This is one of the most important things I've witnessed in my 64 years. Wow. Thank you. Plus, I had a personal connection with the man in this story who took his own life. This guy is telling the truth.
Oh man. I’m so sorry for your loss-and the loss of him to the rest of us. It’s so hard, whether it’s a loss to a crime, drugs, suicide. Cut short and the waves spread out away from it out across the world. ♥️
Beloved Nick and Amanda, I am an 80 year old woman born and raised in the church, attended BYU and married a non married man who the church brought in from another country. After three children and in wanting them to learn about God, I only fell onto their other side. I won’t go into details, but when the church dropped me from a Mormon in good standing to one who was a lost soul I lived what I called two years of a dark night of the soul. After that time I know I was free to live my life as a free soul. You will realize the path you took is the beginning of freedom and finally happiness. Keep moving forward…find your joy and stand tall and walk proud. Much love being sent your way.
@@Vetionarian Consider that this person is going forward in life with a faith that is more confident, rewarding, and sustaining. Not sure what your comment is based in. I hope it's a genuine question and not something negative meant to tear down an internet stranger who has shared her personal experience.
Your message is so beautiful, it gives me chills. If people could wake up. In fact, it is high time for Jesus to return because there are too many false religions and too many wars over these false religions. Yes now you are a free soul and I'm so glad for you ❤❤❤
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Nick's Personal Molestation story doesn't check out. (copied from another post) 1. The Young Men's President and the Scout Master have always been two different callings. Not one and the Same. 2. The Young Men's President and the Scout Master would have only Dealt with Kids over the Age of 12. 3. Nick would have been 8 years old at the time this happened. (According to his timeline) He would have been a brand new Cub Scout. 4. The church did not allow sleepovers for kids that age. The 11 year old kids had one overnight camp, and that involved having the fathers there. Nick is a Narcissist and a fraud. Do some math on this kid.
That goes even beyond Mormonism, I DO NOT understand why sex offenders are so often hidden by organizations, religious or otherwise, and even when turned in to law enforcement, are often given such light sentences.
The most important thing I have heard in years: “There’s power in us. Period. They are trying to take it from you and tell you that they gave it to you.” Wow. Thank you for sharing. Beautiful wisdom.
Right? how many times Ive heard god_lives - jesus_forgives & the devil made me do it. STOP passing the buck! OWN your strengths - Its as simple as cause & effect. LOVE & be loved
Great discussion. My wife and I along with 4 of our 5 children left parted ways with the LDS church a little over one year ago. Our love for others has increased in ways I never knew was possible. We love life and we now love others the way Christ taught. Thank you all for your bravery. Our prayers are with you.
Mad respect! Our neighbors for 24 years were Mormon for the entire time until maybe 2019, they never said anything when they left the church, we found out when my daughter ran into the husband/dad at the local bar!😸 They have always been great neighbors, still are. They are much more noisy now when they have parties, but not loud enough to be annoying. Two of our children spent a lot of time there, our daughter had an enormous crush on one son, maybe even loved him. But in order to date he asked her to meet with his Bishop and there is no way that girl will fit into anyone’s box. Congratulations on your freedom.
I was born in the church, baptized at 8, seminary graduate, RM & married in temple. Left the church 43 years ago. Still deconstructing. Nick’s story helped me. MSP helps me. Thanks to you all.
@@alstewart6870 Biblical Jesus’s sermon on the Mount are words I live by. These ethical and moral guidelines make it impossible for me to: (1) Follow Mormon “prophets” or “apostles” who caused the church to be fined by the SEC; (2) be an evangelical Christian because they believe in a false prophet named Donald Trump; or (3) be a Republican anymore because they violate every ethical and moral teaching of Jesus’s beatitudes. I would not build a wall. I would make a longer table to share the blessings I have as an American with the hungry, the naked, the poor and those less fortunate. Sadly, many so-called “Christians” are the antitheses of the Biblical Jesus’s teachings. They draw near to Him with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. “Christians” today are some of the most judgmental and disgusting people on this planet. In fact, most religious people today are very poor examples of Biblical Jesus’s teachings. Sad to say it.
It is so rare for even exmormon men to admit that big callings feel special and that it made them feel good and important. It’s the unspoken thing you don’t hear said out loud a lot.
Not only that, but as I deconstructed, I realized that everyone serves in the church to receive recognition and significance. You cannot convince me that not one person is seeking the validation from someone that they look up to, or consider a superior. People will say that they do it for God, because that's what we're taught to say. It's hypocritical though, because they're just not being honest with themselves. God is abstract. We really have nothing to prove his existence as being an involved, loving father who created our spirits. Now, in not saying that these people are bad, wicked, or whatever... I'm just saying it's human. It's time we all start being honest with ourselves.
You do realize that do this have a belief in God? I can see how this is abstract to you, maybe you don't believe or have other circumstances. But for those with actual belief we have a desire to work and serve our Lord. My father has no say in what I do and I don't care what others think. I only do what I do for myself and the be my best self before God.
"The fact that a woman comes into my ward every week who doesn't have two pennies to rub together and she pays $8, y'all, in tithing. And here's the problem: She writes $8 on the tithing slip but there's $11 in the envelope because she can't even count it. It's not ok to rob these poor people when you have hundreds of billions of dollars and it only cost half a billion dollars a year to operate the entire church. I've read the Widow's Mite Reports. It doesn't cost a fraction of what they gain in interest in a quarter to operate the entire church and to build all the temples that ol' Rusty wants to build. ... It makes me angry that we are robbing these people and telling them they are going to be blessed. It's not ok." -Nick Jones
I think about that all the time as a never mormon. My brother married a woman whose mother was a practicing mormon. When her husband died she gave thousands to the church and she's 65+ and still having to work. She needed that money as a single person. She can't afford to live on her own and still giving them money. It's nuts.
And I’m sure this lady isn’t the only one! It’s such a scam in this church that we are taught that this is the LORDS SACRED FUNDS! Yet cedar creek mall was built in tithing funds! Oh but they will say the interest of the investments built it.. WHAT DOES IT MATTER? It’s all the Lords Money!!
I am in my 70's and we left the church officially 9 yrs ago. I gain so much when I take the time to listen to these stories. Luckily , for us our 7 children (born 1976-1984) also left at the same time so we had support but it is a difficult and rewarding even this late in life. Thank you for your bravery and honesty it is uplifting. Our son in law was a bishop in Memphis when he resigned, I understand your pain. We paid tithes when we couldn't afford shoes our kids needed, and I am angry that it took us so long to see the truth but we are now thriving
Good thing you defied the law of tithing and are now living the gospel as you see fit!! What a special thing that must be to have created the gospel according to you!
Also 70 and feel the freedom after 40 yrs being LDS. To help others as I continue my new beginning I make a monthly pledge to a charity which rescues gay children who were tossed out by their families, became addicted to drugs, or who are running from abuse and living off the street. They are given a chance to finish school, get a job, eat healthy food, receive a warm place to live and free counselling. Also “kids help phone”. I try to give to them as they talk to children 24/7 who are attempting suicide or are abused and have no where or no one to talk with. I’m not rich but instead of paying tithing to a billion dollar LDS company, I know I can help the troubled youth who are the future of this world. Trust me many are LDS children or from other such religions who are disposed of or shunned because they don’t fit the mould. Every penny helps. Thank you for sharing…
@@joanoflondonyou should share the name of the organization so that people can check them out and maybe even support, this is a noble cause truly. Thank you for sharing
I’m on the replay crew, but this guy has all my respect. He IS a good man - in every sense of the word. He and his wife are lovely people. May God bless you.
My second comment. I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and have listened to your story and want to let you know that in my opinion you are a very honorable man and very brave and honest. Thank you for sharing your story. You’re ward members will miss such a man as you.
I'm at the very beginning of my faith crisis, but I was thinking something very similar. I was thinking how wonderful it would be if all bishops were like Nick Jones. What a kindhearted soul. I have watched several Mormon Stories podcasts as I am trying to figure out what I believe and none of them have pricked my heart like this one did.
MORMONISM is POLYTHEISTIC..belief in many gods ..(D&C man is what god once was and godvis what man mat become) another gospel and christ...as we share the Holy Spirit in Christ. My LORD , THE LAMBBOF GOD PAID FINISHED.. Grace.
MORMONISM DOCTRINE IS NOT CHRISTIAN..TO personally accept CHRIST. HIS WORK alone..paid. FINISHED..INNER SPIRIT IN CHRIST told me those men have no right to monitor ...CHRIST 'S BLOOD PAID.
Nick, when you said Korea, I wondered if we lived in the same area. I was about your age. My family was in Korea between ‘85-‘90. Then you mentioned your abuser’s name and my jaw dropped. I clasped my hand over my mouth. We were in the same branch together. Thank you for sharing your Mormon story and having the courage to follow your moral compass here. Best wishes to your family moving forward with your newly found freedoms. Sounds like you have already experienced more genuine connections and love with the world and the people in it. ❤️
VERY INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU! One of my brother's was a High Priest and another brother was a Bishop. They never had much to do with me. Both are now deceased! I tried to tell them about Jesus Christ of the Bible; Far different than the Mormon Jesus!
Dear Nick and Amanda ; For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten SON, that Whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. JOHN 3: 16 That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised HIM from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation. ROMANS 10: 9 & 10. LOVE YOUR FAMILY VERY MUCH! PRAISE GOD!
41234 Harper Lake Rd. Hinkley Ca is stolen property according to my signed notarized affidavit. Anyone opposing, they will remove, no matter how dirty it gets, they ran over me 3 times with 2 vehicles, then had me arrested where I did 3 years and all I did was witness multiple felonies they committed. Then they stole everything I owned based on lie after lie about me. "Spiritual Indian, INSANE!!!"
Back when Covid hit, I had to close down my home daycare, and I went to ask the church to help me with on my mortgage, and the bishop that is my brother (biological brother) said NO....he said if the church paid for it I would most likely come back to get help....that was painful to me, I was so embarrassed and did not know how fast to run away, that little still voice spoke to me and said to be silent....I looked at my brother and said, ok, and walked away, and never went back. My brother being a leader doesn't even call our mother, nor does he come to visit her....but when it comes to what we should do with her, his response was to put her in a home....I've been going through a very spiritual awakening....and I am glad that I walked away, and haven't looked back...
I had an in home daycare. I often watched children for free for women in my ward who were visiting teaching. After leaving and getting disfellowshiped no LDS friends. My X did pornography. Was shocked. Very little sex. No intercourse because he didn't want more children. We had 4. So still having "feelings" for being attractive I wrote to a prisoner. It was discovered. I was shamed to the core. I didn't feel loved. We divorced. I divorced him. I'm in a better place. I'm now 73. The kids are adults and are my friends. I have a loving husband and a dog and a cat who love me a lot.
I have a lifelong friend that is Mormon. She has struggled with mental health and drug issues. She has been clean now for 4 years and the church helped. For me, our friendship (with the church involved) feels the same as when she was doing drugs on the street except I'm not sick with worry that she will be found dead somewhere. I miss our friendship so much but I'm also so proud of her and her progress I guess I will watch from afar and just cheer her on.
That’s horrible. And he will hopefully regret that, he didn’t help his own family, when all Jesus did was preach about helping widows, and their children the sick and elderly and poor and lonely, and disabled, even people in prison he said to visit them and help them, anyone that needed help. He told the hypocrites “I do not know ye for what you habe done to the lest of my people you have done to me”:He would have been furious at your brother like he was at the hypocrites for denying and neglecting his flock. He said to them I do not know ye! Jesus gave examples of who needed the help the most, that the hypocrites did not help. Because they were selfish and full of themselves so Jesus let them know they would not be in his kingdom with him for cruelly ignoring them. My friends were LDS and they had no food in the house to feed 5 little girls, one a baby, and the others 3, 5, 7, & 8 so I bought sacks and sacks of groceries and surprised them after their stupid bishop asked them to wait 4 days. With no food for those sweet children. He knew they had nothing left but oranges and graham crackers. Which they ate for supper. And I said to my ex, those children and our friends won’t suffer on my watch, I’m helping them and you can do nothing! He actually introduced me to them, he had know them since they were teens. And to think he wouldn’t even help those little angels disgusted me or help his friends. My friend cried when I showed up. I felt horrible, the kids just started attacking the bags, and getting food. I wrote down things she had said she needed and increased it by a whole bunch. I wish I had been there to offer you help and support. I’m sorry you had to endure that and one day I think that church is gonna fall down. John never likes to say it’s a cult, but it is a very rich cult, who took from their most vulnerable. My friends I helped had given them a lot of their inheritance they received when I begged them to save it for their children and a rainy day. I never asked but I think the church received the bulk of it and then didn’t help them! They could have saved or invested the money! Instead the church greedily invested it! I truly think the church of LDS will one day fall. Scientology is falling and they say LDS and Scientology are a lot alike, but LDS is smarter about advertising, and keeping their secrets, but now with the internet we see what they do! This is no Jesus Christ like compassion they show. They revere a huckster grifter Joe Smith as a God, who believed in the occult. It hurts me to hear you got hurt.,
This bishop has a heart of gold. He is the kind of bishop that every bishop should be. I would like to say to you, God bless you. You are a true Christian.
