Pros And Cons Of Moving To Portugal
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2023
- Hey gang,
While we were out in Portugal, we took a bunch of notes that contained all the things we liked and didn't like about the place.
We wanted to sit down and do a pro's and cons of moving, just like we did when we lived in London to see if moving to Bath was a good idea or not.
Please let us know what you think, or if you've ever moved your family abroad.
Much love,
Stef.
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We did it for a couple years (with 2 kids). Living and holidaying somewhere are 2 completely different experiences. So many hidden costs that I don’t think you have though about (AC being on all the time, medical insurance- I remember my daughter getting an ear infection and is being terrified that we couldn’t afford the antibiotics and trip to the dr- it was days before pay day) we now live in Derbyshire and our life is much more outdoors here than it ever was abroad, the wasps/dune bugs/ love bugs/ mosquitoes to name a few made that outdoor lifestyle difficult. We also found the heat made playing at the park impossible (who makes slides and parks metal?!) I think it’s easy to have rose tinted glasses, but in reality you might get what you really need from it by trying to holiday there more. Both my children found the return to England and leaving their friendships extremely traumatic and we are still dealing with the consequences of that years down the line. My husband and I look back on the experience and are glad we did it, we loved being submerged into a new culture and having lots of new experiences, building new friendship groups (all of which were so diverse and from all walks of life). Our children however do not, they found the both moves very deeply traumatic and I think it’s easy as parents to assume that ‘the kids will be fine’ when actually it can have an enormous impact on them and their mental health x
We had similar experiences with a move to the states from England and returning a few years later with our kids. I also moved abroad as a child and although I’ll cherish all the experiences it certainly has an impact on your sense of belonging, feeling grounded or just being able to call somewhere home. It’s a tricky one as there are so many pros but like anything in life there are also challenges.
Pls come to Madeira it’s Portugal island but believe me it’s different, international schools close everything you mention that you guys love we have here but beeter quality of life, come and see for you self guys 🥰♥️🇵🇹
Depends completely where you go. Places like Javea in Spain have a huge expat community that are in it for the long haul and the lifedtsyle for cost in incomparable to what you can get in the UK.
You should go to Portugal during winter. That way, you will see the country in a different season, coz during winter Portugal is cold.
Absolutely agree! Most of the pros (and some of the cons) that were listed were summery things, and those completely change during colder months, so I agree that it'd be great for them to experience Portugal during that time.
Most homes in Portugal do not have central heating, winters are short but can be really unpleasant and damp.
I've lived in UK for more than 30 years and I still find the portuguese winters much more unconfortable than in the UK. The damp factor makes everything feel colder and it gets into your home and into your bones. On sunny winter days it's usually warmer outside the house than inside.
Recent built homes are better insulated and more confortable but generally speaking most portuguese people don't switch the heating on all day & all winter like in the UK.
Maybe a couple of hours in the evening, not enough to heat up the whole home as in UK.
Hot water bottles and more recently electric blankets are widely used to keep you warm in bed. Also bed socks and wollen hats in bed... and counting the days to spring while checking the weather forecast ahead.
If you want to be close to Nature 🌧 you'll find in Portugal Nature gets close to you. 🧣🧤🧦
As a Portuguese currently living in Portugal, I feel a bit triggered by some of your pros and cons. Not all of them but some of them, are quite idyllic and superficial. You should maybe visit the country in winter as well. I’ve lived in the UK and found winters much more bearable there. You should also look into economy and politics a bit too. This is just my opinion of course 😊
I had the impression they are not very interested in the country, the language, the culture or the portuguese life. For them, the only important aspects of Portugal are: will it be good for Instagram and can they afford a "certain lifestyle" to show off on RUclips.
Those were also their reasons to buy their current home in Bath and now it looks like it was not a wise decision. (I'll get my coat...)
I’m German and probably not in the best position to speak, but my partner is from a southern country and we often get comments similar to those made by Hannah and Stef (“quanintness”, “simplicity of life”, etc.), which, to us, often seem like euphemism for “bad infrastructure” and “less developed”. People enjoy these things on holiday, but as soon as they live in the countries they realise it’s not as “cute” as they thought and that each country has its own downsides.
I also cringed at some of the comments and found them not only superficial, but sometimes slightly offensive and classist.
