Your forgetting in dragon ball super luffy and goku fought base form vs base form and super goku base form way stronger then namek goku ssj, thats the only reason I disagree with you tho so let me know you thoughts.
With advanced armament he just has to hit goku once and then he's finished and since luffy is immune to punches goku would have to use an energy blast which luffy can deflect by turning the ground rubber
@@aidenhudson8316wrong, Goku has taken way worse then whatever Luffy can dish out. And if you seriously think Luffy can even touch Goku, who atp was THOUSANDS of times faster than the speed of light while Luffy has barely scratched the surface of that kind of speed, you’re just trolling. And he can’t deflect a continental-planetary level blasts with the ground seeing as it would be destroyed along with Luffy
lmao bro thinks anime is all about fights. dude one piece is not just about its fights in fact the fights are only secondary to the plot. just aking a character infinitely strong doesnt make a story or the form more iconic or better.
@@ashaslsohail9748 ok…? But this is about a form. For fighting. Super saiyan is the baseline for all forms that came after. Its influence outranks Gear 5’s by an infinite amount.
I am both one piece and dragon ball fan it was iconic before now it has just been reduced to nothing but a simple saiyan powerup that is only used for a second and is on sale every alive saiyan that fought with main cast has it.
@@suckthesenutz It’s still one of the most recognizable things from the series. It shows up within other media and is referenced constantly. I doubt gear 5 will reach that status. Saying it’s over used now in db itself is kind of dumb. Why wouldn’t saiyans use it if they can?
When I hear a character can destroy the planet and has never destroyed even a small satellite, it's for me like when they say they will teach you a technique that eats away at all your life force... yet they survive teaching it and the main character survives using it like every other Tuesday. No character in One Piece is planetary level. 21st Budokai Roshi destroyed the moon. He can take on all of the One Piece cast alone.
Just because they don't doesn't mean they can't lol Like what do you think will happen if they destroyed the planet? They'd basically kill themselves in the process
Statements are just as viable as feats and scaling but characters still need to back up their statements either with those stated powers or AP or with an equivalent showcase. Statements are viable but cannot be used in place of feats.
I think it's crazy that people actually think that Goku wouldn't absolutely starch a rubber pirate that's crazy LOL especially since he defeated a gumball already lol. That gumball known as Kid Buu was a menace too. Kid Buu versus Luffy wouldn't even be a fight. they have similar abilities except Kid Buu could turn him into candy and blow up the planet then meet him in the afterlife and eat him again🤣🤣🤣🤣
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the thing i find retarded when people are comparing animes. they use the most powerful version of one character while nerfing the other character in dragon ball. current dragon ball super characters one shot ever other anime superheroes. if you need to max one character and nerf the other. there is no comparison. how you actually compare things is at their most powerful. look at what a defeated goku did once he learned what zamasu and goku black did in their timeline to gokus family. anime characters dont battle gods like they do in dragon ball. monkey luffy is dumb as fuck from inception
Facts he jumped the gun before anybody elze with these powerlevels. Now basically all the Z fighters could blow up planets if they wanted too. He was ahead of the curb😂😂
as a op fan more than a Dbz fan that shit is embarrasing when im going how is luffy beating nappa or even an android let alone Goku hell Krillin Runs all the fades this shit makes me want to leave espically when they say trash gear 5 is more iconic ewwwww
Weaknesses, Luffy can't go in water. Goku can. They can both fly. Both have a stamina drain. But goku has mastered the stamina drain. Goku wont blow up the planet even though he can. goku has a habit of throwing fights he could have won by wanting to see what the person could do. goku has fought Majin Buu who can do things similar but greater. Luffy's range of influence over the environment will have limits so Goku would win, but goku would then pick Luffy back up for multiple rounds in good sport for training. then they will go eat at a buffet. two unstoppable forces meet. they greet each other and move out of each other's way.
This. Luffy, especialy in Gear 5, is extremelly fun loving. Goku wouldn't give a crap that he's stronger than him: he'd see a fighter who genuinely enjoys the fight he's having, and power himself down to just get to have a good time.
@@ayshinobi3 Actually to be honest Goku would fight him to see his strength and Luffy prob wouldn't mind honestly there would be no real beef between the two cause its not like Goku wants to be pirate king 💀💀, Actually Luffy may want to fight if he thinks it will help him become pirate king
^^^^person who watched gear 5 vid and found the animation ridiculous and childish. Understand please stronger doesnt mean better in terms of story or anything.
@@ashaslsohail9748it's true tho... Super Saiyan could never be topped since it was one of the og and most iconic shonen transformation. It debuted in a time where new forms are unknown and unexpected.There's a reason why DB is often titled the father of shonen because it popularized most of the shonen tropes used today, including epic forms.
@@ashaslsohail9748Also, Goku has a lot of stronger forms but none of those, including ultra instinct, has ever surpassed SSJ in terms of iconicness. And imo, gear 2 is more iconic than gear 5.
Yeah, I generally think Whitebeard and other top tiers cap at planetary for the time being (and depending on future events with the Mother Flame stuff there could be further consistent scaling for large planetary) but that’s nowhere near Goku.
master roshi with a power level of 180 has enough energy to fuel a star as stated in a guide book, if you want to go there then goku before even reaching Z is starlevel.
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Good point. Yeah I mean, the thing I dislike with a lot of these people wanking verses like Naruto, OP, and Bleach WAAAY beyond the actual intended strength of the characters via using really vague statements and extrapolating them way beyond the real meaning and significance, is that they will do that, and then they will midball or lowball another character/verse unfairly instead of taking them at their potential best too. It's really annoying. If we're arguing that Luffy is star level because of vague statements, indirect scaling, and genuine fucking fan-calcs, I'M arguing that Namek Goku is multi-solar system level or universal for similar reasons. He isn't, but we ain't doing this double standard bullshit of highballing one character but not the other. There are situations where highballing for fairness can make sense, but if someone is doing it just to argue that one character wins, "period", it's really stupid.
Doesn't make too much sense since Frieza in his first form, is able to create a literal supernova attack. Just seems too strange to me a pre DBZ Roshi who can destroy/be relative to a sun.
I like gear transformations. But nothing can actually compare to ssj if you watched dbz in that era. I remember imagining what each super saiyans would be upto 100.
I mean they literally met in a crossover, they have the EXACT SAME PERSONALITY, except luffy doesn't care about fighting, will eat poisoned food and say worth on their deathbeds (if the poison is strong enough to take them down) they both don't kill unless they have to, they both are stupid, and they both have moments where they stand on business (joyboy might leave a bad taste in goku's mouth to be fair with his refusal to be serious ever tho)
i've had this theory that the speed of light in the dragonball universe is vastly different, as we've seen characters reach light speed or faster than light quite a few times. In Super, Dyspo "could move at light speed" when I know at least in Beerus vs. Goku, they each moved at godly level speeds, and they've gotta be way faster than light at that point
"Dyspo "could move at light speed"". They said that Dyspo, in the far, far past, was a speed-prodigy, surpassing the speed's of sound and light early on. They weren't saying anything about modern Dyspo's speed other than that he is extremely quick. DB character's have been reaching light speed's since around the Saiyan Saga, or Namek Saga at the very latest.
Arale is... A mixed bag, if you want to scale Goku off her. On the one hand, when the original crossover happened,Red Ribbon Saga Kid Goku and Arale were shown to pretty much scale off eachother- pretty equivalent. On the other, if you accept Super as having any validity at all, Arale whooped post resurrection F Vegeta, who's as strong as Goku.
@@nickschreffler6054To be fair it's not like that changes his point lol he could still just IT him into the ocean, but I do still think that this is a pretty bad matchup since it's a clear sweep lol
W Video I honestly don't understand why people think Luffy would beat Goku, Luffy's feats aren't even better than Goku's feats when comparing and he defeated Frieza which is stronger than the strongest villian in One Piece (I think if not then close I guess)
If we all talking about strength and power as a one piece fan dbz overpower the one piece verse. This is like comparing a cat and a lion in a fight. Its pirates against omega level universe saving death killing machines. Storytelling is better in one piece though.
@@t-rexwithinformationexactly, I started watching OP in 2019 and stopped after the lightning guy arc shit was buzz and slow af, dbz is straight fading hands 😂💯
@@nocapp_ I love dragonball but we have to be honest, they talk waaaay too much between the fighting segments. Especially z where a fight will be short parts of fighting then like 10 minutes of convo or suspense. Super wasn't too bad with that but its writing was not great.
Since no one answered its all because of potential, we have yet to see the limits of haki and we have yet to see the fourth wall breaking powers of luffy, right now I dont think we know enough unless he pulls some absolutely multiversal feat at the end of the series, which he seems to be capable of.
As person that's not braindead, just by seeing the title I know imma see Luffy's guts be spilled all over the floor, except if he brings a giant needle with him 💀
There's a problem w the genkidama scale... Y'all do remember Toriyama planned on ending DB at the namek arc, right? Cause later we get characters like Cell, Buu, etc. That are astronomically higher than Frieza from the namek saga and get to either galaxy or uni at best. W Beerus lowballing uni (yes I count BOG as a Z thing bcs the movie)
@@urm0m69 Eh. Maybe not the best thing to say. Heck. I'm a comic book fan, but you couldn't ask me about certain story beats if almost any comic without me fumbling it up :'D
@@urm0m69 Yeah. But keep in mind. A fan isn't always going to know everything about a series. Heck. I've known Dragonball for years as well as seen plenty of videos on it, yet this knowledge about Toriyama's plans to end it in the Namek Saga eluded me
Frieza was able to destroy planets in his restricted form. If goku became around the strength of final form frieza, he would be able to destroy planets with ease. master roshi was able to destroy the moon in classic when goku was still a kid.
Forget Freeza , king Vegeta destroyed three planets by just raising his hand , and his power level is nearly 13,000 , and ssj goku's first appearance was 150,000,000 .
I have seen calcs for the OP world that would put it and it’s destruction at Star level, so if one were to take White Beard’s statement literally, I feel Star is arguably fair, though the Star level meta you mentioned in this vid is 💀💀💀 I didn’t know fans could get like that. Goated video, didn’t know how crazy the DBZ Universal Metas got, especially so early on. I mean, I knew about the Garlic Jr stuff but that was it. Very informative.
Nah, there’s in verse evidence of it being larger than the sun (around 1.2x bigger by my estimate) And that’s not even getting into the scaling in Kristan Kember’s most recent vid.
Even if you wank the size to that, that would only scale whitebeard, and specifically with his ability. Other characters in one piece can't replicate the same feat. Just people purposely misinterpreting the obvious meaning to make them sound as strong as possible. In reality luffy's continental, possibly barely multi-continental with his absolute best attack. Given one piece's large world, and his island-sized fist.
Nah bro goku is too op in name saga goku was actually suppresed which beers or any of the kais thought was possible. So goku was actually beats Luffy with or without ssj depending if goku wants to finish it fast or slowly.
