@@graceskerp yeah definitely an older sister. Their chemistry is too combative and snappy for her to be a foster mom. He’d have more respect for her if that’s how they met…….. but you can tell they started out as equals and Jed got promoted and promoted and while she respected his offices she never stopped being his big sister. she’s his only non blood relatives alive that isnt beneath him him rank. This allows her to keep his keep his ego in check and essentially be his conscience like when deciding when to run for re-election or not. Also respect to her for dedicating her career to helping Jed’s because she saw the greatness in him and knew it be worth it. She played a horribly abusive foster mom in Buffy that causes so much pain in her victims they created a poltergeist, and yet her portrayal of this human monster that creates supernatural monsters is very interesting. She’s not mean, nasty or even threatening. She’s sweet and warm and honestly believed she was a good woman who was helping ‘her children’ An incredibly talented actor, under appreciating and under used but well always remember the variety of characters she played and how well she did so. RIP 20/6/1939 - 02/06/2012 Do not stand at my grave and weep I am not there; I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond glints on snow, I am the sun on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush I am the swift uplifting rush Of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the soft stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there; I did not die.
@@brontewcat _"Sadly your safe car won’t protect you from other unsafe drivers."_ Depends on what she meant with "safe", and on _how_ badly the other driver hit her. I still remember that one Volvo model got a _reprimand_ for being _too_ tough, it crushed most other cars (with only "superficial" damage to the Volvo) far too much due to it's own stability 🤣
I recall very much feeling personally saddened by the death of this character and very much feeling, personally, a sense of being wronged on behalf of these characters due to the manner and circumstance of the death of this character. She spent her entire life making an intelligent, gifted, empathetic boy with a good sense of right and wrong into the most powerful public servant in the world and in service to him and the citizenry of the nation and along the way lost her own sons to combat service on behalf of that same nation, lost her husband, surely gave up on at least one of her personal goals or dreams, surely self limited her own potential, never sought praise or enrichment, never even had her own new car once in her life until that late date in her life....and lost her life, in that very car, on the very afternoon of it's purchase while driving back to The White House at the earlier stated request of the President to continue that very same personal sacrifice and service that were the hallmarks of her life. What a fine, strong, kind, giving, caring soul. What a grand lady. What a terrible, awful shame. And, of course, what a character and what exquisite writing.
Sir, the exquisite writer from where I sit is you. That was one of the most moving tributes to a fictional character I’ve ever read. I myself loved Mrs. Landingham and recognized her as the stealthy matronly type we’ve all been fortunate to encounter in our lives who without pressure or scolding find a way to influence our own character if we are intelligent enough to allow their interest in us to take root. Bravo.
I know this is old and I join in with the others who said you did well in representing her... but I do have to take exception and rise to Mrs. Landingham's defense on one point: "self-limiting her own potential". I don't agree with that. Not only considering the very fine qualities that you yourself stated so eloquently, but the personal secretary to The President of The United States of America? That doesn't seem like a post to be scoffed at in my opinion.
I've always felt that this is the first time he's called her "Delores" in forty years. And the image of he sees in the next episode calls him "Jed" as she would not have done in as long a time. 😢
The true brilliance of the acting is they both know what's coming but there is not a hitch in the voice, not a red eye, nothing to telegraph to the audience what is about to happen.
"Do me a favor would ya?" He later takes his anger out on his god, but deep down Jed blames himself for her death and he always would. He asked her to drive it back to the White House. Had she just gone straight home she probably wouldn't have died. At least not then. At least not because of him. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I rather imagine that's what tortured Jed through the speech to his god in Two Cathedrals. He's shouting at the rafters but he's really demonizing himself, and it's torture just to watch him do that to himself. Such a good series. Especially the first four seasons. Especially here.
