Is Luffy Stronger Than Kaido?
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- Is Luffy Stronger Than Kaido?
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After Wanos' conclusion in the anime, I figured it’s the perfect chance to talk about who was stronger during that encounter. Despite Luffy catching the w, there’s still been a lot of controversy regarding this topic and today I’m going to do my best to speculate who was not only superior but who would win in a fresh 1v1 instead after both are completely washed of energy. So not only are we going to be analyzing most of the big fights in Wano like Luffy vs Kaido , along with Kaidos encounters with Law Kid Killer Zoro and Yamato. Its time to see if Gear 5 Luffy is stronger than Kaido, one of the four yonkos of One Piece and one of the strongest characters. Up there with the likes of Whitebeard , Kaido , Mihawk , Blackbeard , Shanks , Oden , and even Roger himself. Luffy is the son of Monkey D. Dragon, the leader of the Revolutionary Army, and the grandson of the Marine hero Monkey D. Garp, and their family carries the initial and Will of D. At age 7, Luffy accidentally ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi, which turned his body into rubber. Shanks also gave Luffy the very straw hat that has become Luffy's signature accessory, having gifted it to the boy as part of a promise for them to meet again someday after he became a great pirate. Growing up on Dawn Island under the care of Curly Dadan, Luffy befriended and became sworn brothers of the late "Fire Fist" Portgas D. Ace and Revolutionary Chief-of-Staff Sabo. Luffy has gone up against numerous global powers around him, starting with fighting the most powerful pirates in the East Blue and moving to clashes against the Marines, Seven Warlords of the Sea, Cipher Pol, World Nobles, and even the Four Emperors of the Grand Line, emerging victorious in a majority of these battles. He invaded and indirectly caused the annihilation of Enies Lobby, escaped the impregnable Impel Down, and was a focal figure in the Summit War of Marineford. He has also either defeated or befriended seven of the eleven known past or present Warlords prior to the organization's dissolution. After learning of this and his exploits against the Big Mom Pirates, the press labeled him the "Fifth Emperor of the Sea," though many prominent figures initially considered this to be exaggerated. However, after defeating Kaidou during the Raid on Onigashima, Luffy was officially declared as one of the Four Emperors by the World Government along with Buggy, replacing Kaidou and Big Mom. One Piece (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Eiichiro Oda. The story follows the adventures of Monkey D. Luffy, a boy whose body gained the properties of rubber after unintentionally eating a Devil Fruit. With his pirate crew, the Straw Hat Pirates, Luffy explores the Grand Line in search of the deceased King of the Pirates Gol D. Roger's ultimate treasure known as the "One Piece" in order to become the next King of the Pirates. Once a promising child soldier at the service of the Vodka Kingdom decades ago, Kaidou was drafted against his will by the Marines but managed to escape and start a career in piracy. He was invited by Edward Newgate to join the legendary Rocks Pirates as an apprentice, where he met and befriended Charlotte Linlin. During the God Valley Incident when the Rocks Pirates met their downfall, Linlin provided Kaidou with the rare Mythical Zoan-type Devil Fruit, the Uo Uo no Mi, Model: Seiryu. He then went on to form his own crew and build it up into a powerful military force determined to challenge the World Government. What’s really bad too is the mismatch in especially the stamina department as Luffy's gear 5 runs out faster than gear 4 does, and he’s fighting against the one character who has the best display of stamina and endurance in the entire series that isn’t maybe Akainu or Kuzan. Not only does the manga show that Kaido might damn near be stronger than gear 5 while under normal conditions? But at worst these two just scrap and Luffy loses gear 5, leading into him dying right then and there. With no island to hold or over 10 individuals jumping him with the best abilities that have durability negation? Kaido under normal circumstances would cook Luffy. And that’s why in my opinion? Kaido vs Luffy wasn’t close.
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What’s the diff for kaido beating luffy
Imagine getting jumped by 16 people and one of those people gets 4 tries and is the main character, and the fans say u got power cliffed😭😭
And that guy becomes a literal cartoon.
Luffy literally DIED and still beat kaido. I’m pretty sure dying from damage is worse to whatever damage or stamina drain kaido had (which could be very small in the grand scheme of things)
For all we know kaido could’ve been at 90% when gear 5 came out. Luffy was at 0 and luckily had his heart start beating again xD
@@CodemanDBZyea people fail to realize that Luffy had enough damage to die and kaido just had a shallow cut from zoro
@@jetplaz1235 right. Just because kaido fought multiple opponents for an extended time doesn’t mean he is in a worse shape than Luffy.
That’s the equivalent of a grown man fighting a group of toddlers. One of the toddlers grabbed a knife and swung it at him and cut through some of his skin.
Now the grown man punches one of the toddlers (Luffy) repeatedly and it dies… then it ressurects into a grown man with the same damage that the toddler took (in the hypothetical) lol
@@CodemanDBZ interesting example but your not wrong 😂😂😂
I feel like we've done this song and dance with Luffy so many times by now. Luffy beat Doflamingo, but he was helped by Law, and Doffy lost stamina by doing the bird cage, so even tho Luffy won, he was still considered weaker than Doffy. Then Luffy beats Katakuri, but Kat stabbed himself and ultimately gave up, so again Luffy wasn't stronger. Now it's all the same with Kaido. Honestly, I'd agree with these arguments, but as we should know by now, Luffy's strength increases so much between islands, that I wouldn't call it a stretch that Luffy may have truly surpassed Kaido by this point in the manga
“Then Luffy beats Katakuri, but Kat stabbed himself and ultimately gave up, so again Luffy wasn't stronger. ”
Luffy had already suffered the same stab wound, Kat’s was his way of evening the fight.
Luffy also managed to beat Kat is spite of having taken more hits from Lat vs the other way around, and despite what people argue there’s not much to suggest that Kat could have actually continued the fight even if he wanted to.
