KENPO vs MUAY THAI.
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2009
- American Kenpo Karate chines x Muay Thai.
Marcio Atalaia Kenpo Karate Chines x Denner Muay Thai luta na regra do Kung fu Wu Shu.
Mega Festival de Artes Marciais em Campo Grande Mato Grosso do Sul Brazil em 29/03/009
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back in the 90's Kenpo was bad ass (amateur ranks) I used to fight in Kickboxing federations and win some while being a kenpoka and it was common place, Recently I've returned and no one does kumite only katas and self-defense... kenpo kumite rules would fall short to Muay Thay but not to kickboxing now it's only point karate and lightcontact like this fight...
Ckeck out Jeff Speakman's Kenpo 5.0 yearly championship in Las Vegas. It is modern American Kenpo with a revised syllabus to include ground-fighting. Full contact with control. Basically MMA rules with responsible referees and without the bloodbath.
fabrizzio monsalve I dont think so,that guy was stylistically kickboxing
Me encanto mucho la pelea .Nuy buena esto me sirve para reflexionar y mejorar algunas cosas yo Practico Kenpo Karate y me encanta creo que a ambos luchadores les falto mostrar mas de cada estilo de pelea aun asi me sirve mucho para mejorar cada vez mas el Kenpo Karate
Thanks
I was considering muay thai because of the simplicity of it compared to kenpo. I have personally learned an art that requires same amount of moves of kenpo. During a fight, I forget most of it. So I wanted to try something more practical & simple like muay thai or boxing.
El boxeo es en definitiva menos complejo , y en cuanto a los puñetazos es mejor
and ... did you have success :D
@@38Tugay Yes
@ThyCrucifier the self defense side of Kenpo uses knees and elbows all the time.
and this was filmed using a potato.
These are the days of 1080p. Why the fuck are we still seeing 240p!?
which do you like & which do you feel is more better (your opinion)
@BushidoCode72 The rules limit them right down to one body pummelling another which is wonderful in it's own way. When push comes to shove most martial arts don't work because their students have never been shoved before. The only way to teach somebody to use those moves under pressure is to teach them under pressure. It took me a month of black eyes and a repeatedly bloody nose to learn to catch a jab and pull it for a hip toss. Painful, but worth it, it works under pressure.
Too many people do not realize that it is not the art itself that should be critiqued, but the individual practicing it. People should respect all martial arts, and the people who created them. So many disrespectful "partial artists" on youtube.
@ELNDJ including elbows and knees?
@wingman2424 What belt?
kenpo fighters keep a little distance between their opponent and dont like to get in close to the point of grappling ! i have been told this by black belt uncle whose very experienced and i also have another uncle whose 3rd dan black belt who was a former body builder ! fuck i want to do kenpo its a very good martial art
But the problem is... Even if you can't use the "deadly" Kenpo techniques in tournaments the body dynamics should still be valid. You don't see anything that resembles a kenpo technique in any kenpo sparring footage. Why?
Agree. Kenpo sparring looks nothing like how they slap each other
mejores peleas son las de maestro , contra mastro eso si se puede admirara osh
BXNyhardstyle Which style of kempo are you in, 'cause I do kempo as well, and we have techniques that require us to kick to the head.
Why does the ref keep stopping the fight
the kenpo is always better but it can be used in its totality in figths likes this cause it have very letal attacks that can kill the other figther
@SammySlim512 absolutely correct sir. am doing krav maga (mind you it is not a marcial art) and we are always taught that de-escalation is key and sometimes it is better to walk away rather than proving something.
@stevenwithyomomma Why thank ya!
@Thaddeus9709 did the win the fight?.
whats the need to go to the ground
Exactly! =]
Muay Thai, donde?
I only did a few days of Muay Thai and even i can tell you that isnt MT. Looks more MMA inspired. Muay Thai practitioners guard higher with their hands and dance.
What country?
Brazil
PLEASE get these guys into a MMA ring!
