Microsoft FINALLY did it…
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- The new Surface Pro and Surface Laptop for 2024 are SERIOUS COMPETITION for the MacBook. But how good can they really be?
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So if price is what concerns you about the surface pro accessories. Keep in mind that the base one is $999 and can use older, cheaper, type covers and pens. As opposed to the m4 iPad, which needs a new keyboard and pen. So you can get a surface pro 11 with a type cover and pen for cheaper than the base m4 iPad Pro 13 inch (without any accessories) with much better software functionality and double the ram
I mean, most reviewers glaze apple
@@christianr.5868 Also you can get the Lenovo Slim 7x with Snapdragon Elite 32Gb memory with 1tb of storage for less than 1400, best value elite by far.
Can’t compare them. Also buying the last M4 Pro big iPad doesn’t make sense for 95% of the users as iPad Air it’s good enough already for what iPadOS can do. For similar money you can buy Macbook Air.
Coming back to Surface and iPad Pro. Surface it’s a medium tablet and a medium laptop replacement. iPads are excellent tablets but they aren’t laptop replacement.
@@liviurosca my point still stands. If you only get an iPad. You’re gonna run into “you need a Mac for that” very often. I know because I’ve been daily driving an iPad for the last 6 years because I’m an artist and I wanted to use it for art. I got it because I was naive and assumed that when they put the m1 in it, they’d want to make it more capable as a computer. But apple just wants to sell you two devices, and that’s that. The surface pro, while not the best tablet, or best laptop. Is still capable of being both. Where the iPad is artificially restricted, and you would need an entire other device to get the functionality of the surface pro. And it wouldn’t be near as seamless
@@christianr.5868Well said.
bro you remind me of the guy in the chair from the new spiderman movies...
The main reason I would want to use a Windows device is driver and program compatibility, and when you switch the architecture from x86 to arm, you loose that. Microsoft is just dipping their toes into the water with arm as they are still mostly x86 based. When Apple switched to arm, the didn't take half measures, they dragged everyone kicking and screaming over whether they liked it or not. Good for future compatibility, less good if you had something that worked and just wanted to keep doing that. When people develop for windows they will either have to choose one version to support, support both at a higher cost, or rely on the translation layer or emulation. Unless Microsoft nails the translation layer, windows on arm will just be the equivalent of an over priced Chrome book.
real but if you want compatibility just get surface 9, this surface is mostly used for the ability of arm based architecture to have huge battery capabilities and comparing it to Chromebook undersells the hardware performance of it. I actually have a surface pro 11, and is it somewhat limited but in the future emulation will only get better and better. It obviously arm is the future so thats why windows is going forward with it.
@@sso7968 There are some really powerful Chromebooks out there and there's actually a ton that you can do on Chrome OS that you didn't used to be able to do, so the comparison is less of a stretch than you seem to think. But yeah, battery is a huge selling point for arm. How are you liking the surface?? I've only heard opinions from tech RUclipsrs and one person I know IRL who uses one of the older x86 surfaces for work.
@njnjco well it has been a while since I've used chrome OS and a Chromebook. and yeah I like it, but I mostly use it for convenient of its form factor of as its a 2-1 and running windows 11, but the driver incompatibility is a real reason not to get it as you said. I had to spent time time researching which software I could use that are supported on arm. Since I already have other x86 windows computers I'm good. For the most basic office task, it'll work with some good emulation on some software. But theses things get hot like burning hot when uses for prolonged periods, fan something doesn't run and is kind of noisily and like in the video it does throttle, but I kind of solve by blasting an external fan at myself and it. I love the pen and its great as a note taking device. But beside that if you use if without the keyboard, it seems like windows 11 isn't really aiming for customers who use it like an iPad basically a lot of issue with it closing out of chrome or whatever your on, but that a whole another issue. yeah thats about it :)
No offense, but have you used Windows for ARM? I have on my Mac of all places and it runs just fine for emulation. It also work just fine for what most people do on their laptops to be real. The more popular it is the les worry in the first place. Plus, we're talking laptops. What most people care about is battery life and lightweight productivity tasks, and browsing the web.
All those things can be done very well in ways not even Mac ipads can do. The benefit of the surfaces is being able to be a true hybrid device unlike Apple that requires you to have 2 different devices to try and do what the surface already does. Having already run Windows for ARM for a while now, I can confidently say it runs what most already want well and has added benefits. It only helps computing overall for windows to do this as it will help all 3 major OS's as devs Duke it out to support it.