It wasn't just her death that tortured him. He thought his lying about having MS is what caused the carrier group to be taken out by a hurricane, for Josh to be shot and almost killed, and for Mrs. Landingham to be killed by a drunk driver. He thought he was never supposed to win the presidency and that Hoynes was. It's why at the end of his speech he says "you'll get Hoynes!" It's what the "vision" of Mrs. Landingham was there for, to help him understand he won because of the good he could do, to stop blaming himself for everything, and do what he was meant to do.
"Wouldn't have". My mom always tell me that if his grandfather would't have died, he would be alive. This is one big thruth of life but it takes us years to accept it, and even after we have accepted it, we need to be remind of it sometimes.
The way he’s ready to tell her about MS… it’s like he was both fearful and relieved that he could finally tell her. (And that he valued telling her before the public/the interviews)
A nice little subplot about Mrs landingham paying sticker price....and then Bartlett says “come back here after you pick it up....”. And my heart dropped,...
Especially with the added bit "I'd like to talk to you about something." In a show, you either talk about things right then or you don't. If you say you're going to talk about something later, or go out for a drink later, or even see each other later, that's a clear sign that "later" isn't going to happen.
I loved The West Wing. It broke my heart when Delores Landingham was killed right after she got her new car. Her character was one of great importance to me.
I already knew something was going to happen since I read about each of the actors. I noticed that Kathryn Joosten only had two seasons under her belt, so something was probably going to happen to Mrs. Landingham. My parents, on the other hand, knew immediately that something was going to happen when this scene came up, but they didn't know it was going to be bad until they saw Charlie's face when he gets the call. My mom gasped. My dad just said, "Nooo." It might be just a show, but when a character stands out like Mrs. Landingham, it still affects you.
Compare Mrs. Landingham’s effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety in getting something off list price for a car, even though she clearly knew that it was specifically spelled out in the law that it was allowable, with those that would accept vacations and real estate deals worth thousands of dollars and not even feel they have to report them.
Stephanie Gittinger yeah when he was shot the First Lady mentioned that several people knew about it. I’m sure the lady who’s known him all his life knew.
I'd guess she'd have had to know, given that she was the one who did his typing, etc for him and would recognize what was "normal" for him and what wasn't.
This was the first shocking and heartbreaking TV death I saw. With how tense the last couple episodes of season 2 are…… this was so devastating, it’s perfectly executed.
the saddest night I have yet experienced it was after 10pm here in Australia September 11 2001, 18th and Potomac was halfway through Mrs. Landingham" car accident happened the NEWS broke of the first Plane... we didn’t get to se the end of the episode until 2 months later the cross over between art and reality was unnerving
0:36 love her integrity. She holds herself to a higher standard even if it means that she can't experience some of the luxuries her country has to offer.
Other people have said this but it's brilliant how their last conversation is a casual one. Every time people have deep meaningful conversations before their sudden death it's so unrealistic.
So sad. She never made it back to White House 😪.. hrs last time seeing her ☹️.. she’s been a big sister and almost a mom to him since his school days when his dad was headmaster and she worked for dad.
He asks her to come back to the office, she could have gone home and sleep and be back the next day, but his loyal friend came back to show him her car new fruit of her labor. Man, no wonder he was mad and hurting like crazy afterwards. While Jed is an astoundingly arrogant man, he has always been faithful to god and the church. But this? This felt personal to him an affront to all common sense and religious promises and he was mad at god
Mrs. Landingham was one of my favorite characters on the show. It was devastating when she died. While I liked Lily Tomlin's "Debbie" she just didn't measure up to Delores.
I don't think she was supposed to. Mrs Landingham was someone who essentially treated President Bartlett like another son. Debbie was more of the older sister vibe.
@@SaiSivakumar I wouldn't put it quite like that. Mrs Landingham was more like an older sister, as was emphasized in 'Two Cathedrals'. The relationship was played as being one with a lot of history and warmth. With Debbie, it was a more mischievous relationship with more banter since Debbie had a sharper wit. And both relationships were great in their own way.
I always thought that it was an unspoken thing between them. She did know him since he was in high school, I doubt it Jed could, or would, keep it a secret from her.
