GR Yaris Intercooler Test - Thin and tall vs Thick and Short - Motive Garage
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this episode of Motive Garage, presented by Sparesbox, we upgrade our intercooler to a Process West kit, as we pushed power well past what our original intercooler set-up was designed for, and test the results. Don't forget you can win our GR Yaris project car! Become an LMCT+ member here: lmctgiveaway.c...
*Yes, we know Ekanoo made 514whp but that is a different dyno and not comparable. Our MPH is the same at the same weight when we made 352kW at the hubs. NOow we make 362kW at the hubs, so make your own calculations.
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I was so waiting for this video, we are following your build all the way from Nairobi, Kenya in Africa. Keep going guys. This is super awesome...
That’s awesome man
Have you guys started your own build ?
@@costagiourtis2531 There's only 2 Yaris's in Kenya which we were building for WRC but freaking FIA rules changed for this year so we are working round the clock to make things happen. Worst case scenario is we won't make it in.
@@mosesindecks Are you finishing it for the rally in June? What´s the team called?
@@bingoberra18 Azar Anwar Motorsports sir. The global rally has already started.
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The GR Yaris will for sure be a legend sooner than later. Awesome car overall...
Be interesting to see how the larger IC has affected the radiator's efficiency. Which again isn't an issue at the drags, but would for circuit use, maybe something to review/note before the cam upgrade as I assume there are data logs from the Motec on the various tuning sessions. Makes me wonder about the ol mega thick drag ICs of yester year and how efficient were they.
I doubt it will affect it much, the air goes all the way through both, that’s the whole reason they’ve gone with the shallower taller design. If anything the fan will come on less in traffic than before.
All these neat upgrades.
I hope there is as much parts commonality when the GR Corolla comes to North America.
I wish these videos were longer and came out more frequently 😅 great stuff 👌🏼
We wish we could but RUclips is our side gig. Cant afford full time yet
@@MotiveVideo I think you would find that the more time/videos you did that would all change
@@MotiveVideo what rpm does it hit boost threshold with this turbo and what are the drivetrain losses on this platform ?
Very good choice of intercooler type. You've got things right. I've said this many a times in car forums over the years. One should use the appropriate volume of a core for the power he is going to run, with as much surface area as possible. What usually people do on high hp setups, they change the thickness of the cooler, but they keep relatively the same surface area as the stock unit i.e. This is not beneficial, as they only manage to get the extra volume and get rid of the restriction for their power target, but they gain very little, not even that enough times, in heat exchange characteristics, as with more compressed volume of air, more heat comes along . The thinner a piece of metal the faster it exchanges heat with the atmosphere, the same principle goes for a cooler of any type. The important thing with a cooler, is to find the best ratio between volume, and heat exchange for one's setup. In order for one to gain back from and counteract at a significant degree the blocking of the radiator, and allow as much stream of fresh air to reach it, is best to use a tube and fin design intercooler, with very efficient aerodynamically designed tubes. This type allows the most air to reach the radiator. I use the same type of core on my 1000+hp Evo, as the one you have used, but on a tube and fin design. The progress on the yaris is going awesomely. Great choice of parts, great work on it, great results. Keep at it, and all the best to you and your family for the new year.
Any videos of this 1000hp evo? I thought evos were super unreliable above 600
@@AdmissionGaming depends how deep your pockets are. Like every other platform. There’s no number where they become unreliable.
@@AdmissionGaming Νο videos at the time being.
@@zaksuzuki On the contrary, I'm a poor guy, I just happen to do everything myself on the car, over an extended period of time.
@@MariosEvoCy mines garage built too mate but parts still cost money you arnt building s reliable 1000hp 4G with hopes and dreams.
Finally Yaris upgrades! keep the good work, waiting for that epic 10 second run!
Lamspeed ran a 10 with the plazmaman intercooler 👍. They are the quickest and fastest with the “discredited” Intercooler. I’m glad someone is out there doing real world testing not just cheering over 6kw on a dyno with more timing thrown in just to make an “improvement” video.
Makes sense that a thicker core is going to perform much worse with zero airflow. Very cool drag optimization!
