Yes, cam phasers and timing chain tensioners require proper oil pressure to function correctly. That's true. However, the timing chain tensioners have a ratcheting mechanism so they will never loosen, even in the complete absence of oil pressure. And the cam phasers similarly don't need oil pressure in those first three seconds after engine start-up because they aren't doing anything to change camshaft timing.
Such a cool product! I love this, we pay a lot for our vehicles and just want them to last. That noise on start up sounds terrible, this is a huge win and way cool its owned and made in the USA
I picked up one at Smokey Mountain Jeep Invasion last august. Have not had a singe ticking start since installation with the spin on adapter. Since then I have added a top mount supercharger. Unfortunately this wouldn’t work with the top mounts, so I ran into them at JeepBeach23 and found they make a remote adapter that fits under the supercharger and works just as good with the remote filter adapter. Super great product!!! Well worth the money when compared to the cost of lifter repair bill or motor replacement.
That's awesome! We're really glad to hear that. We have a supercharger planned for the future, so that's good info about the remote adapter. We've talked with the Baxter boys about how that setup might work and they've been really helpful but great to hear you've actually done it. Thanks for commenting!!
Unless I’m missing something, all engines need time for the oil to reach critical parts, that’s why I was instructed, 60 years ago, to never rev your engine when first starting. You need time to allow the oil to flow throughout the engine before taking off. Also, that’s why you always check your oil level after 5-10 minutes after shutting off the engine.
You don't rev the engine when first starting because the oil is cold, not because it takes that long to reach critical parts. The oil system is fully functional within 3-5 seconds of startup, but depending on the engine can take 3-10 minutes or more for the engine to get to operating temperature. For the longevity of the engine, keep the RPMs as low as possible until the engine is at operating temp. As for checking the oil, its good to wait for the oil to drain back into the pan before checking the level. 5-10 minutes is excessive. You can get an accurate reading after about 30 seconds. That's why its possible to accurate check your oil while you're filling the vehicle at the gas station and don't have to wait past the fill up time to get an accurate reading. Thank you for your comments!
I think it’s worth mentioning that when performing the oil change it would be of paramount importance to make sure the air supply is clean, and free of moisture/debris. Most shop air is not. A bike pump or inflater would be better than shop air.
@@HorseBudgetHero when you blow the air through it I assume water could possibly get through the filter and past the check valve. I just installed two of these in both of my JL Wranglers just recently and do my own oil changes. My air will be as clean and dry as I can possibly attain but I wonder about shops and their air supplies.
@@JohnSmith-sh1zg even if shop air has some moisture in it , itll evaporate after a 20 min drive as thats part of the pcv systems job. Every engine produces condensation after a heat / cool cycle. Is the stock air filter impervious to moiture in the air as pcv draws fresh air into the crankcase. No it is not
I replaced all my rocker arms on my Ram C/V 3.6 work van just five years ago replaced all push rods and inspected the cams closely , and three months ago they began ticking again , I installed the Baxter adapter and the ticking stops in seconds after start up because the top end is now lubricated immediately after start up. I scheduled my mechanic to replace the rocker arms again next week , my mechanic drives a jeep 3.6 and it solved his rocker arm problem also. I have always been meticulous about my oil level and oil changes .
I installed mine two weeks ago and for back ground my 2014 jeep JK bought used with 140 thousand miles on it just had two of the four camshaft replaced and all new lifters, rockers , timing chains and guides added the Baxter device with the recommended oil filter ( Huge disappointment ) the engine taps maybe a second less on first start up but once you drive it for a while after and start it again it’s dead quit but after it sits at work for eight hours it taps again but running around all day it is nice not hearing the valve train I’m not ripping it but don’t get your hopes up that it’s a cure all
What you will have to do is use the "clear flood mode" for the initial cold start of the day. Depress the throttle all the way, crank the engine for about 5 seconds and then let off the throttle. In that 5 seconds prior to it firing you will have primed the oil system fully.
Do you tell us what torque settings should be applied to the "lock" screw? You wouldn't want to deform or break the threads on the plastic housing. Does this adapter void any warranties?
It’s about a 1/4 ugga dugga, it’s into plastic so you don’t want to put too much pressure on it. We didn’t get a spec in the install instructions but feel free to call the Baxter boys directly, they’re super nice guys and their phone number is on their website. Thanks for the question!
Do you have oil flow comparison between OEM and Baxter spin on filters? Are the 2 similar? Our cam timing and chain tensioner is dependent on the right kinetic oil pressure in the engine. Hopefully this was taken into account. Can you verify? Thanks, btw I'm driving a 2019 Jeep Wrangler 3.6.
All the recommended filters that Baxter lists on their site have been tested to meet or exceed Jeeps flow requirements. Be sure to use only one of the recommended filters and you’ll be all good. Thanks for the question!
I think if you have enough information to quote " kinetic oil pressure" you are more than capable of determining filter flow, kinetic or otherwise lol😂😂
The only time the factory oil filter “drains down” is when the cap seal is broken. Want proof? Pull your drain plug at the next oil change. Wait for it to stop draining. Slowly loosen your filter housing as per instructions. Have someone watch your drain. Guess what you’ll see.
Then how come installing this makes a noticeable improvement in the valve train clatter on startup? We're not saying this is some mandatory improvement, but we've installed 4 of these on 4 different vehicles in our fleet, and we've noticed a decrease in valve clatter on all of them. To each his own. If you don't think its worth it, save your money. But for us any extra longevity for the 3.6 is worth it. Cause when it blows, we're LS swapping this sucker. Thanks for the comment!
That's awesome! We got lots. Soooooo much clatter. In fact the clatter was the main reason we went looking for this upgrade and based on the rest of the comments, it seems to affect most of the 3.6s and 3.2s.
How much faster does it build up pressure and full flow in valve train? You mention 3.5 seconds stock. What is the time with the Baxter Performance product?
@@Clark0321 false, it retains some of the volume of oil above the filter but the supply below the filter still drains back, just hold the gas pedal to the floor and crank for 5-7 seconds to build oil pressure. The ford 3v 5.4 was the same way.
It will! In fact the Jeep in this video has that Dorman upgrade. You just need to be sure to purchase the 2014+ Baxter unit, not the 2013 - unit. Dorman upgrades the cartridge regardless of what year Jeep you have. If you have any questions, just call the Baxter Boys, their phone number is on their website www.baxterperformance.com and they'll make sure you get the right part ordered.
The lifters fail due to lack of oil changes and using inferior oil/filters from quick lube places and running long @ss oem suggested oil change intervals resulting in sludge buildup that finds its way into lifters causing them to bleed down after oil pressure is released. The higher pressure internal bypass of the can style filter traps more trash for longer before the filter is restricted causing full bypass that stops the oil from being filtered. Is it a good idea to use air pressure to force the trash thats trapped in the oil filter back into the oil pan at oil changes? I'd say no!
