You don't actually have to spend a ton. I bought their "factory seconds" refurb of 11th gen intel. It's actually cheap for what you get. Granted, I was transfering ram and m.2 drive. But still. And i haven't bought any adaptors yet...
@@76mmGMCNot everybody needs to upgrade that frequently. I just ordered a 13 this week but only because my Haswell chip Dell that I bought used is still running Win 8.1 and I don’t want to bother with the workaround install for an unsupported cpu. It actually still worked fine, just wouldn’t install new software right and no more updates. 🤷♂️ The point you make about, essentially, putting your money where your mouth is, is why I ultimately bought one. My phone does what I need or I could borrow my wife’s laptop for the other .5% of the time. If I hadn’t migrated to iOS right before Samsung and Google announced 7 year security support, I’d probably have gotten a Lapdock and just run Dex. As a counterpoint, I’d bring up that since the stated purpose, on at least some level, of Framework is to reduce waste by allowing user repair and upgradability, you’ve kind of hit the nail on the head. I suspect that some of Framework’s biggest headwinds, apart from initial adoption, will be their self stated goal of working against planned obsolescence. Will there be new, fancy cases? Colors? The option for exotic materials? What if something comes along that’s industry disrupting but won’t integrate well with some core aspect of their upgradable design? 🤷♂️ Sorry, point and counterpoint discussions regarding the actual application of industry and design are exciting for me, you found my kink. Next chapter of the book is your turn. 🤣
@@76mmGMC That's very good! I don't need a laptop so a couple of old ThinkPads are overkill if anything but supporting a good company is still tempting.
Very excited for the SD reader to replace my underutilized DP port. It's nice to have a laptop I can adapt to my changing needs and not be forced to buy a new one.
It's really cool that you upload these as soon as you can. We get a sense of scale on how long it actually takes for a product like this to go from idea to product and it makes it much easier to see why some products take longer than others.
For me those are Framework, Prusa3D and Valve at the moment. (Un)fortunately my ageing ThinkPad e585 is still holding up great, original battery and all, so out of those 3 I have not yet 'thrown money' at Framework yet. Which I will once said machine needs replacement or perhaps as an upgrade to my desktop, with a Framework 16 based build. This only if I find a good purpose for my old PC, which I plan to place in a DIY racing rig once I have the budget for it. A friend at my studies has a Framework 13, initially I hated the keyboard but I don't mind it now, the hardware is really cool and well-built.
Thanks for the update. Always nice to hear from companies like framework. Just a little feedback for video: the music volume could be a little lower than it is in this video. It feels overpowering in many places over the dialogue. Keep doing awesome work framework!
This video is very well put together, love the visual aids for the different phases of the production process! So awesome to be able to get these insider insights into hardware development, thank you Hyelim and the rest of the Framework for putting out these videos!
I would freaking love that. I'm waiting for a second generation graphics card upgrade to the 16 as I can't afford a ~ $3000 gaming laptop which performs similar to a $1200-$1500 gaming laptop right now. I do so badly and want to own that framework 16 but I can't justify that much price considering the amount of time I actually can game in my adult life.
@@michaelpapadopoulos6054I'm sure that they will work with them in some capacity, since they already have expertise in making a modular phone, but since it's only available in Europe, that's only half the battle.
The only thing holding me back from purchasing this is the lack of a touch screen, bonus points if y'alls come out with a 2in1 option, I am saving up money everyday so that I can eventually buy it when I do get that announcement!
Its so beautiful to see people so innovative and honest follow their dreams and create something beautiful. Congratulations to everyone ag Framework and I know the upcoming years will be beautiful for you all. 😊 (Although im too broke to afford one any time soon 😅)
The presentation is amazing. The video is paced very well. The content is very informative and interesting. Now, can I have a 21 inch Framework laptop, please?
@@JoelRPutnam The phrase "dogfooding" is short for "eating your own dog food", which refers to the practice of someone using the products or services they develop/build. I'm not actually sure of the origin of the phrase, though.
@@Daniel15au The implication is a pet food manufacturer eating their products in testing. I don't know if there was ever such an instance or if it's essentially folklore. The term was commonplace in the software industry when I joined Microsoft in 1990 out of college.
@@smeegle it's only expensive and uncommon at the moment, once/if other's embrace it, it will make it cheaper and more common, simple supply and demand my dude
@@smeeglewhy not? This is Framework! You want to halt the humanity technology progression!? Besides, when Lpcamm 2 comes out, I'm sure it cost the same
You know what your next step should be sending laptop to Greece or finding a reseller here we cant get your laptop here so please do something about that
Aw, hell yeah! Been waiting a while for this! I'm getting a FW13 soon and had it in my cart with a microSD card, but that might just change! Keep it up, Framework! Much love!