And this is just a criticism - I love many things you do here guys, but this whole Portugal thing seems a bit weird to me. 😊
@@katharinagottmann6521it’s absolutely as cute as they think… but there’s just SO much more to it! So much more that should definitely be weighed in when making a decision like this. But I guess some people feel like they don’t need to think about that…
My family and I spent a year in Costa Rica. We also thought "kids are resilient, they'll be fine"... well, not so much.
The language barrier was just too much. It improved as the months went by, but they didn't really make friends.
I'm glad we did it. Was a once in a lifetime experience. And it brought us closer as a family.
My advice -Go for it. For sure.
BUT,
Make sure to research the hell out of everything!
And, most importantly - learn the language before arriving!
It will make all the difference.
whenever you hear older people talk about things that they regret most it's always in relation to not following their heart and instead taking that head route and it is only at the end of their lives when they wish they had taken more risks and followed their heart more because you only have one chance at this thing we call life
Watch and enjoy your videos. Our family have had similar discussions and ultimately we have decided to stay in the UK but tweak a few things.
These are:
- More freedom and autonomy.
- Regular holidays including heading to France for the entire Summer.
- Seeking joy outdoors and embracing things.
I get the impression your reasons for moving are the 'vibe' you get when on holiday. The freedom, the removal of constraints and the hamster wheel of society. These may slowly creep back in as and when you immerse yourselves in a lifestyle elsewhere.
Have you considered changing your lifestyle in the UK, spending less, having more free time and embracing life here? You could combine this with a move to a lower cost of living area close to the sea (Lincolnshire perhaps?). You could also embrace travel and travel regularly. You currently live in an expensive city/suburb where perhaps you don't have the freedom you crave as your life and expenditure dictate otherwise?
We obviously can't change the weather but you can change your mindset and when you have a financial cushion and more free time I think you will find you enjoy things more.
I'm not ruling out Portugal for you but your reasons for the move don't seem compelling enough given you could achieve balance in the UK.
Such good advice
We moved to France 18 months ago and have met lots of people who moved with kids of all ages and put them in French schools, and we haven’t met one family that regret it. They settled in really well and are all now fluent in the language, which is such an advantage for them. We don’t have kids ourselves, but definitely something we’ve noticed from the people we’ve met. Team Portugal 🇵🇹😀
Oh and also…have a backup plan. Imagine you move there and end up hating it after X months. What will you do? If you have a solid backup plan, we found it much easier to make the move. Felt less risky. England will still be there 🙂
Hi guys! Definitely go back during the winter to see what it’s like. Regarding school maybe you could start private Portuguese lessons in order to prepare the kids for the next school year. ❤
I think you should only move if you plan to make it a more permenant thing. I've lived in lots of different places and would say it takes a minimum of 18 months to feel fully settled, especially with a new language. Uprouting a family isnt worth it for just a year, in my opinion. If you just want these kind of experiences, you should just do long summer trips like the one this year, instead of emigrating. Learning a language, making connections and fully settling in will take longer than a year.
Personally, i think Portugal is a great place to live and if you move, i think you’ll live a great life. I just don't think you should make it a temporary move if you do it. ❤
The pro list does seem mostly to relate to being on holiday in summer whereas the cons are compelling. Love your process.
Come to Australia!! The beaches, the golden hour, the laid back lifestyle… but less worries for schooling and those kinds of things? Not a big city though - more regional and smaller cities along the coast! Mozzies and sunscreen are still a thing here.. but you just learn to live with it (and also with your kids complaining about sunscreen even when they’ve been using it their whole lives😂)
Hi guys! I moved to Setubal in Portugal 4 years ago from Bristol, with my then 5yr old son and (Portuguese) husband. We live near the coast and have a fantastic outdoor lifestyle, but it is tougher in lots of ways than I had naively imagined. The cost of living is not wildly cheaper, some things are cheaper and some more expensive (or unexpected costs like healthcare) than in Uk. Our son goes to a Portuguese (private, music) school and loves it, I think if the plan is going to be long term it would be vital to get them into a Portuguese speaking school. You have to make the decision that feels right for you and your family, I know it’s tough! I would never regret the move, we love it here! Happy to help if you have any questions..
You guys are hilarious. Love your videos. Very well edited and filmed. On the milk topic, whilst the majority do drink pasteurized milk you can find fresh milk in the refrigerated section in any supermarket. Just leaving the tip so that doesn't deter you from coming over. You will love it here. 😃
I live in Cornwall and everything you’ve described is here. Starry skyes, fresh sea food, beaches, laid back lifestyle
Since being out here for three years, we have made more likeminded friends from all over the world than we ever had in the UK!