Its important for strong men like this former Bishop to speak out so that the church can improve and even change into a better church. The church culture of Mormonism sucks, i hate it but I still love the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.
I said the same thing! :D What a good man! All bishop's should be like Nick Jones. They were so lucky to have him while they did. :) My heart really goes out to he and his family. I hope and pray that he is treated with the kindness, respect, and dignity that he and his sweet family so deserve.
You say you don’t know about anything besides wood floors, you are a very smart man and emotionally strong and are giving soooo much of yourself by doing what you did! So Brave!
A never Mormon here. I grew up with a best friend who was. These stories, even to me are so impactful and confirming as to what I have always seen and thought about organized religion. It's about power, control, money. You do not need a church to be spiritual, and/or believe, etc. As a non believer mom and wife with a transgender daughter - I love you and accept you for who you are.
@@rosehannah4845 Not True. Jesus said we shouldn't judge..ie..point out other's sins without first reconciling our own sins and first removing the log from our own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's eye. Matthew 7:1-5.
It seems a little unfair to assume their ward members are judging them. Just because someone hasn't made a personal visit doesn't mean they're judging. My husband and I just recently stepped away. He sent an explanation text out to many people in the ward. Many people responded via text. Many did not. I don't know what's in any of their hearts. I'm trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I'm seriously not offended in any way that no one has paid a special visit. I hope that if they see me out and about they will stop and talk with me like before, but if they don't I'm okay with that. The world is much, much bigger than me.
“There is now so enjoy the music”. Thank you. I’m a former bishop when I was released after asking to be I walked out the back door of the chapel and never looked back. So glad to be away from that Mormon cult. It’s been 2.5 years now and it’s been the best thing ever
@@terryberwick760 cult includes the Bible in my eyes, all religion and I mean all are a form of control and the Bible is what these religions are based on. It’s man’s way of controlling other people for gain, greed,or power.
I left the LDS Church because of my Bishop. There was a homeless member of the ward who had been attending for multiple years. Since NOBODY in the ward saw fit to help one of their brothers in christ, i took it upon myself to start an emergency aid fund. I offered up $200 as a first deposit, which was 3/4ths of my paycheck at the time because I was working for minimum wage. I told the Bishop that i knew most members of the ward offer weekly tithes that amount to more than that, and if everyone contributed just ONE tithe to the emergency aid fund, we could provide our homeless ward member with permanent shelter. The Bishop refused, but offered to accept my $200 as a tithe to the Church. I was so shocked that i didn't even take my money back. I just got up and walked out, and never went back.
When people tithe…there are several programs/categories that your tithing can be used for (i.e missionary work, buildings etc. Iʻm thinking you can also write in…where you want your tithe to GO. BUT usually, the Bishop and his counselor/s decide where the $$ is needed. The church has an excellent Social Services program that can TEMPORARILY offer assistance w/housing/shelter costs, food and clothing, counseling…among other things. You schedule an appt with the Bishop and based on your needs, the Bishop will refer you to work w/the Relief Society or the Elderʻs Quorum. Itʻs not the churches responsibility to be responsible and finance any one with their temporal needs. BUT I know their programs because…they helped me…at one point in my life. Every Bishop is different. Some may be more compassionate than others. The wards are comprised of members who live in the area… that may or may not be as compassionate as well. Iʻve been to many wards w/good Bishops, counselors and members. The church has excellent programs for the adults, the youth and the children. If you felt the beed to help this homeless person…GOOD FOR YOU. BUT…donʻt expect others to feel the same. You could advocate for him outside of the church to the many homeless services available. You could pool your resources w/others that are willing to assist this individual. Iʻm sure that Ward was able to help that individual w/some NOT…ALL his needs. Does he have family or friends that can help. Did he apply for State aid? Any homeless shelters in the area? We should never expect ANYONE to totally support us and our responsibilities to take care of ourselves. The less fortunate should be encouraged and given opportunities to be self sufficient..
He had to add his wife as cohost because of the belittling and sexist way he treated the women who worked for him. John is good at coming across as a wide-eyed victim who just wants to "help people," but his dark, manipulative, power-hungry, attention-seeking side is just beneath the surface. A little ironic in light of the shade he throws at LDS Church leaders for those same characteristics. Just google John Dehlin and sexist.
Just wish Margi didn't say, "umhm, yes, etc. after every sentence the guest utters. We know you are there Margin. I like it much better that John is silent and really just lets them speak without editorializing.
Well, if you're in Ghana, and my brother comes knocking on your door to preach the "true gospel," please forgive him. He doesn't know anything outside the lies the church tells him.
I lost my job many years back, and I had a temple recommend. I went in for my bishop's interview a few weeks later and he asked me if I've been paying my tithing. I said, "No, paying my bills and feeding my family was my first priority right now". He did NOT like that answer and immediately asked for my recommend. That was the moment I knew it was membership dues, not a place of god. No loss, the temple was creepy AF. I feel "the spirit" in nature more.
You got it all wrong! The Lord asks us to pay a tithe. It is a test if tour faith. Then you go and the church helps with your needs. If you dont have enough faith to pay tithing first then you do not understand its true purpose. Therefore i assume he figures you dont have enough faith to enter the temple too. Sorry. Search your heart and please pray for your understanding. Discuss with your partner. I do understand as i have been there too.
@patriciashears25 I don't believe I have anything wrong. The lord has not asked me to pay tithe, only men trying to fund extravagant temples and buildings. Why rely on the church when I can pay my own bills. I don't think the lord cares about money, he cares about kindness and goodwill toward man. I'm sorry, but I have no intention going back. I've seen first hand the wasteful spending the church has done with it's members hard earned $. Yes, it goes to some good, but most goes into expanding the Church's real estate. It's business funds, not 'God's' money.
Tithing is not about money it’s about your faith , the lord asking us to pay your tithing not the church or the bishop so don’t get it wrong, you need to pray to God and ask him if everything is true or Not
@christinasitake4481 Been there, done that. It's not about faith, it's about control. I'm not going to be funding the church's frivolous spending anymore. God doesn't need my money. The church does. You can be the most kind, generous person in the world but if your not paying your thithing, your not getting into the temple. Sounds like membership fees under the facade of "faith" to me.
I made it to the brewers tonight (Feb. 1st) to meet with Nick and Amanda, but I only had a few minutes to stay since I was passing through. I wasn’t able to speak to them unfortunately, but I wanted to say how much I appreciate Nick and Amanda’s story and their courage. It is inspiring and powerful. With the other bishops and stake presidents who have reached out to Nick, I think they are low key starting a mini-movement within the church. Kudos.
What a great POD cast. I left the church in 2016 as a Mormon Bishop as well. I thought at the time that remaining silent was the best thing to do until I heard Nick’s story. My story is interesting as well and I want it told. Thank you both, John and Nick, for showing others the way.
Same. I've been listening to Mormon Stories Podcasts for a few months now, and they are all very interesting; this one, though, really pricked my heart like no other. I'm happy for Nick and Amanda for their bravery and integrity to stand up for their truth. I'm also kind of sad for that ward for losing the kind of bishop that all bishop's should be. ;) They were very blessed to have such a good man as their bishop.
I remember the first day I went to work that I wasn’t wearing my garments, I thought for sure I would get in a wreck and my business would fail now because I wasn’t wearing my white Ninja suit underneath my clothes. I ended up not getting in a wreck and dying on the road and to this day it was by far my highest sales day. It’s been 4 years now I’m still trying to deconstruct the belief system I was brought up in. The hard part is I love the people and friends and it’s tough when they still try and tell me not to give up on God. Newsflash! Just because I’m not active in the church nor go to a church does it mean I gave up on God! I’m closer now to God now than I ever felt going to church. I think living your truth and seeing the church through the outside of it opens your eyes to how crazy it all is. I relate to Nick and Amanda on how your heart aches but you’re free finally.
Nick, I am a 54yr convert to the Church of LDS but I am starting to have serious doubts about it all. I can tell you that you have my sincere admiration and your story has been a strong incentive for me to walk away from it all. I have for quite a long time now had doubts about the way the Church is being run. The truth of the matter is that you are still a Christian and so am I, we have to learn what is the correct way to relate to our God. He is true and Jesus is his anointed one so hold your head up high , you have an admirer here. Go with God, sincerely yours G.
There are clear reasons to doubt the current leadership of the church. You have to decide, for yourself, if you can continue to practice a religion which may be run by men who do not practice what they preach. They will tell you the men arent perfect. In reality, they seem to be so far from perfect, they have no place to criticise any of the members. Anyone who can decide to set up shell companies to keep the misuse of tithing money away from the members, deserves a warm place in the afterlife.
I'm 34 an I'm in the church but Im struggling with staying are living. In my heart I don't believe in the book of Mormon I'm a Christian numerous times because I was following others but the last time I got baptized what's in the Mormon church I didn't know anything about the Mormon church until now I feel so uncomfortable when I walk in the church people look at at you and they force their religion on you what should I I don't believe in that
I was just thinking that, I’m only half way through the episode but as it’s only been a month or so out, I have so much hope for their future and could see a Thrive story episode down the line
As much as the culture of the church can be broken with imperfect leaders and members, it still holds the true gospel of Jesus Christ which is a protection and shield for our eternal welfare. I was inactive for 7 years and broke my temple covenants, God told me he loved me just the way I am but my current mortal happiness is equal to that of the terrestial kingdom which I will inheret, I immediately stopped breaking the commandments and returned to church, will need to be rebaptised soon but it was confirmed to me through the spirit that the celestial glory is now back in play.
Love this . ...one more positive influence to help me deconstruct my 54 years of being sexually abused, being a bishops wife, going thru a divorce and being excommunicated, being re baptized ,remarrying and finally having a faith crisis and stuck between shame and fear....I long for a healing heart ❤
@toismith2249 I am so sorry to hear that you have had to go through all of this sexual abuse and then be stuck between shame and fear too. It's like reliving your nightmare over and over. Think about going to a quiet and peaceful place and sit in your car with a big dog and get him/her some ear muffs for 'ear protection', and or a trustworthy girlfriend. Lock the car doors, but open the window a little so you can shout out all your fearful life experiences back to the planet, and in particular to all the ants and all other 'creepy insects' as well! When you have released those feelings, simply forgive yourself for innocently not knowing about 'creepy bugs', When you feel it has released from your soul, give yourself a loving hug, and also deeply thank your trustworthy friend for coming along too. May your life improve in love and kindness to yourself and other's everyday.. 🥰
Having left the church after 40 yrs. I’m watching Mormon podcast, and I never felt so free and true to myself. My God is a kind loving God and I don’t have to pay money to know that. I have a few devout Indigenous friends who follow their beliefs according to ancient teachings. They are so connected to our world and know how to gentle trod and not abuse what Mother Earth and the Creator has provided. Now that is the love I seek to know. They were almost wiped out by settlers, priests, governments, explorers etc, yet they can still try to keep connected to this planet. God bless this couple for sharing and enlightening us all. Stay strong and be your true self. We are the creators children and are not owned by anyone.
Every Mormon should listen to this. I was heartbroken at the abuse!!! I wish every bishop was like Nick. He was such a good example of what bishops SHOULD be!
Uh, no he wasn’t. The guidance for counseling couples? Don’t. Send them to professionals. This man paints himself as the devoted overworked Bishop who had no time for his family but had time to read anti books. There’s WAY more to this than he’s revealing.
