The V-6 is not right by Jesus - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 1
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2019
- The V-6 engine is more complicated and expensive to build than a straight-six, but far less refined. It exists only as a solution to a packaging problem - it’s not the kind of powerplant that engineers actually want to build. So why do we lust after the Alfa Romeo Busso V-6?
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The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled 25-minute conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
Jason Cammisa is an automotive journalist, social-media figure, and TV host with over 250 million views on RUclips alone. Jason’s deeply technical understanding, made possible by a lifelong obsession with cars, allows him to fully digest what’s going on within an automobile - and then put it into simple terms for others to understand. Also, a Master’s Degree in Law trained him to be impossible to argue with.
Derek Tam-Scott still tries. He’s a young automotive expert with old-man taste in cars, and a Master’s Degree in Civil Engineering - which means he knows how to be civil to Jason. Or at least he tries. With a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced the world’s most iconic cars. And hated most of them.
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Cammisa does a better VQ sound than 95% of the aftermarket exhaust companies
Sounds a whole lot better than my stock VQ37VHR
Seriously different! Closest is Savage Geese. Keep your honesty: we need more of that. Don't start the timer again: don't need it. Just keep going guys: we'll tell you when to stop!!!
Ha! Well, the first six episodes are recorded and I shut us up at about the 25-minute mark. So what you're saying is we need three episodes a day then? ;)
@@JasonCammisa Yep! (Just kidding!) Looking forward for what's coming. I think I just can't get enough already... Good sign!
SUCCESS. I could watch a million more of these episodes. KEEP EM COMIN, ISSIMI, and good job Jason.
Oh, and where’s the link to that hillclimb video you mentioned?
Thank you!
@@WordToMomsYo Oh - right here: ruclips.net/video/pa675SdPDQU/видео.html
This is the best show on YT right now. No bullshit and two people with a proper substantial knowledge of cars (especially ones I am interested in).
PLEASE KEEP EVERYTHING AS IS!!!!
the v6 jaguar f type sounds damn good
Its exhaust does. The mechanical noise from that V-6 is... um... "not pleasing." :)
Agreed, but I'm still hoping that JLR will throw in their new Ingenium I6.
The only car that I regret selling was my 81 GTV6. Not long after I bought it I was changing out the guibo’s and ran it for a bit without an exhaust on it. Pissed off the neighbors but was so worth it.
Entirely because of the trick exhaust. In fact all modern cars require fancy exhausts because the engines have sooo much sound proofing. You never hear proper engine notes anymore, only exhaust notes (and yes, they are two completely different things).
Wonderful how you folks pronunce "Lancia" the Italian way! Great talk!!
*the right way
It took me nearly the entire video to realize what in the world they were saying. I've only ever heard Brits pronounce "Lancia" and they always say "Lan'-see-uh"
Busso V6 is one of the best engines ever made. V6 or otherwise. The way it sounds revs and looks is just magic. Why I bought my 155 2.5 V6. Jason himself drove it at Radwood Philly...said he loved the engine. Love this show btw. Keep it up!
#Truth
so why do you think the busso is the "best"? how do you define that?
@@99Lezard99 The way it sounds, the way it revs seemingly with so much...Italian-ness and zeal. The way the power smoothly builds. The induction noise is intoxicating, and the exhaust, when done right, is just magic. The way it looks in the engine bay. The fact that it is reliable. I could go on. I did one pull in 2nd in my car when I was shopping for it, and I was done.
@@ChaosphereIX fair play. there are many busso v6 arent there? they where made into the 2000s right? they cant feel all the same and sound the same since carb/injection, different cams valves and strokes.
im a fan of the original nsx. i think the 2 v6's from it must be one of the best v6s there are. they also sound great, they live under your toes, they rev they respond extremly well and they build power nice with the slight vtec kick and after that they become like a fully build race engine. the 5 speed gearbox from the pre facelift nsx just wasnt the best choice. geared too long. but the 6 speed from 97 onwards was blissful and fitted perfect to the wonderful c32b engine. sadly honda only made it for the pretty expensive nsx only.
@@99Lezard99 Yes it was a mass produced engine for Alfa Romeo. Used since the late 70s, it underwent many changes. Ranging from a 2.0T to 3.7L (in Autodelta form), and with different fuel and cams etc. The best are the 12v ones IMO, and the 2.5 zings more than the 3.0. Although the 3.0 in the SZ screams.