I have to say that the cost of living being a pro, as a Portuguese person, made me laugh
Imagine the prices in the UK then..
@@nicoeeek.7181 yeah i'm sure it's hard with a british wage. What I meant is that for a portuguese person getting a portuguese wage, the cost of living wouldn't be considered a pro. I thought it funny because it's all about perspective. When I went to Krakow a few years ago I thought everything was cheap, but most likely the locals wouldn't agree
Yeah very true. If they can keep earning in RUclips the same amount then they will be right.@@ritaribeiro4109
We live in Tavira where there are signs about picking up your dogs poo and bags are provided around the town.
We can buy fresh cows milk full fat, semi skimmed and skimmed in any local supermarket { even the small ones}
We moved from the UK and would never go back but it's different for us we are retired.
We are from Sicily but we live in Florence
Every summer we go back to Sicily for two months…. Life is incredible, the beaches, food, people, even memories….. But kids life, school, friends are in Florence …. Work is in Florence…. So we can’t just move to Sicily…. Life is not vacation…. Living in another place is a way different if you have to struggle for work, bureaucracy ecc ecc…..
Kids are creating their social life, planting their roots in this place…. As parents we think…. It is better to stay where we are and disconnect from this place only during the summer… to recharge our batteries
I just moved to Dubai with my daughter. It’s just the two of us so has its challenges. I am a lot happier here though. I am a teacher at a private British school and so that huge factor made that aspect easier when it came to making me decision. The lifestyle and balance here is great. I don’t think I’ll come back to London if I can stay.
great videos guys! we've lived here in pt for nearly 3 yrs now and love it. we only drink milk from azores, you can also find fresh(er) milk in the fridge section (gordo-full fat)
I think you should take a look at Santa Cruz. It’s close to Ericeira, it’s cheaper and quieter. And, there is both a great public school there and an international school not far away.
That coast is damp, cold and windy in winter, not much outdoor life for 5 to 6 months of the year.
Follow your heart for sure! Anyone I know that has moved abroad to a hotter country has always loved it, even if it was for only a couple years.
My whole family is from england but I was born and raised in portugal, I'm 26 now. Milk, you have to buy fresh milk in the refrigerated part of the supermarket (brand Vigor), depending on where you move to we also have british supermarket around. For example, I live in the algarve and we have Apolonia (very expensive) and we have The Food Co (we call a tesco haha). Portuguese schools, my cousins aged 6 to 13 (at the time) moved here and went to portuguese school, they managed to learn the language quite fast and they are all fluent now, they're all in the late 20's/30's.
I actually moved to Holland to do university and thought about staying there or going to england as its better career opportunities... I ended up coming back to portugal because it is just a nicer lifestyle!!! I didn't see the point in living in a country like england/holland where everyday was the same and always looking forward to the next holiday. Instead, I now have the option of having a summer holiday every weekend or even going out for dinner multiple times a week because it's just so cheap and delicious!
If you would like then please get in touch with me, I know a lot about portuguese culture and am part of the international/expat community here in the algarve!
Also, regarding the heat... another thing you get used to. If I can survive it then anyone can! I am someone that burns super easily, I actually refuse to go to beaches between certain times because I know for sure I will burn! I'm as pale as they come and I still love living here
I moved to Singapore when I was 10 for a year or so. We moved back to the UK but I cannot emphasise enough what a mind expanding opportunity it was for us all. Gave me a totally different perspective on people and met people from pretty much every culture you could think of.
My parents rented our house out when we were gone and the tenants trashed it, so that was a pretty mad con. But overall, wouldn’t have changed it for the word.
We are moving from Belgium to the Santa Cruz area upcoming summer. Currently in same stage as you are. We are selling our house now and once we've done that, we will look to buy a house in Portugal. Our kids (3 and 7 years old) wil start public Portuguese school in september. Our 7 year old might have a challenging year ahead..but we are sure that they will learn super fast. I'm also taking portuguese classes now, and i already start to teach them a few basic word. I'm a photographer / marketeer myself and will travel frequently to Belgium for assignments and will establish my business locally as well. Looking forward to following the rest of your adventure!