@michaeldorsey9231 facts, they also forget that Kaido was hitting Luffy with stronger blows. So Luffy was tanking heavier blows than Kaido. Not to mention the 9 scabbards couldn't even open the scar that an Oden from 20 years ago did. Also to add to this they speak on Gear 5 but forget Kaido had to use his hybrid form to fight base Luffy
@@eonragnarock2366people forget that kaido commented on how drained Luffy was during the fight. Luffy was damn near dead a few minutes ago and it’s silly to think those two weren’t at least equally nerfed
@eonragnarock2366 exactlyyyyyy bro
Like compare attacks from supernova, scabbards that only know ryou, and yamato vs attacks from fucking Kaido💀
Oda made it clear that they were in their last legs by that point (after the Ragnarok against Giant luffy) both exhausted asf, arguably luffy was more exhausted since he died just a couple of minutes ago lol.
And then luffy flat out overpowers Kaido's strongest attack, and the flame clouds were already gone by that point so none of that cope.
Luffy was fighting in base for most of the fight, and G2/G3, he survived and didn't get knocked out by a Ragnaraku from Drunken Kaido, so if he plays it smart, doesn't over do it with G4, and finishes with G5, he could win against a fresh Kaido.
@orbboom6119 not even that, the fact that Oda himself tells us this yet Kaidotards always low ball Luffy. Kaido himself says it " Joyboy is stronger than me"
There's also the statement that says,
" Gear 5 overwhelmed Kaido " the strongest creature in the world " "
It would definitely be a pretty close fight, none of the high tiers in one piece could do better than at least a high dif against each other. I think Oda has made that pretty clear
There's 4 emperors for a reason, they're on a stale mate, even Big Mom who everyone clowns on and deems as the weakest yonko, managed to fight for 3 days against Kaido.
And even Kuzan who we know lost, it lasted 10 days, that's no mid diff💀that's the extremest of diffs.
And even Shanks who everyone pulls in a pedestal, he was scarred by BB (with no fruit) and has been warning and weary of him the whole story, you don't do that if you can mid diff him lol
@@orbboom6119I think shanks was scared because of the devil ness of Bb
Magellan almost wiped out BB crew
Bahrang King Gun wasn't a struggle, did you forget that Momo was trying to push Onigashima away during that? It wasn't a struggle, the punch was literally never able to work if the island was in the way. Luffy was literally waiting for an island full of his friends and people were out of the way before he unleashed the attack that finished off Kaido, never forget narrative when you powerscale, because it matters
Well, Kaido was on the wrong side of gravity (going upwards). He was more exhausted than Luffy as he never got breaks and recoveries. Especially a resurrection and a godly powerup. Narrative still has Kaido above him, especially due to Gear 5's time limit. The others my have inflicted less damage on him but he was holding back a lot at the time and was expending his stamina.
It was still a struggle as Kaido was still able to push back despite all those odds against him.
@mstr293 Yeah, he pushed back a still cocked up punch. The second Luffy fired it Kaido was done. It wasn't a struggle, Luffy couldn't fire because Onigashima was in the way
@@mstr293luffy died end of story I don’t know where people get this g5 healed him full power Oda said himself g5 overwhelmed kaido end of story Luffy stronger
@@onemansplan6578yea I don’t know where this like gear 5 healed Luffy shit came from like if it healed him he didn’t take any massive damage from kaido in gear 5 so he shouldn’t have needed to be in bandages for weeks.
Luffy literally died which is significantly much worse of a handicap then minor lacerations that may or may not have been healed by the zoan attribute.
The zoan attribute only heals when awakened. Meaning luffy was getting regen while kaido wasnt. Also gear 5 js gave him an extra battery and healed him completely. Kaido was fatigued from fighting for so long
@@leqstareu3507luffy g5 didn’t not heal luffy I swear u people who ignore context pisses me off, he literally said I’m so tired I forgot I died
@@onemansplan6578 he forgot he died sure. That doesnt actually matter. Im not ignoring context im actually adding upon context thats directly stated in the story. Its stated that awakened zoans best strengths are their extreme toughness and healing capabilities. So yes luffy is healing throughout battle. Luffy also gets stronger as he laughs in gear 5. So luffy is being replenished and continuously increasing in strength whereas kaido is getting exhausted and continuously gettinng weaker and luffy still had to resort to bajrang gun to beat him.
@@leqstareu3507 nga literally was haki blooming and if luffy is getting stronger more he laughs how tf is kaido go beat him
@@onemansplan6578 because kaido was holding back until gear 5. Kaido was never going all out against luffy in the first place
2:58 Luffy explicitly pointed out drunk kaido was stronger
Kaido being sober literally didn’t make a difference at all the drunkenness made him stronger. He also says that kaido blitzed luffy (he didnt), omitting that the cipher pol agent jumped in the way
@@Mugiduck facts. Not to mention Luffy and Kaido both stated the attacks used before ashura were "Shallow"
“He also says that kaido blitzed luffy (he didnt),”
Don’t recall which instance Tylearned was referring to, but Kaido did blatantly outspeed Luffy in several instances (ie. using his future sight and blitzing Snakeman Luffy (while evading every punch coming his way))
@@michaeldorsey9231 Tyler was referring to gear 5 with death destroyer bagua which isn't true as both the anime and manga show Luffy got up his hardened defense before kaido even swung
@@marqusmedina5983 yeah, that instance wasn’t a blitz
I love yo vids bro
Could you explain your argument again, I don’t understand how luffy at his weakest gear 5th version beat kaido at his strongest when he covered himself in lava and luffy won but you say kaido still wins
Agenda
Because kaido didnt need to take the attack but took it for the plot lol
Both are Mihawk victims
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Get him past vista and crocodile first
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@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou this comment is almost as dumb as your profile picture lmao
I watched a video recently and now I'm kinda curious on what your thoughts are on Kaido vs Sukuna.
