Big bug with green flashes. Never happens on the first export, but I'll watch the video back, fix some stuff, re-export and I'll only notice it the next day when I re-watch the video right before publishing. Website is fully finished and tested, but one of the pages shows some of my dev work and I want to have a couple really good projects to show on day 1 since most people won't be checking back regularly. Everything will be open sourced as well so I also need to make sure the code is readable and maintainable.
This is a top tier review. New sub. I have watched about a hundred ThinkPad videos trying to figure out the various models and this did the best of explaining Xenon to me.
Can you elaborate? I'm pretty sure Quadros use the same GPUs and have basically the same processing power as GeForce counterparts, what makes them geared towards professional use is the much higher VRAM and the power connectors moved to the back of the card rather than the side. I don't think that means GeForce cards are less precise.
@@davidmeisinger5511 from what i understand nvidia kind of kneecaps their geforce gpus with drivers that arent suited for CAD and other professional applications.
@@davidmeisinger5511 Specific software optimization and certification for Quadro cars make them a lot more expensive and also a lot more capable in certain professional use cases (sometimes with the lower tiers outperforming 2080's)
@@davidmeisinger5511 Quadro RTX4000 crushes RTX2080 in 3D rendering. Not even close. It's day and night. Quadro is not optimized for gaming so most people don't have any idea just by looking at benchmark numbers. It's like comparing a Porsche(RTX2080) to a fire truck (Quadro). Porsche for speed. Fire truck for getting work done.
@@asok2siam911 you do realize that's not how that works, right? 3D rendering is faster because of the much higher available VRAM. Quadros all use GeForce equivalent GPU dies and in terms of just raw compute power, they're the same. This "not optimized for gaming" thing is just not true. Benchmarks usually benchmark performance, not gaming performance, just so you know. You can't just ignore factual data.
It's interesting you say the trackpad has a soft touch finish that feels like silicone since according to the spec sheet for this model the trackpad is supposed to be GLASS.
7:58 That is not really correct. Practically speaking, pretty much every x86 processor has some sort of SIMD instructions for >64 bit operations. AVX-512 is the newest of these instructions and has largest width. There's also AVX-256, AVX-128, and the older SSE instructions which are very common.
AVX-512 is a massive throughout boost, but: - Pretty much only MATLAB / deep learning will benefit - It causes your CPU to hit its power limit pretty much instantly, so it's not much faster after all - It's possible to bypass the soft power limits by overclocking on K chips, so you can get the most out of it. Unfortunately, overclocking and scientific computing are pretty much mutually exclusive
Didn't know about the second point. I mostly looked at the programming and performance part of it, but I guess I'll have to consider other factors before implementing it into my libraries. Thanks!
I think it would come down to performance (bit better thermals, Radeon 5600M is faster, and manual can control), speakers, battery and trackpad on the MacBook Pro, and keyboard, upgradability, port selection for convenience, and the screen (assuming 1080p HDR) for the ThinkPad
@@firozshaik7647 Thinkpads are better. But it depends on configurations. Get Thinkpad if you dont need to use OSX, if you need to use osx then get a mac.
I have one and it's keep restarting forever without going to windows. Nobody knows what's the reason, logically all the hardware tested and are fine. the laptop sometimes works for hours and sometimes keep restarting for hours. This is sick. I wasted my money by buying this
@@stephenkamenar if you go by % for that lots of people, it would be fractional. Well, it's not even about how fast others can type but 105 wpm is no slouch for sure.
@@niravarora9887 idk i've seen 8 year old kids typing at like 160. about a year of practice and you're way beyond 100, 100wpm is pretty pathetic if you've used a keyboard for many years
Quadro RTX4000 crushes RTX2080 in 3D rendering. Not even close. It's day and night. Quadro is not optimized for gaming so most people don't have any idea just by looking at benchmark numbers. It's like comparing a Porsche(RTX2080) to a fire truck (Quadro). Porsche for speed. Fire truck for getting work done.
You may be a little misinformed... I work with 3D sofware lke blender and houdini...and a gtx 1080 beats the quadro rtx at gpu accelerated renders like redshift and cycles...so its not quite right what you saying
Lenovo is bad and poor quality.I purchased a LENOVO Thinkpad just about an year ago. However, the laptop just started crumbling around the hinge area. Bad construct and casing. Raised this with Lenovo and they refused to get this fixed and claim this is just out of warranty. Even when I am willing to pay, they now claim they have no parts. Bunch of crap and extremely poor service. Unfortunately, the laptop works fine, just that it cannot be closed or opened as the entire casing is just crumbling. I recommend that you talk about quality and service records as well so your subscribers can be warned. Thanks
I disagree. It would be awesome if it came with AMD Ryzen PRO 4750U with ECC memory instead Intel nonsense. I don't believe a PRO version (required for ECC memory support) similar to 4900HS was ever announced, but if something like PRO 4950HS existed, that would be even better.
