I certainly notice a difference, but not a $3,500 difference. You would most assuredly not hear the difference in a mix, plus in a mix you good double up the OB-XA if needed. And yes, Tom Sawyer sounded better on the OB-X8.
Good, useful vid, thx. But you're not a Rush fan, and it shows! "Dive Bomb"?? You/they spelled Tom Sawyer wrong! The UB-Xa patch had wayyy too much slow vibrato, pulsing/beating...which may have been a function of too much deture, but it was too warbly. Yes, I'm picky...but you started it, lol. Liked and subbed.
I'm not a Behringer hater by any stretch, but that 'bump' sound on the UB's note-on is super distracting. I hope they can sort it out with a firmware update like they did for the Pro-800's envelopes.
I definitely personally hear a difference...but not enough to justify the price difference. The fact Behringer's desktop model of it is $800 means that's the one I'm going for
Excellent review! Thank you for taking the time do demonstrate these two synths, side-by-side! That clicking / thumping sound at note onset, is most likely due to VCA / VCF balance or bias being offset from the "balanced" setting. When unbalanced, control voltage will bleed through to the audio path, so you'd hear the envelope CV in the audio path. Regarding the Tom Sawyer sound, I believe that is due tp the Oberheim spreading VCF tuning across the unison voices, whereas the Behringer seems to keep VCF relatively constant between voices, which has a less complex sound. Both of those issues could be addressed with firmware update, so well see! The VCF cut-off limit on the Behringer is disappointing; it's possibly firmware fixable, but may be a limitation of the filter circuit or component selection. The Behringer envelope generator attack phase is not typical of vintage synths, in that the exponential "goal" is set equal to the sustain value, rather than a higher value (usually 3 x sustain, or so). This results in the attack phase seeming to linger a bit before the decay phase kicks in. I'm surprised the Behringer team missed that, but it is, perhaps, another firmware addressable issue. Cheers!
As somebody who can't afford either unit, I simply cannot unhear that "click" or "thump", or whatever you want to call it, when you trigger notes no the UB-Xa, and to me, the filter on the OB-X8 just sounds a bit smoother and cleaner. That being said, both synths sound great, and in an actual song, I doubt you'd be able to identify whether you've used one or the other.
Wow! You've done a proper job of comparing those two. An excellent job in fact. I also love the overhead viewpoint, making us appreciate how "compact" the UB-Xa is. Soundwise I think the Behringer is as close as two OB-Xa synths to the OB-X8. Thanks for a great comparison, you've obviously worked hard at matching them. BTW, had the UB-Xa for a couple of weeks now, and loving it, despite its minor flaws. @19:57 if you want to recreate that patch more faithfully, I suggest watching Tom Noise's excellent video tutorial on YT on how to program that on the UB-Xa. It's called Tom Sawyer By Rush.
Oberheim staff member Marcus Ryle compared the OBX8 side by side with any important OB series-instr. also with an OBXa. There weren't any significant differences at all but the UB-Xa requires external adjustments if (even) helpful. To me the differences are much bigger than just component tolerances. I'm disappointed. Their pro800 is closer to it's original. Because behringer cloned well in the past I'd expected more authenticity, especially from an ambitious project like UB-Xa.
@@PaulC-Drums Minor flaws (for me) are: red LCD display is poorly located, the performance section is not saved with a patch (might be corrected in a future firmware upgrade maybe?), notchless digital encoder feels a bit flimsy.
There is no comparison, the oberheim is open and as you play up and down you hear the richness and all that makes this unit what we known it to be for over 40 years! Someone please make a proper affordable sampler workstation and let’s move on! Sound matters !
Hi guys, just want to inform that the UBXA has been updated to 2.0 firmware free of charge. Can you make a comparison video with the now updated filter for the UBXA and your thoughts?
Thank you very much for the comparison. Well done. The price for 16 voices and poly aftertouch paired with that sound and the other extras in the UB-XA makes me want it. Lets see when they are finally available in numbers here in Germany.
pretty close yea but clear u can feel the that difference wich reflect on price -- a kind of grains of sound -- sharpness , tightness , brightness -- i am on 4 minute of video first sound and ----- original is much better to me - cheers brothers safe the money this is the way to get your dream --- but !!! when u record customer u wish to get best sound recordings with best equipments to get best of the best --- isnt it ? marketing and business done so well ==== please reply to me if u are profetional musician and safe the money where this money go and what do u expect from your music === for sure for those who just enjoy at home or small events its good enough solution and even no need to compare }
It’s the Behringer that’s overpriced. And if you don’t understand that, you’re the target of this ripoff from a scam company. For your own sake, if you don’t want to spring for an OB-X8, go with a soft synth OB. You’ll thank me later, once you understand. If you can’t listen to the first patch comparison at 19:05 and 19:50 and know the Behringer is a hard pass, you shouldn’t buy either.
About to watch this, with equal abundances of apprehension, excitement and dread - all at the same time: as I just bought an OB-X8, after auctioning off my kidneys. Please justify it for me, Starsky. 🤣
I think I'm going to get a lot of happy UBXa owners and a lot of happy OBX-8 owners ... For the money the B is amazing, and the OB shows why it's more expensive.
@@StarskyCarr As long as the last sentence stands, I’ll use that to help me sleep at night! Thank you so much for making these incredible videos for us! Big fan of your channel! 👏🏼🙏🏼
@@AdamLeeGuitaristworth auctioning off your kidney, I think I gotta do same 😅 a day before starskys ubxa video came out I placed a deposit on a used P5 as was not fealing it with the existing ubxa demos. It's a review I'm not gonna watch as don't want regrets 😅
sound similar to me. I think it depends what your goals are. If you play for yourself and wear headphones, you 'might' be able to tell them apart. In a mix, based on what I'm hearing here, there is NO WAY you could tell them apart.
Thank you very much for the insightful comparison, which I'm sure many people were longing for. Good idea, with EQ one could eventually bring the UB-Xa closer to the originals. It didn't work in my case with Andromeda's SEM-VCF. On that polarizing instrument 2- and four-pole VCFs have exactly the same hi cut. There its totally impossible to attain the OB-series' gliss because non existent frequencies unfortunately can't get emphasized. With the UB-Xa it's perhaps somehow possible.
listening to the video without watching and i have no idea which one is the UB and which one is the OB other when you actively tell so. i get it trying to justify if you already own the OB, but to me, even if the UB would theoreticly sound "less gooder" (imo it doesnt) the difference is not big enough to justify the price.
Hopefully a firmware update can bring them closer. That click needs to go and the Oberheim sizzle is a hallmark of that OB sound. What always stumps me is how these issues end up in a production unit. 6 years developing this synth and in one 27 min video we can hear where the UBXA falls short. Did no one over those 6 years notice the click? Or say hey guys we are missing that sizzle? Why are we rolling off the top end? I don’t get it.
