How SHE-HULK Broke the MCU
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WHERE IS ARE WHAT IF HYDRA WON PART 2!!!!!
@ScreenCrush How does a person being a male or female give them the abiity to ignore annoying people or not?
Why no breakdown of Doctor Who "The Giggle?"
IMO, The show was more insulting by having to *REDUCE THE MAN* in order to *UPLIFT THE WOMAN*
And recent Death threat from toxic fans and terrorist groups and the writer of the show got in trouble with the FBI.
I had a thought back when this finale first aired: since the world that She-Hulk breaks into is not in fact our actual world, because our actual world doesn't actually have a robot named KEVIN writing the MCU but instead the actual Marvel Studios team including Kevin Feige who is presumably not a robot disguised as a human, then Jen doesn't just live inside of a show, she lives in a show *within a show*, and possibly the world in which her show exists, the world that has a robot writing Marvel movies, *is the MCU of our universe*. So to us, everything in the MCU is fiction; and to people in that fiction, the show She-Hulk is itself fiction, but fiction that somehow broke containment and became real in a way that can't actually happen in our world, but did fictionally happen in the MCU.
I kept scrolling to make sure someone made this point. Thank you for writing it all out lol
Bingo. I didn’t feel it broke the MCU at all.
That Feige looks like a Robot to me.
It was still dumb and made Gwenpool antics look normal.
To piggyback off of this, I think the most interesting way to have Jen show up somewhere else is *as a TV show*, maybe even a show in Daredevil's world where he's still in the red suit. Not have her break out of that show... yet... but establish that She-Hulk is fictional and does not exist, so if and when they do use her it's weird for everyone involved.
@@SanguineRoku Maybe in the real MCU, Bruce doesn't have a cousin, and is aware of and consents to this show about a fictional cousin of his in lieu of a show about him that people wanted to make... and then his fictional cousin breaks the fourth wall somehow and becomes real. Maybe real Bruce hasn't gone back to Sakar and retrieved a son... yet, but the fact that the show threw that twist in makes him wonder what he qua Hulk got up to during those three lost years, and then he really does go and it turns out he does have a son...
Around 6:40 you say that if they would have given more time effort and money it would have better. It was 25 million an episode?!?! How much more do you need especially when Godzilla minus one only needed 15 million for a whole movie.
Disney somehow finds a way to just bleed money on recent projects.
Movies do not look 100x better but they for some reason cost 100× more than they used to
Dosnt help how over paid actors are and how overbloated with money the entertainment business already is....
The lawyer came on to tell us it's a smart law show because it asks irrelevant questions....
Yah - that's when I stopped watching this
Exactly. He proved why it’s not a good lawyer show.
I was so confused
literally came here to either look for answers about why im too dumb to understand and found out from this comment that its just that this video was too dumb to explain it lol either way im confused as well lol
I stopped watching after 7 Minutes, because he was talking so much bs. He really said this was a love project and it just needed more money hahahah. The budget was like 25 mio per episode
I'm pretty sure KEVIN correcting the "glitch" was just so that when She-Hulk joins the Avengers in The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, she won't be able to just re-write all the conflict out of the story of the films.
I think it breaks the mcu if she had jumped out during a team up movie but isolated in her own series is acceptable. Im not watching guardians of the galaxy worrying about she hulk jump in and rewriting the ending randomly
DON’T GIVE THE WRITERS IDEAS!!!
Exactly, She-Hulk is a self-contained series, the idea that the show breaks the universe is little absurd.
@@clee027 yeah😂
@@thehacker4012im with you… but on the other side we as fans love when movies / series are connected
@@famousgoldentouchyou mean you as fans. I just want entertaining films
I have a fan theory that I want to throw out there that I've been thinking about for a minute... Breaking the fourth wall is a superpower. Wade Wilson wasn't able to do that until he became Deadpool, You notice when Deadpool breaks the fourth wall nobody pays attention to him or they think he's crazy and ignores it... And I think that the Hulk has always been able to break the fourth wall but he doesn't because he tries to suppress symptoms of the Hulk.
If you notice when Bruce was teaching Jen how to be a Hulk when she broke the fourth wall she was surprised he turned to her like oh you can do THAT thing too... If you notice at the end of the Hulk movie in 2008 Edward Norton broke the fourth wall at the end of the movie.
