The HORRIBLE Haute Route DISASTER 2018
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On April 29, 2018, a group of 10 experienced skiers, led by Mario Castiglioni, a renowned mountaineer and founder of MLG Mountain Guide, set off on a journey to complete the Chamonix-Zermatt crossing or the Haute Route. They departed from the Dix hut, located in the Swiss Alps, and headed towards the Cabane des Vignettes, which was their destination for the day.
The Haute Route is a popular ski tour that offers breathtaking panoramic views of the Alps, but it can be unforgiving for those who are not prepared. However, the group was well-prepared with Castiglioni's guidance and expertise. Despite the approaching storm, they began their ascent, crossed the Cheilon glacier, and climbed up to the Pigne d'Arolla. From there, they were planning a quick descent to Cabane des Vignettes, but things took a tragic turn when they encountered unexpected circumstances.
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4:08 The guide knew that a dangerous storm was approaching so he chose a route that would shorten the trip BY A FEW HOURS. The last words of many deceased climbers..."A storm is coming but we will go fast and beat the storm".
It always comes down to COMMON SENSE. When the weather first began to change, they should have turned back. It’s always amazing to me why on earth these people never trust the pending storm reports. They should know that weather in the mountains can change from morning to afternoon on a dime. 😢
Common sense means not to go up there in the first place.
hubris
@@CristyB66 I agree.
hard to turn back when it's white off!!
In Norway, we have learned way back from school that you dig into the snow, make a snow cave and wait until the bad weather passes. Why didn't they?
Money spent there plenty of reasons ur not there so don't judge them u sound like a carebare who dosent leave the confort of there own home u don't camp u glamp
Never slept a day outside in a tent in ur life
I’ve done this route and stayed at the Hut. On my trip a young guide got lost with another group on day 2 and had to spend the night out on a glacier in really cold conditions. One of his group had to be taken down with a helicopter due to frost bite …
Sure you did..
@@robjones-qj2jj well I did, soooo, stick to your keyboard, I’ll stick to what I do 👍🏼
As an experienced hiker, i never understood the notion of relying on a guide so heavily. When i go snowshoeing/hiking in the winter above treeline, i usually rely on guides who know the are as well, but i always keep an updated map on my phone in energy saving mode, ask for the route gpx from the guide, look out for the weather myself, etc. and if i think something is risky, i just refuse to go further. It is mind-blowing to me how so many ppl can rely entirely on one guide without even one of them having a map of the area...
So many lives would be saved if people thought ‘oh, the weather’s bad? We better not go’. Instead of ‘oh, the weather’s bad? Let’s go anyways’. 🤦🏼♀️
It’s not so simple. The weather was not bad, an American guide and his group arrived to Vignette hut. He had a GPS. The Italian guide didn’t have one, only his cell phone. Crazy but true
What seems odd to me is the apparent "faulty" or incorrect weather forecast. Usually weather forcasts for the next 12 hours are very reliable. Had the guides consulted the local and regional weather forecasts on the morning of their departure from Cab. des Dix. the forcast period would have been even less than 12 hours. An approaching stromfront would in all likelyhood have been clearly forcast. My conclusion is that they either didn't consult the weather forcast that morning or that they did but suffered from get-there-itis and thought they could beat the storm. Trying to beat a storm in winter high alpine conditions is reckless and a sign of lack of professionalism. Especially if you are guiding a group of skiers who depend on you. Attempting to beat a storm requires everything to work just perfect. Anything that delays the race may lead to disaster. If you're doing this when your're alone, it's your life. But if you are guiding others it is reckless to the extreme.
Summit Fever is a very real thing. Its astounding what people are willing to "forget" in order to reach the top. Which sadly, leads to death. And if they don't die, probably end up permanently crippled from the frostbite.
@@mattjohnson8777 They weren't trying to reach any tops as they were not climbing a mountain. It was a ski tour, the houte route. "Summit fever" was not a thing here
Even the group of Steve House started. The only (but life-saving) difference was that they had working GPS-devices with up-to-date tracks. They scraped through before the storm.