@@sarahooten4671 It could however those who are brainwashed usually can not comprehend. (especially a few chosen who's bishop makes sure their bills are paid) LOL
This is by far my favorite guests you’ve ever had I left the church a few years ago and hearing everything this man says rings home two beautiful souls now getting to experience LIFE they’re gonna go far in helping so many 10000x what they did in their church callings
I love when people discover the truth... their truth. So happy this whole family got out and can now live an authentic life. Thank you for sharing your story. Wishing you a happy life. I've been out for decades and have a wonderful life
This may be the most important Mormon Stories interview of recent years. Margi’s gentle way of asking tough questions proves she is the best female co-host EVER. My takeaway- this couple’s journey is going to resonate with so many people. Thank you for sharing your experiences-it’s high time that transparency becomes the norm Change can only occur when the truth is revealed
Hi Amanda and Nick! Thank you for your words your brave and your hearts.❤ I am former member from Czech Republic. 15 years ago quit the Church and your interview helped me to heal old wounds. Good luck in the future in your new life. And thank you very much again for therapy. Tomas
I rarely listen to these personal stories of leaving the church. However, the I watched the episode in which he resigns at the pulpit and ever since then I’ve been anticipating this show. You empowered the members in your ward and now you are empowering many others who are still asleep in the knowledge of who they are. "Sanskrit. The meaning of Christ is the man who woke up who discovered who he really was."
There's so many others on here. I love this channel. I feel each story and grow more as a non believer the more I watch. It has given me tip's and tricks to do coming out the other end.
I am not Mormon but somehow came across this channel and this episode and found it so powerful. I have Mormon friends, who are lovely people, btw, and wanted to know what they believe so listened to gain understanding. While I knew some of the issues I wasn't aware of the ones brought to light here. The pain expressed here was palpable and the issues dealt with are more than bothersome on so many levels and the trauma caused at the hands of indiviudals in a church is almost beyond comprehension, yet there it is. How disturbing. The pain people have to live through, the trauma they have to process - it's almost beyond comprehension that it is done in the name of the church. The belief that a single or group of person are "in charge" of your salvation is what Jesus came to undo. Jesus said so many times that we can live in freedom from shame and sin. That's powerful in the perfect sense of the word. Immediately after listening to this podcast I came across these words that seem like a healing balm for people who have experienced trauma via an entity that tries to take away their value and promote a way of thinking that prescribes such power over a person's destiny: The psychological wounds inflicted on you by the battles of life have made you believe you are less, far less, than you actually are. You are of such massive significance to your Maker that all the resources of omnipotence have been marshaled for your redemption. And part of that redemption is to restore in you a true and accurate vision of yourself as the cherished object of God’s infinite love. The light of the gospel will gradually obliterate your insecurities and heal your sense of significance. It will whisper into your soul over and over again, “You are the one for whom God, in Christ, voluntarily suffered and died. It was all for you. He would have done no less had you been the only person in world in need of rescue from the dark and destructive dominion of sin, shame, and death. God has estimated your value as equivalent to His own life.”
After work, I had no idea I would spend my evening watching this episode in full, but that's exactly what I did. As soon as I saw his resignation video, I've been waiting to hear his story.
I have listened to Mormon Stories podcast for the past 1.5 years as I left my position as full-time on-campus faculty at BYU-Idaho and left the church. It has helped me realize I am not alone. This episode, by far, has been my favorite and the most hard emotional for me. I wish my wife and I could take Amanda and Nick to dinner for a couple of hours and just talk. Thanks for this interview!
I’ve probably watched hundreds of MSP interviews. I think this is the most touching and impactful video I’ve watched yet. Thank you for sharing your stories Amanda and Nick.
This has been a vey inspiring interview. I too experienced sexual abuse and I was sent to the bishop to confess, then I was told to not take sacrament as if I was the sinner. I was 11 and was being abused off and on since 8. I was made to feel as if I was dirty and unworthy. I also felt like everyone at church knew that I was dirty and I couldn’t look anyone in the eyes. It wasn’t until I was in my 20s and I confided in a close friend and she told me it wasn’t my fault. It never crossed my mind that it was never my fault . I still struggle with that voice in the back of my head telling me I’m not worthy.
As a child, evidence everywhere says you are not capable of making certain decisions. We have laws that are supposed to protect children because of this fact. Children who are subjected to this kind of abuse by adults who know better and are often seen as those who can be trusted, are absolutely NOT at fault! PLEASE, if not already, find someone you can trust to help you get through this and to stop believing the lie that you were/are the problem. It is difficult, but you can overcome and Truth will be your advocate!! Blessings for your healing.
Reading this broke my heart. I am so sorry you had to go through that like that. That bishop was soo wrong obviously. Makes me irate! I had some bad experiences with a bishop who ultimately exed me. Yet I saw adulterering (made that word up) men get a slap on the wrist. Make it make sense please. You were an innocent child that was treated with disdain. Disgusting. Sorry hun!
Very sorry for what you went through. Abuse is the fault of the perpetrator NOT the victim. I will literally pray for you dear April that you may feel the healing through our dear Savior's atonement. You are not alone...
This was incredible! Thank you Nick and Amanda for sharing your story. I cried the whole way through it with you. I was born into the church, well I was 3 when my parents joined so I say born into it, and I’ve never known anything else. So leaving was the hardest thing I’ve ever done and continues to be difficult because I lost my social circle. There is so much that you’ve shared that I can relate to and this really helps me to feel I’m not alone and that I’m a good person even though I’ve left. I was treading in 3’ feet of water and now I can stand. Also thanks to John and Margi for making this available to us through Mormon Stories. You are helping so many people to deal with the pain. It’s so true , Nick you mentioned it several times, and that is until you step away you will not see things as those of us who have left see things. It’s a whole new wonderful world out there.
NeverMo from Norway here that got to know a wonderful LDS woman on the Camino in 2022 and grew to get a facination with mormonism. As a result Ive been watching probably a couple hundred hours of this channel in the last few months. (And several other ex-mo and mormon channels on top of that). This is the strongest interview I've seen so far. Kudos to Nick, Amanda and Mormon Stories for sharing these stories.
Seriously, same. I'm a convert-ex-mo, been binging this content for the past few months and I fully agree! This interview is so powerful. I wish I could show it to all the sweet women I still love that are still lost in this system.
This has made my top 5 of all time, John! You and Margie were the perfect hosts, let them speak, and oh my lord, if I can just tell this sweet, courageous, amazing couple, thank you! For being here, for sharing, for being so real. It gets better! It's been 5 years for me and it still hurts. Much love from Tennessee and again, THANK YOU!
Thank you for living a life of integrity. When my brother asked me why I had left the church, I told him it was for integrity. I didn’t want to teach my children something that I did not believe in. It was difficult, very hard. Like jumping off a cliff in the dark. But we have to do the hard things so our children won’t have to. And yes, the world is a beautiful place. Human beings are indescribably beautiful when we see them without walls and without judgment. We are like a field of wildflowers. Each one unique and different, all contributing to the beauty of the whole. Jesus said to love one another. That is all…that is everything.
Even though I don’t believe anymore, it didn’t hit me until the end that Jesus was a carpenter like Nick. I believe Nick is exactly the kind of person that Jesus would have wanted to lead and be an example of love, grace and acceptance. You can see the weight in his eyes of what this has done to him… but it’s one thing he said that really stuck with me that I’ve heard only a handful of times from people who leave high demand religions… you start to really live and love the right now. High demands religions are always like you’ll be happy when you die IF you follow all these rules so suffer now for happiness in death…um No and also the chokehold of guilt to keep you addicted to them. This has been one of the best interviews. Also shout out to Mike and Nemo for the LDS discussion!!!
This is one of the most most authentic and wonderful interviews I have ever seen. This couple are so genuine and their love for each other is beautiful. Thanks Mormon Stories for giving these people a platform to speak their truth.
Wow the LDS Church with $128 Billion, and costs only Half a Billion to operate the whole church?! Didn’t Jesus said: Don’t turn my father’s house into a market?!
I stepped away from the church because i was tired of being shamed. Later i realized that i was normal, just had a rough childhood - but nobody ever asked “why” i did rebellious things like drink coffee, or smoke, or drink, yet they were more than happy to shame me every time i did. Later, i was shocked to find it that the church was lying about so many things and became angry that i put up with all of the shaming from a sham church.
Not a church, a cult. Only the top leaders benefit in any real way-they feed off of all those folks like vampires. The huge amount of SA is also typical of cults-the ultimate way to break people. 😡
Those who are insecure and unable to recognize their own weaknesses tend to percieve other having as having the same cariceristicks. Be careful be wise .
This is the best Mormon stories episode I have ever seen. I was completed mesmerized by their stories and profound insights. My former husband was excommunicated prior to us meeting and I supported him in the process to be rebaptized. They kept asking him to rewrite a statement over and over rehashing the choices that got him excommunicated as well as any current sins. They kept rejecting his letter because it wasn't detailed enough. He became discouraged and wanted to give up. I wouldn't let him (which I regret) and finally they held a council and approved his rebaptism. Later, the stake president admitted they approved it because of the letter I wrote to the council touched their hearts. I was confused because I thought they were supposed to pray about it and get an answer from God. Not the case. He was rebaptized but had an annotation (red flag) on his record permanently. Christ forgives, but clearly the church does not.
When I was called to teach Gospel Doctrine, and I started cross referencing the Bible and it WASN'T adding up- I began realizing that the Mormon church was exactly what Paul warned of in Galatians. I began actually teaching from the Bible WHEN we were supposedly teaching New testament that year and I was released. If you don't stay to their manuals and go into the real Bible doctrine they don't allow that. ALL truth is in the Bible. ANY OTHER gospel than that taught in the New Testament is accursed as the Bible says. Read the Bible and you will find the truth.
@@selfsufficientmamaon one hand, I am glad you got out of the LDS, and if your faith in a god helps you, then I am glad. But that same introspection and skepticism deserves to be aimed at all your preconceptions no? Is there a particular reason why christianity ylu feel shpuld be exempt from your scrutiny?
@alejandrorivas4585 I don't think the commenter was saying Christianity doesn't need to be scrutinized. But that the Bible teaches that believers shouldn't rely on or substitute any other book for the Bible or add to the scriptures. We should always question teachers and not just believe everything, but study the scriptures ourselves and pray for understanding and not just believe blindly what anyone is teaching.
What a beautiful, brave, strong, and emotionally aware man. Super proud of him and his lovely wife. I have learned so much about the human condition and resilience from post Mormons.
Nick and Amanda… I was born in the Mormon church and left a few years ago in my 50’s 45:16 after researching and finding out the Mormon church is false. I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and know my salvation is through Him alone and what He done on the Cross and not all the rules and regulations of the Mormon church. I pray for you both that you find the true Jesus and the peace and joy that He offers with a relationship with Him!🙏🏻
Out of all your Podcasts, this is the best one ever! Nick & Amanda are a breath of fresh air, with their raw honesty, & compassion for others! Thank you for telling your story! I come from a long lineage of Mormons, through both of my mother's parents. Going back to 1850's. My grandparents were very orthodox. As a child, I saw so many things that I didn't agree with. I wasn't treated well by the other girls in my ward. Probably due to mom mom being a divorced woman. Members of the church treated my mom badly, as well! The sisters, held on tightly to their husband's, as if my mom wanted to steal them! My mom stopped going when I was 13, but my siblings, & I were forced to go. My grandparents were racist & that really bothered me! My mother was dating a wonderful black man, whom my siblings, & I adored. My grandparents threatened my mom, that they would disown her, if she married him. That was the end of their relationship. I became a single mom & went back to church at 29, do my son could be baptised, as I still believed in the church, I just couldn't live by their teachings! Plus, I was austricized by the woman for being a divorced, single mom, like I was going to steal husband's! I Don't like the way they treat single moms!!! I left & came back when both my daughters were baptised & soon left, when I dropped my daughters off for mutual & the other girls thought it was funny to lock my daughters out. They walked to the store I was shopping at & vowed to never go back. The last & final time was after the fire in Paradise, Ca Camp Fire, when we escaped with our lives, & house burned down. We went to the church to get household things, that were donated & an older couple on their mission, were trying to get us to go back to church. I told them I didn't believe I needed to go to a bishop to confess my sins, as I have a direct connection, with my Father in Heaven, & no man should come in between that! My daughter & I went back 3 times & everytime we were ignored! No one talked to us, except the missionaries. The 3rd time, we decided to try Relief Society. We sat in the middle, right infront of the speakers. I was waiting for them to say, "We have 2 new people here today." Nothing, absolutely nothing, silence. So strange! We sat in the car & talked, as we were in total shock! We decided to Never go back! In 2020, I prayed to our Father in Heaven, asking him to show me if the Church was the true church. I was led to many scriptures. Read Galations. I saw the video of the temple ceremony, Scary, Lucifer, Really?! I prayed at least 10 times & found the truth! We are the church of Jesus Christ & the temple of our Father in Heaven! We don't need organized Re-Legion! I've had our Father save my life several times & his Holy Spirit has always been with me! I love him with all my heart & soul, mind, & strength! I love all my brothers & sisters, as well! There are other stories, but perhaps for another time! I'm praying for people to wake-up & see the truth, especially my brother! It's still hard to know the church isn't true, because of all my ancestors, that were fooled, & endured that guilt, shame,& fear re-legion! May our Father bless us all & give us eyes to see & ears to hear! Lots of love to you all & thank you Nick & Amanda, for your courage, & strength! You are heros & I admire your truth & honesty! May our Father always bless you! 🙏🏾🥰🙏
Yess. Bishop Jones. You deserve the highest respect and honor. Nothing will change if we stay silent. Thank you Nick and Amanda. This is so important. Thank you for your courage. Thank you for standing up for all of us who feel so helpless to make a change. Thank you John and Margie for creating this platform.