Just throwing that out there
thanks for this worthless theory
lmfaooooo@@usware5240
I'm fried sir and this absolutely makes sense ☝😌
I actually like this and this is canon for me now. All 4th wall breaks are by hyperdimensional beings who can perceive the audience kinda like us mortals can daydream hypothetical conversations.
@@BuckyBarnesATL
It is a worthless theory though. At this point several fans have proposed way better ideas for the MCU which the actual executives do not care to follow because they have their own set plan. And for all that it’s worth, their set plan has been showing some huge cracks.
If in universe Jen’s direct address to the audience is just her line of thought like other shows, the finale rewrite could be her anxieties about what will happen - bad Blonsky, powered Todd, Bruce saves the day - but by confronting the truth and taking responsibility for her own story she finds Blonsky’s misunderstood, Todd’s plan failed, and DD shows up but ultimately for moral support. This would be pretty similar to how the idea of musical numbers is explored on Crazy Ex Girlfriend as both a fun way to engage the audience and a narrative device to reveal character’s inner thoughts and feelings.
Also, if Luke Skywalker spent two movies talking to the camera, I wouldn't be bothered if he pulled a Jen in Empire Strikes Back.
It'd be funny.
The idea that a show with 700,000 viewers ruined a franchise that regularly sells 40,000,000 tickets per movie is missing the forest for the trees in most of these debates. People tend to think the thing they don't like ruined it all while ignoring most people aren't even aware of the thing they didn't like.
When the movies do poorly it's because of the movies. When the shows do poorly it's because of the shows and the movies.
First: K.E.V.I.N. told Jen she wouldn’t be able to access his algorithm again. So, this was a one time deal for this particular story.
Second: Comic books get retconned and changed all the time. It could be a new writer taking over or a multiversal event that changes the timeline to fit the story. Happens all the time.
Expecting the MCU (based on comic books) to remain pristine and unchanged is a bit of a reach. Especially when the MCU has changed storylines and characters from the source material to fit the story they were trying to tell. Jen got a redo because she got over on the overarching AI that tells all of these connected stories. She won’t do it again because she can’t. She can still break the 4th wall but she can’t access K.E.V.I.N.
So, when Deadpool calls Cable Thanos, breaking the suspension of disbelief that Josh Brolin is just an actor playing two differnt parts just as disruptive to the whole shared universe as She Hulks ending?
Deadpool is a parody.. she hulk is taking seriously.. there’s a difference
@@Sams_I_Am She Hulk is a comedy
@@wallynelson6983 ok.. but what’s your point?
@Sams_I_Am My point is that She Hulk didn't break the Marvel universe any more or less than Deadpool has by commenting on how these are just movies, or rewriting the endings of their movies or show. Deadpool using a time travel device and 4th wall knowledge, she Hulk breaking the 4th wall and talking to K.E.V.I.N.
@@wallynelson6983 I think you’re missing the point.. for starters Deadpool is not apart of a larger narrative.. he can break the fourth wall in his movies because they are not taking seriously.. however, the mcu is supposed to be taking seriously as a reality to the characters.. if she’s breaking the fourth wall by visit the writers of the show or k.e.v.i.n what would stop her from doing that in an avengers movie? U don’t think ppl in the audience won’t point that out.. can u imagine if you’re watching James Bond and all of a sudden he starts breaking the fourth wall.. it will take u out of the movie, especially if it’s not the tone or already established in the movie
Zach Morris’s time out is not a soliloquy, it’s an actual superpower. He is seen using his time stop abilities to affect things in the real world, move objects around, and otherwise adjust circumstances to go his way.
The reason hulk can kind of hear her is one of hulks comic powers of being able to see otherworldy things like ghosts and stuff
I liked She-Hulk. I remember the John Byrne run where he introduced the 4th wall break. That's what the last episode did.
The last episode was likely based on the ending of Grant Morrison's Animal Man, where (spoiler alert!) Animal Man meets and confronts Grant Morrison about everything they made him go through and convinces them to rewrite/undo the death of his family.