"Pushing the trash into the oil pan... " you mean to the oil pump where its picked up and run back through the filter? How do you think the trash is getting into the engine if it gets pushed back into the pan? You think it migrates over to the crank cause it happens to be in the neighborhood? That's not how it works. The air pressure is very light, you need like 7 pounds to clear out the oil, most of the "trash" is going to stay in the filter media anyway. But any that does is just going to sit harmlessly in the pan until it gets sucked back up by the oil pump and sent back into the filter. There is no issue here. And yes, we agree with you 100% that lack of oil changes and using cheap oil causes the lifters to fail. As we've said over, and over and over, and as we'll say again, we don't think this solution is a magic wand for your lifters; we think it is a good, smart step that will probably increase the life of the engine, along with regular oil changes and along with using good oil.
in the original housing there is anti drain as long as the filter sits tight enough. there is no starvation of oil. VW makes it for more than 15 years. I serviced cars with this design.
That may be true for VW, but for this Mopar engine, there is a noticeable change after install. We went through quite a bit of the technical aspects of this when we visited the factory, and there is no drain back device on these engines. But thank you for commenting!
Yes, but just like we did in this video, you need to go with the 2014 and later Baxter kit, because the Dorman oil cooler converts the oil filter housing to the newer style and the 2013 and older kit from Baxter won't work after that conversion. Thanks for the question!
You are correct! And if we didn’t mention that we apologize. Our 2013 3.6 in the other video has the Dorman cooler so it will fit, but it will not fit on stock as you mentioned. However we are currently working with Baxter in a new version that does for the older engines and that should be available soon. Stay tuned!
It will! In fact the Jeep in this video has that Dorman upgrade. You just need to be sure to purchase the 2014+ Baxter unit, not the 2013 - unit. Dorman upgrades the cartridge regardless of what year Jeep you have. If you have any questions, just call the Baxter Boys, their phone number is on their website www.baxterperformance.com and they'll make sure you get the right part ordered.
Is there a way to completely flush out the air trapped at the top end of inverted filter housing? The trapped air tends to lessen the useable surface area of filter element unless there is a way out for the air as it is being primed initially during start up. Just asking.
once installed and primed is it required to prime the system on cold start ups? or once installed & priming is done at each oil change no priming is required after that?
The check valve in the filter works the same in a typical oil filter, so no priming is needed. Once there is oil pumped through the system, the filter will retain its load of oil for the next start up. Thanks for the question!
We put one of these on our 3.6 Wrangler in another video you can check out. That Wrangler has the Dorman aluminum housing on it and the adapter went on just fine. Thanks for the question!
I posted a review on the Baxter website but since it's a 3 🌟 they didn't post it. I bought the remote relocation kit, here you go, the long filter they say will fit (I used Fram 3600) is too long, my front diff crushed the filter and punched a hole so all the oil was pumping out, lucky it smoked and smelled so I pulled over. It is too close to the front diff. Use a short filter or risk destroying your engine or I'm going to try rotate the filter 90° haven't done that yet. Not sure it will fit but their recommendations for filters are dangerous
Did you call Baxter? They're really nice guys and they make a great product. If you're having issues, they'll be happy to help you sort them out. But if you just give it a bad review and make comments on a channel that isn't affiliated with Baxter, they don't have any way of knowing you're having an issue. Call them up. They'll help you out.
@@MotorsandMischief I did not leave a bad review, (3 Stars) I bought directly from Baxter and I just stated facts. My experience with the filter size they recommend was smashed by front diff and caused a leak on the drive home. The longer filter with the relocation kit, are too long and hit the diff. If I was not paying attention, I would be buying a new engine. I simply think, they should update their mounting location or only suggest the shorter filter, mounting of filter adapter to relocation bracket. Since I installed the shorter filter and cleaned up 4 qtrs. of oil from underside of my Rubicon, It's working as advertise. I live overseas so calling is an issue of time zones.
Mr Baxter left out the most important information for the winter areas where at - 20 degrees farinheght you are dry starting your engine and also waiting for your oil to warm to lubricant the internal engine parts. Batters device is an absolute must in cold climates.
When you become a Chrysler top tier master tech!!!! Regardless of temp!!! After sitting all cars have a time of “dry starting and that’s why these new oils bond and adhere to your engine components
There's a sticker that goes on the intake with a QR code that links to videos and instructions, so if the dealer reads it, then yes. And no, it doesn't void the warranty; manufacturers cannot void warranties because of aftermarket parts unless they can prove the aftermarket part caused the failure. However, as we always say, if you're not comfortable with that, just hold off installing this until the vehicle is out of warranty. Thanks for the question!
I bought one and have not yet installed. I assume, once installed, it's ME who will have to do future oil changes. I do have a timing question however,,,,,,,how long does it take for the anti-backup valve to open and oilflood the uppers as opposed to the time it takes WITHOUT the Baxter??
So without the Baxter, you're looking at the time it takes to run from the oil pan where the oil pump pick is, all the way up to the cams. With the check valve on the Baxter unit, it only needs to go from the oil filter over to the cams. Baxter has some great technical videos on their website, check them out at www.baxterperformanceusa.com
I do all my oil changes myself and thought about the same question myself. Out of courtesy for the next owner, I'm getting a metal tag made up with brief instructions Would only cost about $10-15 and it wouldn't be for me, but future owners should appreciate it.
The manufacturer is Baxter Performance and we linked their website in the description, but here it is for easy reference for you: www.baxterperformanceusa.com When you buy the kit it comes with instructions on which spin on filters you can use. And of course you can call or email Baxter Performance if you have any questions about the filter. Thanks for commenting!
Does this replace the filter or do you put filter in it and tgen put this on. The me hanics will say that this can crack the plastic as they keep telling me my husband does my oil change but I believe it's a defective design. So I had mine changed to the aluminum one... Will this work on the aluminum one
Its a different part number for the plastic one, we have that one on our older JK. This one uses the aluminum one. So if you have the aluminum upgrade, it doesn't matter what year your JK is, you use the newer style Baxter unit. If you have the plastic type in a 2014 and older, you use the other part number. If you have any specific questions, just call the Baxter Boys and they'll walk you through exactly what you need.
Best thing to do is just reach out to the Baxter Boys directly, they’ll be happy to help you out. Their website is linked in our video description. Thanks for the question!
We have like 4 of these videos on different vehicles we have; we're big fans of the product. On one of them, one of the wranglers, we did exactly this and it works great. The only thing you need to do is make sure you match the adapter to the housing. For us, we have a 2013 Wrangler that got the 2015+ upgraded oil housing, so we had to go with the 2015+ Baxter adapter. On our other 2013 Wrangler, without the updated cooler, we installed the 2013/2014 Baxter adapter. Thanks for the question!
@MotorsandMischief I have heard as far as the aluminum oil cooler housing of people saying they are having problems with the seals drying out to quickly from excessive heat over plastic. May I ask if you have had any of these problems? Thank you so much for responding!
We asked Dr. Torque about it and this is what he said: I don't have any oil leaks on the new aluminum housing. It has been less than a year, though. I also used the actual Dorman unit instead of one of the cheap Chinese knockoffs, so hopefully that will help. The stock plastic unit on my wife's Jeep has started to leak. It is six years old. I do see people saying to use Mopar seals, since many of the cheaper ones may fail more quickly.
