The Darth Plagueis story is one of my favorite scenes in Star Wars. Most of why I like it is that everybody seems to take it at face value when the whole point of the scene is Palpatine manipulating Anakin with the promise of power to keep those he loves from dying. We have no idea how much of it is true and how much of it is false. Most people assume that Plagueis is Palpatine's master, and indeed the extended universe confirms this, but if your only experience with Star Wars is with the movies, it is just as likely that Plagueis was a Sith Lord from centuries before Palpatine was born or that Plagueis never existed and was simply a character Palpatine created as a hypothetical disguised as a historical figure or that Plagueis was indeed Palpatine's master but the whole "using Midi-Chlorians to create life" was something completely made up. This is especially true if it is "not a story the Jedi would tell you", so there's also no way to fact-check what Palpatine says. In the movies, everything that we know about Plagueis comes from the mouth of a manipulator doing everything in his power to claim Anakin as an asset for his rise to power and so everything said must be taken with a grain of salt.
The ultimate unreliable narrator. I especially like how the story implies a dualism between the light and dark side, which is an idea that dwells in the real world. The jedi didn't have to be wiped out so that when the sith die there would be "balance" in terms of light side users (even though Luke's survival would undermine that theory). Instead since many sith were drawn from the jedi there was probably some flaw in the jedi teachings that would risk adherents falling to the dark side, so in order to have a clear opportunity the jedi needed their fourty years in the desert so a child, trained in the ultimate and archetypal circumstance for the Jedi Knight, could have an opportunity to raise the next generation that would be focused on doing Good over any particular political benefit. That's also a reason why I don't really like any of the star wars sequels (even the expanded universe). Since they always feel the need to include Luke and all the OT trappings they inevitably corrupt the win in episode 6. A Proper sequel that would carry the essence of Star Wars would have to be set much later on in time, at least a few hundred years (or it would feel off).
What I like even more about this story: This movie shows us E.T.’s exist in Star Wars. Not entirely surprising as E.T. Recognizes a Yoda figure. But the attributes that Palpatine tells us about are exactly the same as the one’s E.T. Shows. ET even revives a plant in front of our eyes, showing his power to keep things from death. E.T. Is Plagueis before the novel came out.
Loving the work and the depth of references you are using for the material. Thank you for taking the time to dive this deep into the history of Star Wars.
1,000 years without seeing a Sith. The Jedi Order is proof once a government program starts there is no getting rid of it. Hogwarts has the same problem of trying to expel people on some technicality. Leaving someone powerful with a grudge and no where to go. What are they going to do but become a menace to society? Although, I could see Anakin starting a garage, easily earning enough to buy his mother. Then start a chain of speeder service centers and now the Jedi are working for him. There has to be some sort of shields or force fields to keep rain, junk and people from raining down on the lower levels. That means there is no way Mace dies from getting thrown out a window.
I've seen some interesting scenarios, "what if the Rebels lost at Yavin" and such. Until this video, I'd never considered what Anakin would've done if the Jedi refused to train him. There's a lot of room for stories there. I can just imagine Ani letting a droid man the reception desk, so the customers don't find out how young he is. Or rigging up a robe an pair of lights, so he can pose as a Jawa. As for the lower levels, well. If you didn't want to experience acid rain, you should get out of the lower levels. Just don't be poor, then everything will be fine. -DZ
Mace would either go right through the shield or splat on it. Besides, his innards were cooked by Palpatine's Force Lightning. Throwing him out the window was the same as flicking a cigarette butt.
Interesting perspective on Qui-Gon and the Prophecy, however I think you're reading too much into it because of one crucial factor. If Jinn was these cunning chap who wanted to convince the Council to train Anakin he would have done everything as he did in the film- except for his last words to Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon may be cunning but he is ultimately supposed to be a good person, so his last words to Obi-Wan (the being he is closest to in the whole Galaxy), would not be a lie that Anakin is the Chosen One. He can insist to Obi-Wan that he must train Anakin sure, but no one would want their last words to be a lie
I think there can be a good middle ground regarding Anakin's father. There clearly was an unremarkable father, but his existence is a taboo due to his actions in the past, which is why Schmi pretends he doesn't exist (maybe he was a terrible man who left her or, considering she's a slave, she's a victim of assault and talking about the guy brings her bad memories). The Force didn't actually create life out of nowhere (it isn't a deity after all), Plagues' meddling only caused a ripple, which resulted in one random child getting born with absurdly strong connection to The Force. Who turned out to be Anakin, so he isn't literally created for the specific purpose of bringing the balance, but rather got (un)lucky when he was born with potential to do so.
Lucas said that Plaguies DIDNT create Anakin but that the force pushed back against the sith attempting to create life, essentially responding with Anakin.
Your interpretation of Qui-Gon and the Chosen One prophecy is fascinating. It could add additional complexity and intrigue to his character. Interestingly, in a cut scene from the Revenge of the Sith script, Palpatine admits to Anakin's face that he influenced the midi-chlorians to start the cell divisions which created him. So it would seem Lucas' intentions were always to have been for Palpatine to be Anakin's father, and by extension Luke's grandfather. It really is like a family soap opera in space. Like poetry, it rhymes.
Hold on, the reading of the datapad seems off. He’s not looking at the datapad, but at Mace Windu. He’s not reading the datapad, but Mace Windu, who likely isn’t purposefully resisting so the test can be completed (would be an odd test to see if he’s force sensitive if Windu resists attempts at mindreading/sensing). This is immediately confirmed when Al Mundi or whatever High Ridgehead’s name is reads Anakin’s mind in return.
Hey brother. Thanks for the feedback. I was quite stoked with how that song turned out. Did the animation myself, which is why it is so basic looking. Good way of explaining his dad, hah. Hope you're keeping well. Next vid is out on Monday at 9 am. -ED-1TA
You're absolutely right. Not only is that the correct way to interpret his line, you've even proven it with a quote from much earlier in the movie. Most impressive. -DZ
I don't think Yoda's comments on fear to Luke represent a significantly changed ideology from what we see in the prequels - on the contrary, I think the prequels aim for some strong parallelism with that scene. The key is that with both Luke and Anakin, the Skywalker in question insists they are not afraid, but Yoda knows all too well that they are *not* prepared to handle their emotions and are vulnerable to the temptations of the dark side. We see across both trilogies that Yoda was right in his assessment, but that Luke ultimately develops control over his fear and anger whereas Anakin is consumed by his.
