How Final Fantasy defined weird JRPG fashion
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2019
- Why is JRPG fashion so dramatic and over-the-top? Final Fantasy has a lot to do with it, but the real inspiration is even older than that.
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Amano created the art. Nomura brought the E D G E.
Not the B E L T S ?
don't forget the Z I P P E R S
Zippers
@@akiinmoonlight79 z i p p e r m a n
what about the S T U D S ?
So FF really means Fabulous Fashion.
indeed😂♥️
Nova Fashion Fabulous Crystallus
Still to this age, its stands by his name
Is FF a jrpg
"optional suspenders, mandatory garters" is the dress code for my bimonthly murder mystery party.
"actually, women don't need pockets" - a purse ad
sounds like something a purse ad would say
Very interesting video!
Really cool seeing the direct fashion influences from these designers
SuperButterBuns whoooaaaa .... I feel like I bumped to a celebrity in a stroll X'D Nomura styles always interesting to me even though sometimes he has some kind of fetish of the year or something...
What's up Buns?! I just finished watching your P5 guide video haha
Oh, hi Buns! Fancy seeing you here!
Before FFXV, it was crazy to think that any of the outfits in FF or Kingdom Hearts could be inspired by real world fashion, eh? You look at Lulu with the belt skirt and think "nah, you could never integrate that into a real life outfit". It's always refreshing to find out that maybe it's not as far fetched as it first seemed!
so this was in your recommended too, huh?
Thank you for introducing me to the best name for a fashion movement, "Crow Tribe".
Crow Tribe and Goth Ninja albums always get my love on fashion boards..
Rise up crows caw caw
no mourners? anyone?
omg as soon as she said Crow Tribe I googled it !!!
I mean it was literally taken from the Crow tribe people.
Needs more zippers.
The zippers need zippers and also a a few belts on said mini zippers.
Nah we on kh3, it's plaid time
STICKY FINGAH
Zipper within zipper await you ListerTunes.
Also belts
I have a whole new perspective on the Freddy Slimburger Jr. thumbnail that pops up at the end. He's just so fashionable.
I miss Slimeburger 😭
And so so good at sittynine
Polygon. Why. I just finished writing a 10,000 page paper of costume in video games and you release this NOW???
10,000 pages?!
@@taewae 9,980 pages of just screenshots for reference obviously :)
I'm legit interested in reading!
Ten thousand pages? That's my word count on my paper!
I always liked Cloud's outfit. It looks like the remnants of a uniform from his time in SOLDIER but adapted for civilian life. And its slight bagginess hilights how young he is despite having gone through so much already.
It functional
Fun fact: Amano's amazing illustrations are also HEAVILY influenced by a Russian painter/costume designer Leon Bakst. Bakst was also teacher to Marc Chagall at one point :)
I hadn't thought of it but now that you point it out, I totally see it in Amano's work! Bakst was a MASTER, I kind of wish stage costume referenced him more often as well!
This was so interesting. I remember trying to draw final fantasy outfits in middle school lol. Also love the guest-expert!
Everytime I see a polygon vid it's like coming up for air. Love this channel
We got through this whole video without mentioning Gackt, somehow. I thought Reggie Casual might mention it, but no....
Gackt was the face of J-Rock, and one of the biggest reasons behind the looks of the characters in FF games
maybe they both played crisis core and decided they couldn't stomach putting genesis in this video (since if you mention gackt+ff you can't exactly leave him out)
Squall outfit looks like Gackts Malice Mizer live outfit lol. For sure they referenced Gackt alot. They had Gackt sing in FF8 then they modeled Genesis after Gackt.
I think what is not talk about at all is Visual Kei which is the andrognous rock style in Japan that was popular in the 90's. I can see Jrpg games taking some inspirstion from this fashion movement/music culture, especially the distinct Jrock Hair . . . also seen in hosts nowadays.
I've been fascinated by JRPG fashion for ages, especially after realizing how much growing up playing Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts influenced my own personal tastes and character designs. It's super cool seeing how it evolves alongside real life fashion styles!!
Yeah you forgot another FF character designer called Akihiko Yoshida, who combined medieval-rennaissance fashion with lingerie
yes!
Yoshida is the other great Square artist, not Nomura
So glad someone gave Yoshida a shout-out! His designs in the Ivalice series were my childhood. The sensuality he shared with _male_ characters in those games turned my world upside down.