The biggest issue I have with the point you're making is that it's based on the idea that Jen rewrote the ending when she didn't, K.E.V.I.N. did. Granted he rewrote it based on her suggestions but it still wasn't her doing it
Not true , k.e.v.e.n literally would let the different ending happen if she didn't said to
@@begumhasina1052 But it was still him doing it. He asked her how she thought it should end and he implemented her suggestions but it was still HIM making the changes not her
@@ujamaa4 she interepted the story that Kevin made . It's like saying just because you made a powerful being to do someting you didn't had a part on at
@@begumhasina1052 That's just it, she didn't MAKE him do anything, K.E.V.I.N. chose to take her suggestions. He could have easily said no(in fact he did to some of her suggestions), he just didn't, that's not her doing, it's his. That's like somebody saying "You should rob a bank", then you do it and try to blame the person who suggested it when you get caught
@@ujamaa4 that's not telling rob the bank if you stop ending differently what would she do if Kevin said no
The episode at the ranch was the best one tbh, there was many reasons the show didnt work but mainly it was just unfocused. It couldve been a lawyer show but it wasnt, it couldve been an action show but the show and Jen herself seemed insulted by the idea that she might actually fight crime. There was a mystery but the end result of that mystery was "this mystery is stupid, change the ending" so all that was left was for the show to be funny and it wasnt really.
I agree. It reminded me of Harvey Birdman or the Venture Bros.
@@TheCloveartBoth brilliant and underrated shows. I wish the MCU could actually pull off something so sharp, but as OP said, focus is just not a thing.
@@thestarseeker8196 Right I think the execs just aren’t bold enough to do something like that. Plus it obvious that they are aware of the fans’ dissatisfaction, but they are clueless to find a balance of new ideas and good writing.
@@thestarseeker8196 Im not one of those people who rants about the MCU being doomed, MCU could pull it off but it needs to pay its writers better.
She hulk writers were being paid less than minimum wage so they were crapping eps out. We got what disney was willing to pay for.
With Venture Brothers wrapped up Doc Hammer is free to write the Fantastic four movie i always dreamt of. They probably wont do it, but a boy can dream.
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY Underpaid writers is still the execs’ decision and signing off on a bad script also falls at their feet.
I don’t think they are doomed either, but their mindset and direction for content will continue to hold them back.
It was a great show as a comedy but I think the male audience wanted it to be less about characters they felt like mocked them
(Even tho if you’re a shitty person you deserved To be mocked) and something closer to the mob that shot Jen in the comics as that would’ve led to a story they wouldn’t feel butt hurt about
ima keep it real, me and my little sis enjoyed this show for what it was, i certainly wasnt expecting a crazy story with big consequences, it was a comedy, thats set in the marvel universe. however, comedy is subjective so i cant blame anyone if they werent feelin it. she did great with the character though, like straight out of the comics
It's all OK. The Omniverse that we see at the end of Loki Season 1 shows that the multiverse being held together by Loki is not everything, it is just where most of our MCU characters live. Talking to camera isn't a quirk of the storytelling, it is a power the character has to interact beyond their own multiverse. It doesn't break anything, it's just new layers. The fact that the writers create new life by deciding on it, doesn't mean it is not life. Also doesn't mean that the writers have all the power, as She-Hulk and others can break out and change things, so could sever the link.
Now I NEED to know more about Ryan meeting Meg
Pretty sure he used to work for complex or other company like them pre-covid
Didn't the KEVIN robot say that this was the last time that you can do this and we're changing everything so that you can't do this again, though? I mean, she's not God, it just happened the one time and could only happen the one time.
Exactly. Everyone losing their shit over this clearly missed that obvious fact, despite over-analyzing every aspect of the show! SMH
Honestly a little bit of overthinking if this realistically did any harm, you did point out its comic book accurate.
It did harm to the MCU, not itself. That's his point.
@@manniking233 first y’all need it to be comic book accurate, now the most comic book accurate show is a problem. At this point if Feige sneezes the wrong way it’s going mess up the MCU.
Stop hating on my girl. I've liked the actress, she deserves a second chance. And the breaking of the fourth wall was also great.
Actress is fine. It's nearly everything else, especially the writing....
Having Jennifer remove the blood plot so that Todd doesn't turn into a Hulk also removes the charges for arresting Todd. She wanted to take him down in court, but what case would she have if she retconned what he's done?
In a legal show, Jenn should've used her legal skills to take down the bad guys. We rarely see her do this and it's especially frustrating that the finale is just a big goof rather than actual payoff.
@@ThePlayTyperGuy Yeah, I would like to see her take Todd down in court, just to see what the charges are in the new timeline. Owning a right-wing website isn't illegal, and neither is complaining on the internet, as we're always doing that. Stealing Jennifer's blood was the crime needed to put Todd away, and the things that happened like sending Josh to seduce her were all done to get her blood. If Todd didn't want her blood in the new timeline, what did he send Josh and the Wrecking Crew for? Or did he never send them at all and he's completely innocent of all charges? Or did he only send them for no reason but to humiliate Jennifer? I think the TVA should put Jennifer on trial for changing the timeline.
the ranch episode was the funniest episode. if the whole show had been that level of funny itd have been a 10/10 in my book.