That's interesting! Who supplies the cores to plazmaman?
PWR historically ramble on about pressure drop and heat exchange at extreme temperatures but their air2air ITC cores always seem to be a let down on outright power on "big hp street/drag car applications "
This is just a generalised statement from my experiences. I know they make high end parts for F1 etc.....
3 times in this video we got a comprehensive explanation about the thick vs thin intercooler and heat soak. I couldn't bare to watch past 10 minutes in case someone else explained it...... again....
Andrew you look incredible my man! Weight reduction seems to be going well I see. That shirt fits a lot better now too!
Not even a fan of ricers but love the technical prowess of this GR Yaris build series.
That’s what I love about small displacement turbocharged engines. There’s so much to learn. It’s much easier to just throw a big cam in a big block and make 500hp but there’s not much learning going on.
When I first saw the core I thought. "they've nicked that off an RS500 Sierra" 🤣😂
That is amazing. Have you a rough idea of drivetrain loss? Would 15% be close?
Just messing with numbers but 485.9 x 1.15 = 558.7 at the engine which is remarkable 💪
Loss isn’t a percentage. Its basically a fixed amount. Its probably 30-35 horsepower based on our development.
@@MotiveVideo A good friend of mine is one of the lead engine tuners for the current Red Bull F1 car working for Honda and I asked him the same question. He said the loss is definitely greater at higher horsepower levels so it's not a fixed amount, nor is it a fixed percentage. And they have an engine dyno as well as a hub dyno there where they tune for every single track. Unless it can be verified at the engine, it's just a guessing game.
Nice work guys, process west gear is awesome. And thank you for updating your music, so much better.
Thanks yo u guys , I like the fact that u do your numbers considering the good health of the car,.
I wold like to See that little monster facing some of the big fish 🐟 head to head like taking the POSH 911 turbo stock.
If only we could have this beast, great work!
And how much torque?
We cap it at 500NM
Always thought PlazmaMan was top tier for daily boost but this opened my eyes a little.
Everyone should probably be buying cores to suit application and tig welding the rest... (PERFECT WORLD)
Plazmaman make some of the best in the world, this cooler was only suited to a lower power figure. I think a lot of people have misunderstood what’s going on here.
I thought that of the first intercooler when I initially saw it but didn't think you'd max it out so soon!
Neither did we! It works great for its intended purpose. We just went a long way beyond that
Good God, I'd LOVE to have this car, but I live in the States and it'd be really hard, if not illegal to import here, as well as costing a fortune in the process due to import fees, hiring a broker, and then attempting to register it. However, someone down unda is really going to love this car as well. I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed watching it's ongoing build.
It would be illegal because of the 25 year rule
We're getting the GR Corolla though, and I would imagine there would be quite a bit of part commonality with the Yaris aftermarket as well.
Didnt you need to upgrade the valve springs? At what point does changing an internal component mean you have changed it from stock?
Why dont you try stage 3 airtec intercooler??
Love what you guys & E Kanoo are doing for this platform
When will you test the Hypertune Cooler?
Gotta say the music on this video is the best yet !!
Would you have gotten more by keeping the plazmaman core but fitting water meth injection?
How much does it cost parts/man hours to install it all, the total cost.
Would it be worth fitting the intercooler water spray from the JDM GR Yaris?
It would help yes
Well the surface is greater yes, but are the sideboxes lange enough to channel the Flow through the whole net?
Looks not really that great from Flow perspective...
Did you watch the video?
I'm not convinced the back half of the intercooler was getting heat soaked. Whilst the thickness of the cooler likely was the cause of the problems you were having, it would have been more to do with restriction and the lack of ducting to force air through the core. Like most things, air takes the path of least resistance which by the looks of it would have been around the intercooler rather then through it.
Eh, no.
@@MotiveVideo lol nice reply, whilst I respect that you guys have a large degree of motorsports credibility. I find it rather odd that you would seriously think air has the ability to stop absorbing heat in the 3 or 4 inches it has to travel through the intercooler.
Ryan's one of my favourite elements of this build series. Very enlightening.
How about spraying water onto the intercooler or meth/water injection into the intake?