Our response is... probably. We are working with the Baxter boys on their 2013 3.6 because its different than their current offering, so there might be something different on the Promasters. But just call Baxter and ask. Tell them Motors & Mischief sent you - they'll take good care of you and let you know if you're good to go on a Promaster. Thanks for the question!
Not in the US, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for manufacturers to void your warranty due to aftermarket equipment, unless they can prove the aftermarket equipment caused the failure. That said, as we've said over and over, if you're not comfortable don't install this until you're out of warranty. We're convinced it helps, and we're glad we have it, but its not a make or break addition that you have to add immediately. Its a great idea that will help oil get to your lifters a little faster and over the life of the motor, that will probably add up and extend the life of the engine for you. But its not worth risking the warranty if you aren't comfortable. Just pick one up and once the engine's out of warranty, then go ahead and install it.
I'm just curious. You say the Subaru will drain back in to the engine because the filter is inverted yet your filter is also inverted in this application. Why would theirs drain back and yours won't? They both have the built in check valve. Not trying to cause trouble just seeking more information.. Makes me wonder if the air compressor thing is a ruse to make to think you are draining the oil back down when in fact it has already drained down below. Thanks.
The Subaru part is throwing us just a bit but we’ll try to answer this regardless. The issue is the stock Jeep canister filter has no check valve. The spin on type filters do have a check valve. Thanks for the question!
It's the same base engine but the intake is different, and we think the heads might be too. Check with Baxter Performance if you have any questions, they're super nice guys. Thanks for the comment!
So I know they say 30psi is all that you need.....but what if you use more? I mean, say you are at a shop and use their air system and you don't know the psi. Is too much PSI a thing with this?
I spoke to Mr. Baxter on the phone about the air pressure question. He told me the device is capable of handling up to 1000psi. but a bicycle pump will work just fine. Just be sure to remove the oil filler cap before shooting the air through.
@@70blue63 synthetic or not, the original lucas oil additive is a viscosity of 45 even at operating temp. according to msds sheet. it will make your oil heavier. you ever try to pour that stuff out of the bottle? shits like molasses
It didn't on our 2013 but we haven't dug out the list of alternate filters that Baxter sent with the kit to see if one of the others will fit. Our advice is to call the Baxter boys, their phone number is on their website www.baxterperformance.com and they'll help you out.
Worth the price if you are driving it hard and absolutely need to get the maximum efficiency from immediate oil lubrication. But $400 is questionable for a normal use vehicle that isn't abused.
We'll say we halfway agree with you. If you are planning to use your Jeep for 60k miles and then trade it in on a new one, this is most likely overkill. However, if you're hoping to get maximum life expectancy out of the engine, then any amount of wear saved at startup theoretically extends the overall life of the engine. Thanks for the comment!
Well there’s a noticeable, obvious difference in sound when you install the kit. The engine is much quieter on start up, so this isn’t so much a solution without a problem as it is a preventative solution that certain people may or may not find worth the money. But Google loves comments so thanks for commenting!
Call Baxter Performance, their contact info is in the description. They’re super nice guys and they’ll tell you if you can or not or if you can with mods or what have you. Thanks for the question!
Excellent question, and we probably should have mentioned that in the video. The short answer is no. Some dealerships will try to tell you that if you modify your vehicle then that makes it ineligible for warranty and this is absolutely not true. Thanks to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, a dealer must prove that the aftermarket equipment caused the need for warranty repairs before it can deny coverage. Some dealers will charge you a diagnostic fee if they think the warranty claim will be kicked, but after diagnostics if it's determined the aftermarket part did not cause the problem, they will refund you the diagnostic fee. Baxter Performance has a great write-up here: www.baxterperformanceusa.com/does-installing-baxter-performance-adapters-affect-my-warranty/ . Thanks so much for the question!
Our understanding from the Baxter boys is yes, it's been done. Give them a call, they're super nice and their phone number is on their website: www.baxterperformance.com
We've addressed both these comments before but happy to do so again. With all the cheap products out there that don't last and just focus on being as cheap as possible to get the sale, we're pleased to have found a product that's made in the USA and designed to last. We honestly wouldn't want to put anything on such a critical part of our engine that used any cheap parts or labor to lower the cost. This is one of those areas where you get what you pay for. As to the warranty, the Magnuson-Moss act prohibits manufacturers from voiding warranty claims unless they can prove the system caused the problem. However, as we say to anyone who is worried about the warranty aspect: wait until after the warranty period if you're concerned about warranty issues. Thanks for the comment!
Sigh. Your exclamation points not withstanding, it will not void the warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Act prohibits manufacturers from voiding warranties because of aftermarket parts installation. Its been around for almost 50 years. The aftermarket part has to be the *cause* of the failure for a manufacturer to void the warranty. They can't void it simply because you installed aftermarket parts. This is 'Merica!, we don't work like that. That said, we'll say what we say to every single person who has hesitation about installing this on their rig and having an issue with a future warranty claim: don't install it now. There's no hurry. Once your Jeep is out of warranty, then you can buy this and install it. 60k miles or whatever your Jeep's factory warranty is isn't going to cause terminal wear without this upgrade. The upgrade only helps extend the longevity of the motor anyway. So if it worries you, just don't do it. Bam, no worries.
....... You're awfully passionate for someone who hasn't got their facts straight. If you actually read the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, it makes no differentiation between parts or a modification. It stipulates that warranties cannot be voided merely due to the use of aftermarket parts or services. All aftermarket parts can be considered modifications. Manufacturers have to prove the non-original part or service was the cause of the defect to deny warranty claims. But look friend, no one is forcing you to buy this. We aren't even the sellers on this item. We simply liked it, installed it on our own vehicle and made a video about. Don't think its worth $400? Great, don't install it. Think it will void your warranty? No worries, don't install it. But please stop spreading false information for people who do find the modification to be valuable and worth the money.
Do alot of research befor you spend 400 on this. Alot of people on the jeep forums are saying this does not work as good as they claim. And not to wast your money. I was going to get this but i will not now. It also makes your oil dipstick useless. You have to guess at your oil level
Do you... do you think that because a small amount of oil is held in the filter that somehow changes the level in the engine....? Wow. Ok, so yes a few ounces of oil is held in the oil filter, but that is not a significant amount of oil even if you poured it directly into the pan. And you're not pouring it into the pan, you're holding it in the filter for startup and during engine run the oil is being circulated too fast for it to make any difference. It 100%, absolutely, positively, in no meaningful manner "makes your oil dipstick useless." As to the effectiveness of the product, is it as good as we'd hoped? No. Does it ensure some oil gets to the engine sooner than if it was there. Absolutely. Is that worth $400? Depends on the person. For us, yes. If it extends the longevity of the engine even a little, its worth it. For others, maybe not. For sure make up your own mind. But at the end of the day its putting oil on the cams sooner. So if that's worth $400, go for it. If not, there are literally a million other cool products you can spend $400 for your Jeep.
Preach Big Dog! We agree with this. Whether its for the dealers to make the money or its not worth the money to Jeep to fix it, we're not positive but you're a hundred percent right its a money decision. Thanks for the comment!