I don't know much about American Kenpo but it seems like the Muay Thai guy isn't using elbows and knees. If that is the agreed upon rules that's fine but it's not a true representation of one style against the other as suggested in the title of the video.
@asmith73TCB actually there is a kempo fighter in mma
@2006canna It usually is better to walk away. Why isn't Krav Maga not a martial art?
típico cuando un peleador de Muay Thai gana dicen " Muay Thai es lo mejor que hay" pero si pierde " uuuuu eso no es Muay Thai uuuu" dejen de llorar y comprendan no es el estilo es el peleador y de la forma que a este lo han preparado
@student908065 - It is not the art that makes the individual, it is the other way around.
Whats the use of this fight when you don't allow the MT guy to knee and elbow you already tied one hand. It is like MT guy giving the other guy a handicap! Is it so proud to win this type of fight.
@ELNDJ difference is mentality. muay thai kind of focuses on destroying the other guy's body and hardening yours
claro que en kenpo entrenamos eso, en todas las artes marciales se entrena tambien el recibir golpes, nunca se sabe, ademas el sparring se supone no es con otda la fuerza o si?
because this was posted in 2009
not only that, muay thai elbow and knees are used to end fights, cuz of their power, they open to many oportunities for oponent to kick you...so good muay thai fighter uses his low kicks to make oponent "soft" so he can end him.. :)
He can't actually use kenpo, man. The other guy would have 3 or 4 broken limbs in seconds.
Epic SaveRoom that's bullshit, in the UFC there are broken limbs, but no Kempo fighters? If you dont think Thai fighters can't kill or hurt people your mistaken
@BXNYhardstyle What the hell are you talkin about? I've trained in traditional Kenpo for 7 years now and most of our kicks target the head, solarplexus, and ribs.
With all due respect, Kenpo does work and I cannot think of a reason why would anyone use a Kenpo technique during a tournament. Most Kenpo Techniques involve seriously injuring a person or striking the groin. If you have studied Kenpo you should know this. For example, when performing Kimono Grab one is breaking both of the aggressor's arms and striking his throat. When using Sword Hammer you strike both the throat and groin and these are novice techniques. So get your facts straight next time.
@rentz46 Kenpo works...but not in mma its a street art.....if you doubt it have the balls to attack a kenpo guy on the street with no rules
There was 480p in 2009
I NEVER SEEN MUAYTHAI
@quezada666 Everybody needs more training, it's the wonderful thing about chasing perfection!
@rentz46 ive been doing okinawan kenpo for 5 years now if you think its garbage we should spar and find out for certain.
if u see the open of inter the dragon u c the kenpo glove bruce lee is wearing
so he can still use the finger tec why don't martial artist ues them glove any more
is better than boxing gloves!
whos is who??
omer kishanov white top is muay thai (due to his stance and fighting style) and black is kenpo (that's why he tends to have a wider stance and a bigger variety of kicking styles)...also i must mention, the white top has a good ground impound meaning he may have some other martial art skills aside from muay thai
In alot of sparring competitions you can barely use any elbows.
1 solo comentario esos kempos en la calle no durarian tanto no se engañen muchachos el Maestro parker estaria presente los patearia por malos
Solid fight. Don't understand the rules, but i want the black pants with me in an alley.
It's funny cause i just sparred full contact with a guy who told me he trained kenpo for 7 years and he had some lightning fast hands, but then i got him with one good punch to the ribs and knocked the wind right out of him haha. He was definitely quick but it seemed like they had never conditioned his stomache to take many body shots in training
damn this comment is old
@pimpmupppet ahh... muay thai is mostly all knees and elbows :/
@FYMFLBISS1 I dont think...I know. A Kenpoist may be able to spar...but the techniques they learn..are not evident in a sparring session. They end up just throwing straight punches and an over reaching round houses. When they train with each other, yeah i see checks, speed, delayed swords, triggered salute...but in a sparring session...i dont see that. I took Kenpo. I found that a solid straight forward hard style is more useful ( to me) than soft circular styles. Prove me wrong.