Nick, You remind me of my late father so much. He struggled with our religion and the Bible as a man who was called to preach. He worked a full time day job for the city & came home in the evening to tend to our farm. My dad even made time for his family. It’s a lot of pressure on a man in general. Juggling all the things. I can now reflect back on my dad and realize that he was struggling a lot. Yes, he did have cancer. Even before that I think he struggled with his mental health. Thanks for this. In some weird way it allowed me to understand my dad better, whom I lost at 18. I’m now 40. To his wife Amanda: I see the struggle in your eyes too. Like my father likely did, I also struggle with depression. Don’t diminish your own struggles because you think Nicks are so much worse. The better you take care of yourself the better you can take care of everyone else. Make it your mantra!
I rarely cry through an entire episode of anything!! I bawled through this one!! I appreciate your heart and honesty, Nick and Amanda!! Thank you so much for reaffirming that I AM WORTHY!!
This has been a top 5 Mormon Stories episode for me!! Thank you Nick and Amanda for taking the time to do this interview! I had some good bishops growing up, but your version of bishoping is by far the best I’ve ever heard of! I wish for nothing but the best for you and your family. I know you are feeling so much pain right now, but I hope that you feel the love of those who support you and that outweighs the pain. Thank you John and Margi for having them on and for being so thoughtful and supportive as usual!
I was raised LDS and I left due to my study and found LDS to be in great error. My LDS church experience was amazing!! I actually loved being a Mormon! I am so thankful that I was not molested. I met people I really loved and miss to this day. THANK YOU for your time and sharing your story. I have since become a Christian and I continue to pray and love LDS people. 2 Corinthians 11:4
@@dlariby The Mormon religion, The Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith the false prophet, changes to the religion, POLIGAMY, blood oaths in the Temple, child pedephilia, journal of discourses, D&C , meadows massacre, 1983 Mormon Bombings, church history, and not being Christians.
I'm confused about the verse you've referenced. I believe Paul wrote that as sarcasm because the Corinthians were being so acceptable to false teachers.
You left, loved being a Mormon, miss your LDS friends but are thanking this guy? He’s here to tear down, to bring as many folks out as he can. Keep loving your experience and missing your friends. That’s a much healthier way to leave than what this guy is doing.
@@timedmonds2315 the LDS preaches another Jesus that Paul the Apostle didn’t preach. Jesus Christ said “it is finished” he didn’t say he was going to create a new gospel in the Americas. The scripture also says “if you accept another gospel which we didn’t give” Clearly the Book of Mormon is another gospel which Paul the Apostle didn’t give. The scripture says “if you receive a spirit that we didn’t receive’ the Mormons state they feel a burning of the bosom. That spirit or feeling is not a spirit that Paul the Apostle has spoken about or has received. Clearly LDS have another Jesus and another gospel that is plainly evident in 2COR 11:4
This raw emotion just had me in tears. Christ would NEVER have wanted people to go through this! He is grace, love, mercy, forgiveness. God bless this couple as they traverse freedom in Christ!
One thing that resonates is the lack of support this bishop, maybe all bishops receive from the church. As a licensed therapist, I know what it’s like to listen and carry the problems of my patients. But, counselors, therapists and all mental health workers need to practice self care. My heart goes out to Nick and Amanda. I hope they know that sharing their story has done more good than they may ever know. Thank you John. As usual, you carry the interview with dignity and grace.
I am a life long atheist & have no connection to the Morman church. I also never leave comments. But you two are honest, precious & inspirational people. Be happy in your new lives, with people who appreciate your real value.
I loved, loved, loved this interview! Sending mountains of love, respect and admiration to Nick and Amanda! May they know they are so loved and I pray for their continued strength as they weather this storm.❤️
Powerful stuff John. I’ve been on a hiatus from Mormon Stories for a while and been back a couple weeks and man, you’re coming with some firepower these days. Bravo
Wow... the backstory on how this came out is tough. I can't imagine on a national scale that you're leaving the church. Also, having people edit the video to suit their own interest and then being forced to post it again. This guy comes at this so earnestly and is so clearly empathizing with people he doesn't know. Much love and support for his bravery in doing the right thing in the face of such a large cost to his own person. He's one of the good ones.
I was molested by a family friend from 5-10. My brain fractured and I learned compartamentalizing at an early age and blocked out most of my childhood. My memories returned after I joined the church and while serving my mission. Thank God for a good therapist after a traumatic car accident that only added to my onion layers of PTSD. I'm so thankful for podcasts like this that bring to life that we're not alone in our struggles
This man and his wife are heroes. I know they don’t claim to be but they are. I’m sorry they had to go through what they did but I’m forever grateful they are sharing their stories.
I gotta say that this is a true man in every sense of the word. I hope that his deconstruction journey helps him find freedom and peace just like all of us exmos.
From an ex-mormon, sending you both a big hug and my love! Congratulations, you did the right thing in leaving the religion, you are a free spirit! Thank you for shining your light now more than ever! 🙏💫💜
Nick. You’re the man. I enjoyed listening to your experience. You were a true Shepard to those who needed help and protection in your ward during your time as a bishop. I would’ve appreciated having you as a bishop because you showed you are not only human and compassionate, but understood that no matter how highly ranked you are in the church you are still human and equal to those in your congregation.
"They are trying to take it from you and tell you that they gave it to you. And they're trying to give it a name." This resonated to much with me. He is absolutely right!
Nick and Amanda,it’s hard but gets better quickly. You learn to live with your spouse and kids in a more genuine way. It’s beautiful. Enjoy the ride. Love one another and have joy.
I’m not Mormon, I don’t know any Mormons (I’m in New England) and I’m not sure how I started listening to this video. But I’m coming here to say that I’m so grateful this husband and wife are raising children. They are jewels in our society.
I was never Mormon, but my grandparents were. I have lots of Mormon relatives. Nick and Amanda are amazingly courageous!!! I’m so inspired by their love and honesty. May they both find love and support over the next few months and years for healing. I’m praying for them and their family!!!❤
This was the best Mormon Stories interview I've ever watched. So open and raw. Their leaving took so much courage and do so so publicly (and I'm not even talking about his viral video) takes tremendous guts. I love all the things he did as a bishop and more so the things after he was a bishop (ie 100% full tithe payers!). AMAZING! I hope that their story will be heard thousands of times over to bring people peace after leaving the church 🙏
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This is one of the most important things I've witnessed in my 64 years. Wow. Thank you. Plus, I had a personal connection with the man in this story who took his own life. This guy is telling the truth.
Oh man. I’m so sorry for your loss-and the loss of him to the rest of us. It’s so hard, whether it’s a loss to a crime, drugs, suicide. Cut short and the waves spread out away from it out across the world. ♥️
Margi is such a great cohost. She is so thoughtful and asks great questions.
Agreed!
She really has grown into it beautifully.
I LOVEEEEE MARGI TOO! ♥️ Her perspective is so important
All episodes with Margi are my favorite ❤
She is delightful all things good ❤
Beloved Nick and Amanda, I am an 80 year old woman born and raised in the church, attended BYU and married a non married man who the church brought in from another country. After three children and in wanting them to learn about God, I only fell onto their other side. I won’t go into details, but when the church dropped me from a Mormon in good standing to one who was a lost soul I lived what I called two years of a dark night of the soul.
After that time I know I was free to live my life as a free soul. You will realize the path you took is the beginning of freedom and finally happiness. Keep moving forward…find your joy and stand tall and walk proud. Much love being sent your way.
So you're 100% at peace with dying without faith?
@@Vetionarian Consider that this person is going forward in life with a faith that is more confident, rewarding, and sustaining. Not sure what your comment is based in. I hope it's a genuine question and not something negative meant to tear down an internet stranger who has shared her personal experience.
I'm sorry you had to go through that but I believe Spirit has a hand in everything, to keep us on our soul's true path.
@@shoepandathank you
Your message is so beautiful, it gives me chills. If people could wake up. In fact, it is high time for Jesus to return because there are too many false religions and too many wars over these false religions. Yes now you are a free soul and I'm so glad for you ❤❤❤
I yelled in my car when he said he called the cops on the child sex abuser . That’s awesome !
YESSSSS 🎉
Same!
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Nick's Personal Molestation story doesn't check out. (copied from another post)
1. The Young Men's President and the Scout Master have always been two different callings. Not one and the Same.
2. The Young Men's President and the Scout Master would have only Dealt with Kids over the Age of 12.
3. Nick would have been 8 years old at the time this happened. (According to his timeline) He would have been a brand new Cub Scout.
4. The church did not allow sleepovers for kids that age. The 11 year old kids had one overnight camp, and that involved having the fathers there.
Nick is a Narcissist and a fraud. Do some math on this kid.
One of the best I’ve seen, this man’s’ heart …
That goes even beyond Mormonism, I DO NOT understand why sex offenders are so often hidden by organizations, religious or otherwise, and even when turned in to law enforcement, are often given such light sentences.
The most important thing I have heard in years: “There’s power in us. Period. They are trying to take it from you and tell you that they gave it to you.” Wow. Thank you for sharing. Beautiful wisdom.
For sure, I was thinking, "mic drop!"
Right? how many times Ive heard god_lives - jesus_forgives & the devil made me do it. STOP passing the buck! OWN your strengths - Its as simple as cause & effect. LOVE & be loved
CAN I GET A HELL YEAH?!
@@lilknish you can have over 150 billion of them!!!
@@lilknish HELL YEAH
Great discussion. My wife and I along with 4 of our 5 children left parted ways with the LDS church a little over one year ago. Our love for others has increased in ways I never knew was possible. We love life and we now love others the way Christ taught. Thank you all for your bravery. Our prayers are with you.
Beautiful story. I'm glad you still have Jesus Christ. He IS the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE.
Mad respect! Our neighbors for 24 years were Mormon for the entire time until maybe 2019, they never said anything when they left the church, we found out when my daughter ran into the husband/dad at the local bar!😸 They have always been great neighbors, still are. They are much more noisy now when they have parties, but not loud enough to be annoying. Two of our children spent a lot of time there, our daughter had an enormous crush on one son, maybe even loved him. But in order to date he asked her to meet with his Bishop and there is no way that girl will fit into anyone’s box. Congratulations on your freedom.
Wonderful. Godspeed.
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@@michaelgiles7844 God bless you keep fighting the good fight.
I was born in the church, baptized at 8, seminary graduate, RM & married in temple. Left the church 43 years ago. Still deconstructing. Nick’s story helped me. MSP helps me. Thanks to you all.
MSP? what is this?
Mormon Stories Podcast.
I pray you don’t give up on the biblical Jesus, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater….😢
@@alstewart6870 Biblical Jesus’s sermon on the Mount are words I live by. These ethical and moral guidelines make it impossible for me to: (1) Follow Mormon “prophets” or “apostles” who caused the church to be fined by the SEC; (2) be an evangelical Christian because they believe in a false prophet named Donald Trump; or (3) be a Republican anymore because they violate every ethical and moral teaching of Jesus’s beatitudes. I would not build a wall. I would make a longer table to share the blessings I have as an American with the hungry, the naked, the poor and those less fortunate. Sadly, many so-called “Christians” are the antitheses of the Biblical Jesus’s teachings. They draw near to Him with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. “Christians” today are some of the most judgmental and disgusting people on this planet. In fact, most religious people today are very poor examples of Biblical Jesus’s teachings. Sad to say it.