We took our 5 children to Canada for 2 years. It was amazing and they certacertainly learnt a lot. Good times and coming back to Australia was just as good. I say follow your heart as it will all work out. ❤
Moved to Spain from the South of England 15 years ago, with our two children at the time 13 and 10. We had private Spanish lessons for six months prior to moving which really helped. Both children enrolled straight into public schools and although hard, being emersed in the language they were both pretty much fluent within the year! My son really adapted into Spanish culture and although my daughter never complained her head was still half back in the UK. My son ended up working both in France and Spain, but now for the last two years lives permanently in Northern Norway, turns out he never liked the heat!!
My daughter was very academic and excelled in her studies, at 16 she moved back to the UK for university. She's now living up in Newcastle, about to apply for a Phd, she loves the cooler climate up North, turns out she hated the heat too!! 🥵🤦
For my husband and I we are planning on moving back to the UK within the next 18 months to be nearer our daughter. The cons for us, we will dearly miss our area of Spain, the more laid back culture and mild winters, but given our time of life and circumstances it's definitely the best decision.
On the plus side the summer heat cranking up is now getting even too much for us, can go outside much for over four months and yes don't get me started on the sandflies and the Tiger mosquitoes, for the last 6 years, day and night it's a constant battle!
But for us and our kids not for one moment have we regretted our decision to move abroad, its been a wonderful opportunity and has broadened all of our minds. As the saying goes better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all! 🌍💫💜
Two sisters, my brother and best friend have all bought properties in Spain or France. The most successful moves have been the two who have managed to have properties in both UK and Spain/France - they enjoy aspects of both countries. My sister of your age who has a successful career working from home returned to UK within three years. She found she was working as hard as ever and had little time to enjoy her new country. She really missed the convenience of UK rather than rural Spain. Her daughter at 9 started at the local school and then to a private school. She enjoyed the experience but was two years behind in some subjects by the time they came back (which may have been down to language problems).
This is where a crystal ball to see future you would be great! I grew up in Belgium and loved my childhood there and I really missed it when we moved. Being suddenly submerged in French was very hard as my parents couldnt help with it much (they purposefully found an international school but there wasnt as much English as they thought, although all my friends were anglophones so that was fine, but if you go down that road make sure you know how much time is in English). Its a little pet peeve of mine when people say kids pick up language sooo quickly as it was bloody hard! 😂. For milk, I know from holidaying in France and Switzerland that UHT is more common but with a bit more searching around the supermarket you can find it. Maybe the same in Portugal? I'd probably recommend a trip in December or January when the weather is at it's worst. Anywhere is amazing on a sunny day.
Hi guys!! You can find fresh milk in any of the supermarkets or even in small groceries’ shops. The milk brand is called Vigor. They even make lactose free fresh milk. 😊 xoxo
I’m British and live in Portugal with my parents since I was 23 (2019). I moved to India with my parents at age 10 until 16 and went to international schools but ended up being homeschooled. I think putting them in a local school would be more beneficial. Portugal is financially good for expats but not for most of the locals as I have worked normal local jobs here myself. I have found proper milk! The brand is Flor do Vale, I live in the silver coast area so not sure if they sell it further out. Also impossible to find good cream here, but the cheese is really good. Overall I can see myself living here for a long time. You can’t escape the mosquitoes sadly, we use mosquito nets on the doors and windows and avoid being outside just after sunset for at least an hour. About the fires, can’t really do anything about that, but they are mainly worse inland.
I grew up in Turkey speaking Turkish but my parents sent me to an international school so that I could learn English. Sure it was hard at first but especially as a child I learned English very quickly and I loved being around foreign people. It opened me up to another world and I even became a translator and easily moved to Australia thanks to that. I do realise moving to a new country is not the same but I think sending the kids to a Portuguese school would be more beneficial for them. They’ll learn the language more naturally and obviously you don’t have to pay for it. You can still help them with extra language support etc, but I say let them learn the language and be fully immersed in the culture. You can always find other opportunities for them to speak English with other English children and socialise.
What's the point in only doing it for a year, too much upheaval. aim to make it a long term thing
Great video! In an earlier video you said your big mortgage was the reason for moving, would you sell your house or rent it out of you moved? It's a big gamble for a place you don't know well. My reservations would be work and schooling. Maybe an option would be to move somewhere cheaper in the UK, giving you the option to spend more time out in Portugal on holidays.
