Right!? This whole raid quest was just a series of "That's a completely stupid idea. Why would we even consider that?" Urianger: "Verily, thou mustst merely defeat two gods-damned primals at the same fuckething time. A simple task, I say as the one who gets to sit back and watch."
Gotta give props to Ysayle, even if she didn’t summon Shiva properly she managed to ingratiate herself to the concept strongly enough to become part of her.
@@thedovahkiin746 i literally have...a key plot twist of Heavensward is that Ysayle thought she was the reincarnation of Shiva, only for Hraesvelgr to reveal that she wasn't. Just that her belief in the idea of Shiva was so strong (and she was so revered as such by her followers, hence why they called her Lady Iceheart) that she was able to function like a primal (similar to the pope whose name escapes me and how he and the Heaven's Ward could become the Knights of the Round). It was delusion, but at the very least her sincere desire for peace convinced Hraesvelgr to help humankind.
@ the whole shiva thing works the same as the other primals, so yes it’s not THE shiva but it’s a memory/thought of the primal, which then creates a physical representation of it. So yes, it is shiva, just not the original.
Ryne: Don’t worry, I can handle it. My WoL: “screaming inside his head that this is a bad idea but unable to say anything due to the lack of a dialog box”
If you have DRK unlocked that feeling is canonically Esteem trying to tell the WoL to cut it out, and the lack of dialogue box is the WoL ignoring the both of you.
My WoL: "So... what did we learn?" Ryne: "If I make a mistake, make sure I'm surrounded by people who care about me enough to pull me back from the brink?" My WoL: "...you know what? Good lesson." [helps her up]
I love how Ryne!Shiva draping herself in Hraesvelgr is a lot like Ran’jit. It makes sense given that’s her only point of reference for dragons in the First.
Yeah, since Primals are what they're believed to be, she must have imagined them unified the wrong way around, and Shiva is the dominant aspect, not Hraesvelgr
@@Regina-ys4ct wait, if that's true then wouldn't believing that the primals are all good cause them to become good thus ending the majority of the game's problems before they start?
@@christopherbravo1813. The primals are what they are believed to be by those who summon them, they cannot be changed after summoning. And, in many cases, the primals were summoned with intentions of war.
@@christopherbravo1813 It's a part of the story of the Empire. Icons as they call them are often summoned to help protect the Beast Tribes and so they do that in the most extreme way. They protect the Beast tribes even from themselves, and usually become Tyrannical as the Ikons/Primals are concept given form. For example, Sri Laksmi is a benevolent Goddess, but when summoned by the grief of a mother, she provides comfort from the pains of reality, and thus pulls them into an illusionary world free from grief and pain and suffering.
I almost wish that Square would mess with us by having a similar scenario, only once you gather your party and load in everything goes perfectly and the group instead has to fight an outside enemy trying to interfere.
@@H0ttabych She had all her beliefs and world shattered when Hraesvelgr told her that she wasn't really summoning Shiva but a mirage of what Ysale herself believed, and thus she had invited something foreign to manifest through her, and she had also led her band of heretics under a false premise.
I like the implication that all the primals are remembered in a very inaccurate way and look vastly different from their original versions but somehow the WoL perfectly remembered what Hraesvelgr looked like.
I like how the lyrics with cleaner audio in the song refer more strongly to Ysayle and the distorted sounding lyrics resonate more with Ryne's insecurities, yet both sets can be interpreted with either character.
This also feeds into the musical feature of Shadowbringers OST where instruments (especially the guitar) are purposefully distorted in order to create feelings of strangeness and deja vu from being in a similar yet different world far away from home.
I actually read this as Meteon. Song longing for oblivion, the darkness, the cold, the pain. Eyes wet with tears (fight mechanic). One more time, here I come (calamity), one last time here I come (final days but averted, so no more "here I comes" after that), to weary to die, my sins claim me (the annihilation of entire worlds), broken faded, how long have I waited to "open my wings" (also referenced in Endwalker - Footfalls with our song of hope "she dances on the wind, higher o' higher" by flying with her wings). so on and so forth.
@@LeicaFleury Meteion likely didn't exist at the point this patch was being developed, though they probably solidified her around when this patch actually released. They've mentioned in interviews that anything to do with Dynamis was a late addition to the story.
As a blue mage that tried to get the shiva spell by running original Shiva synced with other blue mages I can confirm that our souls did indeed long for oblivion.
Ryne asks about Shiva, and you feel a small pang in your heart. Even with all that's happened, Ysayle's death still feels fresh; you've not had much time to think on it. Taking a moment to think, you finally say something-- the smallest thing they can say. "Ysayle summoned Shiva through her, and suffered greatly for it." Ryne is curious about the idea of summoning a Primal through someone, and volunteers to be the vessel for Shiva. Despite your misgivings, you allow it; you trust Ryne, and she'll only grow if you let her make her own choices. As part of the summoning ritual, you have to share your memories with Ryne. Closing your eyes, you try to focus on the cold, the neverending cold of her arena, -the warm smile of Ysayle sitting around a campsite in Dravania,- Shiva's blades of ice cutting to the quick, switching from bow to spear to sword in an unrelenting assault, -her tears as Hraesvelgr rejects her wholly, denying her feelings as a feeble prayer,- the sheets of ice raining down around you, -her tears twinkling through a murky sky as she gives all she has to save your life.- As Ryne channels Shiva through her, she begins to lose control. You can see it immediately, the Light, ever-cursed _Light,_ shining through her eyes. You steel yourself, ready your blade, and shove your feelings down into the pit in your stomach. You hope against hope that you won't have to watch another friend die, this time by your own hand.
