It’s absolutely the right decision if it doesn’t suit your style and you have limited space. It’s why I tend to buy and use rack mount synths in recent years. Synth wise - my Matriarch is always there, as is my System 8 and then my controllers, but if I buy a full size synth - it needs to be something pretty special that I will use often, or it will spend most of the time standing in the corner collecting dust. For these sounds for the few times you’d use them, there’s always VSTs which these days are pretty close.
Yeah! I just played around with the Arturia Obi emulation the other day, because I was considering making a comparison video. But I got quickly bored. If I really need this type of sound, I know where to find it! 😉
There are no synthesizers for techno or not for techno - all depends on your sounddesign skills and mixing skills. Even TB-303 aka. Techno icon can be used in opposite styles like chill out😊
My completely insignificant, subjective thoughts on the occasion of your video: I have used almost all brands, models and types of synthesizers. Not a single synthesizer still blows me away today. Nothing is new, everything has already been said. An oscillator is still an oscillator, a filter is a filter, noise is noise, a signal is a signal, no matter what type of synthesis you use. It all bores me, and of course I can't blame any sound generator for that. If at all, I only use software synthesizers. I've sold everything I've ever owned in terms of hardware. I now only have a small USB midi keyboard, a PC and a laptop. That's it! And it works fabulously. I only explore and create sound worlds virtually, and even here the sound gets on my nerves after a while. Unfortunately, that's the truth. But well, this is probably a phase of my life, maybe it's coming to an end, maybe not. Finally, the "UB": Who am I to dictate to anyone what fits, what doesn't, what should or shouldn't be made? For me, this device is like any other. Whoever enjoys it. Have fun with it. Go get it if it makes you happy. But from my perspective: nothing to write home about. And this goes on for years and years.
TBH I find that all my behringer gear has a hard time fitting in my mix ..it doesn't sit well with my other gear ...but I use it live for shows and its great
i agree , the Deepmind does more , for less , and i don't need both ( have an access virus ti = thats 16 synths !!!!!! ) So the ubxa adds nothing for me , i love that Uli is offering these , but i don't need them all . . . . . . . . . (waiting for vcs3 tho . .. .)
A guy who has worked with behringer on the kobol was asked by other peoples if he would prefer the kobol or the polykobol (when behringer will releases it ) , as he knows both but has only a kobol, and his answer was the kobol, above the majestic polykobol, for the same reason than you with the UB-Xa, he prefers a synth that pierce in the mix.
Novation Peak is particularly good, I think. It's been around a while and doesn't seem to get much hype, but it's a solid workhorse and capable of more things than I suspect people know about. I've had mine for almost 5 years and the only thing I'd sell it for would be a Summit.
@@xntricity6446 I think the Novation doesn't quite get the sound of true wayward VCO poly tbf, although it has a fair go. But a real VCO poly has a bit of magic to it.
I hope the current trend for nostalgia synths comes to an end soon. All that time and effort going into reproductions when they could be investing it in new and innovative products. Synthesis should be about the future, not the past. The only positive I see with this keyboard is the poly Aftertouch, which I hope they incorporate into other products and all the other manufacturers have to follow suit.
I have the opposite problem with one on my synths, my DSI Mopho x4 is too thin and transparent. I would sell it but it is serial #69 and I am a kid at heart. 😂
Totally on point to not keep someting that does not fit with your taste, no problem at all. I'm also really curious about the Super Gemini, every demo I saw blowed me away. Personally my quest now is to find the synths I had when I was starting, that digital era is giving me quite happiness soundwise and they are now sold for almost nothing, like all the analog unicorns were back in the nineties. Big hug from the south, maybe we meet in Berlino soon.
HD! You are always welcome for a jam in the studio! Talking about 80s digitals: A friend gave me a broken DW-8000 the other day! I already know that it will be more fun for me to fix and to play than the UB-Xa! All the best! 😁
@@winesynths I'm about to get a Korg M1 boxed for less than 200 , got a pristine wavestation some months ago for 120 and just got a Kawai K1 keyboard for 75 ... this are the prices I'm talking about, and they are megasynths if you dive into them.
The ubxa is not really a techno synth the original wasnt..they give a warm ,brassy sound which doesnt sound right for techno but for pop or synthwave thars where the ubxa shines. So i dont blame you sending it back
I dunno, I find you can use just about any synth for techno. What a lot of people fail at is creative sequencing and groove, and lacking that - no synth can save you. The UB-Xa would be just fine for techno.
Thanks for the video! I appreciate that you describe in detail what doesn’t work for you in your musical style as everything you don’t need / want about it is something I do! 🤣 As for needing a wavetable synth and that you will be missing the poly aftertouch, the obvious answer seems to be a hydrasynth. My hydrasynth, along with my OB6 and TORAIZ AS-1 (easily the best mono synth at its price point with a single voice of a PROPHET 6 in compact form) are my desert island synths (although my PROPHET 6 desktop would be lonely without them)
@@PabloInformation That might very well be true - but since he already has one and likes the sound, maybe a Juno-alike with 3 envelopes, a mod matrix, 12 voices, higher resolution controllers and envelopes, sophisticated arp and seq, internal effects and software editors/web libraries - and all of that in a compact package for pocket money - might spark interest.
@@Sycokay Both are "my first poly" type synths. But one is just very nice and the other one, is one of the best synthesizers ever made. Deepmind, Nymphes are todays Juno's and Minilogue also maybe The PRO 800 is another one. The price makes It entry level. But It is a little darker/colder/scifi sounding prophet 5 a synth that has been used in every genre for over 40 years. Deepmind is also amazing and the 12, 6, rack makes It a very low cost, bit of a super juno. The pro 800 architecture is more interesting I think. I have the pro 1 and had the sixtrack. In de video's it sounds close to the pro 1 and rev2. Which is cool. If the Ub souds nice, It reminds me of Deepmind, It can also sound rather thin. OB6 is much better imo. and OB X8 sounds much more confident than Ub. Ub lack of presence that those type of sound need. A little sad, they worked so long. If you do have the Juno 6 or 60. Juno 66 mod, gives you VCO like drift, detune, PORTAMENTO!!!, unison, 2 lfo, envelope, "sophisticated arps en sequencers", etc It's fantastic. Juno can be seen as somewhat limited but is an extreme capable and ultra productive synth, with a sound people are in love with. A Juno will be more useful in studio's, productions, etc ... It has a way of always sneaking in tracks and jams and do a ton of work, again and again when It was not planned, and It was the spare synth in the corner. I had sold mine, had regret, kept looking at ads. Had a Jx-3P, Jupiter 4, Poly 61, Matrix 6, Dreadbox abyss, etc ... still missed It. Studio with 5 juno's had space problems because they had bought a cs80. So one had to go. Good if everyone knows you are missing your Juno.
@@Jupiter4Alphs Hey, by no means I wanted to say anything against the Juno. I wouldn't know anyway, since I wouldn't buy one as a hobbyist with limited funds. Had a lot of bad luck with vintage synths, the best experience was my JX-8P where you can be about 80% sure you get no hiccups when you switch it on^^ Was pretty bummed out by the Waldorf M, since I always wanted a Microwave 1 but didn't want to put so much money in an ancient piece of technology...but no, Waldorf didn't get it right. And when I listen to the (imho) underwhelming UB-XA, Behringers upcoming Juno clone will be hit or miss as well. Will see.