Linking Amano’s style to Ukiyo-e also explains the sultry, dreamy expressions common between his work and Yoshida’s. That’s something I’d been trying to put my finger on for a while :D
Yoshida was the guy who was allergic to noses?
I'm glad there's cultured fans out here. Don't get me wrong I love Nomura & his art too but I'm sick of social media thinking he's the only best thing out of modern SE. Too many sleep on our lord & saviour Yoshida-san.
Yoshida is great, his Bravely Default and Nier Automata stuff is pretty awesome.
I would like to purchase a BABYMETAL woodblock print please
But first you have to travel through the Road of Resistance
@@noctuadiscipulum9715 I'm fine with that as long as you Gimme Chocolate
Polygon at it's best! I love when the Poly-peeps crack open their heads/hearts and pour out the things that fascinate them.
>Poly-peeps
👀
Poly...peeps
I loved this video! People sometimes forget that fashion is a very important element of every culture and the way it's portrayed in videogames has always been so interesting to me. I wish the video was longer and more in detail about more videogame sagas! Great work
“Optional suspenders - MANDATORY garters” has changed my life
This was really cool and informative. This angle and depth of research (reaching out to a YTuber whose big into JP fashion?! Whaaaat!!) Was really something else. Hoping to see what you'll make next!
NO EXPLANATION FOR TIDUS'S SHORTS
Or Sora's shoes
KappaRoss Sora was meant to look like Mickey Mouse with the big pants and shoes. The protagonist was actually supposed to be Donald or Mickey, but Disney vetoed that idea.
I always figured Nomura really likes skater fashion, which is why Tidus, Sora, Ven, etc all wear shorts.
HA HA HA HA
Only one of his knees was cold
KappaRoss or his romper
"JRPG outfits are dumb."
Stares at Warhammer figurines while thinking about all the leather daddies who are supposed to be rogues or musketeers on television.
"Riiiiiiiiiight."
Oversized pauldrons and boots the size of bathtubs can be pretty dumb too. Equal-opportunity dumbness, if you will.
@@NiceTryLaoChe Exactly. Stupid is a language we can all learn. And sometime we've just got to embrace the shlock.
Both can be dumb. I've always thought that WoW or Warhammer aesthetic looked fucking stupid. I get that those universes are over the top, but there is value in restraint.
@@RicochetForce I agree
@@RicochetForce I've actually got a very jarring suggestion for you, and I think you might get a kick out of it, but it's a mere suggestion.
Most Warhammer figurines are an oddity, with the occasional down-to-earth exceptions. But we're gonna ignore those. Instead, see if you can find a pdf for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, 2nd edition. I'm not going to pretend there isn't still some ridiculousness, but go to both the basic jobs and advanced jobs section. For someone used to Warhammer being over-the-top, it's a breath of fresh air.
Damn. I never knew that I was looking at HIGH FASHION when I played Final Fantasy games. I just knew there clothes always looked nice but were somehow "unobtainable".
God I love a Jenna video and how well researched she is
i honestly cant think of a way to praise this video enough! it manages to fit so many well explained and super interesting pieces of information into such a short amount of the time, the polish and work in this shines through thank you so much for making it, final fantasy is my favourite series and i loved learning about this aspect of it
I love this! The fashion choices are integral to the character designs. Like, learning about the roots of Tidus's aesthetic actually fleshes him out as a character in my eyes. Thank you Jenna & Polygon
Yeah, it honestly does. Tidus is a celebrity, of course he looks like a boy band member!
This is. Such a perfect cross-section of my interests... I'm in love...
I could watch a whole series about this.
Jenna I love this! A good light history of JRPG fashion.
love this!!! love the guest expert, love the conversation topic!!! I’d def love to see more ‘character design + fashion’ topic videos from polygon
Whatever Jenna's lip color is - I love it and want it!!
Yes! Her makeup game is ON POINT!
Noooo
I was thinking it might involve Lime Crime’s Gemini Diamond Crusher, which is now discontinued, because of course.
I love the jackets from FF8 that Squall and Zell wear that only cover the chest area, but leave the midriff free.