There was one Sith of the Rule of Two who defected to the Jedi (Which is how the Jedi know about the Rule, and also how the Essence Transfer souljump ability from Dark Empire could be something Palpatine "Stole from the Jedi" according to Children of the Jedi and Darksaber, when it was originally a Sith technique.)
@@thebreadcircus Haha awesome. Love the work you guys put out, my favorite Star Wars content on youtube for all nitpicky detailed reasons why I love Star Wars including my criticisms
I think it's interesting to interpret earlier lore as the true lore. Personally I've always interpreted true lore as the original creator's decisions. Like with Halo - people get mad at Halo Reach because it doesn't mesh with the prequel book "The Fall of Reach". However, much like Lucas' lack of involvement with Star Wars books, Bungie had no real control over that book, and in fact didn't like its existence. So I always take the creator's story choices as canon. And, much like Star Wars, Halo was then taken over by a completely separate company who made massive changes, retcons, and additions which are completely at odds with the original universe. In Halo's case, the 3rd game was basically retconned, many words had their definitions altered, and the entire history of the universe was massively retconned.
These video essays as an appendix and addendum to the source material is far more entertaining than the actual movies themselves! Thank you for sharing this 👏😎
It's amazing to me that your willful misinterpretation of what Shmi said is exactly how I understood what she said when I first saw the movie. I assumed she meant the father was somehow out of the picture either because he died or left at some point.
I mean… This assumes that Shmi somehow has knowledge about a Jedi prophecy to the extent that she knows a virgin birth is a sign of it. While being a slave for almost her entire life.
I'm always so quick to click on these videos when I see that they've been uploaded that I only just now realized that they're called "A _Brief_ Retrospective" when each episode is like 1/3 the length of the actual movie. If it takes another couple of episodes, this will be longer than the whole trilogy! 🤣
While there is a word grob, that means rough or coarse. Groß uses a so called sharp s, a letter that is used when a word needs a voiceless s, like in snake. English uses the z for voiced s'es like in zoo. The voiceless s is normally shown by a double ss, but in words with a stretched vocal sound, like in groß, the ß is used, because double ss would indicate a short vocal sound.
The landing platforms are attached to the city, yes. But Cloud City is floating using exactly the same repulsorlift technology as the Coruscant landing pads, so I wouldn't call either one solid ground. -DZ
all this discussion about Anakin and Shmi reminded me of something that pisses me off about the whole situation... why the fk didnt the Jedi or Royal Padme go back and buy Shmi's freedom? WHY!? its so cruel and evil that the left her there to die... always made me livid!
Small critique at about 12:32, the something awful forums had a 10bux entry free, and while the forums died eventually the community it fostered still lives on in Goonswarm. As always, thank you for making these videos. They make my lorehunting a lot easier.
If you pay attention to that part of the video, you should notice a Flip Top Box reference. We knew someone from SA would eventually call us out on this so I snuck that in there, hoping people would realise the joke. -ED-1TA
yep, the jedi Gifted Anaking to Sidious... by not rescuing the mother, when it would have been really easy for them with the inmense resourses they had...even if they dont wanted them together, freeing Anakins mom and making sure he saw her a free woman would have ensured Loyalty to Order. And if they rejected him as Windu said they did (god i hate him on that scene) Palpatine would have yonked him up in a flash...and even if there really were no Sith alive as the council stupidly belived (i really doint understand why they didnt send a docen jedi with Qui if they had a any bit of a doubt) they knew the Dark side would find a way to corrupt someone into reviving the Sith as the profecy was never fullfiled
Crazy low amount of views on this series considering the effort and genuine engagement put into them. I suppose a "brief" retrospective about The Phantom Menace with hour long episodes isn't quite everyone's cup of tea.
In fairness to yoda that’s probably not what he heavy by “impossible” Instead if it being impossible at all it could just be impossible within the system the Jedi use
5:30 that is not a "b" in the German word _groß_ (meaning "big", "large", "tall" or "great" in the sense of physical size only), the ß character is called _eszett_ and it is equivalent to a double "s". So _Fussball_ can also be spelled _Fußball_ even though it is the same word and pronounced exactly the same. _Grob_ is a completely different word altogether, it means "rough" or "roughly".
When you get to it, valorum's death was retconned in the clone wars tv show. Also, I am curious what your opinion was on "T canon" was when the tv show was a part of legends. In my opinoin, it was a bad decision on lucas' part, just giving feloni a free pass to disregard pre existing content and even punch up and retconn the movies.
I think there is one thing to note about fear. Fear here can easily have two meanings (as, it turns out, words have some nuance to them.) The fear that is being talked about by the council is the fear of loss, it's attachments to the world that make you act selfishly to preserve them. This interpretation is consistent across the entire prequal trilogies story about Anakin. Fear in the cave is not about that, it's not about a fear of loss and inability to let go, but about the natural sort of fear one has when faced with something dangerous, and disturbing. To be afraid of one's own capacity, as the cave show's Luke, is a good fear, one that limits ambition and creates perspective. Fear of lose, particularly the loss of others, Anakin's greatest downfall, creates insularity, selfishness and greed. Not all fear is the same, and the prequals preoccupation with attachment and loss seems to indicate that "fear" hear might be better construed as the biblical concept of "worry", that is the preoccupation with what may be to the detriment of one's duties, capacities, and roll.
This detail however points to a severe problem with the Prequels, especially surrounding Yoda. The tone of the OT was often mysterious and ominous, punctuated by swashbuckling serial adventure. The Dagobah part is a perfect example. Yoda is a mysterious figure as part of a knight’s quest. His words are ominous. His location near a dark side cave fits the trials and tribulation part of the hero journey, and embodies romantic notions of awe (both terrifying, but also impressive). There is a supernatural, unreal aura around this whole part - how Luke crash landed exactly there etc. Now the Prequels not only wipe away the mystery, they also dumb everything down. Yoda is now just some guy, and even commands armies and fights etc. Now it’s strange that he didn’t join the Rebellion - he has expertise as a general! Disney, alas, applied his arc to Luke, too, by rebooting him in Yoda’s mould. He, too, wouldn’t join the Resistance. Anyhow, the general point stands: this idea about fear being a path towards the darkside makes everything too simplistic, and runs against OT’s ominous “I have a bad feeling about this” vibe of vintage adventure.