I agree and if one is simply looking for an MPE keybed this is certainly a contender but I still have not seen an analysis of using it with hardware or softsynths that support MPE. So is it MPE or polyaftertouch and how well does it transmit that to other synths ? I was never into that sound back in the day but I do like the early SEM's and I use them. This one is not for me.
So cool! I have followed them for 20 years and still have learned very little about them. The soul coming out of Germany sounds more American than the Americans! But it has such a cool electronic twist that I think is unique to Europe. @@winesynths
Yeah, too big for me too! Ideally if Behringers will put their forces to create a greater version of Pro-800! More modulation choices, poly LFOs, stereo panning and multiple outputs with true multitimbrality. It's not that hard as it may sound IMO. Exploding with clones may be a good strategy... unless gear junkies will get sober )) Behringer has only two original synths in fact.
"Its much too fat" is usually a great selling point for keeping a synth, not selling it 🤔🤣 The Ob shines for thick leads and pads, and delivers a whole wall of sound, so thats just the niche it fills. This seems like a great facsimile of the original. its still valuable to hear the perspective that its so phat you just cant make it work on a track though 😂 i could understand that, and you may actually push some people towards buying it with that message. I personally use the Arturia apps, or the Moog apps on iOS when I need these thick sounds. (Whenever im not using my Roland Juno DS).
@@winesynths thanks for the response, and great video. Yeah arturia software is hard to beat for a lot of things. But sometimes... You just need that hardware synth.
If you want something Oberheim-y but want to be able to sculpt a bit more for your mix, you might look at the OB-6 instead. The State Variable filter is perfect for that.
I would love to see you review the Hydrasynth Pro or Osmose. Compare the keybed and build quality with the Ubi-xa. I am looking for a poly aftertouch split keyboard. Maybe korgs poly at keyboard. Sad to hear that Left and Right outputs are not lower and upper parts split out. That would make total sense. I also would like to see all 2024 synths with usb audio for easy lower latency daw integration. Sending audio to computer for plugin efx and instant recording.
Just thinking of keepers from Behringer, they would have to be the Odyssey and the Poly D. Maybe an ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe would compliment your Rolands.
Hey Herr Wine 😊 - Thanks for your opinion. Most reviews lack any opinion from the reviewer so this is great 👍 I also ❤ UDO and have a (sadly-neglected) Super 6 so I eagerly await your opinion on the Super Gemini 👍
As someone who has only really started to make a lot of use of synths in the last couple of years, I’m glad to hear what you say here. Despite the many records I enjoy that feature the OB-Xa, I find it really hard to fit synths that go for that sound into a mix. I usually find myself gravitating more towards Juno-ish synths and monosynths. Although I really can’t justify another hardware synth, I think I’m going to have a hard time resisting the Neptune-80 once it comes. (Yeah…I know about the Deepmind, but I’d prefer the simplicity of the Juno/Neptune.) I’m just hoping they do make key-less versions of all the new synths because I’m not a fan of so-called “full size” keys and will play them from my own controller anyway.
Jimmy Cauty used an OB8 for much of the KLF records in the late 80s/early 90s and the Space record. it sounded pretty good on those old records. Dunno if an OB8 sounds like this though
Consider 1 or 2 Roland JD - XA; 1st, try an ear wax level check and have all your monitoring evaluated - including your own hearing - before also returning these for the wrong reasons!
I’m afraid to buy another expensive synth from Behringer, since I paid more than $600.00 for the VC-340 and now is collecting dust since it broke and Behringer didn’t not help me to fix it, and not even sell parts to you to fixed 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Hello, thanks for fantastic talk. You might probably enjoy, if fine with vintage.. a Kawai K3 (K3M - rack) a hybrid wavetable + additive synth with SSM filters and onboard "Juno style" chorus. Give it a look. All the best. :)
Things that can make this synth sound better (fatter): easiest is to double the osc stacking (making it 8 voice like original) enable voice panning Use something like Behringer Sonic Ultramizer works great (in my case) or something similar to beef up the overall sound and depth. add some rev/delay FX Try different filter they sound different The way global economy is in question mark, dont expect your JP8 or another polysynth from B to arrive anytime soon. It was a miracle that UB arrived... at all! how easily we forget!
Thanks for sharing this min-review. I've had my order in at Sweetwater Sound (in Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA) for months and am still looking forward to receiving my brand-new UB-Xa in a few weeks. But, as with any artist's tool, if it doesn't fit your style well, you're better off getting rid of it. I will be giving mine a fair trial soon.
Wow, you are patient ! I waited over two months for Behringer Solina String Ensemble over here in Canada. That was back in July 2023. We are in January 2024, and the Solina String Ensemble is still not available in Canada. Behringer is very good at marketing and vaporware, but not that good to ship a product. I ended up buying the Arturia version of the Solina String Ensemble,... 🙂
Its horses for courses and what works for one person doesn't suit another. Its pointless to say one synth is better than another for that reason. So I think the video is very fair and well put. I also love your accent is fantastic.
Maybe this particular synth isn't suitable to your personal style, but you can use just about any synth for techno. I mean people used volcas for techno with super great results, and a UB-Xa won't work? I don't buy it. What a lot of people fail at is creative sequencing and groove, and lacking that - no synth can save you. The UB-Xa would be just fine for techno, it can be a bit wide sounding which is easily fixable by just running it mono instead of stereo. No big chords, no arpeggios etc, just a nice stab with a careful delay can get you to the moon.
Did you test out all of the different sound modes which change the entire character of the synth? I’ve heard a demo of that and it can sound so many different ways that it really impressed me. I’m surprised you couldn’t find a use for it.
Such a great point about the range/type of sounds a synth voice architecture covers and if that matches up with the types of music one wants to make. I do think there is a fair chance the Pro 16 (based on the Prophet 5 voice architecture) could be a better match for you. It is certainly a far more versatile design than the "eat up the whole soundscape pad monster" OB synths.
The Supersix reminds me very much of the Yamaha CS70M. So imagine a Super Gemini. Should be the best hardware alternative for the CS80 yet. Tell us what you think.
Even though its different my OB6 covers enough that this behringer will be a pass for me, the p800 covers a lot of that early eighties vibe that Ill likely give their prophet a miss too. But the polysix clone and the PPG clone will likely find some space (looking at you JDXA) if they materialise.
Schade that you're sending it zurück 😢... I was looking forward to learning more from you guys when i finally get my hands on my Uliheim, arriving soon. I'm more in the 70s and 80s vibe, so I'm hopeful that I've made the right choice. Before you send it back, can you share the patch you use in your review video (cp Dampfer?)?. I absolutely loved that dystopian sci fi vibe. Wunderbar!
I completely understand that decision. I personally prefer fm synths and thinner textures to fill my mix of techno track compositions . I have enough digital modules to fill the pad regions. Still sounds like a great instrument .
That's why you build your own Adam😉. I have the UB-Xa & disagree with his assessment that it's too 'thick' for his genres. It can be very aggressive and piercing, heck I made a DX7 EP on it. Miss you in the chats & hope you're doing well, drop by one of Kent's Pubs sometime...
