Why Naruto VS Luffy Isn’t Close
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This topic is genuinely so lame and boring but ya know what I think I’m pretty charismatic so I’m just gonna lay down all the scaling and the best interpretations for said scaling, and come to the objective conclusion of this debate. Just want to say I’d you think Luffy or Naruto are unironically universal or higher, I highly recommend a gym membership and a bar of soap. Now with that out the way, let’s discuss these two goats and where they stack in comparison to one another. The last time I did scaling regarding Naruto and one piece I talked about Naruto first so I’ll just start off with Luffy. Naruto Uzumaki is a shinobi of Konohagakure's Uzumaki clan. He became the jinchūriki of the Nine-Tails on the day of his birth a fate that caused him to be shunned by most of Konoha throughout his childhood. After joining Team Kakashi, Naruto worked hard to gain the village's acknowledgement all the while chasing his dream to become Hokage. In the following years, through many hardships and ordeals, he became a capable ninja, regarded as a hero both by the villagers, and soon after, the rest of the world, becoming known as the Hero of the Hidden Leaf. He soon proved to be one of the main factors in winning the Fourth Shinobi World War, leading him to achieve his dream and become the village's Seventh Hokage. Monkey D. Luffy, also known as "Straw Hat Luffy" and commonly as "Straw Hat", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He is the founder and captain of the increasingly infamous and powerful Straw Hat Pirates, as well as the most powerful of its top fighters. He desires to find the legendary treasure left behind by the late Gol D. Roger and thereby become the Pirate King, which would help facilitate an unknown dream of his that he has told only to Shanks, his brothers and crew. He believes that being the Pirate King means having the most freedom in the world. Naruto is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto. It tells the story of Naruto Uzumaki, a young ninja who seeks recognition from his peers and dreams of becoming the Hokage, the leader of his village. The story is told in two parts - the first set in Naruto's pre-teen years, and the second in his teens. The series is based on two one-shot manga by Kishimoto: Karakuri (1995), which earned Kishimoto an honorable mention in Shueisha's monthly Hop Step Award the following year, and Naruto (1997). One Piece is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Eiichiro Oda. It has been serialized in Shueisha's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Jump since July 1997, with its individual chapters compiled into 104 tankōbon volumes as of November 2022. The story follows the adventures of Monkey D. Luffy, a boy whose body gained the properties of rubber after unintentionally eating a Devil Fruit. With his pirate crew, the Straw Hat Pirates, Luffy explores the Grand Line in search of the deceased King of the Pirates Gol D. Roger's ultimate treasure known as the "One Piece" in order to become the next King of the Pirates.
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Boruto victim
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the way advanced coc and ryou work wud kill naruto even if he has regen coz he has no internal durability
"but baryon mode has a time limit"
Are you suggesting luffy is capable of outlasting that time limit?
luffy can run for 3 minutes it has a 3 minute time limit and naruto can fky and cant use chakra based ablities debunked
@@Hyp3rsofast naruto is faster he speedblitzes and one shots
@@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv luffy is way faster then Naruto kizaru is faster then Naruto yo ass off that shit keeping believing that bs luffy is a cartoon character everything Naruto throws at luffy that shit gone turn into rubber
@@Hyp3rsofast WTF
Naruto Doesn't even need Baryon mode to begin with, that would be overkill.
Naruto wouldnt even need baryon mode. Sasuke states in a novel that takes place after shippuden that he could solo Kaguya level threats meaning he’s stronger than a being that could be highballed to sub relative to solar system level and naruto is even stronger than sasuke. Naruto also blitzes ten tails madara who was faster than MFTL+ and Naruto’s ability to sense threats before they even launch attacks is so advanced that he’s able to predict attacks from beings outside of his own dimension (madaras limbo clones) so I would assume naruto end of shippuden would be enough to beat gear 5 luffy and naruto from the last movie, adult naruto, and baryon mode would all be overkill (fan of both btw, I just think Naruto has better feats as a result of shippuden being finished and one piece still getting to its climax)
Wait how was Madara MFTL+? His fastest attack was the light fang which was only lightspeed, so I'm confused.
@@ricksterre if The raikage and killer bees lariat is sub relativistic to light (killer B is only in 2 tails form when doing this attack so with more tails there is more of a speed amp) and A is faster than killer Bs top speed you can assume A is light speed at a bare minimum. Naruto in KCM1 is calculated to be 72 times faster than that raikage A (bare minimum 72 times faster than light) and then naruto gets another amp from kcm2 and another amp from stacking toad sage mode on it so naruto in kcm2 is probably 100s of times faster than light and edo tensei madara was deflecting his attacks casually. Add a ten tails amp and madara is a beast in terms of speed and power. Also Kizaru is a light person but through training became faster than base light so madara using sage light fang which is a light attack amped by sage of six paths chakra is probably not just light speed and is actually much faster. Unless we want to say haku from the zabuza arc is the pinnacle of speed in the verse madara is MFTL+. (Also data books saying itachi in part one had attacks he shot at Kakashi at light speed and kakahshi in part one reacted to them and then a much stronger kakashi was helpless in front of base madara let alone 10 tails madara).
@@ricksterre it’s a long winded response Ik lol but I think it’s interesting feats in the verse that shouldn’t be overlooked
@@Musmus-vo6dk you said that light fang is not just lightspeed when it's confirmed to just be lightspeed, which makes KCM1 calc a MAJOR outlier especially since raikage and KCM1 were evenly matched and naruto dodged one attack
@@Musmus-vo6dk and SOSP teen is only calced at 2x FTL so there's hella inconsistencies here
OP fans defense arguments thus far:
1. "Luffy is not at his prime yet"
2. "OP has better writing either way"
3. "Luffy has toon force" (That's it, that was their entire defense)
Those are the defenses of people who can't scale and can't back up their words or just naruto fans.
And this tylearned vid was pretty bad not just because i disagree with it but because he doesn't really back up his words and ignores some of luffys better feats
Bro the first defense is literally the most reasonable one 😂. What I hate is guys scale naruto at HIS PEAK which is SO6P . That form is built different . EOS luffy isn't here yet so before you go like oh naruto solos the verse blah blah blah 😑 wait until EOS luffy then speak your words
1. they said rinnegan has pre cog which is false
2. they said kurama can turn the world to ash which has been debunked many times
3. they treated the conq and arament dura neg the same as the truth ord dura neg which its not the same (orbs destroy the body breaking past physical defenses while haki moves past the body while still damaging it but mainly destroys the inside of their body.
4. their speed scaling was overhyped and their strength scaling was from the false kurama statement meaning bro isnt exactly over kaido till the baryon mode
5. they made the sad sap mistake of making two very very different power systems the same when chakra and ki are not similar to haki with chakra being almost like a life force while haki is pure willpower
6. Coming from number 5 i can say that yes the "Luffy has toon force" is indeed valid because naruto cannot negate it
7. Last one to let you off easy is that most of naruto's rasengan techniques cant get past armament besides his elemental ones "pretty cool right?"
@idktruly9985 Wow, you just dismissed all of Naruto's scalings while jerking the fuck out of Luffy's what a great argument 👏
@@idktruly9985respect brother 😤
Arlong with his Blue Haki solos both blindfolded
Ramen Guy will clash with him
Fuck is you on bro? Ramen guy solos
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Fax
Ramen guy solos them all
This topic is weird. We've seen Naruto up to adulthood but we've only seen a teenaged Luffy and I have no idea if he'll et stronger at the end.
In theory, yes.