Good point. The area where they live now (Bath) is one of the most expensive in UK but I doubt they would want to move to "somewhere cheaper". I got the impression from their previous videos that they want to be in certain palces and they don't do cheap. No, no, no... cheap is bad for Instagram and all that...
You can get normal fresh milk, a good brand is called vigor, you’ll find 1 litre bottles in the fridge section of supermarkets. Gordo is full fat, meio Gordo is half fat and magro is skimmed.
Portugal looks and sounds dreamy! But, I was thinking of the boys and the ability to make lasting childhood friends when moving from place to place? As great as it is for them and you as a family to travel and experience different cultures and ways of living, it is also so important to keep and nurture those friendships you all have in the UK? ❤
Tough decision? Maybe not.
Follow ya hearts. Cheers for the info.
Come live in Devon. Sounds like everything you loved with none of the cons! More relaxed vibes, beach life eve’s and weekends. Green grass and countryside all about. Great wholesome milk! ❤ Beautiful night skies. So clear and crisp and refreshing. Come see for yourselves 💗🏝️🙌🏼
If you’re looking at a permanent move then it’s a great consideration, but as a Mum of 2 boys very similar ages to your own I could never uproot their lives knowing I would just be doing it again in a year or 2.
Lots of manifesting to be done, imagine you're already there with all your beautiful side hustles and living life in the 🌞 Do it!! We get one life why stay in cold, wet, grey UK when you don't have to ❤❤❤
My parents took my brother and I to live overseas when I was 14 and I've spent the rest of my life moving from country to country every few years, going to international schools etc. That being said, I can tell you that if you ARE going to move then it is best to do so as soon as possible. Obviously once you've done all the research you need and have the funds. Because, and I say this to every family I meet that's thinking of doing this, the younger your kids are the easier it will be on them. I was too old really and because I'd only lived in one place up until moving I had strong roots that were very much missed. Obviously it's always going to be an adjustment but younger kids bounce back much quicker and can be quite resilient. They also soak up other languages more easily.
On another note, I see a lot of people suggesting putting your boys into local schools... I would disagree personally. I think if they were younger it would work better, they would become fluent quite quickly. But the ages they are now I think it would really affect them socially. It would be a massive culture shock to them and they would likely struggle to make friends. It's not even a matter of locals not speaking enough English, many in fact will (at least enough to get by), but rather that it makes a big difference to meet other kids like them that have left their home country and are trying to integrate into this new life and are having all the same struggles they are. They'll learn Portuguese as a mandatory class in an international school and if you enrol them into some kind of local extracurricular like a sports team or some kind of hobby they'll learn even quicker. My ex moved when he was 8 and became fluent by joining an ice hockey team and being made captain as he was one of the best players. He had to learn the language so that, well, he could actually captain them. Safe to say it happened quickly! They'll also meet kids from all over the world, make really interesting connections and their education will translate better to their British one when they return.
The only other advice I can give which has probably already been said is that Hannah's suspicions are correct, the holiday ease to life in Portugal will fade away once you live there. It's always different visiting, you can enjoy all the best parts of a place without having to deal with the rest. And everywhere has "the rest." Just like there'll be things you much prefer about Portugal there'll be things you discover are much better about England, things you miss, things you didn't appreciate before but now you will when you return. And that's part of the joy of it!
TL;DR: move now, when they've left home or not at all. If you think you can't wait until they've flown the nest then there's your answer.
Oh and I'm so used the UHT now, its not so bad! Not many cows in Tenerife 😂
We moved to California with our kids twenty years ago from the Uk and we only meant to stay a couple of years. We’ve now moved to the coast here and now feel even less ready come back! Lol
Follow your heart ❤ Can you rent out your house and make some money there?
I live in Tenerife now and love the outdoor life. I am sending my little ones to a Spanish school - its so amazing that they can learn another language! Why don't you try out a local school in a little village where the boys can get to know the other children? Language doesnt matter when they are playing sports - they learn so fast too!
The mosquitos come at sunset so we just close the doors before sunset and all the windows have nets so not a problem for us...
For suncream, we dont put it on that much as we put hats on and are mostly out in the morning and late afternoon when the sun isnt as strong - you were there in hot summer so that would be different I guess.
I'm so for following your heart. You are both clever and entrepreneurial and so you'll work out the financial side of things even if you don't have it all sorted when you go.