It does amaze me, I did hold great hopes for this Synth but between delays and what not I got peed off in the final moments and ditched the idea of purchasing this.
In case you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years, making unreliable ripoff trash is kind of Behringer's thing. He could be making his own unique synths but instead he knows there's a market for people that want the real thing and think a similar paint job and name makes his crap related.
I seriously don't care if it sounds mono to mono vs the original. Behringer added so many features and 16 voices analog sounds really Good. @ 1199$ that's totally insane. Thanks for the comparison!!
@@ironinquisitor3656I’m old school and need tactile gear. Software is immensely unsatisfying to me. Not to mention being ball and chained from then on to paid updates on the VST AND the OS of your system, both of which will eventually become unsupported by the companies involved, making it very possible to become obsolete and impossible to use.
@@entropybentwhistle Actually, upgrading the OS, DAW, and plugins on a computer is always a choice. People act like you HAVE to do updates, but you don't. I have several older computers that are frozen in time, and they work fine. You don't have to do updates. People usually want to do them to gain new features, but that sometimes comes with baggage.
Caveat - if you want to surf the web on the same computer as your audio software, then security updates may be important... but you don't have to surf the web on your DAW machine.
People want that analog harmonic distortion though plugins haven't got that and it is difficult to recreate with VST distortion effects, You switch a piece of good analog gear on and it has that sound straight off the bat, there is a huge difference between the 2 concerning that.
I'm just watching to amuse myself as I ended up returning the X8 (why?, well just look at the used prices. That how I felt about it) back when it first came out and I'm considering the UB because of it's features and price. In a blind test that included the X8, UB, and OB6, simply picking out which tones I like better, I picked the UB and X8 pretty evenly, and the OB6 dead last all 16 (I think) times as it turns out. It kinda crazy how much my eyes influence my hearing, so to speak.
I still prefer the OB-6. I was excited about the X8 coming out only to realize I didn't want it. Definitely don't want the Behringer, since the Xa is my least favorite Oberheim.
@@cfs That's fair. My favorite synth ever is the Xa. Too bad I can't keep an original. No point in getting one if I can't afford to keep it. Maybe one day when I have money to burn and my new best friend is a tech. 😜
I second this…love to see your take on it. I have the Moog Subsequent 37 and the Pro 3. I go back and forth on them as to favorites, but I will say that the Moog is much easier to get a “usable” sound with. I’d welcome any comments where someone might also own both.
Moog and Sequential filters are totally different animals. Apples and oranges imo. Moog filter is more fuzzy, like a big warm fuzzy scarf. Sequential is more streamlined and clean. I have a Matriarch and a Pro 2, and i adore both of em. I usually reach for Matriarch for basslines, and Pro 2 for strange sound design, percussive stuff and leads. But sometimes the Moog is a bit heavy in a mix, Sequential tends to stay out of the way more.
Very very close, but the Oberheim sounds that tiny bit brighter/fizzier. The Behringer sounds like the filter is a touch darker. Maybe editing can get them closer, but I suspect that's just the character it has. The difference doesn't justify splashing out thousands more in my books.
@@SPAZZOID100 you keep spewing the same nonsense over and over, build quality build quality, for something that costs 4.5 times more, you would expect an increase of build quality, that doesn't make it worth 4.5 times more though.
@@SPAZZOID100 the build quality of Behringer gear has been fine for ages. It also has its own type of vintage knob, which sounded pretty great to me. It's also 16 voice and poly after touch. Amazing value for money.
@6:25 a grand to get that kind of DC component getting spit out and having to back off the attack so much to get rid of it, is unacceptable, imo. This thing needs sorting out. Odd choice to get it out the factory as it is.
I don t want either but i think the ob sounds too open. It reminds me of the ob6, i did not like it either. Sold it. And too open is strange since i would pick a prodigy over a grandmother, and that oldy was more open then the new moog. Thanks for the video! Saves me thousands 😎
Genuine question - How can you miss obvious things like the high end frequency cut off after 5 years of cloning something? That Oberheim high end fizz is so characteristic. Are there good reasons they wouldn't they be able to achieve that? Was the OBx8 in OBXA mode the whole time?
Likely he had the resonance turned up on the OB-X8 on the patches with the filter cutoff wide open, and definitely turned all the way down on the UB-Xa. In any case, just turn the resonance up a bit and it comes to life. The Summit is like this as well.
i definitely hear the distinction in tone and prefer the X8's "openness" and depth much more than the muffily, less lifely character on the UB. The latter of those which to me is my gripe with the OB6, which being only 2 pole, sounds a bit soft
You would be much better off and even save some money buying a UDO super gemini. Or you could pick up a used UDO super 6 for about 2k. OBX8 is cool but it ain't worth that sort of money
Understandable, doesn't really scratch the Oberheim itch in my ears. Also, I found out the hard way that buying the first batch of massive polysynths is not risk free. Let others beta test them and badger the manufacturer.
Interesting comparison. There seems to be constant lowpass engaged on Behringer version, which tames the topends and it is definitely noticable. Curious if it is sortable through the menu or is it part of calibration.. or even a hard set design choice. Wondering. Both sounds pretty fantastic. OB8X sounds for me bit better and more matured, but PolyAT is easy the winner in favour for Behringer.
We're at the stage here in 2024 where an oscilloscope is required to tell the diff. Awesome comparison TY. When you mentioned the pop at the start my JP-8000 and 8080 had the same click but on the release. Very annoying and I often wondered why it was not picked up when reviewed back in the day by all the magazines like Sound on Sound and Future Music. Drove me mad. Otherwise a superb synth but its quit a big thing considering it affects everything.
The price of the Oberheim is 4 times higher, because the polyphony is only half of the Behringer. I personally give a shit for the metal Potentiometer 😂for the money ❤I get the Behringer nö doubt! Sound differences are a joke, so little.
The click is a common thing in behringer synths that i thiiink comes from the vco resetting everytime? You can always disable it in the behringer software editor.
Well done! I know which Faust would have bought.....mine showed up a couple days ago. Just learning it, but not disappointed. I love how easy it is to use. The screen is totally fine as is, to my surprise. Vintage modes are sweet. It's stereo! Really nice once I spread the voices. Arp and sequencer super easy. Perf LFO works good for poly AT. Keyboard light, not my favorite, but good enough. Just getting into the bi-timbral oomf. It's roughly the size and weight of VirusTI. Equally quirky. Keeper.