@@litewave5186 Buahahaha this dude teaching me about books in youtube comment section, wow even bigger cringe. "Everything written as story telling MUST BE AMAZING, cant be criticised, and if you dont like something written then you must hate books!!!!!1oneone" - some dumbo in yt comment section 2022
@@kehorie in all fairness, a lot of the information for that one was already surrounding the circumstances of the fight, and most all else from the latter half of SHB
"The soul longs for oblivion" "A voice from the past screaming there is no end" "A slave to my fate, ever doomed to repeat this, Again and again and again and again" This lines have so much more meaning now.
Shiva fight theme: *outlines Ysayle's intentions, as well as her death* Ryne-Shiva fight theme: *describes Hydaelyn's backstory, and, for that matter, a good chunk of EW's Elpis/Ancients arc*
Ryne: I can totally handle this! Also Ryne: *Nearly unleashes the Flood Of Light TWICE in a five minute time frame* WoL: Okay listen I'm not saying Emet-Selch was right...
My WoL: ...this is what i get for letting a child do an adults work. ALSO GODDAMMIT THANCRED!!! YOUR HERE BABYSITTER!!! DARK MESSENGER!!! Thancred: you don't have that.... WoL: i don't... but he does *summons Diablos* Thancred: A VOIDSENT!? HERE!? WoL: hey if you have sin eaters we can use voidsent...unfortunately for now they are the lesser of two evils.
No he's not Right u just want to be edgy to believe villains are right smh 🤦 first he is not right he literally want to murder million of people for his world to be back that's not a heroics act that just selfish and evil
@@Arthrexx Is it evil when you murder someone because you believe that since they're not the same race as you you'll make the world a better place by killing them in the name of some god you worship? I dunno, sounds like stuff that us modern-types make fun of ancient tribes for doing thousands of years ago and all that funny business.
@@john_7000 It's a joke, my dude. I don't think anyone genuinely believes that Emet Selch was in the right here. (Unless they're an Overlord fan, but that's just how that goes.)
When I first went through the dialog leading up to this fight I was saying this is a horrible idea. Once the fight happened and Ryne was possessed I let out a sigh and said to my wife, "whelp looks like we gotta smack the stupid out of her like we did her dad."
I thought the lyrics was referring to letting Shiva in and becoming part of yourself, but it can also refer to letting Hydaelyn in and letting Her control you. It's a great song for Ryne, who's always had to be Minfilia.
This song also harkens back to Ysayle, not just in rhythm and tempo, or being a remix, but lyrically and thematically as well. Ysayle was a very religious woman, a echo wielding, Warrior of light/blessing holding. She was driven not only by her faith, but her knowledge of the truth and want for peace. And when Hraesvalgr told her that she wasn't in fact the reincarnation of Shiva, and she was essentially letting a hodge podge fake Shiva into her body, it crushed her. She thought she was special, she wanted so badly to be someone of importance. Finding out the truth, finding out the lie she told herself, it crushed her. She made the ultimate sacrifice not only because she believed in us, but because she wanted to repent. This song is just as much about Ryne and her relations to Minfillia and Hydaelyn as it is Ysayle's struggle with her religion, beliefs,and trials/tribulations.
it's also kinda chilling to think WoL's feelings watching this unfold, who now knows hydaelyn is a primal and has to question wether or not they're just a slave to her, or just what it means to be so close to this kind of a force
@@shinkamui I love that "slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this" and "you'll never win unless you turn the light on" can really work both ways, for the generations of Minfilias and for WoL themselves. But then again since the Minfilia line ends with Ryne.
The thing is just because Hydaelyn is a primal doesn't mean she is evil. Heck Alexander and Ramuh are already clear examples of this and don't forget that Hyaelyn helped stop the Flood of Light. (She is also apparently the singer of Dragon Song) Also remember that despite the main plot of SB being about returning darkness, the WoL solves everything in a Light connected manner. Leaving me to believe that the turn the light on segment may also refer to our hero having to fully commit their powers granted by Hydaelyn to defeating Shiva if we are to save Ryne. After all Ryne's soul longs for oblivion rather than destroy everything and everyone she and Scions wish to save.
@@TheSwordsman100 just because she isn't evil, doesn't mean she can't be an antagonist. The whole theme of the game so far have been pointing towards the wol taking ownership of their fate, and we have been shown that even though she means well, her winning is bound to cause a calamity. And we're pretty good at winning as her champion. This is where the tension comes from, in the ''turn the light on'' cause in that stage, ryne was about to cause a second flood.
i find it interesting how this version of shiva looks almost exactly like ryne, while the previous shiva didn't look much like ysayle i suppose that's the difference between a being born of belief and faith and a being born of memories, one would have a more static appearance. also helps that ysayle literally believed herself to be the reincarnation of shiva, while ryne believes herself separate from her
My friend and I were having this exact conversation. I always find it so cool to see a summoning take on the traits of the summoner, they always have really cool designs.
i think it might also have something to do with it not being shiva, just like how the other eden primals are not the original primals either. just WoL's memory of Shiva, alongside Ryne using herself. "just visualize shiva... but ryne" ~wol, probably
@@vaporcolesynder6594 Remember... This is the same WoL who went: _"How many heads does Leviathan have again?"_ and _"Titan with wheels would be awesome..."_
My favourite part is when I realized how accidentally meta this song is with "A slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this" or maybe they foresaw it, that said somehow I came to love this fight and song despite how much I heard it each week
I, uh...have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion. -My WoL's excuse to being out of gil
While not the reason my WoL was out of Gil (I had just bought a house plot) I found that option too funny to ignore. Now if they had asked me about my Glamour obsession...
I checked the current price for Return to Oblivion on Hyperion right after that and it was a little over 4 million. I suppose that would be more than enough to bankrupt most.
This song is so good, but the lyrics are so sad when you actually start thinking about their meaning. "Too lost to the ice for saving" - ever despaired in your own lack of power to change your fate so hard that you eventually don't feel anything anymore, like your heart is literally frozen over?
It happens to everyone. You melt your heart by selflessness and compassion for others. The frost is bitter, the flame is love. All a part of the journey.