Good luck guys! X
Made me chuckle about the milk...my daughter is 3..she was born in England and would not drink any milk from Portugal or Spain ( she says it's smelly) 😅 but to be fair we used to have better milk a few decades ago
The biggest con I guess is not being able to rinse more content out of the decision! :)
Hi Guys, I live in Denmark an have been looking for a warm place to live for a while now (5year plan) I intend to start by trying different countries and spending 1- 3months, I im looking at loads of youtube videos and stumbled on you, I had plans on doing Portugal(algarve) but real estate prices for ruins are crazy and the new tax plans killed it, so have you looked at the Philippines, they speak english, easy to find cheap rent and perfect water temp(portugal cold water)..?
My list is Malta, Canaries, Bali, Thailand, Philippines
Chears Kim from Denmark
What about your home? Could you either sell it without losing money or rent it to cover your costs? Would think that would be a major factor.
I would follow your dream but the schools may be the problem too expensive. Think of what you would miss from England write a list of pros and cons and then make your decision. Always comes down to family, money and education of your boys. Good luck with that!
The thing with fires is that they are rarely natural. Usually there is someone starting them.
The cost of living in Portugal usually comes as a (bad) surprise to new arrivals.
Yes, it feels so cheap when on holiday, doesn't it? But try to rent a confortable home and you soon find out that "cheap" it is not, you may end up paying a lot for sub-standard acommodation: damp, cold, mouldy in winter.
Ok, Portugal is cheap but only if you live like a portuguese and I suspect you wouldn't want to try it. If you bring your british consumeristic habits with you, you'll pay as much or even more than in UK
I think after watching your video i feel you already know the answer the reasons to move are not strong enough thats the feeling i get from you both
Come to Aus! All pros .. except for the mozzies and bush fires in particular places
and the cost of housing and living in comparison to somewhere like Portugal ! ( I'm an aussie too)
I always really love the look of Australia but I’m scared of spiders and I’ve seen you have large scary ones! Lol
Would you have to take out health insurance? If I was doing this I think I'd rent the house in Bath and go for a year if that was possible.
Probably, cons of brexit...
NEVER EVER did I EVER think you would feel self conscious about your amazing body! That surprised me. The Dog poo would be a major off put.
We're a family of 6 and looking to relocate to Malaysia from the UK and will for sure be putting the kids into International School. I couldn't home school - half term is bad enough lol
Londoners are friendly! I smiled to a guy once. He didn't smile back though....but to be fair I had just held him up for his Moncler jacket 🤷🏻♂️
Ugh please fix the thumbnail and don’t contribute to the plague of people using apostrophes for plural words. It’s PROS and CONS not Pro’s and Con’s. I mean, you got it right in the title!
God save the English language
7/8 months inside in the Uk 🙄 I don’t think so that’s dramatic😂. I think relying on brand deals and RUclips is a risk to be honest, if you are struggling here with work how will it be better in Portugal? Good luck anyway 👍🏻
We’re not struggling with brand deals so much now that we have new management but it’s a concern that we won’t get any if we’re no longer in the UK ❤️
@@TheMichalaks good luck with your decision, whatever that may be ☺️🤞🏻
@@TheMichalaks Proximity matters in your line of work.
Frankly, and selfishly, I love your UK content. It's always brilliant.
Your justification to move to Portugal seems pretty forced imo.
And its definitely not always summer there 🤔
Not as cold as here though at least!
True. Some areas in Portugal can be vicious in winter, specially on the west coast (silver coast and north coast). Try staying a few weeks in winter in your preferred location to see how you like it.
You should reach out to The Fizz Fam. They lived in Portugal for a while.
Suncream has toxic chemicals in it too, Hannah, even many of the mineral ones. Look into "reef-friendly" and alt options: coconut oil (will tan but not burn, apparently), and some after-skin product i can't remember with aloe in it... Worth researching. Most of them require constant reapplication, too...🤷♀ We do what we can, right?
Take the risk, have the adventure. Research all the schools and find one that ticks most boxes. We have 2 boys of similar ages and are 15 months in. They're atva small international school. They love it and have gotten so much out of living in different climate/culture. You only regret the things you didnt try
Go with your hearts, that comes from a londoner living in Italy ❤
Follow your heart, heart and heart!
Me and my partner are moving to Brazil soon, and we will see what will be waiting for us sooner or later.
