I am an USMC Infantry Assault Marine (0351) and you can 'What If" yourself to death. There is no magical amount of ammo or what not. Sooner or later you will take a bullet and you will be out of action regardless of ammo stored etc. Whether that bullet be in the arm or leg or abdomen.. you will be out of action. You will eventually run out of ammo even if you magically manage to NOT GET HIT in gun battles. The key is to fight smarter than your enemies. FIght when you HAVE to and evade battle when you NEED to. With the proliferation of body armor, train to shoot at the belly not the chest. RIfle recoil RISES not drops so starting at the "Nut to gut" shooting where there is NO ARMOR and moving up. SHooting the pelvic area shatters the pelvis and drops the enemy immediately creating massive pain and hemorrhaging. We watched insurgents get shot in that area and the IMMEDIATE effect it had on them was impressive. A man can take several 5.56 rounds and live to fight enough to cause a rolling battle for hours. If and when the shot person dies we don't know because nobody is going to move up and risk being shot themselves to prove the shooter is dead. Not for several hours as we saw in Iraq. Good stuff keep it up
The more you have the better as well as level 3 plus or level 4 vest ; unlike USA military a person has no real resupply logistics the military has;the late Paul harrel gave a lot good info.
@shoktroop - I disagree. You train to shoot where you want to hit. No one should train to shoot one spot. I train to shoot within the range of my closed fist. That is a diff target every time. Groin, head, shoulder or heart. You never train mindlessly. But groin shots are good targets. Break the hip and they cannot chase you.
I spent 17 years as an armed security contractor. For all of our force on force training, we used ARs modded to only accept blanks and fitted with either MILES or SAAB laser systems. During the thousands of drills I participated in or observed, things never went as many rounds as one would think. Regardless of the number of participants, skill level of participants, terrain, distance, etc., once triggers start getting pulled, mass neutralizations always occured. I believe those who get themselves into Hollywood movie shootouts when shtf are gonna have very short-lived careers. My experience tells me that survival has more to do with conflict avoidance than the number of loaded magazines in your closet. When conflict cannot be avoided, I'd do all I could to manipulate the circumstances in my favor by fighting as unfair and asymmetrically as possible.
When the shit really hits the fan most people are going to become loot drops, nothing more. And when your three bedroom two bath "Compound" is attacked by multiple adversaries, chances are you won't even get to empty an entire mag before you become said loot drop. My Pops was career military, he always told me "They will take you out, just take as many of the sonsabitches as you can with you".
People whose strategy is to get into lots of armed confrontations need not bother to stock up much ammor. Or food or anything else. Maybe two or three weeks worth. By that time, they'll be feeding the crows and coyotes.
Yes that's very true. 👍 i was just thinking about this today. Even if you out fire power them. They will just wait for you to sleep and then fire bomb your compound! You run out and then you are a sitting duck!
Y’all do realize if SHTF happens you will have time to load your mags… it’s not going to be mad max day one… even if it’s a Red Dawn scenario you will have an hour or more to load mags… it takes 5 minutes tops
I have been prepping for over ten years. I have food, water and the means to protect it all. However!!! the real question is: How many gun fights can you win? As I get older, I am realizing It will be harder and harder. I have a plan to be used as a force multiplier but I sure as hell am not going to "announce" anything on the internet.
It really comes down to if you are not in shape it’s over. If you are in shape you can move fast, if you can move fast you are harder to hit, if you are harder to hit your chances of several go up a lot more that having 100 loaded magazines. That just my opinion on this. I could be right or I could be wrong.
An ammo stash isn't for the fight. It's for the training prior to the fight. What you say is correct about mags loaded. But the ammo stash is for the times when the availability has evaporated. When the cost becomes prohibitive. When/if the fight comes loaded mags will be all you have. But, until that time comes, ammo shortages will happen, inflation will eat away your purchasing power (means less ammo you can afford). In 2005 a hundred rounds of 9mm was 9.99. Now it's $45.00 WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE 5 YEARS FROM NOW? Some of us are still shooting that $9.99 ammo from 2005 because we had a stash
You made exactly the point I was going to. Lots of mags not just to keep loaded but to have brand new spares, mechanical things tend to break. Lots of ammo because stock up when its "cheap" (a relative term). During the covid pandemic both 9 mm and 556 doubled in price if you could even find it. Mags are cheaper when you find sales on packs of 10. Right now in late 2024 prices are probably as low as they're going to get, and still higher than they were in 2019 but just by a little bit. But if you're not training with it at least monthly, you're probably wasting your time anyway. People that think they're going to get in a multi-thousand round firefight are probably watching too many movies. You'd be better off to spend some time and money stocking food preps which you are much more likely to use.
Holy poop! Where do you buy your 9 x 19 millimeter ammo? I have seen it for $15 per fifty shots in full metal jacket. Inflation is destroying our dollar right now because our Congress won't stop spending. They are thieves.
Good information and thank you. Im a wife and i load my own magazines. Men have the advantage on physical strength for sure but you have a point and what aint loaded and ready doesnt matter when you are going hot. Take care and i appreciate the knowledge you share.
Any civilian that commits to fire fight is benighted. I would highly recommend, The Official US Army Special Forces Unconventional Warfare Handbook: Guerrilla Warfare, Resistance & Insurgency: Winning Asymmetric Wars from the / FM 31-21) (Carlile Military Library) as well as, Asymmetrical Warfare: Today's Challenge to U.S. Military Power by Roger W. Barnett A load out for an M4 10 mags x 28 rounds equals at about 1 pound each. Everyone should have a half a dozen M67s. The capacity to make anti personnel mines and booby traps should not be overlooked. I Prefer a Benelli M4 with four thirty round bandoleers. To each their own.
As a VETERAN, I agree with you totally , I also look to buy deals where you buy 100 Rounds of 223 PMC BRONZE & they throw in 10 pmags, priced around $99.95 PSA Premium 5.56 Nickle Boron + 10 pmags for $156.90 right now) at PSA NOW HALLOWEEN SALE. !
Not only keep all your mags loaded , but id say put all your loose rounds that you can on stripper clips. And keep a strjpper clip loader attached to your chest rig/plate carrier or key chain...