Kid naruto claps luffy since kid naruto is mftl.
how tf is kid naruto mftl @@SnockLock 💀
teen naruto was below the Raikage in speed how wasnt even SOL@@SnockLock
@@Titan-1104 "First to get one thing accross before we scale naruto characters the raikage isnt light speed level it never said he was, it said he was like light speed. This is a metaphor comparing the raikage to the maxium in speed to our realilty. This means raikage is really fast.
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Naruto doesn’t even need baryon mode
Fr sagemode is debatable
Sagemode just making him powerful, pretime skip Zoro casually lifting buildings how about his captain? Current Luffy can see the future, reflect the attack, and can make his powerpunch 100x due to his haki. Gear5 Luffy is overkill, it's like 8th gate guy without time limit.
@@Dan-xk3oqone piece scaling is horrible they can go from kid naruto level to six paths mode
@@Dan-xk3oqseeing the future with haki? That's weaker version of sharingan.
@@Dan-xk3oq sage mode was enough to defeat 3rd raikage who was strong enough to stalemate 8-tail. That's a country level beast. Lmao
This fight is like Naruto going up against a bowl of ramen rubber noodles.
So on his death because he shouldn't eat rubber.
Yea sure, and Naruto just Rasengans the rubber noodles
EXCELLENT WORK. TYLEARN NARUTO VS ONE-PIECE
@@user-it1cc2mi1n yea sure then the sharengan will turn into rubber
as a one piece fan, luffy does unfortunately lose. However, it's still so painful to see my boy get shat on like this and in the comments 😭
Im suprised yall didnt mention that both juubidara and juubito both planned to use infinite tsukuyomi (juubidara did and did it so casually) AND 6 paths mokuton (growing a god tree and spreading its roots throigh the entire planet). Both of these attacks are casuallly planetary level.
infinite tsukuyomi is a genjutsu and roots don't destroy a planet
@EricDeLaMoraDeSantiago That wasn't even an argument lol. Both techniques still affected the entire planet, so it proves that Juubito and Juubidara have planetary range. Whether they choose to use DC based attacks to destroy it or not was upto them. However that wasn't their goal.
@@infinitesession5439well it seems like you didn't understand what he's trying to say, every living things in the Naruto Verse have Chakra which affected all living things in the planet and get casted into the Infinite tsukuyomi which is an op illusion, any Genjutsu messes up with Chakra thats why it can only affect Chakra user which are all living things in Naruto Verse
@akumayuu8726 No. It still regardless of what you say planetary range. It affects the entire planet by shining the moon's light and casting genjutsu on everyone. Even then Shinju mokuton also still spreads throughout the entire planet as well. Both have planetary range. It's not about chakra here it's about range. Even if you want just talk about it due to being a jutsu that affects chakra they are still both techniques that very blatantly spread throughout the entire planet. Thus making it planetary level.
@@infinitesession5439 yes planetary range, if the living things have Chakra, which are "all" the living things in Naruto Universe, no matter what you say it can only affect with any living things that have "Chakra". So everything that have "Chakra", which is every living things in Naruto Universe. Do you get it?
Another thing that people forget is that chakra is a spiritual power source, so anything about advance haki affecting anything about people’s spirits wouldnt work on naruto either
That means genjutustu wouldn't work on haki masters which is why i don't believe one piece characters are not weak to genjutustu as genjutustu only works on chakra and incase of verse equalization that chakra and haki then both become spiritual powers meaning it wouldn't work anyway
@@animeuploader4992 although your English was a bit broken/ hard to understand I do agree with basically most of your points, genjutsu prob wouldn’t work on luffy either but naruto doesn’t have any genjutsu anyways so I dont think it needs to be taken into consideration
Haki is willpower not spiritual energy i dont know why they just straight up lied in the video
@@Mr_Lucas oh really?
@@Mr_Lucas people always tell me that the advanced haki luffy be using can attack your spirit or sum shit
Why are we even still having this conversation? The moment luffy beats someone with the power to destroy a planet is the day we can have this conversation. Simply put luffy doesn’t have the fire power to match naruto. And he’s certainly not beating a ninja tactically.
That fake ass toon force could never beat Naruto, a rasenshuriken would shred Luffy into erasers I can't imagine Naruto having to use Baryon mode.
I have Luffy at Multi Continental and Teen Naruto first use of KCM2 is planetary. This aint a fighr
Take a shower
@@wheresthefreefood336your in on a naruto vs Luffy video you can’t say shit
@@wheresthefreefood336 take a shower over a simple scaling? tell the the one who made a whole video on it to take one 😂
Does it matter. It is like saying "kaido won the first times because he is an adult..."
@@extre_ME ok, you have a point-
I love Luffy, but he cannot stack upto Naruto in scaling.
He definitely can Naruto is strong but luffy has toon force anything is possible with luffy powers luffy taking the w
@@moesavage1825no
You'll find out soon enough, he can
@@moesavage1825"Anything" Bro barely beated kaido and tapped out after beating kizaru. He still didn't become pirate king and he still can't revive ace. Gear clearly can't do anything. If you really think he can do anything, you must be reading two piece.
@@kamitaku4548 yeah in Naruto got stabbed by a kid with a kunai Naruto all most died when mono was trying to take his power yeah good point now kurama is gone shii I’ll be mad to 😂
I haven’t watched one of this guy video for at least 2 or 3 years and I came back at a good time
Honestly People Overrate Luffy SO MUCH
Edit: ive never read or seen Naruto so i cant really say anything about overrating him.
no he simply is stronger than you think
@@KyonariNo he's overrated. Especially when he got Gear 5.
@@generalmituna7042 true
@@Kyonari cap
One piece was never really focused on strength so the only argument for overrating luffy was toon force
It’s Naruto people need to stop overrating as that’s been going on for years
Overall I agree with almost everything, the only thing I find annoying is that people say that every magic system is basically the same, like no, haki isn't chakra which isn't nen which isnt ect.
Fr like haki is just three types of power up’s obscerstion arment and conquer while chakra is the very base of all ability’s
W
It is
It’s for verse equalization. If you wanna use haki as an excuse then I could say luffy get hit with a genjutsu and it’s GG. If you use verse equalization then you can say if luffy is under a genjustu his conqueror’s haki will break him out of it. You understand?
@nicolasa4life I wanna preface that I fully believe naruto still scales above luffy, but I think that haki scales closer to something between chakra and sage mode chakra. But even in that case it's not relevant as naruto is a perfect sage which would equate to something in the same vein as any of the advanced applications of haki.
First though tis Naruto slams. It will be like a speeding bullet going against a tank
U need to change that dp bruh ngl
@@xebec995 I kinda do but I still find that era was jjk at its funniest
@@True_ElJeffe ill agree the memes were funny af
@@True_ElJeffe sleepykuna will always be my favourite.
@@Lord_Bepogo/jo's "throughout heavens but not the earth i am alone the divided one" goes hard too tho
I'll admit Naruto at his peak beats Luffy but if we put current Naruto vs current Luffy, Luffy wins .
Base naruto is enough. He is millions of times faster then light.
@@SnockLock luffy is a hundred million times faster than light
@@maxmoon4138 Cap luffy just got faster then light by blitz light fruit user.
@@maxmoon4138 My calcs put kcm minato at 2,484,000 faster then light, adult naruto easily beats that by millions.
Ok so to shut down this statement base naruto at half power was able to box with fused momoskiki who is at solar system level of power Luffy at his peak is nowhere close to that🤧
luffy does have a time limit but he can push himself to use it again like he did against kaido
people can't be honest for once sadly bro.