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aye nice. I will say i've seen millions of time FTL for the kaido fight but don't fully get the paper math because of the multipliers and the um strength of how much G5 is stronger then that current arc g4 cause remember OP luffy seems to get stronger as the series goes along but thats the highest i've seen of luffy speed besides running off oh G5 can use luffy imagination and luffy can change his speed and what not. I've seen OP planet cals as well its a big planet it turns out. you know the people claiming toon force don't even understand what toon force even is and why it really doesn't scale you anywhere and is kinda meaningless and just meant to be a laugh so what Oda looked a tom and jerry to base g5 powers off of thats just a cool reference if i say so
Black holes aren't something like a solar system vacuum that sucks everything in its range It's nothing but a mass concentrated really tightly into itself It has really really high density And density is directly proportional to gravitational force If our earth was a black hole, it would about a cm across I know its out of context the way he described blackholes was a bit bizarre I know i know it's literally an anime video but still Take it as a piece of info if you want to
Funny enough the og dragon ball kid Goku was a gag character breaking manga panels and using the power pole to move stuff to the moon on seconds. We have to draw the the lane between gag abilities and legitimate toon force. Gag abilities only emulate toon force while toon force itself is is own thing.
One piece fans are wilding with these statements💀 Ssj is iconic as it’s the broken legendary transformation that been hyped the whole series but gear 5 is just a op transformation I died when they called him universal Yes I love one piece but Luffy is planetary max
I don’t see how anybody could say gear 5 luffy even comes close to beating goku. Frieza had a power level of 530,000 in his weakest form and could blow up a planet. In the databooks it’s stated that you need a power level of atleast 10,000 to blow up a planet so that means frieza had enough power to destroy a planet 530 times over. No character in one piece is touching goku
Nuclear bomb vs. coughing baby. Piccolo in the Saiyan saga, who was weaker than even Nappa, was able to destroy the moon with one ki blast. That is way more power than we've ever seen displayed by anyone in One Piece, and Goku by the end of the Saiyan saga was many times more powerful than even that. A more fair comparison would be current Luffy vs. Goku at the end of Dragon Ball.
Ironically piccolo has basically all the powers that luffy possess in Gear 5, stretching parts of the body, grabbing and manipulation lightning, become a giant etc..but he still taked a beating from Goku lmao
At the most destructive i put luffy at large planetary lvl with g5. I think current luffy could push goku to kaioken possibly Dragon ball is just too powerful for every anime verse
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Luffy couldn't even beat depleted kaido whose island level at best with his strongest form without struggling but he could push kaioken goku who's planet buster? Nice Joke! xD
It depends which Goku, current Goku at base would prob destroy the whole galaxy that Luffy's planet is in even if he tries to hold back, and by current Goku I mean post black Frieza/Gash Goku, and ik that's unfair and you are probably referring to namek Goku or saiyan saga Goku but tbh I am a sucker for pointing out how op Goku is.
fun fact kid goku was already planet level after he beat piccolo who stated himself to be planet level and could have destoyed earth already so if you ask me z base goku who would have already been multi solar system level was already enough for the whole op verse
Bro I stopped watching after I heard that One Piece fans had "Forgotten our place". Seems like anime fans' sense of tribalism is more iconic and powerful than either Luffy or Goku.
One of the things that I always bring up with people talking about Naruto/One Piece comparing to Dragon Ball is that their scale of power never justified or created the need for them to deal with anything besides worldly threats and mortals. Dragon Ball has been dealing with Galactic and Universal threats from a VERY early point and MUI Goku at the end of the anime (not to mention how far manga Goku has gone since then) is exponentially more powerful that any of those forces faced at that point in time.
Luffy has to touch you for anything to work. Seen by kaido countering him in his flaming dragon form. And when he grabs the lightning bolt. You can speed blitz him or blow up the planet.
We are also seen by kizaro. His Billy's can be non effective against certain characters. And not to mention Lucy wouldn't even be able to touch goku. The speed gap is way too far. And goku, like one percent of his power in base form, would annihilate luffy and olive one piece and everybody in In one piece
Not true, when Kaido slammed luffy into the rooftop and his eyes shot out like a cartoon, so was everyone else like Kidd and Law, and he wasnt touching them.
I think Solar System to Multi-Solar System level Namek saga high tiers makes the most sense. Star level always seemed like a lowball, whereas Universal is a bit of a highball (albeit pretty consistent and far better than Luffy or Naruto's "universal metas"). I don't think Luffy gets past 22nd Budokai honestly. Small Planetary power was already surpassed in that arc.
The real debate is, demon king piccolo vs gear 5 luffy and sage of 6 paths naruto no time limit, and the answer is, gear 5 luffy's strongest attacks are continent busting at best and naruto isn't anywhere near as powerful in sage of six paths mode, master roshi destroyed the moon with a power level of 139 and demon king piccolo has 260 power level, it's not a debate, the only thin in dragon ball luffy could beat is the red ribbon army and even then he wouldn't kill doctor I forget how to spell it and well, that won't end well, the only way he beats KAMI at during the demon king piccolo saga is if he realizes the full power of his devil fruit, BUT SAYAIN SAGA GOKU IS WILD, EVEN IF LUFFY HAD SUPER KAIOKEN TIMES 50 (the form was like times 5 or 10 the singular time it was used) OR EVEN SUPER SAYAIN BLUE KAIOKEN TIMES 20 HE WOULD STILL LOSE, I know this because in the super broly movie, he was somewhat on par with super sayain 2 vegeta (I am capitalizing some things so it doesn't underline them because it's annoying and it doesn't work for all caps things for some reason) and then when he went super sayain god he didn't one tap kill broly, so the increase isn't like 5000 times super sayain, and then ssj blue is 50x ssj god and the kaioken times 20 is 20 times more, so lets make some estimations, let's say, and we are highballing it, that continent busting is 75+ power level because master roshi destroyed the moon with barley more, so with that highball we put gear 5 luffy at 75 power level, then we get ssj 2 which is 100 times (50x multiplied by 2) and that makes it which makes it 75k, then we multiply that by (big highball) 100 times (broly got up like nothing happened in like 10-20 seconds) and so that makes it 7.5M, multiply that by 20 for 150M, and WHEN GOKU ARIVES, he has 3M, and then he gets a zenkai boost, but EVEN IGNORNING THAT or saying that I am wrong and he ended up with 3M power level, he still multiplies his power level by 50 in super sayain, and that means it's just hands, not good for luffy, but WAIIIIIIIIT you say, "Luffy can stretch and use haki" first of all, i'm assuming his strongest attacks include haki, observation haki is useful, but does that lead him to a win, no because of my second point, luffy's most powerful attack is the result of him using his stretching powers, and it's an attack of 75 power level that we established before, but we put that as his power level, when he is using an attack way beyond his normal abilitys, that's like saying sayain saga vegeta suddenly increased his power level to 24k in base mid-fight when he went band for band with goku's kaioken times 3 kamehameha (sorry if I spelt that wrong) and keep in mind vegeta ended up less hurt than goku from the kaioken times 4 attack because he could move a bit, because of the strain of kaioken he ended up more hurt even though they were both about as hurt because vegeta go spirit bombed and 3v1'd and that means that kaioken times 2 goku would have been equal to vegeta there, so that's like implying that it wasn't the technique (or plot armour) that let him go band for band with kaioken times 3 goku, which is obsurd, and so goku is faster than luffy by enough here that he can prob just punch him while with his other hand while he is dodging, and that is assuming he doesn't just go KAIOKEN TIMES 10, and blitz luffy, but goku would be up to the challenge, and then win considering he has more range than luffy with ki, and his strongest attack, you could either say is equal to his pure fist, or a kamehameha, that takes no effort, AND WE HIGHBALLED LUFFY AND LOWBALLED GOKU, so yea, namek saga goku beats gear 5 luffy in ssj blue kaioken, AND TO THINK SOME PEOPLE PUT GEAR 5 LUFFY AGAINST MUI GOKU, oh nah, ssj god goku facing someone supressed down to his own level threatened to destroy an infinite universe from the pure force they were making, and MUI goku is atleast 10k times stronger than that, so he goes full power and slams his fist in his palm and the entirety of universe 7 just like, explodes and I don't even watch dragon ball but I know it's at least this and prob way more, hundreds of thousands of times or even millions and that means when he does that it prob destroys like, 7 universes, (wait if that's the case and zeno has to charge a bit to destroy a universe that would imply goku is stronger than him in mui, but then again that's prob just for dramatic effect lol) (edit, forgot to add the blue part so he prob wins there but I CAN make an argument for ssj blue, although 50 times is obviously more than 20 times, and in fact it would be 375M if we are assuming the other stats are correct, but turns out he was just using base super sayain (no sparks) at least from what I found, so that halves it at 187.5M, but the ssj god I realized was a MASSIVE highball, because, if we look at the stats we have seen that even DOUBLE a power level ABSOLUTLEY DESTROYS SOMEONE, in the sayain saga piccolo had 3,500 and got DESTROYED by nappas 4000, goku speedblitzed 50% frieza final form even though he was on par or even losing to frieza 100% (he won because frieza was slowly losing power) and so a IN THEORY correct amount would be 25, because goku survied some hits with frieza at 20x his power level (wait how was he losing in super sayain, damage?) anyways but he was getting about as ragdolled as broly did for that moment but a bit less per hit, so 25 is most likely the answer, so that halves it again bringing him down to 93.75M, enough to get DESTROYED by super sayain, but also even if he has gotten stronger up to about moon-level, that still doesn't bring him much higher than 160M tops, and so either it being his strongest attack being stronger than him or the kaioken that would make him lose, ACTUALLY, SPEAKING OF THE KAIOKEN, as far as we know the only drain super sayain put on goku was a light stamina drain, and with the kaioken it damages you, considering those are very different and separate drains and he could hold kaioken times 10 no issue, with the total power level being brought down to an eight of what it used to be, then HE CAN, heck he would lose if goku was in kaioken times ten assuming my first calculations were correct OR EVEN 5, BUT WITH IT DIVIDED BY 8, HE ISN'T EVEN BEATED HIM WITHOUT SUPER KAIOKEN, EVEN IF YOU PUT HIM AT MOON LEVEL A SIMPLE LIGHT 1.5 OR EVEN 1.2 OR 1.3 WOULD BE ENOUGH WITH NO PLOT ARMOR, HAH, I REALLY WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG, AND EVEN WITHOUT SUPER KAIOKEN, WITH MY THEORY ABOUT HIM BEING WEAKER THAN HIS STRONGEST ATTACK, GOKU COULD SIMPLY GET UP CLOSE BECAUSE IT'S A SLAM ATTACK, AND IF HE WERE ABLE TO SLAM ON HIMSELF TO GET GOKU WITH THAT ARM STRETCHING, HE WOULD ALSO GET HIMSELF, but even if you say not plot armor, no kaioken and that goku wouldn't pull dirty tricks, YOU'RE NERFING HIM BY SAYING NO KAIOKEN, AND HE IS IN A RAGE STATE AT THAT POINT SO DIRTY TRICKS ARE FAIR GAME, but if he doesn't think of that KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE NOT NERFING GOKU, WE ARE BUFFING LUFFY, so yea, he wins this, also CURRENT GOKU CRIPPLE BASE FORM BEATS THIS VERSION OF LUFFY WITHOUT THE DIVIDING BY 8 IDC ABOUT YOUR OPINON ON THAT.