Also a Kenpo practitioner for 10 yrs, & found the exact same thing to be true.
depends too much to train for self defense? or to participate in tonnes? I wonder if unfortunately you get to fight in the street would take it to your opponent to the floor? I doubt it just because your opponent always alone and never will dance on your body to go to the floor, in conclusion, the MMA, only works in the ring and referee and only 1 on 1, Kenpo, Karate and Kung Fu, or Judo, are really what every person must learn for personal defense.
PARECE una pelea CALLEJERA, MAS RAPIDO ,PARA GANAR UN BUEN BALAZO Y SE ACABA RAPIDO ,CON LOS BRABUCONES....
I don't know how they considered that a win? must be some point system.
on the streets keno would win...its the most deadly martial art in the world...i took it for about 2 years i was a puple belt and the first move i learned as a white belt broke someones coller bone
@kdolo100 Oh...
depende tambien mucho para que entrenas, para defensa personal ?? o para participar en toneos ?? pregunto yo si por desgracia te toca pelear en la calle lo llevarias a tu oponente al piso?? lo dudo simplemente ya que siempre tu contrincante nunca esta solo y bailarian sobre tu cuerpo al ir al piso, en conclusion el MMA, solo funciona en un ring y con arbitro y solo 1 contra 1, el Kenpo, el Karate o Kung Fu, o Judo, son realmente lo que toda persona debe aprender para una defensa personal.
Más equivocado no puedes estar,si crees que las MMA solo te enseñan a derribar.
Claramente en su nombre está explícito Artes Marciales Mixtas,esto significa que aprendas varias, ejemplo: karate, jujitsu,Muay Thai,judo,etc.
1 sola arte marcial hoy en día no es eficiente ni eficaz para defenderse ya que casi todas las artes marciales por separado tienen alguna debilidad sea de pie o en el piso.
Dirty move @7:39?
and the muay thai guy keeps locking his knee out that is horrible ouch damn
Nossa como a falta de atenção é grande nessa mundo.
Eu avisei que tem um lutador de kenpo e um de muay-thai sò que eles estão lutando na regra do wushu é isso.
Não é muay e nem kenpo e sim lutadores.
Mas quem quiser fazer um treino comigo para monstrar o seu potencial é só chegar e será bem vindo!
( 067) 9 9627-48-23 Brasil.
Ficarei aguardando os mestres que sabem tudo para me ensinar!
@ofomatheblackbelt who? The only guy who has every been really success is Bart Val he is old school EPK black belt but he had to drop all of the kenpo from his fighting and just use shooto which is mauy thai styled kickboxing and catch grappling.....Keith Hackney was not a good kenpo rep in the UFC. Kenpo is awesome but because its techniques are about tearing apart your attacker it would be to hard to make it work in the cage so anyone who fights in mma has to use what works BJJ, Muay thai
Are you sure that muay thai guy wasnt jui jitsu?
thats what i was thinking. can kenpo be used as a sport, i mean all i've seen was throat, groin and face rupturing lol
Put kenmpo against trafitionsl thai of muay lert rir and you will see
Chuy Delgado why?
Kenpo Karate in itself for me is not a martial sport and the benefits this system can not therefore be produced in this constellation. Kenpo was developed as a self-defense and street fighting system then and I believe should also be applied to Sun.
funny how kenpo is not designed for the ring but for street fighting, every technique is meant to take someone out instantly
Yet he got his ass beat
estoy hablando de competencias¡¡¡ nada mas relajate,,
You cant say it wasn't fair on the MT guy, he chose to enter a comp with that rule set.
thats a gracie jiu jitsu rashguard the "muay thai" fighter has on..
@talon115 Because Kenpo is a theory..it does not work.
las artes marciales que necesitan hacer exhibición de combates no me simpatizan , así solo se fomenta el ego. la verdadera competencia es con uno mismo dia a dia , en tratar de ser mejor que ayer.