Fantastic work! Just a piece of criticism about the video. Content great! I found out the "background" music was a bit too loud for my taste and had to focus a bit more than usual to listen Hyelim.
Yay, this was the only thing holding me back from really considering a purchase. I don't need a fast machine for my work, but I do need an SD card reader, Ethernet, and full size USB, and I hate dongles. I'm so excited to hear about this (don't think I didn't notice this module in the Intel Ultra announcement video tho 😛)
I wish I'd see a built-in sd/microsd card reader that would actually support the crazy speeds some micro-sd cards say they support, but only with their readers... and even then, not all. *cough* sandisk *cough*
I love you guys. I've purchased two F13s. However, on this video you dropped the ball. The music is too loud. For older folks, or folks hard of hearing, I assure you, your voice was hard to pick up.
I have second hand Framework Laptop 13 with Windows 11 Pro. I noticed that I can not use trackpad of right click well, I wish they can offer 90Wh batteries.
For that, you need an internal USB hub. And then loose one or more of USB 3/4 speeds, type C alt modes, or PD charging. There is no fitting all-in one chip available that would work. Especially with when expecting to charge the FW 16 with 180-240W.
please do a framework tablet with snapdragon x elite! I want an upgradable tablet with a snapdragon x elite with CAM compression fit memory based ram extra nvme slot for storage and wan (provisioning for a simcard or esim) and accept similar (or identical if possible) modules. for bonus points provide a dockable keyboard that contains extra battery life to charge the inbuilt battery from.
Yeah, and its connected over usb-c so they should be able to make sure its up to spec before production. Strange video, a SD-card reader feels like something a high schooler could design in a week.
It's UHS-II compatible. That alone is worth it. True UHS-II speeds over USB4 in the world's TIGHTEST mechanical package, without overheating. If you think that's "simple", you don't understand how hard manufacturing is. The design is easy enough, but to manufacture it reliably enough for mass production as a first party accessory takes WAY more time. This isn't a hobbyist hack. There are FCC and UL requirements that have to be satisfied here, too.
Very impressive. If I can one day justify getting a new laptop, this is the only brand I'll consider.
one of the silliest parts of Framework is that their customers believe in their mission so much that they won't buy the product immediately
You don't actually have to spend a ton. I bought their "factory seconds" refurb of 11th gen intel.
It's actually cheap for what you get. Granted, I was transfering ram and m.2 drive. But still. And i haven't bought any adaptors yet...
@@76mmGMCNot everybody needs to upgrade that frequently. I just ordered a 13 this week but only because my Haswell chip Dell that I bought used is still running Win 8.1 and I don’t want to bother with the workaround install for an unsupported cpu. It actually still worked fine, just wouldn’t install new software right and no more updates. 🤷♂️
The point you make about, essentially, putting your money where your mouth is, is why I ultimately bought one. My phone does what I need or I could borrow my wife’s laptop for the other .5% of the time. If I hadn’t migrated to iOS right before Samsung and Google announced 7 year security support, I’d probably have gotten a Lapdock and just run Dex.
As a counterpoint, I’d bring up that since the stated purpose, on at least some level, of Framework is to reduce waste by allowing user repair and upgradability, you’ve kind of hit the nail on the head. I suspect that some of Framework’s biggest headwinds, apart from initial adoption, will be their self stated goal of working against planned obsolescence. Will there be new, fancy cases? Colors? The option for exotic materials? What if something comes along that’s industry disrupting but won’t integrate well with some core aspect of their upgradable design? 🤷♂️
Sorry, point and counterpoint discussions regarding the actual application of industry and design are exciting for me, you found my kink. Next chapter of the book is your turn. 🤣
@@76mmGMC That's very good! I don't need a laptop so a couple of old ThinkPads are overkill if anything but supporting a good company is still tempting.
@@SquintyGears For sure, and the DIY is good in a big city where there are deals on generic components.
The amount of work is colossal, but I love that framework is very transparent!
Sadly the SD card reader isn't.
Yes
Very excited for the SD reader to replace my underutilized DP port. It's nice to have a laptop I can adapt to my changing needs and not be forced to buy a new one.
It's really cool that you upload these as soon as you can. We get a sense of scale on how long it actually takes for a product like this to go from idea to product and it makes it much easier to see why some products take longer than others.
You are the only company where i happily throw money at and dont feel bad at all!
Keep up your great work!
For me those are Framework, Prusa3D and Valve at the moment.
(Un)fortunately my ageing ThinkPad e585 is still holding up great, original battery and all, so out of those 3 I have not yet 'thrown money' at Framework yet.