We hear you, $400 is a lot of money. We wish it was $200. Heck, as long as we're wishing, we wish Jeep had engineered this thing properly in the first place so the add on wasn't necessary. And also that it was a V8. Part of it is the economy and supply chain issues, part of it is a lot of R&D went into these things and they're pretty darn well made; all that costs something. But we do wish Baxter could afford to sell them cheaper, 100% agree with you.
There is no proof. There are plenty of 3.6 Pentastar engines with 200,000 + miles using the original oil filter housing/cooler and filter cartridge. The stock set-up is more than adequate.
The filters you're referring to are not really at the bottom of the engine, they're at the side, above the oil pump, and those filters have check valves. So the engine is only pumping oil from the filter which is maybe 2/3s or half of the distance to the bottom of the pan and the oil pick up. For this 3.6, there is a noticeable difference in valve clatter at startup on this engine between when its been sitting and when it was only recently turned off. When you add this adapter, you'll notice less valve clatter, so the system is making a difference that you can hear at every startup. Is this absolutely necessary and the engine will blow up without it? Of course not. But for folks who want to get the most longevity out of their motors, the less time the engine spends running without oil on startup, the better. But its not a scam and everything we reported on is backed up by rigorous testing. Check out www.baxterperformanceusa.com/videos there are videos showing the drain back on the factory system. Thanks for your comment.
400 no way you are full of crap you are not getting oil to the top of the motor faster that’s funny no way would I kill the warranty. You could not pay me to put that on any rig.
Hi 00750r, it definitely feels like a radical upgrade for some folks, and we totally understand those that want to keep it stock. For us, we love experimenting and its really just returning back to older designs, and some current ones, that hold the oil in the filter until you start the vehicle. We appreciate you taking the time to comment!
We love Toyota and they make awesome vehicles, but they're not immune to OEM mistakes. The current problems with the 2022-2023 turbo V6 in the Tundra are so bad, dealers won't take them in on trade and Toyota has admitted its debris left in the engine from the manufacturing process.
Again new oils have bonding agents that stick to all the internals so there’s no real “DRY STARTS!!!! Cool snake oil packaging though as a tier 1 master tech for Chrysler and an independent owner of 4 successful shops that make more money in a month than any deal ship with n a year!!!! So thanks for the joke and the coolest snakes oil commercial and a tip for you you can tell you’re a non mechanic you are saying things that make no sense! Send me one and I’ll prove this is a joke and why.
Thanks for your passion, truly. First, I’m a master tech too, got all the ASE certs, just so we’re on the same page. Second, we don’t make this product, so we can’t really send you one, you’d have to talk to the manufacturers, they’re nice guys. Third, this does work and it’s not snake oil because when you fire the Jeep up before installation, you can hear valve train noise. When you fire it up after installation, you don’t. It’s that simple. The question of if that extra lubrication is worth $400 is extremely valid, and for some people it’s probably not. But it absolutely works as designed, just like a conventional spin on oil filter with a standard anti drainback device. If this wasn’t useful based on oil bonding agents, manufacturers wouldn’t bother installing anti drainback valves into filters any longer, they’d save the money. But they do, because they work. Again, you can actually hear the difference after you install it. So if you don’t think it’s worth the money or you’d rather put the $400 into a different upgrade, that’s totally fine and we don’t even necessarily disagree with you. But please don’t call it snake oil because it does exactly what it promises.
Yes, cam phasers and timing chain tensioners require proper oil pressure to function correctly. That's true. However, the timing chain tensioners have a ratcheting mechanism so they will never loosen, even in the complete absence of oil pressure. And the cam phasers similarly don't need oil pressure in those first three seconds after engine start-up because they aren't doing anything to change camshaft timing.
I just received mine the other day. Shipped out fast. I have only had my Jeep a week. I cannot wait to install this~!
Such a cool product! I love this, we pay a lot for our vehicles and just want them to last. That noise on start up sounds terrible, this is a huge win and way cool its owned and made in the USA
I picked up one at Smokey Mountain Jeep Invasion last august. Have not had a singe ticking start since installation with the spin on adapter. Since then I have added a top mount supercharger. Unfortunately this wouldn’t work with the top mounts, so I ran into them at JeepBeach23 and found they make a remote adapter that fits under the supercharger and works just as good with the remote filter adapter. Super great product!!! Well worth the money when compared to the cost of lifter repair bill or motor replacement.
That's awesome! We're really glad to hear that. We have a supercharger planned for the future, so that's good info about the remote adapter. We've talked with the Baxter boys about how that setup might work and they've been really helpful but great to hear you've actually done it. Thanks for commenting!!
Unless I’m missing something, all engines need time for the oil to reach critical parts, that’s why I was instructed, 60 years ago, to never rev your engine when first starting. You need time to allow the oil to flow throughout the engine before taking off. Also, that’s why you always check your oil level after 5-10 minutes after shutting off the engine.
You don't rev the engine when first starting because the oil is cold, not because it takes that long to reach critical parts. The oil system is fully functional within 3-5 seconds of startup, but depending on the engine can take 3-10 minutes or more for the engine to get to operating temperature. For the longevity of the engine, keep the RPMs as low as possible until the engine is at operating temp. As for checking the oil, its good to wait for the oil to drain back into the pan before checking the level. 5-10 minutes is excessive. You can get an accurate reading after about 30 seconds. That's why its possible to accurate check your oil while you're filling the vehicle at the gas station and don't have to wait past the fill up time to get an accurate reading. Thank you for your comments!
I think it’s worth mentioning that when performing the oil change it would be of paramount importance to make sure the air supply is clean, and free of moisture/debris. Most shop air is not. A bike pump or inflater would be better than shop air.
On a humid day a bike pump will add same moisture as unfiltered shop air......
I put a no moisture sticker on my device so it kinda works like a gun free zone sign does. I’m totally good now. 👍
Pretty sure any contamination would be caught by the filter itself?
@@HorseBudgetHero when you blow the air through it I assume water could possibly get through the filter and past the check valve. I just installed two of these in both of my JL Wranglers just recently and do my own oil changes. My air will be as clean and dry as I can possibly attain but I wonder about shops and their air supplies.
@@JohnSmith-sh1zg even if shop air has some moisture in it , itll evaporate after a 20 min drive as thats part of the pcv systems job. Every engine produces condensation after a heat / cool cycle. Is the stock air filter impervious to moiture in the air as pcv draws fresh air into the crankcase. No it is not
This Guy should go to jeep and tell them how to make a better jeep this Guy is amazing .😂
And follow that with self flagellation
Excellent mod! Love it!
What external oil filter housing do you recommend to hook up to the AN fittings on 2014 Jeep Wrangler?
This is a great question for the Baxter Boys. Give them a call, their number is on their website: baxterperformance.com
I replaced all my rocker arms on my Ram C/V 3.6 work van just five years ago replaced all push rods and inspected the cams closely , and three months ago they began ticking again , I installed the Baxter adapter and the ticking stops in seconds after start up because the top end is now lubricated immediately after start up. I scheduled my mechanic to replace the rocker arms again next week , my mechanic drives a jeep 3.6 and it solved his rocker arm problem also. I have always been meticulous about my oil level and oil changes .
