Fixing The Family Van! Chrysler 3.6L Pentastar V6 Engine Assembly Part 1 (Addressing Known Faults)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Sorry about the delay!!
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Previous videos on this Van:
1. • Towed In! Died on High...
2. • BIG PROBLEM! Perfect S...
Ray and I have combined our efforts in helping out the Tosi family with their van.
Their 2011 Chrysler Town & Country overheated catastrophically leaving them with just one vehicle. After some careful consideration with Ray, we decided the best thing to do would be fixing a good core engine I had on the shelf and installing it into their van at no cost. Since I've got the engine apart, we're taking care of all of the known problems with these engines which will be detailed in these videos.
Why am I doing this? My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage business and part of our model includes dismantling blown up or bad engines and selling the parts that are still good. We do not rebuild engines, merely supply parts to those who do. This is a special case where I can use parts from a previous teardown and an engine without major issues to build one good engine. Not something I do often!
I really hope you enjoyed this video and if you'd like to see the progress on this engine please subscribe to this channel and Rainmanrays channel as the entire process will be shared across both channels.
As always I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism. Catch you on the next one!
-Eric
sorry
I had to play the video backwards.
Ha Ha Ha 👍😉
😂😂😂
The most careful disassemble ever hehe
This!
Hahahaha best comment !
The revenge of the water pump will be epic as it crawls out of the box to be placed back in this engine.
spoilers ffs
Zombie pump arises from pump cemetery
Run that in reverse!
Considering that box says "only good water pumps", I suspect that box is destine for a rebuilder as cores(i.e. no damaged/destroyed pumps that can't be rebuilt) or there is a seller of used water pumps out there that buys them in bulk.
"Night of the Living Water Pumps!"
Obviously, to make this a real I Do Cars video, we need to watch it backwards so he's taking the engine apart... 😁
What, what! You’re not going to fight the oil dip stick or throw out a water pump? Maybe I’m on the wrong channel.
Going backwards in torque was wild
Time for a macro lens! My camera is Sony and my macro lens is Sigma. Absolutely love the close up details.
TTY bolts. The distain of all mechanics worldwide.
I’d recommend you double check the torque without an extension. An extension skews the actual torque specification.
I hope you replaced the internal oil filter housing. Metal will last a whole lot longer than plastic. My daughter had a 2011 town and country. Bad oil leak from hers.
You guys are awesome
This family is VERY lucky that u are building this engine because u are very O.C.D with ur craft and everything you do, thank you for doing this❤❤❤❤❤❤ GOOD KARMA coming ur way Eric ,+ 30 karma points lol
20:55 Wait......what about getting oil in the cam cap bolt holes? Won't they get Loctited as well?
You forgot the RTV on the cyl head
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It's nice to see that there's some good still left in this world. No criticisms here only positive accolades and well wishes to you and Ray for stepping up and helping this family out.
Some engineer was on a crazy acid trip when coming up with that torque sequence
I've never heard of a torque angle before. Learned something new.
@@timradde4328 It´s something common on diesel engines, not on gas ones.
@@pdr5926Ray has an electronic angle wrench, he used it to rebuild a Chevy V8. I didn't know about them until he did it.
I think that the initial torque sequence is to preset the stretch on the bolts before final torquing.
@@timradde4328 A torque angle is usually used when the torque spec is higher than most torque wrenches support. The head bolts on my 3L inline 6 BMW from 2002 go for 40nm/29.5ft-lb and then 90 degrees twice. At the second 90 degrees stage, I could barely tighten them any further. I don't think a regular torque wrench goes up to the torque that they were secured at at the end of the whole process.
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Now that I think about it. Most, if not all head bolts get stretched when being torqued down. It could be that the torque reading is different when the bolt is starting to stretch and that torque degrees is a more precise way of measuring how tight a bolt is torqued down.
Lol no kidding!
Just remember Eric, when you get to the water pump, it goes on the engine, not in the recycle bin! :D
its a chrysler engine...might as well put it in the recycle bin already lol
What about the dip stick tube?
@@mikefoehr235 - No one checks their oil anyway, so don't bother! :D
Old school engine assembly with the angle meter.. You sir has earned my ultimate respect, on top of the huge respect for you and Ray to do this for the Tosi family.
Anyone watching this video, hit that thumbs up. Let the front page of RUclips influencers see what really matters!
@sc5015
Amen! Well stated, Eric is the best!
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Hats off to I DO CARS and RAINMAN RAYS for helping out the family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice work guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’re having a blast watching all these updates as a family. Thank you Eric!