I saw the writing on the wall back in 2014. Started stocking up on ammo and mags (and more guns/builds) every single paycheck. Sometimes a little, sometimes a few grand worth on credit. 10 years later and I probably have more ammo then I'll ever shoot. It'll be passed down to my grandchildren, more than likely. If SHTF, I'm probably going to be unalived in the first few weeks. I'll take as many with me as possible, but my plate carrier can only take so much. If i was in the country with my own trusted warband, I might survive it. But being a lone wolf in a deep blue state in the burbs, I know it's going to be complete chaos.
Most will not live long enough to empty their first magazine. Many will not even live long enough to even draw their gun much less fire it. I stocked up as if I will live a good long while, but fully realize that evading the gunfight right from the get go is the best way to survive one! My main fighting pistol has ten magazines that hold 17 rounds (loaded to 15) and the rifle has at least 6. I'll keep adding magazines and ammo as I can but money is tight for keeping the bills paid today!
Sounds like you're ready. I download everything by 2 rounds also, 6 for primary (AR), 4 for secondary (AK) and 4 Glock sticks for 2 pistols. In the city, I probably won't last longer than that. And--if you get out and away uninjured, you "won the gunfight".
I agree that many will not live very long. If you live long enough to fire 10 magazines at one time y0u would be very lucky. More like if you can fire 3 magazines . I do have a few thousand rounds for most of the 3 main calibers I use, the 556. 9 mm and 40 cal. Not that I think I will need them but because of the price keeps going up and the shortages every few years. I do reload and keep a good number of primers and powder on hand , again just because of the prices going up and becoming hard to find at times. Hard to justify primers at $ 100 per thousand when they are $ 30 at times.
Most standard suburban homes are pretty much untenable to hold against several determined armed foes, Bullets will pass right thru vinyl siding and drywall like a knife thru butter along with all the windows there really wouldn't be any safe spot to hide from incoming rounds , like my house is a split level and everything above the basement is like that , but if I stayed in the basement which would offer protection against rifle fire except for the windows, there are several windows where a foe could fire thru and also once I was in the basement, it would leave the upstairs unguarded where they could break in a and trap me in the basement with no avenue of retreat other than crawling out the windows or going back upstairs to escape out a door, but they would also know that is where I would be trying to escape to and be waiting, then you have to consider they might set the house on fire and then just wait for you to show yourself as you try to get out and have the exits covered, So when the topic of how much ammo is enough , it really comes down to how much you can carry when your forced to leave in a hurry
Couldn't agree more. It's not about how many loaded mags you have. It's the structure. If a home is overrun by multiple assailants, what will the condition of that structure? There could be so much damage that the next wave would finish it if the first wave didn't. And, yes, no bullet will stop a fire! If you're engaging threats on one side of the house, chances are there's one or more side NOT covered.
Not a bad idea to buy surplus mag pouches too. Any decent peddlers mall has a military surplus booth so check there, 5 to 8 bucks for a 2 or 3 mag pouch is a great deal. You have to be able to carry the mags to use them.
REALITY: If you are an attractive target you will be attacked. If you don’t have someone to cover every approach, you will be overrun. Most preppers have little concept of what things will become.
Defending my house may be untenable but we have 7 out of ten houses are armed and trained, three of us are Marines the rest are hunters and hobby shooters. While defending one house by yourself is probably not realistic having a small group of like minded neighbors makes it not only possible but probable we will prevail
As was briefly mentioned in this video, fire is definitely on the table or a go-to tool of the AUI (Assailant with Unknown Intentions). If you are planning to actively defend your castle on the worst day that you and your neighbors and your surrounding area have ever seen, I suggest that you have a backup plan. Defending your abode from multiple individuals with unknown intentions may be the final mistake of your life. Think about this - the rabbit hole is vast and deep - you will likely have no idea when this event is going to kickoff, you may have no idea what is going on beyond what your eyeballs can see, you will likely have no idea how many AUI are in your area, you may not have access to the normal comms that you have relied upon and so on. Maybe you will be fortunate, but maybe not. Therefore, you should prepare yourself for the uncomfortable and untimely reality that your life and the lives of your loved ones are much more important than the home you've come to believe is a high priority.
Just so that EVERYONE understands WITHOUT QUESTION, NO ONE....is going to be prepared for what is about to come down on us. Do not blind yourself with a false sense of security!!
Stumbled on your video. I am now subscribed. I took the time to listen rather than just such an appearance. I just heard similar conversations but you really brought it to heart with reality . You are right on target with magazines. I think it needs to be buried with one other concept. And that is portability. How many magazines can you carry effectively while potentially engaging the enemy. Vests and belts certainly or a must but billet he to grab a pouch that can handle six or more and swing it over your shoulder is where it’s at. If you have a secondary they can carry a number of these even better. I personally wouldn’t go on the run with less than 20 loaded. And a couple of the primary bags should be filled with the absolute best you can load. Thank you and I am now subscribed
You had me at “feelings “ . Subbed . Real talk : it’s not about the quantity; it’s the company . If you don’t have a Band of Brothers , it will not matter . Cannot do it alone . Location away from numbers is key 🗝 WE THE PEOPLE🗝 🇺🇸
I have been getting ready since 2008. I have north of 10k rounds per caliber stored probably. I have a 100 mags ready to dance for each caliber. I can engage with or walk my neighborhood with the ability to dance with a minimum of 15 mags. My wife can cook but she can’t load mags. Just found your channel and I like the way you think. Howdy from SE Texas.🤠
Not only how many you have, but also how many locations do you have them cached. A stationary target doesn't have the survival rate of some constantly moving locations. Plan several different egress routes and plan accordingly. Know where defendable locations are and plan ahead. A couple of smokers might give cover long enough to change locations. Force multipliers is a real thing. You have the advantage of knowing the layout of the area you are defending.
Thats a good point. Many people think they are good just by stocking 4k rounds. If shtf happened, you more than likely are going to leave the majority of it anyway. Way to much weight. Especially if a vehicle is out of the question. Need to be able to carry it in your pack or body first. Then focus on contingency after that. (Trasporting ammo to the next way point)
I ❤️ SKS Stripper clips or open up the attached magazine and toss a handful in there. Milled receiver accuracy. Built in cleaning kit And melee weapon(Bayonet) 100 stripper clips only cost $100. Durability-accuracy- flexibility-Price Clear winner!!!👍
In the Military we carried 7 Mags at the minimum. As a low level bar, I believe 3 times that on hand at any time. So, at a bare minimum, I recommend 21 mags on hand.