@StarskyCarr I noticed on the dive bomb patch you were trying to replicate, that you didn’t have the filter tracking on the UB, which spreads the filter resonance out, even on the lowest notes. It’s a different sound especially in unison. Great video. Cheers👍
In the Oberheim sits no more electronics than the Behringer. Time for an open gear youtube movie :-) You pay for the Name and everyone goes with the hype. Nice video and have fun!
Oberheim will be glad to know that I'm not getting the Behringer ... because I got fed up waiting and bought a different "master keyboard that has good sounds" instead - a DX7 IID 😎
The Oberheim sounds better in every context. The difference is equivalent to the difference between the Pro 800 and a Prophet 600. The clones sound fine, but nowhere near the originals (even though the OBX8 is not technically an "original")
@@vjfxtheory first, you're deft. Second, you're poor. Third, you want to fool yourself because you can't afford the Oberheim, or you can't justify spending that amount of money to your wife.
I would definitely choose the UB-Xa. And have a lot of money left for other gear! In fact, I did. And not regretting it one bit. The 16 voices and Mod Matrix on it are a huge advantage.
@@t2m1412 Honestly, when listening carefully, you're right. But in a mix, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Let's play and enjoy each other's synths!
Pretty simple: one is way over priced for higher company profits & the other is an absolute steal where 95% of listeners in a blind test can't tell the difference. 16 voice analog with poly AT for cheaper than a Hydrasynth Deluxe?! Yes please!
Considering that this is 1200 USD, and assuming UB-X will also be 1200 USD, you can get both Oberheim ‘sounds’ for 2400 with Keybeds, and extra voices, being able to use each independently, which is cheaper than a sans-keybed OB-X8 by 1100. Even if its slightly off, for most sounds, its sounds great, and is truly a bargain. Hope to see UB-X soon.
Are you spending $2400 USD to get a Bargain? or cause you really need 32 oberhiem voices & in 2 giant keyboards at once.... because if I'm spending that kind of money im spending it to get the best sound quality possible & saving space in my studio to fit another very different instrument equal quality next to it by having it in one OBX-8 which i can use Bi-timbrally to paly 2 separate parts of 2 different model oberhiem's in their perfected form ....NOT to get a kind of thier... but miss the last 8% of fine qualities.... It's always the last 8-10% that matters in separating the very good from the exceptional in all things.
~95% of the sound for less than 25% of the money, that's hard to process! Great comparison, highlights the similarities (many) and differences (significant) very well. Hard to imagine buyers of either being disappointed though.
The low end is most likely caused by the VCAs opening. Most all synths have that. The first thing I do when mixing, is high pass them a bit. I imagine the more notes you play, the more that lowend sums, so in chord mode you'd definitely get a hefty thump.
Those comments hinting the OBX8 sounds better is nonsense to me. 1: The opening of your video; even to completely identical PolySix synths can spund different. But it’s ever so slightly it doesn’t matter in real life/making music. 2: Some write they “like he brighter sound of the OB better therefore it’s better”. No it’s not “better”. It’s slightly different. Both of them use different tricks to sound like they’re 40 years old. And like so they end up having slightly different characters. Like two identical 40 year old synths, that have aged slightly different (the two PolySix synths). 3: Putting these two synths up against eachother like this - trying to make them sound identical, will by default make some individuals choose the OB no matter what - because their minds tell them it’s a “better” synth because it’s bigger and costs 3,5 times more! That’s just how the mind works for some people. Blindfold them and it would be a different matter. 100% guaranteed. I’ve seen results of blind test of synthesizer freaks, that couldn’t tell a DX7 pad from a vintage analog pad! 4: It would be a lot more fun if you made a video, squeezing out the best of the synths by having them be all they can be. Because shure the OB can do some stuff the UB can’t do exactly the same. But make no mistake, the UB can blast the OB out of the sky if you utilize all of it’s power!
Thanks for these deep comparison videos Starsky! Best in the Business! I feel like Behringer will be able to get these even closer with a few firmware updates.
@@StarskyCarrdo you still own your UBXa? Seems like the new 2.0 firmware should fix the DC thump in the envelopes. Very curious to hear your findings! :)
Do u think the output on the UBXA volume output is low relative to the obx8? I find that the 2 pole filter is lower than the 4 pole too. Any idea why this would be and how to adjust this. I have a UBXA so I’m curious and others have commented on this on the FB UBXA group as well but I haven’t seen it discussed online at all. Appreciate your videos
Apparently Behringer has said it’s true to the original. Someone has mentioned in the comments. I’ve not got one to check (or I’d have put it through its paces).
Whoa, for me it's not even close haha, nothing like the real thing. To be honest, I think the GForce Obie emulations could give the Behringer a run for its money, let alone a real Obie.
Great fair demo, Behringer sounds great but behringer gear look so ugly cheesy and feel so cheap!! Starsky why don’t you give some love to matrix1000 and create a patchbank with some modern sounds and classic OBXA tones for the community?
the m1000 is dope and very portable compared to the 6r but it needs some modern patches and than of course you could sell them as starsky patch bank, maybe recreating the sound and patches of the OBx8 would be a great teaser😉. by the way are your prophet VS wavetables compatible with waldorf microwave 1A? 🍻🍻 Starsky
Awesome! I'd sell my studio for a keyboard version of the OB-X8! (3 Workstations plus) But the Behringer sounds nice! Interested in the Behringer JT-16 for sure! The Roland Jupiter-8 has always been my analog soul machine! Great video, my friend!!
Behringer should really pay a graphic designer to help make their gear not look so terrible. How hard is it to rip off paint jobs? They all have this Playschool look about them.
@@MadelnMachines I don’t care about the colors but they all look so crappy. The fonts all look like they’re made for toddlers. It’s a mixture of straight up looking like a product that would be next to an easy bake oven and being a clear example of what happens when someone at a company skimps on a graphic designer because “ they have photoshop and they can just do it”. Between the terrible design and the Happymeal plastic build, they’re just kind of embarrassing. No matter what the price.
Cool video! I've been really happy exploring the UB-Xa so far. I haven't tested yet, but I wonder if the high end roll off is present on all outputs. I wonder if the balancing transformers are causing some loss...
@@dankeplace I said basically. I sold them for next to nothing because that’s what they are worth when they’re cheap to begin with and then they flood the market. When there’s always 50 used units for sale and you want something out of your house you can either race to the bottom price or gift them to someone.
Yeah, the highs are a bit more vibrant on the Oberheim as well. Whether it’s $3500 worth of difference is up to us. If you’re wealthy or a professional, it’s potentially worth the extra cash. But for anybody who is working class or a hobbyist, the Beh simply makes it possible to own a version of the Oberheim sound. I generally find Behringer’s clones to sound very close, but slightly less beefy, and more "precise" than the originals. That’s the only word i can think of to describe it. Used to work with an original 2600 for years, and know the sound super well. Picked up a Beh 2600, and it sounds great but it is lacking the more ‘goopy’ heavy sound of the original; it’s more akin to something like a software synth in its tone. I still love my B2600, it’s just not the same thing.
haha I know - I think they first mentioned it about 6 years ago. It does, however, show that even for a huge company like Behringer recreating classic with modern tech isn't as simple as we might think.