@@angusperson4222 it wasn't. When Toby tells Donna, he makes it very clear - "Mrs. Landingham doesn't know." It's why the president wanted her to come back that night, so he could tell her. And as we see the relationship between Mrs. Landingham and Jed start to grow in the next episode, it's very clear she wouldn't have been upset about the MS. She'd have been mad at him for keeping it a secret and would tell him to make it right.
I wonder if the cast knew the direction the writers were taking this. When in the tv show MASH the cast didn’t know about how Henry Blake was going to written off until they got the script.....
no one knew except for Gary Burgoff, it wasn't in the other scripts that were distributed. The director wanted a 'real' reaction for the doctors in the last scene, and they sure got it.
Old timers never bought new cars. A guy who worked with my Father told me that when he got out of the navy, in 1957. He bought a 1949 Ford model A. He kept that car until 1973. The mechanical brakes could no longer be fixed. It took half a city block to stop the car. I am assuming that that was before disc brakes. Otherwise, he still would have had the car until the 2000’s.
I can’t actually watch this clip. Mrs Landingham was so endearing that I felt a real sense of loss when they killed her off. I think they failed to realise how popular she was.
You might know this already, but the actress( Kathryn Joosten) was auditioning for something else, and Aaron sorkin was looking for something else to get Bartlet crazy, so he decided to kill her off.
Carl Siemens I very much doubt its lack of importance is the reason it wasn't mentioned. Sorkin frequently writes dialogue that doesn't provide essential information.
ASimoneau I know the comment is a year old, but I’ll say this. I bought a car just last week. But bc I’m not so familiar with cars idk what the make and model is. I mean every time I’ve needed to mention it I look at the papers and so I haven’t needed to commit it to memory. Maybe she’s in the same boat as me.
A smoke break killed off Mrs Landingham. (the actress was smoking a cig with Aaron Sorkin and mentioned she was auditioning for another part. And a lightbulb went off in Sorkin's head to kill her off.)
A slightly longer explanation: Sorkin felt he needed Bartlet's faith tested. It wasn't entirely important how but it was important that it happen to go through the arc he needed to decide to run again. As he was puzzling out how to create that scenario, the aforementioned smoke break happened and the lightbulb went off...
There was that scene in season 3 in New Hampshire, where Governor Bartlet calls Mrs. Landingham a "Crusty New England Relic". Leos's hearing before congress. ruclips.net/video/O94qAeJ64X8/видео.html 1:14
The last seven episodes of Season 2, starting from the "Big Wheel of Cheese" episode to Two Cathedrals is phenomenal. Do yourselves a favor and watch them before it's gone from NF. It's not like you have anything else to do! 😉
If Bartlett had not told her to come back to the White House (to reveal to her that he had concealed his MS), she never would have been at 17th and Potomac at the time of the accident. They never mention it, but the President knows that, even though he is not responsible, she never would have been there, but for him. “Fate is such a witty little mutherfucker.” - Spider Robinson
That's why Jed is so pissed off. She died because he asked her to come back to tell her about the MS. I always thought he just wanted to see the car. If he hadn't lied, he wouldn't have needed to tell her and she'd be alive. Ouch. No wonder he feels like God is punishing him. I missed that all these years.
I hate that her character died but she got offered a role on Desperate Housewives, which she was nominated 3 times and won 2 EMMYS for. Career wise it was the right choice.
A level of integrity missing from the halls of leadership since before Reagan. Might be fiction but we all used to have people we could admire in politics IF you remember that far back lol.
she mentioned to Sorkin during a smoke break that she was auditioning for a different show, he was looking for something to torture Bartlett with and he realized that he should kill her off.
Jed knew nothing about cars! His gravitas was the reason that he asked Mrs.Landingham to bring her new car to the west wing, and in doing so, set in place a chain of events. Basis of many of Sorkins plots. Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc
Some say that it was just random chance that President Bartlet asked her to bring the car back to the White House that resulted in her death. Personally I blame her not getting "the tow package." If she'd have gotten that it might have been ready the day that it was. Charlie warned her...
