Death Wobble: Identified, Explained, ELIMINATED!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2022
- After many years of being both a Jeeper, and a Mechanic, I have seen so many strange attempts at fixing the death wobble on Jeeps! Some are comical! Others are even more dangerous then the original issue! So We made this video to help you understand, identify and eliminate the Jeep Death Wobble, THE RIGHT WAY!
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Attention to all who are commenting on this video. Since i made it, i am NO longer in an auto shop personally. Though i can direct you to one, i recently took an opportunity that i could not say no to. Please ask questions, please reach out at Yasmarproductions@gmail.com.... however, my comment to come and see me is currently on hold. If that changes, i will delete this comment and let everyone know. Thank you again for all the support!
Just ran across this video and I am in need of an alignment. What shop would you recommend?
It might be easier to edit that part of the video out.
Thank you, This was very informative and easy to understand. Great work. I will definitely share your channel with my jeep group.
Incredibly informative video! I am going through these exact issues currently with my JL and this elucidated much of the problem. Also, you have a nice little helper! Thanks a lot
Thank you, this is great information and just in time! I've begun the front-end revamp research and thanks to the part-by-part description I now have a much better understanding of the scope of my goals. Subscribed!
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A hero willing to share knowledge for the good of all.. well done Sir. I hope you continue to prosper. I just bought an old Jeep and I had no idea how to check each of the components and what is considered good and what is considered bad. Thank you again
thank you so much for the info - I have been dealing with steering bump/death wobble and could not figure it out since everything is still stock & replaced - you are the only person to address the toe in/toe out and how it affects the dynamics. I adjusted my alignment today per your info & it seems to have corrected the problem - Thanks Much!
The tow adjustment you showed was the only way my 03 TJ stopped having the death wobble. So far, this has been the only video to show this that I’ve seen.
Nice info … always nice to have a fresh outlook on things … 37yrs in the biz .. when I check ball joints , lifting under the axle allows for a more controlled test .
I can say 100% the only thing that worked on my gladiator was a touch of toe out! After checking and re checking everything, trying different toe in, adding and removing castor, tyre pressure, shock settings, different stabilise the toe out instantly made my Jeep drivable again, this video and some reading online really helped so thank you sir all the way from Australia
Go to the dealership! they should replace it with a new STEEL gear box! They made a Cheap one and have answer.. only if u show up and complain!
@@bgowin24 mine came factory from the dealer with the steel box
They still have a alignment
With ur drag link…
Some $12 shop person won’t tighten it correctly
That can be a part of it to then the normal check list
Just wanted to add something extra. Not stop spending time and money
Thank you Henry!
I thought you were talking about the position of your brake foot.. toe in or toe out 😅
This video was so helpful, I like how you explained everything and all the information was very thorough. Thank you!!!
You're welcome! 😀😃🙂
I’ve been looking for a video like this for a while. Thank you so much for sharing all of this knowledge.
Great video. After 3 years, I have never experienced death wobble on my Gladiator with my AEV lift and 37" Cooper STT Pros. I also have added other top notch components like Steersmarts Yeti XD tie rod and draglink assemblies and adjustable trackbar. I check that everything is tight and bushings and ball joints are not worn out every 2-3 months, and before I go on any overland trip no matter how short or long the trip will be. A good idea is to mark bolts with a paint pen to see if anything has loosened up over time.
Loved the video! It's difficult finding people who can effectively teach others this well, so I'm sure I'll enjoy your other videos. I own a 95 RHD Defender and someone posted a video about death wobble in their Defender. I figured I'd give your video a shot, although this is for a Jeop, and im glad I did. I'm looking forward to your other videos, as I'm sure I'll find information that's applicable across a wide range of vehicles. Subscribed!
Thank you. I hope the alignment idea works for yours as well... I try to not be exclusive, though I am a fan of jeeps.... thank you for the kind words and the support!