Just waiting for some "purist" to state that original sound more "alive" becauce its brighter but if it was other way around they would say it that UBXA sound too digital and original sounds more analog, dark and has "more meat"
Interestingly i spoke to someone at Behringer about just that. Apparently the owners of the synths they used as comparators or benchmarks were adamant it shouldn’t be too bright and this represents their instruments. I stress this all the way through (as in I’ve not got an original so can’t tell you which is closer). So who knows? … except owners of the original. So whatever you like best is the best I guess is the best result!
I was so happy to get my UB-Xa, but I have no choice but to send it back. That clicking sound is brutal - almost as if there is an LFO on at all times. It's so distracting. And my unit froze up today and needed a power cycle to bring it back to life. A bummer for sure, but she has to go back.
@@joemillo to bad you decided to send it back. Now with the new UB firmeware all these problems are solved. And they added more options. Like beter filter control and the ability to save atrophy settings per patch.
Unfortunately the clicks are a bit of a deal breaker for me. I hope the CS-80 clone doesn't have these problems The Oberheim sounds better, and warmer, though the UB-Xa might be might be a versatile synth in its own right....and i already have an Oberheim Xpander. But the poly-aftertouch is what I'm really after... So...off to a shop to try one out. Hopefully an upgrade at some stage will address the clicking.
This is quit telling. It seems like the resonance behavior really brings out the differences in them. Though, I wonder, with so much control over the atrophy settings on the UB-Xa, if it could sound a bit closer.
@@jibberish00 This guy pretty much nails the Tom Sawyer Growl. ruclips.net/video/5DQJzZ4byxk/видео.html Tom Sawyer by Rush - Recreating the bass sweep on the Behringer UB-Xa
agreed - though the very first chords played at 0.02 then 0.07 tell me the same thing. I know some peoples opinion of "close enough" is different to others, but Id never be happy with the Behringer after hearing those differences - there night and day to me (as much as they can be between similar designs). Maybe its because Im primarily a guitarist, and I can tell the difference between an ash and alder bodied strat, or a 22 v 24 fret neck. Cant fault the UB for the price - and 16 voice with poly AT is nice as well - but...... nothing but the sound really matters, and the OB definitely pips the UB there. Ive held off so far until some comparisons came out - and I do need a desktop version (I already have a Poly AT Keybed) (the UB will be available in that form factor too), but Ill be getting the big wallet out for the OB.
Let's face it, this is the video the Internet has been waiting for when it comes to people interested in the UBXA 😂😀
😂. Yep!
Should have just programmed it properly @@tenalock
@@Dudderlyful I want to hear! I havn't heard the ob resonant sweep matched on this yet! Still it is amazing value.
thanks! The ulinger needs some serious updates but at the end of the day is a 16 voice dual vco analog synth for$1200
They've done such a great job with it eh! Its a no brainer buying one of these!
I certainly notice a difference, but not a $3,500 difference. You would most assuredly not hear the difference in a mix, plus in a mix you good double up the OB-XA if needed. And yes, Tom Sawyer sounded better on the OB-X8.
Good, useful vid, thx.
But you're not a Rush fan, and it shows!
"Dive Bomb"??
You/they spelled Tom Sawyer wrong!
The UB-Xa patch had wayyy too much slow vibrato, pulsing/beating...which may have been a function of too much deture, but it was
too warbly.
Yes, I'm picky...but you started it, lol.
Liked and subbed.
I’ll take the cheaper one thanks
Pretty compelling case for the Ubxa!
That clicking sound on the Behringer is a deal breaker for me. It would just drive me insane.
If that drives you, you allready are insane! 😜
Agreed. But all the owners of it will defend it to the death 😂
Clicking on the keys?
what?
hey, please can you clarify what clicking sound?
Why anyone would give Uli $1200 for this over a VST that sounds better and does more is beyond me.
Which one
Close enough for me! My UB-Xa arrives in a couple days - very excited for it!
Exactly how I feel. It's close enough. I love mine.
I'm not a Behringer hater by any stretch, but that 'bump' sound on the UB's note-on is super distracting. I hope they can sort it out with a firmware update like they did for the Pro-800's envelopes.
I agree... almost wish he hadn't pointed it out; ha! Ruins the UB a little, aside from the X8 also sounding more clear and pure in the top end.
My take-away: They both sound great, and either would be welcome in my little studio!
I have to wait for a Behringer desktop as my studio in the kitchen.
It has existed since 2019, just not mass produced yet.
What about the poly aftertouch though would you need
a poly aftertouch enabled midi keyboard to get the
aftertouch to work.
@err4071 I'm getting UBXA Desktop to use with Hydrasynth Keyboard for poly AT.
My main takeaway is I need that overlay for my Oberheim!
Nah.
O yes, looks so much better indeed.
@@SPAZZOID100yes
@@SPAZZOID100Yup…it has the Page 2 functions printed on it.
Where do they sell it?
I definitely personally hear a difference...but not enough to justify the price difference. The fact Behringer's desktop model of it is $800 means that's the one I'm going for
Excellent review! Thank you for taking the time do demonstrate these two synths, side-by-side! That clicking / thumping sound at note onset, is most likely due to VCA / VCF balance or bias being offset from the "balanced" setting. When unbalanced, control voltage will bleed through to the audio path, so you'd hear the envelope CV in the audio path. Regarding the Tom Sawyer sound, I believe that is due tp the Oberheim spreading VCF tuning across the unison voices, whereas the Behringer seems to keep VCF relatively constant between voices, which has a less complex sound. Both of those issues could be addressed with firmware update, so well see! The VCF cut-off limit on the Behringer is disappointing; it's possibly firmware fixable, but may be a limitation of the filter circuit or component selection. The Behringer envelope generator attack phase is not typical of vintage synths, in that the exponential "goal" is set equal to the sustain value, rather than a higher value (usually 3 x sustain, or so). This results in the attack phase seeming to linger a bit before the decay phase kicks in. I'm surprised the Behringer team missed that, but it is, perhaps, another firmware addressable issue. Cheers!
And he didn’t have KBD Tracking turned on- essential for this patch
As somebody who can't afford either unit, I simply cannot unhear that "click" or "thump", or whatever you want to call it, when you trigger notes no the UB-Xa, and to me, the filter on the OB-X8 just sounds a bit smoother and cleaner.