Wondering how long the motor will last though and what a very safe power number to make would be so the engine holds up for a long time.
still going a year later
@@MotiveVideo that’s awesome. Thinking of going with a GR Corolla in the US 👍🏻
@@MotiveVideo nice! Thinking I might have to get a GR Corolla then if it’s that good of a platform 😬
I love the Yaris videos. Great job, and really interesting results!
Iv always wondered if this would be a issue with these different sized intercooler.
Coming along and proving to be a little beast. I’m certainly impressed and wouldn’t mind owning it myself.
Awesome job guys, the Yaris is a beast
485HP from a 1.6L. Holy shit...😍
Motive video did you see custom GR 7 sequential gearbox for yaris from Kotouc Gearboxes ?? that sould be a great improvment. Greetings from Poland.
Hang in there 1.6 🤞impressive stuff guys.
So is the stock North American block the same as the WRC engine ?
Can you provide some insight into any problems regards the rocker arms for the cams? i have seen reports of them failing, due to the RPM on these. I would have much preferred to see solid cams on this type of performance engine, but i guess they had to save money some where as a production vehicle, have you faced any issues with any of these, have you decreased the RPM limit as you have increased the boost and fuelling? Would like to know more thanks.
We upped limiter from 7200 to. 7500
all good so far
That IC kit is awesome 👌
Until it throws a rod through the block...lol..I've seen stock block Fa20's make 550whp...Only a few made it to high miles
Outstanding content, and amazing work. Well done, gentlemen.
Why not use an interchiller
Painting the new cooler black may help with heat loss via radiation
How many Newtonmeter?
Will this mod causes the engine to overheat as it almost cover up the entire radiator? Why not mount it on the side?
Air still passes through it and because it’s thin, plenty of air get through.
I’m curious to see what will cause the engine to fail.
I bet it's more boost.
@@sepg5084 😂 ALL the boost
Will let go just after someone wins it 😂
One owner never thrashed
I cant find anything on the net about a 514whp yaris...
Brilliant work guys
Haha, I was so hoping to see a 10 sec pass at the end of this. Go get it
That's pretty amazing, you must be close to maxing out the turbo?
thanks for the in-depth information.
get carbon fibre hood, with titanium exhaust.
Not wishing ill will but I hope you don't get your 10 and put an even bigger turbo on it and shoot for the moon. I'm loving this build Andrew
1000hp from a 3 banger🤣🤣
@@whyme8848 for about 30 seconds.
I wonder if the 1 degree of timing is equal to 6kw or the 1.17% Gain. Or if different Dyno runs will have this variation? Anyone that’s spent more than 2 hrs on a dyno knows the answer to both is Yes… Haltech has a video showing +2 deg = 20kw. I honestly don’t know why some companies support these builds, at the start of the video it was hyped to look promising if you listen to the end and look at the end result it just looks like manipulated marketing with the old “let’s give it more timing”
If the turbo is approaching its limit of flow; the increases are smaller. Ryan even says that.
@@MotiveVideo My point is that the video is not really fair but you burn and make believe as you wish….
Can't believe 3 cylinder is making 500 whp.
As long as you are running only pump gas, its awesome, but if you are using ethanol or meth then it no longer is a daily street Yaris imo.
Flex fuel means 98 or E85 works. Problem solved.
E85 is a pump fuel
Is this stock turbo
Love it keep up the great work
How much money has been put into the car currently?! Looks like it would easily be double the retail value now? $100k+ Yarry!
We don’t keep count as it’s development and testing, not one single build, but it would be less than 100K to buy and build it right now/
Andrew is saving Australia's reputation, after all the recent Tennis debacle
ha ha. 👍👍👍
Someone needs to start making kits to drop these lumps into the back of MR2 Spyders.
Id build a Water to Air IC setup
Not practical for a street car or circuit car, which this mostly does. The interchiller is harder to cool down once heat soaked.
Truth in fact these types of intercoolers cool by thermal mass rather than by air flowing through them. A bigger thermal mass gives more heat absorbing capacity that's why the bigger intercooler works better. To cool by airflow u need large surface area and thin design just like a water radiator
Stock Piston and rods???