@@strawhatobi4845 wym?
But naruto can drastically reduce that time limit
For example ishiki had only three hours to live or around that time but naruto took it down to minutes very quickly will looking like he was holding back so I definitely believe he would cut luffy time down a lot if Baryon mode was to be used
@@saturouyi7323 well in recent chapters in one piece luffy has been taking on the five elders who don't take damage, luffy wasn't able to hurt them but he has been able to hold his own plus naruto has to get close to luffy while luffy will do some none sense like trying to eat naruto or use him as a jump rope.
luffy grabbed kizaru and saturn and slammed them both into each other and tossed them in the ocean while kizaru is fast as light, in luffy's eyes he imagines however he wants to fight and tenically baryon mode can't fight luffy if luffy is free cuz gear 5 lets him fight as free as he wants
@@saturouyi7323 the concept of how shiki powers work and how gear 5 works are completely different Isshiki was already dead and using life force to substain himself naruto thereby was stronger than him thereby making him to over use that very life force mean while gear 5 time limit is based on Luffy endurance unlike gear 4 the side effect isnt really problematic and he recovers stamina to turn to it d moment he eats so as long as there is food around he can keep turning to the form
If haki can allow you to attack spirits ,,, why can’t anyone in one piece hurt perona?
@animationstudiosa guess well see, that would make her fruit useless though lmao which I doubt oda would do
@@Sociallybeast01ur logic actually makes 0 sense 💀and haki will one hundred percent be able to deal with perona. why are you basing ur reasoning with head cannon
@@VTulad yours is headcanon not mine…. There’s literally no proof that it would . Narratively or literally. So YOU assuming it would is complete headcanon 😂 how the tables turn
law nullified a freaking desease with haki and the same for jinbei against big mom's soul ability, what is a ghost in front of haki ?
@@bossOROS lmfao that’s not how big moms devil fruit works at all . And I have no idea why you brought up law at all as he has nothing to due with an intangible ghost 😂
Scaling luffy to planet level is wild. Fans were impressed when then end boss used an ancient weapon destroy an island. Apparently luffy could destroy a planet
@user-mb5cv6bx6c just state yes or no. Is luffy planet level?
@user-mb5cv6bx6c so is kaido also planet level?
@user-mb5cv6bx6cpure headcannon. there are limits to "toon force" cause luffy doesnt have popeyes level scaling. there are limits to his reality warping. you can't just say he has no limits when he does reality warping when reality warping can also be scaled as well.
i dont care about who wins but the haki blooming is going to be insane
lol imagine if naruto trained luffy
@@Dilllonmthey gonna spend all their time eating meat or ramen 💀
Wow, this is beautiful. Finally, someone who speaks the truth even if people are going to be mad. Hopefully, more people can stand up to bs like this in the anime community 🖤 great video
The truth? 😂😂😂
@Packirup1234 this is Naruto in his prime, why is it so hard to understand that luffy is still a growing character far from his prime ...who know luffy probably got like 2 more power up to go
@@eternalnove4127 I get that
But like the way u say truth is kinda funny in this situation considering that scaling characters is more subjective than objective
Actually it’s up to the writers who would win not the Naruto stans
You cant really debate to be honest luffy is 19 and naruto is 33.. also luffy prob could do some damage at least.
People are delusional to think luffy can even scratch naruto💀
Very good video man 🙏
OP fans are obviously crying in the comments because someone cannot accept the truth 😂
op fans rn "domain expansion, infinite copium"
Naruto is island lvl and luffy can probably destroy a city so naruto wins but how do yall think they destroy planet do yall even know how big an island or a city is
@@The_moon88 naruto is low planet and luffy is multi continental
@@The_moon88No, if we don't take the statements about them being able to destroy the planet literally, then Gear 5 would still be moon level and KCM2 Sage Mode would still be small planet level, and then SO6P would still be star level and and in Boruto would be straight up solar level
@@billybob4532nigga can NOT destroy a solar system
One piece fans are just impossible to debate with. Their defenses are “Luffy has future sight” “naruto doesn’t have chakra” and “Luffy has toon force” but don’t support their claims lol
Man Luffy MURKS Naruto
Nah JK
You've never seen genjutsu fans
We can support our claims y’all just can’t accept them
My opinion is that current Luffy would be beaten by current Naruto but end of series Luffy will beat end of series Naruto
I'm wondering why tylearned is not screaming as loud as before.
If we do a background check we can see that Naruto is the grandson of a literal god while luffy is just an average child that ate a fruit
he became a god nika shit head
luffy literally ate the "SUN GOD FRUIT" and naruto being the reincarnation of a god didnt amp up his stats or anything like that
@@Ani_V2 How on Earth can a guy who still struggles to beat humans face a guy who can kill literal Gods????
@@pragatiganeriwala1895 fuck man if your right naruto is an uzumaki after all one of the strongest clans
Those braindead ones that say luffy beats naruto😂 think about how much he struggled vs kaido even in this hyped new form😂 now picture Naruto vs kaido.. it isn't close .. even base form would be enough a rasenshuriken took down kakuzu I'm sure it will destroy kaido
So the only thing I have against this argument is the form time limits. With luffy, his time limit is kinda more like an exhaustion meter that will rise again after a certain amount of time(we don't know how long). As for Naruto, the time limit on baryon mode is an actual time limit to a debuff or potention death. It was stated by Kurama, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the baryon mode will smash their two Chakra together creating a new type of power but that Chakra that is being fused is destroyed entirely. Once Narutos time limit runs out we saw that he was unconscious and then Kurama died. Now I'm not saying luffy wins just bcuz of that, but to bring up their time limits without putting the context of those limits is just disingenuous. Thank you.
also to further the fishiness of this vid, They try comparing precog to ACTUALLY seeing the future and on top of that Ty tries to deflect the fact naruto has nothing for dura neg. He talks about the truth seeking orbs but I have yet to see anyone in naruto defend against them which only further proves the fact that naruto characters are less durable that OP ones. Not to mention that truth seeking orbs only attack chakra which are in the cells of every naruto character so can we really say its dura neg, but I'll let that slide due to it being too complicated.
@@rowmein1. Truth seeking orbs don’t target chakra they are all nature chakras mixed together INCLUDING particle which destroys matter as well as destroying the soul if touched without sage energy(Spoiler Luffy doesn’t have this).
2. He has had multiple run ins with internal dura neg including organ destruction such 64 palms from Planet-Star buster Momoshiki or even Sasukes chidori puncturing THROUGH his lung and him healing it in seconds with just the 9 tails influence(no tails so imagine access to all of its power).
3. Naruto’s frog Sage mode attacks internals without needing to touch them and even if you believe you dodged it, it will still strike you internally. As well as injecting nature energy into people to turn them to stone
4. Naruto’s precog allows him to sense emotions and get a full scope of a battlefield from entire countries away as well as sensing clones and Sasuke from ENTIRE DIMENSIONS away. Future sight is a nonfactor especially if caught fighting 1000+ Naruto’s from his blind spots (which he did against Kaguya with precog AND 360 degree vision). Same thing Kizaru did to Luffy with light clones. Luffy won’t know which one is the real Naruto and catch Lava style rasengan from 300+ different angles.
@@rowmeinNaruto has tanked dura neg before, in base, with half of his chakra, against a far stronger opponent then luffy.. pls stop
@@rowmein absolutely agree, those tsb's are a bit too complicated, at least for me. And the sharingan is definitely not a true precognition ability, what it does is give the user greater visual acuity that let's them predict there muscle movements. Whereas adv. observation is literal precog.