Great video can you please send me the name of your shop . I'm in California and at this point I'm willing to drive up there and take my son's jeep to you . Went to a local shop and had work done to fix this issue and nothing . Finally went to 4wheel parts and still have the same problem I'm lost and don't let my son drive the jeep till I fix this issue for good so if you could please send me your info . I would like to schedule a date to leave it yo you and see if you can finally fix this for my peace of mind thanks in advance
Funny thing about this trick. It used to be common sense in the old days. My dad taught me years ago that the toe on every vehicle should go slightly outward. Never straight ahead. I set a straight toe on a Dodge I once owned and it shook the suspension like mad. Adding a slight outward toe cured it plain and simple. Shame on Jeep for setting bad specs. More proof that the company is the major cause of the Jeep problems. If I ever come through Vegas, I'll definitely ask you to do the front end for me. As I no longer work on cars. Thanks for posting. And btw, not too many people have the talent to explain something that any dummy can understand. You are a very good teacher.
Great work explaining how the front axle works, have 0k on a new JL but I heard wobble will come at any moment! So its better to eliminate it at first sight.
This is a great video for new comers that want to get in to the lifted Jeep world! From wranglers to WJs XJs and ZJs. You’ve covered it all, one honorable mention to check for the death wobble is also check the steering gear box because if your steering wheel has excessive play then the gear box is worn down and needs replacing.
Awesome video!! Truly. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of that.
forgot to add. I lifted my 1999 3 inches and my 2013 3.5 inches. did the lifts myself, no wabble. my 2016 I bought with a 4 inch lift already installed and it has a slight wabble. thanks for this video, keep it up
thanks for your explanation, it was clair and understanding greatly appreciated
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Excellent video and explanations. Very much appreciated
Just watched your video. On May 22nd was my B-day, ever since the JKU came out always wanted one. I purchased a pre-owned 2007 (98k miles) Sahara, Big bear edition 4 inch lift with 37's wheels! The suspension felt weird, I took it to get ot aligned but still wasn't satisfied with how it drove. Your video was SO HELPFUL!!! I just did all those simple tests and found out that my lower control arms are very lose! All other components are straight and true except the arms!! I'm getting those bushings replaced asap!! Thanks for making this video! Very easy to digest!!
Your welcome, and congrats on the JK
Thank you for showing the normal movement in the tie rod and drag link. There are so many video's on here showing that as a problem when it is normal! Great video. Good music also!
Wish there was more people around like your self awsome info great advice need to plan me a trip out there thank you for your video
Best video N complete description of “Death Wobble” I’ve seen…🤜🏻👍😎
I appreciate your videos man. Ive been watching these for a while. Soon I'll be in my JK 2 Door and these things are necessary to know. Even the "Naming Your Jeep" video. Your contribution to the community is not going unnoticed. All Love
I love comments like this! 👍 thank you!
Finally, somebody explained the toe-out thing. I've seen it mentioned before. When I ask around, most people never heard of it. I have a Power Wagon & LJ, so I can tell you this applies to all solid axle trucks. Now please speak a bit about caster.
Another highly valuable video. Thank you. 👍
I've been four wheeling since 1982. Have built, two from the ground up, quite a few rigs over the years (Jeeps and pickups but ignore the make since all the running gear was a mix). I've had good luck solving death wobble but not perfect. This is the best solid technical informatoin I've seen on death wobble, an excellent video. One timy thing overlooked: The steering stabilitzer(s) (sometimes you need two) must be in top condition. Nonetheless an excellent video. (fwiw I've published 14 articles in the four wheeling mags in the day and Moses Ludel published a couple of articles on my builds)..
I enjoyed this video. Thank you
Thank you from Ukraine! Your advice helped me to kill the death wobble on JKU.
I'm on my 3rd jeep and this jku is only one that has had a slight wabble. great video
Great video, thanks for the info
I have a 2012 jku and have had the death wobble a few times. A guy in traffic said he could see something wrong, control arm I think he said. I looked under everywhere and nothing looked wrong to me but I don’t really know what I’m looking for. I only have a two inch lift and 33s. So thanks for the great video and i hope nothing is too bad on my Jeep!
Great job hope all is well thank you.
Just experienced my first death wobble this weekend. The dealer recently installed the new steel gear box on my gladiator, never got the death wobble on my old aluminum one. Going to check everything you mentioned but if I can’t figure it out, what is your shops name or number? I’m in vegas as well. Thanks for the great explanation 👍
Great video, very well explained.
Love that kid!
Who’s the red head tho?