Yeah the Honda NSX sounds good too, I will agree with that.
Camry V6 engine is also in Avalon, Highlander V6, Sienna V6, RX350, ES350 etc
This was certainly not a BULLSHIT return by Jason, glad to see you back in action once again!
Pininfarina Battista just casually sitting in the background. Can't wait for what this channel has in store! 😮
Busso btw continued until '10 in Alfa GT and 147/156 GTA in 3.2 form. Damn I want the 147 GTA in pearl white even tough I hate FWD cars AND white cars.
Also dunno what's wrong with the young dudes GTV6. I test drove super rusty version (that I almost bought for restoration project) 12 years a go. It was wet and tyres had no thread, so it liked to slide like crazy. And it was fantastic. Balanced, sounded like cream, steering was excellent and the gearbox was not too bad.
If the block hadn't had crack I would have bought it. Even tough it was mostly rusted (trunk lid had almost head sized hole :O).
Great content.
I actually like V6's. I have 2, a 24v 3.0L Busso that sounds amazing, and a Audi 2.7t that is actually pretty cool (probably due to the 5valves) although not a symphony.
I was surprised that you didn't highlighted the sound of the v10s.
Keep those discussions coming.
Greetings from a fellow Busso owner. Chrome intake trumpets unite!
Ooh, there should be an entire episode devoted to the difference between even-fire V10s and odd-fire V10s. That'll be a good debate!
2.7 twin turbo Audi V6 = killer
@JasonCammisa sign me up for that one!
3.2 NSX type R factory exhaust, or regular 3.2 with aftermarket exhaust.
You read my mind
This 100%
That Busso Engine sounds like a mad trombone player.
My life is now complete. A channel for motorhead grumps fronted by Jason. Happy Christmas yarl! 🤘🏻
What about the sound of an in-line 5 cylinder ?🤔
There's nothing to discuss - they're awesome! :-D
I've had an Audi 4000cs quattro and a '93 S4 -- both powered by 5-cylinder motors. I'm currently driving a 2004 Volvo S60R -- yet another 5-cylinder. That warble, the exhaust thrum.. There really just isn't much quite like it (especially when boosted like crazy)... Under ideal conditions, it can evoke images of Group B cars ripping through a forest, all sorts of exhaust screams and chuffs and whistles..
What's arguably even better is when you simply double the cylinder count, as in the R8/Gallardo/Huracan... Ahhh... Simply sublime
Audi 5 cylinder GOAT engine
Jaguar V6/8 sounds absolutly amazing. But by far, my favorite engine/exhaust noise is the GT350. I cannot tell you how big a smile that put on my face the first time I drove that. So musical and amazing. Like a muscle car but different and almost Ferrari like? SO good.
I had a 2003 Acura cl type s with the j32a2 and it sounded great
I've only driven one Busso and it was the 164 Derek and Leland picked up in Maine. It sounded incredible.
This was the shortest 25 minutes ever. Great show
Thanks!
I love this. Looking forward to future episodes!
Am I the only one who remembers Jason saying that the Giulia v6 sounds like 2 smart cars having an argument in the head2head episode with the m3, atsv, and c63?
YES. I was secretly hiding inside that I LOVE the sound of the 2GR-FE in the V6 Exige. They are such screamers, if you think it sounds good in the Evora you should hear it in an Exige with much less sound deadening. Absolutely awesome, to my ears it sounds better than most V8's that aren't race engines.
Loved the show, looking forwards to the next episode!
Sorry, but I love this Ducati dude. And i’m straight
😂😂
god knows it's impossible to like another man without being gay unless you say so!
noobasdfjkl Correct! :)
@shumpie41 Same we need to make a community for gay gearheads
I can understand this, but the other one too. Bisexual car enthusiast with ten cars from Germany.;-)
The reason the Busso V6 sounds so good is that the lead designer used to work for Ferrari, and was a chief engineer for the venerable Ferrari V12. He took his know-how from there and applied it to his design for Alfa Romeo.
This was good!! Thanks for sharing. And forget the 25 minutes. We are here to listen!
This format is sick! Need one of these twice a week pls ✌🏻😂🙏🏼
OG three camera format was great. bring it back!