Luffy fans really believe that fighting someone who was ganked for HOURS with various assists like it was JJK means that Luffy wins? Color me surprised. They probably think that Luffy would have beat Doflamingo, too, despite Doffy having his organs rearranged and using his Haki to destroy an ISLAND while Luffy was getting carted around.
Did u miss the part luffy died
@@isaacmybro9570 I'm saying that Luffy fans are stupid. Kaido literally had fought for HOURS, while Luffy gangbanged him with 20+ people. Luffy then had two resets to rejoin the fight. I thought that was implied that Kaido WAS the victor. Luffy just lucked out because he had so many allies.
The only shown endurance I'd say is better is Whitebeard. But it seems like all the top tiers have crazy endurance.
can you do toriko vs the big 3
I feel like it needs to be pointed out that kaido took every attack thrown at him, he could definitely dodge attacks and the only one luffy could effectively use takes time. But either way kaido can damage luffy in every avaliable way since his fire can burn luffy
What's your stance on Kaido vs. Acnologia?
Unbiased answer is Acnologia assaults badly. But since Fairy Tail sucks my agenda is that Drunk Kaido oneshots the verse.
Every time ppl bring up all the characters Kaido fought b4 losing to Kaido i always ask them, "Do you really think Kaido was pressed by them?" The scabbards, Kidd, Killer, and Law; Kaido was not pressed by any of them. Luffy pressed Kaido first and his attacks were too shallow meaning all the attacks weaker than his were too. The only person one rooftop who actually contributed to the win other than stalling for time was Zoro who actually damaged Kaido and Momo who moved the Island(Yamato was a time stall but she still put in work)
Yeah, it's impressive that Kaido was able to endure all of that damage, but his endurance is aided by his high durability, which made it so he didn't have to endure nearly as much damage as Luffy needed to endure
he kinda was pressed by the scabbards, yk the rescar thing
@@TheHighPoint2343 They couldn't manage to reopen his scar with their strongest combined attack. Only Zoro was able to deal meaningful damage apart from Luffy
@@TheHighPoint2343 Kaido literally tells them that they failed to reopen it. The only person who scarred Kaido was Zoro*, who used hints of Conqueror's haki into his strongest attack; Asura.
*I'm not including Oden in this statement because I'm sure it's a given seeing as we are discussing the scar he left on Kaido. When I say "Zoro's the only one who scared Kaido" I'm referring to the fighters on rooftop; Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kidd, Yamato, Momo, Killer, and the Scabbards.
Chip damage matter. Especially if it came from the same guy who had multiple chances of recovery. Even his "death" doesn't matter. He was resurrected and got stronger due to his godly DF power.
Kaido and Luffy were both equally tired, both were nerfed to shit and neither had the time left to play around, or else they would've died. The reason Kaido waited until the end to pull out his flame dragon torch is because he wanted a good fight, but didn't want to kill luffy. Then, he realized if he kept toying around he would've died and pulled out his strongest attack. Plus, let's not forget kaido was surprised luffy could even stand after their first 2 clashes. Luffy healed up by eating but you can't make that excuse with the last round, luffy didn't get his stamina back and kaido didn't either, it was a fair fight in the end. Sure, you could argue kaido was overall stronger than luffy but that's like saying crocodile is stronger than current luffy because he beat him back in alabasta, it doesn't make sense as a take.
Its so weird, like do ppl argue that luffy was weaker than doffy after dressrosa or weaker than moria after thriller bark?😂its dumb
Luffy so got his stamina back. Dude literally resurrected and got stronger. That's literally an ultimate form of recovery.
@@mstr293 except he didnt get his stamina back, after he beat kaido he was nearly dead again, and wasnt at full stamina when he awakened
This is so facts, I'm so sick and tired on this kaido agenda, sure he's strong but by the time Luffy awakened gear 5 he surpassed kaido plain and simple, people seem to ignore important details when they say kaido is stronger.
You actually didnt say one correct thing in ur whole essay lol🤣 youre clueless buddy boyo and have no knowledge on powerscaling
Did you by any chance forget Luffy did not have acoc and awakening when he began fighting Kaido? Lmao
Kaido still wins against gear 5th luffy.
Well, if you watched the video you’d know I mentioned these factors and in response I said Kaido is drunk😭
kaido being drunk literally made him stronger if you read the manga you would have known@@Tylearned
@@Tylearned yeah idk fam kaido being drunk makes him stronger
@@Tylearned I watched the video and I laughed my ass off when you straight up ignored the panel where it says Kaido got more powerful because he drank booze. You can't argue he's stronger than Luffy because he beat him when he was weaker. Do you even make money out of these ass cheeks videos you make ?
The amount of times you contradicted yourself i swear
But still good video
I honestly have to say that right now Luffy isn't quite above Kaido yet solely because Gear 5 stamina problem, the two combatants are very close in power where both can severely harm one another with Luffy having an edge with a stronger finisher attack. However Kaido is an endurance and durability monster that far exceeds Luffy's which is why I give Kaido a slight edge.
Once Luffy gets gear 5 down that's when I believe he'd truly surpass Kaido.
Theres no getting it down lmao. It would be op
Btw he stopped holding the island and got no buffs in power so it doesn’t really count as smth weakening him
Kaido and luffy reminds me of kenpachi vs Ichigo when kenpachi suppressed his power to have a good fight
Will there be rimuru power scalling pleaseee
i feel like it just comes down to who was most fatigued during the final stages of the battle. Of cause theres an argument for kaido due to the insane amount of attacks he took while holding up an entire island. What could you even do to get more fatigued. Fucking die. Luffy gets bodied 4 times and dies. Sure kaido was fighting dura neg fodder for the entire fight and took some real damage but luffy was fighting kaido. So i believe luffy was more fatigued and he still won the clash at the end so luffy prob win if they fight at full stamina. It's a bit weird with the whole g5 timer so maybe its better to say that g5 luffy is stronger than kaido but kaido might win due to stamina issues. idk
If luffy paces out his gear uses smartly he could win, but if he goes straight to G4 or G5 like he did with kizaru he is tiring quickly and losing
Just finished the vid and noticed that you conveniently forgot the statement Luffy made of his Ryou attacks(which has dura negation that should be higher than the others(with the exception of Zoro's Asura and haki dragon that he made with Enma)) was too shallow to actually injure Kaido. Also, Kaido only begins huffing and puffing after getting hit by Luffy's ACOC attacks.