I see your point
But even after the time limit naruto way stand after sometime as he had some chakra left which is not entirely destroyed
And one of the reason naruto was unconscious was to first kurama a good bye and second is cuz isshiki stomp on his stomach very hard
As a one piece fan I will and have always agreed that Naruto could beat luffy, his feats and powers are way stronger than Luffy’s. But as a show I personally like one piece (doesn’t mean I dislike Naruto)
The only thing I don't agree with is the nine tails buff is a multiplier because it has a limited pool of chakra. If it was a multiplier, it would basically have infinite power because no matter how strong naruto gets the nine tails will always be stronger than him
thats kind of the point of naruto being an uzumaki, in which i think minato knew it would be the perfect thing to cancel each other out. its limited yes, but with kurama constantly feeding off naruto's big massive chakra reserves as an Uzumaki, and naruto proceeding to use that said energy to buff himself, it would theoretically, be an infinite buff.
Naruto fought God with kurama
Cuz Having half the Kurama is different from having the Full Kurama + It was also a result of the Training he did in those 6-7 years between Shippuden & Boruto
U probably think the 8th gates ain't a buff multiplier either
It does. That is why kurama goes on concentrating sage mode collecting chakra. When they need more power
Hear me out, Obito solos all of one piece
Luffy has toon force so obito is screwed
@user-uu3ec9zp2k no he aint, luffy only has pretty low level toonforce, and cant bypass or get out of kamui, neither can he beat the rinnegan abilities or juubito depending on which form of obito we're talking abt
I think obito survives egghead because the elders are legit immortal
@@JKT213kamui pretty much negates toonforce. How can he change something intangible into rubber 😂 can’t happen
Itachi with sickness soloes. Obito wouldn't even care for these fodder lol.
Finally a Tylearn video without bias
As a big fan of both I'd say it'd end up in a tie bc they'd just become best friends as seen on a one piece manga cover
Tylearned can you do this one last time when one piece ends
I know you don't take it super seriously but I just wanted to say the "OP is star level because if we pixel scale this one random not even to scale diagram of the OP world, we can say the world is as large as a star" argument always sends me because it's like easily the biggest crock of shit ever.
It took the SHs roughly 3-4 months of casual sailing to almost completely transverse Paradise, while stopping for days on end at a handful of islands on the way. The length of Paradise being almost half of the entire OP world's circumference.
Unless these ships are sailing along the water at like almost 50-100 times faster than our known ships or something (which isn't at all how they're depicted), then there's no way they're covering half the distance around a star in that amount of time.
now i aimt saying luffy wining but he doesnt have that much “toon force” he can manifest imagination and transport into reality, the only reason his attacks are more weaker or rubber based is because he still believes hes just a rubber man/ doesnt know that he has that ability, luffy is still growing and i thought your point is correct but yeah idk
I like that you have Tony Tony chopper as your pfp 🔥
People putting these characters in solar system and star level is always the funniest shit ever, power scalers are cringe af
Did you just skip the entirety of the Kazuya arc naruto the last and momoshikis existence?
@@thouken5777 I stand by what I said
@@rryyddeerr and what you said by default is stupid
@@thouken5777 uh, okay LOL
@@rryyddeerr ruclips.net/video/At7KQzcVM5Y/видео.htmlsi=3o_ZfTrOJsmyhXuN
This clip live in your head rent free?
Man said future seeing seconds into the future is the same as sharingan precog. Even though naruto is get piece up by those with sharingan because of that precog and needs kurama or sage mode to even the odds we see that in final fight. That's like saying future sight and Almighty is the same cause both sees in the future even though that's more true than what you said. Sharingan can't not save you from a surprise invisible attack with no warning Future sight can and can also tell you the amount of damge a character is going to do seen with shanks and kidd
The shanks vs kidd thing was a dc attack that's why also Naruto has cosmic awareness and sage mode anyways it litterally doesn't matter
@@anonymous-pe8wg how does he have cosmic awareness??? 😂
@@silvertongue.242_99cause this guy right here knows. He wrote Naruto he just never put it in the manga or anime. But he does have it tho 👍🏾
@@silvertongue.242_99show us how you cry more please. I love seeing one piece fangirls crying 😊
@@ShaqKhiElvie You do know Naruto and Sasuke can sense each other in other dimensions. Even Otsusuki can do that. They fealt Naruto's chakra from an entirely different dimension, multiple star systems away.
Luffy vs Nauruto isn't close because Nauruto wins...
But Katakuri vs Nauruto isn't close due to future sight negging everything 💀💀💀
That don't make sense as luffy is not only much faster but also has future sight
that literally doesnt make sense luffys future sight is better now lol
@@xHollow. Nuh uh
did he make a Video saying that or something?
He’s talking about how katakuri gets overrated by the one piece community
White beard star level ? Lmfao bro be fucking FR😂😂😂😂😂
Whiteboard ain't star level lol tf
Nah luffy beats Naruto stay mad RUclipsr
2 likes in 6 months…yea I’ll take your word for it 😂😂😂😂
@@waveunleashed9585 lmao you actually took the time to look thru all the comment just to shit talk mine? You’ve got issues lol
@@TornadoYtCodm I guess yours was first due to the low engagement and agreement 😕
How
Rly appreciate how concise ur vids are. No bs just straight to the point. Can't wait for more.
One interesting that I found is that majority of the characters in Naruto have the capability to move faster than light due to the technique: Shunshin no Jutsu which allows a shinobi to instantly travel from one location to another in the blink of an eye, short or long distances, in a manner that is not teleportation. It's the one they all use that's drawn with the black lines as they speed away. Anybody of chuunin level of power and above knows this technique. Please bare in mind this is for interests sake and not a debate point or anything.
Huge downplay of Future Sight. It was literally the central point of an arc for luffy to overcome this ability. As well as it taking Kaido from being too slow to dodge a jet culverin to being able fully dodge a snakeman hydra.
Shanks vs Kidd is a good example of how this fight would go 😅
Naruto is beating people up with the Sharingan and Rinnegan and those have pretty much future sight. They even mentioned it in the video btw
Shanks is Naruto and kidd is Luffy alright fair enough😂
@@SajayyzEustass Kidd getting dragged through the mud
@@kronek99ARE YOU STUPID? Where in naruto manga was shown or stated that sharingon basically has future sight? Can you hear the future with the sharingon? Sharingon is more close to being compared to basics of observation haki. You're not stupid you just don't understand what you are reading in naruto. I'm not even gonna ask if you watch or read one piece because clearly.... 😂😂😂
Yea you are right luffy is kid and naruto is shanks
I am pleasantly surprised that you actually had Naruto win considering how earlier videos went with it seeming to be closer and put into question, and given your past with One Piece vs Naruto topics I disagreed with so I’m glad to see this video was quite reasonable.
Good job both of you, you laid out the facts and explained it very straightforward, it was well done and I enjoyed the banter.
Honestly Luffy vs Saitama is more of a fight and one that Luffy could possibly win maybe if you don’t wank Saitama to the imaginary “space hole” “feat” then both are planet to star at best, both are way above FTL tho must tempter the high ends for both, and honestly Luffy’s soul haxs might help him edge out along with his weird abilities idk it’s worth a try ngl
Personally I don’t care for Naruto vs Luffy or Luffy vs Saitama, idk what better match ups for them there are but they are popular due to fandom wars so might as well do it for the views.