This show is carmudgeon approved, by me. I know more than ANYONE (quite naturally), but I find these two guys... tolerable. That's a rare achievement. Keep up the acceptable work.
best sounding engine: you didn't mention the v10 in the carrera gt! but still great to see Jason back:)
Is good but the lfa is the pinnacle if street v10d
Is that the Pininfirina Battista behind Tam hyphen Scott?? Is that the same one in the Alfa Romeo Westlake Dealership? I saw one in the showroom when I was getting my car serviced. Also the Giulia 2.9 V6 sounds really good :)
One that's never on anyone's mind is the Mazda MX6 / Ford Probe GT (93-97) 2.5L V6. I owned a couple if the early 2000s and they sound genuinely amazing. Especially with a Borla exhaust. This coming from someone in the classic Italian car restoration field and classic BMW owner. I really enjoyed the episode!
Yes I owned a MX6 from that era - beautiful, creamy 2.5l V6.
Hold up, how about the Honda/Acura NSX? Not that new hybrid thing, but the NA1 and NA2, with the Honda C-series? Personally I think they can sound incredible.
My Honda (Acura) Legend 2.7L 90 deg V6 sounded magnificent at full throttle.
Original NSX anybody? 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you! I was just about to say Honda makes a pretty good sounding V6.
If you like straight 6 engines, look up the Aussie "Barra"... nicknamed the "seagull" ;)
It's kind of like the 2jz in a sense though that it sounds like a hair dryer even if you shove 700hp through it, it's too perfect
Keep'em coming, Jason.
Great show! You guys forgot Mazda’s K8 and KL series V6s. They sound great!
Could these be made into podcast form? So good, thank you!!
they are! soundcloud.com/issimi-official/the-v-6-is-not-right-by-jesus-the-carmudgeon-show
ISSIMI Official apple podcast app please!
I am so excited to see this new enthusiast show with only real petrolheads in it !
For once it is real car talk instead of just interesting images for kids to watch.
This show instead of any high dollar TV commercial car program, any day of the week !
Thank you! More to come!
That Alfa Romeo GTV 6 in 'Well Aged Scotch' in season 3 of The Grand Tour that Clarkson was driving sounded good. He kept that car, I believe.
Also, I kind of like the sound new LGX V6 in the Camaros.
Alfa Romeo's 6C V6 (Busso) was a pretty strong engine, but not exactly reliable. There were issues with some productions that used a two-piece cylinder head gasket. I can also mention, the timing belt tensioner that leaks (there is a fix for that), you had to keep the exhaust valves properly calibrated, lest you wanted to ruin the cam lobes, valve train cover gasket leaks, and the water pump was a hit or miss. As a former Alfa mechanic, I know quite a bit. Yes, I still love them! I would consider purchasing a Milano Verdi Quadrifoglio.
The engine sound was a great combination of both the intake design, valve train, and the exhaust. I've yet to hear a V6 that sounds better than AR's. The 3.0 liter makes power all the way up to the redline.
You guys did not mention that a V6 engine allows for the possibility of making the car a front mid-engine configuration, for a lower polar moment of inertia. It is fairly easy to keep the engine, even with accessories, behind the front axle.
I owned a MY85 GTV Now I understand why I have a 😊 smile on my face driving. It was my daily driver in Chicago. I must say I got the same smile with MY76 GT Alfetta. I agree with Derek it was all my monthly shop visit to keep it running. The only difference I got 2x the value of the car when I sold it. Love that!!! ❤
Original NSX V6?!?
YES! THIS!
Top 3 exhaust notes:
Porsche 917
v12 F1 cars
787B
Dark horse: F1 V8 blown diffuser Red Bull
For v6 the Audi 2.7t in the b5 s4 sounds amazing. Set of downpipes and an awe twin 1 exhaust and it's perfect.
Setup for the critique: Hosts are great, love this show, love the content, love the opinions, love the format, I've now watched every episode, can't wait for more.Derek needs to limit the vocal fry, he'd sound less douchey. :P
Yessss FINALLY someone else agrees with me on the 2gr Toyota v6 sound!!
Shamar White I almost jumped off my bed in excitement 😂😂
Dope more Jason let’s go!!
I could watch this all day
Keep it coming
Oh boy... I cannot tell how much i was missing this.... i feel alive again
More of this please.