The super six is a beautifully made instrument I purchased one however the sound left me wanting I would imagine the same with the Gemini it’s a shame as hey do have a certain special something in the design layout
Your reason for not keeping it is the same reason why others will keep it. I like the sound of it, but it has a “wide” texture that doesn’t always fit into Techno as it creates a muddy soundscape where everything is competing with it. The Juno is similar in this regard, but seems to keep the width a little more in check. The Juno makes the show without being the show. I’m tempted with the UB-Xa, but find the ASM Hydrasynth gives me the most usable “hands on” synth experience for these types of sounds.
We had the Hydra Explorer to test for a while. And even the small one was absolutely superb for the price! So this is definitely still an option! Great synth!
It’s great watching this video juxtaposed against the one you mentioned about the JX-8p (which I’ve also seen). You mention wishing for a master keyboard with poly aftertouch and a wavetable model. I don’t plan on getting this model myself, but what do you think about purchasing the 73-key ASM hydrasynth? That would give you both features. It’s good that you mention how heavy this is. I have thought long about getting it when it entered the market, especially considering how economical it would be compared with the model it emulates. However, the part about it being heavy is something of a deal breaker for me. The next synthesizer I get is one that I’m hoping will be about as portable as my Odyssey. I am more than willing to forgo polyphonic aftertouch in favor of portability.
A friend of mine (we both being techno producers back in the day), bought a OB8 in 2000, and it was really completely unfit for doing Techno and Electro... The Oberheims sound much too warm and loose for that..
the Hydrasynth Delux is worth checking out. for a poly AT controller, checkout the Korg Keystage 61, it is also midi 2.0. I am kinda between gear buying at the moment. I am currently in the middle of the ultimate gear purchase. I am constructing a new studio space. Since I am building this right the first time. All spare cash is going into construction.
I just received my UDO Super Gemini and it is really a modern advancement of over an above classics like the CS80 but much more than even synths like Deckards Dream because the Super Gemini is uniquely, like the Super-6, a design of musicality that I love! I have the OBX8 and for the original Oberheim I prefer that over the “Uliheim”. But I do have a Behringer ARP2600 clone and that instrument does very well indeed. I guess it comes down to what timbre-palette you are looking to build. Every manufacturer has their own “sound” and there is a philosophy of design in the sound. So Roland has its own design and style to sound as does Sequential. The Behringer K2 which I also have I think is better than the original Kong MS20 (which I used to have) and I like that I can integrate easily with Eurorack. So there is a place for Behringer. My recommendation is that you try out the Super Gemini - it is an awesome instrument.
I am impatiently waiting for the Gemini test unit from their distributor. And I already know, that I will like it despite all the firmware bugs it will have! Just like with the Super6! 😁
We had one here, and it was a lot of fun! Watch the videos! Top recommendation for starters into the analogue synth domain! Just like the Kobol which we also liked. But especially for this kind of electronics, I am already equipped with the B2600 which is a kind of Swiss army knife in this domain.
UB Xa is a pad monster, only reason I would want one, the 16 voices in stacked or normal, make this the perfect pad machine that will never voice steal. I don't think it's going to work well for techno, you want to hear those oscillators open up, and the only way you will do that is long envelopes. Good to see you know what you want.
Well, it seems normal to me that when doing techno the OBXa clone doesn't fit. I have an original OBXa and although I don't like how slow it is with envelope, I think it is my best Pad synth and one that I really enjoy. I don't use it for techno, but I do use it for house chords, and pads for down tempo and 90s trip-hop. The bass is great but I use mono sound when recording, because I like to take advantage of the full power of the bass. My unit is old and refurbished with original parts, its low volume problem is also like the old days, it weighs 20 kg and is too heavy a stage keyboard for any new school kid. My OBXa unit doesn't have MIDI, so that's another thing that works against me, although I have the idea of putting in a MIDI mod. The arpeggios are sweet and very ambient, it is a soft synth and has the Curtos CEM3320 filter, it is like the Prophet 5, Elka Synthex, Pro-One, LinnDrum... Percussions are strong and the bass drum generated is very prominent, it is very close to an MS-20 although it does not have the resonance of the Korg 35. I would never let this machine go, and if I didn't have the OBXa I wouldn't hesitate to have the UBXa, which is more compact and lighter, respecting the large panel that is comfortable for a bricklayer's hands. Thank you for this video.
I will take it😂. You miss the fact you have a poly aftertouch midi controller beast! I think she is a keeper for sure. I guess if you have a studio of more expensive gear you might think it wasn't worth it. For peeps on budget, it's one of the best values around.
Good video 👍. Although I was initially tempted, I really don't have the space for a third full-size keyboard in my little studio. Also I only play piano, electric piano, or organ sounds with both hands.
I own one poly synth, a Roland JX-3P, and that does what I need. All of my other synths are monophonic, and when you have only one note you are forced to write melodies instead of being lazy and filling it with chords. Good call on your side, I wouldn't want this either, I returned the Pro-800 for the same reason and sold my other classic analogue poly synths years ago.
@@winesynths Thank you, I also have the PG200 for it too, a lot more convenient to edit sounds. The 8P is also a very underrated machine, capable of some impressive sounds, to be honest I find them both way more interesting than the Jupiter and Juno series. Like your channel, just subscribed and liked this video.
You are comparing a 25,000.00 Jupiter 8 to a 1200.00 Clone of a 20,000.00 OB-Xa ? Then in the same video mentioning a battery powered toy ; the SH-101 that is inferior to the MS-1. I have a UB-Xa and I love it . Whether it fits or not I find ways to use it . I also have a voyager XL and prefer playing the UB-Xa . All ub lacked was an effects processor and that was solved by the Behringer Effects processor at 200.00. I get the techno but as a synth it rivals anything at the same price point . If I could not buy it back I would part with the Voyager at 6000.00 before the UB-Xa . Thanks for your video and time to present your opinion .
The price for the Jupiter 8 was not 25.000 back in 1981. Some people like to pay that type of money for 40 years old gear, I doubt there is any investment value in it since this antique synth frenzy will pass soon enough.🎉 Now the Roland Jupiter-x is going for 2.000 euros on Thomann
@@gunnarwaage4343Yes, but the Jupiter X is just another example of Roland-weirdness as we know it. Its outer design is closer to the Jupiter 8 than any other synth so far but the more authentic sound emulation is found in the Fantom (or Boutique) that's based on ACB, not ZenCore.
That's actually the best reason to part ways with a synth or sampler. You have to stay true to the music inside of you. And kudos for being so professional, positive, and clear about the instrument and your opinions on it and how it fits in with your studio. I am excited about getting mine. For me, and perhaps it may suit you, I am excited for the Polyvoks and - rumored - PolyKobol. Keep up the great work! Here's hoping for a wave-table in your future! PPG... ULI-PG?
My living room is for my gear. The family room is separate and is for watching TV and movies. I used to have my gear in the den, but my needs outgrew it and now that is the workout room.
Sounds like one of Nord Leads might be what you're after. They're top shelf, more modern sounding but not cheesy or futuristic. If standard channel aftertouch is enough Doepfer LMK+ is the best controller on the market.