this guy is baised ignored the fact luffy was more fatigued and injured than kaido and noone other than luffy did any actual damage and that didnt even last
@@Abdullahabdullah-cw8ugbut didnt luffy get knocked off the island and got a lunch break,
( sure there is biased in this vid but still luffy did get a rest break and lunch one before fighting kaido again and yamato was stalling the whole time)
@@Bbg_samurai ok but luffy literally DIED and still trolled kaido at equal nerfing
@@velryxia luffy died and came back energized as hell he was literally tweaking.
@@velryxia they were both tired but still luffy had breaks, kaido didnt, egghead fully recovered luffy definitely beats kaido though, not wano l.
I still don’t think holding up onigashima actually hindered Kaido, similar to how Doflamingo didn’t get any weaker upon using the bird cage
Me too I agree when the flames that lifted onigashima was gone there was no sign that kaido has gotten stronger in the final clash.
@Tylearned you left out that after kaido beat Luffy after he unlocked advanced armament Luffy was saved by laws crew and was allowed to eat meat and other food in order to recuperate whereas kaido got nothing just saying XD.
Just saying After the battle Luffy needed to make a full recovery a weeks of meals, rest and healing to make a full recovery
Can you do Natsu scale pls. Then make a video about acno vs kaido dragons vs dragons
Acnologia swats Kaido like a fly. It isn't even remotely close, but if You want to see an execution and not a fight then sure, great suggestion. Also Natsu gets to low outerversal and at least infinite speed. You're welcome. You don't even need a video for that. I just told You his scaling.
@@HelperKaiGlenn shut up pls
Thanksgiving was 3 weeks ago😢
6:56 me personally i dont think even admirals got it, bro stunned admiral in manga for for 20 chapter with one dawn star punch, while kaido took a barage of it and he only got stunned for measely 5 panels
Do prime whitebeard vs kaido
Luffy wasn’t healed from gear 5 we see that due to the fact that he falls out of it mad early & reaches his limit & then says “oh yea I was dying before this” which is telling you he’s super drained from all the fighting & him dying previously which is making it hard to keep g5 active since that’s just draining even more stamina luffys hp is clearly lower than Kaido’s atp that’s why he’s out for a whole week after the battle due to all the injuries & fighting he did if he was healed that wouldn’t be the case so although Kaido was also very drained nun of it compared to dying & coming back fighting immediately after without any rest or healing so luffys hp was lower yet he still overpowered Kaido at the end showing he was stronger
Also kaido holding up onigishima draining him is a misconception all that’s said is due to Kaido’s power weakening from his fight wit luffy that the clouds have become unstable showing the weaker Kaido is the weaker the clouds are not that the clouds itself are weakening him that’s never stated it’s like doffys birdcage it’s passive once it’s activated & how long it stays active is dependent on the condition of the user
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Do a cid vs gojo vid
My guy! In one of your older videos I made a commet explaining why Luffy was still weaker than Kaido post Wano with most the reasoning you had here. I then got dog piled by Luffy Stans haha. So thank you going in to detail about the fight, here's hoping by the end of Egghead Luffy will irrefutably prove he's Yonko level.
Chopper victims tbh
Oh yeah and Kaido also didn’t use future sight at the end of rooftop like what if he would’ve used that he probably wouldn’t of got hit
Kaido is literally a Mythic Raid boss in WOW, I dont think any 1 person can really beat him 1v1, even the gorosei, he is insane
I think Kaido was slowing you more power over time.
Now yes Kaido did receive injuries but them injuries didn’t really affect Kaido at all
What I’m saying is when he did get attack by Luffy squad he basicall shrug it off and s/b them all making Luffy get back up learning CoC coating. Then when Kaido fights this Luffy Kaido finally got happy someone was actually strong enough so he can enjoy fighting basically kinda saying that what they were doing way before was meaningless. But this Kaido got to excited and didn’t realize he been knocked out Luffy and he was fighting air. Then he calm down and started fighting Yamato and Luffy then eventually when luffy went g4 and going back fight Kaido solo. Kaido got back happy and started to go all out more. Bc luffy was finally able to get Kaido to start going all out and use up most of his energy to move and to put power into his attack and when luffy went g5 that’s when Kaido got tired.
In my long winded convo
I believe correct Luffy would extreme diff-mid diff Kaido and only reason is it depends on when Luffy goes g5 bc now he goes g5 right away instead of slowly building up.
Kaido got cut by zoro and Kaido took powerful attacks got attacked by akazaya 9 and by killer law and other people who could cut his skin.
Kaido wins very extreme diff
Ur smoking weed if u think Luffy is mid diffing Kaido
@@Vinowel those attacks wasn’t that powerful and most of them were only dmging a weaker Kaido vs a way stronger Kaido and you can find this out my figuring out how strong luffy is vs is base form and every time he gets stronger. Just like how shanks lost an arm from a sb Luffy punched first ep your strength and durability go hand to hand and can change depending on how much power you’re using
@@Vinowel and forced over exerted g4 Luffy tryna force g4 was hanging with a drunken formed Kaido. Kaido only showed signs of fatigue after Luffy went into g5 never when he fought Luffy in g4 or after Luffy died. Also when Luffy fought Kaido so he brought more out of Kaido then when Luffy was fighting with everyone else. You can check this by how much he gets stronger and comes back overpowering that version of Kaido so Kaido just get stronger and process repeats
Nothing but facts
now do kaido vs shanks.
egghead luffy still oneshots with a bajarang gun
To think maybe in the end the sun god destroyed the dragon, mostly because the dragon is multi tasking.