Is this your engine for the van ??
Nice of you to help a family in need out.
Thanks for being a stand up guy and giving back.
The magnetic issue on the Cams I believe is more for if they are exposed to strong electromagnets that can add or neutralize magnetism but however my hats off to you for being super careful !
Very soft magnets there, which are unfortunately known to fail, though there are replacement magnet assemblies for them, but you need an alignment tool to get them in the right position and orientation.
@@SeanBZA At least you can reuse the cams instead of throwing them away!
@@SeanBZAThanks, I was looking for an answer to this question!
Depending on the ability of the magents to HOLD their factory "charge", gently setting them on a steel table won't "drain them" of magnetism. HOWEVER, strong impact can! Percussion failure of soft iron magnets is real.
Only hurt if they are exposed to other magnetic fields! The reluctor wheels that is! Engine builder here 5.3 gm ls style enginesm 5.7 hemis and 3.6 pentastars keep me in business!
I love what you're doing for that family.
I do too. So good of them and knowing the family really appreciates it too.
They proved that the auto repair business still has mechanics that are great and have the good heart .. helping a family in need is a nice thing to do
That's why shops that build engines have a permanent station with an engine holder mounted to it! Chasing a stand around is tiring! LOL
Not only did you help Ray and the TOSi family but schooled your viewers on putting the 3.6 pentastar together. One thing is why aren’t we putting the dorman aluminum oil cooler on it? Also I’m glad you checked them oil gully bolt under the phasers on the heads .they need thread locker on them they tend to vibrate loose .Thanks for your time God Bless You and Ray for such a good deed
Yes, I agree. Isn’t that the original plastic oil cooler that is prone to failure? Ray has replaced a few of these leaking oil coolers with the metal Dorman units on those engines.
I replaced my plastic oil cooler with an all aluminum one on my 3.6 pentastar after watching Rainman Rays episodes on it too!@dond.200
My son and I watch your teardown video each week together. It's our thing. He decided to surprise me with a piston and rod from one of those videos as a surprise Father's Day gift. I am delighted. Congrats to you for finding a way to sell these parts, make money, and make people happy, all at the same time!
The world needs more folk like you and Ray. Awesome thing you guys are doing.
I remember. Since watching the previous video, our prayers have been with the Tosi family. One of our own young daughters is battling Leukemia and every day is a struggle and a blessing (she is the 3rd of our 5 daughters and her name is Kyla).. Treatment cost is staggering and many blessings to you and Ray for the giving of your talents. The bible says that your gift will make room for you and it certainly has right here. God bless you and Ray!
Praying for Kyla
@@charleshendrix3820 Amen
Kyla and your whole family will be in my thoughts and prayers, thank you for telling us. Love from Rick
Thanks Rick. We need your prayers as well as the Tosi family. Love you too brother!
Adding Kyla to my prayer list too. 🙏🏻
Eric, please stand on the back of the engine stand so it doesn't try to walk away from you!
The assembly will not tip over using this method as well. Kudos for helping Ray and this downtrodden family.
Another suggestion to stop the engine stand moving around is to strap it tightly to your shelving if it is bolted down or to the side of the forklift. Either way something solid mounted or too heavy to move by hand.
Eric it is nice to see people like you out there who will help people in these days and times that are struggling just to get by. Ray also thank you for your part in what you have done to help this family and get their van back in running conditions. I wish that there were more people like you two out there that would ((help thy neighbor)) without asking for anything in return. May the Lord Bless You two and be gracious unto you two. Amen.
You and Ray are the best. This is the best thing you and Ray could do for them. Some of the best "real" channels on RUclips.
Eric - thanks for doing this, for the Tosi family and for Ray. Also PLEASE thank your wife and family for allowing you the time to do this! Your kindness and generosity is duly noted. I Do Cars fans love the weekly "malice in the combustion palace" and "piston nuggets", but it's great to see you do something constructive for a change ;)
While seeing you constantly dirty from disassembly of engines its quite unnerving watching you working on something that's doesn't have a spec of dirt anywhere and non on yourself......well done my friend
Great collaboration with Rainman Ray to fix this minivan! The 1980’s 2.2 liter turbos required the removal of the head when the turbocharger oil seal failed. There was an angle requirement on those head studs too. Mopar performance offered studs to replace the torque to yield bolts.