Was busy watching Andor and Werewolf by Night at the time
Mallory doesn't ask that question to embarrass Jen, she asks the question because it serves the story. It allows us to see how embarrassed Jen is, but also it highlights the conflict between being She-Hulk and Just Jen. Literarly the entire premise of the show is her coming to terms with being both She-Hulk and Jen.
Exactly!!!
I don't know, I feel like it wasn't the thing that broke it but showed the seams that were separating. Plus, this is also kind of why Jen and Wade tend to be the ones who alert the rest to the whole Battleworld situation because they can see through the 4th wall and can affect it. Plus, there is no robot controlling things, that still was all imaginary.
they could've just informed us in a post credit scene that the logs from hulks ship said he is somewhere deals with personal matters. and we could have guessed it's scar.
"I just have some business to take cate of off-world. I should be back son. SOON!"
I think this show's finale was kinda bad but I don't think it needs to be explained so bad like that, I see it as "just a funny bit", the problem with everything being connected is the people who watch those shows only thinking about the connection.
I personally don't give a damn if the events of this show impacts something going forward, She Hulk was fun, light-hearted, Tatiana Maslany is GREAT and they will find a way to correct this down the line.
We just need to relax a bit or A LOT in some cases
It seems nobody is able to relax with this show. It felt odd that people were butthurt when in the training flashback with Bruce, Jen as She-Hulk acted like an ape and shouted “man! Man!”
Keeping aside the interconnectivity if the universe aside. If this is a standalone show, even then the finale is utter garbage because none of the story lines that were brought up throughout the show were resolved organically. She did a pause and re-write and voila we are at the end of the show where it worked out in the best possible way for her 😂
@@keerthichandra376 thank you for stating the facts!!!
The CGI She-Hulk was not a good idea and after seeing those recent photos of the actress Hillary Duff and she is very toned and strong, they could drop this CGI She-Hulk and put Hillary Duff in green makeup to be the She Hulk and Tatiana Maslany continued as Jennifer Walters and gave an explanation that broke the fourth wall.
I mean, I don’t know I think that having a woman that’s buff in green paint would kind of take you out of it even though the CGI was horrible making she hulk the size she was, and with Tatiana’s face made a lot more sense
What series is worse. She Hulk or Secret Invasion?😂😂
She hulk was terrible.
I gave up after 2 episodes of secret wars...
She hulk forsure
I dunno if Secret Invasion was trying to push a sterotype narrative so hard....
It wasnt good but the series didnt actively seem to want to insult people that may be watching with just some of the most badly written perspective.
The whole She-Hulk series tried WAY too hard to make it's audience try and relate to the ultra pretty successful lawyer with superpowers we were supposed to weep for because she is a woman and had it SO HARD.
Like imagine if the whole secret invasion show constantly included the breif conversation between Fury and "Rhodey" about "people like us have had rough times" but put that in EVERY EPISODE.
I can agree people suffer due to prejudices, racism, and sexism but ypu don't need to beat me over the head with it every episode.
No one who is already racist or sexist are dedicated to watching these shows anyways, so why do the people watching it need to be lectured about it every episode? Especially in Jens life as pretty successful lawyer, I'm supposed to weep for HER?
That’s a tough choice. That’s like asking which is worse: spoiled milk or moldy beef?
When you have to praise the show for 7 minutes before you're allowed to criticize it.
That “Eat S***” single-handedly just made me go to your merch store lol
As someone who didn't skip the recap section while fully aware of what happened in the finale, I see this as an absolute win.
The ending was a cop out. In my head, I would have expected a big fight between Jen and Todd, but instead we cut to a courtroom where Jen is annihilating Todd using the law, maybe using smart use of copyright law on hulk blood or something like that. She-hulk was always more brains than brawn so why not use that for the ending? Also, I would like to think that that is not actually Skarr that Prof. Hulk found, but is actually Hulkling, so we can get a jump on that young Avengers romance with Wiccan.
Now I want a full episode on how you *really* feel about Skar, Ryan!
I think two potentially interesting things that could come from that ending are 1) introducing the idea of the unreliable narrorator. 2) the fourth wall breaks are actually alternate dimensions that Jen is looking into. This would tie things back to the multiverse shananigans.