2:38 i dunno about kaido completely outpacing and overpowering luffy, since a member of cp0 is the reason luffy took that hit in the first place.
He blitzed luffy multiple times in gear 5 and 4
Under 1 hour gang
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Don’t forget the scabbards had to 9V1 before Luffy EVEN gets to the roof.
Don't forget Luffy had to get knocked out like 5 times and die before getting acoc and gear 5
@@kylehalpern6695Luffy died after he had Advanced Conquerors Haki, he came back to Life with Gear 5 which took away some (Not all) of his injuries.
There’s also the fact that Luffy was able to rest and was able to eat tons of food then got back into the fight against Kaido and still got bodied.
@@JR-pu9bn the eating doesn't matter. When Luffy died and came back he said and I quote " I can keep fighting a bit longer" ch 1044. He never healed any injuries. His heart just started again. It's basically adrenaline. He had less HP than Kaido and won. Ergo Luffy is stronger
@@JR-pu9bnHe literally couldn't stand up when fighting kaido again he still sustained damage
@@kylehalpern6695Is it really that simple to say though? Kaido was lifting Onigashima the entire time they fought which could’ve hindered his performance against Luffy itself. People are always like “No, Luffy beat Kaido in the final clash so he is stronger” This is always going to be a controversial battle until EOS where Luffy will definitely be stronger.
Both mihawk and akainu victims
It dont matter if it's Shanks, Mihawk, Big Mom, an Admiral, Dragon, or the Sun God himself. 1on1 Kaido >
Kaido >>> nika
First luffy himself wasnt at his best the entire fight in the 1vs1 he was at first prior fighting without advenced conquers made shallow damage and wasted his energy. Then his advenced conquers in their first round in the 1vs1 was stated by kaido, after he knocked luffy down from the island crude and clumsy only in their second round did he perfect his advenced conquers and split the sky with kaido, and only in the end got gear 5 after he was dead and came back, and you can not have me belive that kaido was more tired and weaker than luffy who did the jesus and returned to the living after diying. and he himself was spaming the gears. Even trough i think kaido would still in a fair 1vs1 win because of garbage stamina that luffy has in comparisan to kaido, gear 5 would be stronger than kaido but he would still loose to kaido because he cant knock kaido out before luffy runs out of stamina. So gear 5 is for a time stronger than kaido but would still loose. Secondly People massivly overrat the damage kaido took prior the 1vs1.Luffy himself said he did prior to advenced conquers shallow damage to kaido and in gear 4 luffy did the most damage against kaido expect zoro we know that because big meme law and kid where all impresed by luffy constantly hitting kaido in gear 4 and he has durabilty begation to and i obviously dont need to explain if the worst gen did shallow damage to kaido the scabards did to. The only real lasting damage kaido took was zoro scaring kaido and yamato fighting him with advenced conquers. Yamato Was the only person who did massive damage to kaido besides luffy and well zoro did some but the scar healt in a few seconds so he didnt do that much.
This what people should look at, everyone forgets how much damage Luffy took and should consider that during the fight
@@animefaxnocap W
@@animefaxnocapyeah he took damage but had 3 stamina and hp regens
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@@Spongedbob-yh7wplol your whole argument is incorrect as luffy states he can fight a bit longer just proving that he got stamina and hp. Also luffy got hurt by bonneys basic attacks💀 so if u actually think luffy got revived at like 0% and still took kaidos strongest attacks even tho he got hurt by kizarus cloned and base armament then ur just riding it
this video is extreme suck up for kaido, and it can't be more obvious, you ignored many variables
Luffy is pretty much objectively stronger, Kaido took minor wounds from way weaker opponents excluding Zoro’s slash whereas Luffy took hits that one tapped him multiple times while he was also using transformations that destroy his stamina pool, right before he died to Kaido/Guernica he couldn’t even stand up right, we also see that Kaido regenerated from a lot of the injuries he sustained as we simply see them not being present later on which makes sense given his zoan df, Luffy was way more fatigued and injured in their final fight which Luffy won, Luffy also has the portrayal of surpassing Kaido as he does so with all of his major opponents, he surpassed Katakuri, he surpassed Lucci, he surpassed Crocodile etc, on top of that I’d like to mention that Kaido lifting onigashima isn’t as impressive considering Momonosuke who just barely learnt how to fly was effectively able to do the same thing
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💀 ur whole argument is incorrect. Youre actually using narrrative for ur argument. you know how bad your argument is that you have to use other instances of luffy beating his opponent (other fights were 1v1, this one was 16v1)
Luffy got healed 3 times and ofc he didnt take the same amount of damage he started using acoc. Like that argument is so bad. All that matters is luffys hp, kaidos hp and gear 4+5 vs end of eano kaido. Kaido was overpowering g4 easily after his amps and the fight started after kaido took internal damage from 5 supernova, fought luffy alr, fought momo and yamato alr, luffy and yamato alr and still packed up luffy easily after he started using fs. In the gear 5 fight luffy gets an hp boost as stated by him that he could fight a lil longer. If u think he got revived at 0% hp then how did he take kaidos acoc attacks post amps if hes getting hurt by BASIC armament rn💀 and after that kaido could clap luffy while recharging gear 5 but didnt and let luffy get another hp+stamina boost as stated by kaido and momo that luffys on the verge of death but ofc he starts tanking op attacks by kaido infused with acoc (luffy gets hurt by kizaru clones and basic armament🙏😭) kaido vs luffy is such a bad argument because kaido quite literally just outlasts and overpaces luffy in every instance
2:45 I guess the interference doesn’t count
your saying in a case where it is a fair 1v1 and kaido doesn't have to hold up an island and wouldn't have damage done to him prior he would win but you also said luffy wasn't trying to kill anyone with his gear 5 king kong gun but if no else was there he would beat kaido and kaido's strongest attack would have been beaten and he would have lost
He's saying that if it were a true 1v1 with no one else around, Kaido wins easily. And with Gear 5s stamina issue it makes sense because Kaido can just endure whatever Gear 5 gives and kill Luffy in the weakened state.
