Wow I have to say the Polish rescue climbers sound like incredible heroes, holding the tarp for her to sleep then lowering her down by rope. They were so kind when talking about her. I am seriously impressed.
I understand the thrill and the love for a sport. But to consistently risk your life when having a wife and kids at home is crazy to me. My fiancé and kids are the reason I don’t do anything reckless anymore!
Ditto Tyler, my 3 girls and wife mean more to me than anything in this world. I still love to backpack and adventure, but they’re always on top of my mind when it comes to what I do and don’t do.
I was thinking the same thing. Of course I want my partner to enjoy their hobbies, but I would be very upset if they wanted to risk their life and leaving me alone with our children just to pursue a thrill. Do whatever you want when you’re single, but if you have a family who needs you that’s got to be the top priority.
If you read Tomek's biography he's often described as someone who didn't like to prepare too much his expeditions, both physically and logistically, he was a bit of a Yolo climber so I'm not so surprised he was the first to be dealing with montagne sickness
Mountaineering, especially above 8,000 metres has ALWAYS had a high acceptable casualty rate. Getting yourself up and getting yourself back down again is typically close all you can manage, so carrying the dead weight of a collapsed casualty is generally impossible if actual climbing, rather than just walking, is required on the descent. Climbers know this.
Yep, there’s a reason “cleaning crews” go there with helicopters to retrieve bodies, expect the teams to partake in such risk to bring down the remains is beyond selfish.
@@biazacha agreed 100%. If ever I climbed an 8,000er (unlikely, but you never know) I'd be horrified by the thought of people risking death to get me down. I find the expeditions to recover the bodies of rich westerners pretty distasteful too, to be honest: when Sherpas and HAPs die in the mountains dragging middle-aged lawyers and financiers up and down the hill their families can't afford to recover them.
Hubris. They also demonstrated intense hubris by choosing to climb a killer mountain in winter when no one had done it before, all without oxygen and without a rescue plan. That being said, Elisabeth is an absolute powerhouse. I hope she is doing well.
@@CptShelby I agree Making it a tourist industry, increases the danger to the Sherpas, and the experienced climbers exponentially When I speak of hubris, I’m talking about the egos of several even experienced mountaineers, who put their own lives, and others in danger, and request to finish the obsession. They all women’s expedition to Annapurna for example. Also, that initial climb on K2️⃣ I watch the documentaries, and I am struck by the eloquence other people telling the story. Even on Annapurna, when conversing with the Basecamp, and knowing they were about to die, their language was resolute, even beautiful. I think that when you undertake that sport or any of your extreme sports, you come to terms with your mortality. I don’t have the courage to do what they do, and never had the physical skill or mental perseverance, even if I had had the desire. But safety always has to come first and it’s one of those jobs of government to create safety rules. Decreasing the number of permits issued seems to be the best start. It’s like when they made it 727, and then the 757 airplanes it only made the “worst air disaster in history “not only in evitable, but ever increasing numbers dead. Seeing dozens of people on that narrow pathway, and then, knowing there will be people passing them coming back, just seems like a tragedy, waiting to write its page in the book.
I was addicted too for many years,my husband was afraid 😂at that time,he thought that maybe starting climbing. No i am not a mountaineer and never will be but i love that stories , so tragic some times,so heroism others,so scary many but i respect their choices.
Also, the decision to leave him was taken because of an extreme snowstorm. The government of Pakistan then advised the rescue mission to not continue, and medical experts on ground confirmed that he was dead because the temperature later dropped to about -70°C.
That may have been an exaggeration, but -40 is still deadly. Either way it's 99% likely he was dead at that point, or would have been by the time they got there many hours later. Even if he wasn't, it would have been impossible for them to treat him, or physically carry him down in those conditions. There's a 50% chance an attempt to get to him in those conditions would have killed the rescuers as well.
Mountaineers are so narcissistic. "I wanna be first this and first that and blah blah blah, if I get stuck I'll just ask someone else to come save me and risk their lives too!!"
Mountaineers are most often saved by other mountaineers as a sign of solidarity and acceptance that their passion is life threatening. Thinking youre better than others cause you prefer to sit on a couch is pretty narcissistic too.
Descending a dangerous mtn. is hard enough, to save someone who is blind n can't walk is about impossible. All pros know this risk! So "We left him" is totally inaccurate. 🙏 He's with Mother Nature, who he loved.
As most people say: "bring oxygen". The highest I've climbed is a 4000m mountain when I was 12. I remember running up the mountain and boy my legs were aching so bad for 5 days after. I didn't understand everything about oxygen and stuff at that time, but I remember it being so tiring. Later, in my 20s I climbed several mountains that were much lower, maybe 3000-3500. One mountain offered 'rich' climbers oxygen for 15 bucks, it was a HUGE silly looking rubber balloon with external cloth material for strength. You would just drag it along as you walked. It was the funniest sight you could see. However, the higher we got, the more tiring it became. I can attest that a few breaths of oxygen just brings you from heavy labored breathing and faintness to re-invigored strength. Since 15 bucks at that time was a lot of money for locals, only a few of us had these giant ridiculous balloons, but near the summit, we'd share it with random people who were struggling. We'd give them 5-10 breaths of it, it just clears up the mind once the oxygen hits you and gives a renewed sense of power.
@@thephotoyak Yes, it was, but as this was a tourist attraction also for NON-CLIMBERS who don't live in Nepal, there were all genders ages 7-70+. Now, for people who don't usually do exercise, climbing stairs, just say 20 flights, is difficult enough especially if you are 'heavier". Also age 60+ non-active individuals also have great difficulty. We bought it because It was this giant balloon and it looked so funny, but just say - again if you don't do aerobic exercise and you got to climb say 2500m, it's not easy, actually it's hard. So just to mention, the reality of 4000m seeming to you is something easy, is actually not for I'd say most people, and shows your clear lack of understanding of climbing. Anyways, another great part was you didn't have to climb down, again if you had money. They had this I'd say > 3km cable car down, that was so scenic, absolutely awesome. I've been an avid camper, hiker and outdoorsey person. Okay, maybe above avg: several ~7 day trail hike excursions with 20kg+ backpack, cycling +1000km tours, too numerous to count 3+ day hikes and hundreds of day hikes), and travelled the world, and I'm going to go out and say, 4000m isn't just a walk in the park, esp. if you have to climb more than 1500m, and usually it's not just straight up, it's up and down, and up up up and down, etc.
@sillyak yeahh I mean u can easily climb until 7500 meters with proper acclimatization, however you can still get altitude sickness at 4000 meters if you don't acclimatize
@@PhilAndersonOutside yes, I thought that was very obvious. I just wanted to say that people that haven't gone climbing don't understand the difference between having oxygen and not having oxygen, even at 3500m, it's a huge difference (for anyone, beginner or experienced). Many people who haven't done much climbing or dream of it, I wanted to give some context as to actually how "normal" people will feel even at 3500m. It's shortness of breath just walking leisurely on flat trail, and it's funny, you're panting and you don't know why.
climbing in winter session on killer mountain doesn't solve your problem in your life. Rather a heartbreak to your family and friends# stay safe stay wise#
Do you speaking about youself?Respect yourself of having boring life and jobs and dont have a gut to change it..I have a great respect for a rescue team
Striking out after failing 7x makes me wonder if Thomas wasn't obsessed with the mountain. I hope that he found peace in the hearafter. Rest his soul . But to be frozen for eternity on the hill that took his soul. I just don't know. I do know mountain climbers are just different. Tough people.
I live in pakistan and there is a story in which a german family climed the mountain.unfortunatly only the little girl with gold earrings survived.there were two mountain guides and one of them went to check on them but instead stole everything from the dead family and ended up breaking his arm while going down instead of helping the trapped girl in the snow he was also jelous of the gold earrings.then finally the second mountain guid arrived and saved both of them
@@devilslawyer1646 Sounds like you're suggesting people who engage in high-risk activities (such as conquering mountains) do so precisely for the accolades they receive from others as opposed to accomplishing a personal achievement. I wouldn't want anyone not to follow their passions in life but I'd hope they were doing it for themselves & not because they needed the adulation of others for doing it.