@@Anerisian I would disagree. A core element of why Yoda didn't join the rebellion is explained by the prequals, not made stranger. Yoda saw this as his greatest failure. While I do agree that some things are explained over much, I think Bread Circus presents an entirely reasonably explanation for why some of those explanations were necessary, and even good in some of his previous episodes. But, to get back to your point, we already KNEW that the Jedi were deeply involve4d in the clone war before this movie, so that doesn't really change anything. What does change is that we see that Yoda feels like his failure of judgement caused the empire, that he is personally at fault for Sidious rise to power. Yeah, I believe that absolutely destroyed him, and by the time the Rebellion was a credible threat to the empire, he was already at deaths door. Saying this is the same as Luke misses on key fact. We actually SEE what caused Yoda to become a reclusive hermit, it's the entire story of the prequals are, in many respects, a story of Yoda's personal failures as a leader.
What if you can have your cake and eat it to, say that anikan was born from someone unremarkable but was going to be a still birth or something and darth plaguses plea to the force happened to save him
How about this interpretation of Shmi? The midi-chlorians do not have evil intent. As such, they have no interest in serving a follower of the dark side. The dark side is a philosophy applied to influence MCs (or the Whills, which is another ball of wax altogether) to do what wouldn't naturally be their preference. Anakin's remote conception was the work of a dark-side adherent, a Sith for example; however, it wasn't necessarily Plagueis, as Sidious' statement to Anakin doesn't strictly imply this. For the statement to so imply, would require that there's only ever been one remote conception via the force. Thus, this premise is an assumption you've made because of bias against the concept of remote conception. When Qui-Gon says "Finding him was the will of the force," he's also making a biased assumption: that the midi-chlorians are always able to have their will be done, i.e. that they're always able to negate efforts of the dark side to use them for evil. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the force by Qui-Gon... a point which the councillors may have been aware of, but may have seen no value in arguing with him, particularly in light of his professional history. Thus, they believed it highly possible, or even certain, that Anakin was conceived by the MCs, but may have been highly doubtful that this was what the MCs intended to happen. The council sensed that this virgin birth was not able to fulfill the prophecy given by the Whills/midi-chlorians/whoever, because the boy was not actually sent by them to fulfill it but was instead an imposter conceived through the hijacking of their power by a dark-side adherent. The above interpretation explains everything: >> Why Sidious said what he said to Anakin. Even if he was the father, he was strong enough with the force to do this from across the galaxy, plus he himself may have been the son of Darth Plagueis by the very same means. And if Plagueis were in fact Anakin's father, Sidious, having killed Plagueis, would have no problem acting as a surrogate father to his son, might even take pride in it. >> Explains why the council reacted so negatively to Qui-Gon's report, and why they were still adamantly opposed to training him even after his extraordinary abilities had been shown to them. >> Explains why Anakin would have such exceptional abilities, which would not normally be expected if he had two unexceptional parents. >> Explains why Qui-Gon believed so strongly in the boy, despite all the very strong signs that everyone else could easily see, that he was dangerous. >> Explains why Yoda would believe strongly in the validity of the prophecy, to the point where he would only admit the possibility of a misinterpretation, not a falsehood in the prophecy, even after all that had happened to the Jedi and the galaxy since they went plunging down the wrong path that Qui-Gon had pointed out to them.
Not quite, Sidious and his master were playing with the midi-chlorians to create life (think Jurassic Park) which is where the imbalance came from. The Force created Anakin to correct the imbalance. From a certain point of view, Sidious or his master 'could' be considered to be his father, but they actually are not. There was actually a line in ROTS where Sidious would tell Anakin that he was his father, but it was meant to be a lie and was never put in the movie. The council fears Anakin because while he is powerful he is also a potentially uncontrollable element. Additionally, if he is who Qui-Gon says he is then it would mean that the Sith had been festering under their noses, not a comforting thought. In several of the Legends era books, it is made more clear that Anakin is what Qui-Gon said but that he doesn't want to be special. In Labyrinth of Evil Yoda does muse on the no-father sentiment and wonders if Schmi had been lying and expresses concern about what would happen if Anakin had been corrupted (too late lol). Realistically, the council being leary is a good choice, just maybe not saying these things in front of a kid. Because this is where Anakin's mistrust of the council begins. Qui-Gon mentioning that finding him is the 'will of the force' is interesting because if Anakin had been born in the Republic he would have been located and brought to the temple, possibly allowing the Sith to become aware of his existence sooner. Prior to these events, Qui-Gon had a vision of what 'balance' would entail so it does seem that he was the person who was positioned to find and train Anakin. But those are actually really cool ideas, and well worthy of a What If?
Came for the lore. Rewatching for.. the toomanyth time for the memes, jokes, references, shit posts and more. This is a fantastic series, great breakdown, fun mix of pedantry and goofiness. I don't know if you do this alone or with a team, but either way, well done
Re Plagueis being Anakin's Dad, I believe in the Plagueis novel it suggests he caused Anakin's birth indirectly. Instead of Plagueis influencing the midichlorians to create Anakin, the book indicates that it was Plagueis' meddling with the midichlorians and the Dark side that caused the Force to fight back by creating the Chosen One.
@@MrShrog Reread the book last week, from it it's clear that Plagueis was trying to influence the midichlorians to achieve immortality and bend the Force totally to the will of the Sith. The Force fights back against this and creates Anakin, so the book clearly states it was the Force who made Anakin not Plagueis or Sidious
gross is an english word too you know like in 'gross national product' and it'd make sense for jarjar to learn english from trade situations, 'grossly' would mean 'totally' if you look at it that way around, and 'grossly' is an english word too of course, for example people will say things are 'grossly exaggerated' in that case, the 'it's an actual word' case, it'd be like 'overly' or 'excessively' which oddly fits what jarjar is saying best, weird.
That german stuff was not quite right - there are two words which would look similar to an english speaker: Grob and groß. Grob means rough and groß (pronounced gros) means large. We call that thing > ß < an Eszett or SZ and it is for long, sharp s sounds. The word you are looking for is großartig, which in fact means great (in the sense of something being good).
I gotta correct your Germanic here. In German, ß is a long sharp S sound, much like ss. It has nothing to do with B. Additionally, the word groß still exists the same way today - as does grob, incidentally. Groß does indeed mean large, big, great. Grob is a different word, meaning rough, coarse, harsh. Furthermore, "grossly" is indeed an English word descended from the German groß, though it's archaic with how it's fallen out of use. The only other modern use of it I can think of without research is Solaire in Dark Souls: "If only I could be so grossly incandescent."