Young Jed attempts to in a flashback and Mrs. Landingham tells him not to. That's why the line is so significant, for all we know it's the first time in 40 years he's called her Dolores.
I always imagined if she had made it back, that Josh, Sam, Charlie and Toby would have all the doors, truck and hood open checking out the car while Leo and the President looked on. Mrs. L, Donna, Margaret and Abby would have been standing there in disbelief! I think it would have been a funny moment. 🙂
It’s Abbey Bartlet, played by Stockard Channing. But since Mrs. Landingham was so close to the President, she was making sure she didn’t do anything wrong or questionable, which could cause backlash for him or the White House.
It could have been written so that the drunk driver hit her while she was driving home, but Jed's request as part of the chain of events gains significance gains dramatic significance as he questions his faith in the next "Two Cathedrals" episode (which I think won an Emmy). If your question has an answer, it's there.
Part of me is convinced that if she did beat him up the secret service wouldn't do anything out of fear.
That's always the way isn't it. A casual conversation, never knowing it's the last one you'll ever have.
Now add to it that he told her to come back to the white house, wonder if he blames himself for her death any.
Matisaro in that moment, with Bartlet feeling sorry for himself, I’m sure he did.
Yeah
Yeah it happens every day 😒
Mrs Landingham is probably the only woman who’s able to talk to Jed the way Abbey talks to him. I miss her …
In many ways she was his foster mom.
there is Debbie
@@graceskerp In the flashbacks she said he didn’t have a big sister & he needed one.
@@graceskerp yeah definitely an older sister.
Their chemistry is too combative and snappy for her to be a foster mom.
He’d have more respect for her if that’s how they met…….. but you can tell they started out as equals and Jed got promoted and promoted and while she respected his offices she never stopped being his big sister. she’s his only non blood relatives alive that isnt beneath him him rank.
This allows her to keep his keep his ego in check and essentially be his conscience like when deciding when to run for re-election or not.
Also respect to her for dedicating her career to helping Jed’s because she saw the greatness in him and knew it be worth it.
She played a horribly abusive foster mom in Buffy that causes so much pain in her victims they created a poltergeist, and yet her portrayal of this human monster that creates supernatural monsters is very interesting. She’s not mean, nasty or even threatening. She’s sweet and warm and honestly believed she was a good woman who was helping ‘her children’
An incredibly talented actor, under appreciating and under used but well always remember the variety of characters she played and how well she did so.
RIP 20/6/1939 - 02/06/2012
Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sun on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there; I did not die.
You... miss her ...
I think the bit that stings the most is when she says "it's very safe". Just that little offhand observation stabs me in the heart.
ArcaneAzmadi "I told them I could roll down the windows but it comes with it anyway" really gets me. She was such a pure character.
@@UndergroundResidu
Damn good acting pulls you in, I miss mrs. Landingham
I hadn’t thought about that. Sadly your safe car won’t protect you from other unsafe drivers.
@@brontewcat _"Sadly your safe car won’t protect you from other unsafe drivers."_
Depends on what she meant with "safe", and on _how_ badly the other driver hit her. I still remember that one Volvo model got a _reprimand_ for being _too_ tough, it crushed most other cars (with only "superficial" damage to the Volvo) far too much due to it's own stability 🤣
I recall very much feeling personally saddened by the death of this character and very much feeling, personally, a sense of being wronged on behalf of these characters due to the manner and circumstance of the death of this character. She spent her entire life making an intelligent, gifted, empathetic boy with a good sense of right and wrong into the most powerful public servant in the world and in service to him and the citizenry of the nation and along the way lost her own sons to combat service on behalf of that same nation, lost her husband, surely gave up on at least one of her personal goals or dreams, surely self limited her own potential, never sought praise or enrichment, never even had her own new car once in her life until that late date in her life....and lost her life, in that very car, on the very afternoon of it's purchase while driving back to The White House at the earlier stated request of the President to continue that very same personal sacrifice and service that were the hallmarks of her life. What a fine, strong, kind, giving, caring soul. What a grand lady. What a terrible, awful shame. And, of course, what a character and what exquisite writing.