Behringer tries to give us the impression that all great recordings are done with vintage synths. Some were, yes, but 40 years ago. But today they‘re not, modern producers work with modern tools. I bought a modal cobalt8 last week and this little thing at less than half the price can do a lot more than the Boberheim. So, if you in a coverband that plays „Jump“ that Synth may be right for you. If you after new sounds like all the pioneers of Synth, Bob Moog, Tom Oberheim, Dave Smith and all the crafty modular makers this synth is crap, totaly superfluous. Buy a used Rev2, if you want something analog, this one you will also get repaired, in case…..
Interesting perspective. This synth sounds good and is a great price if you are looking for that sound. With that being said, I don't think Techno when thinking of these types of synths😂 These instantly say Big, Brassy,..and make me think of 80's movies like TRON, etc.
@@winesynths It is funny to think that we would be at a place where people said the sound was too fat😅 However at the same time I am understand that the mix may not sit right However at the same time I am understand that the mix may not sit right.
You produce techno and you are worried about a single synth overpowering the mix? Half of the point of techno is making fat nasty sounds that grab the listener. Sounds that occupy multiple frequency ranges are desirable.. they are not to be avoided or feared. Take the track "Let Me See Ya Move" by Visa for instance. The whole track is based around a huge wide terrifying blurrrrrrt bass sound.
Yeah, good reason. I would not purchase this synth for any sort techno at all. It's not that it can't be used in such music, like any synth, it's just that there are better options imo. Honestly I'd choose several softsynths over the UB-Xa, or just use Bitwig and it's insane mod system + The Grid. That sort of setup is just unmatched for all kinds of electronic music if you don't mind working ITB. I think of these old OB/Sequential style synths from the 80s as tone/character synths. IMO they work best in classic rock, synth-pop, new wave, cold wave, ebm, electro-industrial, ect and other styles like older pop-funk, R&B and even Hip Hop. Prince had OBs all over the place, for example. It fit perfectly. BTW, do you have a JP-8000? OR maybe a Novation SuperNova. These great for Techno/Trance.
Your arguments are spot on!!! This is no techno synth, imho... polysynths more than 6 voice no good for texhno and no need. Cheers. Maybe see you in Berlin for wine shoppng
I also never thought that I would say something like this one day! 😁 But I also can't bear industrial Australian Shiraz or cheap Californian Zin made up with artificial oak flavor.
This is wise. If a piece of equipment simply does not fit your sound, your workflow, or for whatever reason the creative individual feels, that is more than valid and should make way for other tools, no matter how great the tool is. Is it needed? That should be the ultimate question.
I think you might better off with a Pro 800 then! It's not "un-fat" but defo not as thick as the UBXa appears to be. I love my Pro 800, but think the UB would be a nice addition as my synths have to fight for space with guitars etc. You like what you like, fair play for not hoarding gear you don't use!
This makes a lot of synths. There are a ton of great synths out there that are not a good fit for me. If you bring one home and realize it’s not a good fit, it’s time to let it go and try something else.
Funny it echoes my thoughts too. My music is very much BOC ambient so this synth is just too ballzy and doesn't carry anything to kill the bottom end. I don't like some of its tone. I already have the arturia so I know what's ahead. The jup8 or cs80 would of been better for their resources. They give better tonal range.
Not yet! I just started to get in contact with Waldorf through the M last year. I would also like to try the Quantum. But it looks very complex and stuffed with many sub menus. On the other hand, it also has the Fatar Poly AT Keybed, just like the one on the Super Gemini. So I will see. Enough stuff for new videos! 😁
I purchased this of thomann yesterday 😅 it was a Bstock one , after my purchase it sold out …
Oh Wow! Congratulations! You will see, that it is nearly dust free! 😁 So enjoy your new synth! 🍀
@@winesynths Any free patches still there that were used in this hilarious video series of you here on YT?
It’s absolutely the right decision if it doesn’t suit your style and you have limited space. It’s why I tend to buy and use rack mount synths in recent years. Synth wise - my Matriarch is always there, as is my System 8 and then my controllers, but if I buy a full size synth - it needs to be something pretty special that I will use often, or it will spend most of the time standing in the corner collecting dust. For these sounds for the few times you’d use them, there’s always VSTs which these days are pretty close.
Yeah! I just played around with the Arturia Obi emulation the other day, because I was considering making a comparison video. But I got quickly bored. If I really need this type of sound, I know where to find it! 😉
There are no synthesizers for techno or not for techno - all depends on your sounddesign skills and mixing skills.
Even TB-303 aka. Techno icon can be used in opposite styles like chill out😊
It’s just not the sound he’s looking for. Can’t blame him for that. I appreciate his honest review of the synth. It sounds like it’s really good.
Polyaftertouch and wavetable, you need the Hydrasynth by ASM
Agreed
My completely insignificant, subjective thoughts on the occasion of your video:
I have used almost all brands, models and types of synthesizers.
Not a single synthesizer still blows me away today.
Nothing is new, everything has already been said.
An oscillator is still an oscillator, a filter is a filter, noise is noise, a signal is a signal, no matter what type of synthesis you use.
It all bores me, and of course I can't blame any sound generator for that.
If at all, I only use software synthesizers. I've sold everything I've ever owned in terms of hardware.
I now only have a small USB midi keyboard, a PC and a laptop. That's it! And it works fabulously.
I only explore and create sound worlds virtually, and even here the sound gets on my nerves after a while. Unfortunately, that's the truth.
But well, this is probably a phase of my life, maybe it's coming to an end, maybe not.
Finally, the "UB": Who am I to dictate to anyone what fits, what doesn't, what should or shouldn't be made?
For me, this device is like any other.
Whoever enjoys it. Have fun with it.
Go get it if it makes you happy.
But from my perspective: nothing to write home about. And this goes on for years and years.
All your reasons not to keep it are reasons for me to give it a try.
TBH I find that all my behringer gear has a hard time fitting in my mix ..it doesn't sit well with my other gear ...but I use it live for shows and its great
I got a Roland SE02 as a mono synth that is said to be close to Mini Moog. Nice price and (mono) sounds.
Yeah that’s a repro of the Studio Electronics Minimoog. Which is a classic in its own right.
i agree , the Deepmind does more , for less , and i don't need both ( have an access virus ti = thats 16 synths !!!!!! ) So the ubxa adds nothing for me , i love that Uli is offering these , but i don't need them all . . . . . . . . . (waiting for vcs3 tho . .. .)
aaand I just bought it. thanks for cleaning it with a matching colour brush!
A guy who has worked with behringer on the kobol was asked by other peoples if he would prefer the kobol or the polykobol (when behringer will releases it ) , as he knows both but has only a kobol, and his answer was the kobol, above the majestic polykobol, for the same reason than you with the UB-Xa, he prefers a synth that pierce in the mix.
Novation Peak is particularly good, I think. It's been around a while and doesn't seem to get much hype, but it's a solid workhorse and capable of more things than I suspect people know about. I've had mine for almost 5 years and the only thing I'd sell it for would be a Summit.
I have a summit and it's hands down the Best instrument I've ever owned
Agree, I have the Summit and a fantastic synth, I wonder why I am interested in the ubxa as the summit is so capable.