A long time ago, I tought of all these outfits, specially the ones in TWEWY, as just exaggerations that went along with the genre. I just replayed TWEWY and basically finally understood the whole thing, how fashion, environment, trends and friends affect somebody. It's an interesting idea to introduce on a videogame.
*When you slowly start to realize ¾ of the clothes you bought were because your fashion tastes comes from Final Fantasy*
😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵
Jonic_P the belt rack at the local goodwill is my kryptonite
@@phoenixfritzinger9185 Considering this is coming from Moira... That makes a ton of sense...
*How Tetsuya Nomura defined JRPG fashion
It's always interesting to me to hear how these people such as tetsyua Nourma and many more have brought real world fashion into these video games to create distinct yet familiar style. I loved this video because it really goes to show how much time and care is put into these design choices and I love how we the fans can dissect it and create analysises out of it.
My finger randomly clicked this video, and now that I've watched it, it makes character designing much easier for me for my dream career lmao
This is so great!! I love seeing things from Jenna, she's so talented! Such a good video, so informative! (& the "still not cool" on the pic at the end.... Thank U)
(also on the topic of fashion, Jenna's look in this video is 1000/10 :D )
Whoa, this video is so awesome!! I love learning about character design and fashion, and I didn’t realize there was so much historical and cultural context in those crazy designs. Thank you Jenna! I’d love to see more of these c: 💕
Jenna that was the most expertly dropped "fuckin'" I've heard in a long while
Ive always believed that jrpg fashion is on the same level or even above high fashion even by today
excellent video - well researched, well presented, and jenna is serving looks as usual. love it!
The Sexy Zone sounds like the McElroy's next podcast.
Excellent video and research! You folks at Polygon are sure putting in the work.
I now must know everything about crow tribe, oh my gosh.
Sadly you guys didn't mention my favorite Character Designer of the Final Fantasy series, Akihiko Yoshida :(
This was a really really well versed video! Super interesting and well sourced and researched.
I really like JRPG fashion. I think FFX-2 and XIII series had the best fashion. I loved the outfits in Lightning Returns, like the Miqote cat outfit, dark muse and amazoness. X-2's Rikku is by far my favourite though, followed by Yuffie in advent children, Yuna's songstress and Lightning's Guardian corps. For guys, Noctis's is pretty cool, and Balthier in XII.
Can we just talk about how Dunban’s outfit was labelled “dream daddy”.
Being a huge fan of fashion, this video is so great! Thank you for making it! Also, super happy to see my boy Reggie on it as well, he's an awesome dude I watch everyday!
I'd love to see a series about FF fashion, with a focus on each main title game and the ideas that inspired the theme for the main characters outfits!! This was so interesting. ^_^
I gotta be honest this really opened my eyes.
who got REALLY INTO that Crow Tribe where you at kindred?
For real yah
I've been channelling the aesthetic for years and I didn't know it had a name until now, I'm glad there's a name for it
I did NOT expect to see the jpop boy bands I grew up with show up in a Polygon video but im here for it!! this was such an interesting topic!
this was very cool and informative, thank you! I absolutely LOVE the fashion in JRPGs, have loved it since I was a kid. I wish I could pull off similar looks myself. it's just so vibrant, unique, and personalized.
This was so great. It's awesome to learn how something I love was inspired by something the creators loved!
This is one of my favorite Polygon videos ever. Jenna is so wonderful.
Okay it might not be dumb but a single pant leg still sends me into a rage
Fascinating! Thanks, Jenna! Great work as always.
That was interesting!
I've always admired Amano and Nomura's works.
Tetsuya Nomura's character designs are one of the best!
Sepheroth looks like a DMC cosplayer on his way to an Oakland Raiders game. There. I said it.
Guess i will get some jrpg fashion elements into outfit now
Great video. Jenna really comes up with some great topics.
This is so cool! It's something I've never even considered but it's so interesting to know the history!
Wow :) this video was really interesting, it gave me a good insight into my favourite games and where the inspiration was for there design. Therefore some clothes in final fantasy where I think "that's a little overdone" but then sometimes overdone things are super funny xD. Great video! Hope to see more like it soon :)
Great job! Loved the video.
I miss my daily polygon content! I need more Jenna. I need more Pat. I need more Simone. I need more Clayton. Where's my BDG? The only reason I know/care what Polygon is is because of the crazy videos you guys were constantly making. Bring those back please :D
As soon as I saw the title I thought this was gonna be my jam, and I gotta say I love everything about this video.