Sir, the exquisite writer from where I sit is you. That was one of the most moving tributes to a fictional character I’ve ever read. I myself loved Mrs. Landingham and recognized her as the stealthy matronly type we’ve all been fortunate to encounter in our lives who without pressure or scolding find a way to influence our own character if we are intelligent enough to allow their interest in us to take root. Bravo.
She is bespoke of loyalty to the man and country he serves.
@@michaelmccauley648 Completely agree. And again - Bravo.
Oh, my god. I didn’t know she died. That’s horrible.
I know this is old and I join in with the others who said you did well in representing her... but I do have to take exception and rise to Mrs. Landingham's defense on one point: "self-limiting her own potential". I don't agree with that. Not only considering the very fine qualities that you yourself stated so eloquently, but the personal secretary to The President of The United States of America? That doesn't seem like a post to be scoffed at in my opinion.
Love the "secret service would have you down like a calf in a rodeo"- Brilliantly written and delivered so deadpan!
I've always felt that this is the first time he's called her "Delores" in forty years. And the image of he sees in the next episode calls him "Jed" as she would not have done in as long a time. 😢
The true brilliance of the acting is they both know what's coming but there is not a hitch in the voice, not a red eye, nothing to telegraph to the audience what is about to happen.
"Do me a favor would ya?" He later takes his anger out on his god, but deep down Jed blames himself for her death and he always would. He asked her to drive it back to the White House. Had she just gone straight home she probably wouldn't have died. At least not then. At least not because of him. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I rather imagine that's what tortured Jed through the speech to his god in Two Cathedrals. He's shouting at the rafters but he's really demonizing himself, and it's torture just to watch him do that to himself. Such a good series. Especially the first four seasons. Especially here.
It wasn't just her death that tortured him. He thought his lying about having MS is what caused the carrier group to be taken out by a hurricane, for Josh to be shot and almost killed, and for Mrs. Landingham to be killed by a drunk driver. He thought he was never supposed to win the presidency and that Hoynes was. It's why at the end of his speech he says "you'll get Hoynes!" It's what the "vision" of Mrs. Landingham was there for, to help him understand he won because of the good he could do, to stop blaming himself for everything, and do what he was meant to do.
@@jasonkoch3182 He sure helped those babies to be ripped from the womb in Amerika. Oh, it's fictional....oh...
"Wouldn't have". My mom always tell me that if his grandfather would't have died, he would be alive. This is one big thruth of life but it takes us years to accept it, and even after we have accepted it, we need to be remind of it sometimes.
The way he’s ready to tell her about MS… it’s like he was both fearful and relieved that he could finally tell her. (And that he valued telling her before the public/the interviews)
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised he didn't tell her when he was diagnosed. She's known him longer than Abby has.
This scene breaks my heart. Every. Damn. Time.
Knowing now what happens, is painful. The love and respect that these two have is what all of us could use.
“Caesar’s wife must be above reproach.” Oh Dolores you loyal old lady.
Ah, Kathryn Joosten. You gave us so much in all your roles. May you rest in peace.
Secret service would have you down like a calf at a rodeo. Best line ever...
A nice little subplot about Mrs landingham paying sticker price....and then Bartlett says “come back here after you pick it up....”. And my heart dropped,...
Especially with the added bit "I'd like to talk to you about something." In a show, you either talk about things right then or you don't. If you say you're going to talk about something later, or go out for a drink later, or even see each other later, that's a clear sign that "later" isn't going to happen.
I loved The West Wing. It broke my heart when Delores Landingham was killed right after she got her new car. Her character was one of great importance to me.