I like most of She-hulk and love the fences they swung for, although I kinda hate that they used the Daredevil cameos as clickbait/fan service. The characters and actors deserve better.
Such a great show from start to finish. If it breaks/broke the MCU, it was already broken or people are just petty and need to get outside.
If you thought this was a great show, you’re the person who needs to get out more and experience some good things in life 🤦🏻♂️🤣
5:35 after watching this lawyer breakdown segment, you’re never allowed to say “don’t overthink it” on this channel ever again. 😅
This was one of my favorite Disney shows, the lead was spot on for she-hulk. It def had some flaws, but very fun and self aware.
You sat back and over thought the ending…. Probably read too many comments, and needed more content.
I agree, I really think people missed the point of the show. The anger over her saying that women control their anger all the time, BEFORE she found out that she couldn’t control her rage over getting revenge-porned, for instance. It’s a whole story and not just one episode or scene. Taken as a whole it was great.
Dude she did not re-write the MCU, she re-wrote the ending of her own show, no more no less.
Yeah I sympathize with your point; I too would like an in universe close instead of an out of universe fixer upper. Even one where she is going through the motions, with negative comments about the writing choices.
The Skaar scene should have been when Hulk meets Skaar on Sakaar! Since She-Hulk remove Hulk from that finale so he should be in Sakaar and we could see how Skaar fights in the arena!
For any movie shes in, there should be 2 releases (why not its disney), a normal one and one with her as the pov she looks to the camera whenever theres something wack with the new avengers
I watched every episode with the same expression: what is happening? I liked Marvel because of the way they grounded the comic characters. She-Hulk was crazy.
argh jeez. so how is deadpool gona fit in? its like the musical scene in the marvels. i liked she hulk, wasnt great but wasnt bad. we finally had a top notch female character for a change that didnt need LOADS of screentime to establish. i think this is all down to people getting upset that the canon doesnt match their dreams, which of course, canons get messier the longer they continue. if you dont let show risk breaking the mould/upsetting your imagined universe, you'll never get anything that goes beyond the 'formula'. and then the whole mcu would defo fail. at the moment all this mcu failure talk is conjexture because its got messy after so many productions. this unforutnately is natural
It was She-Hulk! And the show was exactly what I expected and I loved it.
Will folks react the same way with Deadpool 3? I doubt it.
@@frankmccormick5499 exactly!
@@frankmccormick5499Deadpool won't be trash hopefully
@@ctimehaynes it's the same team as the first two Deadpool movies PLUS Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. What did you think of those?
I think it's pretty "generous" to assume that Jen's lawyer making her look bad was a savvy move by the writers, using legal knowledge or insight. When I saw it, I felt it was simply lazy writing, putting the words they needed (to put over a storyline) into the wrong mouth. I still think that.
Ryan, you are the most positive "nerd" i know. Keep the spirit in creating your content. You speak from the perspective of a true fan. Never let them change you for the sake of views and like. Stay a fan.
This landed at the perfect time as I literally just finished a rewatch of the series this afternoon!
I used to think (and still do) that I overthink things, until I watched this video 😂 it’s so unserious of an observation that SheHulk “knows” God and can change her own show as if it wasn’t literally written the way it turned out. A fictional character didn’t spawn herself into reality, this is just a plot point and literal 4th wall breaking that likely won’t affect anything else
My head canon has always been that it was all just a trick played on Jenn by Kang and/or the TVA. In order to keep themselves hidden from her ability to break the fourth wall, they created an artificial construct of a screenwriter's reality so Jenn wouldn't be able to find them. In changing the events of the finale, K.E.V.I.N. basically just pruned the old ending in favor of a new one, and even though Jenn wanted to ditch the Hulk storyline, he still showed up at the end in accordance with what K.E.V.I.N. wanted. None of it was real. It was merely an illusion to satisfy what Jenn believes to be true and to keep her from digging deeper. Besides, K.E.V.I.N. totally looks like something O.B. would build, and the videos on the screens are just like the time projection technology we saw in the first episode of Loki. Doug gets it. Granted, it is a lazy ending that makes much of the show feel like wasted time.
Wow, I didn't kno Screen Crush filmed that XXL Cypher.
Small world.
“Massively talented writer room” you give them way too much credit🤣
She Hulk was an excellent "slice of life" Marvel show. I enjoyed it, even though they didn't stick the landing.
Have you seen my dress up darling anime it’s of slice of life Compared this to she hulk.