@@isabellind1292 oh spare us the lecture. You and I both know the recognition is the #1 motivator. If you don't believe that perhaps you should read about the first south pole race in which the British lost to the Norwegians. Not a happy ending for the brits. Anyways history has shown us everything is a race when it comes to being the first.
So many attempts without succeeding, some obsessions are best not fulfilled. Sadly another example of that rescuing on high altitudes comes with limits, and one of them is how much you can help someone who no longer can help themselves.
he was very obsessed with this mountain, and he was also known for having experience but no proper training (eg. using farmer ropes, since he had no funds for alpine ropes). He was also a father of several kids...
@M.H. He bouht it on prupose to save moeny. He also is known for not doing any climbing or alipnism course - yes, maybe he is self taught learnt from books, maybe from people who knows? But not in regular way. In alpinism and climbing there is plenty of "wannabe" poeople who are highly motivated but extremely ignorant when it comes to engineering skills. Those poeple believe more in luck and their "special skills" than any logic or engineering or even considering plan B or C scenarios. Athletic people rarely overhink somatimes rarely even plan. In addition alpinism is highly dependend on weather patterns - that you cannot learn remotely. The snow pattern in your local moutnains may be different in Himanalay, I never met any alpinsm who would have any deeper knownedge in meteorology. How an athlete can have skills to asses risk, when majority of this risk is weather related? They are althletes, not forecasters.
The two polish climbers took an incredibly insane risk that many would call stupid to rescue them. But it shows what incredible people they are. They also made the right choice in going down with the person they know that they can save rather than risk her life to try and save a person who they don't even know is alive at this stage. It's harsh but at times, especially in these situations, these sort of decisions need to be made. Also, we may criticise these people for doing something stupid by climbing these mountains but remember, these people know that they are risking their lives by doing this so let them be.
I agree with what you said but then they shouldn’t expect the government and many others to rescue them. They made that choice knowing full well the risks!
Wondering how many more times people are going to have to rescue Elizabeth at the risk of their own lives, what pure selfishness. Her book should've been called "To Leave".
Why hasn’t anyone pointed out the almost certain fact based on the timeline that he was dead and frozen solid LONG before those rescuers even set foot on the mountain????
You often hear climbers say I'm going to summit no matter what it takes.😊 But rarely hear them say I'm going to summit and return to base camp safely. Most climbers die on the descent.
There are unwritten rules on the mountain. Just some of the most important examples: Minimize the risk by good preparation - which they did. And also: Help if you can, but do not risk your or your companions life doing so. And: Be wary of the nature. These rules apply even in the much safer regions like the alps and are also shared by the water rescuers. The moment you are away from civilization you have rely on others. This is also why there are such huge volunteer circles of mountaineers. They have the experience for some serious rescue stuff and in turn they have backup. It's actually a really tight knit group and people know each other. Of course you go and try rescue your dying colleague!
Everybody knows the risk if living too, yet they live. Would they have launched had they knew this disaster was 100% imminent? Would you go out if you knew something would harm you if you did on a particular day?
@@seewhyaneyesee No way accurate comparison, unless you live in extreme circumstances. "Extreme" being the important word. When I head oyt grocery shopping, I am not putting myself in extreme circumstances. And I certainly have been in dsngerous situations before. Just not lately.
I cannot for one minute understand this death wish and hunger for adventure. I feel sorry for all those in love or loving somebody like them always knowing that they would rather choose death on a mountain than their parents, family, kids, friends in life. These people may be lovely and all that, but they also seem incredibly selfish to me, involving and requiring help and rescue from others because of their EXTREME decisions and choices. A pity that they use their courage, strength, experience, determination for such negative activities; they could MOVE things for the better in real life for other people and causes instead of wasting life and health, their own and others, to hold a sports record ...
Probably an unpopular opinion, however, It's a crazy expensive hobby and it seems a bit selfish to not have money put aside to help you, if you should need rescue. The minute you said countries paid $80k to attempt a rescue, I can't help but think of all the every day people that could be helped with it. But instead it went to this. If you do things like this, you're risking your life, that's the cost of climbing the killer mountain.
@@Juniperus_Godegara So she should have died all because she didn't have the money. Not to mention you shouldn't have to pay for search and rescue in the first place....
@@kalechips5972 She did have the money for the expedition in the first place. These things should not be treated as an accident at the farmer's market or whatever. These people are hiking or climbing deathly places, they bring these tragedies on themselves. And by the way, they are not poor people as these trips cost fortunes.
@@Juniperus_Godegara Should she have been allowed to just die over some money? Also, you don't necessarily have to be Uber rich to do this stuff necessarily. I mean the guy was a heroine addict who could barely hold a job before he got into climbing so I highly doubt he was rich.
If you play with your life. It’s just that.. there should be a limit to risk to rescuers.. if they wanted to do the same route as you and save someone at the same time, they would have climbed with you. You can’t do it by yourself, yet you expect them to same thing you did, plus save you. There is a sense of arrogance in extreme climbers. What sucks is someone saves them once, risking their life, only for them to turn around and die a month later on another mountain
this was on my mind the whole friggin time! I could never, and never decide to wake up one day and risk my one and only life climbing - only to descend to - my most certain death... if I wanted to see the beauty of a mountain peak, i'd send a friggin air balloon with a camera and gaze in awe from my sofa... not risk my life and the life of others just to prove a point most people in the world don't really care about.
I am not a climber but everything I have read says when you summit, the climb is only half over. So does she legitimately get to claim the first woman’s winter summit if she had to be rescued and assisted to get down?
Climbing without oxygen should be banned. Ive seen the brain scans of climbers. Each time they climb without oxygen it damages their brains. In essence, they become dumber with each climb.
Why must they "conquer Nanga Parbat" ? I don't feel much for them, and if someone I loved headed out to climb, I'd wish them well and close my heart. These people who test their mortality with extreme sports do not have respect for life. In my opinion.
when they started their attempts it was still unclimbed in winter, so hight reputation and recognition was at stake. Such kind of people like to push themselves, and there are some known, but unachieved goals - those kind of people are often attracted to it. Its not rational and majority of peple will not undurstand and do not need to undurstand.
Selfish egoist who didn’t care to make any emergency Plans- until she needed them- and left yet another climbing partner on a descent. Despicable OH! And made sure to write a book about it! RIP Tomek 🙏🏼
@Raj Iyer you're missing the part where I am royally pissed at them for even putting me through the stress and heartache and fear, no matter WHERE they wind up!
@@Parlimant_Strifey That doesn't mean anything. Maybe she chooses partners that can't keep up and pu.t her at risk. Mountaineering is pretty individualist, guys leave ec other to die on a regular basis. I looked it up, looks like she just got separated from someone abd descended? This is par for the course in mountaineering.
@@rickwrites2612 except men will literally do the white knighting on the mountain and make themselves die with a woman around. By carrying more equipment then they should, as well as taking the higher risks to move the journey forward. Guarantee you both dead mountain men were carrying the team on his back, more then she will ever admit. So easy to give women praise without acknowledging human nature with how men work with them around.
Really? Not forgotten? There are about 200 dead bodies on Everest and nobody knows who they are, and worse nobody cares. They walk right over their bodies to get to the top for their fifteen minutes of fame, and then die on the way down, leaving their body to be stepped on by the next idjut on his way up.
Almost nobody dies when i do recreation. I feel it is important to keep the body count below 5 whenever i invite my newer friends to do what my old friends enjoyed doing to death.
Having watched a good number of these climbing tragedies I’m struck with the sheer impunity they display while “admiring” nature. I admire from safety and with plans to get gone asap. They want to test themselves against all of natures brutality and power is a rich persons disorder to be admired and exalted at all costs….stay there (outside) and outta governments though it appears all the true psychopaths beat you there already. I learn from others very well as does my child. Nature wants us all dead…it’s not personal but science. The odds every human beats just to exist phhhtttt I’m rich “hold my Bud Lite ole chum” laws don’t stick to me….YUP but the laws of nature crushed you effortlessly. Kudos now write a book to further exploit your egos Yay Hubris!!!!
Elizabeth well it's not the first time I've left a climbing partner behind. Clearly addicted to the mountains I hope she is rich enough to pay for all the rescue efforts for her recklessness.