I think because of both the demand and a fight with long cutscenes and intermissions kinda makes sense. But with dawntrail prob will be way easier to unsync this and prices will drop.
I absolutely love this song! From the moment I first heard it, it captured my attention with its catchy melody and heartfelt lyrics. The way the artist blends different musical elements and the way the voice resonates through the verses and choruses is simply captivating. Each time I listen to it, it evokes a range of emotions, and I find myself singing along and getting lost in the music. It's one of those songs that I never get tired of and always brings a smile to my face. It truly holds a special place in my heart.
timing the phase transition with the piano section was SO well done (it's helped that part of the song become my favorite part lmao, it's SUCH a good bit)
This fight is like a grand orchestra with a staggering number of notes. The harmony has to be preserved by proper timing, precise positions, orderly tempo, and as loud as you can get to pull through it. So, that by the end you can be satisfied by the part you have played. This is truly one of the most beautiful and challenging fights of the game.
Ryne: Don't worry WOL, I won't lose control WOL: (Thinks back to Urianger's aether lecture) Wait isn't Ice aether light aspected in the Fir- OH FU-! *TRIAL BEGINS*
to be fair Urianger even says that ice is the closest to light in terms of how it represents stillness. literally everyone was saying it was not a good idea, ryne was just very insistent
Return to Oblivion is the epitome of FFXIV and their love of overlapping metaphorical layers into a song,,, I'm going absolutely feral at how intertwined with the past, current, and future (and even the future-past) this song is,,, so much depth so many perspectives so little time.
Hands down, the best theme for any raid since Heavensward. This is combined also with one of the most visually satisfying and mechanically well designed savage fights they've ever designed as well. I don't know how they'll ever out do this.
We also said the same thing for Tsukuyomi and Omega. How could they top that? Heck, we thought Hades was the high point of this expansion, and look what they did with Seat of Sacrifice. These guys are on fire both with the music and the complexities of the fights. (And just so I'm clear, I feel this is definitely one of the best fights in this expansion, probably second only to SoS so far.)
@@E-L337 Honestly, before this, the best theme was Rise "a.k.a. part 2 of Alexander" so I'd agree with it being the best since Heavensward. That fight is just super and having the 2nd half start with the equivalent of an alarm going off to warn you about an incoming nuke you have to stop with your hands is amazing as a mood setter
Low key I love how much this fight is like a classic FF boss. Between the design and the size difference, I can easily see this being some kind of fight from the older 16 bit games.
As someone who's still way back in Heavensward and has been extremely slow about bit by bit working my way up through the storyline, I'm just sitting here listening to random songs form the OST without looking at the video attached at all so as to not spoil myself and just.... absolutely nearly fainting from the sheer magnificence nearly knocking me out of my chair. As a guy who's been obsessed w/ JRPGs including FF itself throughout my life with the music being one of the most important elements of that enjoyment, this all just goes above and beyond to a level I never could've expected, ESPECIALLY from an MMO. And as the story where I'm at is finally heating up and getting really good, I keep hearing how better and better it gets in Shadowbringers... Yeah, it's time I caught up for real, in time for Endwalker.
Just a friendly post to let the newer players know that "Oblivion" is the name of the second theme in Shiva's fights. This is for Shadowbringers. Please don't read down here if you haven't gotten that far. There are spoilers. I've learned that the hard way.
"a voice from the past Screaming there is no end a slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this again and again and again and again" looks like WoL scream
I saw someone say, "What I expected from eShiva: Heavensward PTSD the fight." And then, "What I got: Ryne this was a terrible idea!" After seeing this I can't help but feel they gave us, "Heavensward PTSD, the fight" in Savage 0.o
This was my first experience at savage raiding (I went with my static through the learning and clearing of every fight until the last one of Shadowbringers) and it was one of the best experiences I ever had in a mmorpg. The memory of this music will be forever burned into my brain. I was a SCH tho.
Still the best boss theme IMO. The most hyped part with only dance beats coincide perfectly with the most convoluted mechanics in the fight. A masterpiece.
Raiding for years I thought it was interesting they did a bold reimagineing of the core primals from ARR while different radically the fights felt familiar as if trying to remember something but can't quite get it right
Okay but the transition to Ryne!Shiva phase 2 in E8N on week one was really something. The scalp tingles hearing this music for the first time were really something. Not like in a weird way but like damn this was good music and I wish I could experience this for the first time again.
I can't help but feel like this fight is some big tease as to how Hydaelyn vs Zodiark went down. Maybe there was surprise interference by Midgardsormr to swing the fight in Hydaelyn's favor we never heard about in game.
If you are new then why the heck are you even here browsing these videos if you are not at this part? You´re not doing yourself a favor because youtube recommended videos will spoil you 100%
Finally got to take my sprout friends through the Eden raids and I'm SOOOOOO happy they got to see E8. It and its savage variant are my favorite fights in this game as of now
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wol: ysayle controlled a primal by summoning it through herself. she suffered greatly for it
ryne: fucking poggers dude let's do it
Right!? This whole raid quest was just a series of "That's a completely stupid idea. Why would we even consider that?"
Urianger: "Verily, thou mustst merely defeat two gods-damned primals at the same fuckething time. A simple task, I say as the one who gets to sit back and watch."
@@redgeoblaze3752 you know, what was his actual reasoning for summoning both at the same time?
poggers dude let's copy paste this for likes that seriously don't matter!
@@worstmeme7789 We needed rain to come back, and bringing back Wind or Fire aether alone wouldn't be enough.
Thanks to this comment I now automatically connect Ryne to "Poggers".
Don't let this banger soundtrack distract you from the fact Urianger signed off on every stupid idea we had in Eden.
WoL: How many wheels did Titan have?
Thancred: [stunned silence due to the WoL's stupidity]
Urianger: I believeth four.
WoL: Yeah, that sounds right.