@@willapanews9761 Are you talking about notebook parts in general? If so, the same goes for Intel, except for Mobile Xeon. AMD doesn't have a counterpart mobile part, which is exactly what I was complaining about. Are you saying AMD as a whole doesn't support ECC? Have you ever heard of EPYC? Also, some AM4 boards support ECC just fine with Ryzen CPU (non-APU) and *PRO* versions of Ryzen APU. I know, because I have had one ECC error on my only 24H/365D system using PRO APU in 2.5 years.
I can’t decide. I need a laptop for office work. That means: good keyboard. Anti Clare display. And great battery life. So which laptop is the best. XPS 13 or X1 or P1 or Huawei or HP or Surface. I am overwhelmed. I just want a laptop. 😔😢
@@hf2943 exactly, i dont know what happen in the head of R&D Thinkpad division when they make that ugly logo there. I meant other series like legion, slim, compact keep their logo simple and beautifully placed. Thinkpad? Lets make it super ugly that people will look at it forever
it's funny, i've heard lots of things about thinkpads, but i'd never have thought that anybody would be appaled by the logo. i'd think even if you don't particularly like it, you can just ignore it. but interesting to hear that this is putting some people off... (i think it looks great btw, i also liked the old IBM logo)
It’s really funny because as one who has used thinkpad all my life, the logo and the design is so familiar and comfortable to me. No matter what laptops I marvel at (such as the XPS 15 and 17 recently), when I see the classic black and the logo I know it’s a friend, loyal and reliable. I might well be getting another thinkpad this year or next, despite all the goodies on the market at the moment...
Did anybody try it with external monitors? I have an X1 Extreme gen1 with GeForce, and I still have problems with external (ThinkVision p32U) monitors. Nobody knows what the problem is, support neither. Mainboard was replaced 3 times. What Lenovo support does is simply inacceptable. I will tell it on any forums as long as I don't get a solution for this problem.
@wird klap then they will have less battery, and it's OK. I just want the option. Can you understand? I like thinkpads but without a 120hz option I'll have to go razer blade.
ThinkPads are *the Best Laptops...* *Unfortunately* it is with Chinese people... 16 years I was using ThinkPads only.. now recently Switched over to Dell Precision 3551 & 7550...
Lenovo is bad and poor quality.I purchased a LENOVO Thinkpad just about an year ago. However, the laptop just started crumbling around the hinge area. Bad construct and casing. Raised this with Lenovo and they refused to get this fixed and claim this is just out of warranty. Even when I am willing to pay, they now claim they have no parts. Bunch of crap and extremely poor service. Unfortunately, the laptop works fine, just that it cannot be closed or opened as the entire casing is just crumbling. I recommend that you talk about quality and service records as well so your subscribers can be warned. Thanks
Big bug with green flashes. Never happens on the first export, but I'll watch the video back, fix some stuff, re-export and I'll only notice it the next day when I re-watch the video right before publishing. Website is fully finished and tested, but one of the pages shows some of my dev work and I want to have a couple really good projects to show on day 1 since most people won't be checking back regularly. Everything will be open sourced as well so I also need to make sure the code is readable and maintainable.
How would you compare ThinkPad P1 and ThinkPad X1 Extreme?
This is a top tier review. New sub.
I have watched about a hundred ThinkPad videos trying to figure out the various models and this did the best of explaining Xenon to me.
The best tech reviewer! i hate those reviewer who show their face too much not the product! keep it up man!
Great review with lots of useful details for someone shopping around. Thank you.
Keep going with your reviews. I am sure you will grow. Awesome reviews.
Another huge thing for me on the keyboard is that it is one of the few laptops which still has dedicated page up and page down keys.
You use that?
@@UmarMunir94 if you ever read tons of pdfs for work, it's a god send. So yes, pg up down is incredibly helpful.
NB KW but arrow keys
in web browsers though they are useless as we can use vim mode extensions and don't move hand out from middle row.