I've seen it time and time again that people are too reliant on their cell phones and GPS. Both are nice to have but you shouldn't rely on them 100%
I totally agree. I'm not a mountaineer...just an old sailor. I use updated paper charts to enter way-points on a chart plotter and several backup GPS's to avoid reefs, shoals, etc along the way. I frequently check Lat & Lon against the paper charts for accuracy. I can't imagine a blinding snow storm although I've seen them from the comfort of my home. The only danger I remember on the water was outrunning a sudden squall and twin waterspouts. I've only seen twins once in my life and they were doing a helluva water dance side by side.
@@ohioguy215 funny that's exactly my background. I learned to navigate on a sailboat with paper charts, dead reckoning and a sextant. My father drilled the importance of this into me. I was in Boston Harbor one time in pea-soup fog. I turned on the GPS and it said I was in South Carolina. Rebooted it turned it on and it said the same thing. Luckily I had been charting our course.
@@paddlefaster Wow that's crazy. A friend was using GPS in his car one night. Told him to turn left which he did. About 1500 yds ahead he came to a screeching halt. He was a few feet from driving off an unlit boat ramp into the water and he wasn't looking for a ramp. If someone wrote a book on GPS fails, I'd buy the first copy.
I am not sure what would work in those conditions. I have tried to hike and ski in both and it’s very difficult. Fortunately I was in terrain I knew well.
It's Castilioni. The "G" is silent.
For anyone that does outdoor activities in the high mountains I highly recommend you read the book Where You’ll Find Me. It’s a very quick read but it will give you some great insight into how death in the mountains often happen.
Winter whites ? Dear God
@@NicoleStevensHays11x Yes but last year a man lost his life in June. Mount Washington can be brutal. Take care
Poor decision making and preparation. Bad choice of guide...
The 72 year old man looks amazing 💃🏽
Exactly what I thought!
He meant to say 'Woman'!
He is amazing. When he got rescued he only had a pulse of 5 beats per minute and a body temperature of 26 degree celsius. But he survived and fully recovered
They mixed up the picture
Ever heard of the expression "calm before the storm"?
Hello everyone
There are no questions to answer; the mountain guide clearly acted with gross negligence.
Why:
- The storm had been predicted for days.
- The group was much too big! You go on such a difficult and long ski tour with 10 people.
- A large group is far too slow and not flexible enough.
- The group was poorly equipped. This means that a life-saving bivouac is a must on every ski tour.
Thank you very much for the film and I wish everyone good tours.
With alpine greetings
Raphael Wellig
Not having power backup for his phone seemed to be the central reason for them getting lost.
Hello BeneThank you for your answer. I agree with you.
I wish you good mountain tours.
Best regards.
Raphael Wellig
You would think every single person on that trip would have brought their own gps with the route loaded, in case you got separated for some reason
Yes, once you are out there, anything can happen. You are in the hands of nature....
That's why you respect weather reports.
Exctly
I just did the Silvretta route, a "baby" version of the Haute route, a couple weeks ago and that was serious terrain. The Alps are an easy place to get yourself in trouble but the accessibility and popularity seems to give many people a false sense of security. While I did my trip DIY we spoke to a number of guides, many of whom appeared to play it pretty fast and loose.
To all you adventuresome winter skiers and hikers out there, you should carry some portable heating devices for emergencies. You can make a portable mini-furnace using a tee and two 90 degree elbows, stick a piece of a fire block in the base of the tee pipe on a small dish, the two 90s out the sides, aim them down, fire it up and huddle around it, give you some heat to at least survive the night! youtube "candle heater." Can even use a aluminum can.
"Bad storm coming .... Oh, what the heck, it's only a hill!! Let's go!!"
Many wrong decitions. Strange considering the very expereinced guide. They should have started to dig them selves down already at lunch. They had forcast of the storm, so it was not a surprise.
Thank you Disaster Stories.
I don't know where you got most of the photographs from but it's not from that part of the route.
The disaster was a typical example of group think and being in the presence of an experienced leader. It's naive to believe that oneself would be immune to it.
Reminds me of the Half Dome Lightning Deaths. The weather changed, but the group did not turn around and descend.