Gotta give props to Ysayle, even if she didn’t summon Shiva properly she managed to ingratiate herself to the concept strongly enough to become part of her.
that's a very...friendly way of saying "she deluded herself into thinking she was shiva reincarnated"
@@ApexGale Well if the collective unconscious of the world deemed it so then she certainly made the most of those delusions
@@ApexGalenever played the game I’m guessing?
@@thedovahkiin746 i literally have...a key plot twist of Heavensward is that Ysayle thought she was the reincarnation of Shiva, only for Hraesvelgr to reveal that she wasn't. Just that her belief in the idea of Shiva was so strong (and she was so revered as such by her followers, hence why they called her Lady Iceheart) that she was able to function like a primal (similar to the pope whose name escapes me and how he and the Heaven's Ward could become the Knights of the Round). It was delusion, but at the very least her sincere desire for peace convinced Hraesvelgr to help humankind.
@ the whole shiva thing works the same as the other primals, so yes it’s not THE shiva but it’s a memory/thought of the primal, which then creates a physical representation of it. So yes, it is shiva, just not the original.
Ryne: Don’t worry, I can handle it.
My WoL: “screaming inside his head that this is a bad idea but unable to say anything due to the lack of a dialog box”
If you have DRK unlocked that feeling is canonically Esteem trying to tell the WoL to cut it out, and the lack of dialogue box is the WoL ignoring the both of you.
@@onedown9000togo Sometimes Esteem is the Sith Lord in WoL's head saying "DEWIT" and sometimes Esteem is the last brain cell yelling at WoL.
WoL: This is a really bad idea.
Also WoL: But fuck if it doesn't sound like a fun fight, let's go!
My WoL: "So... what did we learn?"
Ryne: "If I make a mistake, make sure I'm surrounded by people who care about me enough to pull me back from the brink?"
My WoL: "...you know what? Good lesson." [helps her up]
I love how Ryne!Shiva draping herself in Hraesvelgr is a lot like Ran’jit. It makes sense given that’s her only point of reference for dragons in the First.
Holy shit I never thought of that
Yeah, since Primals are what they're believed to be, she must have imagined them unified the wrong way around, and Shiva is the dominant aspect, not Hraesvelgr
@@Regina-ys4ct wait, if that's true then wouldn't believing that the primals are all good cause them to become good thus ending the majority of the game's problems before they start?
@@christopherbravo1813. The primals are what they are believed to be by those who summon them, they cannot be changed after summoning. And, in many cases, the primals were summoned with intentions of war.
@@christopherbravo1813 It's a part of the story of the Empire. Icons as they call them are often summoned to help protect the Beast Tribes and so they do that in the most extreme way.
They protect the Beast tribes even from themselves, and usually become Tyrannical as the Ikons/Primals are concept given form.
For example, Sri Laksmi is a benevolent Goddess, but when summoned by the grief of a mother, she provides comfort from the pains of reality, and thus pulls them into an illusionary world free from grief and pain and suffering.
Sends a shiva down my spine.
"Body's aching all the time" 🤣
@@WarWolfCZ Galileo Galileo...
That would 100% be the title of a quest that unlocks a third shiva fight
WoL: "Ysayle summoned Shiva through her and suffered greatly for if"
Ryne: "Don't worry, I can take it"
*Eden's Verse: Refulgence Unlocked*
I almost wish that Square would mess with us by having a similar scenario, only once you gather your party and load in everything goes perfectly and the group instead has to fight an outside enemy trying to interfere.
Suffered? She seemed to be fine during summoning all 3 times though? (except dying last time, of course)
@@H0ttabych she was just branded a heritic and hunted to the ends of the realm, that's all
@@Tom-zc7xp That was well before her summoning Shiva though?
@@H0ttabych She had all her beliefs and world shattered when Hraesvelgr told her that she wasn't really summoning Shiva but a mirage of what Ysale herself believed, and thus she had invited something foreign to manifest through her, and she had also led her band of heretics under a false premise.
That "again and again and again and again" line really hit different during progging
It really do... Fuck light rampant...
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spoiler : the song isnt about Shiva, its about the players.
I felt the pain too
@@Shiirow I kinda figured it was about Ryne and the whole 'eternally reincarnating Minfilia' thing 'a slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this'
I like the implication that all the primals are remembered in a very inaccurate way and look vastly different from their original versions but somehow the WoL perfectly remembered what Hraesvelgr looked like.
in all fairness, wandering minstrel never wrote a song about hraesvelgr to exaggerate it
Wasen't because you misremembered. It's cause your WOL refused to fight something weak and chose to think of versions that equaled there power
I would probably remember the dragon who lent me one of his eyes to kill his brother, and then saved my skin after fighting Omega.
@redgeoblaze3752 i would also argue hreas is a part of us thats why he was envisioned so accurate
To be fair, we did spend a lot of time calmly looking Hraesvelgr in the face and not fighting him.
I like how the lyrics with cleaner audio in the song refer more strongly to Ysayle and the distorted sounding lyrics resonate more with Ryne's insecurities, yet both sets can be interpreted with either character.
This also feeds into the musical feature of Shadowbringers OST where instruments (especially the guitar) are purposefully distorted in order to create feelings of strangeness and deja vu from being in a similar yet different world far away from home.
I actually read this as Meteon. Song longing for oblivion, the darkness, the cold, the pain. Eyes wet with tears (fight mechanic). One more time, here I come (calamity), one last time here I come (final days but averted, so no more "here I comes" after that), to weary to die, my sins claim me (the annihilation of entire worlds), broken faded, how long have I waited to "open my wings" (also referenced in Endwalker - Footfalls with our song of hope "she dances on the wind, higher o' higher" by flying with her wings). so on and so forth.
@@LeicaFleury Meteion likely didn't exist at the point this patch was being developed, though they probably solidified her around when this patch actually released. They've mentioned in interviews that anything to do with Dynamis was a late addition to the story.
As a blue mage that tried to get the shiva spell by running original Shiva synced with other blue mages I can confirm that our souls did indeed long for oblivion.