OK this might sound weird but I think about these things LOL. As a woman climbing a mountain like that with it taking so much time to acclimatize and everything else, do they take some medication so that they don’t have their period the whole time they’re trying to climb this mountain? Because I could only imagine how difficult it would be to have to deal with that while you’re trying to climb a mountain. I’m honestly curious on how they deal with this, for the women climbers.
They are supposed to carry their own waste in bags. Dignity is put aside. However, it is reported Everest has serious fecal matter all over the mountain, more than bodies. (obviously)
Dexamethasone CAN fight off the effects of AMS, but not always. I take oral before climbing above 15,000 feet. I bring injectable form as well in case of emergency.
Both men and women will take it. Although “purists” exist who think it’s essentially cheating, but to them I say, climbing with ANY modern equipment is cheating too then
They have to make a film on this woman. It begins with the death of her friend in 2009, and then we see the trials on the winter ascent with Tomak. I can see it.
@@octavelapize6657right? That whole endeavor was stupid to begin with but what was she supposed to do at that point? Carry him? The only point she could have saved him is way at the foot of the mountain by going "Wait, I just realized this is completely fucking idiotic, let's actually not do that."
If you’ve never been addicted to opioids, you wouldn’t be impressed by that. Giving up opioids was harder than getting my CPA or training and schooling to become a pilot. And you also only know of that. He had many greater successes than your salty a$$ that this video had no time to get into, ya piece of 💩😅
@@jimmymaracas6442 what are they supposed to do besides call for rescue? Sit there and die with you? that doesn’t help anyone. You can’t carry someone down in those conditions
My respect isn't to the idiots who tried to climb Naga Parbat without oxygen without pre-arranging for rescue. My respect is for the brave climbers and helicopter pilots who risked their lives to bring these idiots down while taking the hard decision to let one of the idiots die. My respect is also for the embassies and other people who swiftly contributed to financing the rescue
Ascending while mountaineering while not scientifically similar to compression diving is similar in the way it is dealt with. Ascending at a rate of almost 1000m a day without allowing time for the body to acclimatise to the pressure and new chemical composition of the air at higher altitudes. It’s hardly surprising that one of the party succumbed to mountain sickness with that rate of ascent
I have a big problem with these type of athletes. Just because they arrogantly want to prove something to themselves other people have to risk their lives and possibly die when it turns out they're not as good as they thought. I think there should be some clear understanding that when you're up there you're on your own. If it goes wrong you're dead, end of the story. But to go up a mountain, fuck up, kill your climbing partner, risk 2 more lives to save you, and then keep climbing and risking other peoples lives while making money from a book about that horrible experience is just such extreme narcissism, sociopathy even. These people should not be allowed to participate in regular society.
Load of nonsense. Climbing these mountains is only possible with paid licences. You're still supposed to prove insurance covering all expenses. No rescue teams are forced doing their work. How about drug dealers and addicts, or fat smoking alcoholics are you also excluding them from your perfect world because of their self destructive choices costing millions? Immature clown 🤷🏼
Great vid, but I would have appreciated an explanation of the graph at 0:11. I got that the numbers in parenthesis were successful sumits, but the black:blue bars? I'm guessing they represent fatalities:failed attempts, but it'd be nice to know for sure.
Was curious as well, so I googled the image - the numbers in parenthesis are indeed successful summits, the black bar represents deaths on descent, the blue bar deaths on ascent
It’s a very selfish endeavour. Look, look at me and what I can do! If I get lost I expect you to risk your lives to come get me at the taxpayers expense. If I make it, I’ll go down in the history books. Me me me!
I do think if climbers want to take these huge risk they shouldn't expect people to rescue then in such difficult conditions. The cost is also huge and this is a choice not a necessity
Amazing awful comments here. They didn’t expect to be rescued but still sent a signal. Also she did it for him. Regardless of insurance and so on, it’s a human thing to help out. Those other climbers also knew that if they don’t help out, nobody will and certainly that’s not something they want on there conscious. The climbing world is a community.
Nanga Parbat is 3rd in % of deaths for 100 summits. Those mountains got there name 100 years ago, and Nanga Parbat is the mountain that killed the most people before someone summited succesfully.
You don't know the situation, this is 15min video explaining a complex topic, so relax.. maybe she couldn't, maybe she didn't have a phone, from the wiki page, another group where the ones calling the help not her. Also there isn't much to do an that altitude, a rescue is only posible is you get lower, and that the first thing she tries to do..
It's just weird the decisions some people make. I find it extremely stupid and irresponsible to take up challenges like these. You end up endangering other people's lives and triggering very expensive and dangerous rescue missions all for what? Conquering a mountain? No one conquers anything and nature cannot be conquered. Nature is just what it is, nature. It cares not about your perception of what it means to climb a mountain. It does not forgive you for embarking on such pointless and useless journey. It gains nothing and loses nothing. These delusions are only in your head. Your achievements are purely selfish and add nothing to humanity but end up causing a lot of stress, anxiety, and grief to many people they might not recover from their whole life. How about leaving children or a wife behind? Loving parents who spent nights and days raising you up for 30 years without taking a break? I mean you'd have to be very selfish to put all this behind your back and decide to "climb a mountain" and you won't even stop but will continue to raise the bar each time and "conquer" something more dangerous while your loved ones are praying for your safe return. Idiots!
I'm polish. My father is mountaineer. I climbed My Everst while I was 23. I'm sure if I wouldn't succeed I would back. So I belive it happen to Tomek. I climb many mountains and ones u couldn't summit make your challenge.
@@Dirtypete1823 Yes but it's unfair to the partners and children relying on them. Mackiewicz had four children of his own and one stepchild dependent on him.
@@janaslechtova5504 But their partners most likely know what they get into. This is a very extreme lifestyle that most people could not tolerate, so their partners are probably aware of that. Most videos I have seen about serious mountaineers like these people is that they tend to start off really young. Also their partner tend to be mountaineers themselves so they know the risk.
How is it called she summitted anything if she needed a rescue team to get her off the mountain? If u get up n get down all the credit is yours, but if u needed people to come to your rescue i think ALL the credit is theirs infact just to keep u alive n breathing.
Its crazy that she was in good health but still left him, i can only imagine that she was a bad climber and he got exhausted doing the work of two people and leaving him is criminal in my mind as they went up together and for it to be her second time leaving someone dead is weird. Ive watched enough crime documentary to know people are capable of anything and get kicks out of weird stuff on the otherside if this was a man who left a woman he would be seen as evil amd there would be an investigation. Equal rights are only equal when suits and when not its just a poor scared little lady, im no sexiest but all should be treated the same. People should view this as a experienced man leaving an inexperienced woman who had mental health issues and that the man should never of took her if cant look after her!
She was the better climber of the 2, and she wasn't in good codition wdym..? Conditions that far up are merciless, she was suffering a lot (being able to walk doesn't mean being good), both of them would have died if she stayed, your comments are really horrible and unsensible. Climbing is dangerous and they all know that. Also nobody brings sex in this discussion just you, multiple women have been left behind, and everyone understands.
It was a completely impossible situation. Forget that she is a small woman who couldn't possible carry him far, even if she was Dwayne the Rock Johnson she still could not possible have carried him down the mountain in a remotely quick enough manner to save his life while taking the necessary safety precautions to make sure she doesn't fall herself
How do you say, “Wait here, and you can have my sleeping bag and all my gear, and I will send rescue,” and then never return to him? Wouldn’t he have waited for her? Would it have cruelly dawned on him she wasn’t ever coming back, or would he have died first? I don’t understand telling someone you’ll be back with rescue and then abandoning them? (Please don’t jump on me, I’m not a climber and I don’t understand these things).
Did she not tell rescuers about him? That's all she required to do. The ethics of high altitude mountaineering are very individualist. If someone tied to you falls, you can cut the rope. If staying with someone won't help them but will risk you, you leave. Paid guides and sherpas like on Everest have more duty, but less than you'd expect. Everyone involved generally is on board.
I'm not particularly fond of climbers, but you have to understand they these things are happening in terrain where carrying someone is absolutely impossible. When you have altitude sickness the only solution is to descend immediately. By the time she was found he had already spent two nights at high altitude and with altitude sickness. It's extremely unlikely that he was still alive.