To each his own. Have a duplicate copy of your rifle and at least five or six magazines that hold twenty rounds or more. Load up four to around full capacity and two to 50% capacity. I would feel comfortably armed with that set up. If you are engaged and use over eighty rounds of ammo, you would be very blessed to be able to continue the fight. I doubt most people would survive long enough to fire more than one hundred rounds.
I remember a 00 talk at the end of 99. We were having a poker game a a friend's house. He had a few of his neighbors there to. They started asking about preparing for y2k. He pointed at me and side he lives on his grat grandfather farm there set all the time. He pointed at the guy and said you are my plan. Every body got there own prep inplace. But besides the hunter 2 door's down none of you said anything about buying guns or getting training. You pay me now to protect you. You will still need protect if it happens. If you don't want to pay well theres other ways.
Depends if her nails are done! So, in an effort for family unity and maintaining her manicure, we have a bunch (an obscene quantity) of loaded USGI & Pmags, a bunch of ammo in stripper clips with spoons, and a bunch loose or in boxes. Valid questions! We are both 64 yo and have a home in a suburban/rural setting and a bungalow on land on 40 acres in northern Michigan Deer Country. Checking out some of your other content.
I saw down below a feller proclaimed if ya come under fire by multibule combatants you wouldn't last a 30 round mag. perhaps you should invest in bullet resistant wall panels , (a rifle round can enter one side of the compound and exit the other).
I have 3 muskets, 24 loaded mags, enough in storage to reload them at least 15 times. Speed loader makes all the difference. But shot gun is my go to mob disperser, buck and slug.
I hunt, shoot, plink, reload, reuse, cast my own, buy in bulk, etc alot. I use.22lr to .338 LM, with a sidestep to black powder powered devices. Thus it looks like an ammo depot in my ammo area. I don't have to worry, if I want to empty any number of cases. I have a strategic amount so I can be tactically supplied.
A lot that’s all I’ll say. You might wanna look into Blk Powder too you can make your own. When that stuff runs out you can make your own assuming you survive that long
Glock mags are way harder to load than AR mags. Btw, a .50cal. ammo can holds 24 loaded AR mags (30rd), that 720 rds. That's what I keep loaded, in addition to a bugout bag with 7 full mags.
I think you should have a minimum of five magazines per long gun if they are twenty rounds or more in capacity. If they are less than fifteen shot magazines, have at least ten. I think ten full capacity magazines per long gun is plenty. (Full capacity magazines hold about twenty to thirty-two rounds.) Load up at least four magazines to twenty-nine or nineteen shots. Load one round less than full capacity to make reloads easier to seat in your long gun. Load the remaining magazines to 50% capacity for long term storage.
I was just saying that to myself today I was like I got to get another gun and then I said no I need more magazines and more bullets for the guns I have
When you fail to plan, you plan to fail. I have about a dozen of those MTM magazine crates with ten rifle and five pistol-loaded magazines each-one crate in each vehicle, one in each room of the house with an exact matching rifle upstairs and downstairs, and a few hundred loaded magazines in the safe room in a footlocker. Windows have that 3M ballistic film; five rounds per window pane shatter the glass, but there is no pass-through. When all else fails, two 1000-gallon propane tanks plumbed through my yard sprinkler system should make a nice statement.
I don't have enough to engage in full blown fire fights. I do have enough for long term hunting. I also have Muzzle loaders with lots of lead for balls as a back up along with a few compound bows.
I am working on having a minimum of 21 full capacity magazines for each rifle/carbine. It's getting to be a good sized collection when you have several weapons that use mags.
Thank you for the video. This gives all of us something to think about. I think I am going to head over to Cabela's this week and get more magazines and then load them up as well.
First time watching one of your videos. Let me say I like the way you think. I don't have a ton of ammo but I do have quite a bit. But magazines? Not to many at all.
If / when the SHTF I would expect to have some warning of impending danger. In that case every round would be in a magazine. OTOH, if you currently have all you can legitimately haul loaded, that is what you "need" for right now. As for training, I keep those loaders where you put in the rounds, place the loader on top of the mag and with one action of the hand, load the mag. Make sure that everyone in your house that is expected to participate in an encounter knows how to use the loader and under pressure.
Excellent video..the reality is when it goes down it would probably look something like tony Montana and the way he went out blazing..even thought thats a movie it was as real as life could go in that situation.
@williambraub-mp7jw You nailed it! Lets not forget those that have 10 or more rifles and handguns, Your enemy will thank You for the supplies they needed after taking You out from the safety of an APC.
go with a small unit, think if weight. also consider the kind of batteries. time to buy thermal was a while ago. i got a couple units real cheap. those same units are several thousand a piece now. yikes.....
i have 3 sling bags , one bag has 6 - 25 round magazines for an AR-10 , the next bag has 8 - 30 round magazines for an AK-47 plus 3 mags on my body armor and 4 more in the fanny pack , the third bag has 8 - 32 round Glock mags for my PCC . I might have to change guns half way through the fight ,
Personally, I keep 1000 rounds for my primary rifle and 1000 for my primary pistol, plus a few hundred rounds of various other calibers that I may need. For loaded magazine - None for the primary rifle. about 6 for my primary pistol, plus a couple of 30 round happy sticks loaded. I live in the suburbs, and always have a pistol on my person or within arms-reach. Under normal circumstances, I would not be reaching for my rifle. The pistol is so much easier to manipulate in a house. (and on the streets when you leave the house) If the parachutes start dropping, then I will grab the rifle and the 60 round mags, and load them up, while I have my pistol with the happy sticks next to me. (Point being, the likelihood of ever having a real need to go for the rifle, is very slim. The pistol however, is another matter. For urban and suburban dwellers, the pistol is going to be the primary weapon 95% of the time. Now, folks that live in the country - they would need a rifle to always be handy I think, more than the others.)