That being said, both synths sound great, and in an actual song, I doubt you'd be able to identify whether you've used one or the other.
Wow! You've done a proper job of comparing those two. An excellent job in fact. I also love the overhead viewpoint, making us appreciate how "compact" the UB-Xa is. Soundwise I think the Behringer is as close as two OB-Xa synths to the OB-X8. Thanks for a great comparison, you've obviously worked hard at matching them.
BTW, had the UB-Xa for a couple of weeks now, and loving it, despite its minor flaws.
@19:57 if you want to recreate that patch more faithfully, I suggest watching Tom Noise's excellent video tutorial on YT on how to program that on the UB-Xa. It's called Tom Sawyer By Rush.
What, in your opinion, are its minor flaws? Very likely to purchase one for myself, but I'm just curious.
Oberheim staff member Marcus Ryle compared the OBX8 side by side with any important OB series-instr. also with an OBXa. There weren't any significant differences at all but the UB-Xa requires external adjustments if (even) helpful. To me the differences are much bigger than just component tolerances. I'm disappointed. Their pro800 is closer to it's original. Because behringer cloned well in the past I'd expected more authenticity, especially from an ambitious project like UB-Xa.
@@PaulC-Drums
Minor flaws (for me) are: red LCD display is poorly located, the performance section is not saved with a patch (might be corrected in a future firmware upgrade maybe?), notchless digital encoder feels a bit flimsy.
haha , no, if you compare to OB-Xas, they're gonna be a lot closer than comparing the behringer "we tried to get as close as we could" knock off.
@@dpalaoro
BTW, I have since sold the UB-Xa and got an OB-X8.
There is no comparison, the oberheim is open and as you play up and down you hear the richness and all that makes this unit what we known it to be for over 40 years!
Someone please make a proper affordable sampler workstation and let’s move on! Sound matters !
Hi guys, just want to inform that the UBXA has been updated to 2.0 firmware free of charge. Can you make a comparison video with the now updated filter for the UBXA and your thoughts?
Uli the psychopath for prison 2024.
Thank you very much for the comparison. Well done. The price for 16 voices and poly aftertouch paired with that sound and the other extras in the UB-XA makes me want it. Lets see when they are finally available in numbers here in Germany.
Better save money and get the OB-X8. In the meantime I would use better Obsession from Synapse. Great comparison video
pretty close yea but clear u can feel the that difference wich reflect on price -- a kind of grains of sound -- sharpness , tightness , brightness -- i am on 4 minute of video first sound and ----- original is much better to me - cheers brothers safe the money this is the way to get your dream --- but !!! when u record customer u wish to get best sound recordings with best equipments to get best of the best --- isnt it ? marketing and business done so well ==== please reply to me if u are profetional musician and safe the money where this money go and what do u expect from your music === for sure for those who just enjoy at home or small events its good enough solution and even no need to compare }
It’s the Behringer that’s overpriced. And if you don’t understand that, you’re the target of this ripoff from a scam company. For your own sake, if you don’t want to spring for an OB-X8, go with a soft synth OB. You’ll thank me later, once you understand. If you can’t listen to the first patch comparison at 19:05 and 19:50 and know the Behringer is a hard pass, you shouldn’t buy either.
Yup the ubxa version of this patch was mucky
About to watch this, with equal abundances of apprehension, excitement and dread - all at the same time: as I just bought an OB-X8, after auctioning off my kidneys. Please justify it for me, Starsky. 🤣
I think I'm going to get a lot of happy UBXa owners and a lot of happy OBX-8 owners ... For the money the B is amazing, and the OB shows why it's more expensive.
@@StarskyCarr As long as the last sentence stands, I’ll use that to help me sleep at night! Thank you so much for making these incredible videos for us! Big fan of your channel! 👏🏼🙏🏼
@@AdamLeeGuitaristworth auctioning off your kidney, I think I gotta do same 😅 a day before starskys ubxa video came out I placed a deposit on a used P5 as was not fealing it with the existing ubxa demos. It's a review I'm not gonna watch as don't want regrets 😅
You did the right thing.
@@xntricity6446you’ll never regret the P5! It’s gorgeous
That low-end thing is a big deal, unfortunately. Unison mode with a fast attack sounds basically unusable with those pops.
sound similar to me. I think it depends what your goals are. If you play for yourself and wear headphones, you 'might' be able to tell them apart. In a mix, based on what I'm hearing here, there is NO WAY you could tell them apart.
Thank you very much for the insightful comparison, which I'm sure many people were longing for. Good idea, with EQ one could eventually bring the UB-Xa closer to the originals. It didn't work in my case with Andromeda's SEM-VCF. On that polarizing instrument 2- and four-pole VCFs have exactly the same hi cut. There its totally impossible to attain the OB-series' gliss because non existent frequencies unfortunately can't get emphasized. With the UB-Xa it's perhaps somehow possible.
listening to the video without watching and i have no idea which one is the UB and which one is the OB other when you actively tell so. i get it trying to justify if you already own the OB, but to me, even if the UB would theoreticly sound "less gooder" (imo it doesnt) the difference is not big enough to justify the price.
Been waiting for this one! Now add the OB-X8 and that'll be gg.
Hopefully a firmware update can bring them closer. That click needs to go and the Oberheim sizzle is a hallmark of that OB sound. What always stumps me is how these issues end up in a production unit. 6 years developing this synth and in one 27 min video we can hear where the UBXA falls short. Did no one over those 6 years notice the click? Or say hey guys we are missing that sizzle? Why are we rolling off the top end? I don’t get it.
It does amaze me, I did hold great hopes for this Synth but between delays and what not I got peed off in the final moments and ditched the idea of purchasing this.
In case you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years, making unreliable ripoff trash is kind of Behringer's thing. He could be making his own unique synths but instead he knows there's a market for people that want the real thing and think a similar paint job and name makes his crap related.
Sometimes I can't tell which is which and other times the OBX8 wins. The UB is a steal for 1200.
I seriously don't care if it sounds mono to mono vs the original. Behringer added so many features and 16 voices analog sounds really Good. @ 1199$ that's totally insane. Thanks for the comparison!!
Yep. Features vs quality, with a price difference.
@@cfs Oberheim owner ? ;)
For people who say the Behringer is better because it's cheaper, check out Arturia OP-Xa V and save over $1000 vs. the Behringer
I like hardware over software so nah.
@@ironinquisitor3656I’m old school and need tactile gear. Software is immensely unsatisfying to me. Not to mention being ball and chained from then on to paid updates on the VST AND the OS of your system, both of which will eventually become unsupported by the companies involved, making it very possible to become obsolete and impossible to use.