@@xntricity6446 honestly I have never wanted another big poly since I got the summit 4 years ago. Summit has permanently killed my gas for poly synths
@@xntricity6446 I think the Novation doesn't quite get the sound of true wayward VCO poly tbf, although it has a fair go. But a real VCO poly has a bit of magic to it.
Novation Peak is a solid all-rounder. Supports poly-aftertouch and microtuning too.
I like your style of reviews it’s very personal and original. Subscribed. Vielen dank
I hope the current trend for nostalgia synths comes to an end soon. All that time and effort going into reproductions when they could be investing it in new and innovative products. Synthesis should be about the future, not the past. The only positive I see with this keyboard is the poly Aftertouch, which I hope they incorporate into other products and all the other manufacturers have to follow suit.
Great Sound. I’m happy that you are making music again.
I have the opposite problem with one on my synths, my DSI Mopho x4 is too thin and transparent. I would sell it but it is serial #69 and I am a kid at heart. 😂
Totally on point to not keep someting that does not fit with your taste, no problem at all. I'm also really curious about the Super Gemini, every demo I saw blowed me away. Personally my quest now is to find the synths I had when I was starting, that digital era is giving me quite happiness soundwise and they are now sold for almost nothing, like all the analog unicorns were back in the nineties. Big hug from the south, maybe we meet in Berlino soon.
HD! You are always welcome for a jam in the studio! Talking about 80s digitals: A friend gave me a broken DW-8000 the other day! I already know that it will be more fun for me to fix and to play than the UB-Xa! All the best! 😁
@@winesynths I'm about to get a Korg M1 boxed for less than 200 , got a pristine wavestation some months ago for 120 and just got a Kawai K1 keyboard for 75 ... this are the prices I'm talking about, and they are megasynths if you dive into them.
Keep an eye out for Behringer's PPG Wave clone - should be available in the next year or two.
Or three…
or more@@fugamantew
The ubxa is not really a techno synth the original wasnt..they give a warm ,brassy sound which doesnt sound right for techno but for pop or synthwave thars where the ubxa shines.
So i dont blame you sending it back
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I dunno, I find you can use just about any synth for techno. What a lot of people fail at is creative sequencing and groove, and lacking that - no synth can save you. The UB-Xa would be just fine for techno.
Thanks for the video! I appreciate that you describe in detail what doesn’t work for you in your musical style as everything you don’t need / want about it is something I do! 🤣
As for needing a wavetable synth and that you will be missing the poly aftertouch, the obvious answer seems to be a hydrasynth.
My hydrasynth, along with my OB6 and TORAIZ AS-1 (easily the best mono synth at its price point with a single voice of a PROPHET 6 in compact form) are my desert island synths (although my PROPHET 6 desktop would be lonely without them)
You already have a Juno, but have you tried the Deepmind? The rack version doesn't take up much space, and it's pretty versatile.
still my favourite Behringer synth by a mile
sonically an original JUNO 6 - 60 smokes the Deepmind
@@PabloInformation That might very well be true - but since he already has one and likes the sound, maybe a Juno-alike with 3 envelopes, a mod matrix, 12 voices, higher resolution controllers and envelopes, sophisticated arp and seq, internal effects and software editors/web libraries - and all of that in a compact package for pocket money - might spark interest.
@@Sycokay Both are "my first poly" type synths.
But one is just very nice and the other one, is one of the best synthesizers ever made.
Deepmind, Nymphes are todays Juno's and Minilogue also maybe
The PRO 800 is another one. The price makes It entry level. But It is a little darker/colder/scifi sounding
prophet 5 a synth that has been used in every genre for over 40 years.
Deepmind is also amazing and the 12, 6, rack makes It a very low cost, bit of a super juno.
The pro 800 architecture is more interesting I think. I have the pro 1 and had the sixtrack.
In de video's it sounds close to the pro 1 and rev2. Which is cool.
If the Ub souds nice, It reminds me of Deepmind, It can also sound rather thin. OB6 is much better imo.
and OB X8 sounds much more confident than Ub. Ub lack of presence that those type of sound need.
A little sad, they worked so long.
If you do have the Juno 6 or 60. Juno 66 mod, gives you VCO like drift, detune, PORTAMENTO!!!, unison, 2 lfo, envelope,
"sophisticated arps en sequencers", etc
It's fantastic.
Juno can be seen as somewhat limited but is an extreme capable and ultra productive synth,
with a sound people are in love with. A Juno will be more useful in studio's, productions, etc ...
It has a way of always sneaking in tracks and jams and do a ton of work, again and again when It was not planned,
and It was the spare synth in the corner. I had sold mine, had regret, kept looking at ads.
Had a Jx-3P, Jupiter 4, Poly 61, Matrix 6, Dreadbox abyss, etc ... still missed It.
Studio with 5 juno's had space problems because they had bought a cs80.
So one had to go. Good if everyone knows you are missing your Juno.
@@Jupiter4Alphs Hey, by no means I wanted to say anything against the Juno. I wouldn't know anyway, since I wouldn't buy one as a hobbyist with limited funds. Had a lot of bad luck with vintage synths, the best experience was my JX-8P where you can be about 80% sure you get no hiccups when you switch it on^^
Was pretty bummed out by the Waldorf M, since I always wanted a Microwave 1 but didn't want to put so much money in an ancient piece of technology...but no, Waldorf didn't get it right.
And when I listen to the (imho) underwhelming UB-XA, Behringers upcoming Juno clone will be hit or miss as well. Will see.
I agree and if one is simply looking for an MPE keybed this is certainly a contender but I still have not seen an analysis of using it with hardware or softsynths that support MPE. So is it MPE or polyaftertouch and how well does it transmit that to other synths ? I was never into that sound back in the day but I do like the early SEM's and I use them. This one is not for me.
You should talk about what the electronic music scene is like over there. A lot of great music coming out of Germany. Do you know the Jazzanova guys?
Of course! They are based in the neighborhood and made a free concert in the park just around the corner a while ago. 🤩
So cool! I have followed them for 20 years and still have learned very little about them. The soul coming out of Germany sounds more American than the Americans! But it has such a cool electronic twist that I think is unique to Europe. @@winesynths
geiler typ! danke für den channel
Not cheap but the PolyBrute12 might be one for you it's definitely not your grandmother's Oberheim.
Yeah, too big for me too! Ideally if Behringers will put their forces to create a greater version of Pro-800! More modulation choices, poly LFOs, stereo panning and multiple outputs with true multitimbrality.
It's not that hard as it may sound IMO. Exploding with clones may be a good strategy... unless gear junkies will get sober )) Behringer has only two original synths in fact.
More than 2
"Its much too fat" is usually a great selling point for keeping a synth, not selling it 🤔🤣 The Ob shines for thick leads and pads, and delivers a whole wall of sound, so thats just the niche it fills. This seems like a great facsimile of the original. its still valuable to hear the perspective that its so phat you just cant make it work on a track though 😂 i could understand that, and you may actually push some people towards buying it with that message.
I personally use the Arturia apps, or the Moog apps on iOS when I need these thick sounds. (Whenever im not using my Roland Juno DS).