5:33 As a German I just have to comment, not sure whether it's intentional on your part or not: the "ß" is always pronounced as "s", not as "b". Some fonts just make the "ß" look like some variant of "b" Love your videos by the way!
quick note inregards to 5:48 : groß basicly just means big (or tall when talking about tall things). grob (with an actual b sound at the end) also exists, and general has a meaning similarly to roughly both in the slightly vague amount, and the whole 'shove him roughly' kinda way.
I don’t understand your issue with the virginal birth or the prophesy. There’s innate spiritual side to the series in relation to the force from the very beginning.
Your interpretation of the dialogue with Shmie is superb, alas made difficult to accept as the film portrays Shmi as too sincere and without any hint of awkwardness. Overall the “chosen one” is one of the worst ideas of all films, for it just doesn’t add anything and the audience generally reacted with amusement, which also undercuts Lucas intention. The two leading interpretations are both outright atrocious. The idea that the force created Anakin as a response to some dark sider meddling is terrible, as it gives the force too much agency, and turns it into a kind of deity who controls everything in a deterministic manner. Basically God. Worse, it doesn’t pick someone who has the means to get stuff done. No, it goes out of its way to pick a slave (i.e. lowly origins of the son of God trope) on a forsaken remote planet, and all-knowingly knows that eventually everything falls into place. Every convoluted happenstance is foretold? Where is the adventure and heroism in that? That‘s just terrible space Jesus stuff, especially as they are also running around in sandals in a desert region. It‘s just really terrible. The other interpretation is only slighly less bad, as there is no hint as to how the harebrained scheme even looks like to Plagueis or Sidious. So one of them nefariously impregnates a random slave woman on a desert planet, using dark side alchemy, and they orchestrate that her son is discovered somehow years later by their opponents, really? I have a hard time to see how this makes any sense, even you could say that they specifically sold Shmi to keep her there. But why? If you have the means to organise this, you also have the means to just keep her in the basement of your villain lair, and raise her son right away in the ways of the Sith. It just makes zero sense. Your “fix” is the best interpretation, even though the film works hard against it. I would say that Jinn really believes in a prophecy, but a prophecy need not be a deterministic story that is about to play out. It can loosly mean that he believes someone with that high of a midichlorian count will do great things and make great progress, and it’s super important to not pass up on that opportunity. Maybe an “imbalance” is bothering Jedi for a long time, and it can just as well be some arcane theological concept; something that is still unclear to the Jedi, and Jinn believes that Anakin might solve that issue. These are just some of really questionable decisions. Among them is turning everyone into a tragic character by giving them backstory, Yoda enjoyed the luxury of the temple, dies in rags in a swamp (as opposed to being a mysterious gnome who naturally belongs to an eerie and mysterious place), Obi Wan enjoyed the urban life and getting around, is imprisoned in a desert for life, and supposed to voyeuristically spy on a boy in the neighbourhood (as opposed to have retired there, but still travelling around, and only be generally in reach if something comes up, hence he knew how to hire a smuggler etc). Lastly, the ridiculous clanker droids and comical japanese Separatists just don’t hold up as the bad guys; a total misfire.
is the bit about the german word groß a joke? because the ß is a specific kind od S and not a B; think of it like ê or ü groß is literally the german word for big by the way
The "grob" bit is definitely a joke: I was aware of what the ß means, which is why I thought of "groß" when Jar-Jar says "grossly". Until a couple of people in the comments pointed it out, though, I didn't know that "grob" is already a German word that means "rough"/"coarse". -DZ
The reason George's ambiguous narrative around Anakin's Father: because he's a horrible writer/director (sloppy-creator, we know he favors reading cliff-notes, point made), 'from a certain point of view...
"I am wilfully misinterpreting the lore. Pray I don't interpret it any further." -Bread Circus, Episode VI
The Darth Plagueis story is one of my favorite scenes in Star Wars. Most of why I like it is that everybody seems to take it at face value when the whole point of the scene is Palpatine manipulating Anakin with the promise of power to keep those he loves from dying. We have no idea how much of it is true and how much of it is false. Most people assume that Plagueis is Palpatine's master, and indeed the extended universe confirms this, but if your only experience with Star Wars is with the movies, it is just as likely that Plagueis was a Sith Lord from centuries before Palpatine was born or that Plagueis never existed and was simply a character Palpatine created as a hypothetical disguised as a historical figure or that Plagueis was indeed Palpatine's master but the whole "using Midi-Chlorians to create life" was something completely made up. This is especially true if it is "not a story the Jedi would tell you", so there's also no way to fact-check what Palpatine says. In the movies, everything that we know about Plagueis comes from the mouth of a manipulator doing everything in his power to claim Anakin as an asset for his rise to power and so everything said must be taken with a grain of salt.
The ultimate unreliable narrator. I especially like how the story implies a dualism between the light and dark side, which is an idea that dwells in the real world.
The jedi didn't have to be wiped out so that when the sith die there would be "balance" in terms of light side users (even though Luke's survival would undermine that theory). Instead since many sith were drawn from the jedi there was probably some flaw in the jedi teachings that would risk adherents falling to the dark side, so in order to have a clear opportunity the jedi needed their fourty years in the desert so a child, trained in the ultimate and archetypal circumstance for the Jedi Knight, could have an opportunity to raise the next generation that would be focused on doing Good over any particular political benefit.
That's also a reason why I don't really like any of the star wars sequels (even the expanded universe). Since they always feel the need to include Luke and all the OT trappings they inevitably corrupt the win in episode 6. A Proper sequel that would carry the essence of Star Wars would have to be set much later on in time, at least a few hundred years (or it would feel off).
What I like even more about this story:
This movie shows us E.T.’s exist in Star Wars. Not entirely surprising as E.T. Recognizes a Yoda figure.
But the attributes that Palpatine tells us about are exactly the same as the one’s E.T. Shows. ET even revives a plant in front of our eyes, showing his power to keep things from death.
E.T. Is Plagueis before the novel came out.
I mean, immefiately after Anakin pledges he changed his story ‘to well i don’t know, we can figure it out maybe’
Anakin was just an idiot.
I always thought this was obvious
27:40 The novel has the Force create Anakin to *spite* Plagueis, a snapback against it.
Loving the work and the depth of references you are using for the material. Thank you for taking the time to dive this deep into the history of Star Wars.
Great analysis
1,000 years without seeing a Sith. The Jedi Order is proof once a government program starts there is no getting rid of it.
Hogwarts has the same problem of trying to expel people on some technicality. Leaving someone powerful with a grudge and no where to go. What are they going to do but become a menace to society?