Soon as I saw the tag line on screen, I wondered if you had possibly negated the cam sensor wheel! Watching Ray recently where either he or Dave did something very similar and replaced the cams. Kudos to BOTH channels for putting it on camera, respect is gained for owning mistakes and educating us plebs in what NOT to do! Thanks guys, appreciated greatly.
This will be the best damn Pentastar ever
What you and Ray are doing for this family is a absolutely wonderful thing. Helping a family that needs a vehicle and not asking for anything in return you guy's are this family's angels
Man the head bolt torquing sequence is wild, a total workout for the brain and muscles!
I also like your assembly videos ❤🙂
Assembly? On this channel? Preposterous I say!😂😂😂
Change that oil cooler for the aluminum unit. And crank it for 30 seconds before you start it. It will clatter loudly if you don’t. Collapsed/weak lifters will destroy rockers. My jeep just lost the seal on that oil cooler 750 miles from home. That was fun.
Oh. My jeep only has 65,000 on it.
Yep put the Dorman metal one on. If you don't, Ray will anyways :)
I tried doing rockers on one of these in the car, without removing the chains, 2016 model, should be able to pop them in and pop the out, ended up bending every valve..come to find out they make a tool..lol
I'm sure it has been mentioned, but... Respectively - with a title that includes Addressing Known Faults, I was expecting to see a metal oil cooler/filter assembly going on in place of the problematic plastic stock unit. Hats off to you and Ray for doing this, though.
Perhaps such important details are mere minor footnotes in the world of "optics"?
For the oil cooler,
Replace it with an after market unit. No leaks in 40 miles.
Above all. You rock for helping a family in need. I hope you do well and reap the benefits. Be safe honest and funny.
How many people just wack the head bolts down with various torque stix. 😂
Two ugga-duggas is the proper torque spec when building without a torque wrench - or if you just don't give AF! ----> SEND IT! 😅😅👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔩🔧
That torque sequence really shows the value of the insanely expensive machine at the factory that lowers down, makes whirring sounds, and lifts up leaving a "perfectly" torqued cylinder head.
Watching your video, I’m feeling like a need to build a engine,
Built many over the years but been, a few years.
It’s such a great feeling after you you have built a brand new, better than oem, and hearing it run, for years it’s satisfying, knowing you have done everything possible thing right, and it continues to preform better than a new oem engine.
Cleanliness is godliness!!
Did an almost complete ground-up rebuild on my 3.5 Ecoboost in my 2011 F150. Bad metallurgy in the crank snout caused the timing chain pin hole to waller out and break the timing gear. Super weird failure condition; I could not find anybody else in the country experience a similar failure with that motor. Fortunately the failure was at low RPM and low engine load, so the valves were completely spared, Praise the Lord. New crank, cam phasers, bearings, flex plate, complete timing system, head gaskets, all sensors, etc. etc. etc.. It was my first “big” engine project and I had a very good friend who is an ASE mechanic and engine teacher at a local technical college walk me through it all. Was SOOOO nervous to hit the key for the first time, but once the fuel system primed (new injectors too) it started up and purrrrrrrred. That engine has never run so silky smooth and quiet. Nearly 20,000 miles on the job, and counting, and I drive it every day with confidence.
While doing the mandatory pentastar 3.6 rocker repairs I layed a flashlight with the strong magnetic base right on the camshaft trigger wheel. I knew better but had a brain fart. Motor runs just fine though.
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I appreciate the time you put into editing your videos, especially to make all of the torque clicks back to back, same when you are disassembling an engine with the squeaks and creaks, that takes more time than people would think… Thank you for making great videos!!!!
Who knew Eric had so many cats...? Maybe he secretly has a hundred cats in his house? I've never seen so many kitty litter pails. At least he changes their litter.
I think he's got more cats than me and I have 9 of em
Your a good man Eric.. i watch ray's channel as well.. you and Ray Are the definition of what this world needs thank you for all your good will and deeds
Thank you (and Ray) for your generosity. The world needs more of this kind of care for their neighbors.
I'm glad to see that you are going out of your way to help someone who really needs it. I really enjoyed this video. Can't wait for part 2!
I know why the head gaskets are different prices!! Just did an engine replacement on a Jeep Wrangler with the same engine, because the left bank blows gaskets like it's going out of fad.
Very good luck on the build for the family. I say this, because my shop ended up doing the engine swap after the new head on the old block (new right from the CDJR dealer) swallowed a broken intake valve. Many *many* hours lost on that one. Thankfully our dealer gave us a deal on the replacement motor because of the valve failure on the (previously new) heads from them.