Thank you very much 🙏🏻 you just took a big weight off my shoulders 👍🏻👍🏻
Best instructional video
Just found your Channel. THANK YOU!!!!!
glad I happened across this...as we recently experienced DW on my 2021 Willys w/16k . scared the hell outta the wife, but I knew. still under warranty and took it in for oil service and mentioned the DW. "Steering Dampner is what you need and will stop it". I questioned that and upon time to take the vehicle in (currently on order) I plan to assure everything is secure & the wheels are aligned...thanks to this video.
The best death wobble video by far thank you kind sir
Thank you! 😊 glad u appreciated it
@@JeepingForBeginners where are you in Las Vegas. I’m in Southern California. 5 shops haven’t fixed my problem. I’ve upgraded entire front suspension.
WOW thanks for that video. I have a 2015 JKU with 80,000 miles on it. I have owned it since 2017 and never had a DW or any real issues with steering in that time (brakes are another story). Due to its age\milage, I took it to a 4x4 shop for a good front-end inspection to keep it happy for another 80,000. They recommended replacing the drag link since it was showing its age and JUST out of spec. Ball joints in spec, tie-rod\ends in spec (but showing age), no movement in trackbar or control arms. It is pretty much stock except for a front bumper. I had the rake corrected for a heavy front bumper with a 1" Teraflex spacer and new shocks all around, had the drag link replaced and the tierod (and both ends). I finished with an alignment.
Driving at low speeds was wonderful. It felt like a new Jeep. Highway driving, I got my first DW ever. I thought I was a dead man. I had to stop to correct it. Did it again on another highway (both times on a corner turning left and hitting an expansion joint in the highway. I had no idea what the issue could be. The printout showed .10 Toe, both left and right. Stock control arms so no caster to adjust but green. Now I at least have a plausible explanation. Thank You
Best video about this.
Great video explaining things! Me and my buddies put 4.5" springs and 4.5-6" shocks on my JLU and now we got a death wobble. In the process replacing my stock front lower adjustable control arms since all my control arms were still stock. I do have beefy tie rod, adjustable track bar front and rear and drag link. Do you think changing front lowers will take care of issue? Everything else is fine, ALSO I need to get wheel alignment done as well since that might be out..
Ok, I was told that you adjust the toe inward because when you drive down the road it'll push the toe outward.
Also, and I found this out the hard way, issues with your brakes (clogged lines, pulling to one side when braking, etc) can cause the dreaded death wobble by putting stress on your steering components!
Lastly, tire wear, balance, flat spots, etc... can affect those components.
I love this channel btw... You break everything down better than most of the mechanic's channels!! Keep up the good work!!!
If you toe in you amplify it... especially on lifted jeeps... found over the years that slight outward works best.... and because it is still in specs, have never seen negative tire wear. Lol.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad the efforts are appreciated
@@JeepingForBeginners need an appointment
Thank you very much for the great video.
Hardly anyone here in Germany drives a lifted Jeep JK with 4 inch lift and 35s.
I also have Death Wobble from time to time but only if I drive over a bump and relieve the suspension. I always thought in wheel alignment that toe-in would be better, so I've always set more toe-in.
On cars with independent suspension, a little toe-in stabilizes straight-line stability.
I'll have to try this right away. Death Wobble on the Autobahn is not funny 😅
Did you try this? Did it work for you?
@@headedwest89 Yes, it worked very well for me. Before that, I checked the steering and steering knuckles for play. I don't have a death wobble anymore😄
Well in shop or not. U explained it very well and I hope I can get the wobble out,because it is bad
Making sure your steering stabilizer is good and the alignment are critical
I lost my 2000 Wrangler due to our recent hurricane Ian. Jeeps don't like salt water. I put 150k miles on it and never had experienced a "Death Wobble". It was not lifted. I just bought a 2004 Wrangler with 106k miles, and about a 2" lift. The 2nd time I drove it I experience a major Death Wobble at 50+ miles an hour. I couldn't hold the steering wheel stable as I was slowly applying brake. It wobbled until about 10mph. I can't imagine going 75 and getting a DW. This video was very helpful in explaining the issues. Thank you for making this video. Of course I subscribed!