Which I will once said machine needs replacement or perhaps as an upgrade to my desktop, with a Framework 16 based build.
This only if I find a good purpose for my old PC, which I plan to place in a DIY racing rig once I have the budget for it.
A friend at my studies has a Framework 13, initially I hated the keyboard but I don't mind it now, the hardware is really cool and well-built.
Always great to see how product we are using are though of
Videos like these are why I’ll buy a framework laptop.
Thanks for the update. Always nice to hear from companies like framework.
Just a little feedback for video: the music volume could be a little lower than it is in this video. It feels overpowering in many places over the dialogue.
Keep doing awesome work framework!
Yeah this is very valid criticism. Music just needs turning down a little.
Transparency, details and this kind of honesty is why I love framework. I don't need a new laptop yet, but my next one will for sure be Framework.
Transparent expansion cards would be awesome!! Great idea.
Really want to see an ARM framework with an OLED screen
This video is very well put together, love the visual aids for the different phases of the production process! So awesome to be able to get these insider insights into hardware development, thank you Hyelim and the rest of the Framework for putting out these videos!
Super Cool. Battery Framework 16 expansion bay module next?
Us DIYers in the forum have some LiPo + 18650 combo ideas going!
I would freaking love that. I'm waiting for a second generation graphics card upgrade to the 16 as I can't afford a ~ $3000 gaming laptop which performs similar to a $1200-$1500 gaming laptop right now. I do so badly and want to own that framework 16 but I can't justify that much price considering the amount of time I actually can game in my adult life.
Can't wait until we're at the "Ecosystem" stage for a Framework Phone!
The SD expansion card is awesome, you all are amazing!
Better yet they should combine their design teams with fairphone and make a framework fairphone or something. I'm sure it would be great!
@@michaelpapadopoulos6054I'm sure that they will work with them in some capacity, since they already have expertise in making a modular phone, but since it's only available in Europe, that's only half the battle.
Videos like these are so great and not only educate the user, but show how there are more steps to a product than people think!
cant wait to see those next gen f16 mobos with camm2 and next gen processors...
Hold up. How do you know they'll use camm2?
What’s camm
Add to the list of what I love about Framework: the respect shown to us customers with such updates, and I must admit, Hyelim, herself.
😭🫶
Lovely news. Definitely took quite a bit of testing.
Don't own a framework but root for the idea
Love the framework laptop
Music is too loud vs the person's audio
The only thing holding me back from purchasing this is the lack of a touch screen, bonus points if y'alls come out with a 2in1 option, I am saving up money everyday so that I can eventually buy it when I do get that announcement!
^^^ THIS ^^^
Awesome 👍
Its so beautiful to see people so innovative and honest follow their dreams and create something beautiful. Congratulations to everyone ag Framework and I know the upcoming years will be beautiful for you all. 😊 (Although im too broke to afford one any time soon 😅)
The presentation is amazing. The video is paced very well. The content is very informative and interesting. Now, can I have a 21 inch Framework laptop, please?
Nice!
Just a small note: dogfooding is alpha testing, not beta testing. :)
Where does the name come from?
@@JoelRPutnam The phrase "dogfooding" is short for "eating your own dog food", which refers to the practice of someone using the products or services they develop/build. I'm not actually sure of the origin of the phrase, though.
@@Daniel15au The implication is a pet food manufacturer eating their products in testing. I don't know if there was ever such an instance or if it's essentially folklore.
The term was commonplace in the software industry when I joined Microsoft in 1990 out of college.
You should prioritize shipping to other countries, also CAMM2 on next gen laptops maybe?
Is the tradeoff of using expensive uncommon modules worth the ram speed increase?
Please come to panama!
@@smeegle it's only expensive and uncommon at the moment, once/if other's embrace it, it will make it cheaper and more common, simple supply and demand my dude
@@smeeglewhy not? This is Framework! You want to halt the humanity technology progression!? Besides, when Lpcamm 2 comes out, I'm sure it cost the same
Ну, просто попроси друзей в США купить и переслать?
You know what your next step should be sending laptop to Greece or finding a reseller here we cant get your laptop here so please do something about that
I love framework
Aw, hell yeah! Been waiting a while for this! I'm getting a FW13 soon and had it in my cart with a microSD card, but that might just change! Keep it up, Framework! Much love!
There's a strange change in white balance around 3:27 🤔
AWB doing AWB things.
Doing engineering in uni right now, interesting to see how much is in the Testing and Verification stages of the Engineering Design process !!
Fantastic work! Just a piece of criticism about the video. Content great! I found out the "background" music was a bit too loud for my taste and had to focus a bit more than usual to listen Hyelim.
Please consider offering a large haptic touchpad module.