I already knew something was going to happen since I read about each of the actors. I noticed that Kathryn Joosten only had two seasons under her belt, so something was probably going to happen to Mrs. Landingham. My parents, on the other hand, knew immediately that something was going to happen when this scene came up, but they didn't know it was going to be bad until they saw Charlie's face when he gets the call. My mom gasped. My dad just said, "Nooo." It might be just a show, but when a character stands out like Mrs. Landingham, it still affects you.
Compare Mrs. Landingham’s effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety in getting something off list price for a car, even though she clearly knew that it was specifically spelled out in the law that it was allowable, with those that would accept vacations and real estate deals worth thousands of dollars and not even feel they have to report them.
Certain members of the real-life Supreme Court come to my mind when I read the last part of your comment.
Remember the time with loved ones may be your last. She even mentioned it somewhat about her boys. What a classy lady.
It always hurts to know he never got to tell her about the M.S.
ok now that was unnecessary
Melspjr Pretty sure she knew, after all he was with her for most of his life.
I think it's mentioned at some point that she actually knew.
Stephanie Gittinger yeah when he was shot the First Lady mentioned that several people knew about it. I’m sure the lady who’s known him all his life knew.
I'd guess she'd have had to know, given that she was the one who did his typing, etc for him and would recognize what was "normal" for him and what wasn't.
"Because you never had a big sister and ya need one."
This was the first shocking and heartbreaking TV death I saw.
With how tense the last couple episodes of season 2 are…… this was so devastating, it’s perfectly executed.
Such an innocent moment before everything fell apart.
It’s how he calls her “Delores”…it breaks my heart
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I like to think this was the first time since Jed’s youth he’s ever called Mrs Landingham by her first name …
"Oh sir, surely you have better things to do than annoy me."
"Never."
And I'm certain he meant it 100%.
❤❤❤
the saddest night I have yet experienced it was after 10pm here in Australia September 11 2001, 18th and Potomac was halfway through Mrs. Landingham" car accident happened the NEWS broke of the first Plane... we didn’t get to se the end of the episode until 2 months later the cross over between art and reality was unnerving
0:36 love her integrity. She holds herself to a higher standard even if it means that she can't experience some of the luxuries her country has to offer.
Other people have said this but it's brilliant how their last conversation is a casual one.
Every time people have deep meaningful conversations before their sudden death it's so unrealistic.
She was a hero.
"This car is gonna feel good." Fuck me.
So sad. She never made it back to White House 😪.. hrs last time seeing her ☹️.. she’s been a big sister and almost a mom to him since his school days when his dad was headmaster and she worked for dad.
LOVE Mrs.Landingham💟💟💟
He asks her to come back to the office, she could have gone home and sleep and be back the next day, but his loyal friend came back to show him her car new fruit of her labor. Man, no wonder he was mad and hurting like crazy afterwards. While Jed is an astoundingly arrogant man, he has always been faithful to god and the church. But this? This felt personal to him an affront to all common sense and religious promises and he was mad at god
i wish we had been able to see her again, driving her brand new car😢
This episode's ending and the whole of the next episode - was a true tear jerker...
Mrs. Landingham was one of my favorite characters on the show. It was devastating when she died. While I liked Lily Tomlin's "Debbie" she just didn't measure up to Delores.
I don't think she was supposed to. Mrs Landingham was someone who essentially treated President Bartlett like another son. Debbie was more of the older sister vibe.
@@SaiSivakumar I wouldn't put it quite like that. Mrs Landingham was more like an older sister, as was emphasized in 'Two Cathedrals'. The relationship was played as being one with a lot of history and warmth. With Debbie, it was a more mischievous relationship with more banter since Debbie had a sharper wit. And both relationships were great in their own way.
It hurts to know she probably would have been 100% fine with the MS.
She would have just asked why he didn’t tell her sooner.
I always thought that it was an unspoken thing between them. She did know him since he was in high school, I doubt it Jed could, or would, keep it a secret from her.
@@angusperson4222 it wasn't. When Toby tells Donna, he makes it very clear - "Mrs. Landingham doesn't know." It's why the president wanted her to come back that night, so he could tell her. And as we see the relationship between Mrs. Landingham and Jed start to grow in the next episode, it's very clear she wouldn't have been upset about the MS. She'd have been mad at him for keeping it a secret and would tell him to make it right.