For all the so called experience they all had. They made some seriously rookie mistake. They simply were unprepared and not experienced enough.
You think if you've employed a guide you'll be safe but the mountains have other ideas
I wasn't aware that GPS navigation was available on mountain hikes. Thanks for sharing!
You’re welcome 😇
It available everywhere, but you have to have the right equipment. You also need to have the appropriate maps loaded onto the device for it to be easily useful.
most locations but not guaranteed if weather, out of site of sky or satellites down
At 5:27 look at the ground they're hiking on. Well done.
It is not a mystery at all why they perish. Once you are uo there in zero temperature and howling blizzard, you can not fight mother nature! Just be aware and be prepared for all eventualities
Important is to seak cover from the wind.
Side-topic but it's refreshing to see adults taking breaks from active life. It's almost propaganda that "you should find a job at 25 and work for 40 years". What if the accountant would go insane if they don't take a year off? What if the truck driver needs time to reflect on important stuff? These breaks should be guilt-free, and yet it seems imho like there's a pressure from society (at least the older generation) to not be "lazy" and only take 14 days of paid vacation a year and then when you're retired that's when you get to have fun. To me that's insanity.
Most can’t afford it and would not have a job to return to
@@Dulcimertunes It certainly requires some level of setup and not everyone can just pause for a year even if they live alone.
Incompetence and lack of common sense will often get one killed
All their experience why did they keep walking it’s unbelievable
When you have a guide who is concealing unfavourable contingencies but continuing regardless, experience is of little use, and by the time he died, he had led them to a bad place.
They were within a few hundred metres of the hut when they died, but the crappy contours available on a smart phone do not support routefinding in broken terrain.
Is this a re upload? Swear there was a video of this a while back
Always carry a PLB (personal Locator Beacon) with me.........
Dale remsberg is a guide that has injured himself at least twice. Not a good source.
I was feeling pretty smug about having a hiking GPS until he mentioned that they had one, and it just didn't have the correct route downloaded....
earth is the beautiful and terrifying place at the same time.
G in italian before N or L just adds and i or it is not pronounced at all. Just like Vignette is pronounced Viniet in English, Castiglioni is pronounced Castilioni, or Bagno goes Banio.
I can see:
-Ego issues
-lack of OVERALL planning
-not exactly enough experience
=ed 💀 !
If they all of them had such experience ,with all modern technology to assist them,why no one remember do dig a snow cave for shelter...!!!
150 years ago without any of the life suporte itens that exist today,they knew the Best chance to survive in those conditions,was take shelter in a snow cave.
So,i can say that this group were not so experienced has they claimed.
This should not happen in this days, specialy on a not very difficult route.
I think Ego,like in dozens of times prevail in protect their own name and reputation as a very professional guides,without regard for the safety of their clients.
Unfortunably this still happen a lot with a tragic outcome.
Ego can be your worst Enemy.
Ps: man,for God Sake those Excuses are Ridiculous, afterall you are not on the Himalaias at 7000/8000 Meters.
In my opinion this accidents occur by sheer complancency.
they couldn't build a snow cave because they had no tools for shelter, remember they trusted the guide who said it was going to be a 1 hour hike, not an all afternoon trek in a whiteout. the guide ignored the warning of a storm and they all paid for it with lives lost.
@@mentalasylumescapee6389 they Said that all of them had very good experience in mountains and trekking,so going for one without the Basic "tool's" makes them "fools" because the weather in the mountains can change in a split second.
Its was pure complancency.
@@jpmtlhead39 yeah well look at followers of religion, there is no real proof of "gods" but there's still billions of people worldwide who believe it.
it doesn't matter how smart or "such experience ,with all modern technology to assist them" people, and in this case the climbers still follow blindly.
@@mentalasylumescapee6389 trust me when i say this,in situations like that even the most hardcore Atheist,Starts to "Belivie" and prey to God for Help very,very quickly.
Because ( except one of two cases) nobody wants to die, specialy in a brutal and painfull way.
So their inner self he's asking for "Divine" intervention,but they must keep follow because they know they screw up big time,and there isn't no other way but just to follow the Shadow in front of you.