You need to check it out if is allowed to do homeschooling in Portugal, I think that in the majority of countries this is prohibited.
Get milk that is from the Azores. It is in every supermarket. Leite dos Açores.
Yes, all dairy from Açores is organic, they have the happiest cows in the planet, out grazing all year round.
Talk to Scotters Off-grid about sending kids to local schools.
Follow your heart but use your head, so save money up and research areas first! Go for it.
I am a British immigrant to Portugal and overall I prefer my life here to the one I had in the UK. But every immigrant has things they miss or bugbears about life here, anything from the tailgating, dogs on chains and balconies right down to little petty things like no McDonalds milkshakes.
I would recommend a lot more research, visit in the winter and bear in mind you will adapt to the temperatures. Today, I was in winter clothes and people visiting were in shorts and t shirts. Make sure you understand the tax situation for example if you sell the uk house while resident in Portugal you will be liable to pay capital gains in Portugal. Bear in mind that receiving packages from the UK is very difficult, slow and will incur tax charges I think this may impact some of your work. I would also recommend digging deeper to fully understand the cost of living.
I must congratulate you for defining yourself as an immigrant, a rare thing for any brit🫖☕🍰
Receiving packages from UK is difficult now because the UK is no longer a member of the EU. It was not like this before.
Receiving packages from anywhre in the EU / EEA block is just like receiving a package from another town. I've switched to buying only from EU / EEA. I always check where order is shipped from before clicking to order.
@@MarizaRodrigues-mw4bn I find younger Brits and people who had to apply for visas are more likely to define themselves as immigrants. But it does vary.
Yes, it really is best to buy things from within the EU. But it is unlikely to be something that came up during the Michelaks visit.
I don't think they're intending to sell their house in Bath. They would be moving to Portugal for a year.
you need to go out of high season!
Why not consider a primarily English speaking location (for schooling reasons) but still a warm outdoorsy place
Because they are skint.
Move to Texas! We have beaches, forests, mountains AND delicious milk.
And shootings in school.
Natives usually also have pros and cons concerning foreigners' plans to move into their landsl. Have you considered it? For instance, are you to willingly learn portuguese when you set down. One of the most annoying things about english immigrants down here is the fact that they don't even care to learn the language. That's a con. Also: are you to pay taxes here? That's important. Etc.
All residents must pay taxes if they are resident for more than 90 days. The NHR status is ending next year, so expect portuguese tax rates.
Well said
Can't kids stay at their school and do it online?
Just downscale and get a holiday home abroad. Best of both worlds.
Downscale??? Holiday home, you say???
They can't afford the only one they have now.
@@donnacosta5633 I'm saying downscale their current one
Wildfire move to a place far for forests or make a save area around your house
When I was 11 my parents and I moved to Norway, me not speaking a lick of the language. They were considering taking me out of school for a year so that I could focus on learning the language, but ended up putting me into a regular public school that started two weeks after I arrived in the country. I spoke okay English and some kids did as well, but after about a month my mum went in and told everyone to stop speaking English to me so that I would learn the language. Although those were some of the most lonely weeks in my life, I was fluent within 3 months, simply because I didn't have a choice, and I am so glad my parents made that decision to put me in a regular school right away. Your boys are even younger than that. Of course you know them best, but kids adapt fast, don't underestimate that.
Why don’t you to do for a year. Rent the house out . Hopefully you can get a bit extra cash from that . Plus they are a few retreats that maybe you could work in doing yoga .Best to do it while the boys are little?xxx
Do you consider renting out your house while you're gone? I suppose you could make quite some money doing that...
Ah... but... they've said before they have a MASSIVE mortgage 💣plus other loans 💣💣 so they'd be paying all that rent to the bank.
Unfortunately nothing left for an Instagram lifestyle in Portugal.
Great video on pro's and con's............. Hope the pro's win and the kids go to a Portuguese school and Mum and Dad go to school with them to learn the language!
Can you live 6 months in Portugal and 6 in England?
No. With a british passport and no residency visa they can only stay in Portugal a maximum of 90 days in every 180 day period, which means 90 days twice a year.
With a residency visa, they cannot live outside Portugal for longer than a certain period without loosing the residency visa. There are exeptions, such as leaving the country for medical treatment, etc. but immigration services SEF must be informed for residency right to continue.
EU passport holders can live & stay wherever they wish, with no time limits.