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T. Soloed extreme with with free trial account till i got it.
Oh man i hope thier no glass dance ver.2 when we get the lvl80 patch ;heart break;
you were dead before you met her
@@jaklop5784 I hope Blue Mage never gets a lvl 80 patch
I hope blue mage gets lv 80
Ryne asks about Shiva, and you feel a small pang in your heart. Even with all that's happened, Ysayle's death still feels fresh; you've not had much time to think on it. Taking a moment to think, you finally say something-- the smallest thing they can say.
"Ysayle summoned Shiva through her, and suffered greatly for it."
Ryne is curious about the idea of summoning a Primal through someone, and volunteers to be the vessel for Shiva. Despite your misgivings, you allow it; you trust Ryne, and she'll only grow if you let her make her own choices.
As part of the summoning ritual, you have to share your memories with Ryne. Closing your eyes, you try to focus on the cold, the neverending cold of her arena, -the warm smile of Ysayle sitting around a campsite in Dravania,- Shiva's blades of ice cutting to the quick, switching from bow to spear to sword in an unrelenting assault, -her tears as Hraesvelgr rejects her wholly, denying her feelings as a feeble prayer,- the sheets of ice raining down around you, -her tears twinkling through a murky sky as she gives all she has to save your life.-
As Ryne channels Shiva through her, she begins to lose control. You can see it immediately, the Light, ever-cursed _Light,_
shining through her eyes. You steel yourself, ready your blade, and shove your feelings down into the pit in your stomach. You hope against hope that you won't have to watch another friend die, this time by your own hand.
Beautiful
What is this cringe even?
@@Alen725 RP
@@Alen725 it's called storytelling. apparently writing books and such is 'cringe' now...?
@@litewave5186 Buahahaha this dude teaching me about books in youtube comment section, wow even bigger cringe.
"Everything written as story telling MUST BE AMAZING, cant be criticised, and if you dont like something written then you must hate books!!!!!1oneone" - some dumbo in yt comment section 2022
Everyone's looking back on Answers in light of recent events but this song's making a lot more sense now too.
You're right
Go listen to To the Edge again
@@kehorie in all fairness, a lot of the information for that one was already surrounding the circumstances of the fight, and most all else from the latter half of SHB
My favorite to look back on is the Brute Justice Theme
Thematically it makes way more sense for "her song in my ears" to be referring to Ysayle/Shiva rather than E**s****r.
"The soul longs for oblivion"
"A voice from the past screaming there is no end"
"A slave to my fate, ever doomed to repeat this, Again and again and again and again"
This lines have so much more meaning now.
thats fucking awesome
Shiva fight theme: *outlines Ysayle's intentions, as well as her death*
Ryne-Shiva fight theme: *describes Hydaelyn's backstory, and, for that matter, a good chunk of EW's Elpis/Ancients arc*
Yeah I've noticed a lot of the music pre-EW hits REALLY different after you've finished MSQ.
Also describes what the various iterations of Minfilia/Hydaelyn on the source. Inhabiting the bodies of these girls over and over and over.
@@jacobsiron6929 That feels like a bit of a reach - you could just as easily apply those lyrics to Cahciua as Hydaelyn.
Ryne complaining that every time she tried to turn the light on, Thancred would scold her, saying she was wasting electricity.
I will never get over the song being called “Return to oblivion” it’s so perfect
I just started 2 month ago ff14 just because of this soundtrack ..xD
Isn’t one of ARR Shiva named oblivion
@@robowolfzane6666 yes that's why the Eden version of shiva have " Return to oblivion " it's a remix
@@robowolfzane6666 1ßaa
Oblivion is also the name of the area in Snowcloak where you first meet Ysayle, if I remember correctly.
Ryne: I can totally handle this!
Also Ryne: *Nearly unleashes the Flood Of Light TWICE in a five minute time frame*
WoL: Okay listen I'm not saying Emet-Selch was right...
My WoL: ...this is what i get for letting a child do an adults work. ALSO GODDAMMIT THANCRED!!! YOUR HERE BABYSITTER!!! DARK MESSENGER!!!
Thancred: you don't have that....
WoL: i don't... but he does *summons Diablos*
Thancred: A VOIDSENT!? HERE!?
WoL: hey if you have sin eaters we can use voidsent...unfortunately for now they are the lesser of two evils.
No he's not Right u just want to be edgy to believe villains are right smh 🤦 first he is not right he literally want to murder million of people for his world to be back that's not a heroics act that just selfish and evil
@@john_7000 Is it evil when you step on an ant?
@@Arthrexx Is it evil when you murder someone because you believe that since they're not the same race as you you'll make the world a better place by killing them in the name of some god you worship?
I dunno, sounds like stuff that us modern-types make fun of ancient tribes for doing thousands of years ago and all that funny business.
@@john_7000 It's a joke, my dude. I don't think anyone genuinely believes that Emet Selch was in the right here. (Unless they're an Overlord fan, but that's just how that goes.)
When I first went through the dialog leading up to this fight I was saying this is a horrible idea. Once the fight happened and Ryne was possessed I let out a sigh and said to my wife, "whelp looks like we gotta smack the stupid out of her like we did her dad."
“Go back I want to be Shiva” - Ryne, probably
I thought the lyrics was referring to letting Shiva in and becoming part of yourself, but it can also refer to letting Hydaelyn in and letting Her control you. It's a great song for Ryne, who's always had to be Minfilia.
This song also harkens back to Ysayle, not just in rhythm and tempo, or being a remix, but lyrically and thematically as well.
Ysayle was a very religious woman, a echo wielding, Warrior of light/blessing holding. She was driven not only by her faith, but her knowledge of the truth and want for peace. And when Hraesvalgr told her that she wasn't in fact the reincarnation of Shiva, and she was essentially letting a hodge podge fake Shiva into her body, it crushed her.