@@jpmtlhead39 I think they'll only do this if they werent also raised atheist ie, it's like a form of regression to childhood state of fear and you may whatever religious thing you were trained to or comforted by in childhood, even if you don't believe as adult.
For example I lived with grandma catholic til age 6, then raised only vaguely Christian/post-christian, but converted to another religion at 14.
During a traumatic event in my early 20s without thinking I automatically was to rocking back n forth and repeating the Hail Mary 😂
…just past Weekend another 5 people died there :(((
Anyone who uses their phone as a map is no guide....
Never forget the dangers we can find in the mountains!!!!!!!!!!!!WHEN the EGO dulls the mind, death soon follows!!!!
Don't just use a phone map for such high tours.
Use a GPS with the dedicated and alternate route.
Have weather safe stored detailed maps of the Route your are about to go.
At 5:28 it looks like they are standing over a huge skull.
Here is an old fashioned idea; learn your route on a map and take the map with you!
Oh no, a map won’t get you anywhere…here you’ve needed an exact GPS Tracker where you specifically walked the route before and saved the track on your device…they were in a complete whiteout…Mario had a satellite telephone, a GPS tracker, his mobile phone…he didn’t communicate but it’s likely his batteries died quickly, he couldn’t use his devices…
really? a commercial break every 2 minutes, marked now to ignore this channel
Oo i didn't habe a single break not even a pre roll which is pretty rare these days!
MOTHER NATURE DOES NOT FORGIVE ARROGANCE.
12:05 Notice how that scene depiction shows them on a human skull.
Yes, that gave me the chills when I saw it.
tourists: "so you have a smart phone yeah?"
50 year old guide: "yes i have a very smart phone"
*disaster happens*
tourist: "so where's that smart phone???"
50 year old guide pulls out his nokia brick phone....
This proves how poor PROFESSIONAL guides can be. His arrogance caused the issue.
I applaud your commitment but when the weather changes,get off the mountain. No ski trip is worth your lives.
Why didn’t everyone have a smartphone/extra battery and charger with them? If I’m simply visiting a new city in cold weather I have the latest iPhone with a strong battery pack or two. The colder it is, the faster the battery drains.
So many over inflated egos, making terrible decisions. These people believe they are bigger and smarter than the mountain. They are tiny little vulnerable humans, risking the lives of others when they get into bother( always very likely to happen)🙈
haute route = "h" is silent in French at the beginning of a word.
12:05 thought I saw a skull 12:05
i think that‘s a painting and the painter did that on purpose 🤷🏽♀️
@@aensti9077 well, yeah….. I’m aware of that.
Well I must say that there is zero chance that it will happen to me, because being outside away from civilization when it’s cold outside and there’s even a 1% chance for even a dusting of snow isn’t what I’d consider fun, relaxing or anything else ffs. No thank you I’m good😅
Why are people so fond of these suicidal activities
Too many videos on this topic. It's like nobody ever learns anything
If you have to use a cell phone to get around you dont have the specific local knowledge that would make one a guide in the traditional sense.
They were not so competent after all ... They all got what they wanted and could handle it even though they were all ~experts? lol
These people are unbelievable. They are so ill prepared and playing russian roulette with peoples lives
Deez Hutz! …. lol
F that storm and only wussies go back... Put those words on their head stones ... I guess home boy was not so competent? .. God, these stories always sound the same..
Sounds like someone had more money than brains. Like so many of the corpses on Mt. Everest. I do think people who can afford to go do these things are too used to being able to buy their way out of trouble, which puts them at a disadvantage when trouble in wilderness areas strikes. It's the mental outlook I'm talking about. Me, I avoid doing dangerous things...even if I didn't care about my own life, getting myself killed would hurt my family too much. I'm not saying I've never taken chances, but only when I was young and foolish.
I think the people who have the leisure and money to do these activities get accustomed to everything going their way, and that is why they become reckless.
You intentionally set out on a pointless trip and knew the risks no one outside of your immediate family and hiking community cares or feels bad.
Only a coward turns around