@alstewart6870 God bless you.
It is so rare for even exmormon men to admit that big callings feel special and that it made them feel good and important. It’s the unspoken thing you don’t hear said out loud a lot.
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Not only that, but as I deconstructed, I realized that everyone serves in the church to receive recognition and significance. You cannot convince me that not one person is seeking the validation from someone that they look up to, or consider a superior. People will say that they do it for God, because that's what we're taught to say. It's hypocritical though, because they're just not being honest with themselves. God is abstract. We really have nothing to prove his existence as being an involved, loving father who created our spirits.
Now, in not saying that these people are bad, wicked, or whatever... I'm just saying it's human. It's time we all start being honest with ourselves.
You do realize that do this have a belief in God? I can see how this is abstract to you, maybe you don't believe or have other circumstances. But for those with actual belief we have a desire to work and serve our Lord. My father has no say in what I do and I don't care what others think. I only do what I do for myself and the be my best self before God.
@@trevorlanning4350have you served a mission Trevor?
@@andrewmorgan4510 I am about to.
Nick and Amanda, what you are doing IS heroics. You’re saving people indirectly. Thank you x10000 for sharing. Y’all ARE superheroes.
This should be required for ALL Mormons to watch. The WHOLE thing.
oh ya, the Mormon church will really support that!
@@RobertBrownlee-r1x NewportSolar used the word should.
I agree that the Mormon Church would not allow. Understatement.
"The fact that a woman comes into my ward every week who doesn't have two pennies to rub together and she pays $8, y'all, in tithing. And here's the problem: She writes $8 on the tithing slip but there's $11 in the envelope because she can't even count it. It's not ok to rob these poor people when you have hundreds of billions of dollars and it only cost half a billion dollars a year to operate the entire church. I've read the Widow's Mite Reports. It doesn't cost a fraction of what they gain in interest in a quarter to operate the entire church and to build all the temples that ol' Rusty wants to build. ... It makes me angry that we are robbing these people and telling them they are going to be blessed. It's not ok." -Nick Jones
So many powerful quotes on this episode!
I think about that all the time as a never mormon. My brother married a woman whose mother was a practicing mormon. When her husband died she gave thousands to the church and she's 65+ and still having to work. She needed that money as a single person. She can't afford to live on her own and still giving them money. It's nuts.
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And I’m sure this lady isn’t the only one! It’s such a scam in this church that we are taught that this is the LORDS SACRED FUNDS! Yet cedar creek mall was built in tithing funds! Oh but they will say the interest of the investments built it.. WHAT DOES IT MATTER? It’s all the Lords Money!!
Don’t be weird
I am in my 70's and we left the church officially 9 yrs ago. I gain so much when I take the time to listen to these stories. Luckily , for us our 7 children (born 1976-1984) also left at the same time so we had support but it is a difficult and rewarding even this late in life. Thank you for your bravery and honesty it is uplifting. Our son in law was a bishop in Memphis when he resigned, I understand your pain. We paid tithes when we couldn't afford shoes our kids needed, and I am angry that it took us so long to see the truth but we are now thriving
Good thing you defied the law of tithing and are now living the gospel as you see fit!! What a special thing that must be to have created the gospel according to you!
I remember paying tithes when my kids needed things. I feel so bad about it now.
Major respect that he’s real about it
Also 70 and feel the freedom after 40 yrs being LDS. To help others as I continue my new beginning I make a monthly pledge to a charity which rescues gay children who were tossed out by their families, became addicted to drugs, or who are running from abuse and living off the street. They are given a chance to finish school, get a job, eat healthy food, receive a warm place to live and free counselling. Also “kids help phone”. I try to give to them as they talk to children 24/7 who are attempting suicide or are abused and have no where or no one to talk with. I’m not rich but instead of paying tithing to a billion dollar LDS company, I know I can help the troubled youth who are the future of this world. Trust me many are LDS children or from other such religions who are disposed of or shunned because they don’t fit the mould. Every penny helps. Thank you for sharing…
@@joanoflondonyou should share the name of the organization so that people can check them out and maybe even support, this is a noble cause truly. Thank you for sharing
"I was told to stand down... So I reported it to the police anyway." 💀
I’m on the replay crew, but this guy has all my respect. He IS a good man - in every sense of the word. He and his wife are lovely people. May God bless you.
Well said.
Do you know them?
What’s a “replay crew?”
My second comment.
I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and have listened to your story and want to let you know that in my opinion you are a very honorable man and very brave and honest. Thank you for sharing your story. You’re ward members will miss such a man as you.
Agree
I'm at the very beginning of my faith crisis, but I was thinking something very similar. I was thinking how wonderful it would be if all bishops were like Nick Jones. What a kindhearted soul. I have watched several Mormon Stories podcasts as I am trying to figure out what I believe and none of them have pricked my heart like this one did.
MORMONISM is POLYTHEISTIC..belief in many gods ..(D&C man is what god once was and godvis what man mat become) another gospel and christ...as we share the Holy Spirit in Christ. My LORD , THE LAMBBOF GOD PAID FINISHED.. Grace.
MORMONISM DOCTRINE IS NOT CHRISTIAN..TO personally accept CHRIST. HIS WORK alone..paid. FINISHED..INNER SPIRIT IN CHRIST told me those men have no right to monitor ...CHRIST 'S BLOOD PAID.
What is the difference between a Mormon temple and the church?
Nick, when you said Korea, I wondered if we lived in the same area. I was about your age. My family was in Korea between ‘85-‘90. Then you mentioned your abuser’s name and my jaw dropped. I clasped my hand over my mouth. We were in the same branch together. Thank you for sharing your Mormon story and having the courage to follow your moral compass here. Best wishes to your family moving forward with your newly found freedoms. Sounds like you have already experienced more genuine connections and love with the world and the people in it. ❤️
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VERY INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU! One of my brother's was a High Priest
and another brother was a Bishop. They never had much to do with me. Both are now deceased! I tried to tell them about Jesus Christ of the Bible;
Far different than the Mormon Jesus!
Dear Nick and Amanda ; For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten SON, that Whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. JOHN 3: 16
That if you confess with your mouth the
Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised HIM from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation. ROMANS 10: 9 & 10.
LOVE YOUR FAMILY VERY MUCH!
PRAISE GOD!
Bishop Larry Krepps 6129 Andalusia Ave Riverside CA is a fraud bishop
41234 Harper Lake Rd. Hinkley Ca is stolen property according to my signed notarized affidavit. Anyone opposing, they will remove, no matter how dirty it gets, they ran over me 3 times with 2 vehicles, then had me arrested where I did 3 years and all I did was witness multiple felonies they committed. Then they stole everything I owned based on lie after lie about me. "Spiritual Indian, INSANE!!!"
This episode is huge. Amanda and Nick y’all are so strong and inspiring.
-fellow exmo southerner
Back when Covid hit, I had to close down my home daycare, and I went to ask the church to help me with on my mortgage, and the bishop that is my brother (biological brother) said NO....he said if the church paid for it I would most likely come back to get help....that was painful to me, I was so embarrassed and did not know how fast to run away, that little still voice spoke to me and said to be silent....I looked at my brother and said, ok, and walked away, and never went back. My brother being a leader doesn't even call our mother, nor does he come to visit her....but when it comes to what we should do with her, his response was to put her in a home....I've been going through a very spiritual awakening....and I am glad that I walked away, and haven't looked back...
I had an in home daycare. I often watched children for free for women in my ward who were visiting teaching. After leaving and getting disfellowshiped no LDS friends. My X did pornography. Was shocked. Very little sex. No intercourse because he didn't want more children. We had 4. So still having "feelings" for being attractive I wrote to a prisoner. It was discovered. I was shamed to the core. I didn't feel loved. We divorced. I divorced him. I'm in a better place. I'm now 73. The kids are adults and are my friends. I have a loving husband and a dog and a cat who love me a lot.
The cult does not bring families together it separates them.
I have a lifelong friend that is Mormon. She has struggled with mental health and drug issues. She has been clean now for 4 years and the church helped. For me, our friendship (with the church involved) feels the same as when she was doing drugs on the street except I'm not sick with worry that she will be found dead somewhere. I miss our friendship so much but I'm also so proud of her and her progress I guess I will watch from afar and just cheer her on.
Wow! Such an evil religion.
That’s horrible. And he will hopefully regret that, he didn’t help his own family, when all Jesus did was preach about helping widows, and their children the sick and elderly and poor and lonely, and disabled, even people in prison he said to visit them and help them, anyone that needed help. He told the hypocrites “I do not know ye for what you habe done to the lest of my people you have done to me”:He would have been furious at your brother like he was at the hypocrites for denying and neglecting his flock. He said to them I do not know ye!
Jesus gave examples of who needed the help the most, that the hypocrites did not help.
Because they were selfish and full of themselves so Jesus let them know they would not be in his kingdom with him for cruelly ignoring them. My friends were LDS and they had no food in the house to feed 5 little girls, one a baby, and the others 3, 5, 7, & 8 so I bought sacks and sacks of groceries and surprised them after their stupid bishop asked them to wait 4 days. With no food for those sweet children. He knew they had nothing left but oranges and graham crackers. Which they ate for supper.
And I said to my ex, those children and our friends won’t suffer on my watch, I’m helping them and you can do nothing! He actually introduced me to them, he had know them since they were teens. And to think he wouldn’t even help those little angels disgusted me or help his friends. My friend cried when I showed up.
I felt horrible, the kids just started attacking the bags, and getting food. I wrote down things she had said she needed and increased it by a whole bunch. I wish I had been there to offer you help and support. I’m sorry you had to endure that and one day I think that church is gonna fall down. John never likes to say it’s a cult, but it is a very rich cult, who took from their most vulnerable. My friends I helped had given them a lot of their inheritance they received when I begged them to save it for their children and a rainy day.
I never asked but I think the church received the bulk of it and then didn’t help them! They could have saved or invested the money! Instead the church greedily invested it! I truly think the church of LDS will one day fall. Scientology is falling and they say LDS and Scientology are a lot alike, but LDS is smarter about advertising, and keeping their secrets, but now with the internet we see what they do! This is no Jesus Christ like compassion they show. They revere a huckster grifter Joe Smith as a God, who believed in the occult. It hurts me to hear you got hurt.,
This bishop has a heart of gold. He is the kind of bishop that every bishop should be. I would like to say to you, God bless you. You are a true Christian.
He’s not a bishop anymore you can keep him 🙌
Anybody would be honored to have him. And his wife.
Mormons are not Christians. Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the same as the one in the Book Of Mormon.
Its important for strong men like this former Bishop to speak out so that the church can improve and even change into a better church. The church culture of Mormonism sucks, i hate it but I still love the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.
I said the same thing! :D What a good man! All bishop's should be like Nick Jones. They were so lucky to have him while they did. :) My heart really goes out to he and his family. I hope and pray that he is treated with the kindness, respect, and dignity that he and his sweet family so deserve.
You say you don’t know about anything besides wood floors, you are a very smart man and emotionally strong and are giving soooo much of yourself by doing what you did! So Brave!
Agreed 100% he’s an amazing person with the big heart ❤️
wood floors are a fixed entity...an org is not.
A never Mormon here. I grew up with a best friend who was. These stories, even to me are so impactful and confirming as to what I have always seen and thought about organized religion. It's about power, control, money. You do not need a church to be spiritual, and/or believe, etc. As a non believer mom and wife with a transgender daughter - I love you and accept you for who you are.
What beautiful hearts of honesty and integrity these two have. Everyone in their ward who is judging them should be ashamed of themselves.
Especially when Jesus taught us not to judge others.
They are brainwashed and shunning is a learned behavior in the church. Some don’t have any emotional depth. In some ways I pity those kind of people
@@rosehannah4845 Not True. Jesus said we shouldn't judge..ie..point out other's sins without first reconciling our own sins and first removing the log from our own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's eye.
Matthew 7:1-5.
@@johns1834 no one is without sin, remember? Unless it’s you? You the perfectly reconciled man with gods go ahead to judge?