There's no way One Piece earth is as big as the sun, that's over a million times bigger than earth And if gravity exists a planet that big wouldn't be able to sustain life because its star would have to be a million times bigger than ours to keep a steady climate On top of all that no human can stand on a planet like that because of the high gravitational force, and no, you can't just say all humans in One Piece have super strength
“you can't just say all humans in One Piece have super strength” But you can? Regular humans without devil fruits like Zoro can train to become strong enough to pull off these multi continental to planetary feats, and even the “regular” humans who don’t train like Zoro still have scaling that make them much stronger than any real world human (ie, the ancient Shandorans surviving the Knock Uo stream sending Jaya to Skypia would require them to have multi-city block to small town levels of durability). So yes, fictional humans with superhuman scaling can live on a planet bigger than our sun (my best lowball has it at 1.2x bigger in volume)
@@michaeldorsey9231 even if that were true, gravity wouldn't behave the way it does, things would fall mich faster and buildings wouldn't be able to support themselves The biggest size a habitable planet could be is about the size of Neptune at most
“things would fall mich faster and buildings wouldn't be able to support themselves” Let’s say this premise is correct and the gravity of the OP planet needs to be greater than that of earth (it doesn’t, it’s possible for a planet with larger volume but less density to have the same gravitational acceleration as earth does). All this means is that materials in the OP verse are stronger than their real world counter parts as well. And considering that Luffy already had island level AP as far back as Skypia, yet certain buildings/structures only take minimal damage from him and characters that scale to/above him, it’s not inconsistent to argue that either.
@@michaeldorsey9231 so is the planet hollow on the inside or made out of sponge? That's preposterous We know the planet is heavy because many heavy things are on it, Big Mom alone would generate an orbit (ignore that last part)
“We know the planet is heavy because many heavy things are on it, ” What is this line of reasoning? I personally don’t disagree that it’s more likely that the OP planet and any materials on it share the same density as their real world counterparts, but some materials/characters by themselves being heavy doesn’t say anything about the planet’s overall density.
yeah this dbz stuff goes crazy, tbh before watching power scaling videos I liked to think that: Vegeta(sayian saga): planet level Frieza: Star level Cell: Solar system level Buu: Galaxy/galaxys level Beerus: Universe level It looked to me like a cool, linear way of progression for the characters. Then I got into power scaling and yeaaaaah it gets kinda crazy
Yeah, when you stop to think that nappa with a power level that was around 8k was already exploding planets, and then go to namek where theyve gotten thousands of times stronger, thats when you realise how crazy db verse power scales are. People just seem to act like higher power level means better anime/mangá, but no, OP fans should just accept that those two verses have completely different power scales, and thats okay, I dont get why OP fans wants so desperatly to say that Luffy is as strong as Goku.
all terrible scaling king vegeta is multi planetary so from your information king vegeta is stronger than frieza who has power level of 16,000. King vegeta destroyed several planets with one attack, if you don't believe it search it up. Frieza was told and shown to be galaxy level with universal feats stated in the show, cell is either multi galaxy or low uni but lets say multi galaxy since there isn't much evidence of low uni feats. Buu is universal since he was stated many times throughout the arc if goku didn't kill him he would destroy the universe by the Kaioshen's and by anime it self. Beerus is multiversal and all gods of destruction are since he is above goku who has shown multiversal feats.
I know I’m late but I think people also forget a couple of things 1: goku in dragon ball super when fighting jiren goku powerd up to Mui and while he was transforming he created a galaxy. 2: goku base form has power level of 45 billion 3: goku and vegeta after all of the training on different planets and using all kinds of methods to get stronger they both can lift 75 ducillion or 3 Jupiters 4: goku using instant transmission was event stated you dematerialize and travel as a mass of light or in simple terms he moves faster than light because they leave space/time and enter into another point of location 5 : finally goku has mui and yes I’m just using the anime if I also include the manga we can also include his finally form which most people forget is his perfectd mui state which is exactly what is sounds like he can use it at anytime and it’s better than true ui
Bro DBZ scalers take the cake on scaling shit way out of proportion. You're right on the battle but holy fuck. Mftl in base is insane. When the first thing Gotenks did was display lightspeed by circling the planet 6-8 times. Then how does this work in a world where Dyspo exist and he is said to be lightspeed. People try to say it's MFTL but the material does not say. It's MFTL it says he moves at lightspeed to FTL being generous. Then "universal" in the namek Saga is straight up braindead. When that would make the Beerus fight stakes mute. And Cell said he was Solar System level. So Frieza=Super Buu? Like some people need to learn context. Frieza is called the Universe Tyrant for a reason. He ruled the universe before Goku defeated him. That's the elicit context.
@@Leostar-Regalius if I ask a person that hasn’t watched anime before, and ask them name one transformation. I don’t think they’ll say gear 5. If I show a picture of a super sayain to someone, and a picture of gear 5, more likely then not they’ll know Super Sayain.
Gear 5 has arguably been Hype since its release in March of 2022, so it’s retained its popularity for a little over a year now. Definitely not as iconic as super saiyan though, that’s just been around much longer, it’s too early to say that Gear 5 is anywhere near as “iconic”
Exactly it’s like people don’t know what iconic means. You can ask elderly people who have never even watched dragon ball yet they know what super saiyan is. No transformation in history is as iconic as super saiyan.
yo can yall tell the dude who said the gear 5 luffy no diffs super saiyan god goku to tell me who his plug is, that guy is giving them some of the trippiest shit ever ima need that
I think namek saga goku and frieza caps at large star level. It is what makes most sense to me, a first form frieza can casually destroy a large planet and he is way stronger in his final form. So him being star level would be reasonable. Also it would also make sense that it goes from a star level threat to a solar system level threat with Cell. As he statet he could destroy the entire solar system. and Buu being a multi galaxy - universal threat, this progression just makes a lot of sense to me. Goku most likely stomps Luffy here.
Personally, I feel like an interesting sequel would be Goku (Pick any time era that feels the most fair) Vs The Shippuden 3 (Naruto, Ichigo, and Luffy)
So ToP Goku vs G5 Luffy, Final Form Peak Power Naruto and Ichigo's strongest form? thats just dad disciplining his children lmao@@Scorpy666 they might make goku tired, or hungry but thats. Goku is damn near Multiversal - probably is Multiversal considering he made the Void, Infinite Nothing, shake.
@@justintime2461 kid goku from OG dragon ball earlier on when he is not yet a planet buster. Altough he put a rabbit on the moon without any serious effort. Nah even kid goku> 1v3.
That's honestly how I feel about a lot of "Speed feats" that people give characters. A lot of the time it's situations where it'd be a lot more likely to simply be aim dodging. And then other times, like with Tanjiro dodging the Drum guy's attacks, they'll say that makes Tanjiro supersonic. That of course ignores the fact that Tanjiro had to move like a foot, and the attack had to move around ten or twenty feet. So even if you don't think it's aim dodging, it still doesn't qualify as supersonic. And for One Piece characters it's fairly obvious that they're not MFTL since Kizaru's lightspeed movement is considered fast. And of course there's the argument of whether Kizaru can actually react and fight at lightspeed, or whether it's just his movement speed that is that fast. And the aim dodging argument for lazers and such holds even more ground in One Piece since, as you say, Observation Haki is a thing.
Nobody even talks about gear 5 anymore. Anime now cannot possible be iconic anymore when everything is able to be restreamed edited and scaled social media has butchered that level of iconic that series had before it.
I would say that the only simple buff luffy has is that the world of one piece scales much larger than the earth. so an island could probably be a whole mountain size. and a mountain can be bigger.
People all over the world screamed on public showing of the episode in excitment when Goku turned MUI Gear 5 comes now here bear close to that And SSJ is a whole different league
@@rodneymcstah2973 They dont wanna accept the truth its hilarious cause this is only a small sample of G5 were gonna get even better feats with G5 that will be irrefutable proof of Toon force
@@rodneymcstah2973 Facts bro I was literally just replying to a comment on another video saying Luffy made the goggles outta his hair when there's literally a poof sound effect their arguments are more ridiculous than Luffys power
If you didn’t know death battle actually scaled the dragon ball universe to be atleast 9x bigger than ours and sense it’s constantly expanding it would keep growing in size, and ik death battle is not realiable but they’ve actually calculated the
Even before namek arc (where goku first becomes SS) he still has the ability to destroy a planet as Goku stopped vegetas galick gun which he says can destroy earth.
I agree with you about the Toon Force argument. Just because the animation got silly and his stretchy body became more toon like doesn't mean he got toon force. In fact his rubbery body only mimics the rubber bodies of actual toons due to him literally having the gum gum fruit. He didn't magically get a rubber body that wasn't already in that manner to mimic toons he was just more exaggerated in his movements due to his new "Gear 5". People are always taking one new ability and wanking their heroes to the extreme. Imagine thinking that wacky animation = god tier ability.
In the Manga it was definitely contentious whether or not Luffy had Toon force(even if that’s Oda’s intention) but I wholeheartedly believe the Anime made it clear. Yes I know this video was released a day before the episode, but it’s worth mentioning that none of the stuff in the episode but ONE scene proves it more than this one(a bunch of goofy effects, souses and the iconic *SLAM*, but none as good as this). It’s the scene where Kaido is getting the Loki treatment and if you frame by frame, there’s MULTIPLE frames where Luffy’s eyes and mouth are on the ground and Kaido himself. There’s also him putting his eyes back into his head and his hands go flying out the backside as another example. Trash scaling or not, Luffy should at least be afforded Toon Force in verses battles, even if it’s not the highest extent of toon force(at least yet, let Oda cook y’all)
Kaido also got burnt to a crips and then popped back like it didn’t happen. Oda literally said that episode was meant to be like a Tom and Jerry episode
I agree, he has toon force but it’s at the VERY lowest level. Bugs Bunny is the definition of what toon force is, he has rewritten his own story for sun multiple times, or sb like Popeye who literally beat his author up
It could really go either way tbh. If Luffy masters gear 5, cant he just imagine that he has the same abilities and strength as Goku? And since Goku has a high battle IQ, he could learn how it works, and when he figures out it has a time limit, he can wait it out. But remember, Luffy needs to actually die for the Gear to activate.
Bro, goku absorbed ssg into his base form, the same power that almost destroyed the entire universe just by clashing fist with beerus. There’s only one way this is going 😭
So quick question, how strong is Goku's defense, because Haki exists and bypasses ALL DEFENSE EXCEPT HAKI. So the real question is does haki nulify qi?