In that altitude without oxygen after two days is a big risk for your life, she survives because she left him behind,if she tried to take him in the decent now both would be dead. I don't understand either this hobby but i respect their choices.
@@rickwrites2612 Of course she did, the rescue ask if Tomek are able to walk, she inform than no. So they decide go down, because they are not able to carry someone down from high altitude. There's a video in Aconcagua - a mountain what one climb walking with track poles, in what a guide and his party take a wrong path in the descent during a storm, a rescue team reach him, who are alive, but not able to stand up and walk - visible in the video; so after call a judge who authorize, they leave him there to death. Search for: Operação Aconcágua: Caso Federico Campanini
What makes absolutely no sense to me is why they didn’t bring oxygen or ropes. I understand not wanting to use them for the purpose of beating a record. But if they brought them for the sake of emergencies, and refused to use them unless absolutely necessary, wouldn’t a successful climb that way be just as impressive? And that way if they did need it like in this scenario, they have access to it without forcing strangers to pay $80K to bail you out.
Maybe because they didn't have a way to prove they weren't really using the oxygen/ropes they brought along? If they took nothing, there would be no doubt they'd qualify.
Mountain climbers and cave divers are the worst weekend warriors as most over estimate their expertise then expect others to risk their lives to rescue them. She seems to be especially careless. Shr let others die just to get her ego stroked.
I disagree. The problem is less ego then the simple fact that even with extensive experience, climbing at this difficulty has so many moving pieces that can cause death/failure and at total random moments that it’s deadly even for the top climbers in the world. Look at the deaths on K2, many are some of the best on earth. They are far far from “weekend warriors.”
It sounds to me that she made the decision to leave Tomak there knowing she won't be going back. She knew the helicopter wouldn't get to her, going down the mountain doesn't help Tomak in the least. She left him knowing he will die
I am person who's lived my life being too careful and I've resented myself for it, as I see it as a weakness. But whenever I see events such as this, people you place themselves in high risk situations, those who are never satisfied with their accomplishments thus having to always aim for greater dangerous situations is insane to me and I consider them weak as well. I am glad I'm a bit too careful because it must be exhausting for these people who value their lives so little that they're 'purposely' willing to loss it.
many of these people are depressed or feel zero joy from normal life so they go and "seek meaning" and end up dying like this. I am so glad I was born to enjoy the little things, like sitting in my beautiful sunroom and enjoying nature from there
It's pretty wild. She was on 2 different mountains with different partners...both of which never came back. And she climbed with Daniel Nardi on Nanga (who also later died on a mountain...Nanga again I think? She wasn't there though). So, Elisabeth had 2 partners die while she was on the mountain with them, and at least one other who climbed with her at one point die later on another climb. She has been surrounded by death in her climbing career. Yet she kept right on climbing.
I have to admit that I do not understand the drive to put myself at death's door for a sport or hobby. Or the ability to choose to leave someone on a mountain to die. It all seems so brutal, heartless and unnecessary to me.
Wow I have to say the Polish rescue climbers sound like incredible heroes, holding the tarp for her to sleep then lowering her down by rope. They were so kind when talking about her. I am seriously impressed.
The Poles have been some of the most impressive climbers going back to the 1980s
El montañismo polaco es extraordinario, pero Denís Urubko es ruso.
Denis Urubko from Kazakhstan. I knew him
What Denis Urubko and Adam Bielecki did is truly incredible: climbing an unknown route at high altitudes, at night, and in winter!
Incredible or stupidity
Also stupid .
@@PamelaZW It is stupid yes but intentionally. People who might pledge a new path for the ones to come. That's what explorers are.
Just build a drone to climb mountains for u. Better than being the first human to climb such and such mountain
@@psychkick666 "Just take a bunch of steroids and do not put any work in"
I understand the thrill and the love for a sport. But to consistently risk your life when having a wife and kids at home is crazy to me. My fiancé and kids are the reason I don’t do anything reckless anymore!
Ditto Tyler, my 3 girls and wife mean more to me than anything in this world. I still love to backpack and adventure, but they’re always on top of my mind when it comes to what I do and don’t do.
I just read the two wisest comments in the entire comment section.
My hat is off to both commenters
in this thread.
So sad to know these people choose the thrill over the very people that need them. Why build a family just to leave them??
I was thinking the same thing. Of course I want my partner to enjoy their hobbies, but I would be very upset if they wanted to risk their life and leaving me alone with our children just to pursue a thrill. Do whatever you want when you’re single, but if you have a family who needs you that’s got to be the top priority.
Good dad
If you read Tomek's biography he's often described as someone who didn't like to prepare too much his expeditions, both physically and logistically, he was a bit of a Yolo climber so I'm not so surprised he was the first to be dealing with montagne sickness
mountaing sickness can randomly affect people at any time regardless of preparation
Mountaineering, especially above 8,000 metres has ALWAYS had a high acceptable casualty rate. Getting yourself up and getting yourself back down again is typically close all you can manage, so carrying the dead weight of a collapsed casualty is generally impossible if actual climbing, rather than just walking, is required on the descent. Climbers know this.
Yep, there’s a reason “cleaning crews” go there with helicopters to retrieve bodies, expect the teams to partake in such risk to bring down the remains is beyond selfish.
@@biazacha agreed 100%. If ever I climbed an 8,000er (unlikely, but you never know) I'd be horrified by the thought of people risking death to get me down. I find the expeditions to recover the bodies of rich westerners pretty distasteful too, to be honest: when Sherpas and HAPs die in the mountains dragging middle-aged lawyers and financiers up and down the hill their families can't afford to recover them.
Hubris. They also demonstrated intense hubris by choosing to climb a killer mountain in winter when no one had done it before, all without oxygen and without a rescue plan. That being said, Elisabeth is an absolute powerhouse. I hope she is doing well.
Hubris IS to blame for many deaths. Obsession to succeed, even by people who have summited before, makes poor choices.
It's a race to do things no-one else has ever done. It's bound to get ever more risky.
@@CptShelby I agree
Making it a tourist industry, increases the danger to the Sherpas, and the experienced climbers exponentially
When I speak of hubris, I’m talking about the egos of several even experienced mountaineers, who put their own lives, and others in danger, and request to finish the obsession. They all women’s expedition to Annapurna for example. Also, that initial climb on K2️⃣ I watch the documentaries, and I am struck by the eloquence other people telling the story. Even on Annapurna, when conversing with the Basecamp, and knowing they were about to die, their language was resolute, even beautiful. I think that when you undertake that sport or any of your extreme sports, you come to terms with your mortality.
I don’t have the courage to do what they do, and never had the physical skill or mental perseverance, even if I had had the desire. But safety always has to come first and it’s one of those jobs of government to create safety rules. Decreasing the number of permits issued seems to be the best start. It’s like when they made it 727, and then the 757 airplanes it only made the “worst air disaster in history “not only in evitable, but ever increasing numbers dead. Seeing dozens of people on that narrow pathway, and then, knowing there will be people passing them coming back, just seems like a tragedy, waiting to write its page in the book.
Good post.
They summited.
I’m addicted to these videos I can’t stop.
Me too and I'm constantly searching for new ones!!!
I was addicted too for many years,my husband was afraid 😂at that time,he thought that maybe starting climbing.
No i am not a mountaineer and never will be but i love that stories , so tragic some times,so heroism others,so scary many but i respect their choices.
@@themythhunter9764 it’s so bad it’s work eat sleep and research hahahaha
Me too ❤
When I went to my fridge and opened the door, I felt a slight puff of cool air. That's as cold as I ever want to be.
It's almost beyond bearing though.
If you open the freezer door don't call me and ask me to rescue you.
@@lilmuddr 😄
Sometimes I watch these types of videos while working in a freezer. It really adds to the ambiance, lol.
@@beezee1196 😳
Also, the decision to leave him was taken because of an extreme snowstorm. The government of Pakistan then advised the rescue mission to not continue, and medical experts on ground confirmed that he was dead because the temperature later dropped to about -70°C.
-94f , that's cold!