Your backpack, whether it's an assault pack, 72 hour, or your ruck should have additional loaded magazines for you to swap out for the unloaded ones. My plate carrier and belt setup hold the least amount of mags out of my rigs with 7 + 1 in the gun. Throw on the assault pack and that's 6 more. One additional point that goes right along with this video is magazine retention. If SHTF there will not be vendors who have pmags for sale. So you're gonna want a dump pouch or other way to retain your magazines. A dump pouch has many other uses as well that make it an awesome piece of kit.
Best content I have seen in a good bit. New sub here. So here is a little of my story. My primary rifle is a Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad rifle, 308 cal. On my equipment vest I carry ten 20rnd magazines. Fully loaded in the configuration my rifle is in comes in at a tad over 9 pounds. Just for endurance training I have weighed out my vest and put that equivalent in dummy weight plus my first aid rig and water and made a facsimile model the overall same size and weight as the M1A. I hike alot like that to stay used to that weight and incumberance. Over distance pounds equals pain real quick. A 200rnd load out with all your other gear, knife, comms, first aid, food etc is not extreme but can be if you are not accustomed to it. As far as mags go? I keep a Harbor Freight tactical box under my bed full of AR mags. The rest are loaded and locked in a safe but those are left for quick access. For my sidearms my comfort level is twenty mags for each gun. For my back up revolvers 2 speed loaders each and I figure if I'm at a point where I am using my 38 Airweight things are nip and tuck and going to my blade and my chances do not look good at that point anyway. My wife and daughters are well trained as well, I sent them to Thunder Ranch to train with Clint.
Break contact, always. Patrolling 14-18 mags starting with a 60rd p-mag drum in the rifle. Fixed position/home, i like to have around 40-50 loaded at any given time. Still going to break contact asap. Offensively, only gonna get froggy as a 4-man fire team or better. Just my thoughts.....
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I think keeping everything where you sleep makes it easier for the people who work for the tyrants to take . That is more of a concern than a group of zombies raiding me . Having caches lets you replenish.
I suggest people get surplus Duramag/EPM mags > PMAGs if keeping them stored for an extended period. PMAGs (Gen 2 specifically) have a problem with feed lips cracking & even came with that little top cover, to take pressure off the lips. They're far from the only poly brand mag with lip cracking issues from long-term storage. That's also how the "only keep 29rds in your 30rd mag" came to be. Ik you know there's poly mags w/metal reinforced feed lips (Gen3s do + others) and some polymer mags are great. But for long-term storage - why risk it? EPMs were even engineered by the Army to reduce or prevent wear from M855A1 steel on the star chamber and feed ramps, an extra slight "perk". $15 for a pack of flatwire mag springs and Magpul/any kind of follower you want. Great info - just thought I'd share what small bit of related wisdom I have.
Well made point. Well, I'm halfway there I suppose. I have all of my 5.56 and 7.62x39 "musket balls" on loader strips and I have prob 3 dozen mags for each platform plus the mag spoon loaders. Guess I'll load 'em all up myself now since I don't have a wife lol. I always buy pmags and a box or two of ammo whenever Im in a place that sells them. I also buy the long bricks of .22 LR bullets. I won't go into detail in ref. what is within my compound, but I'm a bug in type so I have made considerable arrangements in regard to keeping undesirables at distance. Some of those include 30.06, 7.62x54r and other long distance "telephones". I also have like minded neighbors. Hoping things will remain calm but not banking on it.
Great video. I think I have over twenty 30-round magazines for my AR and a couple smaller mages. I need to pick up additional magazines for my other firearms. Living in a state where you can only purchase 10-round magazines doesn't make it very easy.
If u can't afford loaded mags just get your 5.56 on stripper clips. yea they cost more $$ but you're getting M855 on 10 round stripper clips. We can load a 30 rd mags in under 10 seconds.
For most SHTF situations 5k might be enough. In an extended situation, like a down grid, that could last a year you may be cutting it close. Everyone tosses around civil war nowadays. That’s nothing in a situation like that
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I am an USMC Infantry Assault Marine (0351) and you can 'What If" yourself to death. There is no magical amount of ammo or what not. Sooner or later you will take a bullet and you will be out of action regardless of ammo stored etc. Whether that bullet be in the arm or leg or abdomen.. you will be out of action. You will eventually run out of ammo even if you magically manage to NOT GET HIT in gun battles. The key is to fight smarter than your enemies. FIght when you HAVE to and evade battle when you NEED to. With the proliferation of body armor, train to shoot at the belly not the chest. RIfle recoil RISES not drops so starting at the "Nut to gut" shooting where there is NO ARMOR and moving up. SHooting the pelvic area shatters the pelvis and drops the enemy immediately creating massive pain and hemorrhaging. We watched insurgents get shot in that area and the IMMEDIATE effect it had on them was impressive. A man can take several 5.56 rounds and live to fight enough to cause a rolling battle for hours. If and when the shot person dies we don't know because nobody is going to move up and risk being shot themselves to prove the shooter is dead. Not for several hours as we saw in Iraq. Good stuff keep it up
The more you have the better as well as level 3 plus or level 4 vest ; unlike USA military a person has no real resupply logistics the military has;the late Paul harrel gave a lot good info.
@shoktroop - I disagree.
You train to shoot where you want to hit. No one should train to shoot one spot. I train to shoot within the range of my closed fist. That is a diff target every time. Groin, head, shoulder or heart. You never train mindlessly. But groin shots are good targets. Break the hip and they cannot chase you.
thank you for our Freedoms shoktroop!!! my pops is a Devil Dog 67-69 enjoy the day brother
@@mrsmel269 Semper Fi to yer Pops!
@@shoktroop Thank you ill pass it on ;-) enjoy the weekend
You're absolutely right on having as many as possible LOADED mags
I spent 17 years as an armed security contractor. For all of our force on force training, we used ARs modded to only accept blanks and fitted with either MILES or SAAB laser systems. During the thousands of drills I participated in or observed, things never went as many rounds as one would think. Regardless of the number of participants, skill level of participants, terrain, distance, etc., once triggers start getting pulled, mass neutralizations always occured.
I believe those who get themselves into Hollywood movie shootouts when shtf are gonna have very short-lived careers. My experience tells me that survival has more to do with conflict avoidance than the number of loaded magazines in your closet. When conflict cannot be avoided, I'd do all I could to manipulate the circumstances in my favor by fighting as unfair and asymmetrically as possible.