I installed mine two weeks ago and for back ground my 2014 jeep JK bought used with 140 thousand miles on it just had two of the four camshaft replaced and all new lifters, rockers , timing chains and guides added the Baxter device with the recommended oil filter ( Huge disappointment ) the engine taps maybe a second less on first start up but once you drive it for a while after and start it again it’s dead quit but after it sits at work for eight hours it taps again but running around all day it is nice not hearing the valve train I’m not ripping it but don’t get your hopes up that it’s a cure all
What you will have to do is use the "clear flood mode" for the initial cold start of the day. Depress the throttle all the way, crank the engine for about 5 seconds and then let off the throttle. In that 5 seconds prior to it firing you will have primed the oil system fully.
In doing the'clear flood mode' is fuel being delivered into the cylinders. If so then there will oil dilution from the unburnt fuel.
Do you tell us what torque settings should be applied to the "lock" screw? You wouldn't want to deform or break the threads on the plastic housing. Does this adapter void any warranties?
It’s about a 1/4 ugga dugga, it’s into plastic so you don’t want to put too much pressure on it. We didn’t get a spec in the install instructions but feel free to call the Baxter boys directly, they’re super nice guys and their phone number is on their website. Thanks for the question!
Do you have oil flow comparison between OEM and Baxter spin on filters? Are the 2 similar? Our cam timing and chain tensioner is dependent on the right kinetic oil pressure in the engine. Hopefully this was taken into account. Can you verify? Thanks, btw I'm driving a 2019 Jeep Wrangler 3.6.
All the recommended filters that Baxter lists on their site have been tested to meet or exceed Jeeps flow requirements. Be sure to use only one of the recommended filters and you’ll be all good. Thanks for the question!
I think if you have enough information to quote " kinetic oil pressure" you are more than capable of determining filter flow, kinetic or otherwise lol😂😂
Wow very smart men. I hope they do well
These guys are the "top dogs."
The only time the factory oil filter “drains down” is when the cap seal is broken. Want proof? Pull your drain plug at the next oil change. Wait for it to stop draining. Slowly loosen your filter housing as per instructions. Have someone watch your drain. Guess what you’ll see.
Exactly!
Then how come installing this makes a noticeable improvement in the valve train clatter on startup? We're not saying this is some mandatory improvement, but we've installed 4 of these on 4 different vehicles in our fleet, and we've noticed a decrease in valve clatter on all of them. To each his own. If you don't think its worth it, save your money. But for us any extra longevity for the 3.6 is worth it. Cause when it blows, we're LS swapping this sucker. Thanks for the comment!
@@MotorsandMischief I don’t get any clatter on start up on either of my Rubicons. Literally nothing…it just fires off and runs like a top.
That's awesome! We got lots. Soooooo much clatter. In fact the clatter was the main reason we went looking for this upgrade and based on the rest of the comments, it seems to affect most of the 3.6s and 3.2s.
Me either. My 14 3.6 runs quiet, Change oil every 5k.@@DUNEATV
How much faster does it build up pressure and full flow in valve train? You mention 3.5 seconds stock. What is the time with the Baxter Performance product?
The oil filter retains oil in the filter offering instant oil on start up.
@@Clark0321 false, it retains some of the volume of oil above the filter but the supply below the filter still drains back, just hold the gas pedal to the floor and crank for 5-7 seconds to build oil pressure.
The ford 3v 5.4 was the same way.
Put one on an etourque 3.6 jl this week. Startup is ultra quiet now.
Thank you for your help
It's fit on grand Cherokee 2014?
Best regards
Yes absolutely. Check baxterperformance.com and they'll guide you to the right unit.
Will these adapters work on the aluminum dorman replacements?
It will! In fact the Jeep in this video has that Dorman upgrade. You just need to be sure to purchase the 2014+ Baxter unit, not the 2013 - unit. Dorman upgrades the cartridge regardless of what year Jeep you have. If you have any questions, just call the Baxter Boys, their phone number is on their website www.baxterperformance.com and they'll make sure you get the right part ordered.
Nice question. I have the aluminum cooler housing too....
Yup going to put this on a 2013 Dodge Grand Caravan!
Thats awesome, its such a great product. Tell us how the install went, and tell Baxter we sent you!
The lifters fail due to lack of oil changes and using inferior oil/filters from quick lube places and running long @ss oem suggested oil change intervals resulting in sludge buildup that finds its way into lifters causing them to bleed down after oil pressure is released. The higher pressure internal bypass of the can style filter traps more trash for longer before the filter is restricted causing full bypass that stops the oil from being filtered. Is it a good idea to use air pressure to force the trash thats trapped in the oil filter back into the oil pan at oil changes? I'd say no!
"Pushing the trash into the oil pan... " you mean to the oil pump where its picked up and run back through the filter? How do you think the trash is getting into the engine if it gets pushed back into the pan? You think it migrates over to the crank cause it happens to be in the neighborhood? That's not how it works. The air pressure is very light, you need like 7 pounds to clear out the oil, most of the "trash" is going to stay in the filter media anyway. But any that does is just going to sit harmlessly in the pan until it gets sucked back up by the oil pump and sent back into the filter. There is no issue here. And yes, we agree with you 100% that lack of oil changes and using cheap oil causes the lifters to fail. As we've said over, and over and over, and as we'll say again, we don't think this solution is a magic wand for your lifters; we think it is a good, smart step that will probably increase the life of the engine, along with regular oil changes and along with using good oil.
The only time this gets harder is in newer Durango's you have to run the remote filter and requires lots of fab work. But i still did it
What is the BEST Canister filter to use for the Baxter on a 2013 JKU ?
in the original housing there is anti drain as long as the filter sits tight enough. there is no starvation of oil. VW makes it for more than 15 years. I serviced cars with this design.
That may be true for VW, but for this Mopar engine, there is a noticeable change after install. We went through quite a bit of the technical aspects of this when we visited the factory, and there is no drain back device on these engines. But thank you for commenting!
@@MotorsandMischief Can you shafe tje schematics of the lube syatem of this engime as it is from the OEM. It's Intresting to see this original sin...
Ok, so for a 2012 Jeep JKU will the Baxter upgrade worth with a Dorman oil cooler?
Yes, but just like we did in this video, you need to go with the 2014 and later Baxter kit, because the Dorman oil cooler converts the oil filter housing to the newer style and the 2013 and older kit from Baxter won't work after that conversion. Thanks for the question!
I believe this can only be used on 2013 and up 3.6 / 3.2 engines. The 2012 and older have different filter setup.
You are correct! And if we didn’t mention that we apologize. Our 2013 3.6 in the other video has the Dorman cooler so it will fit, but it will not fit on stock as you mentioned. However we are currently working with Baxter in a new version that does for the older engines and that should be available soon. Stay tuned!
Let us know. Def a would like this on my 2012 Chrysler 300 3.6L
Will this work with the metal Dorman part that replaces the plastic oil cartridge holder and will it fit the cooler????
It will! In fact the Jeep in this video has that Dorman upgrade. You just need to be sure to purchase the 2014+ Baxter unit, not the 2013 - unit. Dorman upgrades the cartridge regardless of what year Jeep you have. If you have any questions, just call the Baxter Boys, their phone number is on their website www.baxterperformance.com and they'll make sure you get the right part ordered.