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Nicely done
Thank you for not mentioning the steering stabilizer. My cousin just had their brand new gladiator in the shop for death wobble and the dealership told them it was the stabilizer. I was like, if they replaced it, that's fine, but it wasn't the cause of death wobble. I just replaced everything on my tj, ball joints, tie rod, drag link, pitman arm, and steering gear box. Had to of course take it in for an alignment, but she's tracking smooth and straight again. Fortunately, i never had the death wobble, but it was wandering all over the road!
When the suspension is tight, working correctly and in full alignment, you should never need the stabilizer itself. That is there only to keep the turning abilities smooth, not to fix a problem or prevent a problem. Only once, in 23 years, did I see a stabilizer be the problem... but it was not because it was weak or blown, but because it locked up and froze.... hence why I did not mention that as a culprit for this issue. Glad your TJ is tracking smooth!
@@JeepingForBeginners bingo!
@@JeepingForBeginnerswas death wobble “LESS” of an issue when Solid front axle trucks utilized Leaf springs on the solid front axles ???
VERY WELL EXPLAINED SIR
I've been looking for someone for a while and I saw you on RUclips. I really think you can help me with my Jeep.
Excellent video, very educational. I still have death wobble on my 04 grand Cherokee overland after having in to 3 shops including a Jeep dealership and a ford dealership .. even the ford svc mgr who is a friend of a friend said they have problem with ford trucks .. but after money spent nothing they did fixed it (control arms replaced but I don’t know if they replaced the bushing on the axle). Jeep the company has destroyed my passion about ever getting another .. great job Jeep! My friends’ gf has 2 jeeps and both are death wobble nightmares .. bye bye Jeep .. sad to you go but I cannot tolerate crap engineering
nice explanation
Wow. Great video. We are retired and about to buy our first Jeep to tow behind the RV. This helps me tremendously when inspecting the purchase. Great tip on the toe out for avoiding death wobble. Do you do pre-inspections for Jeep buyers in the Las Vegas area ? ? ?
Ty. And absolutely. Shoot me an email and we can discuss what and where you are looking to buy.
Yasmarproductions@gmail.com
Funny that you did not mention the steering dampener... Which is exactly where my Jeep dealer went to first, when my Jeep returned to the dealer with the death wobble at less than 5000 mi. The warrantied change of the steering dampener took away the death wobble.... I had already done a fastener check on all steering components and found them tight.
Do you possibly have a measurement from front of tire to back of tire to go off of for toe out. I usually take straight edges and bungee to tired and pull measurements to find zero or as close as possible so could do the same with toe out if you had a measurement. Thanks awesome video and very informative
It has been 50 years since I took auto mechanics, but for the tow-in, I remember the spec from the manufacturer as being for both wheels combined. So, if tow-in is 1 degree, that is .5 degree per wheel with the steering wheel centered. That totals out to 1 degree. Tow-in is also determined with the mechanic reading the setting on the machine while pushing both front wheels at the front away from each other to account for the force applied by the tire friction as your car moves forward on the highway. If there is no slop in the tied rod joints, you will not see any.
I wish I was in vegas but tenn, I have to replace some front end parts and was wondering what brand i should be looking at. Dont want to half do it and do it again soon.
Thanks jim
I have a stock 2022 Gladiator Rubicon and have had no steering issues. A good friend put bigger tires on his and had it raised and is now having the death wobble.
I recently seen your video and liked how informative it was; the part about the outer reaches of the positive was a great touch that could save time and money. I do have a question...I noticed that when I come to a stop from time to time (on the highway) when I reach around 50 to 55 mph while braking I get a small amount of Death Wobble, what could be the problem? Also, would replacing the shocks help the problem?
I had that happen to me in I still have mine stock but it was a 2014 turned out it was a track bar. But thank you for the video wow I learned something
99% of the time, the fault is in the Trac bar for sure. 😘
I’m definitely going to take mine to a shop and use this advice. I have an 01 TJ with a 2.5 inch lift and 35” tires that drove like a dream (1 finger at 80mph plus). Had to replace my tie rod and drag link. Went with the CavFab standard steering that deleted my sway bars and steering stabilizer. At 40mph, the death wobble is terrible and makes it only driveable off road. We checked my tow angle with a measuring tape. There is 3/4 inch difference from the front of the brake rotors to the rear of the rotors. I’m hoping this info will help. Any other advice about the sway bar replacement and steering stabilizer issues are appreciated. Thanks and awesome video!