I'm sorry no... just no
I agree with you, sadly ppl on the Internet can't handle someone having a different opinion. This is good street level marvel and I'd like more.
@@Super_Broly. Issues with Hulk: Blood plot, Skarr and Daredevil Intro and the finale. Worshipping She Hulk because you hate the people who criticize it doesn't change these problems. Criticism is not always about hate. Sometimes, it is about allowing the stuff you love to be fixed, so the real dark people who hate for the wrong reasons can be exposed easily.
Same. I really enjoyed everything but the finale.
I enjoyed She Hulk because I love the comics and its the most comics accurate project they've ever done but it broke the MCU fanbase by creating deep divisions that may never be mended.
Chill
@@jessem3552 we know you're liking comments about the m-she-u
@@jessem3552chill on what?
Not only was She-Hulk the only Marvel show that looked watchable/I watched, but I actually liked it. I mean c'mon, a Hulk who's also a lawyer, that's funny.
IMO the biggest mistake was not framing it as a full comedy, because everything felt like part of the MCU, the visuals, the colors, angles, etc.
When you look at it you can say "hey, that looks like the MCU, therefore, i should spect another MCU-style production", when it was really not the case.
I'm ok with the series, the ending was awkward, idc about Skarr (but it does look awful lmao), Tatiana was amazing in her role, Bruce was awkwardly there.
If it had a different tone (think of wandavison, where first 2 eps were "funny" but we clearly knew something was very wrong) i guess the reception would've been different/better.
The ending was at least better than the Secret Invasion ending .
I think we have seen alot of farfetched things in the MCU to be okay with she hulks ending. I'm happy that they really made a show that follows the source material closer. Now was that the best idea in the long run? Who knows but i liked a low stakes introduction to a great character. Now I will agree thst this wasn't the most transformative pice of television ever but it was a really good introduction to early she hulk comics andi think the acting was fun. I wouldn't take legally blond as a great representation of the law, why focus on what it wasn't supposed to be?
I don't often disagree with Ryan when he's trying to point out the positives in a show/movie, but with this one I gotta wonder what the hell he was smoking when writing this script. The only thing I can agree with is that Tatiana Maslani killed the role, even if I strongly dislike some of the character beats and writing of the character herself.
Why?
@@johnwerner69 Why what?
She-Hulk takes place in a timeline/universe that we haven't had revealed yet (as does Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night). It obviously has different rules than the 616 or 19999. Apparently it's a universe where everything takes place in movies and tv.
This is obvious, isn't it?
I think she hulk is only able to do this kevin-powered changes, in her own episodes.
I dont think she can rewrite the MCU stories or change outcomes of other previous projects etc.
Rough? No sir, you're being way more kind to this entire series than it deserves.
@9:07 I feel like this is one of, if not the best, ways I've ever heard any type of fandom described, ever.
I love ScreenCrush . Ryan, you're hilarious! And the writers are great too!
She-Hulk is supposed to not be taken literally, like the Harley Quinn comics where she kills and do all kind of messy things, including going out with Bruce Wayne and kissing Batman. Then she appears in other "serious" comics and she keeps being comic relief, but she's tunned all the way down. The ending of She-Hulk should be compared with the ending of Grant Morrison's Animal Man, where pretty much the same thing happens, but nobody says it broke the DC universe.
She hulk hurt my brain
Engage in Hyperbole much?
Like Mr Goldblum said in Jurassic Park. They were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should. The ending was a step too far. The rest of it was fine.
Oh … and DD should not have a yellow head. They changed it for a reason 😒
Patty Guggenheim's "Madisynn" remains my favorite character/bit in the MCU since END GAME.
I love the show... loved the finale !! 💚👍😀
First of all thank you for doing this piece on She-Hulk. I think the show was underrated and as a fan of the show it’s nice to see it getting another look.
Second - I agree with the majority of your review of the show. Very well articulated and fair.
Third - I only disagree that She-Hulk breaking the fourth wall also breaks the MCU. As you point out, they do it in an even more extreme way in the comics… and it’s fine. They simply ignore the fourth wall breaking outside of She-Hulk’s own book. They can do that in the MCU too.
We have to assume that everything that got wrapped up at the very end also had an appropriate “in story” explanation that we just didn’t see. Call the fourth wall stuff a dream or inner monologue, that’s the story we followed at the end.
i been watching doug speak for so long i feel his voice would really sound like that
I really enjoyed She Hulk because I watch superhero stuff for fun. It was fun. If you’re the kind of person that stresses yourself out over this kind of stuff you’ll end up making yourself sick. Just enjoy it for what it is, silly goofy fun
Take that back! Zack Morris is super powered and you know it.