When the shit really hits the fan most people are going to become loot drops, nothing more. And when your three bedroom two bath "Compound" is attacked by multiple adversaries, chances are you won't even get to empty an entire mag before you become said loot drop. My Pops was career military, he always told me "They will take you out, just take as many of the sonsabitches as you can with you".
Your Pops was right! Greetings from Texas. Stay strapped, stay frosty.
People whose strategy is to get into lots of armed confrontations need not bother to stock up much ammor. Or food or anything else. Maybe two or three weeks worth.
By that time, they'll be feeding the crows and coyotes.
Yes that's very true. 👍 i was just thinking about this today. Even if you out fire power them. They will just wait for you to sleep and then fire bomb your compound! You run out and then you are a sitting duck!
Military as a pog……
If there's a situation where you need more than one or two mags then you're almost certainly screwed. Anyone thinking they're Rambo has no clue.
Y’all do realize if SHTF happens you will have time to load your mags… it’s not going to be mad max day one… even if it’s a Red Dawn scenario you will have an hour or more to load mags… it takes 5 minutes tops
That greatly depends on where you are relative to whatever s has htf.
lol 5 mins to load mags.... i load mags when my gf watches the superbowl..... hundreds of mags each time.
What if you are the first house they attack?
Excellent point. Ita better to have 10 loaded mags than to have 1000 rounds in boxes
If the shit hits the fan, what you have loaded is what you have.
@@ronniewhite1634 indeed
Am I allowed to reload what I have? 😅
Time out im loading my mag
I have been prepping for over ten years. I have food, water and the means to protect it all. However!!! the real question is: How many gun fights can you win? As I get older, I am realizing It will be harder and harder. I have a plan to be used as a force multiplier but I sure as hell am not going to "announce" anything on the internet.
It really comes down to if you are not in shape it’s over. If you are in shape you can move fast, if you can move fast you are harder to hit, if you are harder to hit your chances of several go up a lot more that having 100 loaded magazines. That just my opinion on this. I could be right or I could be wrong.
Definitely not wrong
An ammo stash isn't for the fight. It's for the training prior to the fight. What you say is correct about mags loaded. But the ammo stash is for the times when the availability has evaporated. When the cost becomes prohibitive. When/if the fight comes loaded mags will be all you have. But, until that time comes, ammo shortages will happen, inflation will eat away your purchasing power (means less ammo you can afford).
In 2005 a hundred rounds of 9mm was 9.99. Now it's $45.00 WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE 5 YEARS FROM NOW? Some of us are still shooting that $9.99 ammo from 2005 because we had a stash
You made exactly the point I was going to. Lots of mags not just to keep loaded but to have brand new spares, mechanical things tend to break. Lots of ammo because stock up when its "cheap" (a relative term). During the covid pandemic both 9 mm and 556 doubled in price if you could even find it. Mags are cheaper when you find sales on packs of 10. Right now in late 2024 prices are probably as low as they're going to get, and still higher than they were in 2019 but just by a little bit. But if you're not training with it at least monthly, you're probably wasting your time anyway. People that think they're going to get in a multi-thousand round firefight are probably watching too many movies. You'd be better off to spend some time and money stocking food preps which you are much more likely to use.
Holy poop! Where do you buy your 9 x 19 millimeter ammo? I have seen it for $15 per fifty shots in full metal jacket. Inflation is destroying our dollar right now because our Congress won't stop spending. They are thieves.
Loading mags is one thing, doing it while receiving incoming fire is another.
Thanks brother, needed that reminder that my 4 fully and 3 partial + shelf of empty ones needed some attention. Those metal cans sure won’t help much…
Good information and thank you. Im a wife and i load my own magazines. Men have the advantage on physical strength for sure but you have a point and what aint loaded and ready doesnt matter when you are going hot. Take care and i appreciate the knowledge you share.
Any civilian that commits to fire fight is benighted.
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A load out for an M4 10 mags x 28 rounds equals at about 1 pound each. Everyone should have a half a dozen M67s. The capacity to make anti personnel mines and booby traps should not be overlooked.
I Prefer a Benelli M4 with four thirty round bandoleers. To each their own.
As a VETERAN, I agree with you totally , I also look to buy deals where you buy 100 Rounds of 223 PMC BRONZE & they throw in 10 pmags, priced around $99.95
PSA Premium 5.56 Nickle Boron + 10 pmags for $156.90 right now) at PSA NOW HALLOWEEN SALE. !
Not only keep all your mags loaded , but id say put all your loose rounds that you can on stripper clips. And keep a strjpper clip loader attached to your chest rig/plate carrier or key chain...
I saw the writing on the wall back in 2014. Started stocking up on ammo and mags (and more guns/builds) every single paycheck. Sometimes a little, sometimes a few grand worth on credit.
10 years later and I probably have more ammo then I'll ever shoot. It'll be passed down to my grandchildren, more than likely.
If SHTF, I'm probably going to be unalived in the first few weeks. I'll take as many with me as possible, but my plate carrier can only take so much.
If i was in the country with my own trusted warband, I might survive it.
But being a lone wolf in a deep blue state in the burbs, I know it's going to be complete chaos.
Most will not live long enough to empty their first magazine.
Many will not even live long enough to even draw their gun much less fire it.
I stocked up as if I will live a good long while, but fully realize that evading the gunfight right from the get go is the best way to survive one!
My main fighting pistol has ten magazines that hold 17 rounds (loaded to 15) and the rifle has at least 6.
I'll keep adding magazines and ammo as I can but money is tight for keeping the bills paid today!
That's why you're one of the few that's going to make it, most gun guys think bullets only come out of their weapons 😂
Sounds like you're ready. I download everything by 2 rounds also, 6 for primary (AR), 4 for secondary (AK) and 4 Glock sticks for 2 pistols. In the city, I probably won't last longer than that. And--if you get out and away uninjured, you "won the gunfight".
I agree that many will not live very long. If you live long enough to fire 10 magazines at one time y0u would be very lucky. More like if you can fire 3 magazines . I do have a few thousand rounds for most of the 3 main calibers I use, the 556. 9 mm and 40 cal. Not that I think I will need them but because of the price keeps going up and the shortages every few years. I do reload and keep a good number of primers and powder on hand , again just because of the prices going up and becoming hard to find at times. Hard to justify primers at $ 100 per thousand when they are $ 30 at times.