@@kerrydaniels8460 I haven't used Windows on arm, no. I have used Wine on Linux and MacOS, so I'm familiar with what is and is not possible with a translation layer. Both when translating from x86 windows to x86 linux and from x86 windows to arm based MacOS. I agree that battery life is important, that's why I got a MacBook. A lot of people are happy so long as their device has a web browser, but for a lot of others, if the one program that they need for work or in order to do one specific thing cannot be translated or emulated, that's a deal breaker. Even if absolutely everything is better on arm based Windows, if the one thing they really need isn't covered, it's a non starter. A lot of people are stuck on an OS because of this. I know that there are a lot of benefits to arm, but it's not for everyone.
I like how denki reviews his tech.
Definitely not gonna buy the first ever arm generation, but can absolutely see myself buying an arm laptop after a few generations
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this prism emulator can run on Surface Pro X?
you can buy only the keyboard without the pen for 140
I ordered both surface pro and laptop but the laptop is just way more practical for day to day use
Will MediaTek come into this market too?
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This is a much better video than Austin's well done 😃😃😃
Isn't this guy spiderman's friend?
Thanks for your nice quality of video
idk if u can help me but I need a good gaming monitor 1440p 144hz which I can use at the same time like some monitors only support 120hz OR 1440p on Xbox would be nice if u could help me out I also need a setting where I can custimise my screen 16:8 for an example
OMG, someone other than Samsung finally docks the stylus someplace other than the edge of the tablet. I actually emailed MS about that when the SP4 was out. I also suggested a flat sided stylus to make it easier to find the buttons without looking. Not that they'd listen, but nice to see it finally. GO MICROSOFT! 🥳
Man that Gold Surface Laptop look gorgeous
I hope this ones has much QC than older surfaces, my old pro 7 didn't even last a year
Did you drop it?
@@bradavon no, one day it just won't open so I sent in for local repairs, confirmation was overheating which led to lcd issues, and I didn't even play any steam games on it
It's not good enough to play all games on.
This competition is wonderful! I can’t wait for the M4 to show up in laptops because I feel as if the improvements from M3-M4 is much more significant than people are giving it credit for. I have the binned 9-core version with only 3 performance cores, and it outperforms the highest end X-Elite chip with 12 performance cores in almost all tasks (obviously I can’t run a Cinebench test and there are just certain programs that wont work on iPad OS), and this is not even getting into the graphics performance as well as the fact that I am averaging about 14 hours of battery life in a fan less 5.1mm design. Now, software and OS are incredibly important and anyone who is an honest tech enthusiast can understand why certain people need to exist within certain ecosystems for their work, as well as just what they prefer when it comes to things like UI. With all of that said, I just love the fact that Windows users are finally getting to experience powerful ARM-based portable computing. It really is wonderful, and the innovation that comes with it will only continue to increase as more and more people have access to its specific benefits.
It wins in single core benchmarks and loses in multi-core benchmarks. Don't forget that this is Gen 1 for Snapdragon and will be improved on Gen 2 and so on.
Hope the sleep-wake issue with windows gets fixed. Random waking tanks battery life on x86 based ones.
This isn't a Windows issue but a your device issue. Never had this in 30 years.
That's why hibernate is a superior alternative to sleep.
@@bradavon No, it is very much a Windows issue. The issue is with Modern Standby, and is pretty well documented at this point.
@@isaiahfuller670 The main reason why i returned my surface pro. closed the lid the night before and put in my bag...like i would do with my macbook air. Opened the next day at work to a hot bag and dead battery. Only way to combat this in a windows machine is to power it down completely.
@@bradavon the problem never happens to me so it must just be you. That is how dumb you sound 🤣 😂 and for the record it's a very well documented problem that affects many people me included
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The point of me switching to Windows years ago was the compatibility with various programs/applications. This kills the point of Windows for me. The only reason I ever consider Apple is due to the battery life(and the fact that nowadays, all the apps I work with are actually compatible with Apple). So this ARM Windows chips are useless for me.
Weally?