She thought she was special, she wanted so badly to be someone of importance. Finding out the truth, finding out the lie she told herself, it crushed her. She made the ultimate sacrifice not only because she believed in us, but because she wanted to repent.
This song is just as much about Ryne and her relations to Minfillia and Hydaelyn as it is Ysayle's struggle with her religion, beliefs,and trials/tribulations.
it's also kinda chilling to think WoL's feelings watching this unfold, who now knows hydaelyn is a primal and has to question wether or not they're just a slave to her, or just what it means to be so close to this kind of a force
@@shinkamui I love that "slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this" and "you'll never win unless you turn the light on" can really work both ways, for the generations of Minfilias and for WoL themselves. But then again since the Minfilia line ends with Ryne.
The thing is just because Hydaelyn is a primal doesn't mean she is evil. Heck Alexander and Ramuh are already clear examples of this and don't forget that Hyaelyn helped stop the Flood of Light. (She is also apparently the singer of Dragon Song) Also remember that despite the main plot of SB being about returning darkness, the WoL solves everything in a Light connected manner. Leaving me to believe that the turn the light on segment may also refer to our hero having to fully commit their powers granted by Hydaelyn to defeating Shiva if we are to save Ryne. After all Ryne's soul longs for oblivion rather than destroy everything and everyone she and Scions wish to save.
@@TheSwordsman100 just because she isn't evil, doesn't mean she can't be an antagonist. The whole theme of the game so far have been pointing towards the wol taking ownership of their fate, and we have been shown that even though she means well, her winning is bound to cause a calamity. And we're pretty good at winning as her champion. This is where the tension comes from, in the ''turn the light on'' cause in that stage, ryne was about to cause a second flood.
i find it interesting how this version of shiva looks almost exactly like ryne, while the previous shiva didn't look much like ysayle
i suppose that's the difference between a being born of belief and faith and a being born of memories, one would have a more static appearance.
also helps that ysayle literally believed herself to be the reincarnation of shiva, while ryne believes herself separate from her
My friend and I were having this exact conversation. I always find it so cool to see a summoning take on the traits of the summoner, they always have really cool designs.
i think it might also have something to do with it not being shiva, just like how the other eden primals are not the original primals either.
just WoL's memory of Shiva, alongside Ryne using herself.
"just visualize shiva... but ryne" ~wol, probably
@@vaporcolesynder6594 Remember... This is the same WoL who went: _"How many heads does Leviathan have again?"_ and _"Titan with wheels would be awesome..."_
@@ecchidragon8038 hahaha exactly
"titan's a monster truck, isn't he? yeah that's it."
"i remember garuda and ifrit being hot and ripped af"
@@vaporcolesynder6594 "What was Ramuh again? A horse? A donkey? All I remember is beard."
"We're taught to fear the reaper"
*Announcement of reaper class*
WoL: *becomes reaper class*
Shiva: *panic*
But instead we have to be her? ;)
and you still hear glasses shattering when someone mentions light rampant
@@Mav10 *vietnam flashbacks*
Shiva *is* the reaper in those lyrics.
FEARLESS CREATURES, WE WILL LEARN TO FIGHT THE REAPER (at least if you are into PvP)
That moment when you watch a video for the song and you accidentally learn how to do E8S
Wish It were that easy, that raid is literally savage
Me, basically
what do you mean? this video didn't have light rampant. and e8s is all light rampant
@zennok It says ‘Eden’s Verse: Refulgence (Savage)’ under the map ☺️💖
@@henrique-caveirinha-nascim1587 hah I get it.
8:13 that timing when tower orbs pop is so well synced with the song
Nice catch.
Two words: impact resonance
My favourite part is when I realized how accidentally meta this song is with "A slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this" or maybe they foresaw it, that said somehow I came to love this fight and song despite how much I heard it each week
The devs have said they usually have the story planned 4 years in advance.
Hrasvelgr saving us from jail time by covering up the important parts of this primal-possessed 16yo
I thought she was 13 or 14
she's a cartoon
@@Antiformed if you wanna get technical, she's a 3d model in a video game
Animated? Yes
Cartoon? Not entirely sure
@@Konpekikaminari what about the people who wanna get physical?
@@reapercheshire1577 She said the twins are her age and they're 16
How many people came here after seeing this orchestrion roll mentioned in the Hildibrand quest from 6.45 ?
And it actually expensive af i cant
Not because of the Hildibrand quest but man... I felt called out. I did spend a million or two on it.
Me when i get a "Return to Oblivion" Roll. STONKS!
"A million gil, was it?"
"Wait... You just HAVE that much?"
"You have no idea how long I've been bidding for a house."
@@alexbrangan2885"spend a couple months in Eureka, dropping a mil feels comparable to 100k eventually"
I, uh...have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion. -My WoL's excuse to being out of gil
While not the reason my WoL was out of Gil (I had just bought a house plot) I found that option too funny to ignore. Now if they had asked me about my Glamour obsession...
I checked the current price for Return to Oblivion on Hyperion right after that and it was a little over 4 million. I suppose that would be more than enough to bankrupt most.
This song is so good, but the lyrics are so sad when you actually start thinking about their meaning.
"Too lost to the ice for saving" - ever despaired in your own lack of power to change your fate so hard that you eventually don't feel anything anymore, like your heart is literally frozen over?
It happens to everyone. You melt your heart by selflessness and compassion for others. The frost is bitter, the flame is love. All a part of the journey.
That "Again and Again" segment from Jocat's Tank video makes so much more sense now.
3, almost 4 years later and this song is STILL 4 million on the market board.
I think because of both the demand and a fight with long cutscenes and intermissions kinda makes sense. But with dawntrail prob will be way easier to unsync this and prices will drop.