That's rough! Brand new heads right out of the crate and it just decided to grenade itself. What are the odds!😥
I would have updated the plastic oil cooler/oil filter housing assembly with the all aluminum one that Dormam sells. The plastic housings go bad after 100,000 miles.
I would agree. But we have been seeing them all metal Dorman leak as well. Dorman actually stop selling them. And now they have an update version out now. I dunno .. time will tell. Eric is a good dude. I don’t care what Blue says about him. lol
Dorman’s QC could use some help as well.
Nonsense! They're supposed to be the ones helping you.😆
First I would like to say what you folks are doing for that family is so commendable! Beautiful gesture of humanity. I would like to comment on the oil filter housing / oil cooler. The factory (and more than likely aftermarket as well) plastic part is a known failure item, hot antifreeze combined with hot oil does not play nice with plastic. I repaired a Jeep Wrangler with the same set up that had a massive coolant leak due to this. They (aftermarket) make an updated cast Aluminum part that is far superior for this application.
That head bolt torque sequence was the dipstick battle this time 😂
You are so kind and your good karma will come back tenfold!
Very admirable project. Good for you guys.
I don't get the logic behind loosening the bolts after they have been torqued to angle the first time then loosening and doing it over again. Seems to add an unnecessary chance of compromising the gasket or head flatness
What a nice change of pace, seeing an engine being assembled and for a worthy cause, to boot. I look forward to see the timing set and the assembly completed. If I could give this video more than one like, I would.
any pros want to explain the purpose of loosening the head bolts and torquing them back?
to make sure the bolts are properly stretched. the bolts will relax some after the first pass.
I've never heard of that either. I guess to pre-stretch them? Seemed odd.
@@philsonnenberg6092 Interesting.
I had thought it was to get the bolt threads bearing evenly on the bolt hole threads so the torque values were more accurate.
@@alflyover4413 seems there are actually 2 reasons for the double torque. One is to assure the bolts are properly stretched and 2 it seems the threads in the block could become damaged if full torque is applied to unstretched bolts. its a PentaStar thing. go figure.
Oh fun! (sarcasm). Torque specs (yaw). Dry steel on dry steel, torque to XX. No matter how many times, it is the same clamping force. Aluminium alloys require more threads engaged to hold the same force, BUT aluminium "creeps" (relaxes over time). Tighten, loosen, retighten, stretch the bolt by ANGLE, not by turning force!
Steel inserts are steel nuts, same as tapped holes in steel/iron (simple turning effort is enough) until your wrench goes "off the scale"!
Ive been wondering when this great project was going to show 👍 Question from a non car engineer. When you set up TDC on num 1 before putting heads and cams on, does it matter which TDC you use or doesn't it matter being 360 out. 🤔
Technically, this is the correct video for a channel named I Do Cars. Teardowns should be on a channel called I Undo Cars.
did ya put atv on top of pistons, so it starts automatically.. theres so many people in hardship.. it shouldnt happen.. humans are going backwards, not advancing. but, thats what the gov wants.. i help anyone i can, but its only token, drop in ocean.. lots of people have talents that are never recognised.. waste of life.. i played this vid backwards too, but i got buffering at the head assembly..
"Now I have to loosen them and do a different sequence" WHAT?! 👽 I'm sure they do it the same at the engine factory right?
The head bolt nonsense was no doubt dreamed up by some over-educated, over-paid engineer with no experience, AKA, useless.
Should have put a hemi in the minivan. :D lol!!
its a good thing you both are doing for that family. :)
Cams would have been fine, takes quite a strong magnet to screw them up. Just a metal bench, no effect worth thinking about.
Replace the oil cooler with the dorman all aluminum, the oem plastic versions crack and leak
the head bolt tightening circus is to flatten and settle the mls gasket then retighten for max clamping force.. just imagine doing that crap with the engine in the vehicle!
What happened to the piston rings, and the bottom end. With over 120,000 miles, shouldn't they be done?
That is the strangest torque sequence for a cylinder head that I have ever seen. Pre-stress the bolts, loosen, and re-torque.
Weird - weird - weird!
Which leg were you standing on while torqueing ? Heaven's sake don't say left .
U shouldn't have to do the loosen and retorque if u are reusing an engine block supposedly that is for a new engine block
I was told there’d be inspection ports, forbidden glitter and cam crap cramming… I would like to speak to the manager.
No Blue
Blue, you're my boy. You're my boy, Blue.
Eric both you and Ray deserve a huge pat on the back and all the kudos both sets of subscribers can deliver.