Yeah he basically went to sleep. He froze instantly after that point.
That may have been an exaggeration, but -40 is still deadly. Either way it's 99% likely he was dead at that point, or would have been by the time they got there many hours later. Even if he wasn't, it would have been impossible for them to treat him, or physically carry him down in those conditions. There's a 50% chance an attempt to get to him in those conditions would have killed the rescuers as well.
Na she left homie to die to save herself
@@jimmymaracas6442 He would've died anyway. The only sensible option was to find help.
Mountaineers are so narcissistic. "I wanna be first this and first that and blah blah blah, if I get stuck I'll just ask someone else to come save me and risk their lives too!!"
You sound like a real winner
Mountaineers are most often saved by other mountaineers as a sign of solidarity and acceptance that their passion is life threatening. Thinking youre better than others cause you prefer to sit on a couch is pretty narcissistic too.
Descending a dangerous mtn. is hard enough, to save someone who is blind n can't walk is about impossible. All pros know this risk! So "We left him" is totally inaccurate. 🙏 He's with Mother Nature, who he loved.
La naturaleza no es la madre de nadie.
As most people say: "bring oxygen". The highest I've climbed is a 4000m mountain when I was 12. I remember running up the mountain and boy my legs were aching so bad for 5 days after. I didn't understand everything about oxygen and stuff at that time, but I remember it being so tiring. Later, in my 20s I climbed several mountains that were much lower, maybe 3000-3500.
One mountain offered 'rich' climbers oxygen for 15 bucks, it was a HUGE silly looking rubber balloon with external cloth material for strength. You would just drag it along as you walked. It was the funniest sight you could see. However, the higher we got, the more tiring it became. I can attest that a few breaths of oxygen just brings you from heavy labored breathing and faintness to re-invigored strength. Since 15 bucks at that time was a lot of money for locals, only a few of us had these giant ridiculous balloons, but near the summit, we'd share it with random people who were struggling. We'd give them 5-10 breaths of it, it just clears up the mind once the oxygen hits you and gives a renewed sense of power.
Oxygen at 4000m is ridiculous.
@@thephotoyak Yes, it was, but as this was a tourist attraction also for NON-CLIMBERS who don't live in Nepal, there were all genders ages 7-70+. Now, for people who don't usually do exercise, climbing stairs, just say 20 flights, is difficult enough especially if you are 'heavier". Also age 60+ non-active individuals also have great difficulty. We bought it because It was this giant balloon and it looked so funny, but just say - again if you don't do aerobic exercise and you got to climb say 2500m, it's not easy, actually it's hard. So just to mention, the reality of 4000m seeming to you is something easy, is actually not for I'd say most people, and shows your clear lack of understanding of climbing.
Anyways, another great part was you didn't have to climb down, again if you had money. They had this I'd say > 3km cable car down, that was so scenic, absolutely awesome.
I've been an avid camper, hiker and outdoorsey person. Okay, maybe above avg: several ~7 day trail hike excursions with 20kg+ backpack, cycling +1000km tours, too numerous to count 3+ day hikes and hundreds of day hikes), and travelled the world, and I'm going to go out and say, 4000m isn't just a walk in the park, esp. if you have to climb more than 1500m, and usually it's not just straight up, it's up and down, and up up up and down, etc.
@sillyak yeahh I mean u can easily climb until 7500 meters with proper acclimatization, however you can still get altitude sickness at 4000 meters if you don't acclimatize
You were not acclimated. It's that simple.
@@PhilAndersonOutside yes, I thought that was very obvious.
I just wanted to say that people that haven't gone climbing don't understand the difference between having oxygen and not having oxygen, even at 3500m, it's a huge difference (for anyone, beginner or experienced).
Many people who haven't done much climbing or dream of it, I wanted to give some context as to actually how "normal" people will feel even at 3500m. It's shortness of breath just walking leisurely on flat trail, and it's funny, you're panting and you don't know why.
This is sad but they were incredibly reckless.
climbing in winter session on killer mountain doesn't solve your problem in your life. Rather a heartbreak to your family and friends# stay safe stay wise#
I have a new found respect for a man who has a boring job but stay at home and take care his family..
Thank you! I prefer my husband and his company to bragging rights...
Not if the job is harming rather than helping the world. Then he's just as bad or worse.
Do you speaking about youself?Respect yourself of having boring life and jobs and dont have a gut to change it..I have a great respect for a rescue team
First responders.. eh
Striking out after failing 7x makes me wonder if Thomas wasn't obsessed with the mountain. I hope that he found peace in the hearafter. Rest his soul . But to be frozen for eternity on the hill that took his soul. I just don't know. I do know mountain climbers are just different. Tough people.
It was her 5th time
I live in pakistan and there is a story in which a german family climed the mountain.unfortunatly only the little girl with gold earrings survived.there were two mountain guides and one of them went to check on them but instead stole everything from the dead family and ended up breaking his arm while going down instead of helping the trapped girl in the snow he was also jelous of the gold earrings.then finally the second mountain guid arrived and saved both of them
Ya this is Pakistan 😂
Wow! When was this?
When did this happen ?
I really feel sorry for people who have to be first or best, such inner stress & you usually are disappointed with the journey. 💛
You seem to be talking from experience, how many world record firsts have you tried to achieve?
@@devilslawyer1646 none, it's never been a desire of mine. You?
@@devilslawyer1646 Sounds like you're suggesting people who engage in high-risk activities (such as conquering mountains) do so precisely for the accolades they receive from others as opposed to accomplishing a personal achievement.
I wouldn't want anyone not to follow their passions in life but I'd hope they were doing it for themselves & not because they needed the adulation of others for doing it.
@@isabellind1292 oh spare us the lecture. You and I both know the recognition is the #1 motivator. If you don't believe that perhaps you should read about the first south pole race in which the British lost to the Norwegians. Not a happy ending for the brits. Anyways history has shown us everything is a race when it comes to being the first.
@@kushyaku My comment wasn't directed towards you, you poor thing.
So many attempts without succeeding, some obsessions are best not fulfilled. Sadly another example of that rescuing on high altitudes comes with limits, and one of them is how much you can help someone who no longer can help themselves.
he was very obsessed with this mountain, and he was also known for having experience but no proper training (eg. using farmer ropes, since he had no funds for alpine ropes). He was also a father of several kids...
@@WojciechowskaAnna Did he know he had inadequate or improper ropes? How incredibly sad.
@M.H. He bouht it on prupose to save moeny. He also is known for not doing any climbing or alipnism course - yes, maybe he is self taught learnt from books, maybe from people who knows? But not in regular way.
In alpinism and climbing there is plenty of "wannabe" poeople who are highly motivated but extremely ignorant when it comes to engineering skills. Those poeple believe more in luck and their "special skills" than any logic or engineering or even considering plan B or C scenarios. Athletic people rarely overhink somatimes rarely even plan. In addition alpinism is highly dependend on weather patterns - that you cannot learn remotely. The snow pattern in your local moutnains may be different in Himanalay, I never met any alpinsm who would have any deeper knownedge in meteorology. How an athlete can have skills to asses risk, when majority of this risk is weather related? They are althletes, not forecasters.
The two polish climbers took an incredibly insane risk that many would call stupid to rescue them. But it shows what incredible people they are. They also made the right choice in going down with the person they know that they can save rather than risk her life to try and save a person who they don't even know is alive at this stage. It's harsh but at times, especially in these situations, these sort of decisions need to be made. Also, we may criticise these people for doing something stupid by climbing these mountains but remember, these people know that they are risking their lives by doing this so let them be.
also, they sacrificed their chance to be first at K2 during the winter.
I agree with what you said but then they shouldn’t expect the government and many others to rescue them. They made that choice knowing full well the risks!
Urubko es ruso.
Denis Urubko from Kazakhstan. I knew him
Wondering how many more times people are going to have to rescue Elizabeth at the risk of their own lives, what pure selfishness. Her book should've been called "To Leave".
two partners died and went back to climbing like nothing happened
Why hasn’t anyone pointed out the almost certain fact based on the timeline that he was dead and frozen solid LONG before those rescuers even set foot on the mountain????
You'd be surprise! But yeah it was most likely going to be a futile attempt.
