175 - An Overseer Found Dead, Secret Memos, CSA Exposed, & A Brave Couple - Meet The 2x2s
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- In this episode we meet Kyle and Kari, a brave couple that has been a support (along with others) to their community of religious disaffiliates as they have been awakened to the realities of their group in shocking ways. What group are we talking about? Meet the Two By Twos, at times referred to as "the no name church", a group that doesn't necessarily have a specific designated name from within, but which has been given names primarily by the secular community. Much like Jehovah's Witnesses, they often refer to their doctrine as The Truth, and they also use similar terminology, such as the friends, the meetings, elders, overseers, worldly, conventions, and more. Sadly, just like Jehovah's Witnesses but more recent, they too have been devastated by allegations of child sex abuse that have come out of the darkness and into the light. This is the story of Kyle and Kari, and the group commonly known today as the 2x2s, the Two By Twos, and The Truth.
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I’m so grateful for this interview. Finding any information on 2x2s, especially current, is so hard. You do good work!
I remember a missionary at bethel dying because she "got stuck in a fold-up bed" and was found later by her husband. As an adult, I wonder what truly happened there.
Accidents certainly happen, but there are also really messed up things that happen in the cult just like there would be anywhere else, as they're just people. I've known of many sad situations, crimes really, that have occurred inside the organization.
The brotherhood protects the brotherhood , even in the fog of war , heat of battle , these Devil's in the flesh are untouchable's
I’d be upset if I went to bethel and only got a fold up bed 😂 I bet it was a single bed too
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@shunnedpodcast thanks for having us on! (This is Kyle)
We had a great time and we love your podcast. The simulations between our old cultures are really amazing.
You’re doing great things! All the best!
It was a pleasure to get to meet you both, and I have so much respect for what you've done and continue to do, even if at some point you just go live your own lives away from supporting others. Everyone should get a chance to live free from these groups, and I'm glad that you are. Best wishes moving forward, finding yourselves in new ways, and living in happiness, whatever that looks like for you. :)
Great interview!! Thank you all so much for getting the word out there. 🙏🏼
3rd gen Witness and in all my years of being a Witness, I never heard the term 2x2s. I get it, of course. They go door to doors by groups of 2.
I learned something new today, thanks.
Not the same as Witnesses
2x2 means the ministers go out in mission field in same sex pairs. It's similar to JWs but not the same.
Thanks for the story. Hearing there are so many dealing with so much of being in high control groups. My heart goes out to individuals just trying to do the right thing. ❤
Great channel, keep up the good work.
Thank you! Really appreciate this interview. So many similarities
ex 2x2 here (the truth, no name , the way). got out in late 70s when I was a teen. my parents were strict strict strict and my father abusive. so very cult and shunny for sure
East coast Milford convention a brother worker snapped antennas off. I know people in CA who grew up with Christmas trees, wore their hair down. So many differences coast to coast
They did in PA , too.
The similarities are shocking.
Wow....what a story!!
Thanks for the interview! Sounds like a subdivision of JW org
Spiritual = Imaginary. JW publications use it a lot as well. 17:46
Sounds practically identical to JW culture and thinking.
However, w/ all the CSA & SA coming out & Yes, the workers & friends Absolutely Know What's Going On bc I've heard from my family & friend's who Are Shocked but are Praying & Very Supportive of & for The Victims. A lot of people I've heard on "other videos or talking to in person from some people who also left that think it's still hidden & that people like my family & friends who still go Are Supposedly Not Supporting The Victims & my experience talking to many That is Not Any of their Reasons for Still Going/or Not Leaving
~All in all I have found many different views, thoughts, experiences both inside & outside the 2x2's
Great story. It's incredible how much it sounds like JW'S 😮
Yes aye, really quite strange. It does sound like it, (minus the Watican HQ).
The lingo, learned sensibilities and behavioural software is as near as makes no difference, interchangeable.
Never heard of that group. Thank you for being on and teaching us about this group. (cult)
Just an observation - but, super awkward watching a wife right in front of her husband on a worldwide platform talk about being bi as well as dating other men. His face! Sorry bro
“Nice” does not always mean GOOD !
In Victorian times, the word ‘nice’ meant the exact opposite of what it means now. At this same time, baby clothes were pink for boys and blue for girls, this also got reversed.