For me the Arturia OB-V is totally sufficient. And sounds great by the way!
@@winesynths thanks for the response, and great video. Yeah arturia software is hard to beat for a lot of things. But sometimes... You just need that hardware synth.
If you want something Oberheim-y but want to be able to sculpt a bit more for your mix, you might look at the OB-6 instead. The State Variable filter is perfect for that.
I would love to see you review the Hydrasynth Pro or Osmose. Compare the keybed and build quality with the Ubi-xa. I am looking for a poly aftertouch split keyboard. Maybe korgs poly at keyboard.
Sad to hear that Left and Right outputs are not lower and upper parts split out. That would make total sense. I also would like to see all 2024 synths with usb audio for easy lower latency daw integration. Sending audio to computer for plugin efx and instant recording.
Just thinking of keepers from Behringer, they would have to be the Odyssey and the Poly D. Maybe an ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe would compliment your Rolands.
We have a Hydra Desktop. Excellent machine! 👍
Hey Herr Wine 😊 - Thanks for your opinion. Most reviews lack any opinion from the reviewer so this is great 👍
I also ❤ UDO and have a (sadly-neglected) Super 6 so I eagerly await your opinion on the Super Gemini 👍
As someone who has only really started to make a lot of use of synths in the last couple of years, I’m glad to hear what you say here. Despite the many records I enjoy that feature the OB-Xa, I find it really hard to fit synths that go for that sound into a mix. I usually find myself gravitating more towards Juno-ish synths and monosynths. Although I really can’t justify another hardware synth, I think I’m going to have a hard time resisting the Neptune-80 once it comes. (Yeah…I know about the Deepmind, but I’d prefer the simplicity of the Juno/Neptune.) I’m just hoping they do make key-less versions of all the new synths because I’m not a fan of so-called “full size” keys and will play them from my own controller anyway.
Jimmy Cauty used an OB8 for much of the KLF records in the late 80s/early 90s and the Space record. it sounded pretty good on those old records. Dunno if an OB8 sounds like this though
No! Different beast! I had the offer to compare one with the UB. But it doesn‘t make sense. It‘s like comparing a Jupiter 4 to a Jupiter 8.
Consider 1 or 2 Roland JD - XA; 1st, try an ear wax level check and have all your monitoring evaluated - including your own hearing - before also returning these for the wrong reasons!
I’m afraid to buy another expensive synth from Behringer, since I paid more than $600.00 for the VC-340 and now is collecting dust since it broke and Behringer didn’t not help me to fix it, and not even sell parts to you to fixed 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
What is wrong with it? This thing deserves to be repaired!
@@winesynths thanks for you reply, it looks like it is the power supply.
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No warranty?
Hello, thanks for fantastic talk. You might probably enjoy, if fine with vintage.. a Kawai K3 (K3M - rack) a hybrid wavetable + additive synth with SSM filters and onboard "Juno style" chorus. Give it a look. All the best. :)
Things that can make this synth sound better (fatter):
easiest is to double the osc stacking (making it 8 voice like original)
enable voice panning
Use something like Behringer Sonic Ultramizer works great (in my case) or something similar to beef up the overall sound and depth.
add some rev/delay FX
Try different filter they sound different
The way global economy is in question mark, dont expect your JP8 or another polysynth from B to arrive anytime soon. It was a miracle that UB arrived... at all! how easily we forget!
Thanks for sharing this min-review. I've had my order in at Sweetwater Sound (in Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA) for months and am still looking forward to receiving my brand-new UB-Xa in a few weeks. But, as with any artist's tool, if it doesn't fit your style well, you're better off getting rid of it. I will be giving mine a fair trial soon.
Wow, you are patient ! I waited over two months for Behringer Solina String Ensemble over here in Canada. That was back in July 2023. We are in January 2024, and the Solina String Ensemble is still not available in Canada. Behringer is very good at marketing and vaporware, but not that good to ship a product. I ended up buying the Arturia version of the Solina String Ensemble,... 🙂
@@richarddufresne2683better to order straight from Germany
the UBXA is not a good synth
@@hanzvolt -- I've been enjoying my UB-Xa, but it's certainly not for everyone.
@@hanzvoltwhy?
you keep a juno (that is very limited) but want to sell back the ub-xa...
Yes what a joke. He keeps the organ with a chorus
Its horses for courses and what works for one person doesn't suit another. Its pointless to say one synth is better than another for that reason. So I think the video is very fair and well put. I also love your accent is fantastic.
Thanks a lot! Welcome to my channel! 🤖
@@winesynths I watch it loads thanks.
Maybe this particular synth isn't suitable to your personal style, but you can use just about any synth for techno. I mean people used volcas for techno with super great results, and a UB-Xa won't work? I don't buy it. What a lot of people fail at is creative sequencing and groove, and lacking that - no synth can save you. The UB-Xa would be just fine for techno, it can be a bit wide sounding which is easily fixable by just running it mono instead of stereo. No big chords, no arpeggios etc, just a nice stab with a careful delay can get you to the moon.
I want the link to the soft red synth cleaning brush!😂
No problem:
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Did you test out all of the different sound modes which change the entire character of the synth? I’ve heard a demo of that and it can sound so many different ways that it really impressed me. I’m surprised you couldn’t find a use for it.
The famous Atrophy modes. Of course. Just watch the review! 🤖
dont fool yourself... ubxa= trash
Based on the cacophony of noises in the beginning, I can’t imagine why I would bother to continue listening
Such a great point about the range/type of sounds a synth voice architecture covers and if that matches up with the types of music one wants to make. I do think there is a fair chance the Pro 16 (based on the Prophet 5 voice architecture) could be a better match for you. It is certainly a far more versatile design than the "eat up the whole soundscape pad monster" OB synths.
The Supersix reminds me very much of the Yamaha CS70M. So imagine a Super Gemini. Should be the best hardware alternative for the CS80 yet. Tell us what you think.
Even though its different my OB6 covers enough that this behringer will be a pass for me, the p800 covers a lot of that early eighties vibe that Ill likely give their prophet a miss too. But the polysix clone and the PPG clone will likely find some space (looking at you JDXA) if they materialise.
Honest review. Nice brush. Will get one myself sooner or later. The brush that is. Already own too many heavies. 😄
The Befaco Brush is really cool! 😁
Schade that you're sending it zurück 😢... I was looking forward to learning more from you guys when i finally get my hands on my Uliheim, arriving soon. I'm more in the 70s and 80s vibe, so I'm hopeful that I've made the right choice. Before you send it back, can you share the patch you use in your review video (cp Dampfer?)?. I absolutely loved that dystopian sci fi vibe. Wunderbar!
Already eingepackt! But you will quickly schraub your own Dampfer! No problem! 😁
I completely understand that decision. I personally prefer fm synths and thinner textures to fill my mix of techno track compositions . I have enough digital modules to fill the pad regions.
Still sounds like a great instrument .
That's why you build your own Adam😉. I have the UB-Xa & disagree with his assessment that it's too 'thick' for his genres. It can be very aggressive and piercing, heck I made a DX7 EP on it. Miss you in the chats & hope you're doing well, drop by one of Kent's Pubs sometime...