Shit ton of random videos that don’t matter lately
You clicking and commenting on it tells them otherwise.
You’re right silence is much better than feedback..who r u again?🤪
@@tjm6794 “who are you again” is not the burn you think it is when you too are in fact a nobody.
@@HistorySkate I didn’t call u a nobody I asked who u were loll if the answer is nobody then what a shame🤷🏻♂️ at least you’re cool with that. Don’t comment back I’d rather not get into it with an NPC
@@tjm6794 guess who’s back
Having Stan Lee show up in every single movie as different characters didnt "ruin" the MCU and neither did She-Hulk.
My view towards the MCU has never been the same since the K.E.V.I.N. reveal. It’s almost like nothing feels “real” anymore within the universe.
Phase 4: the fade-out of the M-She U.
The show should have been an hour long to flesh out the material more. And more emphasis on the court cases. Unfortunately, the mcu has hit the funny bone one too many times as a staple of their super hero franchise.
I disagree with pretty much all of your positive points
No More True Words Have Ever Been Spoken
Fool me once with them fake titles and thumbnails.. SC wants to stay in good graces with Disney, that's all. Talking up every bull crap series and movie whilst crushing his already sold nerd soul
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Everyone does
Yeah, the "positives" are a stetch for sure. Everything the writing room did I think they expected women everywhere to stand up and applaud or sonething they pushed an opinion and narrative so hard.
They thought they were being so groundbreaking and progressive but really they just created a show for people to be soured on because of how pushy it was with it's views to the point where it lost any cohesive plot.
One episode would be badly written court drama, the next it is a girl power romp where somehow twerking is empowering...to suddenly a story about "wow MCU writes bad endings" and "whoa! Incels are the worst huh?"
It's like the whole series was written by upset women internet trolls themselves.
you weren't being rough ryan, infact you went quite easy
When the head writer said she would walk if they didnt let her do that Robot Feige ending, they should have let her walk.
I found for one enjoyed the show. At the time Marvel was being criticized for following the same script in all its movies and shows. They tried to something different and I appreciate it for what it was.
Because they made a show that seemed determined to insult and jerk around MCU fans.
The character is not sympathetic and comes off as conceited to both Bruce and the audience with her cockiness.
Then any sort of criticism of the show was brushed off as "woman hate" even though there are many objective flaws (No legal consultants on a show about lawyers?)
No one care about seeing a pretty woman who already has more than most GET MORE and then go "woe is me because I am a woman..."
It was sooo poorly done. And, also, I have no issues with Meghan Thee Stallion, but a twerking She-Hulk set women's sufferage back by a few decades at least.
Like who is wanting to watch an MCU show where a gorgeous woman says "it's so hard to date... boo hoo"
Yeah must be tough choosing who you decide to date when you have unlimited options.... that every guy is some weirdo creep, like she is so hard done by by choice...
Pretty woman with a successful career gets superpowers... and her career just benefits MORE from it? Oh so relatable.
They just assemble her as this nearly flawless character and it is supposed to be a story we empathize or endear her to us?
If I had Jens "problems" I would be jumping for joy
Well, Superman literally wishes for a happy ending at the end of Final Crisis.
I got the “hello there” shirt for my birthday!! I wore it out to dinner and drinks and folks loved it!
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!! I *loved* Shulkie's finale!!!
Bad CGI, didn't care/mind
Bad writing, I minded
Super MARY SUE, I loathed
At least they didn't kill & reincarnate anybody
Jen Walters is no Mary Sue.
"You're buying something, no body would ever think about buying for themselves!"
That's all you needed to say for the ad
1:59 the Ryan Easter egg lol. Gotta love that.
This video tipifies to me when taking cannon too seriously fails a fan. I liked She-Hulk, i thought the finale was grat, loved seeing Jen take control of her show. Its when we as an audience expect writers to hold to cannon that hinders writers. I love the idea that their team made a story that stayed true to the comic character that the Byrne-run highlighted. They mad a fun show that didnt take itself too seriously, it was a nice change of pace for the MCU. Love most of your stuff, Ryan, just disagree with you on this one.
I think Ryan, like many RUclipsrs, has gotten WAY too invested and WAY too hyperfocused on finding nits to pick. Things can just exist and be enjoyed.