Quadros slay in engineering CAD work. They’re able to perform at a precision that GeForce cards can’t.
Can you elaborate? I'm pretty sure Quadros use the same GPUs and have basically the same processing power as GeForce counterparts, what makes them geared towards professional use is the much higher VRAM and the power connectors moved to the back of the card rather than the side. I don't think that means GeForce cards are less precise.
@@davidmeisinger5511 from what i understand nvidia kind of kneecaps their geforce gpus with drivers that arent suited for CAD and other professional applications.
@@davidmeisinger5511 Specific software optimization and certification for Quadro cars make them a lot more expensive and also a lot more capable in certain professional use cases (sometimes with the lower tiers outperforming 2080's)
@@davidmeisinger5511 Quadro RTX4000 crushes RTX2080 in 3D rendering. Not even close. It's day and night. Quadro is not optimized for gaming so most people don't have any idea just by looking at benchmark numbers. It's like comparing a Porsche(RTX2080) to a fire truck (Quadro). Porsche for speed. Fire truck for getting work done.
@@asok2siam911 you do realize that's not how that works, right? 3D rendering is faster because of the much higher available VRAM. Quadros all use GeForce equivalent GPU dies and in terms of just raw compute power, they're the same. This "not optimized for gaming" thing is just not true. Benchmarks usually benchmark performance, not gaming performance, just so you know. You can't just ignore factual data.
It's interesting you say the trackpad has a soft touch finish that feels like silicone since according to the spec sheet for this model the trackpad is supposed to be GLASS.
Finally a review that does not call Thunderbolt 3 ports USB-C ports. Thank you Sir!
7:58 That is not really correct. Practically speaking, pretty much every x86 processor has some sort of SIMD instructions for >64 bit operations. AVX-512 is the newest of these instructions and has largest width. There's also AVX-256, AVX-128, and the older SSE instructions which are very common.
Lenovo thinkpad are simply perfect
AVX-512 is a massive throughout boost, but:
- Pretty much only MATLAB / deep learning will benefit
- It causes your CPU to hit its power limit pretty much instantly, so it's not much faster after all
- It's possible to bypass the soft power limits by overclocking on K chips, so you can get the most out of it. Unfortunately, overclocking and scientific computing are pretty much mutually exclusive
Didn't know about the second point. I mostly looked at the programming and performance part of it, but I guess I'll have to consider other factors before implementing it into my libraries. Thanks!
Lmao everytime i see this, i feel like im in class
Alif Ik right
Ikr we use these laptops at school and we have to pay for em 💰
Great review👍 I use cad build 3d architecture model and rendering. Which labtop do you recommend？ Thanks
Great review! How would the xeon go with music production?
Probably overkill
Thank you for the upload. Apart from operating systems and if you had to decide between this and the MacBook Pro 16, which one would you choose?
I think it would come down to performance (bit better thermals, Radeon 5600M is faster, and manual can control), speakers, battery and trackpad on the MacBook Pro, and keyboard, upgradability, port selection for convenience, and the screen (assuming 1080p HDR) for the ThinkPad
Infinity Labs you mean macbook is better?
Any suggestions from you? I am confused too...
@@firozshaik7647 Thinkpads are better. But it depends on configurations. Get Thinkpad if you dont need to use OSX, if you need to use osx then get a mac.
Mate, where have you been? It's been 3 years!
Are you going to try ThinkPad's laptops Linux edition with Fedora?
Excellent review!
What do u think is better for engineering tools,
Lenovo ThinkPad p1
Xeon E2176M
Or
Dell precision 7530
i7 8850H
،both have Quadro p2000
Thanks for review
Bro. Gen 3 is now released.
I have one and it's keep restarting forever without going to windows. Nobody knows what's the reason, logically all the hardware tested and are fine. the laptop sometimes works for hours and sometimes keep restarting for hours. This is sick. I wasted my money by buying this
watching your video on W520
I appreciate this review but the upspeak drove me crazy 🙉
Keyboard is not "very similar" to the 2015 macbook pro. The key travel and feel is much better than the 2015 macbook pro. I have both.
All it really needs is a Ryzen mobile 4000 series chip and higher refresh and it's good
You could use student versions of cad softwares, or specwievperf :)
I bought a Lenovo X1 Yoga gen 3 a couple of months ago. Shit is amazing!
Does it have Ethernet?