+El Nando mejores peleas son las de maestro , contra mastro eso si se puede admirara osh
El Nando anda a cagar
the mauy thai guy did a take down.lol
bottom line kenpo can not be used effectively in mma or kickboxing it is a street survival art used for extreme situations......you would be defanging/clawing the tiger. there are more effective arts for competition such as kyokushin, enshin, ashiharra, mauy thai and good old american karate such as joe lewis style karate.
Yeah i suppose different ppl teach and learn it differently. Most American MA places are all about the money and don't teach their students shit lol at least that's what i've seen. But i'm sure there are kempo places that are the real deal. But then again, it's mostly about the fighter, not the martial art. The friend i mentioned in my comment probably didn't train too hard
i guess he throws thai style kicks, but he looks so afraid to engage that the rest doesnt even look like maui thai at all.
oye no hay punto de comparacion entre el muay thay y el kempo jajaj pero k tipo de muay thay es ese???jajaja yo soy peleador de muay thay y a ese peleador de kempo le hubiese quebrado sus costillas si k me hubiese tokado jajjaaja
La neta yo pensé lo mismo que pesimo peleador de muay tai es incluso si fuera aprendiz que malo es solo intenta derribarlo como si fuera mma
too many rules in this sort of competition.
regardless of the system or style, most REAL fights happen within arms length or "inside". All styles/systems have techniques to deal with inside fighting (which do not include grappling, although the clinch is inevitable) It's the fighter, not the style/system that determines the outcome of a fight. Even in tournament, you inevitably end up in close as this fight proves. Just my opinion.
@stevenwithyomomma lolwut? kenpo lethal, you serious? It is an art and is only slightly better than wushu techniques. If you bring art to a fist fight, you are just asking to get your ass killed. Unless of course if we're talking about Japanese Kenpo, in that case Kenpo wins hands down. As you can see this video is using the American version of Kenpo, which is generally pure suckage.
Who ever is doing Muay Thai needs help real bad
ninguno es muai thaai jiles
Guarda baixa da porra...devia ter sido nocauteado
MUAY THAI WINS! -.-
that is not kenpo and is not muay thai...just arre to sport people figthing with out technic...only a couple of kids....just that.. they dont follw our martial art
ambos pelean muy mal
@jadeezy21 That doesn't change the fact that American Kenpo is worthless in self defense and combat.
That Muay Thai chap is so flat footed. disgraceful.
Puro kenpo
After hearing how "deadly" kenpo is touted to be, I'm surprised at how ineffective and crappy it was in that match. The kenpo guy was easily taken down multiple times and if the "muay thai" guy knew how to finish or even ground and pound, the kenpo dude would have been knocked right out. Not to mention, you didn't see any of the hundreds of flashy kenpo techniques pulled off in that fight. What a waste of training time learning garbage you will never be able to use when needed.
As an American Kenpo practitioner for 10 yrs, I agree 100%!
He didn't use the HadoKen from Street Fighter that's why.
Wei Chi Ryu if you want something deadly
You can't be serious, one of the most deadliest martial art vs crappy kenpo? Really?
no comparen el thai boxing con kenpo karate porfavor........ kenpo > thai boxing
@Deoblo61369
do you do Kenpo? No you don't so don't be saying things like he has no honor.. have a bit of respect you fool
boxing gloves !!! thats a waste of time !!!
Hablas como si fuera muy facil, y de seguro ni sabes lo que es el kenpo, sea "competencia" o no, creeme que a vos te romperian las costillas con esa actitud, el muay thay es espectacular, al igual que mi querido Kempo, asi que mejor informate antes de hablar
el kenpo gano por lejos!!!
esa pelea estaba arreglada!!!
estafadores!!!!
ese no es un verdadero peleador de muai thai
+karim eduardo ninguno de los dos
the kenpo guy has no honor
that muay thai fighter sucks, he dont even use knee's or elbows
que asco!!!
+miguel mella vera si
+miguel mella vera mejores peleas son las de maestro , contra mastro eso si se puede admirara osh