She Hulk breaks the 4th wall all the time in the comics like you said and she is still connected to the rest of Marvel Comics....it doesn't ruin it. Why does this? It's okay to just not like something even though it wasn't terrible.
Movie goers and TV watchers are different than comic book readers.
Generally in comics there is so much going on that many only pay attention to one at a time. They read Spider-man way more than anything else like X-men for example. A world changing event can happen amoung ALL the comics but for example Spider-man faces his own issue and then maybe joins a bigger fight, but even that fight may be in another comic like Secret wars, not spider-man comics.
I think people more easily separate and take each character as it's own thing in the comics whereas in the MCU it IS more about the overall world story.
If you watched it just for Thor then you are only seeing a fraction of the MCU and you cannot exactly make a whole fanbase on JUST Thor and not the MCU.
The She Hulk show was new, she wasnt part of any greater narrative yet but as this video says she already has universe breaking powers that don't come off well as a joke in such a small kinda side story so far.
She will be part of the greater MCU eventually and if she is doing more than making just quips or jokes to the audience then why cant she just hop into Disney+ again and say "hey this Kang thing isnt working right? So let's jjst say Dr Doom is here instead" it couod be a funny joke but considering she actually changed reality already MCU fans will say "why not again?" Whereas comic fans have already LOOONG learned that it is just a joke and no one saw this shit while reading the 500th X-men comic so it gets lost in the zaniness, not so much in the limited spotlight of the MCU
When she breaks the fourth wall in the comics, does she trash Marvel like she did in the show? And do her fourth wall breaks in the comics take the place of an actual resolution to the story as it did here? Her fourth wall break here wasn’t just a funny little thing. It was a major part of the story and basically took the place of simply writing a good ending.
@@Dan55888 I know what you are saying but I'm a comic and TV/Movie watcher and so is the guy who made this video. So he claims anyway. So I was wondering why for the guy making the video this was a problem.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715 Yes, she goes after writers and publishers and resolves problems by breaking the 4th wall.
the first episode originally being the second last episode makes more sense because the character Tatiana randomly appears out of no where in the episode with no build up to the character.
Also She Hulk just seemed to complain a lot about how hard women have life
"I like Megan thee stallion cause I have her on camera" is a fucking weird argument.
I don't think you were too rough on the finale, but I do think you were too generous on the overall show...
Why?
@@johnwerner69 In my opinion, ryan overestimates the qualities of the show, that was poorly conceived from the start in all fronts. The problem isn't make fun of it in the finale and break canon to "fix" the plot, is release all the previous episodes as they were from the start... The only good thing in She Hulk, to me, is Tatiana Maslany, who can shine even with the bad material she was given to work with.
@@Rodytohti that’s fair! I really loved the show
It was the worst show in decades. You think?
@@johnwerner69 I'm glad you enjoyed it, friend, wish I had as well.
I actually liked she hulk. Never expected many huge tie ins. I felt like it was the most creative show since wandavision in the mcu. I would encourage them to take more risks like that
Me too. I liked that it broke the typical formula and showed what it was and wasn’t doing at the end. I’d watch a season 2.
I thought it was terrible but agree, i would rather them take a swing and miss than stick to super formulaic , identical tones of most movies and shows.
But, She was allowed to change her finale only one time. She can't do it again, but She knows that she leaves in MCU, some kind of origin of her being "The character that knows the leaves in an movie"
Hey, that shirt that Michael’s wearing in his monologue, I have that one too. Bought it at target for 899 and then I walked over to the art section and bought some non-washable markers and let my kids color in all the characters on it you haven’t lived until you’ve seen a hot pink wolverine
What hurt me most is the current run in the comics has been really good, at a time most comics are not doing all that well. It is a little goofy and lighthearted, but it works for the character, in a way the show never did. It's like they tried to be "fun" with the 4th wall breaking and such, but it just came off as too much and really forced. And I think they re-wrote the ending, when they found out they were not going to be picked up for another season, so the left with both middle fingers in the air, instead of going out huge, in a way that might make them reconsider a season 2.
Throwing in the final to GOT is crazy thanks a lot Ryan 😵💫😂
He's off-base about game of thrones. It wasn't a studio swerve. Arya was always going to kill the Night King because that was in GRRM's notes to the show runners from the beginning. It only felt like a swerve because they had no real good ideas of how to actually make that plot point feel earned. They only had a destination, no road map to get there.