Gear 5 is definitely 100% a version of "toon force." When they said he's only limited by this imagination, that doesn't mean he can will things into existence like some omnipotent God, but rather he's able to kind of turn the regular rules of reality into rubber as well and bend them in so many ways that he's basically only limited by his imagination. In essence though, he is in fact a Looney Tunes sort of "God." I mean, Oda has gone on record to say that's directly where he took inspiration from and he purposely gave Luffy the "most ridiculous" power imaginable because he wanted"to have fun with it and make people laugh" including even in the most serious moments. Oda believes wholeheartedly that it's possible to have fun even in the most serious of moments. And after being with this series for so long, he's made me a believer in that ideology too.
Goku is a gag character as well. His original anime/manga was a gag show. He destroyed manga panels and other silly things like that. He was also able to put a bite mark into whis, one or the strongest characters in dragon ball period (not counting zeno and stuff) purely for a gag. Who’s even was visibly in pain and it left a mark. So to say luffy has anything over goku with “toon force” or as a “gag character” is plain out stupid.
In that case luffy might be stronger than goku. But as a anime dbz/s >>> one piece. Seeing toon force is worse than the worst plot armors. And I am a bigger fan of one piece.
10:48 I believe in the manga King Kai directly says Goku needs to be careful with his Spirit Bomb on earth because of their sun. I remember him saying that if he used too much energy from the sun then he could risk destroying the earth. It's likely why the Earth Spirit Bomb was so small compared to the Namek and World of the Kai's bomb.
Dbz fans dont realize how broken “the limit of imagination” is, if luffy can grab lighting what makes you think he can’t grab a kamehameha 😂. His power is ridiculous. It’s not meant to make sense. You’re shooting youreself in the foot trying to make sense of it. Its also too early to judge gear 5, luffy hasn’t even mastered it and it got Dbz fan’s breathing heavy. Stop comparing verses and just enjoy the show.
@@austboss98 luffy has future sight so he knows where Goku will be before he gets there. Keep coming y’all… there’s a counter for every BS that comes out 😂.
@@poisedpain4966 so many things wrong with that first of all Luffy can only see a few milliseconds into the future also Ur implying Luffy would be able to react to Goku no he would not Goku speed blitz before luffys heart beats
Gear 5 has been described as being able to do LITERALLY anything he imagines, it is reality warping toon force. If someone can give me a reason as to why goku could even stand a chance against any form of toon force I would love to hear it. And even if he doesn’t have toon force, it’s at least reality warping which goku can’t even scrape the surface of. Fuck namek saga, ultra instinct goku gets demolished with no diff by gear 5.
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This is copium Even Luffy’s new cartoonish power won’t do much, if anything at all, seeing as Hybrid Kaido is tanking his blows with moderate/high difficulty, even though he’s fatigued Not only is goku universal in base maybe even more post manga but he can take his own attacks meaning luffy can do absolutely nothing to really hurt him On top of that since he scales massively above Luffy, he can negate his hax with raw power. DONT GET ME WRONG We still haven’t seen much of Luffy’s new powers, but if you think he can beat someone who is universal with extreme lowball then your definitely on something stop overhyping Gear 5 Luffy
I agree with that bit on toonforce wank. You cannot just say that if someone has toonforce, than they automatically scale to all other characters that has toonforce. They still need to show personal feats for that, and having a superpower is not enough for it.
Who the fuck had the audacity to even think this was a debate to be had. As dope as gear 5 is, Roshi in the og dragon ball can definitely body everyone in One Piece at the same time.
I personally completely agree with the multi continental - moon level scaling as a big one piece fan. Watching the show or reading the manga, I don't know how ppl even come up with the crazy scaling they do.
People will always take things out of context or extrapolate them to highball or wank characters way beyond reasonable proportions while arguing other characters either at a reasonable and realistic level or power or even below it, because they want to make an argument for why a character they like more would win. They'll say Luffy is star level because "W-well this guide says this and then this guide says this and this character said that and my calculator says this is this big so clearly it's true even though everything we've seen in the entire franchise contradicts it!!!" and then say Goku is sub-planetary fodder because he's never actually destroyed a planet on-screen. It's the same argument that leads to solar system level Naruto and universal-multiversal Bleach. At the very least, if you're gonna highball/wank some characters/verses to their absolute maximum, at least do the same for whoever/whatever is being used for comparison instead of just applying it to the side you clearly WANT to believe is more powerful. I word it this way because no actual thinking human with a fully-functioning brain thinks Luffy is unironically able to destroy stars or something, even Luffy being planet level is pretty generous. But people will argue this things out of a desire to say that Luffy is this powerful, not because they believe he is, truly. Complete ignorance and double standards, idk why people take fictional characters this seriously, it's not that big a deal. At that, I really just dislike how people disregard actual narrative intent in favor of making their own personal theory on how strong a character is. There are times where a character's strength is too vague to say anything concretely or even give a realistic range, but there are some characters where it's clear and obvious what level they're supposed to be on. Naruto at the end of Shippuden is clearly supposed to be a godly warrior that could level continents, whose AP is ranging anywhere from multi-continent-moon level, maybe planet level at max. That's just what Naruto is supposed to be at and anyone with common sense knows this. Saying he's a star buster or something similarly ludicrous is disregarding the actual intended portrayal of the character's power and is no better than simple headcanon.
Right now you were talking about Namk saga Goku and Gear 5 Luffy Which isn't much fair since Luffy is using his strongest transformation at his strongest power and Goku is at his weakest transformation in the first time he ever use it and heard of it. But yea,Goku wins
@@RIP2UALL yes but, destroying a planet with ease IS star level, that was in his first form. Base goku was leagues stronger than freiza first form, not to mention the last form is like, infinitely higher than his first. And then Ss goku is omega higher than that. Like it makes his first form’s feat straight up pathetic. Not to mention saiyans with like, a power level of 300 can just blast a planet away.. then base goku namek is 180,000. That would mean just kaioken x20 gives 3.6 Million. And that’s not even his strongest form. So with a lot of highballing that stays in the realm of a possible rating, you could get him to low galaxy or high solar system
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Your forgetting in dragon ball super luffy and goku fought base form vs base form and super goku base form way stronger then namek goku ssj, thats the only reason I disagree with you tho so let me know you thoughts.
With advanced armament he just has to hit goku once and then he's finished and since luffy is immune to punches goku would have to use an energy blast which luffy can deflect by turning the ground rubber
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@@aidenhudson8316wrong, Goku has taken way worse then whatever Luffy can dish out. And if you seriously think Luffy can even touch Goku, who atp was THOUSANDS of times faster than the speed of light while Luffy has barely scratched the surface of that kind of speed, you’re just trolling. And he can’t deflect a continental-planetary level blasts with the ground seeing as it would be destroyed along with Luffy
Non of them win they get hungry and eat and then there is one piece (I meant by of food) and then Nami bonks luffy on his head and same for goku
Idk about powerscaling but… that shit will never be more iconic than super saiyan 😭🙏
lmao bro thinks anime is all about fights. dude one piece is not just about its fights in fact the fights are only secondary to the plot. just aking a character infinitely strong doesnt make a story or the form more iconic or better.
@@ashaslsohail9748 ok…? But this is about a form. For fighting. Super saiyan is the baseline for all forms that came after. Its influence outranks Gear 5’s by an infinite amount.
@@ashaslsohail9748 this argument only works if we were taking about which anime is better. This is just about the forms and how iconic they are
I am both one piece and dragon ball fan it was iconic before now it has just been reduced to nothing but a simple saiyan powerup that is only used for a second and is on sale every alive saiyan that fought with main cast has it.
@@suckthesenutz It’s still one of the most recognizable things from the series. It shows up within other media and is referenced constantly. I doubt gear 5 will reach that status. Saying it’s over used now in db itself is kind of dumb. Why wouldn’t saiyans use it if they can?
When I hear a character can destroy the planet and has never destroyed even a small satellite, it's for me like when they say they will teach you a technique that eats away at all your life force... yet they survive teaching it and the main character survives using it like every other Tuesday.
No character in One Piece is planetary level. 21st Budokai Roshi destroyed the moon. He can take on all of the One Piece cast alone.
Holding Back Roshi Is Enough True.
Roshi would lose due to speed and stamina
But anyone in dbz can
@@dantemitsoyu977 Roshi's attack can reach the moon in seconds, speed's not an issue either.
Just because they don't doesn't mean they can't lol
Like what do you think will happen if they destroyed the planet? They'd basically kill themselves in the process
Statements are just as viable as feats and scaling but characters still need to back up their statements either with those stated powers or AP or with an equivalent showcase. Statements are viable but cannot be used in place of feats.
I think it's crazy that people actually think that Goku wouldn't absolutely starch a rubber pirate that's crazy LOL especially since he defeated a gumball already lol. That gumball known as Kid Buu was a menace too. Kid Buu versus Luffy wouldn't even be a fight. they have similar abilities except Kid Buu could turn him into candy and blow up the planet then meet him in the afterlife and eat him again🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@@reignellwalker9755 I'm Christian and I know the Bible tells you to spread the word of god. But like bro this just isn't the place.
Could Jesus beat Luffy or Goku?
Kid buu gonna have some Lonnie toons gum
No concept diff
One Piece fans don't know😂 Akira Toriyama was smoking something coming up with them power levels. Dragonball is on another level.
We actually know that Goku solos the One Piece verse with no diff
the thing i find retarded when people are comparing animes. they use the most powerful version of one character while nerfing the other character in dragon ball. current dragon ball super characters one shot ever other anime superheroes. if you need to max one character and nerf the other. there is no comparison. how you actually compare things is at their most powerful. look at what a defeated goku did once he learned what zamasu and goku black did in their timeline to gokus family. anime characters dont battle gods like they do in dragon ball. monkey luffy is dumb as fuck from inception
@@omarsharifnajafli7342master Roschi does that.
@@Scorpy666 Yeah, no complains about it. It isn't about who's the strongest, so that doesn't mean anything t normal people
Facts he jumped the gun before anybody elze with these powerlevels. Now basically all the Z fighters could blow up planets if they wanted too. He was ahead of the curb😂😂
One piece fans need to sit down and pipe down before big boi goku sneezes the whole one piece verse away
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as a op fan more than a Dbz fan that shit is embarrasing when im going how is luffy beating nappa or even an android let alone Goku hell Krillin Runs all the fades this shit makes me want to leave espically when they say trash gear 5 is more iconic ewwwww
Weaknesses, Luffy can't go in water. Goku can. They can both fly. Both have a stamina drain. But goku has mastered the stamina drain. Goku wont blow up the planet even though he can. goku has a habit of throwing fights he could have won by wanting to see what the person could do. goku has fought Majin Buu who can do things similar but greater. Luffy's range of influence over the environment will have limits so Goku would win, but goku would then pick Luffy back up for multiple rounds in good sport for training. then they will go eat at a buffet. two unstoppable forces meet. they greet each other and move out of each other's way.
This. Luffy, especialy in Gear 5, is extremelly fun loving. Goku wouldn't give a crap that he's stronger than him: he'd see a fighter who genuinely enjoys the fight he's having, and power himself down to just get to have a good time.
This is not an in character fight.