Glass track pad too
@@AeRiaL_ the one it comes with is already a glass trackpad.
@@Daniel15au you're right, I was thinking of a Sensel trackpad at the same time. I forgot it was glass already.
Thinkpad style?
Yay, this was the only thing holding me back from really considering a purchase. I don't need a fast machine for my work, but I do need an SD card reader, Ethernet, and full size USB, and I hate dongles. I'm so excited to hear about this (don't think I didn't notice this module in the Intel Ultra announcement video tho 😛)
Same here. I really am not interested in a laptop that doesn't have conectivity I will use regularly
5mW at idle is wonderful.
THIS is how you run a manufacturer RUclips video.
Love to hear that.
I wish I'd see a built-in sd/microsd card reader that would actually support the crazy speeds some micro-sd cards say they support, but only with their readers... and even then, not all. *cough* sandisk *cough*
saw one today at computex!!
❤
The laptop for people that love pcs. ❤ and hate steve jobs. 😂
I love you guys. I've purchased two F13s. However, on this video you dropped the ball. The music is too loud. For older folks, or folks hard of hearing, I assure you, your voice was hard to pick up.
I have second hand Framework Laptop 13 with Windows 11 Pro. I noticed that I can not use trackpad of right click well, I wish they can offer 90Wh batteries.
Waiting for a 16-inch or even 18-inch Tandem OLED Framework laptop.
Have y'all considering open sourcing the firmware of pieces not gated by third party licensing?
LFG!!!
lol, I have a BS in Physics from the Engineering division of my university... I wonder what that makes me... @ 4:30
a trooper 🫡
Can we stop using plastic? Highly appreciated
4G/5G Expansion Card can be possible in the Future?
YALL WOULDNT HAVE A SNAPDRAGON COLLAB IN THE WORKS BY ANY CHANCE 😁😁
I'm still waiting for the 16 to be able to ship to Singapore.
Super interesting, but the background music is too loud.
not available in my country
Sooooo UHS-II SD card reader right?
I got an email that the product was released and I was wondering what happened to the video series. What that just a mistake?
Why video color changing?
just one last thing you guys need .... just bring nvidia rtx 30 series gpu in framework and booommmmm!!!!!
I would suggest making the expansion slot bigger and selling adapters for the small to big slots.
i would have loved to see the full sd expansion with my fw16 batch 20 😢
Is there room within a single expansion card to have both a USB-C port and a micro sdcard reader?
For that, you need an internal USB hub. And then loose one or more of USB 3/4 speeds, type C alt modes, or PD charging. There is no fitting all-in one chip available that would work. Especially with when expecting to charge the FW 16 with 180-240W.
Please make a framework 13 with strix point APUs
WE want 2 type c module
Don’t forget about Australians
2:40 already better then asus 💀
Not first!
no but really thank you for making a really cool product!
Nice
please do a framework tablet with snapdragon x elite! I want an upgradable tablet with a snapdragon x elite with CAM compression fit memory based ram extra nvme slot for storage and wan (provisioning for a simcard or esim) and accept similar (or identical if possible) modules. for bonus points provide a dockable keyboard that contains extra battery life to charge the inbuilt battery from.
WWWWS IN THE CHATTTT
Engineers ❤ Physicists
fr tho ❤
stop manufacturing framework 13 .... only manufacture framework 16
Not everyone needs or wants a big laptop, you know
Why do I have a feeling there's voice over...
i'm sorry but this is kinda lame. was rly hoping for some shots of the prototypes.
Permission to refer to her as Mrs. framework?
Third comment on this video.
This series is very interesting and i'am grateful you shared it. However you moving your head this much it's disturbing.
i think that might just be you lol
Struggling on an SD card implementation doesn't bode well for the rest of your overpriced laptop.
Yeah, and its connected over usb-c so they should be able to make sure its up to spec before production.
Strange video, a SD-card reader feels like something a high schooler could design in a week.
@@karlkarlsson9699
Though it's also in a very limited space. Only the ethernet module extends outside the laptop
i guess this really is just a SD card reader after all. Womp womp womp.
It's UHS-II compatible. That alone is worth it.
True UHS-II speeds over USB4 in the world's TIGHTEST mechanical package, without overheating. If you think that's "simple", you don't understand how hard manufacturing is. The design is easy enough, but to manufacture it reliably enough for mass production as a first party accessory takes WAY more time. This isn't a hobbyist hack. There are FCC and UL requirements that have to be satisfied here, too.
@@spdcrzy sorry but 300MB/s is nothing impressive.
We need a Oculink port pleaseeee 🦾
Borderline corporate talk, keep it more technical.
But don't forget to define your terms! Not everyone knows what "tooling" means