You often hear climbers say I'm going to summit no matter what it takes.😊 But rarely hear them say I'm going to summit and return to base camp safely. Most climbers die on the descent.
What’s sad is they know the risks before they ever go and when they run into trouble they expect everyone to run to their aid.
I don't think that is what is sad actually
There are unwritten rules on the mountain. Just some of the most important examples: Minimize the risk by good preparation - which they did.
And also: Help if you can, but do not risk your or your companions life doing so. And: Be wary of the nature.
These rules apply even in the much safer regions like the alps and are also shared by the water rescuers. The moment you are away from civilization you have rely on others.
This is also why there are such huge volunteer circles of mountaineers. They have the experience for some serious rescue stuff and in turn they have backup. It's actually a really tight knit group and people know each other. Of course you go and try rescue your dying colleague!
Everybody knows the risk if living too, yet they live. Would they have launched had they knew this disaster was 100% imminent?
Would you go out if you knew something would harm you if you did on a particular day?
@@seewhyaneyesee No way accurate comparison, unless you live in extreme circumstances. "Extreme" being the important word. When I head oyt grocery shopping, I am not putting myself in extreme circumstances. And I certainly have been in dsngerous situations before. Just not lately.
I’d hate to live in a world where people didn’t try to help each other. 🤷🏻♂️
I cannot for one minute understand this death wish and hunger for adventure. I feel sorry for all those in love or loving somebody like them always knowing that they would rather choose death on a mountain than their parents, family, kids, friends in life. These people may be lovely and all that, but they also seem incredibly selfish to me, involving and requiring help and rescue from others because of their EXTREME decisions and choices. A pity that they use their courage, strength, experience, determination for such negative activities; they could MOVE things for the better in real life for other people and causes instead of wasting life and health, their own and others, to hold a sports record ...
Me thinks Elizabeth and Tomek’s
egos got ahead of them on the
climb- and put so many others
in peril😞 RIP🙏🏼
Probably an unpopular opinion, however, It's a crazy expensive hobby and it seems a bit selfish to not have money put aside to help you, if you should need rescue. The minute you said countries paid $80k to attempt a rescue, I can't help but think of all the every day people that could be helped with it. But instead it went to this. If you do things like this, you're risking your life, that's the cost of climbing the killer mountain.
yup just using tax payer money to save these selfish ones
Agreed, it should not have been paid.
@@Juniperus_Godegara So she should have died all because she didn't have the money. Not to mention you shouldn't have to pay for search and rescue in the first place....
@@kalechips5972 She did have the money for the expedition in the first place. These things should not be treated as an accident at the farmer's market or whatever. These people are hiking or climbing deathly places, they bring these tragedies on themselves. And by the way, they are not poor people as these trips cost fortunes.
@@Juniperus_Godegara Should she have been allowed to just die over some money? Also, you don't necessarily have to be Uber rich to do this stuff necessarily. I mean the guy was a heroine addict who could barely hold a job before he got into climbing so I highly doubt he was rich.
If you play with your life. It’s just that.. there should be a limit to risk to rescuers.. if they wanted to do the same route as you and save someone at the same time, they would have climbed with you. You can’t do it by yourself, yet you expect them to same thing you did, plus save you. There is a sense of arrogance in extreme climbers. What sucks is someone saves them once, risking their life, only for them to turn around and die a month later on another mountain
this was on my mind the whole friggin time! I could never, and never decide to wake up one day and risk my one and only life climbing - only to descend to - my most certain death... if I wanted to see the beauty of a mountain peak, i'd send a friggin air balloon with a camera and gaze in awe from my sofa... not risk my life and the life of others just to prove a point most people in the world don't really care about.
Many of you commented on this but ain't having any experience. Person who goes up these hills don't seek your judgement. Their want their own peace
@@docia261 And you don't know what other experiences they may have had.
@@scallopohare9431 everyone has their own story. Too deep subject for yt comments seriously
@@docia261 Thing is, you didn't pass up the chance to talk down to a commenter.
Beautiful mountains, horrible deaths.
Congrats, I guess. Too bad for the wife and three kids Tommy left behind. I guess getting to the top of a hill was more important than they were.
I find it selfish for them to have a spouse and kids yet do things like this. Stay single
Yep
Bruh it's not selfish to have a fucking hobby.
@@marbleb33s its like a hobby of being a raging alcoholic when ur have a child lmao. Any other safe hobby wouldve been fine
@@marbleb33s "a hobby" LOLOLOLOLOLOL no this is more than a simple little hobby
I thought it sounded like she was calling immediate rescue for her friend but when they got there it switched up.
Would never buy her book
mountains and egos
self esteem, self worship, challenging fate for 8 seconds of attention
She's bad luck!!! Lost 2 climbing partners.
I am not a climber but everything I have read says when you summit, the climb is only half over. So does she legitimately get to claim the first woman’s winter summit if she had to be rescued and assisted to get down?
No. One goes up and comes down without assistance. That’s a summit. Anything other than that is not a summit
They count on Everest.
@@jinka6171 you do it then
Lol no
Most of the fatalities occur on the decent.
Climbing without oxygen should be banned. Ive seen the brain scans of climbers. Each time they climb without oxygen it damages their brains. In essence, they become dumber with each climb.
Do you have a link or something?
Source: trust me bro
"They become dumber with each climb." Sounds about right brain scan or not🤷🏽♀️
can’t the damage be completely avoided as long as you are constantly breathing from your O2 can?
@@SqkTap That’s the point of the op.
She’s the black widow of climbing .
Seriously! And everyone is trying to make it sound like she’s a hero
Why must they "conquer Nanga Parbat" ? I don't feel much for them, and if someone I loved headed out to climb, I'd wish them well and close my heart. These people who test their mortality with extreme sports do not have respect for life. In my opinion.
when they started their attempts it was still unclimbed in winter, so hight reputation and recognition was at stake. Such kind of people like to push themselves, and there are some known, but unachieved goals - those kind of people are often attracted to it. Its not rational and majority of peple will not undurstand and do not need to undurstand.
at least not their own life. Some ppl are less risk averse
If you don't understand why, you never will, for you never could
Selfish egoist who didn’t
care to make any emergency
Plans- until she needed them-
and left yet another climbing
partner on a descent. Despicable
OH! And made sure to write
a book about it! RIP Tomek 🙏🏼
@Raj Iyer you're missing the part where I am royally pissed at them for even putting me through the stress and heartache and fear, no matter WHERE they wind up!
Aha friendship… I don’t believe in any friendship between climbers… so many same stories. And now she is a hero …
Statistically speaking, if she's your partner you won't survive.
you see the pattern to.
@@Parlimant_Strifey
That doesn't mean anything.
Maybe she chooses partners that can't keep up and pu.t her at risk. Mountaineering is pretty individualist, guys leave ec other to die on a regular basis.
I looked it up, looks like she just got separated from someone abd descended? This is par for the course in mountaineering.
😂😂😂
She mountain curse😂
@@rickwrites2612 except men will literally do the white knighting on the mountain and make themselves die with a woman around. By carrying more equipment then they should, as well as taking the higher risks to move the journey forward.
Guarantee you both dead mountain men were carrying the team on his back, more then she will ever admit. So easy to give women praise without acknowledging human nature with how men work with them around.
When we are not dying or almost dying, we like to take selfies.
Do climbers actually want to climb mountains or do they want to have climbed mountains?
These two are the latter
I am impressed by Elizabeth's compassion!
The selfishness of some people still shocks me. 😡
Beauty, exhilaration and horror! That about sums it up. RIP to all those climbers who had to stay behind. Your not forgotten.
Wow, so this was just a story of how this woman killed two fellow climbers and got away with it. She's a black widow.
@@rydz656 yea bc she dragged them up there right? Bffr.
Really? Not forgotten? There are about 200 dead bodies on Everest and nobody knows who they are, and worse nobody cares. They walk right over their bodies to get to the top for their fifteen minutes of fame, and then die on the way down, leaving their body to be stepped on by the next idjut on his way up.
Almost nobody dies when i do recreation. I feel it is important to keep the body count below 5 whenever i invite my newer friends to do what my old friends enjoyed doing to death.