Personally, I THINK that they did Kaido dirty. Like c'mon, bro was jumped by Zoro, Killer, Law, Useless D. Mid, and LUFFY! Also Yamato and Momo jumped in too! And some people are saying that Kaido WASN'T effected by the onslaught of relentless attacks, like bro, what are y'all on about? We can SEE the visible pain Kaido is ENDURING! My guy is really out here boxing with the new gens while also suffering from internal bleeding smh. And he did all of this while his stamina was CONSTANTLY depleting little by little due to holding up a freakin' island with THOUSANDS of people on it! Not to mention he was drunk later on in the fight 💀. And don't even pull the; "oh, but Kaido was delivering heavier blows" or "Kaido said being drunk made him stronger." Well guess what? 1.) Don't act like Luffy didn't have to time to recover from those massive hits, like bro was literally snoozing the first time kaido knocked him out on Onigashima. And when he got knocked OFF Onigashima, you can't tell me bro didn't have time to recover AND got an entire 5-Star meal to go with it! Blud really had all these HP regens and Kaido out here sitting on half health. Now, you could say Luffy didn't get his stamina back, but for a man who almost drowned, he had no problem popping G4 Snakeman off the bat. And 2.) Sure, Kaido DID get stronger when he was drunk, but at the end of the day, bro still can't walk in a straight line! HE'S STILL DRUNK, STRONGER OR NOT! (and being drunk didn't help him recover from his previous wounds btw) And now for the icing on the cake. "Kaido and Luffy were both equally tired." Cap, like I said earlier Kaido's stamina is constantly depleting and much more faster than Luffy's for that matter, since, again, HE'S HOLDING A WHOLE DAMN ISLAND! And don't sit here and act like you didn't see Luffy pull his greatest card of plot armor yet, and comes back from the dead really thinkin' he's Jason V. And by the way, BRO GOT HIS WHOLE STAMINA BACK WHEN HE AWAKENED! Like what!? I mean, you can still argue that Luffy didn't get his stamina back due to him dying and all, and G5 having doodoo water stamina, but for a dead man he sures seems pretty hyper if he's able to catch LIGHTNING and turn Kaido into a make-shift JUMP ROPE! Like, even Yamato literally said that Kaido was getting tired. Anyways, that's all, I just wanted share what I think about all of this. Feel free to debate in the reply section, but I'm most likely not gonna respond anytime soon. Also, don't get the wrong idea and think I'm down playing Luffy. And If you must know, I HAVE READ AND WATCHED OP! Like, I know G5 is strong, but for now, he's just not there yet. And if Oda truly believed Luffy's power back then could take on Kaido, he'd wouldn't give him all these handicaps, that's just what I think. (Sorry for the essay lol)
Yall forget Luffy was in worse condition for the majority of the fight and alcohol makes him stronger. Only strong character that actually did smth to Kaido was Yamato. Who he admitted he was going full power against. So Hybrid Kaido >= Yamato so chill on Luffy💀 before yall say “Luffy had a feast though,” ok what about iron body and Big Mom? Kaido had advantages too and knocking down Luffy and him getting up each time proves how strong Luffy is. Also no Doflamingo, Katakuri, and Kizaru are also not stronger than Luffy during their arcs Bounce Man fucked up Doflamingo so hard and was than stated to be weaker than Cracker 😭, Katakuri stabbed himself cuz of the dart and once Luffy got in snake man he wasn’t a match for him, and he used g5 against 2 other characters before he fought Kizaru. Everyone who Luffy beats is for some reason always “stronger than Luffy” dawg he’s equals with big mom be fr 😭
Zoro had ryuo on rooftop??
It’s never explicitly stated, but it could be inferred from visuals that Kaido might actually have a strong healing factor (ie, none of the wounds he got from the Scabbards appear to be visible/bleeding well after he mops them), so some of the wounds he sustained could have diminished during his few moments of reprieve. That said he simply had fewer/shorter rest periods than Luffy got, so even accounting for that Kaido would still have been fighting through more injuries.
I still think that G5 Luffy would have better AP given their final clash, but he’s not that far above Kaido and unfortunately is nowhere near as enduranced.
Even if you want to argue he has a healing factor that would also take stamina as well but he is a dragon which are known to have healing factors in some stories and mythology
Completely headcanon and you can't use headcanon in a power scaling debate he doesn't have an ancient zoan he has a mythical zoan so if i use your logic then luffy even before awakening his devil fruit had a healing factor hehe don't try to manipulate people
Oh and it was stated that awakened zoans have very high recovery speed and luffy is an awakened zoan so nice try👌
“if i use your logic then luffy even before awakening his devil fruit had a healing factor”
I mean, he unironically did have that. As long as Luffy has something to eat he can not only replenish some stamina, but he somehow seems to metabolize it fast enough to even heal (ie, drinking milk from Bege’s fridge allowed him to regrow his tooth).
“Oh and it was stated that awakened zoans have very high recovery speed and luffy is an awakened zoan so nice try”
Except that Luffy seems to be some odd exception where his awakening takes a lot out of him. One use from G5 is enough to reduce Luffy to wrinkles, and further use rendered Luffy unconscious for days after that.
@@michaeldorsey9231 luffy is an exception because gear 5 takes out his stamina? Not only headcanon and you are debating while using theoric but literally kaido literally same lol as holding up the island was taking out his stamina as stated by yamato and momo lifted the island for 2 minutes and was exhausted so saying luffy is an exception with no source while it's kaido the same for others and of course luffy gear 5 will take his stamina when he is currently fighting imo
@@Ecto1777I'm sorry but Kaido having more endurance than Luffy is bizarre to me.