@@MarizaRodrigues-mw4bn Damn Brexit - and I think Stef voted for it while Hannah abstained?! (I might be wrong though).
Put the children in Portuguese school, and you will be amazed how fast they adapt, I put mine 12 and 16 years They have 5 hours a week of help with the Portuguese language
What do the kids think?
Thta's a tricky question... what did you think when you were 6 years old?
@@donnacosta5633 Jesus, I was just curious! Not saying they have to make a decision based solely on what their kids think. Obviously the whole point of the video was to weigh pros and cons and how the kids feel would certainly influence my decision. Grayson is definitely old enough to have an opinion. Please keep your snide comments to yourself.
@@melsamantha I agree, Grayson looks wiser than his parents. And he doesn't drink.
10:52 follow both. 50/50
Don’t do it! I live in Manzanillo, it’s always too hot that we hate to be outside for more than 10 mins. And, the only things we really have around to do is go to the beach…after a while it’s whatever. The mosquitos are hell and the electricity bill for AC get more and more ridiculous every year. The charm of the rustic feel wears off after you star noticing the mess it truly is. The locals can be nice but if you put your kids in private school you’ll have to deal the ones who feel rich and are snobs, superficial and money hungry.
Why not move out of the main city into a half rural area near to the city andor closer to the sea.
Why not? Because they don't want to live near poor people.
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How easy is it to get residency in Portugal after Brexit?
If you have passive income (that's any income that you don't have to work for, like a pension, rental income from renting your property, any regular income from investmens, etc) it's easy to get a D7 residency visa.
Or if you have a job skill that is in demand In Portugal you can also get a residency visa by applying and getting a job offer, and then you'll be given a residency visa for the duration of your employment contract, renewable. After 5 years of working full-time and paying taxes in Portugal you can apply for permanent residency or... citizenship, but you need to be able to speak the language by then.
Right now we have a shortage of doctors and all medical specialists. Plus a lot more.
Let us know if you do it. We are thinking of the same in Spain with a 1 year old.
We will, hoping it’s gonna happen in the next few months
Given that 60% of all foreigners that move to Portugal to settle here, give up and move back home before 2 years, I think you should consider their reasons why.
Most of those who move back say their (RUclips) EXPECTATIONS did not match the REALITY.
One expectation is about the cost of living being cheaper: it all depends on your lifestyle, income and outgoings. An Instagramable lifestyle of leisure & fun tends to cost everywhere you go.
Another assumption is that you don't have to pay TAXES. Blame lack of research.
Once faced with the REALITY of portuguese tax rates, some try to be "creative", but what works elsewhere may not work in Portugal: remember the NIF number...?
And when "creativity" does not cut it, they go back.
There are also some that have to go back when they're no longer able to meet the requirements of their visas: remember it's a 5 year process, the first entry visa is the easiest to get, but same initial requirements apply for renewals.
On the other end are the 40% that stay and make a success of it.
This group tend to have prepared and researched their move very well and over a long period of more than a year. They visited for longish stays before the big move.
They started to learn the language before moving and researched the portuguese culture and social environment.
In summary: they were genuinely interested in Portugal.
(Info and statistics from portuguese media)
6:00 it’s actually mandatory in Portugal to pick up your dog poo.
You could start learning the language and see how that goes while you make your mind up. The boys could be involved in that too.
Ah... but... that's not cool content for RUclips, is it?
If milk is the thing go to Azores
British people are warm? Really??? That was a surprising...Sorry, but Portuguese people win hands down!! Maybe I misunderstood or maybe it's just that I come from living in France! Anyhow, your concerns about your kids are very well founded! Move them early, but not in their teens!!
What she meant was: portuguese people are not PLU (People Like Us).
Awwww I love Portugal 🇵🇹
Would an online school be an option?
Inclined to agree. However there is a new wave of online schools (like Minerva online academy) that have group online lessons and regular meet ups. Traditional school is of course better for this but they are looking at options to fix a “con” so thought it was worth mentioning.
Put meat a couple of meters away from where you are eating
And wasps will leave you away
Like, wouldn't it be better, like, if you could, like, present without saying like, like, constantly?
Public School have English mandatory
My humble opinion. Kids ARE resilient but they crave stability and at this age they make friendships that they might miss if they left? Healthcare? Heath insurance? Language? I feel like Debbie Downer. Sorry. 😘🇺🇸