ARM joke was actually fire ngl
YES
Still lots of compatibility and gaming issues
It's not a gaming device. Updates down the road will fix compatibility issues. Remember, Apple had the same problem when they switched to ARM.
what are you saying? lol. They said it was a MacBook killer. If needs to be able to do more than MacBooks and they also said it would kill x86 machines but many games won’t even run on snapdragon and many apps are still not available. They can’t make promise on future software releases when they promoted it as ready to beat MacBook and x86 machines. It’s been a flop, yes better battery efficiency, better than some x86 laptops but it has a long way to go to be able to even replace x86 and farther away from competing with MacBooks
I do miss the pen on the laptop
I'm mainly use windows for watching 4k youtube videos, only 4k gaming, nothing less than 4k gaming, overclocking the cpu and gpu with msi after burner, overclocking the ram in the bios, ripping my 4k, blu ray, dvd movies in uncompressed iso video formats only, 16 bit 44.1 khz wav and dsd hi res sacd. When it comes to multimedia, I'm all about 4k for video games and movies and for music, cd quality at the bare minimum and hi res audio at the highest resolution with the sacd format. I also even use bluestacks to run android apps and run android in native 4k resolution. There is also emulating retro games as well as emulating nintendo switch emulator for android. I have the physical copy of crysis remastered for my nintendo switch. I'm still looking for a nintendo switch emulator for android to download the crysis remastered nintendo switch rom to play on android. Android has the winlator emulator for playing skyrim locally on android not thru the cloud when the games are purchased from gog games since gog games are drm free. I sideload apk android apps like the modded version of youtube to bypass the ads and bypass the sponsors.
most of the problem are 3rd party hardware, some banker have USB card reader with drivers only support for standard x86
who in their right mind would pay over 1,5k for casual use? for casual use sub 400€ could work very well
😂😂😂 all this "Bing" shoved down our throats 😂😂😂 nice Pun
Things that went well for the Surface Pro 11 and Surface Laptop 7:
- Starting with 16GB of RAM as the base model.
- 2nd best battery life next to MacBooks. Between 12 to 18 hours of max battery life.
- Excellent CPU performance.
- Fastest RAM speed in the industry. Yes, faster than the M3 Max.
- Adjustable micro-SSD (M.2 2230)
- Good for office work.
- Good for Data analysis work. Not to be confused with Data science. Python, R, Excel, Power BI, VS Code, and VS community work.
- Good for photo editing. Adobe Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop work well.
The bad:
- Old printers and some new ones do not have drivers for Windows on ARM. This is the biggest issue for me.
- Horrible for gaming.
- Most video editing software either doesn't work or is horrible when it does. This includes Davinci Resolve and most Adobe Premier.
- $400+ for the new keyboard on the Surface Pro 11. You can buy an older and less expensive keyboard, but it won't have those elite features.
have you tried playing genshin on it?
I HOPE Microsoft doesn't "iron out" issues with anti cheat software so we can move on from kernel level anti cheat nonsense.
you need a new Yuki hat ;)
excited but windows 11 is really one of the biggest negatives with the many concerns😅
@@davetherebel278 why are you so upset about windows 11. It's a good OS. For me it's better than macos
switching to linux for the past 6 years no ia and no tracking your information is the best thing .is free,more modern et open source. i am using manjaro gnome on my dell g5 i7 10gen 3060rtx 16gb. i have manjaro on my very old laptop dell 1710 vostro core 2 duo it work good. linux make old pc work better. it make them last longer
Even ken’s channel has become money minded like austin’s. Just do an ad at this point, that will probably be more honest.
I have a Surface Pro, and an HP Elite X2.. (same gen intel, 16GB RAM) The Elite X2 feels better.. 💀
The Surfaec Pro has obviously always beaten the MacBook, if that's the form factor you want. Its a silly comparison, they're not even the same type of device.
450 bucks for a keyboard/trackpad/powerbank combo is just insane and shows that microsoft is chasing apples luxury status, which I only can comment with: F U Micro$oft.
sometimes i wish they stop trying to be apple...this is the best time to win the customers...even more by going more for less
@@jaughnekow ... what do you expect tho its they are a company, but my bank accounts isn't not very happy.
If they had swappable batteries, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Does any laptop have swappable batteries? I'm sure no laptop with a design this good, this thin and this beautifull can do that. Impossible.
@@vidpetrovic8907 We used to have swappable batteries in older laptops. Considering the location of the battery and advances in technology, making a removable battery is entirely possible.
What is it with people and their fascination with removable batteries... get over it.