I absolutely love this song! From the moment I first heard it, it captured my attention with its catchy melody and heartfelt lyrics. The way the artist blends different musical elements and the way the voice resonates through the verses and choruses is simply captivating. Each time I listen to it, it evokes a range of emotions, and I find myself singing along and getting lost in the music. It's one of those songs that I never get tired of and always brings a smile to my face. It truly holds a special place in my heart.
timing the phase transition with the piano section was SO well done (it's helped that part of the song become my favorite part lmao, it's SUCH a good bit)
This fight is like a grand orchestra with a staggering number of notes. The harmony has to be preserved by proper timing, precise positions, orderly tempo, and as loud as you can get to pull through it. So, that by the end you can be satisfied by the part you have played. This is truly one of the most beautiful and challenging fights of the game.
This is easily the best song from the Eden raids, I love it so much
"THE SOUL LONGS FOR OBLIVIOOOOON"
... looking at endwalker this phrase hits very differently now
This isn't the only song it appears in either, it first appeared in Awnsers
@@Lego3400 The line in Answers is actually "The soul yearns for honor, and the flesh the hereafter."
Ryne: Don't worry WOL, I won't lose control
WOL: (Thinks back to Urianger's aether lecture) Wait isn't Ice aether light aspected in the Fir- OH FU-!
*TRIAL BEGINS*
to be fair Urianger even says that ice is the closest to light in terms of how it represents stillness. literally everyone was saying it was not a good idea, ryne was just very insistent
Ice is always astral aspected (light) but the Source has it backwards because a scholar messed up in the past. Urianger explains it in Il Mheg
@@ExceedProduction I do remember that detail now, so I can just chalk that up to my WoL being a dummy
Thancred: You sure you can control it?
Ryne: Yeah, don't worry about it.
WOL: I've got a bad feeling about this.
Sorry Hildy, I got myself an orchestrion roll collecting problem...
Really diggin’ how well the music synchs with that transition cutscene. 10/10
So that's what this sounds like without the sounds of light rampant chains breaking.
Can someone please turn the light on for this lady! She keeps asking for it!
You could make a religion out of this
She doesn't pay the bills, so no.
For some reason I keep hearing "Jambalaya" instead of turn the light on 😂
@@levi26448 Jambalaya you'll never win less you jamabalaya
She doesn’t pay my sub.
FFXIV players: "We'll I didn't want to dance but here we fucking go again"
True that.
We have a music playing class and a dancing class, we know what we are.
Return to Oblivion is the epitome of FFXIV and their love of overlapping metaphorical layers into a song,,, I'm going absolutely feral at how intertwined with the past, current, and future (and even the future-past) this song is,,, so much depth so many perspectives so little time.
That baseline has no business being THAT good
It's jrpg music. Of course it does.
It’s from Japan. It’s going to be really good.
I, uh...have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion.
Hands down, the best theme for any raid since Heavensward. This is combined also with one of the most visually satisfying and mechanically well designed savage fights they've ever designed as well. I don't know how they'll ever out do this.
We also said the same thing for Tsukuyomi and Omega. How could they top that?
Heck, we thought Hades was the high point of this expansion, and look what they did with Seat of Sacrifice. These guys are on fire both with the music and the complexities of the fights.
(And just so I'm clear, I feel this is definitely one of the best fights in this expansion, probably second only to SoS so far.)
Please, look forward to it.
@@E-L337 Honestly, before this, the best theme was Rise "a.k.a. part 2 of Alexander" so I'd agree with it being the best since Heavensward. That fight is just super and having the 2nd half start with the equivalent of an alarm going off to warn you about an incoming nuke you have to stop with your hands is amazing as a mood setter
"This is the best theme for any raid since Heavensward"
so the best theme since heavensward is... the heavensward remix?
@@paragon359 I said that with deference to basically all the music in the Alexander raids.
Endwalker gives this and Oblivion so much more meaning.
Still think the Eden raids had some of the best music by FAR. They’re all just so damn good to listen to.
Truth of Mountains right there. 😁
Hopefully we can hear this masterpiece again during Eden ultimate coming in Dawntrail :D
Low key I love how much this fight is like a classic FF boss. Between the design and the size difference, I can easily see this being some kind of fight from the older 16 bit games.
As someone who's still way back in Heavensward and has been extremely slow about bit by bit working my way up through the storyline, I'm just sitting here listening to random songs form the OST without looking at the video attached at all so as to not spoil myself and just.... absolutely nearly fainting from the sheer magnificence nearly knocking me out of my chair. As a guy who's been obsessed w/ JRPGs including FF itself throughout my life with the music being one of the most important elements of that enjoyment, this all just goes above and beyond to a level I never could've expected, ESPECIALLY from an MMO. And as the story where I'm at is finally heating up and getting really good, I keep hearing how better and better it gets in Shadowbringers... Yeah, it's time I caught up for real, in time for Endwalker.
Shadowbringers its really really cool make sure to enjoy it all for those of us who cant play it for the 1st time again :3
Never realized how much of a banger this was until now! I was too busy dying and begging for my life my first run. Ice mechs are forever my enemy.
I have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion.
Soken how on earth are you so good at making music wtf
Actual japanese composers are out of this world... Those guys are mastercrafters who may be dealing with the devil to be this goos
@@Irisfantasies I understand that it's just an expression, but attributing human genius to the supernatural is insulting.
@@TheSuperRatt depends on how you see it. To some, it can be an insult, but to others, a good compliment
@@TheSuperRatt it really depends. I definitely don't mind being compared to a God xD
This actually wasn't Soken. It was someone else on the team that did most of the Eden remixes
I can't listen to this song or watch this fight without getting way too emotional. What a masterpiece
1:06 these vocals are insane. That's the most angelic sound I've ever heard
I expended a lot of guil in this orchestration roll, later I needed the guil to buy some mushroom at a inspector's request, a shame
Just a friendly post to let the newer players know that "Oblivion" is the name of the second theme in Shiva's fights.
This is for Shadowbringers.
Please don't read down here if you haven't gotten that far. There are spoilers. I've learned that the hard way.