It seems a little unfair to assume their ward members are judging them. Just because someone hasn't made a personal visit doesn't mean they're judging. My husband and I just recently stepped away. He sent an explanation text out to many people in the ward. Many people responded via text. Many did not. I don't know what's in any of their hearts. I'm trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I'm seriously not offended in any way that no one has paid a special visit. I hope that if they see me out and about they will stop and talk with me like before, but if they don't I'm okay with that. The world is much, much bigger than me.
“There is now so enjoy the music”. Thank you. I’m a former bishop when I was released after asking to be I walked out the back door of the chapel and never looked back. So glad to be away from that Mormon cult. It’s been 2.5 years now and it’s been the best thing ever
It IS a cult. I hope that my dear friends can soon see the truth and be set free from it. Thank you for your honest labeling!
Glad you saw reality! I hope all is well for you!
A cult is any religion that honours something other than the bible. Well that's the definition. The book of Mormon qualifies the cult definition
@@terryberwick760 cult includes the Bible in my eyes, all religion and I mean all are a form of control and the Bible is what these religions are based on. It’s man’s way of controlling other people for gain, greed,or power.
AMEN ! similar here
I left the LDS Church because of my Bishop.
There was a homeless member of the ward who had been attending for multiple years. Since NOBODY in the ward saw fit to help one of their brothers in christ, i took it upon myself to start an emergency aid fund.
I offered up $200 as a first deposit, which was 3/4ths of my paycheck at the time because I was working for minimum wage. I told the Bishop that i knew most members of the ward offer weekly tithes that amount to more than that, and if everyone contributed just ONE tithe to the emergency aid fund, we could provide our homeless ward member with permanent shelter.
The Bishop refused, but offered to accept my $200 as a tithe to the Church. I was so shocked that i didn't even take my money back. I just got up and walked out, and never went back.
Thank you for sharing this story. That had to be hurtful and eye-opening for you. I don't know much about the Mormon faith but I'm learning.
This is horrifying. Why don’t they help people? It’s heartbreaking.
Wow, that’s so sad.
Wow 💔
When people tithe…there are several programs/categories that your tithing can be used for (i.e missionary work, buildings etc. Iʻm thinking you can also write in…where you want your tithe to GO. BUT usually, the Bishop and his counselor/s decide where the $$ is needed.
The church has an excellent Social Services program that can TEMPORARILY offer assistance w/housing/shelter costs, food and clothing, counseling…among other things.
You schedule an appt with the Bishop and based on your needs, the Bishop will refer you to work w/the Relief Society or the Elderʻs Quorum.
Itʻs not the churches responsibility to be responsible and finance any one with their temporal needs. BUT I know their programs because…they helped me…at one point in my life.
Every Bishop is different. Some may be more compassionate than others. The wards are comprised of members who live in the area… that may or may not be as compassionate as well.
Iʻve been to many wards w/good Bishops, counselors and members.
The church has excellent programs for the adults, the youth and the children.
If you felt the beed to help this homeless person…GOOD FOR YOU. BUT…donʻt expect others to feel the same. You could advocate for him outside of the church to the many homeless services available. You could pool your resources w/others that are willing to assist this individual.
Iʻm sure that Ward was able to help that individual w/some NOT…ALL his needs. Does he have family or friends that can help. Did he apply for State aid? Any homeless shelters in the area?
We should never expect ANYONE to totally support us and our responsibilities to take care of ourselves. The less fortunate should be encouraged and given opportunities to be self sufficient..
The best thing about the podcast is YOUR WIFE AS A COHOST, very respectful, knowledgeable, very calm, emphatic. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
He had to add his wife as cohost because of the belittling and sexist way he treated the women who worked for him. John is good at coming across as a wide-eyed victim who just wants to "help people," but his dark, manipulative, power-hungry, attention-seeking side is just beneath the surface. A little ironic in light of the shade he throws at LDS Church leaders for those same characteristics. Just google John Dehlin and sexist.
@@faithisnotblindpodcast????????
Don't believe everything you see or hear from them. After all, for decades they were the ones who were very very active in faith deceiving others.
Just wish Margi didn't say, "umhm, yes, etc. after every sentence the guest utters. We know you are there Margin. I like it much better that John is silent and really just lets them speak without editorializing.
Random African lady obsessed with mormon stories! My husband thinks I'm crazy.
❤😂
I'm a 68 year old Catholic woman in Australia who is very interested in these stories as well.
@@margenn3889 and here we thought we were the only ones with sexual abuse cases beig swept under the rug.
Well, if you're in Ghana, and my brother comes knocking on your door to preach the "true gospel," please forgive him. He doesn't know anything outside the lies the church tells him.
Lol solo mum in new zealand definitely not Mormon obsessed 2😂
I lost my job many years back, and I had a temple recommend. I went in for my bishop's interview a few weeks later and he asked me if I've been paying my tithing. I said, "No, paying my bills and feeding my family was my first priority right now". He did NOT like that answer and immediately asked for my recommend. That was the moment I knew it was membership dues, not a place of god. No loss, the temple was creepy AF. I feel "the spirit" in nature more.
You got it all wrong! The Lord asks us to pay a tithe. It is a test if tour faith. Then you go and the church helps with your needs. If you dont have enough faith to pay tithing first then you do not understand its true purpose. Therefore i assume he figures you dont have enough faith to enter the temple too. Sorry. Search your heart and please pray for your understanding. Discuss with your partner. I do understand as i have been there too.
@patriciashears25 I don't believe I have anything wrong. The lord has not asked me to pay tithe, only men trying to fund extravagant temples and buildings. Why rely on the church when I can pay my own bills. I don't think the lord cares about money, he cares about kindness and goodwill toward man. I'm sorry, but I have no intention going back. I've seen first hand the wasteful spending the church has done with it's members hard earned $. Yes, it goes to some good, but most goes into expanding the Church's real estate. It's business funds, not 'God's' money.
Tithing is not about money it’s about your faith , the lord asking us to pay your tithing not the church or the bishop so don’t get it wrong, you need to pray to God and ask him if everything is true or Not
@christinasitake4481 Been there, done that. It's not about faith, it's about control. I'm not going to be funding the church's frivolous spending anymore. God doesn't need my money. The church does. You can be the most kind, generous person in the world but if your not paying your thithing, your not getting into the temple. Sounds like membership fees under the facade of "faith" to me.
@@patriciashears25 money money money.
I made it to the brewers tonight (Feb. 1st) to meet with Nick and Amanda, but I only had a few minutes to stay since I was passing through. I wasn’t able to speak to them unfortunately, but I wanted to say how much I appreciate Nick and Amanda’s story and their courage. It is inspiring and powerful. With the other bishops and stake presidents who have reached out to Nick, I think they are low key starting a mini-movement within the church. Kudos.
What a great POD cast. I left the church in 2016 as a Mormon Bishop as well. I thought at the time that remaining silent was the best thing to do until I heard Nick’s story. My story is interesting as well and I want it told. Thank you both, John and Nick, for showing others the way.
There has been so many people speaking out recently. There's a lot of truth being revealed and healing happening 🙂
There are many who would like to interview you.. or just do your own video... let them know.. Blessings ✨️
Please do it. Society needs to hear your voice.
So sorry you bailed on the true gospel. What did you exchange it for? What brand are you with now?
You can follow god without scummy organized religions
Lost count of how many times I've got teary watching this.
The love and openness is amazing
I have to agree.
3 minutes in, and I teared😢up
Same. I've been listening to Mormon Stories Podcasts for a few months now, and they are all very interesting; this one, though, really pricked my heart like no other. I'm happy for Nick and Amanda for their bravery and integrity to stand up for their truth. I'm also kind of sad for that ward for losing the kind of bishop that all bishop's should be. ;) They were very blessed to have such a good man as their bishop.
I remember the first day I went to work that I wasn’t wearing my garments, I thought for sure I would get in a wreck and my business would fail now because I wasn’t wearing my white Ninja suit underneath my clothes. I ended up not getting in a wreck and dying on the road and to this day it was by far my highest sales day. It’s been 4 years now I’m still trying to deconstruct the belief system I was brought up in. The hard part is I love the people and friends and it’s tough when they still try and tell me not to give up on God. Newsflash! Just because I’m not active in the church nor go to a church does it mean I gave up on God! I’m closer now to God now than I ever felt going to church. I think living your truth and seeing the church through the outside of it opens your eyes to how crazy it all is. I relate to Nick and Amanda on how your heart aches but you’re free finally.
"White Ninja Suit" that is the perfect term LM(Friggin Butt)O
This is why they say, "Don't get out of the boat." They don't want you to see that the boat isn't even in water.
This just gave me chills 😳 so true.
😂😂😂😂😂 you just realized that? 😂😂😂😂
Deep
Fantastic analogy
The boat is a cardboard box, sitting on a dry rock.
Nick, I am a 54yr convert to the Church of LDS but I am starting to have serious doubts about it all. I can tell you that you have my sincere admiration and your story has been a strong incentive for me to walk away from it all. I have for quite a long time now had doubts about the way the Church is being run. The truth of the matter is that you are still a Christian and so am I,
we have to learn what is the correct way to relate to our God. He is true and Jesus is his anointed one so hold your head up high , you have an admirer here.
Go with God, sincerely yours G.
There are clear reasons to doubt the current leadership of the church. You have to decide, for yourself, if you can continue to practice a religion which may be run by men who do not practice what they preach. They will tell you the men arent perfect. In reality, they seem to be so far from perfect, they have no place to criticise any of the members. Anyone who can decide to set up shell companies to keep the misuse of tithing money away from the members, deserves a warm place in the afterlife.
That's a beautiful and brave comment. I wish you peace and happiness in future endeavors. Hope you can break away from it
I'm 34 an I'm in the church but Im struggling with staying are living. In my heart I don't believe in the book of Mormon I'm a Christian numerous times because I was following others but the last time I got baptized what's in the Mormon church I didn't know anything about the Mormon church until now I feel so uncomfortable when I walk in the church people look at at you and they force their religion on you what should I I don't believe in that
Would love to hear from them again in another 6 - 12 months.
I was just thinking that, I’m only half way through the episode but as it’s only been a month or so out, I have so much hope for their future and could see a Thrive story episode down the line
YESSSS!!!!
As much as the culture of the church can be broken with imperfect leaders and members, it still holds the true gospel of Jesus Christ which is a protection and shield for our eternal welfare. I was inactive for 7 years and broke my temple covenants, God told me he loved me just the way I am but my current mortal happiness is equal to that of the terrestial kingdom which I will inheret, I immediately stopped breaking the commandments and returned to church, will need to be rebaptised soon but it was confirmed to me through the spirit that the celestial glory is now back in play.
@@rksnote9635the true gospel that a conman claimed to translate from an Egyptian greeting card
Or in a month or less based on comments?
Love this . ...one more positive influence to help me deconstruct my 54 years of being sexually abused, being a bishops wife, going thru a divorce and being excommunicated, being re baptized ,remarrying and finally having a faith crisis and stuck between shame and fear....I long for a healing heart ❤
@toismith2249 I am so sorry to hear that you have had to go through all of this sexual abuse and then be stuck between shame and fear too. It's like reliving your nightmare over and over. Think about going to a quiet and peaceful place and sit in your car with a big dog and get him/her some ear muffs for 'ear protection', and or a trustworthy girlfriend.
Lock the car doors, but open the window a little so you can shout out all your fearful life experiences back to the planet, and in particular to all the ants and all other 'creepy insects' as well! When you have released those feelings, simply forgive yourself for innocently not knowing about 'creepy bugs', When you feel it has released from your soul, give yourself a loving hug, and also deeply thank your trustworthy friend for coming along too. May your life improve in love and kindness to yourself and other's everyday.. 🥰
I hate that this happened to you. I hope that you can heal. You are not at fault for any abuse you received. You have nothing to feel ashamed of. ❤️
Please don’t give up on the Jesus of the Bible! Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater 😢
I hope it's not triggering to say. I will be praying for you friend.
@@alstewart6870 How was that funny? 😂 🤨🙄
Having left the church after 40 yrs. I’m watching Mormon podcast, and I never felt so free and true to myself. My God is a kind loving God and I don’t have to pay money to know that.
I have a few devout Indigenous friends who follow their beliefs according to ancient teachings. They are so connected to our world and know how to gentle trod and not abuse what Mother Earth and the Creator has provided. Now that is the love I seek to know. They were almost wiped out by settlers, priests, governments, explorers etc, yet they can still try to keep connected to this planet. God bless this couple for sharing and enlightening us all. Stay strong and be your true self. We are the creators children and are not owned by anyone.
