Are Ableton Live 12 MIDI Tools Worth The Hype?
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2024
- MIDI Tools in Live 12 should've been truly game changing... some of them are, some are far from useful... 🤷♂️
Fortunately enough, Max 4 Live developers don't miss. Chord Pallete should be here by default. But it's free and you can grab it here:
mgfaudio.gumroad.com/l/chord_...
Don't know bout you, but I can't wait to see what's to come with M4L MIDI Tools 🔥
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It’s probably easier to say than to do but I find Abletons chance and midi generators too mathematical and not really musical. This is not a specific criticism of Ableton as I notice there are other plugins touting generative music creation and then you realise that it’s just an algorithm mathematically plonking stuff in the piano roll with no appreciation for genre or musicality. They could create a database of patterns and generate based off of that and then apply chance and other probability patterns and then I think it would be a far more useful tool as a jumping off point. Right now you use the tools and generate something that you end up having to tweak so much that you would have been better off making from scratch yourself
You know what, that’s a great point! It’s also what I meant by saying to skip generative tools unless you really struggle to come up with patterns. Both transform and gen tools are great but only if you have a solid foundation or an idea in mind. Guess that’s what all AI plugins try to do - generate actual ideas based on a database. Unfortunately I haven’t found any good ones or in a reasonable prices
Good points, but they are coming for sure…won’t be long until you can just do text to song generation and have a perfectly engineered jam in Ableton live 😂
We have Live but from your predictions we might have Ableton AI pretty soon 😂
The last sentence got me, I'm like "ok let me try Ableton's new midi tools" but then I'm like "fuck that, I'll write from scratch one by one" :D but they're fun though.
Your videos are always the very best. I'm eager to install the update. Please hope Ableton won't wait version 13 to bring more features that speed up the workflow and stimulates creativity. Cheers from Paris
Means a world 🙏 ngl I skipped a bit of things that can improve creativity with a deeper dive (for the purpose of making more videos 😂). No worries about new features tho - M4L developers are our saviors
Loving the videos ❤ you are my go to guy
Means a world man 🙏 thanks for watching
thanks to the algorithm for recommending your video, subscribed!
Means a world 🙏 thanks for watching
Dude these videos blow my mind , managed to get chord pallet working and it is awsome !
Glad to hear that brother 🙏 got another one on midi tools coming this week 😉
Love your videos, man🤩
Thanks a lot for watching 🙏
Can I ask you a Ableton Live 12 question ? Do you have a second monitor setup for live ? Because, on my secondary monitor 2, the shortcut "E" in midi clip view dont work. The primær monitor 1, there is no problem with the shortcut "E" . Just to ask if you have experience that issue ? Regard Lars N @@Zdrewe
@larsb.nielsen4481 I don’t have a secondary monitor but the problem might be that in Live 12 you no longer need to use a separate widows or workflows for working with midi clips or mixer. Everything can be now viewed in one window (by choosing the preview in the down right corner). E shortcut is now responsible for cutting midi notes
Thanks@@Zdrewe
Thanks for appreciating my time. Your Video is on point
My pleasure!
love this type of videos helps me decide if i want to by it or not
Great video! Live 12 download in progress 😍
Thanks, and have fun with it 😎
nice! on of the easiest explanation on how to use these efficiently
Based on the confusion due to endless possibilities I managed to discover while using them 😂 thanks!
new to ableton and ig tiktok figured that out, will be marathoning your videos 🔒
Glad to hear that brother! 🙏🙏
I love a lot of the midi stuff, but especially the probability options. I can have a the same midi chords, but randomize inversions at different plays. Definitely won't use all the new features, but I personally find them worth the hype (along with the new browser, mixer in arrangement, Meld and Roar, all of that)
Excellent-I've bought the Chord Pallete but can't figure out how to get it into Abelton on my iMac ?
Just drag the chord pallet folder where your other M4L devices are and click on chord pallet file. It should install automatically
OMG such a great video!
I feel like this workflow tricks will help me a lot! :)
Making stuff way to complicated for myself all the time...
and asking myself afterwards: Why does this shi* not work together
fun! Thanks!
You’re welcome 🙏
I thought the same thing - Ableton 12 has simply moved things out of Max for Live into version 12 and charged for it.
agree
Isn't that the fundamental identity of Ableton?
@@BrandonAdams1010 No, LOL. For fools perhaps.
I can hear the fl users now: “the out of key 808 is an aesthetic choice!!!!!”
Well, it is… but to the point where it starts to make my ears bleed 😂
Get your facts right before coming for fl gang
Latest update has snap to scale..now we have In tune 808,no more wrong chords progressions.🫳🏾🎤
@Neiltrama1 yeah so cool it inspired albeton to make some changes
@Neiltrama1 lol as an og fl/reason--> ableton user , we really have no room to shit on FL while ignoring all the things Ableton dev neglects
Just found your channel and really enjoying thus far!
I'm happy about a good amount of offerings in Live 12. There are definitely more features that are useless for me personally than features that I will use. The changes are welcome. Since I play keys proficiently and know music theory 90% of the midi changes are useless haha. I have to admit, I do think it's strange that musicians that don't understand music are the norm now. It's like if an architect didn't understand angles, or an author needed a sentence and paragraph generator to write a story. In one sense it can be a tool for learning, in most cases it's just a crutch. I've got mixed feelings about it, but I always encourage everyone to learn, so hopefully people do!