@@kreamygloriouskakesbytameka Yes
I just want it for my online classes. Is it any good for that ?
with a t1000 4gb 32gb i7 8c16t how many frames will cs2 get thank you low res and video settings
With the t1000 4gb gpu 8c16t will it play cs2 what is the battery life like 1-4 hours full load?
Problem with this laptop is that the fan only start spinning at 90 degrees
how many years this laptop can perform well? usually
What is the website you used to try the trackpad?
This is the Gen 2 (2019) version, right? The Gen 3 (2020) version should be available in a few weeks, in July 2020.
On 4:52 you can see, that it is a Gen 2
you're brave to mention your typing speed of 105 wpm
Why? That's pretty good speed, even as a programmer, I have never been able to anywhere around that.. the max I reach is like 75-80 wpm
@@niravarora9887 lots of people type at 200wpm. i'm sure some of them are in the comments ready to say how slow we are
@@stephenkamenar if you go by % for that lots of people, it would be fractional. Well, it's not even about how fast others can type but 105 wpm is no slouch for sure.
@@niravarora9887 idk i've seen 8 year old kids typing at like 160. about a year of practice and you're way beyond 100, 100wpm is pretty pathetic if you've used a keyboard for many years
@@stephenkamenar okay!
surprisingly, I found ideapad 5 pro keyboard is more tactile and give less fatigue.
2:25 i thought my macbook screen cable is loose lol
what is the software you use for the checking the precision of the touchpad
mouseaccuracy.com/
For the typing test, typetest.io
Infinity Labs Thanks mate
Quadro RTX4000 crushes RTX2080 in 3D rendering. Not even close. It's day and night. Quadro is not optimized for gaming so most people don't have any idea just by looking at benchmark numbers. It's like comparing a Porsche(RTX2080) to a fire truck (Quadro). Porsche for speed. Fire truck for getting work done.
You may be a little misinformed...
I work with 3D sofware lke blender and houdini...and a gtx 1080 beats the quadro rtx at gpu accelerated renders like redshift and cycles...so its not quite right what you saying
very professional.
Lenovo is bad and poor quality.I purchased a LENOVO Thinkpad just about an year ago. However, the laptop just started crumbling around the hinge area. Bad construct and casing.
Raised this with Lenovo and they refused to get this fixed and claim this is just out of warranty. Even when I am willing to pay, they now claim they have no parts. Bunch of crap and extremely poor service. Unfortunately, the laptop works fine, just that it cannot be closed or opened as the entire casing is just crumbling. I recommend that you talk about quality and service records as well so your subscribers can be warned. Thanks
Which generation P1 this is?
I'm getting one for video editing because my laptop now has 2gb of ram and no storage so I need this
Hope is very good in lending after editing
It would be even better if it was 16:10
How about alianware m15 r3 vs thinkpad p1gen 3 which one better ????
Nice video
They lost me at the non standard Ethernet port, around 6:30
what a pity
p50 then
Yeah wtf is that even
If you compare it to a new MBP 16 inch and then let me know !
Fun fact my school uses these and they don’t have modern Ones
Which game is it?
ur typing is a flash boy!
Ethernet port... Lenovo. 🤷♂️
yeah, and vga and dvi and and... oh wait, it has thunderbolt 3...
What's that website you use at the 2:00 ???
the thinkpad X1extreme gen1 and P1 gen1 can not upgrade wifi card to the latest wifi6...see reddit for detail
Would you get a Thinkpad P1 or Dell Precision 5540 for running thing like AutoCAD?
Go for Thinkpad
ASUS Zephyrus G14 with Ryzen 9
Try HP ZBOOK15?
Go cheap one. Divide p1 price by 5 and go with that one.
How to open cd tray in this lap
Isn't there a button?
What is this game? :”D
Doom eternal
I disagree. It would be awesome if it came with AMD Ryzen PRO 4750U with ECC memory instead Intel nonsense.
I don't believe a PRO version (required for ECC memory support) similar to 4900HS was ever announced, but if something like PRO 4950HS existed, that would be even better.
AMD does not support ecc memory.
@@willapanews9761 Are you talking about notebook parts in general? If so, the same goes for Intel, except for Mobile Xeon. AMD doesn't have a counterpart mobile part, which is exactly what I was complaining about. Are you saying AMD as a whole doesn't support ECC? Have you ever heard of EPYC? Also, some AM4 boards support ECC just fine with Ryzen CPU (non-APU) and *PRO* versions of Ryzen APU. I know, because I have had one ECC error on my only 24H/365D system using PRO APU in 2.5 years.