Just watched the video and would like your help. I live in Vegas and would like to come by your shop .
Thanks, Keith
Thanks for a very informative video.
When checking the track bar angle, does it matter if the wheels are hanging (as shown in the video) or with tires resting on ground or lift rails?
It matters more when the weight of the vehicle is on the wheels. However, by rights, they should be parallel either way. With the taller lifts, like the 4" and higher, while hanging the axle will shift harder... so focus more on flat ground. Example, while on the alignment rack itself
Thank you for this video. I need help with another issue as well. 2018 JLU, I get rear end sway side to side for a short moment after hitting a rough bump in the road from 35mph and over. It lasts for about 2-3 seconds and is starting to contribute to death wobble now. Ty! Oh.. edit* stock suspension, 32” tires, 48k miles.
Had my Jeep 10 months. On my 4th! I swear the suspension and steering components are basically all new at this point.
I’m about ready to sell my rubicon but love it. I want to keep it. But this is a headache right now. Do you recommend any shops in San Antonio Texas.
This man is doing the Lord's work✊🇺🇸🙏
Dang, I wish I had a shop to do this. I'm struggling with a shimmy that's getting worse and worse on my JL with a Clayton Overland 2.5" lift and 37" Wildpeak AT3w.
Well I've obviously been doing it wrong all my life.. I am 72 and have been fixin all my life
I have always towed every vehicle I've owned in 1/8th of an inch ..
never had the death wobble until the this 2012 3500 Dodge got to about 200 thousand Canadian KMS on it , I finally built my own track bar bushing with solid ball bushings..
now I will get my ass organized and tow it in..
Thank You for this eye opener
What should the Castor angle be? My Jeep wanders a little. I took it in to an alignment shop the wanted to know what angle I wanted.
I have a two door Rubicon with a 4" lift with adjustable control arms, 35" tires.
The same tow secret is the best way to set tow when flat towing your Jeep behind your RV!
good info!!!!!1
Thank you for sharing, I appreciate, however I am not only a new Jeep owner but I also know NOTHING about these things you mentioned, where they are located or what they even look like, so if you ever decide to edit this video please, when you mention an area, please please please also throw up a pic of what it is and exactly where it is and if it's not too much trouble, how you get to it 🙏
Could I get a good offroad weheel alignment shop here in vegas, 4wp is a joke at least here in Vegas great video thanks
Do you have insights for a 2016 6.7 Ram 3500 alignment?
you are awesome, wish i was in the Vegas area,, i don't have death wobble i have reincarnation wobble, shit happen over and over again.
My jk has a metal clock track bar and drag link and tie rod, I noticed you adjusted each side on the tie rod separately, with the type I have it does both sides at once, how can you correct 1 side being without takeing the tie off ?
Hello, I have a 2014 JKU Rubicon with a New 3" Terraflex lift, New Front & Rear Track Bars, New Fox 2.0 shocks and Fox thru body stabilizer. New Ball Joints, and new Nitto 35x12.5 AT Tires. It doesn't have death wobble but it tends to drift easily right and left. It has been pro aligned for slight toe in, within factory specs. Do you think it should be slightly toe'd out?? Or any suggestion is appreciated.
Ball joints fixed my DW on my 21' JL with 9k miles stock...... It can happen. Replaced stock with Dyantrac HD's...
There are a lot theories on how to fix death wobble, this looks like a realistic fix.
Where in Vegas ? I’ll be working there for few months? I’ll be close to summerlin .
Thank you. I just had mine at a shop and he said he had to replace my track bar and he did alignment and i still have wobble. he said i need new tires and get them balanced and that will fix my wobble. I dont think so!
Good morning John where are you located in las vegas
If my shocks and springs are worn out could this cause the wobble? On the occasion I hit a hard pothole it will wobble do you think that could be the cause new to my 97 Grand Cherokee...one more question ? Do you think it's worth to buy the Rough Country 4 in lift with the new shocks and springs and stuff... thanks buddy love the video by the way taught me a lot keep them coming....NEW TO MY 97 GC...
