, that's not the price you'd pay at the dealer. Dealer with have bullshit stories how the base model isn't a thing, and they toss in extras like mandatory rim protection and other fluff to jack up the price. They do this because they can.
It's absolutely *THE* very worst time in history to buy a car it seems.
It's so depressing, I tell people to not bother for now, let all the crap settle, and hang on to what you have....
@Antiorganizer appreciate the work you did, but I found the best comparison for anyone considering getting an EV, is to compare it to what they are driving. Average Miles THEY drive etc....that is the only way for it to make sense or not for each individual. We drive the ID.4 more than we normally would because it was cheaper than driving my f-150 so we drove it everywhere. My truck only went to work and home. We got our ID.4 from a dealership as a demo, 2300 miles, we bought it for $1800 under MSRP and got the $7500 tax credit, plus we had $34k in equity with our trade in.....we easily save money but not every situation is the same. Like, you calculations were fine, but I would not buy a CH-R so that comparison doesn't work for me. But I understand your point.
@@offtheshelfrides Well, if the alternative is an F150 and you drive 30k miles a year, that I can't argue against.
Why did you not keep it for longer than a year?@@offtheshelfrides
My 1986 Porsche 928S has a 23 gallon fuel tank and gets 24 mpg a range over 500 miles on the highway and takes 5 minutes to fill up does 0-60 in 5.7 sec and a top speed around 160 mph. The rear hatch has enough room for my folding ebike . I know how to fix it so no EVs for now unless the prices come down and charging time is reduced.
Congratulations
1986 Porsche 928 very difficult car if you can own that you can own any car easily.