@@entropybentwhistle Actually, upgrading the OS, DAW, and plugins on a computer is always a choice. People act like you HAVE to do updates, but you don't. I have several older computers that are frozen in time, and they work fine. You don't have to do updates. People usually want to do them to gain new features, but that sometimes comes with baggage.
Caveat - if you want to surf the web on the same computer as your audio software, then security updates may be important... but you don't have to surf the web on your DAW machine.
People want that analog harmonic distortion though
plugins haven't got that and it is difficult to recreate
with VST distortion effects,
You switch a piece of good analog gear on and
it has that sound straight off the bat, there is a
huge difference between the 2 concerning that.
I'm just watching to amuse myself as I ended up returning the X8 (why?, well just look at the used prices. That how I felt about it) back when it first came out and I'm considering the UB because of it's features and price. In a blind test that included the X8, UB, and OB6, simply picking out which tones I like better, I picked the UB and X8 pretty evenly, and the OB6 dead last all 16 (I think) times as it turns out. It kinda crazy how much my eyes influence my hearing, so to speak.
I still prefer the OB-6. I was excited about the X8 coming out only to realize I didn't want it. Definitely don't want the Behringer, since the Xa is my least favorite Oberheim.
@@cfs That's fair. My favorite synth ever is the Xa. Too bad I can't keep an original. No point in getting one if I can't afford to keep it. Maybe one day when I have money to burn and my new best friend is a tech. 😜
The X8 has SEM.
@@bengsynthmusic Yep
We still need a Pro 3 video from you, Starsky … ! 🙏🏼
I second this…love to see your take on it. I have the Moog Subsequent 37 and the Pro 3. I go back and forth on them as to favorites, but I will say that the Moog is much easier to get a “usable” sound with. I’d welcome any comments where someone might also own both.
I'll have to see if I can borrow one from somewhere.
Moog and Sequential filters are totally different animals. Apples and oranges imo. Moog filter is more fuzzy, like a big warm fuzzy scarf. Sequential is more streamlined and clean. I have a Matriarch and a Pro 2, and i adore both of em. I usually reach for Matriarch for basslines, and Pro 2 for strange sound design, percussive stuff and leads. But sometimes the Moog is a bit heavy in a mix, Sequential tends to stay out of the way more.
Very very close, but the Oberheim sounds that tiny bit brighter/fizzier.
The Behringer sounds like the filter is a touch darker. Maybe editing can get them closer, but I suspect that's just the character it has.
The difference doesn't justify splashing out thousands more in my books.
Build quality plus vintage knob.
@@SPAZZOID100 you keep spewing the same nonsense over and over, build quality build quality, for something that costs 4.5 times more, you would expect an increase of build quality, that doesn't make it worth 4.5 times more though.
@@SPAZZOID100 the build quality of Behringer gear has been fine for ages.
It also has its own type of vintage knob, which sounded pretty great to me.
It's also 16 voice and poly after touch. Amazing value for money.
@6:25 a grand to get that kind of DC component getting spit out and having to back off the attack so much to get rid of it, is unacceptable, imo.
This thing needs sorting out. Odd choice to get it out the factory as it is.
the oberheim has different envelope models based on the 3 differ ob's
I don t want either but i think the ob sounds too open. It reminds me of the ob6, i did not like it either. Sold it. And too open is strange since i would pick a prodigy over a grandmother, and that oldy was more open then the new moog. Thanks for the video! Saves me thousands 😎
behringer can only copy
It's a bad copy, sounds like a 64 kB MP3 compared to wav
What exactly do you think the X8 is?
The X8 is an original hence it's an Oberheim. Pricey, but you here the difference.
Genuine question - How can you miss obvious things like the high end frequency cut off after 5 years of cloning something? That Oberheim high end fizz is so characteristic. Are there good reasons they wouldn't they be able to achieve that? Was the OBx8 in OBXA mode the whole time?
oh, so THAT'S why the real deal costs so much more...
Behringer is dull🤷🏼♂️
Likely he had the resonance turned up on the OB-X8 on the patches with the filter cutoff wide open, and definitely turned all the way down on the UB-Xa. In any case, just turn the resonance up a bit and it comes to life. The Summit is like this as well.
i definitely hear the distinction in tone and prefer the X8's "openness" and depth much more than the muffily, less lifely character on the UB. The latter of those which to me is my gripe with the OB6, which being only 2 pole, sounds a bit soft
Yes!! Been waiting for this! Edit: as much as I appreciate Behringer’s attempt (and it is close), I will continue saving for the OB-X8.
Sort of close. The build is more solid on the OBX8.
You would be much better off and even save some money buying a UDO super gemini. Or you could pick up a used UDO super 6 for about 2k. OBX8 is cool but it ain't worth that sort of money
@@uv77mc85. Gemini has some nice features, but not worth its current asking price!
Understandable, doesn't really scratch the Oberheim itch in my ears. Also, I found out the hard way that buying the first batch of massive polysynths is not risk free. Let others beta test them and badger the manufacturer.
One is an OB-X, one is an OB-Xa. There will be differences.
Interesting comparison. There seems to be constant lowpass engaged on Behringer version, which tames the topends and it is definitely noticable. Curious if it is sortable through the menu or is it part of calibration.. or even a hard set design choice. Wondering.
Both sounds pretty fantastic. OB8X sounds for me bit better and more matured, but PolyAT is easy the winner in favour for Behringer.
We're at the stage here in 2024 where an oscilloscope is required to tell the diff.
Awesome comparison TY. When you mentioned the pop at the start my JP-8000 and 8080 had the same click but on the release. Very annoying and I often wondered why it was not picked up when reviewed back in the day by all the magazines like Sound on Sound and Future Music. Drove me mad. Otherwise a superb synth but its quit a big thing considering it affects everything.
The price of the Oberheim is 4 times higher, because the polyphony is only half of the Behringer. I personally give a shit for the metal Potentiometer 😂for the money ❤I get the Behringer nö doubt! Sound differences are a joke, so little.
The click is a common thing in behringer synths that i thiiink comes from the vco resetting everytime? You can always disable it in the behringer software editor.
Well done! I know which Faust would have bought.....mine showed up a couple days ago. Just learning it, but not disappointed. I love how easy it is to use. The screen is totally fine as is, to my surprise. Vintage modes are sweet. It's stereo! Really nice once I spread the voices. Arp and sequencer super easy. Perf LFO works good for poly AT. Keyboard light, not my favorite, but good enough. Just getting into the bi-timbral oomf. It's roughly the size and weight of VirusTI. Equally quirky. Keeper.