The hubris and narcissism of the 2 original climbers is astounding, their "dream" put many at risk.
If at least they laid eggs once on top, like turtles going for the beach or something... Give it a real purpose.
😂😂😂
Having watched a good number of these climbing tragedies I’m struck with the sheer impunity they display while “admiring” nature. I admire from safety and with plans to get gone asap. They want to test themselves against all of natures brutality and power is a rich persons disorder to be admired and exalted at all costs….stay there (outside) and outta governments though it appears all the true psychopaths beat you there already. I learn from others very well as does my child. Nature wants us all dead…it’s not personal but science. The odds every human beats just to exist phhhtttt I’m rich “hold my Bud Lite ole chum” laws don’t stick to me….YUP but the laws of nature crushed you effortlessly. Kudos now write a book to further exploit your egos Yay Hubris!!!!
Hacia tiempo que no leía una estupidez de semejante calibre: "la naturaleza nos quiere muertos".
What a strange idea climbing with Élisabeth Revol ! 🤔
Elizabeth well it's not the first time I've left a climbing partner behind. Clearly addicted to the mountains I hope she is rich enough to pay for all the rescue efforts for her recklessness.
OK this might sound weird but I think about these things LOL. As a woman climbing a mountain like that with it taking so much time to acclimatize and everything else, do they take some medication so that they don’t have their period the whole time they’re trying to climb this mountain? Because I could only imagine how difficult it would be to have to deal with that while you’re trying to climb a mountain. I’m honestly curious on how they deal with this, for the women climbers.
They are supposed to carry their own waste in bags. Dignity is put aside. However, it is reported Everest has serious fecal matter all over the mountain, more than bodies. (obviously)
Oh wow. I would definitely do whatever it takes to not have that happen. The death zone is not a place where you can afford to be unwell.
It's not that hard to think of ways to not have your period right?Multiple hormonal birth control options will even do the job
Dexamethasone CAN fight off the effects of AMS, but not always. I take oral before climbing above 15,000 feet. I bring injectable form as well in case of emergency.
Both men and women will take it. Although “purists” exist who think it’s essentially cheating, but to them I say, climbing with ANY modern equipment is cheating too then
I appreciate You mentioning your sources within the story ❤
They have to make a film on this woman. It begins with the death of her friend in 2009, and then we see the trials on the winter ascent with Tomak. I can see it.
Make her the villain and sure
@@BrennanCh06exactly, leaving her partners to die all over the mountain and ppl call her a hero😅
@@jimmymaracas6442 what do you want her to do ? Snow blindness at Nanga Parbat no Ox in winter lol and she's a girl and tomak is this 90kg guy
@@octavelapize6657right? That whole endeavor was stupid to begin with but what was she supposed to do at that point? Carry him? The only point she could have saved him is way at the foot of the mountain by going "Wait, I just realized this is completely fucking idiotic, let's actually not do that."
I don’t understand why people do this i can have a thrill just walking out my door.
They should have brought an oxygen tank for emergency situations.
A guy who could only get off on heroin and the most extreme mountain climbing wasn't planning on becoming an old man. RIP
sorta hard to feel sorry for them
If you’ve never been addicted to opioids, you wouldn’t be impressed by that. Giving up opioids was harder than getting my CPA or training and schooling to become a pilot. And you also only know of that. He had many greater successes than your salty a$$ that this video had no time to get into, ya piece of 💩😅
Can you imagine being left behind and knowing you dying! Smh
and its 100% your own studity that caused it
@@sangun123and a selfish partner
@@jimmymaracas6442 what are they supposed to do besides call for rescue? Sit there and die with you? that doesn’t help anyone. You can’t carry someone down in those conditions
My respect isn't to the idiots who tried to climb Naga Parbat without oxygen without pre-arranging for rescue.
My respect is for the brave climbers and helicopter pilots who risked their lives to bring these idiots down while taking the hard decision to let one of the idiots die.
My respect is also for the embassies and other people who swiftly contributed to financing the rescue
Ascending while mountaineering while not scientifically similar to compression diving is similar in the way it is dealt with. Ascending at a rate of almost 1000m a day without allowing time for the body to acclimatise to the pressure and new chemical composition of the air at higher altitudes. It’s hardly surprising that one of the party succumbed to mountain sickness with that rate of ascent
I remember following that story. It’s very sad.
3:15 Ali sadpara has passed away as well in 2021 while trying to ascent K2. R.I.P 😢
Denis Urubko from Kazakhstan. he too
I have a big problem with these type of athletes. Just because they arrogantly want to prove something to themselves other people have to risk their lives and possibly die when it turns out they're not as good as they thought. I think there should be some clear understanding that when you're up there you're on your own. If it goes wrong you're dead, end of the story. But to go up a mountain, fuck up, kill your climbing partner, risk 2 more lives to save you, and then keep climbing and risking other peoples lives while making money from a book about that horrible experience is just such extreme narcissism, sociopathy even. These people should not be allowed to participate in regular society.
Load of nonsense. Climbing these mountains is only possible with paid licences. You're still supposed to prove insurance covering all expenses. No rescue teams are forced doing their work.
How about drug dealers and addicts, or fat smoking alcoholics are you also excluding them from your perfect world because of their self destructive choices costing millions?
Immature clown 🤷🏼
Stuff mountaineers don't want to hear obviously, but the truth.
Great vid, but I would have appreciated an explanation of the graph at 0:11. I got that the numbers in parenthesis were successful sumits, but the black:blue bars? I'm guessing they represent fatalities:failed attempts, but it'd be nice to know for sure.
Was curious as well, so I googled the image - the numbers in parenthesis are indeed successful summits, the black bar represents deaths on descent, the blue bar deaths on ascent
Yeah, leaving oxygen behind for a climb that high, in the worst season to climb,
is pure foolishness.
It’s a very selfish endeavour. Look, look at me and what I can do! If I get lost I expect you to risk your lives to come get me at the taxpayers expense. If I make it, I’ll go down in the history books. Me me me!
I do think if climbers want to take these huge risk they shouldn't expect people to rescue then in such difficult conditions. The cost is also huge and this is a choice not a necessity
Reminder: do not be stupid
Amazing awful comments here. They didn’t expect to be rescued but still sent a signal. Also she did it for him. Regardless of insurance and so on, it’s a human thing to help out. Those other climbers also knew that if they don’t help out, nobody will and certainly that’s not something they want on there conscious. The climbing world is a community.
frderick Yes, some of these comments clearly come from idiots that don't have a clue.
Why send a signal when you don't want to be rescued? Makes zero sense.
@@donfuan76 I think you misunderstood, they did wanted to be rescued but also knew it might not happen.
0:08 "Nanga Parbat is known as the killer mountain"
Shows several deadlier mountains by ratio and by total in a row.
Nanga Parbat is 3rd in % of deaths for 100 summits. Those mountains got there name 100 years ago, and Nanga Parbat is the mountain that killed the most people before someone summited succesfully.
I would assume the rescuers were all volunteers.
Can't believe she didn't call for help as soon as he said he was blind!! Terrible what ego can do to your decisions.
You don't know the situation, this is 15min video explaining a complex topic, so relax.. maybe she couldn't, maybe she didn't have a phone, from the wiki page, another group where the ones calling the help not her. Also there isn't much to do an that altitude, a rescue is only posible is you get lower, and that the first thing she tries to do..
Thank you Disaster Stories.
Denis Urubko from Kazakhstan. I knew him
Yes I agree with comment below. Shouldn't put others at risk
A fool and their life are soon parted. Gee, I didn't lose my hands or my feet....I think I'll try that again!
It's just weird the decisions some people make. I find it extremely stupid and irresponsible to take up challenges like these. You end up endangering other people's lives and triggering very expensive and dangerous rescue missions all for what? Conquering a mountain? No one conquers anything and nature cannot be conquered. Nature is just what it is, nature. It cares not about your perception of what it means to climb a mountain. It does not forgive you for embarking on such pointless and useless journey. It gains nothing and loses nothing. These delusions are only in your head. Your achievements are purely selfish and add nothing to humanity but end up causing a lot of stress, anxiety, and grief to many people they might not recover from their whole life. How about leaving children or a wife behind? Loving parents who spent nights and days raising you up for 30 years without taking a break? I mean you'd have to be very selfish to put all this behind your back and decide to "climb a mountain" and you won't even stop but will continue to raise the bar each time and "conquer" something more dangerous while your loved ones are praying for your safe return. Idiots!