You can't really disagree with any of his takes as no one I've ever seen knows how to powerscale nearly as much so you're just being a fanboy
ait you think Luffy beats Saitama? this is new but nah Luffy gets slammed just like Naruto would get slammed by Saitama he is a beast
@@Kyonaribut his punches won't affect him he is made of rubber
@@KyonariI feel like it would be draw Saitama can't damage him and Luffy can't even Damage him at
@@fanboy7181 Can goku kill luffy with a punch? if yes saitama can/
People are talking about how Luffy is only a teenager but Naruto is an adult. This doesn’t make any sense though because Naruto as a teenager would still body Luffy and had relatively the same abilities as he did when he was a teenager (minus baryon mode because Naruto wouldn’t even need it)
no way they compared precog to actually seeing the future💀then sped past that and said haki and chakra are the same thing just to push an agenda about naruto being able to negate most luffy's toon force with enough "power". Idk if we were reading/watching the same g5 fight but kaido was definitely still feeling that toon force even nearing the end of the fight where he was taking it completely seriously. I like your vids Ty but if i see something fishy im gonna call it out
if luffy cant overpower someone with similar AP to him with toonforce, then how could he do it to naruto who has much higher AP? its not even about chakra and haki, its literally just power as they said
@@auz6446 he actually did overpower someone with more ap than him, that man being kaido. We literally see this at the final part of the g5 fight when luffy uses bajrang gun and smashes kaido through the earths crust and into lava. And the point you just tried to make is invalid due to Ty literally comparing chakra to haki then saying right after that he could over power g5 with said chakra, that being his power. Not only that even before the final section of luffy's fight against kaido we watch luffy's toonforce effect kaido during the whole exchange which was the whole point of the fight in the first place TO SEE THE EFFECTS OF G5. But you all are trying to use dragonball logic in this battle (that being if you're stronger than someone you can effectively ignore your opponents hax) when we see nothing like this in naruto at all.
yes kaido EVENTUALLY got overpowered but kaido and naruto are two very different opponents with one of them being dozens if not hundreds of times stronger. if it took luffy that long to overpower kaido, with kaido constantly tanking luffy's toonforce and even dealing damage to luffy multiple times, then how do you think someone who is MUCH stronger and more durable would fair against luffy's toonforce? and your last point is incredibly invalid. hax are constantly negated in naruto, completely overpowered hax. amaterasu, genjutsu, rinnegan abilities, haku's mirrors, narutos rasenshuriken, even jutsu that brings people back from the dead becomes negated through sheer power or more powerful hax@@rowmein
@@rowmein he compares chakra to ki because of 2 things,1) in crossverse battles you do verse equalization and 2) chakra and haki are very similair both are spiritual energys
@@haydenguy8031no there not haki is will power it can effect the person spirit chakra not only has never able to negate hax so we just adding things at that
It is laughable that people actually think Luffy can beat Naruto. Like hell no, Naruto speedblitzes and slams him so hard with a rasengan this shouldn't even be a debate lmao
low iq narutard he gets oneshot by his fox dying lmao😂
I asked chatgbt who is stronger and it said: If I had to choose based on their abilities and feats within their respective series, I would lean towards Naruto being stronger overall. His mastery of various powerful techniques, including Sage Mode, Six Paths Sage Mode, and his control over the tailed beasts, gives him a diverse range of abilities and immense chakra reserves. Additionally, Naruto has faced and defeated opponents of tremendous power, such as Kaguya Otsutsuki and Madara Uchiha, showcasing his strength and resilience. However, it's important to note that both Naruto and Luffy are incredibly strong in their own right, and the question of who is stronger is ultimately subjective.
Talk about speaking 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 also, SO6P is better than Baryon Mode
Yeah baryon is completely useless
yep Baryon mode is garbage level
Yea man im ngl this one was one of the worst ones on your catalog. Not because you said Naruto wins, this debate has been over in my head for months. Idc who you say wins as long as you're fair about it. But you were the exact opposite of fair. Ill name what i think was bs. There's a very small TLDR in bold at the start of every point of mine of what i think was bs. You can just read those if you dont wanna read 6 walls of text.
*Point #1 Dura neg downplay*
Ignoring the dura neg reasoning OP fans bring up against Naruto by saying Naruto has tanked a truth seeking orb which is not the same thing, as TSO have their own caveats. A big one that Naruto fans seems to miss is that its not just straight up deleting everything it touches. TSO in reality nullify ninjutsu. This is the reason you see them "delete things they touch" such as Minatos arm or hiruzen's shoulder, its essentially deleting the reanimation jutsu that was tying him together not just deleting his arm even in the afterlife. There's so many inconsistencies with claiming it just deletes everything it touches as well within the series such as many characters just straight up dying if it worked that way. One of them being Sakura who legit was impaled yet wasn't deleted or when Naruto legit kicked one like a damn soccer ball.
It was also stated by Might Guy that in the Naruto verse their insides are actually extremely vulnerable, they have no protection on their insides and that if anything were to bypass their external defenses in which they fully rely on they'd be in serious trouble. Naruto characters heavily rely on their external durability and abilities to protect themselves. This is why Advanced Armament Haki and Advanced Conquerors haki would be a MASSIVE problem. They aren't like Kaido where he can just tank dura neg attacks straight to the heart. Their insides are still very much human.
*Point #2 Downplaying Future Sight*
You said the Sharingan and the Rinnegans precog is basically Future sight which simply isn't true. The way their precog works isn't just getting a detailed vision of future events like Advanced Observation haki. And especially not with its duration, Future sight we've seen work for up to even a dozen seconds. In the explanation for the Sharingans precog we get to literally see how its precog works and it literally just shows like the next punch or the next couple steps the opponent is going to take. The Sharingan is honestly more comparable to Basic Observation Haki than to its Advanced application of it.
*Point #3 Blatant favorability towards one sides statements*
When Sengoku says WB can destroy the world its a highball and you're just doing it to shut the fans up. When Naruto says he can destroy the world its an obvious fact and they obviously scale X times higher than that.
Funny thing is as well that the Naruto statement is FAR less credible in literally every aspect yet its treated like its fact. The Naruto databook *TITLES* i must emphasize this because there's a clear difference between the Naruto databook *TITLES* and their descriptions which actually work to inform the reader on the moves. Now that we've made that distinction lets move on, Naruto databook titles are famously known for their BS and wrong information that serves to just hype the reader up. We've had titles such as Madara's fire annihilation saying that it oneshots everything and that there's "no arguing about it". We've had titles saying that Temari is universal. We've had titles saying Ino's mind transfer is just straight up undodgeable which is funny considering how she spends the entire series meticulously trying to set up and land this move. We've had titles saying that some random side character has the will of the gods. We've had titles saying that an otsuki had a planetary attack......that some side character tanked, yea, that was planetary apparently. Its clear that these titles are hype bait yet you use it freely and casually stating its fact.
Now onto WB's statement......What's the reason for it being a hyperbole? There's literally no reason to claim that it is, Sengoku has no reason to hype up an enemy, it makes much more sense that it was a warning for his men. Sengoku has known WB his entire life and has been fighting him for literal decades. Sengoku was renown in the world for being extremely intelligent and an amazing tactician meaning that he of all people should know how necessary morale is for a war. The only people claiming its an exaggeration are biased people who dont wanna believe what they're hearing since they think the verse is weak and someone being planetary - star level is unfathomable. And again apparently this was the highball statement said to appease to the fans and not the turn the world to ash one with literally reads like a hyperbole and is in a section of the databook specifically for hype.......Yea ok man.