Is this the gen 3?
No bruh 2
Nice.
I wish the track point was black
I can’t decide. I need a laptop for office work. That means: good keyboard. Anti Clare display. And great battery life. So which laptop is the best. XPS 13 or X1 or P1 or Huawei or HP or Surface. I am overwhelmed. I just want a laptop. 😔😢
Get a laptop with good keyboard and spill resistent or proof.
Fizzbuzz how is the batterie life ? in a wirkung day?
🖤
Does anyone know what wireless mouse he is using for this review?
It could be the Logitech MX Master.
Can I get IBM badge on these? I hate Lenovo logo so much!
One thing that always keep me away from buying thinkpad, that ugly thinkpad logo in restpad and cover
yep exactly, thats why whenever i see a thinkpad laptop no matter what the specs i just ignore it
@@hf2943 exactly, i dont know what happen in the head of R&D Thinkpad division when they make that ugly logo there. I meant other series like legion, slim, compact keep their logo simple and beautifully placed. Thinkpad? Lets make it super ugly that people will look at it forever
it's funny, i've heard lots of things about thinkpads, but i'd never have thought that anybody would be appaled by the logo. i'd think even if you don't particularly like it, you can just ignore it. but interesting to hear that this is putting some people off... (i think it looks great btw, i also liked the old IBM logo)
Also the display is not that good
It’s really funny because as one who has used thinkpad all my life, the logo and the design is so familiar and comfortable to me. No matter what laptops I marvel at (such as the XPS 15 and 17 recently), when I see the classic black and the logo I know it’s a friend, loyal and reliable. I might well be getting another thinkpad this year or next, despite all the goodies on the market at the moment...
Not even Gen 2?
It says gen 2 in one of the graphs, and you can tell it's gen 2 by the CPU and GPU.
7min of this video is video game footage lol
Review the bottom of my boot next
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Thunderstar u
:gwcorbinholyfuck:
Do i get to keep the timbs
Arrowverse boi Wait you’re alive? What’s your discord
Did anybody try it with external monitors? I have an X1 Extreme gen1 with GeForce, and I still have problems with external (ThinkVision p32U) monitors. Nobody knows what the problem is, support neither. Mainboard was replaced 3 times. What Lenovo support does is simply inacceptable. I will tell it on any forums as long as I don't get a solution for this problem.
ohok
honestly i don't get it why they quit the IBM layout in the keyboard - it was perfect. This one is a POS
I prefer precision5550.
why is his main display of performance him playing DOOM? This isnt meant to be a gaming Laptop...
Why did you repeat word for word what I said in the video?
him playing the game is supposed to show off the performance. what do you think that means
:sperg:
Touchscreen is a deal breaker for me
Then don't pay an extra 385 bucks for it. Problem solved yw.
@@laszlokalman3618 Do you fix Laptops???
4000 cad :(
Bruh I missed the little nub in keyboards
Era que la presentes un poco más sucia.
It's very faulty! Such a disappointment.
well done) go for xps 17
Why would you?
Lenovo thinkpad p1
We need 120hz lenovo!!!!
@wird klap you can chose 60/120! 120 on power 60 on battery ;)) hope this helps
@wird klap then they will have less battery, and it's OK. I just want the option. Can you understand? I like thinkpads but without a 120hz option I'll have to go razer blade.
what is up with those huge ass bezels? wtf lenovo
I've always hated Thinkpad's trackpads. It's weird to me 😂😂
i always disable thinkpad's trackpads anyway
@@drwuro lol
ThinkPads are *the Best Laptops...* *Unfortunately* it is with Chinese people...
16 years I was using ThinkPads only.. now recently Switched over to Dell Precision 3551 & 7550...
So they decided to keep that ugly ass carbon fiber look. mmmk.
Ugly, plastic disaster design. Looks like used Walmart crap for $100.
the P1 favours more to developing and machine learning training- hence the XEON processor
Lenovo is bad and poor quality.I purchased a LENOVO Thinkpad just about an year ago. However, the laptop just started crumbling around the hinge area. Bad construct and casing.
Raised this with Lenovo and they refused to get this fixed and claim this is just out of warranty. Even when I am willing to pay, they now claim they have no parts. Bunch of crap and extremely poor service. Unfortunately, the laptop works fine, just that it cannot be closed or opened as the entire casing is just crumbling. I recommend that you talk about quality and service records as well so your subscribers can be warned. Thanks
I prefer precision5550.