Yep alot don't know how to shoot or where to shoot. Need lots of training
Most standard suburban homes are pretty much untenable to hold against several determined armed foes, Bullets will pass right thru vinyl siding and drywall like a knife thru butter along with all the windows there really wouldn't be any safe spot to hide from incoming rounds , like my house is a split level and everything above the basement is like that , but if I stayed in the basement which would offer protection against rifle fire except for the windows, there are several windows where a foe could fire thru and also once I was in the basement, it would leave the upstairs unguarded where they could break in a and trap me in the basement with no avenue of retreat other than crawling out the windows or going back upstairs to escape out a door, but they would also know that is where I would be trying to escape to and be waiting, then you have to consider they might set the house on fire and then just wait for you to show yourself as you try to get out and have the exits covered, So when the topic of how much ammo is enough , it really comes down to how much you can carry when your forced to leave in a hurry
Couldn't agree more. It's not about how many loaded mags you have. It's the structure. If a home is overrun by multiple assailants, what will the condition of that structure? There could be so much damage that the next wave would finish it if the first wave didn't. And, yes, no bullet will stop a fire! If you're engaging threats on one side of the house, chances are there's one or more side NOT covered.
Not a bad idea to buy surplus mag pouches too.
Any decent peddlers mall has a military surplus booth so check there, 5 to 8 bucks for a 2 or 3 mag pouch is a great deal.
You have to be able to carry the mags to use them.
REALITY: If you are an attractive target you will be attacked. If you don’t have someone to cover every approach, you will be overrun. Most preppers have little concept of what things will become.
Defending my house may be untenable but we have 7 out of ten houses are armed and trained, three of us are Marines the rest are hunters and hobby shooters. While defending one house by yourself is probably not realistic having a small group of like minded neighbors makes it not only possible but probable we will prevail
Until the "community" food runs out. Or egos get bruised. There just is no good scenario but yours is the best there is imo.
As was briefly mentioned in this video, fire is definitely on the table or a go-to tool of the AUI (Assailant with Unknown Intentions).
If you are planning to actively defend your castle on the worst day that you and your neighbors and your surrounding area have ever seen, I suggest that you have a backup plan.
Defending your abode from multiple individuals with unknown intentions may be the final mistake of your life.
Think about this - the rabbit hole is vast and deep - you will likely have no idea when this event is going to kickoff, you may have no idea what is going on beyond what your eyeballs can see, you will likely have no idea how many AUI are in your area, you may not have access to the normal comms that you have relied upon and so on.
Maybe you will be fortunate, but maybe not. Therefore, you should prepare yourself for the uncomfortable and untimely reality that your life and the lives of your loved ones are much more important than the home you've come to believe is a high priority.
Just so that EVERYONE understands WITHOUT QUESTION, NO ONE....is going to be prepared for what is about to come down on us.
Do not blind yourself with a false sense of security!!
Stumbled on your video. I am now subscribed. I took the time to listen rather than just such an appearance. I just heard similar conversations but you really brought it to heart with reality . You are right on target with magazines. I think it needs to be buried with one other concept. And that is portability. How many magazines can you carry effectively while potentially engaging the enemy. Vests and belts certainly or a must but billet he to grab a pouch that can handle six or more and swing it over your shoulder is where it’s at. If you have a secondary they can carry a number of these even better. I personally wouldn’t go on the run with less than 20 loaded. And a couple of the primary bags should be filled with the absolute best you can load. Thank you and I am now subscribed
There is some really good wisdom in this message. I see others pissing on it in the comments section - to each his own. Subscribed.
Let's keep it real, if you have expended 3ea 30-rounders and do not have back-up, your probably screwed anyway!
You had me at “feelings “ .
Subbed .
Real talk : it’s not about the quantity; it’s the company .
If you don’t have a Band of Brothers , it will not matter . Cannot do it alone . Location away from numbers is key 🗝
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Ammo is more about supply for some and barter. Firefights? It’s 3rd. Avoiding battles is foremost
Amen
to me, ammo is never for barter. could end up being to your demise.
It's alright to have couple of magazines loaded for your gun when you have another 50 firearms that are lock and loaded ready to go 😊
I have been getting ready since 2008. I have north of 10k rounds per caliber stored probably. I have a 100 mags ready to dance for each caliber. I can engage with or walk my neighborhood with the ability to dance with a minimum of 15 mags. My wife can cook but she can’t load mags. Just found your channel and I like the way you think. Howdy from SE Texas.🤠
Not only how many you have, but also how many locations do you have them cached. A stationary target doesn't have the survival rate of some constantly moving locations. Plan several different egress routes and plan accordingly. Know where defendable locations are and plan ahead. A couple of smokers might give cover long enough to change locations. Force multipliers is a real thing. You have the advantage of knowing the layout of the area you are defending.
Thats a good point. Many people think they are good just by stocking 4k rounds. If shtf happened, you more than likely are going to leave the majority of it anyway. Way to much weight. Especially if a vehicle is out of the question. Need to be able to carry it in your pack or body first. Then focus on contingency after that. (Trasporting ammo to the next way point)
I ❤️ SKS
Stripper clips or open up the attached magazine and toss a handful in there.
Milled receiver accuracy.
Built in cleaning kit And melee weapon(Bayonet)
100 stripper clips only cost $100.
Durability-accuracy- flexibility-Price
Clear winner!!!👍
30 round Stick magazines for the Thompson 45 cost $70 each. AR-15 (7.62x39) 30 round magazines cost $20. Ruger Mini-14 thirty round magazines cost $37+ for factory mags. Some magazines for some weapons are pretty expensive.
Tying loaded mags to gear choice that's part of the reason I decided to switch to belt kit. Far more mags on handthan any micro rig can manage.
Totally.
I agree mags are necessary. Don't forget to stock up on stripper clips too
I feel the same .I have 50 loaded .and 20 in my truck and 10 at work.unloaded mags are worthless
In the Military we carried 7 Mags at the minimum. As a low level bar, I believe 3 times that on hand at any time. So, at a bare minimum, I recommend 21 mags on hand.