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@@ayshinobi3 Actually to be honest Goku would fight him to see his strength and Luffy prob wouldn't mind honestly there would be no real beef between the two cause its not like Goku wants to be pirate king 💀💀, Actually Luffy may want to fight if he thinks it will help him become pirate king
@@neon1047I mean he probably could kill with his aura but that is not in character for Goku to do so
Chiaotzu negs the verse btw
I feel just because it's Chiaotzu, he immediately explodes when a breeze hits him
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Saying Gear 5 is more iconic than Super Saiyan is like saying that Kamala Khan is more iconic than Batman
^^^^person who watched gear 5 vid and found the animation ridiculous and childish. Understand please stronger doesnt mean better in terms of story or anything.
@@ashaslsohail9748it's true tho... Super Saiyan could never be topped since it was one of the og and most iconic shonen transformation. It debuted in a time where new forms are unknown and unexpected.There's a reason why DB is often titled the father of shonen because it popularized most of the shonen tropes used today, including epic forms.
@@ashaslsohail9748Also, Goku has a lot of stronger forms but none of those, including ultra instinct, has ever surpassed SSJ in terms of iconicness. And imo, gear 2 is more iconic than gear 5.
who? (I know batman)
@@worldwideanimation2345some girl from marvel I think
Yeah, I generally think Whitebeard and other top tiers cap at planetary for the time being (and depending on future events with the Mother Flame stuff there could be further consistent scaling for large planetary) but that’s nowhere near Goku.
One piece fans are delusional. Whitebward was never planetary. Idiot.
As a OP fan I agree with you
tbf at the moment One Piece top tier get squashed by saiyan saga dbz
Luffy easily surpassed whitebeard and those old pirates
@@ppadilla8990not really kizaru walks through all of them except cell
master roshi with a power level of 180 has enough energy to fuel a star as stated in a guide book, if you want to go there then goku before even reaching Z is starlevel.
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i would say that actually the moon destroying kamehameha is his top, but these op fans be sayin 10x less sense makin shi
Good point. Yeah I mean, the thing I dislike with a lot of these people wanking verses like Naruto, OP, and Bleach WAAAY beyond the actual intended strength of the characters via using really vague statements and extrapolating them way beyond the real meaning and significance, is that they will do that, and then they will midball or lowball another character/verse unfairly instead of taking them at their potential best too. It's really annoying.
If we're arguing that Luffy is star level because of vague statements, indirect scaling, and genuine fucking fan-calcs, I'M arguing that Namek Goku is multi-solar system level or universal for similar reasons. He isn't, but we ain't doing this double standard bullshit of highballing one character but not the other. There are situations where highballing for fairness can make sense, but if someone is doing it just to argue that one character wins, "period", it's really stupid.
Doesn't make too much sense since Frieza in his first form, is able to create a literal supernova attack.
Just seems too strange to me a pre DBZ Roshi who can destroy/be relative to a sun.
Source? Im curious
Hydrogen Bomb 💣 vs Coughing Baby 👶
The Tsar Bomba vs A Cricket
Nuke vs ant
Goku vs cancer patient
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A Quasar Implosion into a Singularity that releases 100,000× the power of an entire Galaxy's lifetime in 5 Seconds
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Starving African child.
I think both ssj and gear 5 is hype af
@hatakekakashi8677 fr fax
He was saying both were cool not one is cooler.
@@Gamer_Lizard_68ss is its og for transformation no one compares to it not even ui
I like gear transformations. But nothing can actually compare to ssj if you watched dbz in that era. I remember imagining what each super saiyans would be upto 100.
Mid Gear Is Not Even 1,000 + Power Level Master Roshi Level.
One piece fans just cant imagine Goku and Luffy getting along
Fr they would just chill but they the first ones to talk about this matchup and not only that, they also happen to be very biased
I will never
I mean they literally met in a crossover, they have the EXACT SAME PERSONALITY, except luffy doesn't care about fighting, will eat poisoned food and say worth on their deathbeds (if the poison is strong enough to take them down) they both don't kill unless they have to, they both are stupid, and they both have moments where they stand on business (joyboy might leave a bad taste in goku's mouth to be fair with his refusal to be serious ever tho)
i've had this theory that the speed of light in the dragonball universe is vastly different, as we've seen characters reach light speed or faster than light quite a few times. In Super, Dyspo "could move at light speed" when I know at least in Beerus vs. Goku, they each moved at godly level speeds, and they've gotta be way faster than light at that point
dragon ball is a comedy shonen. dont focus TOO much on the power scaling. just have fun when watching db. thats what a lot of fans forget
@@superduperdonkey911I wouldn’t t necessarily say it’s a comedy entirely ESPECIALLY in the manga a lot of the time shit is super serious
The dyspo statement said he was “faster than light” Not that he was the speed of light
bro light speed in dragon ball is waky
"Dyspo "could move at light speed"".
They said that Dyspo, in the far, far past, was a speed-prodigy, surpassing the speed's of sound and light early on. They weren't saying anything about modern Dyspo's speed other than that he is extremely quick.
DB character's have been reaching light speed's since around the Saiyan Saga, or Namek Saga at the very latest.
Arale is... A mixed bag, if you want to scale Goku off her. On the one hand, when the original crossover happened,Red Ribbon Saga Kid Goku and Arale were shown to pretty much scale off eachother- pretty equivalent.
On the other, if you accept Super as having any validity at all, Arale whooped post resurrection F Vegeta, who's as strong as Goku.
I still loved that fight lmao
Vegeta always opts out of fighting gags
NekoMajin had him basically choose to stay off screen for the most part because it’s so goofy
You remember kid goku breaking the manga panel?
Everybody acting like goku can't instant transmission him inside a lake. Game over. Luffy got the wicked witch weakness
But what if Luffy brings a giant needle with him 💀💉
@@petroshalkos3453 Kamehameha
It’s the ocean that makes him weak not lakes. Can tell you’ve never watched or read One Piece.
@@nickschreffler6054To be fair it's not like that changes his point lol he could still just IT him into the ocean, but I do still think that this is a pretty bad matchup since it's a clear sweep lol
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I honestly don't understand why people think Luffy would beat Goku, Luffy's feats aren't even better than Goku's feats when comparing and he defeated Frieza which is stronger than the strongest villian in One Piece (I think if not then close I guess)
If we all talking about strength and power as a one piece fan dbz overpower the one piece verse. This is like comparing a cat and a lion in a fight. Its pirates against omega level universe saving death killing machines. Storytelling is better in one piece though.
@@iskayrim2656 well depends on if you like pirates or like Big dragon balls
@@t-rexwithinformationexactly, I started watching OP in 2019 and stopped after the lightning guy arc shit was buzz and slow af, dbz is straight fading hands 😂💯
@@nocapp_ I love dragonball but we have to be honest, they talk waaaay too much between the fighting segments.
Especially z where a fight will be short parts of fighting then like 10 minutes of convo or suspense.
Super wasn't too bad with that but its writing was not great.
Since no one answered its all because of potential, we have yet to see the limits of haki and we have yet to see the fourth wall breaking powers of luffy, right now I dont think we know enough unless he pulls some absolutely multiversal feat at the end of the series, which he seems to be capable of.
One thing for sure gear 5 will never be more iconic than super saiyan goku
As person that's not braindead, just by seeing the title I know imma see Luffy's guts be spilled all over the floor, except if he brings a giant needle with him 💀
There's a problem w the genkidama scale...
Y'all do remember Toriyama planned on ending DB at the namek arc, right? Cause later we get characters like Cell, Buu, etc. That are astronomically higher than Frieza from the namek saga and get to either galaxy or uni at best. W Beerus lowballing uni (yes I count BOG as a Z thing bcs the movie)
This is false He never planned on ending the series in the Namek arc.
@@DirtyDev it's not false. It's literally a known story. The fact that you're trying to downplay this story makes me doubt if you really are a db fan
@@urm0m69 Eh. Maybe not the best thing to say. Heck. I'm a comic book fan, but you couldn't ask me about certain story beats if almost any comic without me fumbling it up :'D
@@justintime2461 I don't think we agree on DB's and comic books' scale in terms of HOW GODDAMN BIG THEY ARE
@@urm0m69 Yeah. But keep in mind. A fan isn't always going to know everything about a series. Heck. I've known Dragonball for years as well as seen plenty of videos on it, yet this knowledge about Toriyama's plans to end it in the Namek Saga eluded me
Frieza was able to destroy planets in his restricted form. If goku became around the strength of final form frieza, he would be able to destroy planets with ease.
master roshi was able to destroy the moon in classic when goku was still a kid.
Forget Freeza , king Vegeta destroyed three planets by just raising his hand , and his power level is nearly 13,000 , and ssj goku's first appearance was 150,000,000 .
@@thebignigga69420not to mention just SSG goku clashing 3 times would destroy a universe. Dawg could kamehame-ha the universe away
I have seen calcs for the OP world that would put it and it’s destruction at Star level, so if one were to take White Beard’s statement literally, I feel Star is arguably fair, though the Star level meta you mentioned in this vid is 💀💀💀 I didn’t know fans could get like that.
Goated video, didn’t know how crazy the DBZ Universal Metas got, especially so early on. I mean, I knew about the Garlic Jr stuff but that was it. Very informative.
That is incredible wank one piece Earth high ball would be Jupiter in size
Nah, there’s in verse evidence of it being larger than the sun (around 1.2x bigger by my estimate)
And that’s not even getting into the scaling in Kristan Kember’s most recent vid.
@@michaeldorsey9231 can you give me a link?
@@michaeldorsey9231 Yeah the Kristan calc is pretty solid
Even if you wank the size to that, that would only scale whitebeard, and specifically with his ability. Other characters in one piece can't replicate the same feat. Just people purposely misinterpreting the obvious meaning to make them sound as strong as possible. In reality luffy's continental, possibly barely multi-continental with his absolute best attack. Given one piece's large world, and his island-sized fist.
Nah bro goku is too op in name saga goku was actually suppresed which beers or any of the kais thought was possible. So goku was actually beats Luffy with or without ssj depending if goku wants to finish it fast or slowly.
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Youre 100% right with this video.
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aye nice. I will say i've seen millions of time FTL for the kaido fight but don't fully get the paper math because of the multipliers and the um strength of how much G5 is stronger then that current arc g4 cause remember OP luffy seems to get stronger as the series goes along but thats the highest i've seen of luffy speed besides running off oh G5 can use luffy imagination and luffy can change his speed and what not. I've seen OP planet cals as well its a big planet it turns out. you know the people claiming toon force don't even understand what toon force even is and why it really doesn't scale you anywhere and is kinda meaningless and just meant to be a laugh so what Oda looked a tom and jerry to base g5 powers off of thats just a cool reference if i say so
Black holes aren't something like a solar system vacuum that sucks everything in its range
It's nothing but a mass concentrated really tightly into itself
It has really really high density
And density is directly proportional to gravitational force
If our earth was a black hole, it would about a cm across
I know its out of context the way he described blackholes was a bit bizarre
I know i know it's literally an anime video but still
Take it as a piece of info if you want to
Earth’s swartschild radius is the size of a penny. I don’t know how to spell swarts child
Funny enough the og dragon ball kid Goku was a gag character breaking manga panels and using the power pole to move stuff to the moon on seconds.