I think Mrs. Landingham was my favorite character in the whole show, followed by Ron Butterfield.
I found it amazingly funny when he refers to her as "Mammy Yokum". For those of us greybeards who remember Li'l Abner that line is just hilarious
and the Toonerville Trolley and Fearless Fosdick.
She respected him and also new his foibles. Honest to a tee, never to a fault.
I wonder if the cast knew the direction the writers were taking this. When in the tv show MASH the cast didn’t know about how Henry Blake was going to written off until they got the script.....
no one knew except for Gary Burgoff, it wasn't in the other scripts that were distributed. The director wanted a 'real' reaction for the doctors in the last scene, and they sure got it.
In real life. She was only a year older than Martin Sheen. That is great acting.
"It's the smell of Freedom."
“And the chemicals they spray on the dashboard.”
Old timers never bought new cars. A guy who worked with my Father told me that when he got out of the navy, in 1957. He bought a 1949 Ford model A. He kept that car until 1973. The mechanical brakes could no longer be fixed. It took half a city block to stop the car. I am assuming that that was before disc brakes. Otherwise, he still would have had the car until the 2000’s.
Why does she have to die in this senseless way? Life...
NO DON'T DRIVE THE NEW CAR MRS. LANDINGHAM!!!
I can’t actually watch this clip. Mrs Landingham was so endearing that I felt a real sense of loss when they killed her off. I think they failed to realise how popular she was.
You might know this already, but the actress( Kathryn Joosten) was auditioning for something else, and Aaron sorkin was looking for something else to get Bartlet crazy, so he decided to kill her off.
She bought her first new car and you hit her with a drunk driver. What, was that supposed to be funny?
you dont get the reference
@@TheMattHardyFan21 One of the best written and acted scenes ever put on film.
You feckless thug
Yeah, Jed was not at all happy with the deity he worshiped at that moment.
((smothers cigarette)) "You get tRump!"... 😫
I think it's interesting that they went out of their way not to mention the make and model of the car she bought.
ASimoneau
It's not important.
Carl Siemens I very much doubt its lack of importance is the reason it wasn't mentioned. Sorkin frequently writes dialogue that doesn't provide essential information.
I thought she purposely didn't say it,so he wouldn't start on his opion of the make/model.
I feel that she said the things that were important to her... colour, safety, aircon, and the smell of freedom.
ASimoneau I know the comment is a year old, but I’ll say this. I bought a car just last week. But bc I’m not so familiar with cars idk what the make and model is. I mean every time I’ve needed to mention it I look at the papers and so I haven’t needed to commit it to memory. Maybe she’s in the same boat as me.
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Someone should send this to the current administration.
"it's very safe...." D;
Uncertain fate? If he didn’t want her to come back…😢
A smoke break killed off Mrs Landingham. (the actress was smoking a cig with Aaron Sorkin and mentioned she was auditioning for another part. And a lightbulb went off in Sorkin's head to kill her off.)
A slightly longer explanation: Sorkin felt he needed Bartlet's faith tested. It wasn't entirely important how but it was important that it happen to go through the arc he needed to decide to run again. As he was puzzling out how to create that scenario, the aforementioned smoke break happened and the lightbulb went off...
@kitras99 Addiction is a terrible disease to suffer from and I'm sure the actress was a good person who didn't deserve to die of cancer.
That's always the risk with recurring roles.
What I found amazing was that Jed had kept her close since high school.
There was that scene in season 3 in New Hampshire, where Governor Bartlet calls Mrs. Landingham a "Crusty New England Relic". Leos's hearing before congress. ruclips.net/video/O94qAeJ64X8/видео.html 1:14
Just bought a new car and it always makes me think of smell comment.
Sadly this scene leads to one of the saddest.