The super six is a beautifully made instrument I purchased one however the sound left me wanting I would imagine the same with the Gemini it’s a shame as hey do have a certain special something in the design layout
Behringer their PPG WAVE-clone will be a better choice for you! It will come out this year I guess. Greetz from Belgium.
Buy a Grp A1 if you want a wild monophonic that sounds good, forget that heavy box
One of many I’ve seen getting returned. 800 was the same. People need to research better.
Your reason for not keeping it is the same reason why others will keep it. I like the sound of it, but it has a “wide” texture that doesn’t always fit into Techno as it creates a muddy soundscape where everything is competing with it. The Juno is similar in this regard, but seems to keep the width a little more in check. The Juno makes the show without being the show. I’m tempted with the UB-Xa, but find the ASM Hydrasynth gives me the most usable “hands on” synth experience for these types of sounds.
I'll take the UB-Xa! You might want to consider the Hydrasynth if you want wavetables.
We had the Hydra Explorer to test for a while. And even the small one was absolutely superb for the price! So this is definitely still an option! Great synth!
It’s great watching this video juxtaposed against the one you mentioned about the JX-8p (which I’ve also seen). You mention wishing for a master keyboard with poly aftertouch and a wavetable model. I don’t plan on getting this model myself, but what do you think about purchasing the 73-key ASM hydrasynth? That would give you both features.
It’s good that you mention how heavy this is. I have thought long about getting it when it entered the market, especially considering how economical it would be compared with the model it emulates. However, the part about it being heavy is something of a deal breaker for me. The next synthesizer I get is one that I’m hoping will be about as portable as my Odyssey. I am more than willing to forgo polyphonic aftertouch in favor of portability.
A friend of mine (we both being techno producers back in the day), bought a OB8 in 2000, and it was really completely unfit for doing Techno and Electro...
The Oberheims sound much too warm and loose for that..
Right! It lacks the „tightness“ that you will find on other brands from this era. Like Roland, Korg and even Sequential.
I don't think I need the UB-Xa, but I do need that Synth Duster!
the Hydrasynth Delux is worth checking out. for a poly AT controller, checkout the Korg Keystage 61, it is also midi 2.0. I am kinda between gear buying at the moment. I am currently in the middle of the ultimate gear purchase. I am constructing a new studio space. Since I am building this right the first time. All spare cash is going into construction.
I'm also planning a major change for the studio. So no money to throw around for unnecessary stuff! Hydra is really cool! New Korg? naaaaa..... 😁
I just received my UDO Super Gemini and it is really a modern advancement of over an above classics like the CS80 but much more than even synths like Deckards Dream because the Super Gemini is uniquely, like the Super-6, a design of musicality that I love! I have the OBX8 and for the original Oberheim I prefer that over the “Uliheim”. But I do have a Behringer ARP2600 clone and that instrument does very well indeed. I guess it comes down to what timbre-palette you are looking to build. Every manufacturer has their own “sound” and there is a philosophy of design in the sound. So Roland has its own design and style to sound as does Sequential. The Behringer K2 which I also have I think is better than the original Kong MS20 (which I used to have) and I like that I can integrate easily with Eurorack. So there is a place for Behringer. My recommendation is that you try out the Super Gemini - it is an awesome instrument.
I am impatiently waiting for the Gemini test unit from their distributor. And I already know, that I will like it despite all the firmware bugs it will have! Just like with the Super6! 😁
My suggestion is the Behringer Edge. It seems born for techno to me.
We had one here, and it was a lot of fun! Watch the videos! Top recommendation for starters into the analogue synth domain! Just like the Kobol which we also liked. But especially for this kind of electronics, I am already equipped with the B2600 which is a kind of Swiss army knife in this domain.
@@winesynths Yes, I got it back then and also saw your videos about it, it's the first video of your channel l've seen!
UB Xa is a pad monster, only reason I would want one, the 16 voices in stacked or normal, make this the perfect pad machine that will never voice steal.
I don't think it's going to work well for techno, you want to hear those oscillators open up, and the only way you will do that is long envelopes.
Good to see you know what you want.
Well, it seems normal to me that when doing techno the OBXa clone doesn't fit.
I have an original OBXa and although I don't like how slow it is with envelope, I think it is my best Pad synth and one that I really enjoy.
I don't use it for techno, but I do use it for house chords, and pads for down tempo and 90s trip-hop.
The bass is great but I use mono sound when recording, because I like to take advantage of the full power of the bass.
My unit is old and refurbished with original parts, its low volume problem is also like the old days, it weighs 20 kg and is too heavy a stage keyboard for any new school kid.
My OBXa unit doesn't have MIDI, so that's another thing that works against me, although I have the idea of putting in a MIDI mod.
The arpeggios are sweet and very ambient, it is a soft synth and has the Curtos CEM3320 filter, it is like the Prophet 5, Elka Synthex, Pro-One, LinnDrum...
Percussions are strong and the bass drum generated is very prominent, it is very close to an MS-20 although it does not have the resonance of the Korg 35.
I would never let this machine go, and if I didn't have the OBXa I wouldn't hesitate to have the UBXa, which is more compact and lighter, respecting the large panel that is comfortable for a bricklayer's hands.
Thank you for this video.
Thanks for this insight! All the best! 🍀
@wine&synths what first "all-in-one" synth (with keyboard) would you recommend around a similar price point?
Hydrasynth.
I will take it😂. You miss the fact you have a poly aftertouch midi controller beast!
I think she is a keeper for sure. I guess if you have a studio of more expensive gear you might think it wasn't worth it. For peeps on budget, it's one of the best values around.
Good video 👍. Although I was initially tempted, I really don't have the space for a third full-size keyboard in my little studio. Also I only play piano, electric piano, or organ sounds with both hands.
I remember back in the day (the early 80s and 90s) when musician's just used what they could get their hands on.
We are too spoilt for choice now.
Of course! The paradox of choice! Something I absolutely try to avoid in my studio !
you need a alpha juno2 different animal to the 6-60-106 also try to find the mfb synth pro
I own one poly synth, a Roland JX-3P, and that does what I need. All of my other synths are monophonic, and when you have only one note you are forced to write melodies instead of being lazy and filling it with chords. Good call on your side, I wouldn't want this either, I returned the Pro-800 for the same reason and sold my other classic analogue poly synths years ago.
And a 3P is a very good sounding and totally underrated synth! You have a good taste! 👍 Just like the 8P which I personally prefer over the 3P.
@@winesynths Thank you, I also have the PG200 for it too, a lot more convenient to edit sounds. The 8P is also a very underrated machine, capable of some impressive sounds, to be honest I find them both way more interesting than the Jupiter and Juno series. Like your channel, just subscribed and liked this video.