We have to draw the the lane between gag abilities and legitimate toon force. Gag abilities only emulate toon force while toon force itself is is own thing.
This video is pure fax exept when you said star are alive. Like bro WTF
One piece fans are wilding with these statements💀
Ssj is iconic as it’s the broken legendary transformation that been hyped the whole series but gear 5 is just a op transformation
I died when they called him universal
Yes I love one piece but Luffy is planetary max
Someone said luffy is boundless 💀🙏
U don't even need to use any high end scailing for goku to blitz n one shot luffy 🥱🥱
I don’t see how anybody could say gear 5 luffy even comes close to beating goku. Frieza had a power level of 530,000 in his weakest form and could blow up a planet. In the databooks it’s stated that you need a power level of atleast 10,000 to blow up a planet so that means frieza had enough power to destroy a planet 530 times over. No character in one piece is touching goku
I always use these facts when 6th graders be RIDING Luffy, really all they can say is he has God level Toon Force, which is we all know is pushing it
Nuclear bomb vs. coughing baby. Piccolo in the Saiyan saga, who was weaker than even Nappa, was able to destroy the moon with one ki blast. That is way more power than we've ever seen displayed by anyone in One Piece, and Goku by the end of the Saiyan saga was many times more powerful than even that.
A more fair comparison would be current Luffy vs. Goku at the end of Dragon Ball.
Ironically piccolo has basically all the powers that luffy possess in Gear 5, stretching parts of the body, grabbing and manipulation lightning, become a giant etc..but he still taked a beating from Goku lmao
Lmao end of db is too much. When goku went great ape roshi folded the moon too. After, we see roshi’s power was 129. Goku was past that as a child
A more even match up would had been Luffy vs Yamcha
Yamcha negs the verse
Luffy vs Pan*
Luffy vs 23 wt goku
This is too much, sperm krillin negs
If its post-cell yamcha he still breaks luffy but its much closer
At the most destructive i put luffy at large planetary lvl with g5. I think current luffy could push goku to kaioken possibly
Dragon ball is just too powerful for every anime verse
I think he would break his hand on king piccolo tbh, but that’s just my opinion! Be sure to subscribe if you like the content it helps the channel a lot!
Luffy couldn't even beat depleted kaido whose island level at best with his strongest form without struggling but he could push kaioken goku who's planet buster? Nice Joke! xD
Dragon ball the beginning Goku not super or dragon ball z
Kaioken is from DBZ not DB
It depends which Goku, current Goku at base would prob destroy the whole galaxy that Luffy's planet is in even if he tries to hold back, and by current Goku I mean post black Frieza/Gash Goku, and ik that's unfair and you are probably referring to namek Goku or saiyan saga Goku but tbh I am a sucker for pointing out how op Goku is.
Let's also not forget Goku started off as a gag character bruh, he was out here breaking his own manga panels, and sending rabbits to the moon.
fun fact kid goku was already planet level after he beat piccolo who stated himself to be planet level and could have destoyed earth already so if you ask me z base goku who would have already been multi solar system level was already enough for the whole op verse
Fun fact a kid Luffy was a dumbass 💀
not to mention piccolo destroying the moon after the fight with raditz
why is this video 17 Min?! All i could say is:
Goku wins, Cya.
Bro I stopped watching after I heard that One Piece fans had "Forgotten our place". Seems like anime fans' sense of tribalism is more iconic and powerful than either Luffy or Goku.
Sowwy I was joking pls forgive me 🥺
One of the things that I always bring up with people talking about Naruto/One Piece comparing to Dragon Ball is that their scale of power never justified or created the need for them to deal with anything besides worldly threats and mortals. Dragon Ball has been dealing with Galactic and Universal threats from a VERY early point and MUI Goku at the end of the anime (not to mention how far manga Goku has gone since then) is exponentially more powerful that any of those forces faced at that point in time.
One pice fans are forgetting there place🤓
Eh. Still more powerful than My Hero Macademia nuts
Luffy sees Ki being used and giving himself Ki to even out the fight 😂
Luffy has to touch you for anything to work. Seen by kaido countering him in his flaming dragon form. And when he grabs the lightning bolt. You can speed blitz him or blow up the planet.
We are also seen by kizaro. His Billy's can be non effective against certain characters. And not to mention Lucy wouldn't even be able to touch goku. The speed gap is way too far. And goku, like one percent of his power in base form, would annihilate luffy and olive one piece and everybody in In one piece
Not true, when Kaido slammed luffy into the rooftop and his eyes shot out like a cartoon, so was everyone else like Kidd and Law, and he wasnt touching them.
I think Solar System to Multi-Solar System level Namek saga high tiers makes the most sense. Star level always seemed like a lowball, whereas Universal is a bit of a highball (albeit pretty consistent and far better than Luffy or Naruto's "universal metas"). I don't think Luffy gets past 22nd Budokai honestly. Small Planetary power was already surpassed in that arc.
W vid
4 big guys
And they bust on my thighz
The real debate is, demon king piccolo vs gear 5 luffy and sage of 6 paths naruto no time limit, and the answer is, gear 5 luffy's strongest attacks are continent busting at best and naruto isn't anywhere near as powerful in sage of six paths mode, master roshi destroyed the moon with a power level of 139 and demon king piccolo has 260 power level, it's not a debate, the only thin in dragon ball luffy could beat is the red ribbon army and even then he wouldn't kill doctor I forget how to spell it and well, that won't end well, the only way he beats KAMI at during the demon king piccolo saga is if he realizes the full power of his devil fruit, BUT SAYAIN SAGA GOKU IS WILD, EVEN IF LUFFY HAD SUPER KAIOKEN TIMES 50 (the form was like times 5 or 10 the singular time it was used) OR EVEN SUPER SAYAIN BLUE KAIOKEN TIMES 20 HE WOULD STILL LOSE, I know this because in the super broly movie, he was somewhat on par with super sayain 2 vegeta (I am capitalizing some things so it doesn't underline them because it's annoying and it doesn't work for all caps things for some reason) and then when he went super sayain god he didn't one tap kill broly, so the increase isn't like 5000 times super sayain, and then ssj blue is 50x ssj god and the kaioken times 20 is 20 times more, so lets make some estimations, let's say, and we are highballing it, that continent busting is 75+ power level because master roshi destroyed the moon with barley more, so with that highball we put gear 5 luffy at 75 power level, then we get ssj 2 which is 100 times (50x multiplied by 2) and that makes it which makes it 75k, then we multiply that by (big highball) 100 times (broly got up like nothing happened in like 10-20 seconds) and so that makes it 7.5M, multiply that by 20 for 150M, and WHEN GOKU ARIVES, he has 3M, and then he gets a zenkai boost, but EVEN IGNORNING THAT or saying that I am wrong and he ended up with 3M power level, he still multiplies his power level by 50 in super sayain, and that means it's just hands, not good for luffy, but WAIIIIIIIIT you say, "Luffy can stretch and use haki" first of all, i'm assuming his strongest attacks include haki, observation haki is useful, but does that lead him to a win, no because of my second point, luffy's most powerful attack is the result of him using his stretching powers, and it's an attack of 75 power level that we established before, but we put that as his power level, when he is using an attack way beyond his normal abilitys, that's like saying sayain saga vegeta suddenly increased his power level to 24k in base mid-fight when he went band for band with goku's kaioken times 3 kamehameha (sorry if I spelt that wrong) and keep in mind vegeta ended up less hurt than goku from the kaioken times 4 attack because he could move a bit, because of the strain of kaioken he ended up more hurt even though they were both about as hurt because vegeta go spirit bombed and 3v1'd and that means that kaioken times 2 goku would have been equal to vegeta there, so that's like implying that it wasn't the technique (or plot armour) that let him go band for band with kaioken times 3 goku, which is obsurd, and so goku is faster than luffy by enough here that he can prob just punch him while with his other hand while he is dodging, and that is assuming he doesn't just go KAIOKEN TIMES 10, and blitz luffy, but goku would be up to the challenge, and then win considering he has more range than luffy with ki, and his strongest attack, you could either say is equal to his pure fist, or a kamehameha, that takes no effort, AND WE HIGHBALLED LUFFY AND LOWBALLED GOKU, so yea, namek saga goku beats gear 5 luffy in ssj blue kaioken, AND TO THINK SOME PEOPLE PUT GEAR 5 LUFFY AGAINST MUI GOKU, oh nah, ssj god goku facing someone supressed down to his own level threatened to destroy an infinite universe from the pure force they were making, and MUI goku is atleast 10k times stronger than that, so he goes full power and slams his fist in his palm and the entirety of universe 7 just like, explodes and I don't even watch dragon ball but I know it's at least this and prob way more, hundreds of thousands of times or even millions and that means when he does that it prob destroys like, 7 universes, (wait if that's the case and zeno has to charge a bit to destroy a universe that would imply goku is stronger than him in mui, but then again that's prob just for dramatic effect lol) (edit, forgot to add the blue part so he prob wins there but I CAN make an argument for ssj blue, although 50 times is obviously more than 20 times, and in fact it would be 375M if we are assuming the other stats are correct, but turns out he was just using base super sayain (no sparks) at least from what I found, so that halves it at 187.5M, but the ssj god I realized was a MASSIVE highball, because, if we look at the stats we have seen that even DOUBLE a power level ABSOLUTLEY DESTROYS SOMEONE, in the sayain saga piccolo had 3,500 and got DESTROYED by nappas 4000, goku speedblitzed 50% frieza final form even though he was on par or even losing to frieza 100% (he won because frieza was slowly losing power) and so a IN THEORY correct amount would be 25, because goku survied some hits with frieza at 20x his power level (wait how was he losing in super sayain, damage?) anyways but he was getting about as ragdolled as broly did for that moment but a bit less per hit, so 25 is most likely the answer, so that halves it again bringing him down to 93.75M, enough to get DESTROYED by super sayain, but also even if he has gotten stronger up to about moon-level, that still doesn't bring him much higher than 160M tops, and so either it being his strongest attack being stronger than him or the kaioken that would make him lose, ACTUALLY, SPEAKING OF THE KAIOKEN, as far as we know the only drain super sayain put on goku was a light stamina drain, and with the kaioken it damages you, considering those are very different and separate drains and he could hold kaioken times 10 no issue, with the total power level being brought down to an eight of what it used to be, then HE CAN, heck he would lose if goku was in kaioken times ten assuming my first calculations were correct OR EVEN 5, BUT WITH IT DIVIDED BY 8, HE ISN'T EVEN BEATED HIM WITHOUT SUPER KAIOKEN, EVEN IF YOU PUT HIM AT MOON LEVEL A SIMPLE LIGHT 1.5 OR EVEN 1.2 OR 1.3 WOULD BE ENOUGH WITH NO PLOT ARMOR, HAH, I REALLY WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG, AND EVEN WITHOUT SUPER KAIOKEN, WITH MY THEORY ABOUT HIM BEING WEAKER THAN HIS STRONGEST ATTACK, GOKU COULD SIMPLY GET UP CLOSE BECAUSE IT'S A SLAM ATTACK, AND IF HE WERE ABLE TO SLAM ON HIMSELF TO GET GOKU WITH THAT ARM STRETCHING, HE WOULD ALSO GET HIMSELF, but even if you say not plot armor, no kaioken and that goku wouldn't pull dirty tricks, YOU'RE NERFING HIM BY SAYING NO KAIOKEN, AND HE IS IN A RAGE STATE AT THAT POINT SO DIRTY TRICKS ARE FAIR GAME, but if he doesn't think of that KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE NOT NERFING GOKU, WE ARE BUFFING LUFFY, so yea, he wins this, also CURRENT GOKU CRIPPLE BASE FORM BEATS THIS VERSION OF LUFFY WITHOUT THE DIVIDING BY 8 IDC ABOUT YOUR OPINON ON THAT.