"a voice from the past
Screaming there is no end
a slave to my fate
ever doomed to repeat this
again and again and again and again"
looks like WoL scream
Listening to this banger again because of the new Manderville quests
This song is so hypeeeeeeeeeee during combat.
Bonus points when the song lines up with that normal mode cutscene
I love that a lot of the lyrics refer to a previous self, but its ambiguous as to whether that was Minfilla or Ysayle.
There’s one song my dad likes called “leave a light on for me” I guess I now know what happens if you dont
What happens if you don't?
@@PurpleAppleDrink Ya get a depressed teenager asking you to turn the light on.
@@PurpleAppleDrink you get life long ptsd
@@PurpleAppleDrink you want every win lol. The crumbs sound like you spin me right round lol
I still don't 100% get it but okay
that light pinging sound at 1:30 - 1:33 is such a nice addition. adds something pure to everything
Ryne in a commercial be like: "When ether gives you calcium!"
This song goes ridiculously hard, it really does.
But I could do without my blood pressure rising to dangerous levels whenever I hear it.
psst
Light Rampant
This song really hits harder now that I’ve finished Endwalker ....
I saw someone say, "What I expected from eShiva: Heavensward PTSD the fight." And then, "What I got: Ryne this was a terrible idea!"
After seeing this I can't help but feel they gave us, "Heavensward PTSD, the fight" in Savage 0.o
i never saw the Hrasvelgr part before T________________________________T
I kind of want anyone who beat e8s to have extra dialogue where they go to Hrasvelgar and tall him about the fight.
DSR: Allow me to introduce myself
FF16: we have dominant
FF14 we also have dominant at home
*at home* a teenage girl turn into shiva
The lyrics to this have a while different context after endwalker. Song of oblivion.
This was my first experience at savage raiding (I went with my static through the learning and clearing of every fight until the last one of Shadowbringers) and it was one of the best experiences I ever had in a mmorpg. The memory of this music will be forever burned into my brain. I was a SCH tho.
This music is gonna get nuts during the incoming ultimate
I love this song so much, this and Suzaku's theme are my favourites!
Amazing video dude. Love how you set up the lyrics.
Doin savage content be like
" A slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this. Again and again and again and again"
2:15 my favorite part
GOOD GREIF SHE’S NUDE!!
2:15 really hits because that's either at Worm's lament 1 or 2 lolz
I can hear the Anhk Morns going offs.
E8N
Thancred: Please go easy on her
Me: okay
Mean while in E8S
Me: *POP EVERY POD YOU HAVE AND THROW EVERY THING YOU GOT!!! TAKE THAT B***H DOWN!!!!!*
Ryne: dad meet my boyfriend hraesvelgr
Thancred: .... I'm not... Even gonna try to intimidate this one...
WoL/WoD: Yeah... you don't wanna do it. Do not recommend.
More like..
"So... you like snek?"
@@mm.124 Wol/wod: you don't want the brother in law to come out right?
Hraesvelgr: here is my wife ryne and her girlfriend gaia
like Thancred wozld be intimidated by a mere flying lizard
Still the best boss theme IMO. The most hyped part with only dance beats coincide perfectly with the most convoluted mechanics in the fight. A masterpiece.
My WoL spent the last of her savings on this
Raiding for years I thought it was interesting they did a bold reimagineing of the core primals from ARR while different radically the fights felt familiar as if trying to remember something but can't quite get it right
Okay but the transition to Ryne!Shiva phase 2 in E8N on week one was really something. The scalp tingles hearing this music for the first time were really something. Not like in a weird way but like damn this was good music and I wish I could experience this for the first time again.
"Never to be parted." Interesting foreshadowing there along with the rest of the big sin eaters.
7:18 The Akh Morns are nearly perfectly synced with the rhythm track.
*Akh Rals
Damn, I never really noticed how intense those background screams are in this OST!
this will forever be the BEST boss music this game ever slapped us with, period.
god knows how much I love this song
Yo, the fact for the chorus, you have to sing through that part, no breath, is ingenuous
i always here " TO OPEN MY EYEEEES* this song and fight was beautiful
I can't help but feel like this fight is some big tease as to how Hydaelyn vs Zodiark went down. Maybe there was surprise interference by Midgardsormr to swing the fight in Hydaelyn's favor we never heard about in game.
I'm new to this game and i can't wait to get to this part in game to here this amazing theme when im fighting her
If you need a hand with anything and are on Crystal let me know. There's nothing FF14 players love more than helping others experience the story.
If you are new then why the heck are you even here browsing these videos if you are not at this part? You´re not doing yourself a favor because youtube recommended videos will spoil you 100%
@@DeadalusG ur a lil late I already beat the game and got to that Part in the game was challenging but our team cleared the raid
@@fbi-chan9032 Did you enjoy it?
@@viviak0u ye it was fun
Songs so wild, a masterpiece for sure
Vibing during the raid while trying to not absolutely wrecked by a flood of light
wol and the gang hit the griddy and immediately stop the flood
hahahaha omg how much i love your descrioption of that song, we are raiding atm so yeah super nice to just enjoy :)
I would pay 50 bucks easily for a costume of her base form, SE please do it.
while at that let us wear ysayle's shiva too lmao that was a fine costume as well
I jumped to a cosplay conclusion and I was like, "boiiii that'll be closer to 200" but yeah I get you. Understandable, have a nice day.
I'd pay for her second form too :^)
They need to also add an emote where you can reproduce the sound of Light Rampart.
Watch and dozens of players shiver in PTSD
Use the augmented hailstorm glam (casting one) for head body hands and 2B legs and feet
Everything dyed metallic blue
Finally got to take my sprout friends through the Eden raids and I'm SOOOOOO happy they got to see E8. It and its savage variant are my favorite fights in this game as of now
Never played FFXIV, but i can say this is giving Nightwish
okay just by listening the song my finger's just going through an opener