These guys humble any carguy
12-valve VR6 with a Neuspeed exhaust and a giant cone intake, to my ears nothing in the world sounds better
Because they are basically an inline engine. They have a 15° offset
Okay Jason, but the J35 V6 in my 17 Accord Coupe sounds great. HA!
Agreed, I had a 2003 cl type s with the j32 and it sounded great at any rpm
Good content. An L28 with triple webbers being revved to the moon is my pick. Honorable mention to the 787b's quad rotor, that thing screams.
The smacks on the bullshit button are a bit harsh with headphones thought.
New Ford GT actually sounds really good too, surprisingly!
This channel has renewed my hope in humanity. When you see a crankshaft with offset pins, you know that it's just wrong. Derek: Go to court and drop the hyphenated moniker. Your mom will get over it.
Just found this channel tonight. Im in
Original NSX sounded awesome.
I absolutely love this and can't wait to see more! If we're talking good sounding V6 the only ones I can call pleasing to me are the Busso V6 and the Lotus V6. Now when it comes to inlines nothing beats the RB26DETT for me.
Edit: let's also toss the original NSX V6 into V6s I like the sound of.
For inline 6s it is the TVR Speed 6 for me.
Best show ever, best presenters ever, Alfetta gtv6 best classic ever!
GT-R, Jason!! Slap an exhaust on it...best sounding V6 EVER!!
Agreed. Straight 6's are all great sounding. My tuned S50USB30 is quite nice.
Slight off topic but the best engine sound I've ever heard is a Ducati 999R with an open Termignoni inside of a warehouse full of Ferrari (the ferrari's dealership chief mechanic was selling it). I took it for a ride and to this day gives me goosebumps to think about that sound..
Derek has very interesting taste 😂
This channel is definitely the best of all!!! Crazy tasty 😋 opinions et references!! The first time I finally hear about my Busso engine!!! Each time people shit on V6s I hear the sinfonia per sei cilindri in v in busso maggiore 😍😍😍🏎🏎🏎🍀🍀🍀
Love you guys! 😘🍀🤘🏻
i actually like the honda vtech v6 a lot, i had a 1999 honda accord with a v6 that i adored and drove to death, and it sounded wonderful at high rpm or going fast. not to mention it was a detuned version of the same motor that was in the original nsx. surprised they didn't mention the honda v6, its a damn fine engine, has all sorts of modern tech, will last forever, and sounds like heaven
Glad someone said it. The J series V6 with the right exhaust can be a real head turner.
The Lancia Aurelia V6 motor is a 'spiral crank' motor - it has a unique firing order, and is one of the sexiest-sounding motors, ever.
Audi's S4 with the supercharged engine and aftermarket exhaust sounds amazing.
Mazdas KLDEs sound amazing too
The Busso V6 sounds so sweet it could also be a guilty pleasure of a fattening cake!
It's the sound version of the situation at which you put your finger in a Nutella vase and then you get caught by your parents (or the policeman, in each respect)! You accelerate hard and go fast just to hear that Busso bouncing off the limiter, just like you finger the Nutella vase to feel that sweet sensation!
Also, there is a video on YT, with a driver hammering his CF2-catted 147 GTA at night! This video is worth watching it just for hearing the Busso bouncing off the limiter!
I'm biased as a Fiero owner but I like the way GM's 90-degree V6 sounds, even if it makes caca for power and loses steam after like 4k rpm. It sounds much faster than it is!
Derek, which problems did you had with the Alfa 164 Busso? Thinking on buying a rare QV 24v Q4...
Thanks in advance
Taurus SHO V6, sounds good, and possibly is the best looking transverse V6 ever made. Also honorable mention to the Contour SVT.
I love the Volkswagen tractor idles. You can feel the pushrods pushing
Could watch this all day. Love both of you guys. Sad that my 370Z is a packaging solution 😓
That VQ's exhaust note though... 🤤
@14:26 When Adam was reviewing Giulia Quadrifoglio for MotorTrend, he said it sounds like two 3-cylinders having an argument :D
I love how you casually call me "Adam" and I knew who you were talking about. lol.
@@JasonCammisa I'm just extremely happy to have you back on our screens. Last two and a half years have been terrible for your fans. Instagram reviews are good but not as good as your videos. Keep doing what you do best: talk honestly about cars.
Mazda K series V6 sounds phenomenal!
My E92 325i (N52 engine) with M-sport exhaust is sweet music to my ears.