Tim Moore Which is?
forbes646 if I'm not mistaken she was killed in an a car accident
The last seven episodes of Season 2, starting from the "Big Wheel of Cheese" episode to Two Cathedrals is phenomenal.
Do yourselves a favor and watch them before it's gone from NF.
It's not like you have anything else to do! 😉
If Bartlett had not told her to come back to the White House (to reveal to her that he had concealed his MS),
she never would have been at 17th and Potomac at the time of the accident. They never mention it,
but the President knows that, even though he is not responsible, she never would have been there, but for him.
“Fate is such a witty little mutherfucker.”
- Spider Robinson
That's why Jed is so pissed off. She died because he asked her to come back to tell her about the MS. I always thought he just wanted to see the car. If he hadn't lied, he wouldn't have needed to tell her and she'd be alive. Ouch. No wonder he feels like God is punishing him. I missed that all these years.
I like Mrs. Landingham
That was their last time together. She bought the car and killed in car wreck on the way back to White House 😪
I hate that her character died but she got offered a role on Desperate Housewives, which she was nominated 3 times and won 2 EMMYS for. Career wise it was the right choice.
"No, she's dead."
god they dont make shows like this anymore no lazy writing no cliché humor no cgi just smart writing great actors and steady organic story flow
what a wonderful moment for a great person! excited to see her later in the later seasons, i'm sure she'll be a great character.
What a gal
No, don't come back here. Go straight home! I'll see you tomorrow.
A level of integrity missing from the halls of leadership since before Reagan. Might be fiction but we all used to have people we could admire in politics IF you remember that far back lol.
How can you watch this, . . . knowing. . .
She died never knowing about the MS...
I would like to know if she left or they wrote her out she was wonderful
she mentioned to Sorkin during a smoke break that she was auditioning for a different show, he was looking for something to torture Bartlett with and he realized that he should kill her off.
I can't watch this episode or the one that ends with Bartlett in his office talking with her
When they finally tell Toby, don't they name the 16 people who knew ?
Jed knew nothing about cars! His gravitas was the reason that he asked Mrs.Landingham to bring her new car to the west wing, and in doing so, set in place a chain of events. Basis of many of Sorkins plots. Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc
Every car guy ever I want to kick the tires
Some say that it was just random chance that President Bartlet asked her to bring the car back to the White House that resulted in her death. Personally I blame her not getting "the tow package." If she'd have gotten that it might have been ready the day that it was. Charlie warned her...
She bought her first new car, and you hit her with a drunk driver. What, was that supposed to be funny?
Is this the only time we see Bartlet address her as Dolores?
Young Jed attempts to in a flashback and Mrs. Landingham tells him not to. That's why the line is so significant, for all we know it's the first time in 40 years he's called her Dolores.
Was there a scene where she came back after getting the car and he got to "kick the tires" in the drive way? I musta missed this episode..
No. She never came back.
Shelby Wells sorry. After posting that I put the pieces together. Seeing an old episode scenes out of order messes with the head.
@@ZachsMind no need to be sorry 😊
I always imagined if she had made it back, that Josh, Sam, Charlie and Toby would have all the doors, truck and hood open checking out the car while Leo and the President looked on. Mrs. L, Donna, Margaret and Abby would have been standing there in disbelief! I think it would have been a funny moment. 🙂
Know one ever mentions her comment "caesar wife must be beyond reproach" ..who is his wife???
Madame Crouton.
It’s Abbey Bartlet, played by Stockard Channing. But since Mrs. Landingham was so close to the President, she was making sure she didn’t do anything wrong or questionable, which could cause backlash for him or the White House.
Episode 2x21 18th & Potomac
How dare you?😢
This was a good show
Except for the last 2 seasons
If the President had not asked her to come back the White House,
she never would have been at that intersection.
How do you live with that?
It could have been written so that the drunk driver hit her while she was driving home, but Jed's request as part of the chain of events gains significance gains dramatic significance as he questions his faith in the next "Two Cathedrals" episode (which I think won an Emmy). If your question has an answer, it's there.