There's no way One Piece earth is as big as the sun, that's over a million times bigger than earth
And if gravity exists a planet that big wouldn't be able to sustain life because its star would have to be a million times bigger than ours to keep a steady climate
On top of all that no human can stand on a planet like that because of the high gravitational force, and no, you can't just say all humans in One Piece have super strength
“you can't just say all humans in One Piece have super strength”
But you can? Regular humans without devil fruits like Zoro can train to become strong enough to pull off these multi continental to planetary feats, and even the “regular” humans who don’t train like Zoro still have scaling that make them much stronger than any real world human (ie, the ancient Shandorans surviving the Knock Uo stream sending Jaya to Skypia would require them to have multi-city block to small town levels of durability).
So yes, fictional humans with superhuman scaling can live on a planet bigger than our sun (my best lowball has it at 1.2x bigger in volume)
@@michaeldorsey9231 even if that were true, gravity wouldn't behave the way it does, things would fall mich faster and buildings wouldn't be able to support themselves
The biggest size a habitable planet could be is about the size of Neptune at most
“things would fall mich faster and buildings wouldn't be able to support themselves”
Let’s say this premise is correct and the gravity of the OP planet needs to be greater than that of earth (it doesn’t, it’s possible for a planet with larger volume but less density to have the same gravitational acceleration as earth does).
All this means is that materials in the OP verse are stronger than their real world counter parts as well. And considering that Luffy already had island level AP as far back as Skypia, yet certain buildings/structures only take minimal damage from him and characters that scale to/above him, it’s not inconsistent to argue that either.
@@michaeldorsey9231 so is the planet hollow on the inside or made out of sponge? That's preposterous
We know the planet is heavy because many heavy things are on it, Big Mom alone would generate an orbit (ignore that last part)
“We know the planet is heavy because many heavy things are on it, ”
What is this line of reasoning? I personally don’t disagree that it’s more likely that the OP planet and any materials on it share the same density as their real world counterparts, but some materials/characters by themselves being heavy doesn’t say anything about the planet’s overall density.
Goku in base DB dodged a Light speed lazer from one of the robots in the Red Ribbon Army, he is already FTL in OG db AS A KID.
yeah this dbz stuff goes crazy, tbh before watching power scaling videos I liked to think that:
Vegeta(sayian saga): planet level
Frieza: Star level
Cell: Solar system level
Buu: Galaxy/galaxys level
Beerus: Universe level
It looked to me like a cool, linear way of progression for the characters.
Then I got into power scaling and yeaaaaah it gets kinda crazy
Yeah, when you stop to think that nappa with a power level that was around 8k was already exploding planets, and then go to namek where theyve gotten thousands of times stronger, thats when you realise how crazy db verse power scales are.
People just seem to act like higher power level means better anime/mangá, but no, OP fans should just accept that those two verses have completely different power scales, and thats okay, I dont get why OP fans wants so desperatly to say that Luffy is as strong as Goku.
but then, you also remember piccolo and how during the training with gohan, he blew up the moon
with a power level under 500
like jesus christ
@@XxN00BxXgg3 exactly XD
all terrible scaling king vegeta is multi planetary so from your information king vegeta is stronger than frieza who has power level of 16,000. King vegeta destroyed several planets with one attack, if you don't believe it search it up. Frieza was told and shown to be galaxy level with universal feats stated in the show, cell is either multi galaxy or low uni but lets say multi galaxy since there isn't much evidence of low uni feats. Buu is universal since he was stated many times throughout the arc if goku didn't kill him he would destroy the universe by the Kaioshen's and by anime it self. Beerus is multiversal and all gods of destruction are since he is above goku who has shown multiversal feats.
least you know what the actual scaling is
I know I’m late but I think people also forget a couple of things
1: goku in dragon ball super when fighting jiren goku powerd up to Mui and while he was transforming he created a galaxy.
2: goku base form has power level of 45 billion
3: goku and vegeta after all of the training on different planets and using all kinds of methods to get stronger they both can lift 75 ducillion or 3 Jupiters
4: goku using instant transmission was event stated you dematerialize and travel as a mass of light or in simple terms he moves faster than light because they leave space/time and enter into another point of location
5 : finally goku has mui and yes I’m just using the anime if I also include the manga we can also include his finally form which most people forget is his perfectd mui state which is exactly what is sounds like he can use it at anytime and it’s better than true ui
ngl this is the most ive seen someone fairly explain why he beats luffy W vid
Bro DBZ scalers take the cake on scaling shit way out of proportion. You're right on the battle but holy fuck. Mftl in base is insane. When the first thing Gotenks did was display lightspeed by circling the planet 6-8 times. Then how does this work in a world where Dyspo exist and he is said to be lightspeed. People try to say it's MFTL but the material does not say. It's MFTL it says he moves at lightspeed to FTL being generous. Then "universal" in the namek Saga is straight up braindead. When that would make the Beerus fight stakes mute. And Cell said he was Solar System level. So Frieza=Super Buu?
Like some people need to learn context. Frieza is called the Universe Tyrant for a reason. He ruled the universe before Goku defeated him. That's the elicit context.
No way One Piece fans think it will be more iconic then Super Sayain, Super Sayain absolutely slams as well… Keep grinding 💯🔥
you have not been paying attention to the reactions to G5
@@Leostar-Regalius if I ask a person that hasn’t watched anime before, and ask them name one transformation. I don’t think they’ll say gear 5. If I show a picture of a super sayain to someone, and a picture of gear 5, more likely then not they’ll know Super Sayain.
@@Leostar-Regaliusyou can say that about any hype moment, they’re big for a month but die in popularity later on.
Gear 5 has arguably been Hype since its release in March of 2022, so it’s retained its popularity for a little over a year now.
Definitely not as iconic as super saiyan though, that’s just been around much longer, it’s too early to say that Gear 5 is anywhere near as “iconic”
Exactly it’s like people don’t know what iconic means. You can ask elderly people who have never even watched dragon ball yet they know what super saiyan is. No transformation in history is as iconic as super saiyan.
yo can yall tell the dude who said the gear 5 luffy no diffs super saiyan god goku to tell me who his plug is, that guy is giving them some of the trippiest shit ever ima need that
I think namek saga goku and frieza caps at large star level. It is what makes most sense to me, a first form frieza can casually destroy a large planet and he is way stronger in his final form. So him being star level would be reasonable. Also it would also make sense that it goes from a star level threat to a solar system level threat with Cell. As he statet he could destroy the entire solar system. and Buu being a multi galaxy - universal threat, this progression just makes a lot of sense to me. Goku most likely stomps Luffy here.
Bro, thats a massive downplay.
That your opinion a falls information from back in the day
Personally, I feel like an interesting sequel would be Goku (Pick any time era that feels the most fair) Vs The Shippuden 3 (Naruto, Ichigo, and Luffy)
They couldn't even 1v3 Yamcha, lol.
So ToP Goku vs G5 Luffy, Final Form Peak Power Naruto and Ichigo's strongest form? thats just dad disciplining his children lmao@@Scorpy666 they might make goku tired, or hungry but thats. Goku is damn near Multiversal - probably is Multiversal considering he made the Void, Infinite Nothing, shake.
@@Scorpy666 I did specifically mention to use the Goku that would make it the closest fight
@@justintime2461 kid goku from OG dragon ball earlier on when he is not yet a planet buster.
Altough he put a rabbit on the moon without any serious effort.
Nah even kid goku> 1v3.
@@Scorpy666 Is Kid Goku higher than Star Level? If not, the Shippuden 3 sweep
Ah, Hell. Soon as I saw Namek Goku I could already tell something was gonna go down. This is gonna be interesting.
I think when you talk about speed being ftl, it is reaction speed due to observation haki, actual speed would be relative to light
That's honestly how I feel about a lot of "Speed feats" that people give characters. A lot of the time it's situations where it'd be a lot more likely to simply be aim dodging. And then other times, like with Tanjiro dodging the Drum guy's attacks, they'll say that makes Tanjiro supersonic. That of course ignores the fact that Tanjiro had to move like a foot, and the attack had to move around ten or twenty feet. So even if you don't think it's aim dodging, it still doesn't qualify as supersonic. And for One Piece characters it's fairly obvious that they're not MFTL since Kizaru's lightspeed movement is considered fast. And of course there's the argument of whether Kizaru can actually react and fight at lightspeed, or whether it's just his movement speed that is that fast. And the aim dodging argument for lazers and such holds even more ground in One Piece since, as you say, Observation Haki is a thing.
Excellent video. I love the tactic of using the highest interpretation against one another so there is no room for argument. Amazing video
Luffy is not universal bro 💀
He might be..
He knows. He’s just going along with the wanks just to show that it doesn’t matter even with said highball
@@ianyo5132def a mid piece fan 💀
Nobody even talks about gear 5 anymore. Anime now cannot possible be iconic anymore when everything is able to be restreamed edited and scaled social media has butchered that level of iconic that series had before it.
Dbz >
99% of shounens dont touch DB.
Let’s relax bro 💀
Me when a One Piece fan says Gear 5 is more iconic than super saiyan:
*KNOW YOUR PLACE LOWLY SCUM* !!!!!!!
Nice vid
Thank you!
Character: *can suddenly fly* I am god!
Fans: This guy is definitely god now
I would say that the only simple buff luffy has is that the world of one piece scales much larger than the earth. so an island could probably be a whole mountain size. and a mountain can be bigger.
goku vs beerus was threatening the entire microcosm. goku before the top was beyond universal
@@nomercyinc6783 never shown him being universal.
Bro watch the anime before you say he isn't universal 💀
@@nomercyinc6783 True but irrelevant, the vid is namek goku vs luffy gear 5, post-namek doesn't count.
People all over the world screamed on public showing of the episode in excitment when Goku turned MUI
Gear 5 comes now here bear close to that
And SSJ is a whole different league
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The debate of wich is better narratively i would think there's a debate... but powerwise? No way... there's not even a case to be made.
It’s toon force. You got to mention they also said “ putting smiles on faces” which also describes toon force
He doesn’t have toon force. Get over it
@@dizzyb2309 it’s literally described as toon force and Kaido even made reference to his abilities being lint a comic strip
@@rodneymcstah2973 They dont wanna accept the truth its hilarious cause this is only a small sample of G5 were gonna get even better feats with G5 that will be irrefutable proof of Toon force
@@JayMyles24 facts and they also ignored the fact he manifested goggles with the Poof sound just to pose before his attack.