For you guys to give this needy family back a much needed vehicle warms the cockles of my heart.
We need more you-tubers like you and ray, i am a long time watcher of you both i like your satirical humor and your warnings about changing your oil on a regular basis.
Keep up the outstanding work
Thank you, for your aweso.e content and contributions to this family
Holy shit! I cannot believe you bothered to go through all those toque sequences. What absolute nonsense!
Parts from RockAuto? Could you send me that refrigerator magnet?
They had a factory recall on one of the heads.😮😮😅😅😅 Chrysler just replaced the one head ❤
Thank you for being a good human being. your kindness will not go unnoticed.
to be precise to head bolts should be torqued to two grunts and a fart
That is the precise procedure to be released in the 2025 service manual revision, you can bet.
That bent spark plug tube on the rear bank is bothering me way more than it should.
The bent spark plug tube on the middle of the right head is bugging me, also.
That has to be the DUMBEST head bolt torque sequence I've ever seen.
I think it be cool if he took apart an engine that was purposely seized by the liquid glass they used in cash for clunkers.
I am making this donation to help move this project forward!! It excites me to see people selflessly helping people who really need it.
Thanks so much!
@@I_Do_Cars You're welcome Eric :).
I found you because I watch Raiman Ray's channel. What you and Ray are doing is "awesome to the max" - showing my age now LOL. But if more people of the world would do what you two gentlemen are doing, it would be a better world. It's an old cliché I know, but it is also the truth. We all need to try and help our fellow "man" , it would be a better world and make us better people. Bless you sir and bless Ray.
According to the FSM, the loosen and retighten is only needed for a new block. For a used block, it says to only do the four step tightening sequence.
On behalf of the family you, and Ray are helping, TYVM!! For a large family, or one with a disabled person, a van is mandatory.
Nice!! Gotta do more of these!
Charity case sounded too harsh Eric, try using the words "a favour or good deed"
Would assembly lube be a better choice for the cam journals?
The oil cooler should be replaced if they want this engine to last
I enjoy your videos not so much for the carnage (though that might sometimes be interesting). Really, I enjoy learning about different engines, their various signs and symptoms of failures and the post-mortem analysis of what might have happened to cause the death of the enginu.
The manufacturer specifying to not put any oil on the threads is probably for a reason
Torque angle is a new one to me.
In civil engineering, torque angle is sometimes preferred because it doesn't require a torque wrench.
Some head bolts engineered to stretch
Strangely enough, I've done my own work on my cars for 20 years and only last week was the first time I ever had to use it!
Chase the threads in head bolt holes. Light on on bolts before torque. Oil on bearing surfaces. I think you did a good job overall and enjoy your channel.
I think the engineers were just doing a long game prank on people. Maybe had an over under bet for how many people would do that whole ridiculous sequence.
Absolutely. We're being mocked. How so few can see this is beyond human comprehension.
I swear the tightening of the head bolts was some master engine builder's training technique! "Wax on, wax off. Wax on, wax off. 22 lb ft, 33 lb ft. 125 degrees, 130 degrees."
Daniel son show me paint the fence. lol lol
Can he build it? Probably can’t. Jk
You and Rainman Ray are the absolute best. What a great thing you two are doing. Absolute class.
should also use the $ from these videos to help go to gas for them as well. that is any profit from the videos. after u count in shipping and everything. not sure what you make on youtube videos not even sure if it is profitable after spending so much on everything already.
Interesting that people like to butt in and state what others “should do”. When you do something nice for someone else, I hope nobody comes along to say that you should have done more.
Torque sequence that resembles a rain dance.
Cams that can't touch metal.
Is this an engine build or a magic spell?
Careful, threre... If you only knew...
Im a Toyota 3.5 guy, my mom has one of these 3.6 Pentastars and has had fairly ok luck with them besides the Cylinder Rocker arm valve guide issue these apparently suffer from. But hasn't had the Faulty oil pressure switch issue, ignition coils water pump timing chain tensioner, or exhaust manifold cracks, but the 2012 Town and Country has had the issue with Fuel delivery, needing the fuel pump Relay fuse Bypass. Which i did personally and worked flawlessly thus far. Other than an Alternator this vehicle hasn't left her Stranded since she has gotten it in 2014. Suprise Suprise for a Chrysler product ehh? They must have did alittle something right with these motors even Dead Dodge Garage appreciates their reliability. Cheers
3.5 YOTA is bulletproof. It’ll run til the body falls off the thing.