I don't care what anybody says, I farking LOVE the fashions of most JRPGs, especially FF. Amano and Nomura are design legends in my book.
Excellent stuff, thank you Jenna and Polygon.
yess great! would love to see more of these kinds of videos please. i love seeing how video games intersect with other fields!
This clears up so much! Amazing vid!!!
0:07 "tic-tac pouches" "can we not"
im ded.
This was really cool! Short and sweet with a lot of cool information in it.
Well done video. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I’m always excited for Jenna to teach me something new and incredibly specific.
I did a study of FF's visual design a few years ago, but the connection you drew here between Amano and ukiyo-e is what finally seals the deal. Those sultry, dreamy bedroom eyes were a staple of Squaresoft's design for so long. We also see this sensual expressiveness with Akihiko Yoshida's work in Tactics Ogre and Vagrant Story :D
It's also interesting to see how Japanese design sensibilities transformed punk into something like visual kei, even giving Gackt multiple sort-of-cameos in the series.
"how does this belt work" did it for me
This was VERY interesting. I see the effort that went into this and I appreciate it.
Awesome video. Really fascinating stuff.
I subcsribed to the Polygon channel for BDG, but this is one of my favourite videos here. Excellent work.
I love a well-researched Jenna video. Keep it up!
This was very informative and entertaining. Thank you
This was a really awesome video!
KILLED it! nice work!
"And to a little thing called Kingdom Hearts."
Kingdom Hearts: **laughs in convoluted storyline**
Love this video! I learned so much
It can be dumb and fashion at the same time. Amano's designs usually inform you about the character. Nomura's designs usually inform you about Nomura.
I mean, Reggie Casual was explaining specifically how Nomura designs reflected exactly those characters, but you can go ahead and ignore most of the video I guess.
Honestly, I love Amano's art, but his designs weren't always as... descriptive as you're saying. I love Bartz and Firion to bits, but their designs don't have any connection to their actual characters.
Yeah because you totally get absolutely 0 concept of a characters personality out of nomuras designs.
Fuck outta here.
@@EinDose yea dude i love how sora's outfit really tells you that he's a kid who basically grew up on an island. ridiculous. some of nomura's designs work, but most of the time it feels like it was a 6 year old who made it. Just look at the character designs on "the bouncer". most of the time its purely made to be flashy, its like fashion fast-food. points for creativity i guess, but not much else.
@@caiopatric I think Sora is a bit of an outlier, because he's specifically supposed to mix with both that 'street fashion' Final Fantasy style and classic Disney. He's always going to feel a little 'off'.
The Bouncer, honestly, makes total sense. It's VERY '90s fashionable street punk', with a few sprinkles of classical Japanese styles in parts of it. It fits what it is, quality of some designs aside--of course, that whole package is a bit of a horrid snarl in general.
@@EinDose Well the quality of the design comes first to me, the reasons come as a bonus later, which can help me appreciate it even more. it's not just sora, its most characters in kingdom hearts, with a few exceptions. A game where his designs really shine is The World Ends With You. that game was perfect for him, its all about street fashion and he did it in a way that doesnt make the characters look ridiculous and too unpractical. unfortunately i cant say that most of the time. im not saying he's an awful designer, just that he should've stuck more often with just monster designs.
Such a great video, thank you!
So I'm NOT weird for liking the fashion in JRPGs! I just have a high taste in fashion!
I'm very glad you pulled out all the stops on the purple glitter lipstick for this fashion vid, Jenna. A+
I don’t play Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts, but I LOVE the designs.
I need to rewatch this at like 1/4 speed to actually appreciate all the outfits in this new light!
I know nothing about fashion so it's really interesting to hear this. Great job!
I love Amano's art and Nomura's style. Nomura and Hiromu Takahara were long time friends (rip Takahara). Takahara and his brand Black Honey Chili Cookie are actually in Neo: TWEWY.
Of course Reggie is the GOAT and I love that you hit him up for the vid.
the lipstick though
I was expecting a jokey video, and instead I learned something about Japan. Cool.
Such a great video! +1 subscriber :)
I was really hoping this would be the next Unraveled. Bring Final Fantasy to the fashion show, y'all.
(FFX2 wins by default)