Although, I could see Anakin starting a garage, easily earning enough to buy his mother. Then start a chain of speeder service centers and now the Jedi are working for him.
There has to be some sort of shields or force fields to keep rain, junk and people from raining down on the lower levels. That means there is no way Mace dies from getting thrown out a window.
I've seen some interesting scenarios, "what if the Rebels lost at Yavin" and such. Until this video, I'd never considered what Anakin would've done if the Jedi refused to train him. There's a lot of room for stories there. I can just imagine Ani letting a droid man the reception desk, so the customers don't find out how young he is. Or rigging up a robe an pair of lights, so he can pose as a Jawa.
As for the lower levels, well. If you didn't want to experience acid rain, you should get out of the lower levels. Just don't be poor, then everything will be fine. -DZ
@@thebreadcircusThe channel Pente Patrol Star Wars has an excellent video on this very topic.
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Mace would either go right through the shield or splat on it. Besides, his innards were cooked by Palpatine's Force Lightning. Throwing him out the window was the same as flicking a cigarette butt.
Interesting perspective on Qui-Gon and the Prophecy, however I think you're reading too much into it because of one crucial factor. If Jinn was these cunning chap who wanted to convince the Council to train Anakin he would have done everything as he did in the film- except for his last words to Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon may be cunning but he is ultimately supposed to be a good person, so his last words to Obi-Wan (the being he is closest to in the whole Galaxy), would not be a lie that Anakin is the Chosen One. He can insist to Obi-Wan that he must train Anakin sure, but no one would want their last words to be a lie
You have a great video style I really like it! Both casual and informative
the droch bit had me rolling
Slipping in lore from the second least popular Bantam-era SW novel was brilliant.
I think there can be a good middle ground regarding Anakin's father. There clearly was an unremarkable father, but his existence is a taboo due to his actions in the past, which is why Schmi pretends he doesn't exist (maybe he was a terrible man who left her or, considering she's a slave, she's a victim of assault and talking about the guy brings her bad memories). The Force didn't actually create life out of nowhere (it isn't a deity after all), Plagues' meddling only caused a ripple, which resulted in one random child getting born with absurdly strong connection to The Force. Who turned out to be Anakin, so he isn't literally created for the specific purpose of bringing the balance, but rather got (un)lucky when he was born with potential to do so.
Lucas said that Plaguies DIDNT create Anakin but that the force pushed back against the sith attempting to create life, essentially responding with Anakin.
I want this playlist played at my funeral viewing. Attendance is mandatory for will benefits.
Your interpretation of Qui-Gon and the Chosen One prophecy is fascinating. It could add additional complexity and intrigue to his character. Interestingly, in a cut scene from the Revenge of the Sith script, Palpatine admits to Anakin's face that he influenced the midi-chlorians to start the cell divisions which created him. So it would seem Lucas' intentions were always to have been for Palpatine to be Anakin's father, and by extension Luke's grandfather. It really is like a family soap opera in space. Like poetry, it rhymes.
Hold on, the reading of the datapad seems off.
He’s not looking at the datapad, but at Mace Windu. He’s not reading the datapad, but Mace Windu, who likely isn’t purposefully resisting so the test can be completed (would be an odd test to see if he’s force sensitive if Windu resists attempts at mindreading/sensing).
This is immediately confirmed when Al Mundi or whatever High Ridgehead’s name is reads Anakin’s mind in return.
hey fellas me and boy really loving that remix, cant wait for the next one, Anakin's dad = Schrodinger's cat
Hey brother. Thanks for the feedback. I was quite stoked with how that song turned out. Did the animation myself, which is why it is so basic looking. Good way of explaining his dad, hah. Hope you're keeping well. Next vid is out on Monday at 9 am. -ED-1TA
As a kid, I thought the bubble on the Eddicus was an Astromechdroid lol
The "hot" comment is in reference to the goodness of the situation, ie "A little help here would be hot"
You're absolutely right. Not only is that the correct way to interpret his line, you've even proven it with a quote from much earlier in the movie. Most impressive. -DZ
In the current cannon you can see the use of the force pikes in rebels, just look up "rebels imperial guards" if you're curious.
I don't think Yoda's comments on fear to Luke represent a significantly changed ideology from what we see in the prequels - on the contrary, I think the prequels aim for some strong parallelism with that scene. The key is that with both Luke and Anakin, the Skywalker in question insists they are not afraid, but Yoda knows all too well that they are *not* prepared to handle their emotions and are vulnerable to the temptations of the dark side. We see across both trilogies that Yoda was right in his assessment, but that Luke ultimately develops control over his fear and anger whereas Anakin is consumed by his.
There was one Sith of the Rule of Two who defected to the Jedi (Which is how the Jedi know about the Rule, and also how the Essence Transfer souljump ability from Dark Empire could be something Palpatine "Stole from the Jedi" according to Children of the Jedi and Darksaber, when it was originally a Sith technique.)
Curious about the inclusion of the Grimbeard logo - I dig his stuff
It was a Goth [redacted] Nation joke. We were talking about the Goth Nation, after all. -ED-1TA
@@thebreadcircus Haha awesome. Love the work you guys put out, my favorite Star Wars content on youtube for all nitpicky detailed reasons why I love Star Wars including my criticisms
I think it's interesting to interpret earlier lore as the true lore.
Personally I've always interpreted true lore as the original creator's decisions.
Like with Halo - people get mad at Halo Reach because it doesn't mesh with the prequel book "The Fall of Reach". However, much like Lucas' lack of involvement with Star Wars books, Bungie had no real control over that book, and in fact didn't like its existence. So I always take the creator's story choices as canon.
And, much like Star Wars, Halo was then taken over by a completely separate company who made massive changes, retcons, and additions which are completely at odds with the original universe. In Halo's case, the 3rd game was basically retconned, many words had their definitions altered, and the entire history of the universe was massively retconned.
These video essays as an appendix and addendum to the source material is far more entertaining than the actual movies themselves! Thank you for sharing this 👏😎
That may be a better description of what this series actually is. 'Retrospective' is a word I chose due to proximity to the algorithm. -ED-1TA
It's amazing to me that your willful misinterpretation of what Shmi said is exactly how I understood what she said when I first saw the movie. I assumed she meant the father was somehow out of the picture either because he died or left at some point.
I mean…
This assumes that Shmi somehow has knowledge about a Jedi prophecy to the extent that she knows a virgin birth is a sign of it.
While being a slave for almost her entire life.
Their possibility that anakin was created by force as reaction to plagus melding in the force.