Unpopular opinion, but I think the 3.5 V6 from Toyota/Lexus is one of the best sounding modern V6 engines, mechanical or exhaust noise
I love Jason....and I know I shouldn't because it will only lead to heartbreak. That being said, if you two are gonna sit on your asses the entire videos there should be cocktails. Then I can have one without feeling guilty at 11 am. Speaking of good sounding Italian cars, I had a Fiat 124 Spider with an Ansa exhaust. Incredible and completely betrayed by a complete lack of horsepower - the acceleration of sap in January.
That G37 comment was so on point. From the outside: Celine Dion. From the inside: Rosanne Barr. I would add the original Taurus SHO 3L V6. V6 engines in general don’t sound great but the sound of my 1990 SHO was surprisingly decent.
Derek's gtv6 sounds like an e30 with a straight piped m20, thats why its good.
Nice banter, gentleman.
Look up Saab Turbo X....single turbo 2.8 V6, sounds glorious especially in stock guise or with a downpipe. That Saab V6 (b284 or lp9) was made in Australia (Holden fisherman bend)in the same plant as the Alfa V6 (fun fact).
I agree. The TurboX V6 sounds fantastic, especially with some light exhaust work.
Unpopular opinion: my favorite straight 6 is a 4liter early 90s jeep Cherokee. Just a happy motor that's also bulletproof.
Not true at all
Ever heard a Jeep with an odd fire 6?
A long time gifted and known Alfa and exotic mechanic preferred the 2.5 above all other versions. Not just the sound, but the inherent balance of the engine. I have never had a chance to hear a carb’ed Busso in person. A stock Busso on a broken-in stock exhaust sounds great, Alfa was good at that. Sounds good with modified exhaust as well. The 12v SOHC cars with solid lifters and pushrods to the exhaust valves also have a mechanical clatter that is not present in the 24v cars.
It's the same principle that makes the 350 nerds love the early designs the most, similar metals and simple timing solutions with extra block can go a long way in terms of reliability
Why did car makers never make use of the VR6. Seems like a great solution.
Just for sound, it saves not enough length or height or is similar enough to other concepts to be of any use (with straight 6 and 4's you can use dimensions and tools for making the block or head that are similar, and even with a straight 5 you can do that, but not with a VR6)
What about the '89-'95 Yamaha tuned Taurus SHO V6? The mechanical noise is amazing. My '89 SHO has the firewall insulation and carpeting deleted, so you get tons of mechanical sound, and it's great.
ruclips.net/video/au1hEpuQ-tc/видео.html
Not sure if I can link it, but this is a pretty good example from my car.
The Jaguar F-Type's V6 sounds pretty awesome
I’m shocked that wasn’t mentioned.
Honda or Acura has 60 degrees V6s. 8 had Acura CL type S 6mt and it sounded really good especially with comptech exhaust. Even better with Comptech root style supercharger
finally i found YOU AGAIN. the 1st time i saw jason it was in motor trend so i get a premium subscription just because he was amazing. Then he left so i stopped watching them. now i find you again in my new fav channel
I'd watch more of these
Where's the link to that Evora hillclimb video?
Absolutely brilliant!
Like the long named dude attitude to the EV, Jason please never say again Tesla is an answer to anything! as It become the root of all problems.
I don't know what would be the exact format and if you going to have different guests, but just a day ago I was watching an old Quick drive episode on Motor trend with Carlos Lagos and you. He deserve to have few words and that particular episode for C63 AMG should be in the bible of the motor journalism as both of you have some seriously right conclusions.
Any way, Great stuff here! Keep going!
The VQ engine sounds like a pissed off vacuum cleaner. You can hear that drone anywhere.
Spencer Crawley Jr That’s probably because you drove one with a CVT🤦🏽♂️
@@MandusahRamirez nope. Nissan or Infinity, Altima or Q37, exhaust note sounds like a Hoover
I agree on the Camry v6! I drove a sienna at work and that engine sounded pissed lmfao. So sad the first gen nsx didn’t get a mention 🤦🏻♂️ busa engine sounds godly. And vq has to have a stock exhaust to sound good they get raspy with aftermarket and sound like a trombone
The M276 V6 in the C43AMG sounds so much better then every I6 BMW built after the N54.
Lol m50b32. Well played sir.