@StarskyCarr I noticed on the dive bomb patch you were trying to replicate, that you didn’t have the filter tracking on the UB, which spreads the filter resonance out, even on the lowest notes. It’s a different sound especially in unison. Great video. Cheers👍
In the Oberheim sits no more electronics than the Behringer. Time for an open gear youtube movie :-) You pay for the Name and everyone goes with the hype. Nice video and have fun!
Oberheim will be glad to know that I'm not getting the Behringer ... because I got fed up waiting and bought a different "master keyboard that has good sounds" instead - a DX7 IID 😎
''The devil's in the detail''. Having said that, the price is most certainly not a detail for the OB-X8 ;)
that’s also a great BoC track
You get what you pay for. The Uli Oberheim I think would sound fine in the mix
It’s even better that they are not totally identical. It is so good that UbXa has its own timbre flavor!
yeah but it's a resort of not hitting the mark. 😂
The Oberheim sounds better in every context. The difference is equivalent to the difference between the Pro 800 and a Prophet 600. The clones sound fine, but nowhere near the originals (even though the OBX8 is not technically an "original")
@@vjfxtheory first, you're deft. Second, you're poor. Third, you want to fool yourself because you can't afford the Oberheim, or you can't justify spending that amount of money to your wife.
I would definitely choose the OBX8
I would definitely choose the UB-Xa. And have a lot of money left for other gear! In fact, I did. And not regretting it one bit. The 16 voices and Mod Matrix on it are a huge advantage.
@@AlainHubert But the sound is definitely better with Obx8. A matter of taste, as they say🤭
@@t2m1412
Honestly, when listening carefully, you're right. But in a mix, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Let's play and enjoy each other's synths!
OBX8 definitely sounds better but not sure if the extra cost justifies this.
@@AlainHubertbuild quality.
Pretty simple: one is way over priced for higher company profits & the other is an absolute steal where 95% of listeners in a blind test can't tell the difference. 16 voice analog with poly AT for cheaper than a Hydrasynth Deluxe?! Yes please!
Considering that this is 1200 USD, and assuming UB-X will also be 1200 USD, you can get both Oberheim ‘sounds’ for 2400 with Keybeds, and extra voices, being able to use each independently, which is cheaper than a sans-keybed OB-X8 by 1100. Even if its slightly off, for most sounds, its sounds great, and is truly a bargain. Hope to see UB-X soon.
Are you spending $2400 USD to get a Bargain? or cause you really need 32 oberhiem voices & in 2 giant keyboards at once.... because if I'm spending that kind of money im spending it to get the best sound quality possible & saving space in my studio to fit another very different instrument equal quality next to it by having it in one OBX-8 which i can use Bi-timbrally to paly 2 separate parts of 2 different model oberhiem's in their perfected form ....NOT to get a kind of thier... but miss the last 8% of fine qualities.... It's always the last 8-10% that matters in separating the very good from the exceptional in all things.
19:08 Divebomb = Instant Tom Sayer by Rush
~95% of the sound for less than 25% of the money, that's hard to process! Great comparison, highlights the similarities (many) and differences (significant) very well. Hard to imagine buyers of either being disappointed though.
and layer 2 patches in Dual mode for a HUGE 8-voice OB poly
The slew rate of the Oberheim sounds faster. Better op-amps?
The low end is most likely caused by the VCAs opening. Most all synths have that. The first thing I do when mixing, is high pass them a bit. I imagine the more notes you play, the more that lowend sums, so in chord mode you'd definitely get a hefty thump.
They sound exactly the same to me l, still waiting for that Jupiter 8 and CS80 clone though.
Your videos are always top notch, a real gift for us all! Thank you!
Thanks.
Those comments hinting the OBX8 sounds better is nonsense to me.
1: The opening of your video; even to completely identical PolySix synths can spund different. But it’s ever so slightly it doesn’t matter in real life/making music.
2: Some write they “like he brighter sound of the OB better therefore it’s better”.
No it’s not “better”. It’s slightly different.
Both of them use different tricks to sound like they’re 40 years old. And like so they end up having slightly different characters. Like two identical 40 year old synths, that have aged slightly different (the two PolySix synths).
3: Putting these two synths up against eachother like this - trying to make them sound identical, will by default make some individuals choose the OB no matter what - because their minds tell them it’s a “better” synth because it’s bigger and costs 3,5 times more! That’s just how the mind works for some people.
Blindfold them and it would be a different matter. 100% guaranteed.
I’ve seen results of blind test of synthesizer freaks, that couldn’t tell a DX7 pad from a vintage analog pad!
4: It would be a lot more fun if you made a video, squeezing out the best of the synths by having them be all they can be.
Because shure the OB can do some stuff the UB can’t do exactly the same.
But make no mistake, the UB can blast the OB out of the sky if you utilize all of it’s power!
Thanks for these deep comparison videos Starsky! Best in the Business! I feel like Behringer will be able to get these even closer with a few firmware updates.
Cheers, and yeah the updates normally iron out little issues or enhance stuff pretty quickly.
@@StarskyCarrdo you still own your UBXa? Seems like the new 2.0 firmware should fix the DC thump in the envelopes. Very curious to hear your findings! :)
Do u think the output on the UBXA volume output is low relative to the obx8? I find that the 2 pole filter is lower than the 4 pole too. Any idea why this would be and how to adjust this. I have a UBXA so I’m curious and others have commented on this on the FB UBXA group as well but I haven’t seen it discussed online at all. Appreciate your videos
The thud attack is not acceptable. That has to be fixed.
Apparently Behringer has said it’s true to the original. Someone has mentioned in the comments. I’ve not got one to check (or I’d have put it through its paces).
I'm just here for that overlay lol.
Why?
I dunno. Looks pretty cool and I was hoping someone would bring back the blue and black. Classic look. @@SPAZZOID100
Whoa, for me it's not even close haha, nothing like the real thing. To be honest, I think the GForce Obie emulations could give the Behringer a run for its money, let alone a real Obie.
Great fair demo, Behringer sounds great but behringer gear look so ugly cheesy and feel so cheap!!
Starsky why don’t you give some love to matrix1000 and create a patchbank with some modern sounds and classic OBXA tones for the community?
Times the main restriction! Just sold my M6R as I’ve OD’d on OBs… and prefer the M1000 overall.
the m1000 is dope and very portable compared to the 6r but it needs some modern patches and than of course you could sell them as starsky patch bank, maybe recreating the sound and patches of the OBx8 would be a great teaser😉.
by the way are your prophet VS wavetables compatible with waldorf microwave 1A?
🍻🍻 Starsky
Cancelled my ub order cos i am skint. Gutted now.
Good call
much more presence on the X8, but I wonder if you switch those modes on Behringer to "modern" or whatever they have if the presence comes back.
OB-X8 sounds a little brighter or there is a hint of chorus or something on it.