*Point #4 Bad assumptions and scaling.*
Implying the ETSO and its AP would upscale others because they were then beating her and damaging her. Forgetting her ETSO was specifically stated to only had been possible due to external factors in a databook description meaning it cant be taken into account during scalings as its not just her own power. The ETSO is not a normal move in her kit and even if it was doesn't dictate her other moves AP that they were clashing with nor her durability. This is essentially like trying to upscale characters using Nightmare Luffy.
Another implication that Momoshiki because he was absorbing chakra from her dimension now was in any way comparable to Kaguya herself and that Naruto pressing Momoshiki is a super impressive thing. Again ignoring how Momoshiki was in disbelief of even half of Kurama's Chakra. The same Kurama who looked like a baby when visualized to the incomplete ten tails chakra. The same ten tails who Madara absorbed and Naruto AND Sasuke claimed was nothing compared to Kaguya. Momoshiki is nowhere near that guy and Kaguya is still the strongest we've seen in the verse when speaking about pure power. This is backed up in the databooks as well when they said in one of the descriptions that Kaguya has moves so Chakra intensive that only her in the entire series could cast them. And this is all without me even bringing up how Momoshiki was getting bullied by a damn 12 year old and couldn't even punch through a THIN WALL of Gaara's sand......not even a thick one or one imbued with some magical defensive ability, just a thin wall of sand and he failed to get through it. Momoshiki is on literal fraud watch.
*Point #5 Treating Haki and Chakra as the same thing*
This is one of the worst ones by far. Chakra and Haki are nowhere near the same thing and are extremely important to distinguish in this fight as Haki is a crucial part of the OP verse that works to balance the world out, without Haki the world turns into a broken mess. You claimed that Kaido negated some of the toon force anyways because hes just that strong....Which isnt true at all. You then used that claim of strength negating abilities to completely dismiss Gear 5's abilities since "Naruto is far stronger". This is a HUGE oversight because Kaido actually negated it because of his better Haki not because hes just stronger. Chakra is not Haki it wouldn't negate anything at all. Naruto would be fully susceptible to Gear 5's powers which would lead to Gear 5 toying with Naruto even more than he did with Kaido. If Gear 5 was using Kaido as a jump rope who has stronger Haki than him, Luffy playing basketball with his Biju bombs is the least of Naruto's worries. Haki is not Chakra and you claiming it is shows blatant bias towards one side, either that or poor research.
*Point #6 Poor speed scalings*
Simplified both to just being near the same speed when in past videos where you actually spent the time to research the topics you came to the conclusion the Op verse is far FAR faster. And this should be basic common sense due to even early pretimeskip OP characters having Lightspeed feats better than even Naruto at the end of his series. OP characters speed is objectively far ahead of the Naruto verse. You claiming their both around the same level and explaining nothing just to make your case sound better is unfair and yet another showing of blatant bias.
There are *WAY* too many holes in this video for me to take your opinion even remotely seriously. Especially considering the clear bias in it as well that was shown within multiple sections of the video. Too many holes + Bias = Poor Scaling video.
Tf are you talking about speed breh kizaru is the only light speed in the op verse this shit ai made wtf
@@kill_urself Is that why Zoro dodged dozens of confirmed lightspeed attacks from Kuma in Thriller Bark and a laser? Is that why Luffy dodged 3 lasers and called them slow? Is that why Sanji is dodging lasers in Wano like they're nothing? Is that why Ichiji, one of Sanjis brothers is making lasers and is seen outspeeding his own lasers? Is that why Niji has an attack called lightspeed blade where he goes lightspeed?
Trying to go against lightspeed scaling in OP is one of the most easily disprovable takes possible. Bad take.
@@xdrago1051I'm just gonna answer Zoro since I'm lazy, Scaling this way is difficult and leads to inconsistencies. If Pre TS Zoro can move at Light speed like some have used this scene as evidence for then wouldn’t Kizaru get slower when he turns into light. When you have a prominent character whose power is literally light and it was explained you need to predict their movements and basically pre-react to them it’s safe to assume Kuma’s attacks don’t travel at the same speed if pre Ts Zoro can react to them
@@kill_urself Scaling OP is only inconsistent to those who dont research it well enough. I've got most of the verses scaling down pat both narrative and feats-wise.
Kuma literally said his attacks were lightspeed lmao. Idk what you want from me, Kuma said word for word "This is called the pad cannon, air is repelled at lightspeed". To which Zoro then dodged dozens of back to back.
Also no, you can train devilfruits to go way past their base limits. This was said in an SBS iirc. Just because Kizaru is light doesn't mean he's limited to just lightspeed.
Speaking mf facts!! Eveything you said, I've said in so many debates but most naruto fans either ignore it or just think I'm lying because they can't accept the fact I know more about their own series than they do.
Naruto is universal+, if you genuinely think Kaguyas dimension are only solar systems in 2024 you didnt read naruto.
IT DON'T MATTER, ICHIGO SOLOS 🗣🗣🗣‼️‼️‼️
(i like every mc in the big 3)
All are goats 🗿
@@Bepo_is_the_goat_of_goats There's only Goats in the big 3
Gear 5 stamina is honestly worse than Baron Mode's fight me 🤣🤣
5 minutes > 3 minutes
its not Baryon Mode has 3 minutes Gear 5 has at least 20 minutes
@@Kyonarihow???
Luffys Final clash with Kaido alone couldn't even have happened in under 3 minutes thats how @@TCSceptre
@@Kyonari can you prove this?? You seem to just be guessing 💀
It's almost 2024 and mfs still think Luffy beats Naruto
are we talking about peak power?
if not then naruto is not even touching luffy without seeing jiraya
(no kurama)
Did you not watch the video? They used gear 5 luffy and so6p naruto…
Baryon mode but yeah
@@Tylearnedthat mode last only 3 minutes top physical punches is not going to work on luffy there are different haki abilities bra
@@moesavage1825 so6p naruto still our scales 🤷♂️
@@moesavage1825Naruto Don't even Need Baryon Mode to beat Luffy lol
the way y'all highballed Naruto speed, if you did the same thing with luffy the speed gap would be so far it wouldn't be close.
Naruto's speed is not highball lol he's been FTL since kcm 1 in shippuden & MFTL+ in Boruto
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- yeah ik I'm saying fluffy was ftl pre time skip and u can argue ftl pre gear 2 which would even make him crazier faster.
@@mattabern4570post timeskip is agreeable but pre time skip is kinda bs
NOOO, I'm getting sick and tired seeing naruto fanboys, toasterDX misinterpreting naruto. Please tell me why would you use those title statements to scale naruto, when there are just nothing exaggeration. Why aren't you using the REAL information that are in the paragraphs? Bro the kurama can turn the world to ash thing isn't even mention or connect to the paragraph that is below it, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT KURAMA. Why are narutotards still using those statements. Stupid thing too is that they pick and choose. Sometimes the paragraphs mention how fast or powerful someone or something is and not use the title statement. The paragraphs in the data books give the actual information. Gosh you don't see that desperate stupidity for one piece scaling. Most of the information is stated in the manga or SBSs which is the author answers to questions. The one piece data books doesn't mention things that was never shown or backed up by the manga. 🤦♂️It would never end. Then people want to say luffy being planetary is being very generous. BRO Luffy pre time skip destroyed the riago which was SHOWN to destroy a sky island. This is a luffy before GEARS, haki and the 2 year training. Come on guys the one piece downplay has to end. Naruto does not stand a chance against luffy if you actually read both stories.