Luffy tanked heavier blows than what Kaido ever tanked in the fight.
Yk whats also crazy. Its that haki is stated to weaken if fighting for a long time meaning it wasnt kaidos peak haki as well. Kaido>luffy is clear imo
And some people still unironically think that Kizaru is stronger than Kaido 😂
Celestial Dragons no diff both of them
One of the worst vs videos I've ever seen, I was going to write tons of things but when I saw the comments of people who actually watch the One Piece I didn't need to write, they already wrote it one by one for me.
And no one said anything correct boyo
@@thegoat4360why you are crying boyo 😂
@@joker2929 i quite literally refuted most of them on my other acc
W vid I respectfully disagree tho luffy died before fighting kaido & no he didn’t heal his injuries were clearly still there & he even points out he was dying before he was fighting in gear 5 this why he got tired quickly showing that both him & kaido were weakened from overall fatigue and from this point it really just depends on who u think was in a worse condition but there’s more proof that suggests luffy is stronger now since he would of had to haki bloom after fighting kaido according to Rayleigh since him fighting kaido in the final fight & him fighting kizaru can both be considered extreme conditions meaning his haki would of had to have grown so egghead luffy > kaido >=< wano luffy imo
And if anyone wants to bring up egghead feats contridicting this i really don’t see how the moment he got serious the fight ended in a blitz & one shot & that bullshit about him being mentally nerfed is complete headcannon till we get more content
Im sorry but 99% of the attacks Kaido got that werent from Luffy did jack shit. The only one worthy of note is Zoros Ashura. Thats the only attack that actually managed to cause some form of damage and trying to say other attacks like Kids shockwave or Laws Gamma knife caused significant damage to Kaido is hilariously disingenuous when he insulted Kids attack right afterwards, in base and then after eating Laws attack just said it was "annoying". These attacks did nothing.
But hypothetically lets say he did get massively hurt by the attacks that left no visible trace and were insulted. Lets say Kaido was at 40% (more or less) by the time G5 came out.... Luffy straight up died moments ago. Kaido's at 40% while Luffy was literally at 0%. And you cant argue that Luffy got fully healed because #1 we still see the injuries on Luffys body and #2 Luffy stated that him being on deaths door was heavily affecting him meaning we KNOW the revival wasnt a significant heal. And especially now that Luffy has had more time to test G5 and improved his attacks egghead G5 should 100% be over Kaido.
You can even see proof of that with Luffys White Star Gun which is an improved version of the dura neg punch he hit Kaido with during their fight. Luffys improved since and if it wasnt safe to say he was stronger by the end of Wano it sure is safe now.
But what about the damage Luffy took while trying to make it to the rooftop
he took barley any lets be fr
@@kingkulu3247 nah
@@kingkulu3247took more than Kaido
@@youngfish1370 before the roof top I think not
@@Titan-jc8to do you think that appo did significant damage to Luffy at all or the giants. Not even the one of the toppie roppo did much damage
I view it like this
Luffy is technically stronger in gear 5 but it’s stamina is so shit, that kaido wins.
Ty, SB Sage did a video on Hokage vs Yonkou and grossly downplayed how much of a stomo it is for the Yonkou. He used the 1st-4th Hokages and said it was close. You gotta respond and let these cringe Naruto fans know that it's a stomp
Probably in the bad timeline it ended like kaido defeated luffy in the final clash g5 vs flame dragon
Kaido was having man pstd form oden
Y'all know that in One Piece a bad health state doesn't affect your AP. Else, it would be another reason why Luffy surpassed Kaido, because is not debatable at all that in the final round Luffy was in worst state than Kaido and won the clash anyway.
Comparing the shallow damage that characters like Scabbards and Supernova did to Kaido and few attacks landed by Zoro and Yamato with Luffy's damage (returning from the death literally) is a non-sense.
I honestly think Luffy post wano, is around near equal terms with kaido. Luffy aint stronger than kaido, but hes not exactly weaker either, i mean kaido did state that luffy was the first one to fight equally on par with him in their battle. Not only getting knocked out 3 but killed the 4th time, and coming back, once luffy is healed up and rested again, he likely is massively stronger than his haki blooming self from the middle of their fight. So thats just my opinion, i think they're equal and can go either way
Kaido drinking alcohol amped his haki. Luffy literally stated this.
Fresh Kaido vs. Luffy I would say medium difficulty win to Kaido.
why would we listen to som1 who says naruto beats luffy on this topic
Naruto beats luffy
Yeah no Luffy DIED in that fight, he was way more exhausted than Kaido hy the time he got Gear 5 so Luffy at hid max should be stronger.
Both of them took significant damage NOT Only kaido. Remember, kaido beat luffy so many time and that is a damage that kaido has done to luffy but luffy keeps getting back up because he can. BUT luffy defeated kaido ONCE but he never went back. that concludes that luffy can take damage but kaido cant. period.
actual yap ignored so much context just to glaze kaido
I hate when people bring the argument of kaido fighting lots of people, like anyone other than luffy, yamato or zoro's ashura did any damage. Luffy said that all the attacks were too shallow before aconc. Kaido holding the island is most likely a stamina problem. Kaido was waiting for someone stronger to defeat him, you think he's gonna say that luffy's win didn't count because he had help? And also the narrator said 'a fierce haki clash, who will prevail ' about both of their final attacks so by your logic Luffy is stronger because his haki is stronger
I think Kaido did not take that much damage as people think it is. He has his Durability carrying him
Flaming bagua is probably a shit ton of damage. Also u dont NEED that much damage in a fight. Most top tiers arent as durable as luffy is.. they arent zoan users or almost immune to blunt damage. Keep in mind. Also he held back a lot on everyone he fought until gear 5. + that insane speed. He dont need to do as much dmg as shanks if shanks cant take that much dmg himself
@@faceagain5703 No I meant Kaido did not take that much damage as people think so. Sorry for bad wording
@@hackingchampion nah . People forget how powerful luffy was once he unlocked COC. His base form was able to split the sky with kaido. A feat we ONLY see yonko s do. Then luffy stacked gears on top of that. Still wasnt doing too much to kaido. Then even in g5 kaido was doing fairly well until the final clash. A clash that was unnecesary as kaido could of simply dodged it and then luffy lost after that
@@faceagain5703 But Battle IQ should also be counted into the fight. Kaido could not have dodged the Final Clash because he does not have the fighting IQ to dodge in situation.