Because Joe Rogan and Elon Musk are too self-centered and do not talk.Truth to do anything to help these people
Every Mormon should listen to this. I was heartbroken at the abuse!!! I wish every bishop was like Nick. He was such a good example of what bishops SHOULD be!
I live under the banner of Zion here in LD$ - SLC UT USA. Im a barber and hear these stories weekly.
You did what was right for you and your family
It's ironic right? I had that thought so many times watching this.
Uh, no he wasn’t. The guidance for counseling couples? Don’t. Send them to professionals. This man paints himself as the devoted overworked Bishop who had no time for his family but had time to read anti books. There’s WAY more to this than he’s revealing.
@@sarahooten4671 It could however those who are brainwashed usually can not comprehend. (especially a few chosen who's bishop makes sure their bills are paid) LOL
Margie has grown so much as an interviewer and asks such insightful questions
Love Margi! She and John make a damn good team.
This is by far my favorite guests you’ve ever had I left the church a few years ago and hearing everything this man says rings home two beautiful souls now getting to experience LIFE they’re gonna go far in helping so many 10000x what they did in their church callings
My favorite podcast too. :)
I love when people discover the truth... their truth. So happy this whole family got out and can now live an authentic life. Thank you for sharing your story. Wishing you a happy life. I've been out for decades and have a wonderful life
This may be the most important Mormon Stories interview of recent years.
Margi’s gentle way of asking tough questions proves she is the best female co-host EVER.
My takeaway- this couple’s journey is going to resonate with so many people.
Thank you for sharing your experiences-it’s high time that transparency becomes the norm
Change can only occur when the truth is revealed
Yes Absolutely
If only she could stop the “mhhmm”’s
Hi Amanda and Nick! Thank you for your words your brave and your hearts.❤
I am former member from Czech Republic. 15 years ago quit the Church and your interview helped me to heal old wounds. Good luck in the future in your new life. And thank you very much again for therapy. Tomas
Already crying 17 mins in- I appreciate this couple sharing their story. I know it will continue to help people in & out of the church
I rarely listen to these personal stories of leaving the church. However, the I watched the episode in which he resigns at the pulpit and ever since then I’ve been anticipating this show.
You empowered the members in your ward and now you are empowering many others who are still asleep in the knowledge of who they are.
"Sanskrit. The meaning of Christ is the man who woke up who discovered who he really was."
Sat, Chit, Ananda.
There's so many others on here. I love this channel. I feel each story and grow more as a non believer the more I watch. It has given me tip's and tricks to do coming out the other end.
Same - I struggle with the length of the episodes and sometimes the place it takes me to, mentally. This one, was special.
@@RC-oq4pt Very special. I usually put it at 1.5 speed. I need the end part for the good part of where they are now.
I am not Mormon but somehow came across this channel and this episode and found it so powerful. I have Mormon friends, who are lovely people, btw, and wanted to know what they believe so listened to gain understanding. While I knew some of the issues I wasn't aware of the ones brought to light here. The pain expressed here was palpable and the issues dealt with are more than bothersome on so many levels and the trauma caused at the hands of indiviudals in a church is almost beyond comprehension, yet there it is. How disturbing. The pain people have to live through, the trauma they have to process - it's almost beyond comprehension that it is done in the name of the church. The belief that a single or group of person are "in charge" of your salvation is what Jesus came to undo. Jesus said so many times that we can live in freedom from shame and sin. That's powerful in the perfect sense of the word.
Immediately after listening to this podcast I came across these words that seem like a healing balm for people who have experienced trauma via an entity that tries to take away their value and promote a way of thinking that prescribes such power over a person's destiny:
The psychological wounds inflicted on you by the battles of life have made you believe you are less, far less, than you actually are.
You are of such massive significance to your Maker that all the resources of omnipotence have been marshaled for your redemption. And part of that redemption is to restore in you a true and accurate vision of yourself as the cherished object of God’s infinite love. The light of the gospel will gradually obliterate your insecurities and heal your sense of significance. It will whisper into your soul over and over again, “You are the one for whom God, in Christ, voluntarily suffered and died. It was all for you. He would have done no less had you been the only person in world in need of rescue from the dark and destructive dominion of sin, shame, and death. God has estimated your value as equivalent to His own life.”
Real powerful. A positive example of righteous anger. Even as he has left the church he is shining the love and grace of Jesus.
Amen.
So great!!!! I was a member for 56 years , left 2 years ago. So many things were said that validate why I also left. Bless you and your family
After work, I had no idea I would spend my evening watching this episode in full, but that's exactly what I did. As soon as I saw his resignation video, I've been waiting to hear his story.
I have listened to Mormon Stories podcast for the past 1.5 years as I left my position as full-time on-campus faculty at BYU-Idaho and left the church. It has helped me realize I am not alone. This episode, by far, has been my favorite and the most hard emotional for me. I wish my wife and I could take Amanda and Nick to dinner for a couple of hours and just talk. Thanks for this interview!
I’ve probably watched hundreds of MSP interviews. I think this is the most touching and impactful video I’ve watched yet. Thank you for sharing your stories Amanda and Nick.
This has been a vey inspiring interview.
I too experienced sexual abuse and I was sent to the bishop to confess, then I was told to not take sacrament as if I was the sinner. I was 11 and was being abused off and on since 8. I was made to feel as if I was dirty and unworthy. I also felt like everyone at church knew that I was dirty and I couldn’t look anyone in the eyes.
It wasn’t until I was in my 20s and I confided in a close friend and she told me it wasn’t my fault. It never crossed my mind that it was never my fault .
I still struggle with that voice in the back of my head telling me I’m not worthy.
You deserved better ❤ still do
As a child, evidence everywhere says you are not capable of making certain decisions. We have laws that are supposed to protect children because of this fact. Children who are subjected to this kind of abuse by adults who know better and are often seen as those who can be trusted, are absolutely NOT at fault! PLEASE, if not already, find someone you can trust to help you get through this and to stop believing the lie that you were/are the problem. It is difficult, but you can overcome and Truth will be your advocate!! Blessings for your healing.
Reading this broke my heart. I am so sorry you had to go through that like that. That bishop was soo wrong obviously. Makes me irate! I had some bad experiences with a bishop who ultimately exed me. Yet I saw adulterering (made that word up) men get a slap on the wrist. Make it make sense please. You were an innocent child that was treated with disdain. Disgusting. Sorry hun!
I don’t understand why they did that?! So sorry you went thru the abuse and not having your church leaders to comfort you. Much love❤
Very sorry for what you went through. Abuse is the fault of the perpetrator NOT the victim. I will literally pray for you dear April that you may feel the healing through our dear Savior's atonement. You are not alone...
This was incredible! Thank you Nick and Amanda for sharing your story. I cried the whole way through it with you. I was born into the church, well I was 3 when my parents joined so I say born into it, and I’ve never known anything else. So leaving was the hardest thing I’ve ever done and continues to be difficult because I lost my social circle. There is so much that you’ve shared that I can relate to and this really helps me to feel I’m not alone and that I’m a good person even though I’ve left. I was treading in 3’ feet of water and now I can stand. Also thanks to John and Margi for making this available to us through Mormon Stories. You are helping so many people to deal with the pain. It’s so true , Nick you mentioned it several times, and that is until you step away you will not see things as those of us who have left see things. It’s a whole new wonderful world out there.
NeverMo from Norway here that got to know a wonderful LDS woman on the Camino in 2022 and grew to get a facination with mormonism. As a result Ive been watching probably a couple hundred hours of this channel in the last few months. (And several other ex-mo and mormon channels on top of that). This is the strongest interview I've seen so far. Kudos to Nick, Amanda and Mormon Stories for sharing these stories.
Seriously, same. I'm a convert-ex-mo, been binging this content for the past few months and I fully agree! This interview is so powerful. I wish I could show it to all the sweet women I still love that are still lost in this system.
They're wonderful- especially in the land of Zion! I was a convert and once in it- was a Rude Awakening !! Im out now
Never Mormon here but I grew up in a high control religion- The United Pentecostal Church. So many similarities. Thank you for sharing your story.
Very Interesting- Thanks for sharing
BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE is that the Pentecostal Church follows the truth, whilst the LDS is a cult.
Same here 👍👍👍👍and same church I grew up in… 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Pentecostals share roots with Mormonism as well as The church of Christ. It all came out of the same movement.
This has made my top 5 of all time, John! You and Margie were the perfect hosts, let them speak, and oh my lord, if I can just tell this sweet, courageous, amazing couple, thank you! For being here, for sharing, for being so real. It gets better! It's been 5 years for me and it still hurts. Much love from Tennessee and again, THANK YOU!
Thank you for living a life of integrity. When my brother asked me why I had left the church, I told him it was for integrity. I didn’t want to teach my children something that I did not believe in. It was difficult, very hard. Like jumping off a cliff in the dark. But we have to do the hard things so our children won’t have to. And yes, the world is a beautiful place. Human beings are indescribably beautiful when we see them without walls and without judgment. We are like a field of wildflowers. Each one unique and different, all contributing to the beauty of the whole. Jesus said to love one another. That is all…that is everything.
Not all human beings are indescribably beautiful: Javed Iqbal Mughal has entered the chat.
I have never seen so many beautiful and inspiring comments! Thank you.
Freedom means nothing left to lose... 💔❤️❤️🔥
I'm less than 20 minutes in and I am 1000% impressed with this amazing couple.
Nick & Amanda I celebrate you. You've come through a crucible. You've freed yourself. You've freed others. You'll free more. Hallelujah❣️
Even though I don’t believe anymore, it didn’t hit me until the end that Jesus was a carpenter like Nick. I believe Nick is exactly the kind of person that Jesus would have wanted to lead and be an example of love, grace and acceptance. You can see the weight in his eyes of what this has done to him… but it’s one thing he said that really stuck with me that I’ve heard only a handful of times from people who leave high demand religions… you start to really live and love the right now. High demands religions are always like you’ll be happy when you die IF you follow all these rules so suffer now for happiness in death…um No and also the chokehold of guilt to keep you addicted to them. This has been one of the best interviews. Also shout out to Mike and Nemo for the LDS discussion!!!
This is one of the most most authentic and wonderful interviews I have ever seen. This couple are so genuine and their love for each other is beautiful. Thanks Mormon Stories for giving these people a platform to speak their truth.
Wow the LDS Church with $128 Billion, and costs only Half a Billion to operate the whole church?! Didn’t Jesus said: Don’t turn my father’s house into a market?!
Be prepared... scriptures say blessed both spiritually and physically... wealth is not a sign of untruth
I think Jesus said let's get rich and buy a shopping mall. Mark 7 19
I stepped away from the church because i was tired of being shamed. Later i realized that i was normal, just had a rough childhood - but nobody ever asked “why” i did rebellious things like drink coffee, or smoke, or drink, yet they were more than happy to shame me every time i did. Later, i was shocked to find it that the church was lying about so many things and became angry that i put up with all of the shaming from a sham church.
Not a church, a cult. Only the top leaders benefit in any real way-they feed off of all those folks like vampires. The huge amount of SA is also typical of cults-the ultimate way to break people. 😡
Those who are insecure and unable to recognize their own weaknesses tend to percieve other having as having the same cariceristicks. Be careful be wise .
This is the best Mormon stories episode I have ever seen. I was completed mesmerized by their stories and profound insights. My former husband was excommunicated prior to us meeting and I supported him in the process to be rebaptized. They kept asking him to rewrite a statement over and over rehashing the choices that got him excommunicated as well as any current sins. They kept rejecting his letter because it wasn't detailed enough. He became discouraged and wanted to give up. I wouldn't let him (which I regret) and finally they held a council and approved his rebaptism. Later, the stake president admitted they approved it because of the letter I wrote to the council touched their hearts. I was confused because I thought they were supposed to pray about it and get an answer from God. Not the case. He was rebaptized but had an annotation (red flag) on his record permanently. Christ forgives, but clearly the church does not.