@@willbuschmann Maybe it's because having a removable battery means I can have a second, already charged battery ready to go. No worrying about having to haul around more stuff to lose (Charging cables/power brick), or trying to find an available power port in public (School/Airport/etc.) Pop out the depleted battery, pop in the full one, and keep going until the end of the day. Then when you get back home, simply plug in the depleted battery to a charger and you're good to go for tomorrow. So if it means that I have less clutter jangling around in my bag, and don't have to worry about charging in the middle of class/work, then I'll take removable batteries any day of the week.
@@vidpetrovic8907 They used to. I believe that a thin laptop can have a detachable battery for fast swapping. Instead of burying it in the middle of the device where it can balloon and kill the rest of the system, simply have it on the back panel where it can pop out like a Nintendo Switch Cartridge or have it be part of the back panel. Then you don't lose any of the aesthetics, or the functionality of the laptop. On top of that, you wouldn't need to worry about trying to find a power outlet in the middle of class/work. The only downside to swappable batteries in older laptops and phones was a loss of water resistance, but we've come far enough in technology where it can be mitigated.
It would be unlikely for me to ever recommend a Surface Pro to someone. I have had five of them due to use cases that I need them for and all five do not last. The reliability of the product is some of the worst I have ever experienced in the computer industry in 30 years of being in the computer industry. Every single one of the five have had some form of problem that is not necessarily game ending but definitely game changing. From the touch screen breaking and not working to battery life going to next to nothing to chargers dying over and over again stock chargers not aftermarket chargers two displays having dead pixels to overheating problems and I could go on. In perspective I have owned 6 MacBook pros of the six only two have ever had problems 3 lasted 7 years before I sold them with no problems whatsoever. Think about that obviously this is not statistically valid I understand that but all the surface pros I have ever owned have had significant debilitating problems of the MacBook pros I've had only a couple that is not good period
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Snapdragon X Elite 🔋🔋💪
Can it play Crysis? I find the Surface Pro 9 to be the best purchase decision ever (on sales) because I can still play anti-cheat games, smooth drivers plug and play, emulation, external gpu etc xD. To me (nerd) the current gen surface is MUCH MORE of a downgrade than an upgrade (compatibility issue, beta apps, drivers issues, lots of issue that can BREAK your workflow).For long battery life, it is all due to OS optimization, this arm based os able to archieve long battery life is because the OS dont have lots of crap in their background service. The x86 chip still have service from 1980 that still run in the background (not to mention on x86 program that is havent optimize for 2024 laptop) for god sake... I'm still baffled by their marketing team's oversight in not recognizing the strong sales of their x86 chips compared to ARM chips before introducing the ARM chip only in the next version. It seems like a missed opportunity on their part.
Wow! This version of Surface comes with AI! It's like that time when they started adding NFTs to video games! I'm so excited!
That was sarcasm. I couldn't care less about NFTs or AI.
Heck no 😂
hwo the hell cheating on fall guys 😂
Personally have zero interest in these Snapdragon laptops or anything AI period. Sadly AI is being forced on us and will eventually be in every electronic one way or another. I like the Surface products in general, but can't justify the prices. Im one of the few that refuses to purchase Apple products though for a similar reason, as they are ridiculously expensive and can't stand their OS. So I'll stick to budget Acer laptops for basic tasks that i need when on the go. They typically cost about 1/3rd the price of a Surface or Apple and still get 3 years or so of quality life. I even have a bulky very low end Acer Nitro "gaming" laptop thats 6 years old and still works fine....wont play any new AAA games but has no problem with CSGO or even GTA, for killing time.
The arms length gaming joke was actually brilliant
Wish Apple would treat the iPad and MacBook the way Microsoft treats the Surface line-up and give the same specs/software capabilities to both rather than gimping the iPad to avoid cannibalisation
It's garbage. Quit coping.
Not everyone games and only a small portion of pc users game and yet some reviewers can't just get the fact that these aren't gaming PCs.
early comment!
yooo I'm so early
Dam so rocket league isnt capable in this thing ?
why is pepe running a youtube channel?
Apple used to be so far ahead.
Not anymore.
U and Austin are doing the same content
Properly it comes with the ad package
So what's the problem? Linus Tech Tips sometimes make the same video as MKBHD. Unbox Therapy also makes the same content as Mrwhosetheboss sometimes.
Oh no denki is reviewing a new laptop on a tech channel
I think he means more like intonation
@@renofumi28 LTT doesn't make same videos as MKBHD neither does mrwhosetheboss. What are you talking about
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