Is there a way to completely flush out the air trapped at the top end of inverted filter housing? The trapped air tends to lessen the useable surface area of filter element unless there is a way out for the air as it is being primed initially during start up. Just asking.
once installed and primed is it required to prime the system on cold start ups? or once installed & priming is done at each oil change no priming is required after that?
The check valve in the filter works the same in a typical oil filter, so no priming is needed. Once there is oil pumped through the system, the filter will retain its load of oil for the next start up. Thanks for the question!
@@MotorsandMischief I actually just received my unit in today.
Nice!
@@MotorsandMischiefmine still ticks at starting if it sits a while after installing this.
Is this going to work with a dorman aluminum housing
We put one of these on our 3.6 Wrangler in another video you can check out. That Wrangler has the Dorman aluminum housing on it and the adapter went on just fine. Thanks for the question!
I had the same question. Which video is it?
@@2403rygar you probably have to go threw there library of videos
Found it! Thank you
I posted a review on the Baxter website but since it's a 3 🌟 they didn't post it. I bought the remote relocation kit, here you go, the long filter they say will fit (I used Fram 3600) is too long, my front diff crushed the filter and punched a hole so all the oil was pumping out, lucky it smoked and smelled so I pulled over. It is too close to the front diff. Use a short filter or risk destroying your engine or I'm going to try rotate the filter 90° haven't done that yet. Not sure it will fit but their recommendations for filters are dangerous
Did you call Baxter? They're really nice guys and they make a great product. If you're having issues, they'll be happy to help you sort them out. But if you just give it a bad review and make comments on a channel that isn't affiliated with Baxter, they don't have any way of knowing you're having an issue. Call them up. They'll help you out.
@@MotorsandMischief I did not leave a bad review, (3 Stars) I bought directly from Baxter and I just stated facts. My experience with the filter size they recommend was smashed by front diff and caused a leak on the drive home. The longer filter with the relocation kit, are too long and hit the diff. If I was not paying attention, I would be buying a new engine. I simply think, they should update their mounting location or only suggest the shorter filter, mounting of filter adapter to relocation bracket. Since I installed the shorter filter and cleaned up 4 qtrs. of oil from underside of my Rubicon, It's working as advertise. I live overseas so calling is an issue of time zones.
Mr Baxter left out the most important information for the winter areas where at - 20 degrees farinheght you are dry starting your engine and also waiting for your oil to warm to lubricant the internal engine parts. Batters device is an absolute must in cold climates.
When you become a Chrysler top tier master tech!!!! Regardless of temp!!! After sitting all cars have a time of “dry starting and that’s why these new oils bond and adhere to your engine components
So will the dealer know how to change oil correctly with this aftermarket part? And does this void the factory warranty?
There's a sticker that goes on the intake with a QR code that links to videos and instructions, so if the dealer reads it, then yes. And no, it doesn't void the warranty; manufacturers cannot void warranties because of aftermarket parts unless they can prove the aftermarket part caused the failure. However, as we always say, if you're not comfortable with that, just hold off installing this until the vehicle is out of warranty. Thanks for the question!
I don't have a 3.2 or 3.6 but if I did I would buy this cool product also in research I read a max of 30 psi is all you need if using shop air
Good catch, thank you for the comment!
I bought one and have not yet installed. I assume, once installed, it's ME who will have to do future oil changes. I do have a timing question however,,,,,,,how long does it take for the anti-backup valve to open and oilflood the uppers as opposed to the time it takes WITHOUT the Baxter??
So without the Baxter, you're looking at the time it takes to run from the oil pan where the oil pump pick is, all the way up to the cams. With the check valve on the Baxter unit, it only needs to go from the oil filter over to the cams. Baxter has some great technical videos on their website, check them out at www.baxterperformanceusa.com
I do all my oil changes myself and thought about the same question myself. Out of courtesy for the next owner, I'm getting a metal tag made up with brief instructions Would only cost about $10-15 and it wouldn't be for me, but future owners should appreciate it.
Regards. Where can I get it?, and what type of filter would I use?
The manufacturer is Baxter Performance and we linked their website in the description, but here it is for easy reference for you: www.baxterperformanceusa.com When you buy the kit it comes with instructions on which spin on filters you can use. And of course you can call or email Baxter Performance if you have any questions about the filter. Thanks for commenting!
The orange can of death Fram what else
Is there an option for the WK2 Pentastar engine?
Does this replace the filter or do you put filter in it and tgen put this on. The me hanics will say that this can crack the plastic as they keep telling me my husband does my oil change but I believe it's a defective design. So I had mine changed to the aluminum one... Will this work on the aluminum one
Its a different part number for the plastic one, we have that one on our older JK. This one uses the aluminum one. So if you have the aluminum upgrade, it doesn't matter what year your JK is, you use the newer style Baxter unit. If you have the plastic type in a 2014 and older, you use the other part number. If you have any specific questions, just call the Baxter Boys and they'll walk you through exactly what you need.
Just spent $8000 on new timing chains, tensioners, and lifters and rockers. Maybe this is a good thing.
Could of bought a new motor.
@@bigdog8395 probaly shop cost included i presuming
You forgot the most important question what size oil filter does the new housing take??
It's on their website
As Bigdaddymak said, its on the website, and there's a bunch of different options, which is why we didn't list them. Find the one you like.
No....all spin-on oil filters have check valves that keep the filter filled with oil, even if they are mounted upside down.
Not on the output side of the filter. The center is wide open drains back into the pan.
@@bigdaddymak1439 Not true. The redesigned oil filter housings have check valves. It's easily seen on n the schematic drawing.
@@Japplesnap not on a Subaru
@@bigdaddymak1439 I thought we were talking about Jeeps. You know, like in this video....
@@Japplesnap they talked about both. You said spin on filters which do not have a check valve
What oil cooler assembly would the Baxter guys recommend or do they make one themselves???
Best thing to do is just reach out to the Baxter Boys directly, they’ll be happy to help you out. Their website is linked in our video description. Thanks for the question!
Will this product work just as well if you install an aluminum oil housing?
We have like 4 of these videos on different vehicles we have; we're big fans of the product. On one of them, one of the wranglers, we did exactly this and it works great. The only thing you need to do is make sure you match the adapter to the housing. For us, we have a 2013 Wrangler that got the 2015+ upgraded oil housing, so we had to go with the 2015+ Baxter adapter. On our other 2013 Wrangler, without the updated cooler, we installed the 2013/2014 Baxter adapter. Thanks for the question!
@MotorsandMischief I have heard as far as the aluminum oil cooler housing of people saying they are having problems with the seals drying out to quickly from excessive heat over plastic. May I ask if you have had any of these problems? Thank you so much for responding!
We asked Dr. Torque about it and this is what he said: I don't have any oil leaks on the new aluminum housing. It has been less than a year, though. I also used the actual Dorman unit instead of one of the cheap Chinese knockoffs, so hopefully that will help. The stock plastic unit on my wife's Jeep has started to leak. It is six years old. I do see people saying to use Mopar seals, since many of the cheaper ones may fail more quickly.