Agreed ❤ so many tears 😭 emotions, pain, truth ❤ amazing episode ❤
When I was called to teach Gospel Doctrine, and I started cross referencing the Bible and it WASN'T adding up- I began realizing that the Mormon church was exactly what Paul warned of in Galatians. I began actually teaching from the Bible WHEN we were supposedly teaching New testament that year and I was released. If you don't stay to their manuals and go into the real Bible doctrine they don't allow that. ALL truth is in the Bible. ANY OTHER gospel than that taught in the New Testament is accursed as the Bible says. Read the Bible and you will find the truth.
@@selfsufficientmamaon one hand, I am glad you got out of the LDS, and if your faith in a god helps you, then I am glad. But that same introspection and skepticism deserves to be aimed at all your preconceptions no? Is there a particular reason why christianity ylu feel shpuld be exempt from your scrutiny?
@alejandrorivas4585 I don't think the commenter was saying Christianity doesn't need to be scrutinized. But that the Bible teaches that believers shouldn't rely on or substitute any other book for the Bible or add to the scriptures. We should always question teachers and not just believe everything, but study the scriptures ourselves and pray for understanding and not just believe blindly what anyone is teaching.
I have been red flaged as well
This has been the BEST Mormon Stories ever. I am in total awe of Nick and Amanda. True heroes ❤
What a beautiful, brave, strong, and emotionally aware man. Super proud of him and his lovely wife. I have learned so much about the human condition and resilience from post Mormons.
So nice to hear Nick give shout outs to his kids. This is truly brave and sweet.
Nick and Amanda… I was born in the Mormon church and left a few years ago in my 50’s 45:16 after researching and finding out the Mormon church is false. I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and know my salvation is through Him alone and what He done on the Cross and not all the rules and regulations of the Mormon church. I pray for you both that you find the true Jesus and the peace and joy that He offers with a relationship with Him!🙏🏻
Out of all your Podcasts, this is the best one ever! Nick & Amanda are a breath of fresh air, with their raw honesty, & compassion for others! Thank you for telling your story!
I come from a long lineage of Mormons, through both of my mother's parents. Going back to 1850's. My grandparents were very orthodox. As a child, I saw so many things that I didn't agree with. I wasn't treated well by the other girls in my ward. Probably due to mom mom being a divorced woman. Members of the church treated my mom badly, as well! The sisters, held on tightly to their husband's, as if my mom wanted to steal them! My mom stopped going when I was 13, but my siblings, & I were forced to go.
My grandparents were racist & that really bothered me! My mother was dating a wonderful black man, whom my siblings, & I adored. My grandparents threatened my mom, that they would disown her, if she married him. That was the end of their relationship.
I became a single mom & went back to church at 29, do my son could be baptised, as I still believed in the church, I just couldn't live by their teachings! Plus, I was austricized by the woman for being a divorced, single mom, like I was going to steal husband's! I Don't like the way they treat single moms!!! I left & came back when both my daughters were baptised & soon left, when I dropped my daughters off for mutual & the other girls thought it was funny to lock my daughters out. They walked to the store I was shopping at & vowed to never go back.
The last & final time was after the fire in Paradise, Ca Camp Fire, when we escaped with our lives, & house burned down. We went to the church to get household things, that were donated & an older couple on their mission, were trying to get us to go back to church. I told them I didn't believe I needed to go to a bishop to confess my sins, as I have a direct connection, with my Father in Heaven, & no man should come in between that! My daughter & I went back 3 times & everytime we were ignored! No one talked to us, except the missionaries. The 3rd time, we decided to try Relief Society. We sat in the middle, right infront of the speakers. I was waiting for them to say, "We have 2 new people here today." Nothing, absolutely nothing, silence. So strange! We sat in the car & talked, as we were in total shock! We decided to Never go back!
In 2020, I prayed to our Father in Heaven, asking him to show me if the Church was the true church. I was led to many scriptures. Read Galations.
I saw the video of the temple ceremony, Scary, Lucifer, Really?! I prayed at least 10 times & found the truth! We are the church of Jesus Christ & the temple of our Father in Heaven! We don't need organized Re-Legion!
I've had our Father save my life several times & his Holy Spirit has always been with me! I love him with all my heart & soul, mind, & strength! I love all my brothers & sisters, as well!
There are other stories, but perhaps for another time! I'm praying for people to wake-up & see the truth, especially my brother! It's still hard to know the church isn't true, because of all my ancestors, that were fooled, & endured that guilt, shame,& fear re-legion!
May our Father bless us all & give us eyes to see & ears to hear! Lots of love to you all & thank you Nick & Amanda, for your courage, & strength! You are heros & I admire your truth & honesty! May our Father always bless you!
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Yess. Bishop Jones. You deserve the highest respect and honor. Nothing will change if we stay silent. Thank you Nick and Amanda. This is so important. Thank you for your courage. Thank you for standing up for all of us who feel so helpless to make a change. Thank you John and Margie for creating this platform.
Kudos to this couple for sharing their story my heart goes out to them and their families
Thank you Nick and Amanda for sharing your story. Its heartbreaking, but powerful. Wishing you the best.
Nick, You remind me of my late father so much. He struggled with our religion and the Bible as a man who was called to preach.
He worked a full time day job for the city & came home in the evening to tend to our farm. My dad even made time for his family. It’s a lot of pressure on a man in general. Juggling all the things. I can now reflect back on my dad and realize that he was struggling a lot. Yes, he did have cancer. Even before that I think he struggled with his mental health.
Thanks for this. In some weird way it allowed me to understand my dad better, whom I lost at 18. I’m now 40.
To his wife Amanda: I see the struggle in your eyes too. Like my father likely did, I also struggle with depression. Don’t diminish your own struggles because you think Nicks are so much worse. The better you take care of yourself the better you can take care of everyone else. Make it your mantra!
Thanks for sharing. Each and every story like this adds one more thing on the shelf of anyone with doubts. Thanks for being part of change
I rarely cry through an entire episode of anything!! I bawled through this one!! I appreciate your heart and honesty, Nick and Amanda!! Thank you so much for reaffirming that I AM WORTHY!!
This has been a top 5 Mormon Stories episode for me!! Thank you Nick and Amanda for taking the time to do this interview! I had some good bishops growing up, but your version of bishoping is by far the best I’ve ever heard of! I wish for nothing but the best for you and your family. I know you are feeling so much pain right now, but I hope that you feel the love of those who support you and that outweighs the pain. Thank you John and Margi for having them on and for being so thoughtful and supportive as usual!
I was raised LDS and I left due to my study and found LDS to be in great error.
My LDS church experience was amazing!! I actually loved being a Mormon!
I am so thankful that I was not molested. I met people I really loved and miss to this day. THANK YOU for your time and sharing your story. I have since become a Christian and I continue to pray and love LDS people.
2 Corinthians 11:4
What do you feel is in error?
@@dlariby The Mormon religion, The Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith the false prophet, changes to the religion, POLIGAMY, blood oaths in the Temple, child pedephilia, journal of discourses, D&C , meadows massacre, 1983 Mormon Bombings, church history, and not being Christians.
I'm confused about the verse you've referenced. I believe Paul wrote that as sarcasm because the Corinthians were being so acceptable to false teachers.
You left, loved being a Mormon, miss your LDS friends but are thanking this guy? He’s here to tear down, to bring as many folks out as he can. Keep loving your experience and missing your friends. That’s a much healthier way to leave than what this guy is doing.
@@timedmonds2315 the LDS preaches another Jesus that Paul the Apostle didn’t preach. Jesus Christ said “it is finished” he didn’t say he was going to create a new gospel in the Americas.
The scripture also says “if you accept another gospel which we didn’t give”
Clearly the Book of Mormon is another gospel which Paul the Apostle didn’t give.
The scripture says “if you receive a spirit that we didn’t receive’ the Mormons state they feel a burning of the bosom.
That spirit or feeling is not a spirit that Paul the Apostle has spoken about or has received.
Clearly LDS have another Jesus and another gospel that is plainly evident in 2COR 11:4
This raw emotion just had me in tears. Christ would NEVER have wanted people to go through this! He is grace, love, mercy, forgiveness. God bless this couple as they traverse freedom in Christ!
Thank you for providing a platform for these stories! Also, Margie, you're such a GOAT, adore you!
She really is!!
Agree!! She brings SUCH value and such an important perspective!! So thoughtful. I always appreciate her presence!! ❤
One thing that resonates is the lack of support this bishop, maybe all bishops receive from the church. As a licensed therapist, I know what it’s like to listen and carry the problems of my patients. But, counselors, therapists and all mental health workers need to practice self care. My heart goes out to Nick and Amanda. I hope they know that sharing their story has done more good than they may ever know. Thank you John. As usual, you carry the interview with dignity and grace.
I am a life long atheist & have no connection to the Morman church. I also never leave comments. But you two are honest, precious & inspirational people. Be happy in your new lives, with people who appreciate your real value.
I loved, loved, loved this interview! Sending mountains of love, respect and admiration to Nick and Amanda! May they know they are so loved and I pray for their continued strength as they weather this storm.❤️
Wow! What a powerful totally honest raw interview. I pray this video goes viral nation wide!
Non-Morman here.
Powerful stuff John. I’ve been on a hiatus from Mormon Stories for a while and been back a couple weeks and man, you’re coming with some firepower these days. Bravo
Wow... the backstory on how this came out is tough. I can't imagine on a national scale that you're leaving the church. Also, having people edit the video to suit their own interest and then being forced to post it again. This guy comes at this so earnestly and is so clearly empathizing with people he doesn't know. Much love and support for his bravery in doing the right thing in the face of such a large cost to his own person. He's one of the good ones.
International scale! Following and sending support from Japan!
I was molested by a family friend from 5-10. My brain fractured and I learned compartamentalizing at an early age and blocked out most of my childhood. My memories returned after I joined the church and while serving my mission. Thank God for a good therapist after a traumatic car accident that only added to my onion layers of PTSD. I'm so thankful for podcasts like this that bring to life that we're not alone in our struggles
This has been one of the most meaningful interviews I have seen from Mormon Stories. Thank you for telling your story!
This man and his wife are heroes. I know they don’t claim to be but they are. I’m sorry they had to go through what they did but I’m forever grateful they are sharing their stories.
I gotta say that this is a true man in every sense of the word. I hope that his deconstruction journey helps him find freedom and peace just like all of us exmos.
Thank you for making a stand!! You did the right thing and a good example for others to follow!! This is how we make the world a better place!!
What a beautiful couple. I love how much they (obviously) love each other. I wish them ALL happiness. ❤❤
From an ex-mormon, sending you both a big hug and my love! Congratulations, you did the right thing in leaving the religion, you are a free spirit! Thank you for shining your light now more than ever! 🙏💫💜
I’m not a Mormon, but I find your stories fascinating I think it’s because they’re human stories!
Nick. You’re the man. I enjoyed listening to your experience. You were a true Shepard to those who needed help and protection in your ward during your time as a bishop. I would’ve appreciated having you as a bishop because you showed you are not only human and compassionate, but understood that no matter how highly ranked you are in the church you are still human and equal to those in your congregation.
"They are trying to take it from you and tell you that they gave it to you. And they're trying to give it a name."
This resonated to much with me. He is absolutely right!
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This was an incredible show. Thank you so much for sharing your life. Much love and respect to nick and Amanda. ❤
Nick and Amanda,it’s hard but gets better quickly. You learn to live with your spouse and kids in a more genuine way. It’s beautiful. Enjoy the ride. Love one another and have joy.
I hope their family keeps finding more joy and peace every day. I'm grateful he called the cops and doesn't tolerate child predators.
I’m not Mormon, I don’t know any Mormons (I’m in New England) and I’m not sure how I started listening to this video. But I’m coming here to say that I’m so grateful this husband and wife are raising children. They are jewels in our society.
This episode will end up being one of the most important and impactful episodes of this podcast. Thank you Nick and Amanda!
I was never Mormon, but my grandparents were. I have lots of Mormon relatives. Nick and Amanda are amazingly courageous!!! I’m so inspired by their love and honesty. May they both find love and support over the next few months and years for healing. I’m praying for them and their family!!!❤
Nick and Amanda, sending you both love and healing. What an incredible interview. You have given me so much hope for the world that is emerging.
This was the best Mormon Stories interview I've ever watched. So open and raw. Their leaving took so much courage and do so so publicly (and I'm not even talking about his viral video) takes tremendous guts. I love all the things he did as a bishop and more so the things after he was a bishop (ie 100% full tithe payers!). AMAZING!
I hope that their story will be heard thousands of times over to bring people peace after leaving the church 🙏