Just remember
Naruto fully in his peak
But luffy is still growing
Nope Naruto is not at his peak.... He probably gets a power up in boruto ....
nope naruto got bitch slap by his son so he not getting ambs @@cjmatrix7366
@@cjmatrix7366no he won’t bud he got nerfed he not getting any more power up’s
@@H1GH710you must not know how naruto works, bros gonna come back way stronger😭
@@4thysoul lol I know better than you if you think Naruto is getting power ups in a show about Baruto
There is a difference between ability and actual strength is like a bazooka launcher is tank level and why most naruto feat or scale of power are in sbs which are false some of the other time. Naruto cannot be on his base cause lufy feats are his actual strength inhamce by ability naruto can't fold an island with his innate physical strength.
Lol Naruto massively outscales Luffy even in strength downplay if it makes you feel better, characters like Madara or even Edo itachi already solos one piece when y'll have have absolutely nothing to say you conclude all Naruto's feats are fake like bro C'mon 😂
U said a bunch of nothing "Naruto can't fold an island" onoki legit carried islands with one hand but couldn't stop madaras meteor with 2 hands and then sage of six paths madara summons multiple meteors which Naruto destroys and Also tanked a moon splitting attack and defeated toneri who sent the moon out of orbit which is a large planetary plus feat or sasuke toying with kinshiki who split planets meanwhile luffys absolute peak can only put a hole in an island and don't mention his ap man's got knocked out by an explosion☠️
Bro used so much proof there is nothing to cry about anymore, ITS OVER NARUTO IS STRONGER!
The problem with scaling characters of off kagyuas dimensions is that we 1 don't know how long it took her to make them and 2 we don't have a good way to quantify their size, something being a star in a dimension doesn't mean its that big or anything, for all we know the stars and moons can be 20meters in diameter and it wouldn't really scale anyone anywhere impressive
Same could be said about that random white beard feat
@@Sajayyz wdym? Which feat? The statement? The one about him destroying the planet?
And 3: it's just hax
@@lore766I think hes talking about how we don't really know the size of the one piece world, but it has 20 million islands, so its reasonable to say that its as big or bigger than the earth.
@@TheKinglyWay yes but it can be quantified and that quantification will be used (depending on what ppl find more reasonably, me personally the 20 mill statement doesn't work unless we're using the average size of all the island we've seen thus far and even then its a stretch imo) but regardless we can and must measure it to have a feat just saying its planet size wouldn't cut here either
God, I love both of these characters man. Whenever i see this debate, i try not to let bias in the way for either. I usually either say "Luffy may win at the end of OP" or "They both have time limits so its a 50/50 if narutos in BM" and i usually say that SO6P could beat G5 luffy bc to me, its a stronger form than BM and G5. But again i love both of them, and dont want either to lose.
Baryon mode>>>SO6P
Naruto>>>>>chuffy
@Rajput_Hindu Baryon Mode has a time limit, and he can't use his best abilities in that mode. SO6P doesn't really have a time limit.
@@then3rdyn00b6 I agree. I have Naruto winning this fight in so6p but maybe not in baryon. To be honest, it doesn't matter because these two would never fight. They'd just be good friends.
Luffy has never fought a world class threat before and he's goofy as hell Naruto would definitely kill him Naruto has attacks that can completely destroy Luffy
If we’re going baryon form (3 mins time limit,can’t fly,can’t use his strongest abilities) is getting clapped but Sage Of Six Paths IMO it’s a 50/50
bro said baryon mode cant fly??? what???? also there's absolutely no implication that naruto can't use his other abilities in Baryon mode-
he CAN fly, so his 6 path powers are activated
@@dexthegamer3234 bro is too high on meth and Cocaine to realize the fact that everyone knows how dogshit baryon mode is for all we heard and saw he can’t fly and can’t use any abilities except rasengan and talk no jutsu sit down narutard
@@dexthegamer3234 and also the sun symbol on his palm is gone which means no PLOT ARMOR SO6P powers anymore after the kagyua fight
@@Aldoospeo 💀 sun seal give you 0 amp what so ever bud
Watch the show first and don't talk nonsense even teen KCM2 no diff luffy anything above that is overkill and as adult base form is enough
He can do everything, you clearly don't know anything. He didn't used his other abilities because kurama told him not to
Fun fact is Naruto lowball > Luffy's highball 🤷.....
nah luffy highball if you use very weird logic, but yes he still loses sadly
That is just a lie. They gave both naruto and luffy their best scalings that they could have. They have put naruto in star to solar system ap and thats like the best ap that he has and i havent seen any one put him above these levels of ap, they have also bring databooks for naruto when they are notorious for being wrong like giving temari planetary ap, saying that madaras fkre jutsu can burn anything to ashes or some no name ninja can drive away gods. They also scale narutos speed to mftl+ and bring back haku being ftl which is just some bs because that would put him on the same level of speed as lightning chakra cloack raikage and kid naruto dodged hakus attacks.
@@oliwiernowakowski1613 bud Naruto has been FTL in shippuden kcm 1
FTL + in SO6P
MFTL in the last movie
MFTL+ in Boruto. This could be lowball too
Also Databook not only shows Haku is light speed but also some other tons of characters. Not to mention the Flying Raijin is said to transcend the concept of space and distance & guess who's faster than it?
Boruto characters are easily MFTL+ consistently & also Itachi is FTL consistently
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud-dumbass lmao those speed feats are trash
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud-luffy been this since pre timeskip
Luffy can’t turn energy into rubber. They think he can because he did it with lighting, but he was able to do that because he’s rubber. Also the turn things into rubber ability is literally just his gum gum fruit awakening the same way doflamingo’s fruit awakened. Also to disprove he can’t turn anything into rubber is that he got hit by kaido’s blast breath and didn’t turn it to rubber, he either dodged it or used something like the ground to block it, and when he got hit with it he still took damage, and he’s still weak to slash attacks from swords or anything that would cut
verse equalization is cringe. It's just a cop out argument to give Naruto an advantage. "well its the same thing because souls" They don't behave in the same way and just because Haki can do something doesn't mean chakra can. If Naruto can bypass DFs can Luffy use Jutsus? You know why? because it's not the same thing. Chakra cant even get past Suigetsu defense. Like the show it self debunked this.
If you don't do verse equalization then Luffy has no means of harming any character with Six Paths chakra.
Luffy is just outright Stronger honestly and also he will just keep on getting even stronger
In his verse
he onetaps baryon mode cuz it sucks it's literally worse than eight gates in how bad it makes your endurance and the amp is way weaker just a good speed amp with useless lifespan drain
@@vert6537 Bro spitting some facts
@@vert6537lol did you watch the show😂 bayron mode has both strength and speed amp so you are saying Luffy beats Ishikki or momoshiki 😂😭?
@@vert6537luffy also has a time limit on g5, y'all are so bad at scaling genuinely
tbh luffy and naruto would never fight they would become friends 💀💀💀
Naruto low diffs but one piece fans can't handle it
@@aadikarbhandari9639 So if Luffy does have limitless imagination why doesn't he imagine him easily beating Kizaru or Kaido
Or bringing Ace back to life
Or giving Shanks his arm back?
😂
because thats not how it works but hey you explain me if Naruto beats luffy why cant he beat someone feat wise weaker than Kid Sasuke @@dsw-2898
@@aadikarbhandari9639Leave powerscaling immediately
*Haki* is a manifestation of pure will (mental energy).
*Chakra* is a combination of spiritual and physical energies.
They are *not* the same.