Would this work on promasters???? My gutt says yes
Our response is... probably. We are working with the Baxter boys on their 2013 3.6 because its different than their current offering, so there might be something different on the Promasters. But just call Baxter and ask. Tell them Motors & Mischief sent you - they'll take good care of you and let you know if you're good to go on a Promaster. Thanks for the question!
Are doing this?Do you avoid the warranty
Not in the US, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for manufacturers to void your warranty due to aftermarket equipment, unless they can prove the aftermarket equipment caused the failure. That said, as we've said over and over, if you're not comfortable don't install this until you're out of warranty. We're convinced it helps, and we're glad we have it, but its not a make or break addition that you have to add immediately. Its a great idea that will help oil get to your lifters a little faster and over the life of the motor, that will probably add up and extend the life of the engine for you. But its not worth risking the warranty if you aren't comfortable. Just pick one up and once the engine's out of warranty, then go ahead and install it.
Would this fit on a 2022 ram 1500 3.6L v6 and would it work the same?
It will! Check baxterperformance.com, they have a whole application list and will get you the right unit.
Backing the cap off to orientate the schrader valve seems like potential leak problem .
We might not have explained it well but the unit is spring loaded, so it can be backed off up to 180° and still be fully sealed. Great question!
I agree with the "leak" potential question.
Crazy expensive, do these things ever go on sale?
I'm just curious. You say the Subaru will drain back in to the engine because the filter is inverted yet your filter is also inverted in this application. Why would theirs drain back and yours won't? They both have the built in check valve. Not trying to cause trouble just seeking more information.. Makes me wonder if the air compressor thing is a ruse to make to think you are draining the oil back down when in fact it has already drained down below. Thanks.
The Subaru part is throwing us just a bit but we’ll try to answer this regardless. The issue is the stock Jeep canister filter has no check valve. The spin on type filters do have a check valve. Thanks for the question!
@@MotorsandMischief Wow, that's a response? So does the Subaru set up. Thank you.
I guess you could try taking the filter off without clearing the filter. if oil pours all over the place, you'll know its working as advertised! :)
Is this the same V6 in my full-size 2023 ram truck
It's the same base engine but the intake is different, and we think the heads might be too. Check with Baxter Performance if you have any questions, they're super nice guys. Thanks for the comment!
Just checked application for Toyota oil filters. 2024 Camry takes cartridge filter.
Friction is bad. So are loose timing chains and out of phase cams.
A loose timing chain is the early form of VVT.
Can this be used on a 2018 dodge charger 3.6?????
Check the manufacturer's website, they have a ton of different versions.
So I know they say 30psi is all that you need.....but what if you use more? I mean, say you are at a shop and use their air system and you don't know the psi. Is too much PSI a thing with this?
I spoke to Mr. Baxter on the phone about the air pressure question. He told me the device is capable of handling up to 1000psi. but a bicycle pump will work just fine.
Just be sure to remove the oil filler cap before shooting the air through.
@@72hogdog thanks for that. Great info!
But ... what about Lucas additive that coats everything to prevent dry starts?
lucas is good for some motors but not all- it makes your existing oil weight heavier
Lucas oil treatment comes in a synthetic formula so it doesn't increase the oil weight.
@@70blue63 synthetic or not, the original lucas oil additive is a viscosity of 45 even at operating temp. according to msds sheet. it will make your oil heavier. you ever try to pour that stuff out of the bottle? shits like molasses
@@ascendantrobin3230 the synthetic formula comes out far lighter than the standard formula. Have you tried it side by side cause I have
You spin me right 'round...
Great now that song is stuck in our head for the next two days. Welp “You spin me right round baby right round!! Like a record…”
Heh.
Will the engine cover still work
It didn't on our 2013 but we haven't dug out the list of alternate filters that Baxter sent with the kit to see if one of the others will fit. Our advice is to call the Baxter boys, their phone number is on their website www.baxterperformance.com and they'll help you out.
Worth the price if you are driving it hard and absolutely need to get the maximum efficiency from immediate oil lubrication. But $400 is questionable for a normal use vehicle that isn't abused.
We'll say we halfway agree with you. If you are planning to use your Jeep for 60k miles and then trade it in on a new one, this is most likely overkill. However, if you're hoping to get maximum life expectancy out of the engine, then any amount of wear saved at startup theoretically extends the overall life of the engine. Thanks for the comment!
Rebuilt a 3.6 in a Grand Cherokee at 80,000. Cost Mort than this device.
Traditional filters are also bigger than the cartridges
Very good point!
I have a hamburger supercharger on my jeep will this work for me the supercharger is in the place of the alternator
Call Baxter Performance. Their number is on their website and they can walk you through exactly what you need: www.baxterperformance.com
A solution looking for a problem 🤷🏽♂️
Well there’s a noticeable, obvious difference in sound when you install the kit. The engine is much quieter on start up, so this isn’t so much a solution without a problem as it is a preventative solution that certain people may or may not find worth the money. But Google loves comments so thanks for commenting!
Sure it makes a difference 😉. But hey, here’s another comment to help your Google searches; it definitely appears you need it. You’re welcome 👍🏽
I don't think it'll work on a ram ProMaster?
Call Baxter Performance, their contact info is in the description. They’re super nice guys and they’ll tell you if you can or not or if you can with mods or what have you. Thanks for the question!
I want it, send me the invoice please!!
Everyone wants to know… does this void my warranty?
Excellent question, and we probably should have mentioned that in the video. The short answer is no. Some dealerships will try to tell you that if you modify your vehicle then that makes it ineligible for warranty and this is absolutely not true. Thanks to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, a dealer must prove that the aftermarket equipment caused the need for warranty repairs before it can deny coverage. Some dealers will charge you a diagnostic fee if they think the warranty claim will be kicked, but after diagnostics if it's determined the aftermarket part did not cause the problem, they will refund you the diagnostic fee. Baxter Performance has a great write-up here: www.baxterperformanceusa.com/does-installing-baxter-performance-adapters-affect-my-warranty/ . Thanks so much for the question!
Has anyone ever used one of these on a Promaster van?
Our understanding from the Baxter boys is yes, it's been done. Give them a call, they're super nice and their phone number is on their website: www.baxterperformance.com
Good idea but sorry ridiculous price. Has anyone encountered any warranty issues if installing this product? I can see warranties being voided.
We've addressed both these comments before but happy to do so again. With all the cheap products out there that don't last and just focus on being as cheap as possible to get the sale, we're pleased to have found a product that's made in the USA and designed to last. We honestly wouldn't want to put anything on such a critical part of our engine that used any cheap parts or labor to lower the cost. This is one of those areas where you get what you pay for. As to the warranty, the Magnuson-Moss act prohibits manufacturers from voiding warranty claims unless they can prove the system caused the problem. However, as we say to anyone who is worried about the warranty aspect: wait until after the warranty period if you're concerned about warranty issues. Thanks for the comment!
Awesome $400 to void my warranty!!!
10 million in service, the small % of failures are mostly from people not keeping them serviced !!