@@augustinegonzales4266 you don't ruck right
To each his own. Have a duplicate copy of your rifle and at least five or six magazines that hold twenty rounds or more. Load up four to around full capacity and two to 50% capacity. I would feel comfortably armed with that set up.
If you are engaged and use over eighty rounds of ammo, you would be very blessed to be able to continue the fight. I doubt most people would survive long enough to fire more than one hundred rounds.
That’s a good question. I never really thought about that. I have three loaded right now…. I hope to God I’d never have to use it.
I remember a 00 talk at the end of 99. We were having a poker game a a friend's house. He had a few of his neighbors there to.
They started asking about preparing for y2k. He pointed at me and side he lives on his grat grandfather farm there set all the time.
He pointed at the guy and said you are my plan.
Every body got there own prep inplace. But besides the hunter 2 door's down none of you said anything about buying guns or getting training.
You pay me now to protect you. You will still need protect if it happens. If you don't want to pay well theres other ways.
Depends if her nails are done! So, in an effort for family unity and maintaining her manicure, we have a bunch (an obscene quantity) of loaded USGI & Pmags, a bunch of ammo in stripper clips with spoons, and a bunch loose or in boxes. Valid questions! We are both 64 yo and have a home in a suburban/rural setting and a bungalow on land on 40 acres in northern Michigan Deer Country. Checking out some of your other content.
Excellent video. Great point.
The key is being calm. Be certain when you drop the hammer.
Let the other guy spray and pray.
Why do I have the feeling that this guy will be one of the first “loot-drops”. ;)
Because he measures his words, you think he might not practice?
You are 100% spot on my brother, and I am GTG.
I saw down below a feller proclaimed if ya come under fire by multibule combatants you wouldn't last a 30 round mag.
perhaps you should invest in bullet resistant wall panels , (a rifle round can enter one side of the compound and exit the other).
Good points sir.
I have 3 muskets, 24 loaded mags, enough in storage to reload them at least 15 times. Speed loader makes all the difference.
But shot gun is my go to mob disperser, buck and slug.
Love my mossberg 500
@@chazmorris9124For mob dispersion, T shot and G shot in 3 1/2 inch 12 guage or go big with a 10.
Magazine are quick to reload if you keep your loose ammo on stripper clips. M4 mags are made to use strippers
I hunt, shoot, plink, reload, reuse, cast my own, buy in bulk, etc alot. I use.22lr to .338 LM, with a sidestep to black powder powered devices. Thus it looks like an ammo depot in my ammo area. I don't have to worry, if I want to empty any number of cases. I have a strategic amount so I can be tactically supplied.
Those are great ideas. That is a well-thought argument for determining the TRUE ammo on hand. Thanks for explaining that in plain English, Patriot.
Spot on!
A military engagement on a residence is a no go
How many mags can you go through before your barrel overheats? The hotel shooter in Las Vegas had many backups.
Came over from Jay, the Modern Minuteman. He was right. Good video, good perspective. New subscriber here.
A lot that’s all I’ll say. You might wanna look into Blk Powder too you can make your own. When that stuff runs out you can make your own assuming you survive that long
Glock mags are way harder to load than AR mags. Btw, a .50cal. ammo can holds 24 loaded AR mags (30rd), that 720 rds. That's what I keep loaded, in addition to a bugout bag with 7 full mags.
I think you should have a minimum of five magazines per long gun if they are twenty rounds or more in capacity. If they are less than fifteen shot magazines, have at least ten. I think ten full capacity magazines per long gun is plenty. (Full capacity magazines hold about twenty to thirty-two rounds.) Load up at least four magazines to twenty-nine or nineteen shots. Load one round less than full capacity to make reloads easier to seat in your long gun. Load the remaining magazines to 50% capacity for long term storage.
I was just saying that to myself today I was like I got to get another gun and then I said no I need more magazines and more bullets for the guns I have
I use a Springfield m1a 308 I don't use 5.56
Thank you sir. Just ran across your video. First time watching. Good advice
Ammo is like fire wood, can never have to much.
When you fail to plan, you plan to fail. I have about a dozen of those MTM magazine crates with ten rifle and five pistol-loaded magazines each-one crate in each vehicle, one in each room of the house with an exact matching rifle upstairs and downstairs, and a few hundred loaded magazines in the safe room in a footlocker. Windows have that 3M ballistic film; five rounds per window pane shatter the glass, but there is no pass-through. When all else fails, two 1000-gallon propane tanks plumbed through my yard sprinkler system should make a nice statement.
Love those MTM magazine cases!
I don't have enough to engage in full blown fire fights. I do have enough for long term hunting. I also have Muzzle loaders with lots of lead for balls as a back up along with a few compound bows.
I agree with having plenty loaded mags! Great video, I subscribed 🔔
Excellent point. Great advice.
Subbed. Thanks, bro. Food for thought. That’s what folks are looking for.
I am working on having a minimum of 21 full capacity magazines for each rifle/carbine. It's getting to be a good sized collection when you have several weapons that use mags.
Thank you for the video. This gives all of us something to think about. I think I am going to head over to Cabela's this week and get more magazines and then load them up as well.
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Makes sense only if that musket is your only weapon.
you know you have pretty much nailed this... I have at least 30 tubes loaded for my go too...
First time watching one of your videos. Let me say I like the way you think. I don't have a ton of ammo but I do have quite a bit. But magazines? Not to many at all.
If / when the SHTF I would expect to have some warning of impending danger. In that case every round would be in a magazine. OTOH, if you currently have all you can legitimately haul loaded, that is what you "need" for right now. As for training, I keep those loaders where you put in the rounds, place the loader on top of the mag and with one action of the hand, load the mag. Make sure that everyone in your house that is expected to participate in an encounter knows how to use the loader and under pressure.
Excellent video..the reality is when it goes down it would probably look something like tony Montana and the way he went out blazing..even thought thats a movie it was as real as life could go in that situation.
You are correct!! You know guys with rounds in upwards of 5000 rounds? Amateurs! As far as mags go? I'm not worried at all.....
@williambraub-mp7jw You nailed it! Lets not forget those that have 10 or more rifles and handguns, Your enemy will thank You for the supplies they needed after taking You out from the safety of an APC.
Totally awesome video. I’m subscribed.