I'm polish. My father is mountaineer. I climbed My Everst while I was 23. I'm sure if I wouldn't succeed I would back. So I belive it happen to Tomek. I climb many mountains and ones u couldn't summit make your challenge.
Kurwa! Hopefully you're climbing skills are better than your English.. 🙈
Sad for their families that mean so little to them.
The climbers know the risks.
@@Dirtypete1823 Yes but it's unfair to the partners and children relying on them. Mackiewicz had four children of his own and one stepchild dependent on him.
@@janaslechtova5504 But their partners most likely know what they get into. This is a very extreme lifestyle that most people could not tolerate, so their partners are probably aware of that. Most videos I have seen about serious mountaineers like these people is that they tend to start off really young. Also their partner tend to be mountaineers themselves so they know the risk.
@@anniekraykray Still unfair to the children.
@@Dirtypete1823 I am sure their children understand...... NOT
How is it called she summitted anything if she needed a rescue team to get her off the mountain? If u get up n get down all the credit is yours, but if u needed people to come to your rescue i think ALL the credit is theirs infact just to keep u alive n breathing.
These videos are my breakfast
Good to hear! Enjoy your meal 😊
@Steve Robinson cry about it
A related fact. Nanga Parbat literally translates to Naked Mountain
Its crazy that she was in good health but still left him, i can only imagine that she was a bad climber and he got exhausted doing the work of two people and leaving him is criminal in my mind as they went up together and for it to be her second time leaving someone dead is weird. Ive watched enough crime documentary to know people are capable of anything and get kicks out of weird stuff on the otherside if this was a man who left a woman he would be seen as evil amd there would be an investigation. Equal rights are only equal when suits and when not its just a poor scared little lady, im no sexiest but all should be treated the same. People should view this as a experienced man leaving an inexperienced woman who had mental health issues and that the man should never of took her if cant look after her!
She just want to write a book about that.
She was the better climber of the 2, and she wasn't in good codition wdym..?
Conditions that far up are merciless, she was suffering a lot (being able to walk doesn't mean being good), both of them would have died if she stayed, your comments are really horrible and unsensible.
Climbing is dangerous and they all know that. Also nobody brings sex in this discussion just you, multiple women have been left behind, and everyone understands.
Check your facts. Women get left behind on mountains all the time.
She didn't climb it. She was rescued off the mountain and left her partner for dead...
It was a completely impossible situation. Forget that she is a small woman who couldn't possible carry him far, even if she was Dwayne the Rock Johnson she still could not possible have carried him down the mountain in a remotely quick enough manner to save his life while taking the necessary safety precautions to make sure she doesn't fall herself
Some people can’t just live regular lives. It would probably kill them to do it.
I think they should bring the tops of these mountains down to the ground so we all can climb them
They were reckless
How do you say, “Wait here, and you can have my sleeping bag and all my gear, and I will send rescue,” and then never return to him? Wouldn’t he have waited for her? Would it have cruelly dawned on him she wasn’t ever coming back, or would he have died first? I don’t understand telling someone you’ll be back with rescue and then abandoning them?
(Please don’t jump on me, I’m not a climber and I don’t understand these things).
Did she not tell rescuers about him? That's all she required to do. The ethics of high altitude mountaineering are very individualist. If someone tied to you falls, you can cut the rope. If staying with someone won't help them but will risk you, you leave. Paid guides and sherpas like on Everest have more duty, but less than you'd expect. Everyone involved generally is on board.
I'm not particularly fond of climbers, but you have to understand they these things are happening in terrain where carrying someone is absolutely impossible. When you have altitude sickness the only solution is to descend immediately. By the time she was found he had already spent two nights at high altitude and with altitude sickness. It's extremely unlikely that he was still alive.
he knew he was dead when he went blind.
In that altitude without oxygen after two days is a big risk for your life, she survives because she left him behind,if she tried to take him in the decent now both would be dead.
I don't understand either this hobby but i respect their choices.
@@rickwrites2612 Of course she did, the rescue ask if Tomek are able to walk, she inform than no.
So they decide go down, because they are not able to carry someone down from high altitude.
There's a video in Aconcagua - a mountain what one climb walking with track poles, in what a guide and his party take a wrong path in the descent during a storm, a rescue team reach him, who are alive, but not able to stand up and walk - visible in the video; so after call a judge who authorize, they leave him there to death.
Search for:
Operação Aconcágua: Caso Federico Campanini
What makes absolutely no sense to me is why they didn’t bring oxygen or ropes. I understand not wanting to use them for the purpose of beating a record. But if they brought them for the sake of emergencies, and refused to use them unless absolutely necessary, wouldn’t a successful climb that way be just as impressive? And that way if they did need it like in this scenario, they have access to it without forcing strangers to pay $80K to bail you out.
She faced a sh$tstorm in France because of that
Maybe because they didn't have a way to prove they weren't really using the oxygen/ropes they brought along? If they took nothing, there would be no doubt they'd qualify.
The route shown at 4:06 is not the Kinshover Route.
A hat that he wore on his head .... groundbreaking stuff this
On his HEAD? Radical fashion choice!
made me laugh too, where was the hat supposed to be worn lol x
90K euro FOR AN EXTRACTION?? LMAO - leave them there
It must really suck to realize youre going to die this time even when doing what ypu really love to do. Alone, cold and sick.
Mountain climbers and cave divers are the worst weekend warriors as most over estimate their expertise then expect others to risk their lives to rescue them. She seems to be especially careless. Shr let others die just to get her ego stroked.
most high altitude climbers don't expect rescue at all.
I disagree. The problem is less ego then the simple fact that even with extensive experience, climbing at this difficulty has so many moving pieces that can cause death/failure and at total random moments that it’s deadly even for the top climbers in the world. Look at the deaths on K2, many are some of the best on earth. They are far far from “weekend warriors.”
"Weekend warriors" 🙄🙄
What does ot say when all your experts die?
Good cave divers aren't dropping like flies, skydiving is more frightening to me.
I'm so early today lol second commnts and fiftith viewer here greatly done
Congratulations 🎉😁
It sounds to me that she made the decision to leave Tomak there knowing she won't be going back. She knew the helicopter wouldn't get to her, going down the mountain doesn't help Tomak in the least. She left him knowing he will die
Yeah she couldn't save him either way... so why stay and die?
As sad as it is, once you can't carry yourself high up on a mountain like that, you can't expect help from anyone
2 of her partners died she could be a murderer and no one will ever know
@@austyn5455she is a murderer
Exactly
When you are using so much O2 you become tired, sleepy and in a dream like state. Like sleep walking.
Did they even try to save tomak? I cant get over how many dead people are left on the mountains!!
Well, there is a fairly obvious reason for that.
I am person who's lived my life being too careful and I've resented myself for it, as I see it as a weakness. But whenever I see events such as this, people you place themselves in high risk situations, those who are never satisfied with their accomplishments thus having to always aim for greater dangerous situations is insane to me and I consider them weak as well. I am glad I'm a bit too careful because it must be exhausting for these people who value their lives so little that they're 'purposely' willing to loss it.
many of these people are depressed or feel zero joy from normal life so they go and "seek meaning" and end up dying like this. I am so glad I was born to enjoy the little things, like sitting in my beautiful sunroom and enjoying nature from there
Note to self, never parter up with that Elizabeth chick or you'll be number three
It's pretty wild. She was on 2 different mountains with different partners...both of which never came back. And she climbed with Daniel Nardi on Nanga (who also later died on a mountain...Nanga again I think? She wasn't there though).
So, Elisabeth had 2 partners die while she was on the mountain with them, and at least one other who climbed with her at one point die later on another climb. She has been surrounded by death in her climbing career. Yet she kept right on climbing.
I have to admit that I do not understand the drive to put myself at death's door for a sport or hobby. Or the ability to choose to leave someone on a mountain to die. It all seems so brutal, heartless and unnecessary to me.