I have traveled the world and easily found others to have fellowship. Since there are no rules and regulations it is different in different areas. It is preached to follow and worship God and not any man. My experience is different and I was encouraged to ask questions and bring anyone to a meeting. I never feel or felt restricted of anything to be accepted but encouraged to be modest and follow the commandments.
It saddens me when I hear others who have been harmed in any way and wish only good things in their lives.
From listening to different people who were in our 2x2 way in videos, I think a lot of our exact feelings abt what we believed were more based on who our family's were for parents or grandparents ~ or maybe it's based on reason leaving bc you were scared to death of going to hell (such as cutting bangs @ age 14) & after high school leaving home & never turning back, but then wanting to go back when older bc your life was a mess from drugs, alcohol etc but either seeing differently of how nice you were treated by the friends in your parents home mtgs. by going back to the fellowship ~but obviously I've heard so many others w/ completely opposite experiences that I have never heard of or seen before in all my childhood yrs or after I had gone back several times throughout adult yrs. I'm in NO WAY saying others are exaggerating things or making things up ~because like I said @ beginning I think it was everyone's different family's who "Gave them their thoughts & ideas"
how we saw ourselves, what we were "taught" how we looked at outside world, having friends from school & just by time stamp 25min for this video & other's I've watched
There are members here in Barbados. I have members who grew up with me and my neighbour is a member. Growing up they could not watch TV. They dress in long sleeves, no jewellry. A school friend of mine became a worker. Religious deception is widespread. Thank God for Jesus🙏
UK church history! I know this one! Weird christian religions started in the UK in the 1800s because the CofE was a state religion. CofE/Anglicanism could only build new churches if they had an Act of Parliement giving permission for them to build it. For each and every new church! Veerrrryyyy slow process.
So the new towns and cities and new city suburbs had no churches for the new populations that moved there. So people started their own bible groups and lay preachers giving Sunday sermons meeting in rented rooms/meeting halls, and people's homes.
So we got Methodists, Wesleyans, and a lot of others that way. It's also why they talk about workers and adult education a lot, because there was also movements for universal education, workers rights and unions, often involving the same people.
Did an ex JW start this group?
ExJWs haven't started anything to do with the 2x2s. I could see where the similarities might lead one to wonder if it was someone formerly JW related that started it though.
No, but they were founded in the same time period.
Things got a bit fishy when they used a fish symbol
May the old gods, the new gods and the gods that haven’t been invented yet bless you in helping people out!!!
This was awesome!!! Thanks for sharing.
I'm now 5 years in to being shunned from JW. Lonely but free!
Sorry, but i can remember going door to door to drop off flyers
Is there a support group anywhere for ex jw's?
I used to run a Facebook group of 2000+ individuals, but today I offer one on one support and coaching through recovery. There are lots of groups on Facebook, one that has a pretty good vibe being The Liberati on there, and there is the very large exjw subreddit at r/exjw. At one point I would host weekly recovery groups online, but it was a lot of work and not always well supported. So you can find one on one support in a safe environment through someone like myself, and you can find lots of groups on Facebook and reddit. Just be aware that in these groups you're often getting support from other people that are hurting too in the same ways, which can be validating, but the advice isn't always the healthiest if people haven't gotten help and demonstrated real change, so take everything with a grain of salt.
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Not directly related to this discussion - i just found that the ‘Church of Scientology’ bought out the C.A.N (Cult Awareness Network) and run it as is after taking it over.
I'm in central Canada and never found another ex JW.
Sounds like a combination of JW and Mormonisn.
Pretty much 😂
Now soft-shunned is kind of like having a semi ... correct?
In french they say: " les amis de la vérité " 😂😂😂
I read history a while back that Jw’s came from the Wm Irvine group in 1914.
Iola? I'm from Iola
Not true
It stops with you. God will deliver you from generational sins. God sees. God knows. God cares. ✝️
when i look up friends i get Quakers
Sit down and rest until the dizziness passes.
*_/some humour/_*
@@De5O54 lol omg now i get it
*_/smiles/_*
I think they are connected
@@Annewelch435not connected but similar.
Why do you keep
"labeling" yourselves???
"Disfellowshipping" is not "shunned."
It is defamation of Character, which folks need to SUE.
There is no such "word" to GOD. JESUS came to SAVE, not "condemn folks!!!"