100 percent true my friend 🇺🇸
I am now seriously looking at a thermal scope for contingencies.
go with a small unit, think if weight. also consider the kind of batteries. time to buy thermal was a while ago. i got a couple units real cheap. those same units are several thousand a piece now. yikes.....
Very good point. I loaded another 12 yesterday and am going to a gun show this weekend.
i have 3 sling bags , one bag has 6 - 25 round magazines for an AR-10 , the next bag has 8 - 30 round magazines for an AK-47 plus 3 mags on my body armor and 4 more in the fanny pack , the third bag has 8 - 32 round Glock mags for my PCC .
I might have to change guns half way through the fight ,
Good stuff !
Personally, I keep 1000 rounds for my primary rifle and 1000 for my primary pistol, plus a few hundred rounds of various other calibers that I may need.
For loaded magazine - None for the primary rifle. about 6 for my primary pistol, plus a couple of 30 round happy sticks loaded.
I live in the suburbs, and always have a pistol on my person or within arms-reach. Under normal circumstances, I would not be reaching for my rifle. The pistol is so much easier to manipulate in a house. (and on the streets when you leave the house)
If the parachutes start dropping, then I will grab the rifle and the 60 round mags, and load them up, while I have my pistol with the happy sticks next to me. (Point being, the likelihood of ever having a real need to go for the rifle, is very slim. The pistol however, is another matter. For urban and suburban dwellers, the pistol is going to be the primary weapon 95% of the time.
Now, folks that live in the country - they would need a rifle to always be handy I think, more than the others.)
Your backpack, whether it's an assault pack, 72 hour, or your ruck should have additional loaded magazines for you to swap out for the unloaded ones. My plate carrier and belt setup hold the least amount of mags out of my rigs with 7 + 1 in the gun. Throw on the assault pack and that's 6 more.
One additional point that goes right along with this video is magazine retention. If SHTF there will not be vendors who have pmags for sale. So you're gonna want a dump pouch or other way to retain your magazines. A dump pouch has many other uses as well that make it an awesome piece of kit.
You need as much as you can afford after having other essentials taken care of. It can be used for hunting, defense and trade.
Excellent points, brother.
Best content I have seen in a good bit. New sub here. So here is a little of my story. My primary rifle is a Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad rifle, 308 cal. On my equipment vest I carry ten 20rnd magazines. Fully loaded in the configuration my rifle is in comes in at a tad over 9 pounds. Just for endurance training I have weighed out my vest and put that equivalent in dummy weight plus my first aid rig and water and made a facsimile model the overall same size and weight as the M1A. I hike alot like that to stay used to that weight and incumberance. Over distance pounds equals pain real quick. A 200rnd load out with all your other gear, knife, comms, first aid, food etc is not extreme but can be if you are not accustomed to it. As far as mags go? I keep a Harbor Freight tactical box under my bed full of AR mags. The rest are loaded and locked in a safe but those are left for quick access. For my sidearms my comfort level is twenty mags for each gun. For my back up revolvers 2 speed loaders each and I figure if I'm at a point where I am using my 38 Airweight things are nip and tuck and going to my blade and my chances do not look good at that point anyway. My wife and daughters are well trained as well, I sent them to Thunder Ranch to train with Clint.
God bless Clint Smith & Jeff Cooper.
@@SonsofLiberty-u8j question, How do we defend ourselves from the D r 0 n E s 💥 ?
Break contact, always. Patrolling 14-18 mags starting with a 60rd p-mag drum in the rifle. Fixed position/home, i like to have around 40-50 loaded at any given time. Still going to break contact asap. Offensively, only gonna get froggy as a 4-man fire team or better. Just my thoughts.....
AC/DC said it best for my ball situation:
And my balls are always bouncing
My ballroom always full
And everybody comes and comes again
If your name is on the guest list
No one can take you higher
Everybody says I've got
Great balls of fire
Several loaded magazines, plate carrier vs chest rig, bailout bag.
Dude
Made a good point.
Kept it short....👍🏼
I think keeping everything where you sleep makes it easier for the people who work for the tyrants to take . That is more of a concern than a group of zombies raiding me . Having caches lets you replenish.
I suggest people get surplus Duramag/EPM mags > PMAGs if keeping them stored for an extended period. PMAGs (Gen 2 specifically) have a problem with feed lips cracking & even came with that little top cover, to take pressure off the lips. They're far from the only poly brand mag with lip cracking issues from long-term storage. That's also how the "only keep 29rds in your 30rd mag" came to be.
Ik you know there's poly mags w/metal reinforced feed lips (Gen3s do + others) and some polymer mags are great. But for long-term storage - why risk it? EPMs were even engineered by the Army to reduce or prevent wear from M855A1 steel on the star chamber and feed ramps, an extra slight "perk". $15 for a pack of flatwire mag springs and Magpul/any kind of follower you want.
Great info - just thought I'd share what small bit of related wisdom I have.
Well made point. Well, I'm halfway there I suppose. I have all of my 5.56 and 7.62x39 "musket balls" on loader strips and I have prob 3 dozen mags for each platform plus the mag spoon loaders. Guess I'll load 'em all up myself now since I don't have a wife lol. I always buy pmags and a box or two of ammo whenever Im in a place that sells them. I also buy the long bricks of .22 LR bullets. I won't go into detail in ref. what is within my compound, but I'm a bug in type so I have made considerable arrangements in regard to keeping undesirables at distance. Some of those include 30.06, 7.62x54r and other long distance "telephones". I also have like minded neighbors. Hoping things will remain calm but not banking on it.
If I have to empty 6 mags to just keep them at bay it is time to retreat so only about 14 mags are needed .
Great video. I think I have over twenty 30-round magazines for my AR and a couple smaller mages. I need to pick up additional magazines for my other firearms. Living in a state where you can only purchase 10-round magazines doesn't make it very easy.
Oh yeah, it wasn't rude question. People need to wake up and think about this stuff.
If u can't afford loaded mags just get your 5.56 on stripper clips. yea they cost more $$ but you're getting M855 on 10 round stripper clips. We can load a 30 rd mags in under 10 seconds.
For most SHTF situations 5k might be enough. In an extended situation, like a down grid, that could last a year you may be cutting it close. Everyone tosses around civil war nowadays. That’s nothing in a situation like that
I know people who have 15,000 plus for each calibre they use!