Also according to Oda, if Luffy and Kaido were to clash again, there is no way Oda will make Luffy lose to Kaido again.
I think narrative is favoring Luffy over Kaido (unless we see Kaido in the Final Saga somehow with an awakening) Then the tables can switch. Luffy wins Extreme-Insane Dif for me
Ok so he took INTERNAL DAMAGE, was yelling, bleeding, crying and shi in his weaker forms. But ofc he didnt take damage💀 bad argument
In a one on one fight, always bet on kaido
short answer : yes, but kaido still wins due to g5's stamina issues.
even if Kaido is stronger, I'll be extreme diff, cause not only zoro, and the other helps luffy, but also big mom and CP0 helps Kaido, but there is no way Kaido can defeat current Luffy, cause Luffy is Joyboy, Kaido would be scared if he knows that he is Joyboy
bros acting like luffy was operating at full stamina bs kaido, bro came back with 1hp and won
Y’all disrespecting Kaido, oda was worried how he was going take out such a strong character and failed to write him off in a good way, just like Gege did know what to do with Gojo.
yerrr
Do you think kaido has awakened his fruit
Mr 3 would have bodied Crocodile with prep time and luffy destroyed Kaido.
Power creep piece is crazy
Remember kaido tanked all of this while Fruadzaru gets knocked out by one punch
Real
Kaido is the strongest yonko of the new gen, the data points to that. After Kaido got defeated the red hair pirates regained their motivation for the one piece and sailed real close to wano 😂 Egg head showed the upper limits of gear 5th , its endurance right now only put its right at fleed admiral level. Luffy is still in that admiral level tier of power where he can box admirals and defeat them extreme dif but he's not stronger than Kaido. No one wil surpass Kaido's endurance and durability except Luffy. Luffy will peak right above kaido by the end of the series by having his monstrous endurance and durability that can power his gear 5th transformation so that it doesn't burn out and his conqueror haki should be refined enough where he will surpass Shank's monstrous attack power , making Luffy as physically powerful as kaido and with an attack power that surpasses shanks.
He already has both of those bro💀literally made an island covered in haki
The only thing keeping him down is the time limit, so the other top tiers can win in a battle of stamina or if luffy cant use bajrang gun
@orbboom6119 Luffy doesn't have the durability or endurance of Kaido, and saying he already has all this then bringing up the fact that he has a time limit is contradicting your self lol Luffy cannot maintain gear 5th if he does big attacks or takes to much damage too quickly he gasses. One bajrang gun cannot take out a fresh kaido.
@@tawchaentertainment1488 while in G5 he ate every big attack from Kaido, like his strongest thunder bagua and multiple boro breaths, they both hit each other with their best attacks and then clashed their strongest moves with luffy winning.
And even before G5 he didnt get knocked out after being hit with a Ragnaraku from Blood thirsty drunk Kaido💀in base.
Luffy's stats while in G5 are pretty much the same as Kaido's and has a better finishing move, only difference is the time limit.
So if luffy times it right and goes G5 at the right moment he could win against anyone.
Mf think luffy aint fight mfs before he got to kaido give this man kuffy his props stop d riding kaido luffy stronger
yes as he beat him :(
Yea let’s ignore kaido saying himself there attacks did nothing to him, let’s ignore luffy saying kaido’s haki was getting stronger, let’s ignore g5 luffy was trolling for most of the fight not taking kaido seriously, i think kaido wins but only because g5 stamina is ass
I swear to god i cant with Kaido fanboys, dude yes the guy fought more than 10 people but he also had the strongest woman (probably) in one piece with him, and also everybody there was weaker than Kaido, but also zoro ALONE tanked a full power hit from 2 yonkou, he is a dragon fighting some ants, some wolfs and some dinosaurs, momo is 8 years old, yamato is a literal wolf, the swordsman were fodder, only Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid and Killer were the dinosaurs but even them he had big mom with him, ya cant compare one of the ultimate opps to some fodder dude cmon
Completelty disagree. A fresh kaido vs fresh luffy both at their strongest would be an incredibly close fight, it could honestly go wither way but I’m leaning more towards kaido.
This still is a close fight. Even if kaido has better endurence, Luffy had better speed, ap etc. This a similar situation as Goku MUI vs Jiren as the latter had more endurence but Goku was overall superior
........THIS IS NOT A DEBATE BRO LUFFY IS RELATIVE AND IT PROB HIGH TO MID DIFF BECAUSE LUFFY NEEDED LIKE 5 OVER 1 BILLION BERRY STRONG PEOPLE AND 9 EXECUTIVE LEVEL FIGHTERS
Naw Kaido is top 1 until them Rocks feats drop or until after the next big arc where luffy gets 5 more power ups
Kaido is not even top 10
Lol you got kaido over prime beard & roger?
@@elij2003 yes they haven’t show anything relevant any fight we see them is gets cut off before they do anything we really don’t even know how strong they are we barely know how strong whitebeard was because he was nerfed when he did fight I take feats over statements
@@Trickey2413 he most definitely is top 10 there are definitely not 10 characters stronger than him
@@Reesemike luffy, any admiral, imu, gorosei, mihawk, dragon, old garp, garling. kaido is relative to bigmom who got taken out by two fodder (flaw and shidd).
I think luffy is more powerful with gear 5 and his haki hax but i think kaido would win by just outlasting him
Do you think Kaido could beat alive Madara?
Yes kaido is stronger than that pawn madara.