Sigh. Your exclamation points not withstanding, it will not void the warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Act prohibits manufacturers from voiding warranties because of aftermarket parts installation. Its been around for almost 50 years. The aftermarket part has to be the *cause* of the failure for a manufacturer to void the warranty. They can't void it simply because you installed aftermarket parts. This is 'Merica!, we don't work like that. That said, we'll say what we say to every single person who has hesitation about installing this on their rig and having an issue with a future warranty claim: don't install it now. There's no hurry. Once your Jeep is out of warranty, then you can buy this and install it. 60k miles or whatever your Jeep's factory warranty is isn't going to cause terminal wear without this upgrade. The upgrade only helps extend the longevity of the motor anyway. So if it worries you, just don't do it. Bam, no worries.
@@MotorsandMischief aftermarket parts are different than a modification which this is!
....... You're awfully passionate for someone who hasn't got their facts straight. If you actually read the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, it makes no differentiation between parts or a modification. It stipulates that warranties cannot be voided merely due to the use of aftermarket parts or services. All aftermarket parts can be considered modifications. Manufacturers have to prove the non-original part or service was the cause of the defect to deny warranty claims. But look friend, no one is forcing you to buy this. We aren't even the sellers on this item. We simply liked it, installed it on our own vehicle and made a video about. Don't think its worth $400? Great, don't install it. Think it will void your warranty? No worries, don't install it. But please stop spreading false information for people who do find the modification to be valuable and worth the money.
@@MotorsandMischief good luck
Try to fight them, I have been there
Do alot of research befor you spend 400 on this. Alot of people on the jeep forums are saying this does not work as good as they claim. And not to wast your money. I was going to get this but i will not now. It also makes your oil dipstick useless. You have to guess at your oil level
Do you... do you think that because a small amount of oil is held in the filter that somehow changes the level in the engine....? Wow. Ok, so yes a few ounces of oil is held in the oil filter, but that is not a significant amount of oil even if you poured it directly into the pan. And you're not pouring it into the pan, you're holding it in the filter for startup and during engine run the oil is being circulated too fast for it to make any difference. It 100%, absolutely, positively, in no meaningful manner "makes your oil dipstick useless." As to the effectiveness of the product, is it as good as we'd hoped? No. Does it ensure some oil gets to the engine sooner than if it was there. Absolutely. Is that worth $400? Depends on the person. For us, yes. If it extends the longevity of the engine even a little, its worth it. For others, maybe not. For sure make up your own mind. But at the end of the day its putting oil on the cams sooner. So if that's worth $400, go for it. If not, there are literally a million other cool products you can spend $400 for your Jeep.
Service departments make to much money changing these coolers out. Corporate will never fix the problem.
Preach Big Dog! We agree with this. Whether its for the dealers to make the money or its not worth the money to Jeep to fix it, we're not positive but you're a hundred percent right its a money decision. Thanks for the comment!
Neat product, but almost $400?
We hear you, $400 is a lot of money. We wish it was $200. Heck, as long as we're wishing, we wish Jeep had engineered this thing properly in the first place so the add on wasn't necessary. And also that it was a V8. Part of it is the economy and supply chain issues, part of it is a lot of R&D went into these things and they're pretty darn well made; all that costs something. But we do wish Baxter could afford to sell them cheaper, 100% agree with you.
@@MotorsandMischief Fair enough .
Drop a $20 that this is a ‘planned obsolescence’ thing. I’ll go so far as to say that’s the root of the rocker arm problem….
And where is their proof of damage to the engine from the factory filter system?
Anecdotal evidence is more than adequate in this day and age. Stop asking such persnickety questions.
There is no proof. There are plenty of 3.6 Pentastar engines with 200,000 + miles using the original oil filter housing/cooler and filter cartridge. The stock set-up is more than adequate.
@@JapplesnapWhat does Jeep say to all this? Will they void the warranty?
$379.95 OUCH!
I think it is a scam. How about the oil filters located on the side of the engine at the bottom, can't see how this helps.
The filters you're referring to are not really at the bottom of the engine, they're at the side, above the oil pump, and those filters have check valves. So the engine is only pumping oil from the filter which is maybe 2/3s or half of the distance to the bottom of the pan and the oil pick up. For this 3.6, there is a noticeable difference in valve clatter at startup on this engine between when its been sitting and when it was only recently turned off. When you add this adapter, you'll notice less valve clatter, so the system is making a difference that you can hear at every startup. Is this absolutely necessary and the engine will blow up without it? Of course not. But for folks who want to get the most longevity out of their motors, the less time the engine spends running without oil on startup, the better. But its not a scam and everything we reported on is backed up by rigorous testing. Check out www.baxterperformanceusa.com/videos there are videos showing the drain back on the factory system. Thanks for your comment.
$500.00!!! $500.00 in Canadian funds!! Put a stop valve on the oil pickup! That ain’t gonna fly. More like $100.00
400 no way you are full of crap you are not getting oil to the top of the motor faster that’s funny no way would I kill the warranty. You could not pay me to put that on any rig.
Hi 00750r, it definitely feels like a radical upgrade for some folks, and we totally understand those that want to keep it stock. For us, we love experimenting and its really just returning back to older designs, and some current ones, that hold the oil in the filter until you start the vehicle. We appreciate you taking the time to comment!
I use a quality full synthetic, and change every 5k, thats all you need to do.
And what quality oil do you use? @@cjsteele9594
This shit is a bad 400 dollars JOKE I CAN SAY THIS AS A TOP TIER MASTER TECH!!! And owns 4 shops!!!
Let me help you out. Stop buying Chrysler products. Stick with a nice Toyota and you don’t have to fix oem mistakes.
We love Toyota and they make awesome vehicles, but they're not immune to OEM mistakes. The current problems with the 2022-2023 turbo V6 in the Tundra are so bad, dealers won't take them in on trade and Toyota has admitted its debris left in the engine from the manufacturing process.
Again new oils have bonding agents that stick to all the internals so there’s no real “DRY STARTS!!!! Cool snake oil packaging though as a tier 1 master tech for Chrysler and an independent owner of 4 successful shops that make more money in a month than any deal ship with n a year!!!! So thanks for the joke and the coolest snakes oil commercial and a tip for you you can tell you’re a non mechanic you are saying things that make no sense! Send me one and I’ll prove this is a joke and why.
Thanks for your passion, truly. First, I’m a master tech too, got all the ASE certs, just so we’re on the same page. Second, we don’t make this product, so we can’t really send you one, you’d have to talk to the manufacturers, they’re nice guys. Third, this does work and it’s not snake oil because when you fire the Jeep up before installation, you can hear valve train noise. When you fire it up after installation, you don’t. It’s that simple. The question of if that extra lubrication is worth $400 is extremely valid, and for some people it’s probably not. But it absolutely works as designed, just like a conventional spin on oil filter with a standard anti drainback device. If this wasn’t useful based on oil bonding agents, manufacturers wouldn’t bother installing anti drainback valves into filters any longer, they’d save the money. But they do, because they work. Again, you can actually hear the difference after you install it. So if you don’t think it’s worth the money or you’d rather put the $400 into a different upgrade, that’s totally fine and we don’t even necessarily disagree with you. But please don’t call it snake oil because it does exactly what it promises.