You are comparing a 25,000.00 Jupiter 8 to a 1200.00 Clone of a 20,000.00 OB-Xa ? Then in the same video mentioning a battery powered toy ; the SH-101 that is inferior to the MS-1. I have a UB-Xa and I love it . Whether it fits or not I find ways to use it . I also have a voyager XL and prefer playing the UB-Xa . All ub lacked was an effects processor and that was solved by the Behringer Effects processor at 200.00. I get the techno but as a synth it rivals anything at the same price point . If I could not buy it back I would part with the Voyager at 6000.00 before the UB-Xa . Thanks for your video and time to present your opinion .
thanks for your opinion too! there will be another video soon, comparing the UB with OB-X8. Guess what I prefer! 😁
The price for the Jupiter 8 was not 25.000 back in 1981. Some people like to pay that type of money for 40 years old gear, I doubt there is any investment value in it since this antique synth frenzy will pass soon enough.🎉 Now the Roland Jupiter-x is going for 2.000 euros on Thomann
@@gunnarwaage4343Yes, but the Jupiter X is just another example of Roland-weirdness as we know it. Its outer design is closer to the Jupiter 8 than any other synth so far but the more authentic sound emulation is found in the Fantom (or Boutique) that's based on ACB, not ZenCore.
That's actually the best reason to part ways with a synth or sampler. You have to stay true to the music inside of you.
And kudos for being so professional, positive, and clear about the instrument and your opinions on it and how it fits in with your studio.
I am excited about getting mine.
For me, and perhaps it may suit you, I am excited for the Polyvoks and - rumored - PolyKobol.
Keep up the great work! Here's hoping for a wave-table in your future! PPG... ULI-PG?
I had two Polivokses directly imported from Russia in the 90ies. Terrible machines! Nearly unplayable without major reworks! But the look!!! 😁
3rd Wave desktop maybe?
"It's much too fat" is why it's so great, don't synth-body-shame ;)
Synth Body Shame! Excellent! 😂
That synth will be snapped up pretty quickly. It's not like it's going to sit on a shelf. Someone will love a well cared for, slightly used UBX.
Original Nord Lead?
Literally the sound he's looking for. Even the NL A1 does it.
Access Virus 💯
Ha! Cool idea! I had a Micro Modular back in the days and there is still a Nord Stage EX standing around somewhere. Cool instruments!
I would have no where to put it. It’s a great synth though. And my living room is off limits for my gear.
Same. Wife would have a fit 😬
Lol.@@leftmono1016
My living room is for my gear. The family room is separate and is for watching TV and movies. I used to have my gear in the den, but my needs outgrew it and now that is the workout room.
Aw damn it, you made me want one!
Sounds like one of Nord Leads might be what you're after. They're top shelf, more modern sounding but not cheesy or futuristic. If standard channel aftertouch is enough Doepfer LMK+ is the best controller on the market.
Behringer tries to give us the impression that all great recordings are done with vintage synths. Some were, yes, but 40 years ago. But today they‘re not, modern producers work with modern tools. I bought a modal cobalt8 last week and this little thing at less than half the price can do a lot more than the Boberheim. So, if you in a coverband that plays „Jump“ that Synth may be right for you. If you after new sounds like all the pioneers of Synth, Bob Moog, Tom Oberheim, Dave Smith and all the crafty modular makers this synth is crap, totaly superfluous. Buy a used Rev2, if you want something analog, this one you will also get repaired, in case…..
Interesting perspective. This synth sounds good and is a great price if you are looking for that sound.
With that being said, I don't think Techno when thinking of these types of synths😂
These instantly say Big, Brassy,..and make me think of 80's movies like TRON, etc.
Yeah! If you are in this kind of sounds you will definitely love it! With the Poly AT you can even perfectly mimic the Cs-80!
@@winesynths It is funny to think that we would be at a place where people said the sound was too fat😅 However at the same time I am understand that the mix may not sit right However at the same time I am understand that the mix may not sit right.
You produce techno and you are worried about a single synth overpowering the mix? Half of the point of techno is making fat nasty sounds that grab the listener. Sounds that occupy multiple frequency ranges are desirable.. they are not to be avoided or feared. Take the track "Let Me See Ya Move" by Visa for instance. The whole track is based around a huge wide terrifying blurrrrrrt bass sound.
Exactly.
I have the same problem with my Subsequent 37 but heck no, it will stay forever for the reason you mentioned 😂
Whole point of this video is clickbait
Hey Man! I am not Benni Benassi or Mr Oizo! 😁
Get the BPG when it comes out - that should cut through the mix nicely ;)
Yeah! That could be cool! Meanwhile I really like the Waldorf M and ProVS Mini! 😁
It's a solo and/or intro instrument that fits well with rock where there's not a lot going on in that tonal range
What did you expect! But you need what you need for your type of music!
Yeah, good reason. I would not purchase this synth for any sort techno at all. It's not that it can't be used in such music, like any synth, it's just that there are better options imo. Honestly I'd choose several softsynths over the UB-Xa, or just use Bitwig and it's insane mod system + The Grid. That sort of setup is just unmatched for all kinds of electronic music if you don't mind working ITB.
I think of these old OB/Sequential style synths from the 80s as tone/character synths. IMO they work best in classic rock, synth-pop, new wave, cold wave, ebm, electro-industrial, ect and other styles like older pop-funk, R&B and even Hip Hop. Prince had OBs all over the place, for example. It fit perfectly.
BTW, do you have a JP-8000? OR maybe a Novation SuperNova. These great for Techno/Trance.
I hope they come out with a desktop module of this.
Out now 😉
Your arguments are spot on!!! This is no techno synth, imho... polysynths more than 6 voice no good for texhno and no need. Cheers. Maybe see you in Berlin for wine shoppng
Der VS Mini darf bleiben? ;)
Mal kieken! Habe dem noch nicht so richtig auf den Zahn gefühlt.
brush keybed towards you from back to front of keys so dust falls on the floor and doesn't get dusted into the case 😂
Oh Ok! I think I will do a video like: "how to clean your synth with Befaco!" 😁
We are living in an age where analog synth is too phat.
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I also never thought that I would say something like this one day! 😁 But I also can't bear industrial Australian Shiraz or cheap Californian Zin made up with artificial oak flavor.
This is wise. If a piece of equipment simply does not fit your sound, your workflow, or for whatever reason the creative individual feels, that is more than valid and should make way for other tools, no matter how great the tool is. Is it needed? That should be the ultimate question.
Maybe you can give it to me? 😄 The red TD-3 is still safe with me.
I think this will be much more expensive to send to Mexico! 😁
I hope you are doing well!
I think you might better off with a Pro 800 then! It's not "un-fat" but defo not as thick as the UBXa appears to be. I love my Pro 800, but think the UB would be a nice addition as my synths have to fight for space with guitars etc. You like what you like, fair play for not hoarding gear you don't use!
Behringer PRO-800 Review
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This makes a lot of synths. There are a ton of great synths out there that are not a good fit for me. If you bring one home and realize it’s not a good fit, it’s time to let it go and try something else.
Funny it echoes my thoughts too. My music is very much BOC ambient so this synth is just too ballzy and doesn't carry anything to kill the bottom end. I don't like some of its tone. I already have the arturia so I know what's ahead. The jup8 or cs80 would of been better for their resources. They give better tonal range.
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Buy, make vid, send back, but affiliate links? You decide. Can't wait to get mine!
Have you tried a Waldorf Iridium?
Not yet! I just started to get in contact with Waldorf through the M last year. I would also like to try the Quantum. But it looks very complex and stuffed with many sub menus. On the other hand, it also has the Fatar Poly AT Keybed, just like the one on the Super Gemini. So I will see. Enough stuff for new videos! 😁