@@rodneymcstah2973 Facts bro I was literally just replying to a comment on another video saying Luffy made the goggles outta his hair when there's literally a poof sound effect their arguments are more ridiculous than Luffys power
If you didn’t know death battle actually scaled the dragon ball universe to be atleast 9x bigger than ours and sense it’s constantly expanding it would keep growing in size, and ik death battle is not realiable but they’ve actually calculated the
Just to point something out.
The slow slow beams aren't light speed. Foxy explains that the beams slow down after being launched.
So glad someone says Luffy’s not took force & why since I never got into it and just thought he had low levels of Toon Force
Hold on they really comparing ssj1 VS GEAR 5?!?? As in the 5th one?!?!! 😂😂😂
Lmao goku just that guy he only need his first form to neg that mf, thanks for the comment and be sure to subscribe for more power scaling content
Even before namek arc (where goku first becomes SS) he still has the ability to destroy a planet as Goku stopped vegetas galick gun which he says can destroy earth.
I agree with you about the Toon Force argument. Just because the animation got silly and his stretchy body became more toon like doesn't mean he got toon force. In fact his rubbery body only mimics the rubber bodies of actual toons due to him literally having the gum gum fruit. He didn't magically get a rubber body that wasn't already in that manner to mimic toons he was just more exaggerated in his movements due to his new "Gear 5". People are always taking one new ability and wanking their heroes to the extreme. Imagine thinking that wacky animation = god tier ability.
In the Manga it was definitely contentious whether or not Luffy had Toon force(even if that’s Oda’s intention) but I wholeheartedly believe the Anime made it clear. Yes I know this video was released a day before the episode, but it’s worth mentioning that none of the stuff in the episode but ONE scene proves it more than this one(a bunch of goofy effects, souses and the iconic *SLAM*, but none as good as this). It’s the scene where Kaido is getting the Loki treatment and if you frame by frame, there’s MULTIPLE frames where Luffy’s eyes and mouth are on the ground and Kaido himself. There’s also him putting his eyes back into his head and his hands go flying out the backside as another example. Trash scaling or not, Luffy should at least be afforded Toon Force in verses battles, even if it’s not the highest extent of toon force(at least yet, let Oda cook y’all)
Kaido also got burnt to a crips and then popped back like it didn’t happen. Oda literally said that episode was meant to be like a Tom and Jerry episode
I agree, he has toon force but it’s at the VERY lowest level. Bugs Bunny is the definition of what toon force is, he has rewritten his own story for sun multiple times, or sb like Popeye who literally beat his author up
What about kid and law having their eyes popped out? So everyone now has toon force.
This isn't absolutely will never iconic coz this wasn't release in 90's
It could really go either way tbh.
If Luffy masters gear 5, cant he just imagine that he has the same abilities and strength as Goku?
And since Goku has a high battle IQ, he could learn how it works, and when he figures out it has a time limit, he can wait it out. But remember, Luffy needs to actually die for the Gear to activate.
Bro, goku absorbed ssg into his base form, the same power that almost destroyed the entire universe just by clashing fist with beerus. There’s only one way this is going 😭
So quick question, how strong is Goku's defense, because Haki exists and bypasses ALL DEFENSE EXCEPT HAKI. So the real question is does haki nulify qi?
Weirdly enough, he survived hakai. A technique that erases you from existence in all timelines. In base form. Plus no attack would land anyway
bro krillin destroys luffy gear 5 LOL
I’d say gear 5 luffy is closer to Kaioken x 4 goku from the Saiyan saga
id say raditz lvl man
I'd say kid Goku finger at max
Gear 5 is definitely 100% a version of "toon force." When they said he's only limited by this imagination, that doesn't mean he can will things into existence like some omnipotent God, but rather he's able to kind of turn the regular rules of reality into rubber as well and bend them in so many ways that he's basically only limited by his imagination. In essence though, he is in fact a Looney Tunes sort of "God." I mean, Oda has gone on record to say that's directly where he took inspiration from and he purposely gave Luffy the "most ridiculous" power imaginable because he wanted"to have fun with it and make people laugh" including even in the most serious moments. Oda believes wholeheartedly that it's possible to have fun even in the most serious of moments. And after being with this series for so long, he's made me a believer in that ideology too.
Goku is a gag character as well. His original anime/manga was a gag show. He destroyed manga panels and other silly things like that. He was also able to put a bite mark into whis, one or the strongest characters in dragon ball period (not counting zeno and stuff) purely for a gag. Who’s even was visibly in pain and it left a mark. So to say luffy has anything over goku with “toon force” or as a “gag character” is plain out stupid.
Also counting the fact whis is an actual god. Like no ifs or buts, a god who can literally reverse time.
In that case luffy might be stronger than goku. But as a anime dbz/s >>> one piece. Seeing toon force is worse than the worst plot armors. And I am a bigger fan of one piece.
10:48 I believe in the manga King Kai directly says Goku needs to be careful with his Spirit Bomb on earth because of their sun. I remember him saying that if he used too much energy from the sun then he could risk destroying the earth. It's likely why the Earth Spirit Bomb was so small compared to the Namek and World of the Kai's bomb.
Dbz fans dont realize how broken “the limit of imagination” is, if luffy can grab lighting what makes you think he can’t grab a kamehameha 😂. His power is ridiculous. It’s not meant to make sense. You’re shooting youreself in the foot trying to make sense of it. Its also too early to judge gear 5, luffy hasn’t even mastered it and it got Dbz fan’s breathing heavy. Stop comparing verses and just enjoy the show.
Bro was getting pressed by Kaido and you think he’s grabbing a kahmehamaha from someone a million times stronger then Kaido
@@Goji-C Million times or not if it can be materialized, it can be rubberized 😂.
@@poisedpain4966goku instant transmissions Luffy in a laks in a split second fight over
@@austboss98 luffy has future sight so he knows where Goku will be before he gets there. Keep coming y’all… there’s a counter for every BS that comes out 😂.
@@poisedpain4966 so many things wrong with that first of all Luffy can only see a few milliseconds into the future also Ur implying Luffy would be able to react to Goku no he would not Goku speed blitz before luffys heart beats
bro if we use statements then even temari is universal
Gear 5 has been described as being able to do LITERALLY anything he imagines, it is reality warping toon force. If someone can give me a reason as to why goku could even stand a chance against any form of toon force I would love to hear it. And even if he doesn’t have toon force, it’s at least reality warping which goku can’t even scrape the surface of. Fuck namek saga, ultra instinct goku gets demolished with no diff by gear 5.
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bruh if luffy can do anything why didn't he just beat kaido or lucci by one shooting them
Me when I have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever:
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This is copium Even Luffy’s new cartoonish power won’t do much, if anything at all, seeing as Hybrid Kaido is tanking his blows with moderate/high difficulty, even though he’s fatigued Not only is goku universal in base maybe even more post manga but he can take his own attacks meaning luffy can do absolutely nothing to really hurt him On top of that since he scales massively above Luffy, he can negate his hax with raw power.
DONT GET ME WRONG We still haven’t seen much of Luffy’s new powers, but if you think he can beat someone who is universal with extreme lowball then your definitely on something
stop overhyping Gear 5 Luffy
I agree with that bit on toonforce wank. You cannot just say that if someone has toonforce, than they automatically scale to all other characters that has toonforce. They still need to show personal feats for that, and having a superpower is not enough for it.
Dragon ball & bleach >>> one piece (of shit) & gayruto
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Bleach is shit+naruto clears
bro tried to sneak in bleach
naruto >>>>bleach, bleach is overwanked
Who the fuck had the audacity to even think this was a debate to be had. As dope as gear 5 is, Roshi in the og dragon ball can definitely body everyone in One Piece at the same time.
and this aint even mentioning the other forms that goku has so one piece definitely got beat good vid :)
I personally completely agree with the multi continental - moon level scaling as a big one piece fan. Watching the show or reading the manga, I don't know how ppl even come up with the crazy scaling they do.
As a big one piece fan I could cat with full confidence that Luffy can not take Goku
People will always take things out of context or extrapolate them to highball or wank characters way beyond reasonable proportions while arguing other characters either at a reasonable and realistic level or power or even below it, because they want to make an argument for why a character they like more would win. They'll say Luffy is star level because "W-well this guide says this and then this guide says this and this character said that and my calculator says this is this big so clearly it's true even though everything we've seen in the entire franchise contradicts it!!!" and then say Goku is sub-planetary fodder because he's never actually destroyed a planet on-screen. It's the same argument that leads to solar system level Naruto and universal-multiversal Bleach. At the very least, if you're gonna highball/wank some characters/verses to their absolute maximum, at least do the same for whoever/whatever is being used for comparison instead of just applying it to the side you clearly WANT to believe is more powerful. I word it this way because no actual thinking human with a fully-functioning brain thinks Luffy is unironically able to destroy stars or something, even Luffy being planet level is pretty generous. But people will argue this things out of a desire to say that Luffy is this powerful, not because they believe he is, truly. Complete ignorance and double standards, idk why people take fictional characters this seriously, it's not that big a deal.
At that, I really just dislike how people disregard actual narrative intent in favor of making their own personal theory on how strong a character is. There are times where a character's strength is too vague to say anything concretely or even give a realistic range, but there are some characters where it's clear and obvious what level they're supposed to be on. Naruto at the end of Shippuden is clearly supposed to be a godly warrior that could level continents, whose AP is ranging anywhere from multi-continent-moon level, maybe planet level at max. That's just what Naruto is supposed to be at and anyone with common sense knows this. Saying he's a star buster or something similarly ludicrous is disregarding the actual intended portrayal of the character's power and is no better than simple headcanon.
Luffy is stopped at sayain saga Goku and that depends on if he doesn't use kaioken
Tbh i think master roshi from original db could beat kaido because he was able to destroy the moon with a single Kamehameha
Right now you were talking about Namk saga Goku and Gear 5 Luffy Which isn't much fair since Luffy is using his strongest transformation at his strongest power and Goku is at his weakest transformation in the first time he ever use it and heard of it.
But yea,Goku wins
Woah, an Island level vs a Star level isn't close? that's crazy.
Cough.. namek goku was def galaxy level highballing
@@TheGrimReaper19 Namek was Star level, tops. Buu Saga was maybe close to Galaxy.
@@RIP2UALL yes but, destroying a planet with ease IS star level, that was in his first form. Base goku was leagues stronger than freiza first form, not to mention the last form is like, infinitely higher than his first. And then Ss goku is omega higher than that. Like it makes his first form’s feat straight up pathetic. Not to mention saiyans with like, a power level of 300 can just blast a planet away.. then base goku namek is 180,000. That would mean just kaioken x20 gives 3.6 Million. And that’s not even his strongest form. So with a lot of highballing that stays in the realm of a possible rating, you could get him to low galaxy or high solar system