I'm always so quick to click on these videos when I see that they've been uploaded that I only just now realized that they're called "A _Brief_ Retrospective" when each episode is like 1/3 the length of the actual movie. If it takes another couple of episodes, this will be longer than the whole trilogy! 🤣
At this point expect another seven Before this movie’s over. Loving every second though.
Despite the lack of chosen one information, "The Jedi Path" does look kind of interesting as a casual read. I also want to compare it to Rey's "path".
A comment for K-Dam the Kakapo,may he be at health
If an item does not appear in these records, it does not exist.
I appreciate your loyalty to "original" lore, and your attention to detail.
Nothing like a BC upload on my birthday... The ideal present!!
Happy Birthday! -ED-1TA
In that case, thank you and happy birthday! -DZ
Thanks guys! Great analysis as usual!
While there is a word grob, that means rough or coarse.
Groß uses a so called sharp s, a letter that is used when a word needs a voiceless s, like in snake. English uses the z for voiced s'es like in zoo.
The voiceless s is normally shown by a double ss, but in words with a stretched vocal sound, like in groß, the ß is used, because double ss would indicate a short vocal sound.
The landing platforms on Cloud City didn't float, they were supported by central columns and were attached to towers via walkways.
The landing platforms are attached to the city, yes. But Cloud City is floating using exactly the same repulsorlift technology as the Coruscant landing pads, so I wouldn't call either one solid ground. -DZ
all this discussion about Anakin and Shmi reminded me of something that pisses me off about the whole situation... why the fk didnt the Jedi or Royal Padme go back and buy Shmi's freedom? WHY!? its so cruel and evil that the left her there to die... always made me livid!
Whenever I encounter a moral dilemma, I take a moment to recognize that I am motivated by fear.
As far as i know is that Coruscant weather is artificially controlled
6:57 "Pretty hot" means cool or awesome. Its in reference not to the Queen but her actions and how she is behaving towards them.
Small critique at about 12:32, the something awful forums had a 10bux entry free, and while the forums died eventually the community it fostered still lives on in Goonswarm.
As always, thank you for making these videos. They make my lorehunting a lot easier.
If you pay attention to that part of the video, you should notice a Flip Top Box reference. We knew someone from SA would eventually call us out on this so I snuck that in there, hoping people would realise the joke. -ED-1TA
12:24 for the SA Flash Tub reference.
Very cleaver! Though i am not a goonie, i've just made a hobby of reading about their exploits. @@thebreadcircus
yep, the jedi Gifted Anaking to Sidious... by not rescuing the mother, when it would have been really easy for them with the inmense resourses they had...even if they dont wanted them together, freeing Anakins mom and making sure he saw her a free woman would have ensured Loyalty to Order.
And if they rejected him as Windu said they did (god i hate him on that scene) Palpatine would have yonked him up in a flash...and even if there really were no Sith alive as the council stupidly belived (i really doint understand why they didnt send a docen jedi with Qui if they had a any bit of a doubt) they knew the Dark side would find a way to corrupt someone into reviving the Sith as the profecy was never fullfiled
This series is fantastic. Thank you.
A LOT of things you don't understand are answered in the Darth Palgeuis novel
Crazy low amount of views on this series considering the effort and genuine engagement put into them. I suppose a "brief" retrospective about The Phantom Menace with hour long episodes isn't quite everyone's cup of tea.
The long side of RUclips is a pathway to content many consider to be... Unnatural
This is where the fun begins... lol 🤣👏
In fairness to yoda that’s probably not what he heavy by “impossible”
Instead if it being impossible at all it could just be impossible within the system the Jedi use
5:30 that is not a "b" in the German word _groß_ (meaning "big", "large", "tall" or "great" in the sense of physical size only), the ß character is called _eszett_ and it is equivalent to a double "s". So _Fussball_ can also be spelled _Fußball_ even though it is the same word and pronounced exactly the same.
_Grob_ is a completely different word altogether, it means "rough" or "roughly".
Also, "grossly" is already an English word anyway.
When you finish the movie i want a single super long video. i will join your channel for that video.
Good stuff, as always. Even the music at the beginning gets you in the right mood.
I like that there are Star Wars fans just as obsessive as I am for the Lucas Lore
When you get to it, valorum's death was retconned in the clone wars tv show.
Also, I am curious what your opinion was on "T canon" was when the tv show was a part of legends.
In my opinoin, it was a bad decision on lucas' part, just giving feloni a free pass to disregard pre existing content and even punch up and retconn the movies.
Yeah, I agree. Luca never should’ve given Filoni free rein.
I think there is one thing to note about fear.
Fear here can easily have two meanings (as, it turns out, words have some nuance to them.)
The fear that is being talked about by the council is the fear of loss, it's attachments to the world that make you act selfishly to preserve them. This interpretation is consistent across the entire prequal trilogies story about Anakin.
Fear in the cave is not about that, it's not about a fear of loss and inability to let go, but about the natural sort of fear one has when faced with something dangerous, and disturbing. To be afraid of one's own capacity, as the cave show's Luke, is a good fear, one that limits ambition and creates perspective. Fear of lose, particularly the loss of others, Anakin's greatest downfall, creates insularity, selfishness and greed.
Not all fear is the same, and the prequals preoccupation with attachment and loss seems to indicate that "fear" hear might be better construed as the biblical concept of "worry", that is the preoccupation with what may be to the detriment of one's duties, capacities, and roll.
This detail however points to a severe problem with the Prequels, especially surrounding Yoda.
The tone of the OT was often mysterious and ominous, punctuated by swashbuckling serial adventure. The Dagobah part is a perfect example.
Yoda is a mysterious figure as part of a knight’s quest. His words are ominous. His location near a dark side cave fits the trials and tribulation part of the hero journey, and embodies romantic notions of awe (both terrifying, but also impressive). There is a supernatural, unreal aura around this whole part - how Luke crash landed exactly there etc.
Now the Prequels not only wipe away the mystery, they also dumb everything down. Yoda is now just some guy, and even commands armies and fights etc. Now it’s strange that he didn’t join the Rebellion - he has expertise as a general! Disney, alas, applied his arc to Luke, too, by rebooting him in Yoda’s mould. He, too, wouldn’t join the Resistance.
Anyhow, the general point stands: this idea about fear being a path towards the darkside makes everything too simplistic, and runs against OT’s ominous “I have a bad feeling about this” vibe of vintage adventure.