$100 for a sticker overlay seems steep. Is it nice? Worth it?
Sound much better the oberheim, the rason can the convertes quality?
Awesome! I'd sell my studio for a keyboard version of the OB-X8!
(3 Workstations plus)
But the Behringer sounds nice! Interested in the Behringer JT-16 for sure! The Roland Jupiter-8 has always been my analog soul machine! Great video, my friend!!
Do you suggest ub or ob?
@alice1547 OB-X8 for sure!
The sound is warmer & has more character 😀
Behringer should really pay a graphic designer to help make their gear not look so terrible. How hard is it to rip off paint jobs? They all have this Playschool look about them.
They can’t afford one
@@TonyAndersonMusic haha
I know - completely wrong blue
@@MadelnMachines I don’t care about the colors but they all look so crappy. The fonts all look like they’re made for toddlers. It’s a mixture of straight up looking like a product that would be next to an easy bake oven and being a clear example of what happens when someone at a company skimps on a graphic designer because “ they have photoshop and they can just do it”. Between the terrible design and the Happymeal plastic build, they’re just kind of embarrassing. No matter what the price.
Its really objectively not that bad at all, you just hate behringer
Thanks Starsky, you put a lot of work into this & enjoyed the comparison....also enjoyed watching the chilled cat 😀
that's about as chilled as I've ever seen him. He's the house guard cat and patrols around checking everyone coming, going or just walking past 😂🐈⬛😸
When you need an oscilloscope to tell the difference, I'd say you're good to buy the clone. Screw those Oberheim prices, THANK YOU BEHRINGER
haha, yeah I use the scope to reduce the number of endless arguments about perceived qualities, and keep stuff fact based as much as possible.
Ob definitely has more sizzle on high end
Both sound great
Cool video! I've been really happy exploring the UB-Xa so far. I haven't tested yet, but I wonder if the high end roll off is present on all outputs. I wonder if the balancing transformers are causing some loss...
If the two had the same price, which one would you choose. Aha I thought that.
The 8s pinstripe overlay confused the heck out of me 😂
OB-X8 sounds better but in a mix it won't be easy to hear it
Some people give Behringer a hard time, but most of their clones would still have been bargains at twice the price.
Hats off.
I basically threw my Behringers away. I did keep the rd8 though.
@@VincentPresley sure you did, you just picked them up and *threw them away* , rather than sell them like normal people.
Smells like bullshit to me.
@@dankeplace I said basically. I sold them for next to nothing because that’s what they are worth when they’re cheap to begin with and then they flood the market. When there’s always 50 used units for sale and you want something out of your house you can either race to the bottom price or gift them to someone.
Great Video , thanks for taking the time . for me the OBX8 sounded more rich open and with depth especially in the low end
Yeah, the highs are a bit more vibrant on the Oberheim as well. Whether it’s $3500 worth of difference is up to us. If you’re wealthy or a professional, it’s potentially worth the extra cash. But for anybody who is working class or a hobbyist, the Beh simply makes it possible to own a version of the Oberheim sound.
I generally find Behringer’s clones to sound very close, but slightly less beefy, and more "precise" than the originals. That’s the only word i can think of to describe it. Used to work with an original 2600 for years, and know the sound super well. Picked up a Beh 2600, and it sounds great but it is lacking the more ‘goopy’ heavy sound of the original; it’s more akin to something like a software synth in its tone. I still love my B2600, it’s just not the same thing.
Built-in-powersupply♥️
Been waiting years for this.
haha I know - I think they first mentioned it about 6 years ago. It does, however, show that even for a huge company like Behringer recreating classic with modern tech isn't as simple as we might think.
Just waiting for some "purist" to state that original sound more "alive" becauce its brighter but if it was other way around they would say it that UBXA sound too digital and original sounds more analog, dark and has "more meat"
Interestingly i spoke to someone at Behringer about just that. Apparently the owners of the synths they used as comparators or benchmarks were adamant it shouldn’t be too bright and this represents their instruments. I stress this all the way through (as in I’ve not got an original so can’t tell you which is closer).
So who knows? … except owners of the original. So whatever you like best is the best I guess is the best result!
Thanks for the demo - super helpful. Question, what oscilloscope do you use for your demo?
Melda productions - there’s even a free version.
I was so happy to get my UB-Xa, but I have no choice but to send it back. That clicking sound is brutal - almost as if there is an LFO on at all times. It's so distracting. And my unit froze up today and needed a power cycle to bring it back to life. A bummer for sure, but she has to go back.
...good to know! I absolutely could not deal with issues like those.
@@joemillo to bad you decided to send it back. Now with the new UB firmeware all these problems are solved. And they added more options. Like beter filter control and the ability to save atrophy settings per patch.
Unfortunately the clicks are a bit of a deal breaker for me.
I hope the CS-80 clone doesn't have these problems
The Oberheim sounds better, and warmer, though the UB-Xa might be might be a versatile synth in its own right....and i already have an Oberheim Xpander.
But the poly-aftertouch is what I'm really after...
So...off to a shop to try one out.
Hopefully an upgrade at some stage will address the clicking.
idem for me
The part was all I needed to know about their differences:
19:05 OB-X8
19:50 UB-XA
This part was all I needed to know about their differences:
19:05 OB-X8
19:50 UB-XA
Btw... Thanks for doing this video!
This is quit telling. It seems like the resonance behavior really brings out the differences in them. Though, I wonder, with so much control over the atrophy settings on the UB-Xa, if it could sound a bit closer.
There are others who have come much closer than this... ruclips.net/video/Kn3JJuZsHKU/видео.htmlsi=c4xIWgEo4v_cvWvQ
There's also this one and Tom brings up some really good info .... ruclips.net/video/5DQJzZ4byxk/видео.htmlsi=Pnl116yps7VfQN1O
@@jibberish00 This guy pretty much nails the Tom Sawyer Growl. ruclips.net/video/5DQJzZ4byxk/видео.html Tom Sawyer by Rush - Recreating the bass sweep on the Behringer UB-Xa
agreed - though the very first chords played at 0.02 then 0.07 tell me the same thing. I know some peoples opinion of "close enough" is different to others, but Id never be happy with the Behringer after hearing those differences - there night and day to me (as much as they can be between similar designs). Maybe its because Im primarily a guitarist, and I can tell the difference between an ash and alder bodied strat, or a 22 v 24 fret neck. Cant fault the UB for the price - and 16 voice with poly AT is nice as well - but...... nothing but the sound really matters, and the OB definitely pips the UB there. Ive held off so far until some comparisons came out - and I do need a desktop version (I already have a Poly AT Keybed) (the UB will be available in that form factor too), but Ill be getting the big wallet out for the OB.
They sounds absolutely identical.