Naruto literally has regeneration and a whole 9 tails in his back pocket, Luffy would get molly whopped.
Funfact:The more luffy laughs in gear 5 form the stronger he gets+the only reason luffy only uses rubber attacks is because luffy thinks hes only a rubber man so can luffy beat naruto? Probably not but it honestly just depends on where the fight takes place
Anybody who thinks Luffy wins is just coping at this point.
I hear fanboys saying luffy speedblitz. Luffys FTL meanwhile Naruto’s MFTL and even baryon mode with time limit needs like 2 min to beat luffy 💀
Peak Naruto Baryon mode = Solar system
Peak G5 luffy = Continent level.
Naruto = MFTL+
Luffy = FTL
meh idk abt that
Bro luffy has the ability to manipulate literally anything with his thoughts, luffy could literally think about the naruto verse disappearing and it’s gone as soon as the thought occurs. Not to mention naruto has no haki and luffy has conquerors so naruto would be knocked out in a second.
Naruto base solos the verse imao
Sakura is enough for Luffy hell Indra murders
indra stronger than sakura. boruto really lowers yalls iq like bruh wtf and dont reply to me with some shit feats or statements saying shes universal. verse is a enel victim especially since othsutskis cant even absorb natural energy cry about it lmao😂
Naruto wins over luffy
Sasuke wins over Zoro
Shakura wins over Nami
It’s funny how people are still trying to argue for Luffy, all the feats they gave him were pushing the truth just to make it even close but even with that the fight is still just nothing, naruto’s ap and durability are so much higher and his hax are far superior.
Tbh after this if you still think luffy wins you’re either biased or can’t scale.
Well it’s true Naruto could beat luffy
Naw
Luffy still needs to learn a lot.......I think he can beat naruto when he learns to control his Gear 5 powes like other gears......Comparing Naruto who mastered every technique he learnt VS Current Luffy is just dumb in my opinion......
How would luffy beat naruto even with a perfected gear 5?
Reading these comments hurts my head
Lets start a war
Krillin solos one piece
Shots fired get mad
Also lets just enjoy our two favorit shows people great video btw
So Luffy is stronger than Zoro and we saw Zoro lifting more than anyone in Naruto Shippuden. So i don't think y'all actually took enough things into account.
Bro wtf? Lifting strength does not matter here bruh
Jesus can we stop saying Naruto is Star-Solar
The novels and anime already stated that Kaguya’s dimension is the size of parallel universes MULTIPLE times.
Naruto at age 19 scales to Kaguya making him Universal in AP
And Naruto at age 31 was beating peoples stronger than her
And at age 32 for a WHOLE NEW TRANSFORMATION beating people stronger than them.
We have to grow up as a Naruto fan base and face the fact that Naruto is Universal+ at his peak consistently and maybe even Multi-Universal highballing 🤦🏾♂️💯
the reasoning here is weird. No evidence was presented that Ryou wouldnt work, observation haki is not the same as a sharingans prediction which PREDICTS movement, naruto needed so much help during his fight with kaguya, he died in the war and had to be revived and they are not even close in speed. These things can only be said if you gave zero knowladge on how to scale or reason. If naruto can be damaged by a glorified stick that his durability won't work against Ryou. Overall Luffy wins high diff
Even on scaling sites, Naruto is scaled higher than Luffy, Naruto is at 5-B, Luffy is only at 6-A. And even on these pages there are significantly more One Piece fans than Naruto fans. Scales are permitted there for One Piece that would never be permitted for Bleach and Naruto. And even there, Naruto is rated higher.
@@Fatalis_Legend most scaling sites suck ass. They are either too biased or too incompetent to understand scale or context. For example most sites would scale destroying the island/country of Alabasta as a island or island+ feat but since this is One Piece Alabasta is roughly the same size as Australia. Therefore destroying the island Alabasta can be a continental feat. You just cannot trust most of them. I don’t care what they scale Naruto too, he is slower and will die with one Ryou punch to the heart or head and he has never shown to survive something like that
@@achmahnsch Of course, destroying an island like Arabasta would be at least a Large Contry or even Continent feat, but that goes both ways. Arabasta is one of the largest islands on the Grandline, but there are also islands like Dressrosa, Dressrosa is not even 20km in diameter, this is not even mountain level but rather city level. And even on Dressrosa, most of the destruction came from Doflamingo's Birdcage, the King Kong Gun only destroyed part of Dressrosa. But in order to really have a continental feat, you have to destroy/create an island the size of a continent at some point and not with any absurd calculations but clearly visible. The greatest statements are worthless if they can't keep up with the feats. But at least such statements are official. Some calculations don't fit the feats either, but they aren't even official. Bajrang Gun 4.49 Petatons TNT Equivalent, Multi-Continent level!? If even a fraction of this energy had worked there, then not only would the flower capital have been completely destroyed, but the whole of Wano...
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For comparison, these are real petatons of TNT equivalent. Only correction, a zero was accidentally left out in the video, the Tzar bomb does not have 5,000,000t TNT equivalent, but 50,000,000t TNT equivalent. However, this does not affect the remaining numbers, because the conversion factors are correct: 3,333x15,000 (Hiroshima) = 49,995,000
4.49 petatons of TNT equivalent would be pretty much between 3:58 and 4:50
@@Fatalis_Legend Alabasta is extremely small in One Piece. Regardless the reason why Dressrosa mattered is because the destruction was not Luffys attack, it was Doffy hitting the ground that’s a difference.
Won’t matter since again context. For example people love to say that the Bijou bomb is mountain lvl because the destroyed a mountain. Okay good so far. We know that one punch from Garp can destroy a mountain. Okay again so far so good. Now most sites or people would claim both to be mountain lvl. But that’s just wrong since a mountain in One Piece is far far bigger than a mountain in Naruto.
I rarely use calls from sites because what they say is not depicted in the show. In One Piece we have exact multipliers and a random haki multiplier than ranges from anywhere between 150 and 500 times. We don’t know. In Naruto there is no such thing. That’s why speed feast in Naruto suck and why one piece scales so far higher. Naruto has not shown mftl feats it’s mostly assumed. He barely dodged the light fang which might not be light speed because it’s Maderas neck moving not the laser.
Point being using sites is complicated but from personal calcs, other people and debates I watched Naruto does not have better feats than Luffy
@@Fatalis_Legend also the entire point of haki control is to use extreme force without destroying everything in your path. Onigashima is also so big it has an entire mountain range on top and it’s not even as big as the flower capital. There will always be plot and reasons why things that should happen don’t happen.
I think speed is massively overrated in of itself, we have seen SO MANY TIMES characters that are "faster" lose to "slower" characters due to IQ, BIQ, Strength, and perception. Speed shouldn't be the end all be all to a fight
Rip my goat 😔
"This topic is so boring" Yeah no shit, videos on this same topic have been recreated like 100+ times.
one piece worlds physical strength is just all around stronger in my opinion. you don’t see naruto punching a fucking giant with only HIS strength. no chakra no jinchuriki. just pure strength and i don’t see that from naruto.
Kishimto really said: “fuck plot scaling is better”
smoke that copium pipe harder
@@kronek99 lmao look at you being mad and not understanding a joke lmao
@@TheKingofCoralFr, these miggas just say cope for no reason.
@@TheKingofCoral Yeah yeah sure, now keep coping luffy fangirl
@@Johnny24-dl3ig once again, some random mf like you being toxic and anyways luffy slams Naruto cry 😭
Luffy solos because he has imagination powers, that means anything