Your shocks and springs would have to be beyond worn out to be the cause of the DW, but worn out shocks cause worn out bushings, and those can cause the DW. The RCX kit for the grand Cherokee is a decent set up. I ran it on my 96 XJ years ago, and was happy with it. Personally I am not a fan of their shocks though. For the GC, I recommend Bilsteins... much better ride and last longer. JMO. Congrats on the jeep, and welcome to the family. If you ever need any advice, let me know. My email is in most of the video descriptions.
When Check for loose joints. Can this be done while on the ground or do I need a LIFT. I love your advice.. the harder part is suggesting to a mechanic that you might know a little more then he/she. Thanks again... New Subcriber here!
You can check them on the ground, would recommend a jack and a set if jack stands. It's best to relieve the weight on the front end to check for play... if any seem loose while on the ground though, definitely have an issue. Lol. And your right, most mechanics are like that. But don't sweat it, not all of us are. 😉
I have a 2004 WJ with about 3" of lift and 32" tires. I've replaced literally everything in the front end and it still has the death wobble. I've tried setting toe like you showed and even on the inside edge of tolerance with no change. The only weak spot I think I might have is I used Moog stock replacement upper control arms. Even though everything feels tight I get a rattle over bumps and if I hit a bump over 50 it shakes like hell. Is it possible that the stock style bushings in those upper arms just can't handle the lift and bigger tires?
I have a question as to I am chasing a ghost it seems on my 2022 gladiator. In your video of “ the secret to the cure”. When you went to do “ the trick “ I noticed when you changed the first reading to the outermost limit that you done so by the drag link. Then you adjust the other side toe reading with the tie rod end ? Is there a reason for that ? And if so, after that if your steering wheel is not centered how would you adjust it ? Because ultimately in order to straighten the steering wheel back up would you not do so by the drag link ? Which would then change that first measurement reading you fixed ? Great video, just trying to figure this out on my vehicle. And so far...I’m chasing a ghost it seems. And mine started at only around 10,000 ish miles on the vehicle.
Okay, two things. First, be sure you have the steel steering gear box and not the aluminum one. There is an open TSB from FCA on the JL and the JT for the gear box replacement. Second... to adjust the vehicle correctly on the alignment rack, the steering wheel is locked with a tool in the straight position. You adjust the drag link to set toe on the right front wheel, and the tie rod to set the toe for the left.... IF it is a factory setup. Once done, the steering wheel will still be straight. However, if it is not, if you adjust the drag link outside of the alignment plates, like on the pavement, the only part it will turn is the steering wheel as the tie rod itself holds the toe between the wheels. The reason I start with the drag link and not solely a tie rod adjustment is to ensure the steering wheel remains straight, there for using the right front wheel as the reference to adjust the left front wheel. 😉 if that makes sense.
Send me an email at Yasmarproductions@gmail.com and I will sent you a clear picture of the final results that just about any shop will understand. 😉
I had 35” tires on my jeep and then I took them off to get back my fuel Econ while I was doing some long distance travelling, after doing so and putting back the stock tires my gladiator came with I noticed the death wobble.
Would these steps still work to eliminate the issue?
Wish you were in florida
Great video. Thanks.
Where in Las Vegas is the shop at?
Trying to get the name of your shop.
Would drive that way just to have you tweak my Gladiator.
Showed the guys here in town your video but the still set it centered
Email me at
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Will does cause any damage to tire wear?
Mine is a 2020 wrangler with 30.000 miles and I just noticed yesterday a wable on the freeway thought a was loose tire and and mine is not lifted it is stock what could be wrong?
Sorry i am in Gorman Texas i have a jeep 2002 grand Cherokee WJ. I have no problem on the road jeep runs good with a true 2" lift
My son is a alignment tech at Moritz in Fort Worth he has replaced most of the parts and done the adjustment on his machine at work i have driven 30.000 MILES WITH NO ISSUE i crossed some railroad tracks a couple of weeks ago at 45 mph and the jeep went crazy i pulled over to a stop and have not had an issue sense ANOTHER 3.000 MILES WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST
Thanks
Dealing with it now. 😭
What brand is your front bumper?