Stock everything inside engine except valve springs
This is why you simply always just talk to PWR at Yatala and get them to design one.. they're the worlds best when it comes to cooling..
Awesome little car.
More power!!!
500hp yaris to hit 10sec , i thought it would be less for such a small car with AWD
Andrew I love your vids mate
thanks mate
Still chasing the tail of the UK fensport car but getting there is there a way you can remove or slim down the front bumper bar or it's right in front of the most important part of the intercooler I would also create some ducting to the front to channel the air into the intercooler.
Were not chasing their “calculated engine horsepower prediction”
Ours makes more 😁
It's not possible for your car to have more power than the fensport car you only have to compare specs the main one turbo size & boost pressure also cams all of which fensport have more of
Just saying if you're claiming the world's most powerful your turbo will runout of puff trying
@@whatsmining9917 power at the hubs is all that counts
@@nordic5490 🇺🇸 horse power 🤣
how much torque tho
We’ve said numerous tikes we limit torque in the boost control map to 500Nm
Great result process west do quality stuff
Bro have you been working out?
Worlds most powerful? 🤔
Doesn't even need to be a GR version, just give us an AWD, turbo 3 door in the States and let us build the rest.
I want one of these sooooo bad!!!! But we don’t get them in the states.. it sucks . But I can watch you guys (next best thing)
Aren't these AWD? or 4WD?
Yes
I wonder if someone will do an integrated air and oil cooler. Maybe 65mm thick if it will fit and have the top 25mm of it for the oil cooler with an fittings on the oil cooler in and outlet. Might be closer to the best of both worlds if you could run lines to the oil cooler bit of it.
You cant as heat soak from oil cooler will effect intercooler. Combined coolant radiator and oil cooler works
@@MotiveVideo oh interesting. Never thought of that.
Get this thing a dog box 😍
Nice engine
Can I have your old plasmaman one?🙂
Longer and thinner with eat ya dinner
I don't know why Toyota does'nt want to spend the money to develop it's own real Supra but have money to spend on the GR Yaris.
Well, first off, the GR Yaris was SUPPOSED to be a limited production run car, which costs less engineering manufacturing wise, although they now are gradually expanding production afaik. Also, while Toyota doesn't have a longitudinal platform in its lineup, nor any FR car (GT/GR86 borrows the platform), it does have transverse engine designed fronts ready in its engineering toolbox. So to engineer a rally car is cheaper to them than a sports car. If that makes any sense.
@@dragbag1616 Lexus RC and LC does.
It tuck you that long to realize that a large surface area intercooler was needed AMATEURS be the way the music was rubbish.
Someone just ran a 10.9 in US, common boys
You mean Bahrain. They aren't in the US
Is this on stock internals?
Springs and a big $$$ motec
Et niveau fiabilité ça dit quoi ? 😱
get a sequential gear box
That would put car in 9 sec runs
toyota needs to remove the limited production of these and just sell a ton more of these things
4 minutes in and I think that new intercooler will struggle the end tanks are too small it won’t spread the airflow out through the whole core
Spoke too soon 😁
Motive Video I don’t mind being proved wrong
Soooo….you telling me a turbo upgrade is needed next then!?😉
I wonder how fast a twin charged Yaris might be...
Why not add a twin-screw supercharger to it?🤣
Supercharger would mean 20-25% lower performance.
Bottom third of that cooler gotta be pretty useless
Why?
@@MotiveVideo the flows gonna be having a hard time bending round that end tank down into the bottom surely, maybe 1/3 was an exaggeration
I guess theres a flow seperater/diverter in there to help
i see no 500hp. baited
That hub doesn't have a 5. 🤔 You were already 500+ if you converted to engine, BUT you yourself said doing that is BS in your dyno comparo video, so saying it in your title is a bit hypocritical bro. Now, hurry up, fit those cams already and get the 500 for real next time. 😎👍
It’s just a number I guess at the end of the day, will be a pig to street with those cams.
@@zaksuzuki no it wont. It will run close to factory drivability at low speed
@@Benchmark413 not really what I’m talking about but all good.