@@Anerisian I would disagree. A core element of why Yoda didn't join the rebellion is explained by the prequals, not made stranger.
Yoda saw this as his greatest failure. While I do agree that some things are explained over much, I think Bread Circus presents an entirely reasonably explanation for why some of those explanations were necessary, and even good in some of his previous episodes.
But, to get back to your point, we already KNEW that the Jedi were deeply involve4d in the clone war before this movie, so that doesn't really change anything.
What does change is that we see that Yoda feels like his failure of judgement caused the empire, that he is personally at fault for Sidious rise to power.
Yeah, I believe that absolutely destroyed him, and by the time the Rebellion was a credible threat to the empire, he was already at deaths door.
Saying this is the same as Luke misses on key fact.
We actually SEE what caused Yoda to become a reclusive hermit, it's the entire story of the prequals are, in many respects, a story of Yoda's personal failures as a leader.
lol, "You can only miss your family if you were abducted too late."
The Germanic words still exist in German with slightly different meaning
PARROT
We included far more parrot in this episode. -ED-1TA
@@thebreadcircus I have commented this on every bread circus video since the introduction of the parrot
@@711desmond I know. And I always enjoying seeing it. -ED-1TA
@@thebreadcircus thanks that’s nice to hear
What if you can have your cake and eat it to, say that anikan was born from someone unremarkable but was going to be a still birth or something and darth plaguses plea to the force happened to save him
How about this interpretation of Shmi?
The midi-chlorians do not have evil intent. As such, they have no interest in serving a follower of the dark side. The dark side is a philosophy applied to influence MCs (or the Whills, which is another ball of wax altogether) to do what wouldn't naturally be their preference. Anakin's remote conception was the work of a dark-side adherent, a Sith for example; however, it wasn't necessarily Plagueis, as Sidious' statement to Anakin doesn't strictly imply this.
For the statement to so imply, would require that there's only ever been one remote conception via the force. Thus, this premise is an assumption you've made because of bias against the concept of remote conception.
When Qui-Gon says "Finding him was the will of the force," he's also making a biased assumption: that the midi-chlorians are always able to have their will be done, i.e. that they're always able to negate efforts of the dark side to use them for evil.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the force by Qui-Gon... a point which the councillors may have been aware of, but may have seen no value in arguing with him, particularly in light of his professional history.
Thus, they believed it highly possible, or even certain, that Anakin was conceived by the MCs, but may have been highly doubtful that this was what the MCs intended to happen.
The council sensed that this virgin birth was not able to fulfill the prophecy given by the Whills/midi-chlorians/whoever, because the boy was not actually sent by them to fulfill it but was instead an imposter conceived through the hijacking of their power by a dark-side adherent.
The above interpretation explains everything:
>> Why Sidious said what he said to Anakin. Even if he was the father, he was strong enough with the force to do this from across the galaxy, plus he himself may have been the son of Darth Plagueis by the very same means. And if Plagueis were in fact Anakin's father, Sidious, having killed Plagueis, would have no problem acting as a surrogate father to his son, might even take pride in it.
>> Explains why the council reacted so negatively to Qui-Gon's report, and why they were still adamantly opposed to training him even after his extraordinary abilities had been shown to them.
>> Explains why Anakin would have such exceptional abilities, which would not normally be expected if he had two unexceptional parents.
>> Explains why Qui-Gon believed so strongly in the boy, despite all the very strong signs that everyone else could easily see, that he was dangerous.
>> Explains why Yoda would believe strongly in the validity of the prophecy, to the point where he would only admit the possibility of a misinterpretation, not a falsehood in the prophecy, even after all that had happened to the Jedi and the galaxy since they went plunging down the wrong path that Qui-Gon had pointed out to them.
Not quite, Sidious and his master were playing with the midi-chlorians to create life (think Jurassic Park) which is where the imbalance came from. The Force created Anakin to correct the imbalance. From a certain point of view, Sidious or his master 'could' be considered to be his father, but they actually are not. There was actually a line in ROTS where Sidious would tell Anakin that he was his father, but it was meant to be a lie and was never put in the movie.
The council fears Anakin because while he is powerful he is also a potentially uncontrollable element. Additionally, if he is who Qui-Gon says he is then it would mean that the Sith had been festering under their noses, not a comforting thought. In several of the Legends era books, it is made more clear that Anakin is what Qui-Gon said but that he doesn't want to be special. In Labyrinth of Evil Yoda does muse on the no-father sentiment and wonders if Schmi had been lying and expresses concern about what would happen if Anakin had been corrupted (too late lol).
Realistically, the council being leary is a good choice, just maybe not saying these things in front of a kid. Because this is where Anakin's mistrust of the council begins. Qui-Gon mentioning that finding him is the 'will of the force' is interesting because if Anakin had been born in the Republic he would have been located and brought to the temple, possibly allowing the Sith to become aware of his existence sooner. Prior to these events, Qui-Gon had a vision of what 'balance' would entail so it does seem that he was the person who was positioned to find and train Anakin.
But those are actually really cool ideas, and well worthy of a What If?
@@TaraCicora I thought so, though I still hope to hear BC's thoughts on it. Your thorough explanation is much appreciated. ✌🏼
@ty_fowler I really liked your ideas on it. Seriously, that starts to play with the nature vs nurture idea.
@@TaraCicora Yes.
@@TaraCicora Thank you. You also make a very strong argument.
Came for the lore. Rewatching for.. the toomanyth time for the memes, jokes, references, shit posts and more.
This is a fantastic series, great breakdown, fun mix of pedantry and goofiness.
I don't know if you do this alone or with a team, but either way, well done
You are a god damn genius.
Re Plagueis being Anakin's Dad, I believe in the Plagueis novel it suggests he caused Anakin's birth indirectly. Instead of Plagueis influencing the midichlorians to create Anakin, the book indicates that it was Plagueis' meddling with the midichlorians and the Dark side that caused the Force to fight back by creating the Chosen One.
As i read it, i understood it more as Plagueis "persuadet" the force to impregnate Shmii
@@MrShrog Reread the book last week, from it it's clear that Plagueis was trying to influence the midichlorians to achieve immortality and bend the Force totally to the will of the Sith. The Force fights back against this and creates Anakin, so the book clearly states it was the Force who made Anakin not Plagueis or Sidious
@@ladsvideos that formulation makes more sense than mine, i tried to formulate that in a good way, but you did it clearly better
@@MrShrog No worries General, as long as little Ani doesn't end up with a creepy Sith Lord as a father figure I think we'll all be ok...