I really don't mean to be a dick, but it is something I do think about so I figured I'd share and hope to get other perspectives on.
Totally get your point. I find midi tools helpful for generating ideas while you stuck with inspiration. To be honest I got the beta a while ago and I used those MIDI tools heavily once - just for the purpose of making this video 😂
Can you define ur own scale or does it have to the ableton presets? Or any way to make the bassline midi generation only use the same notes as the chord being played?
If you ask about chord pallete it can be used in any scale you can imagine. There are other tools to create basslines like Seed for example (which I’m gonna show in the next vid)
Yo where can we grab that snare sample though
I picked up Chord pallette.. and even got the supporter version... but how do you load it into Live 12 MocOS? whats the file path to place the M4L device folder?
Had some issues with that at first but my fix was just to drag it to a folder with other M4L devices you have in your library and double click Chord Pallete Max 4 Live device
Drag the folder into Places, or user library
@@Zdrewe haha... thats funny, because I this is my first M4L device... I did what @Noldy__ suggested, and it shows up in places, but it says MIDI tools cannot be loaded as devices... I am telling you... I am a NOOB at Live.... Im hoping to get some step by step instructions from the developeer.... or if you have a previos video explaing this stuff.... I appreciate you taking your time to answer
Just might have to upgrade to 14
Dude we already have 21… wait it’s FL…
Where can I get the "chord pallet max for live piano roll tool" ???
Look up the video description 😉
I only upgraded because it run much smoother with less latency on m1 then It used too
3:55
it's two inversions for triads and three inversions for tetrads, and so on, different voicings built upon these inversions (which is what is happening with the M4L device I guess) don't characterize different types of inversions by themselves. It's a cool feature to have tho.
You clearly thought about it twice and know about inversions 😎. Yeah it’s a built in M4L feature. Thanks for watching btw 🙏
@@Zdrewedidn't mean to be annoying or picky, it's just me talking to the imaginary viewers that might be learning theory and got curious about what you meant there. I certainly would if it was me 10 years ago. Anyways, cheers!
@croay hahaha no worries bro, I don’t wanted it to sound like I’m laughing at you or something - I just pointed out that you’re definitely aware of the theory 🫡
been on FL for 13 years, ive never had an 808 out of key
Wow, chord palette is a game changer!
I truly is 😎 waiting for more devices like this
Does anyone know if it's possible to MIDI map or automate the parameters of the new Transformer devices?
Good question actually. Don’t think there’s an option for it… yet
Think I’ll follow along and subscribe :-)
Appreciate that a lot 🙏🙏
@@Zdrewe Messaged you over on insta :-)
Have they added a feature where you can playback from a specific spot in piano roll
It was in 11 already
@@Zdrewe how do you you do it
@chigbungus5257 just hover over the top of midi editing screen until you see the cursor turning into speaker icon and then click it
I was so excited about these because i have a free 12 license then they have intro none of them :/
0:13 do you have a link for this instrument?
Those are not instruments. It’s a M4L device from Live 11 and strumming midi tool from Live 12
@@Zdrewe just my bad english, I wanted a link for this live 11 tool, but I already found it
@EpilepsyGod no worries my friend! Enjoy the strum tool then 😉
My main issue is that 12 hardly had any new features meanwhile FL gave their users AI mastering, DistroKid distribution, new synths, a better splice alternative and stem separation in a simple .1 patch but Ableton somehow couldn’t get it together for their MAJOR upgrade?
If it wasn’t for the fact that FL still doesn’t have MPE, I’d have switched by now
I need to agree with you to some extent. I think that Image Line did their research well and made FL suitable for “new generation” of producers. By “new” I don’t exactly mean the use of AI. Live is kinda still holding its legacy of being performance based and helping to create with hardware,real recordings (with all the new tuning options) and sound design. Not that it’s not a DAW like any other but it still feels a little bit indie compared to FL. And that’s why I love it so much.
Umm, unless you know what feeling's you're after, and why, I'd suggest staying away from STARTING songs with Maj/Min 7th chords? Especially in major and harmonic minor keys. Why? Because the chord's 7th is only a half step from, and already wants to resolve to the root note of the key you're in. For example, the Am 7th note G# (7th in harmonic minor) strongly wants to resolve a half step to the root (A). For the most part, songs should be starting on roots, not resolving to them.
Of course, if you know what you are after, 7ths can be used to start a piece with a lot of creative potential... but the experienced know that.
They basically just made midi effects visual and combined into piano roll.
Not exactly yet I agree with you to some point. There’s so much more potential which wasn’t used at first. Luckily M4L devices will save us 😎
Actually it looks like a more sophisticated arpegiator.
all we wanted was bounce in place for groups and instead they gave us a bunch of half baked garbage to navigate around.
At least we have freeze&flatten option in one click for tracks tho
old news captain chords plugins does the same think
Yeah it does but…
1. It’s a plugin (not a M4L device utilizing the new midi tools in Live)
2. It’s paid
😉
Not bad, but FL will always be better 👀🤭
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