Glad to see the grimbeard plug
Who better to represent the Goth [redacted] Nation? -ED-1TA
Headcanon Cope: The Video!
GAHHHHH this series is so solid! Not usually a fan of intros but yours is a banger!
gross is an english word too you know like in 'gross national product' and it'd make sense for jarjar to learn english from trade situations, 'grossly' would mean 'totally' if you look at it that way around, and 'grossly' is an english word too of course, for example people will say things are 'grossly exaggerated' in that case, the 'it's an actual word' case, it'd be like 'overly' or 'excessively' which oddly fits what jarjar is saying best, weird.
Just had a good WEG TTrpg sesh and then see this coming up. Excellent
That german stuff was not quite right - there are two words which would look similar to an english speaker: Grob and groß. Grob means rough and groß (pronounced gros) means large. We call that thing > ß < an Eszett or SZ and it is for long, sharp s sounds. The word you are looking for is großartig, which in fact means great (in the sense of something being good).
Yipee! This channel is becoming a sunday ritual for me! :)
been loving these, hope you do ep2 after this season, tho probably take a vacation between seasons to recharge
good job!
Keep it going, Bread Circus! This series is just top notch!
I gotta correct your Germanic here.
In German, ß is a long sharp S sound, much like ss. It has nothing to do with B.
Additionally, the word groß still exists the same way today - as does grob, incidentally.
Groß does indeed mean large, big, great.
Grob is a different word, meaning rough, coarse, harsh.
Furthermore, "grossly" is indeed an English word descended from the German groß, though it's archaic with how it's fallen out of use. The only other modern use of it I can think of without research is Solaire in Dark Souls: "If only I could be so grossly incandescent."
Your overview is good. May the force be with you. I am really starting to appreciate how much the sequels made sense compared to the sequels.
5:33 As a German I just have to comment, not sure whether it's intentional on your part or not: the "ß" is always pronounced as "s", not as "b". Some fonts just make the "ß" look like some variant of "b"
Love your videos by the way!
quick note inregards to 5:48 :
groß basicly just means big (or tall when talking about tall things).
grob (with an actual b sound at the end) also exists, and general has a meaning similarly to roughly both in the slightly vague amount, and the whole 'shove him roughly' kinda way.
The intro music is such a bop
what is the puppet show anyway?
Never watched it as a whole, but looks like Thunderbirds.
We use Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons, Joe 90 and Stringray. Google 'Gerry Anderson'. -ED-1TA
Love your work! Can you please tell us the name of the song you use in the intro? It slaps.
Arlekino, by the beautiful Alla Pugacheva. Remixed by Geoffrey Day. -ED-1TA
@@thebreadcircus Thanks so much! Keep up the good work.
>part 7
The runtime of this review series is quickly approaching bethesda nerd levels. A Brief Retrospective, indeed.
I wish it would show what time it’s coming on instead of
July 9 at…
Next time we'll add the American times for the Premiere to the description. -ED-1TA
You are my main source of frequent entertainment.
Another fantastic video. Keep up the great work. 👍 Peace ✌🏻
Bro I’m loving this content but what’s with the constant ads?
Any friend of the Goth Gamer Nation is a friend of mine.
I don’t understand your issue with the virginal birth or the prophesy. There’s innate spiritual side to the series in relation to the force from the very beginning.
Your interpretation of the dialogue with Shmie is superb, alas made difficult to accept as the film portrays Shmi as too sincere and without any hint of awkwardness. Overall the “chosen one” is one of the worst ideas of all films, for it just doesn’t add anything and the audience generally reacted with amusement, which also undercuts Lucas intention.
The two leading interpretations are both outright atrocious. The idea that the force created Anakin as a response to some dark sider meddling is terrible, as it gives the force too much agency, and turns it into a kind of deity who controls everything in a deterministic manner. Basically God. Worse, it doesn’t pick someone who has the means to get stuff done. No, it goes out of its way to pick a slave (i.e. lowly origins of the son of God trope) on a forsaken remote planet, and all-knowingly knows that eventually everything falls into place. Every convoluted happenstance is foretold? Where is the adventure and heroism in that? That‘s just terrible space Jesus stuff, especially as they are also running around in sandals in a desert region. It‘s just really terrible.
The other interpretation is only slighly less bad, as there is no hint as to how the harebrained scheme even looks like to Plagueis or Sidious. So one of them nefariously impregnates a random slave woman on a desert planet, using dark side alchemy, and they orchestrate that her son is discovered somehow years later by their opponents, really? I have a hard time to see how this makes any sense, even you could say that they specifically sold Shmi to keep her there. But why? If you have the means to organise this, you also have the means to just keep her in the basement of your villain lair, and raise her son right away in the ways of the Sith. It just makes zero sense.
Your “fix” is the best interpretation, even though the film works hard against it. I would say that Jinn really believes in a prophecy, but a prophecy need not be a deterministic story that is about to play out. It can loosly mean that he believes someone with that high of a midichlorian count will do great things and make great progress, and it’s super important to not pass up on that opportunity. Maybe an “imbalance” is bothering Jedi for a long time, and it can just as well be some arcane theological concept; something that is still unclear to the Jedi, and Jinn believes that Anakin might solve that issue.
These are just some of really questionable decisions. Among them is turning everyone into a tragic character by giving them backstory, Yoda enjoyed the luxury of the temple, dies in rags in a swamp (as opposed to being a mysterious gnome who naturally belongs to an eerie and mysterious place), Obi Wan enjoyed the urban life and getting around, is imprisoned in a desert for life, and supposed to voyeuristically spy on a boy in the neighbourhood (as opposed to have retired there, but still travelling around, and only be generally in reach if something comes up, hence he knew how to hire a smuggler etc). Lastly, the ridiculous clanker droids and comical japanese Separatists just don’t hold up as the bad guys; a total misfire.
is the bit about the german word groß a joke? because the ß is a specific kind od S and not a B; think of it like ê or ü
groß is literally the german word for big by the way
The "grob" bit is definitely a joke: I was aware of what the ß means, which is why I thought of "groß" when Jar-Jar says "grossly". Until a couple of people in the comments pointed it out, though, I didn't know that "grob" is already a German word that means "rough"/"coarse". -DZ
30:20 the term is non birthing person not father c'mon its the current year.
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Hey buddy. -ED-1TA
The reason George's ambiguous narrative around Anakin's Father: because he's a horrible writer/director (sloppy-creator, we know he favors reading cliff-notes, point made), 'from a certain point of view...