Big Bore or Rebuild Your Twin Cam For Cheap
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- We all love a deal and V-Twin Manufacturing has the deals on twin cam big bore kits! You can take your 88 to a 95, 96 to 103, or 96/103 all the way to a 110 for less than you might expect. With the saving you'll have money left over for a new set of cams. If you already have a set of performance cams these kits are a great way to get to that next step of performance.
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Would you install one of the kits from V-Twin Manufacturing or go with one from FuelMoto or S&S?
Fuel moto 👍🏻
Their service and support is top notch too!
how good is the rings, if they get hot will they still work or need replaced first time getting hot ?
The rings are from Wiesco so l wouldn't see an issue there.
Neither at first. I took my 2007 96” to about the same output as a 103 by adding Andrew’s 37H cams, power commander V, Performance Machine Intake w/ K&N filter, Vance & Hines long shots. 77Hp and 90 tq. Pretty happy with the results as it gave me great mid range and useable power. To get anymore I’d have to go bigger than 103 imo since, the cams would/should be changed no matter what bigger bore kit there is to go to.
PS: I’d love to see a video explaining dynamic compression vs. static. Most folks don’t grasp the importance of that and you explain stuff pretty well.
I also would like to share you will never regret getting quality heads ported and polished it will make night and day difference letting your engine breathe
A good port job makes a hell of difference on a set of stock heads!
@@GixxerFoo stock heads are meant for the weekend fair weather rider that has no desire to bounce the speedometer lol
Lol very true! They really aren't impressive at all when you look at a set off the bike, the Screamin Eagle heads should be stock on them.
Great info as always! Thanks bro! The research and time you take to bring us these videos is greatly appreciated!
I appreciate that! Thank you for taking the time to check out our videos over here.
I personally think that unless you're going all out racing, that these budget kits are definitely the way to go. It's like you said, save some money for cams or quite possibly some head work!
Totally agree! I like these for the every day average rider like myself, I love the power but I am not racing lol.
I went with Hillside as they are 1.5 hours from me.Bored , honed, 10.2 pistons, MCR’s, rings gapped installed on pistons …$990
I did labor. Used Andrew’s 57H and aim clutch.
Those Fuel Moto Woods 98" kits for the 88" TC are making huge power. Even with stock heads on the 2006 bikes. Of course, it's $2k but damn.
FuelMoto knows how to build and package an engine combo, they can make a Harley run!
All I will say is sometimes we pay for intangibles, like customer service. If you ever deal with Fuel Moto, you would have no issue paying their prices for their kits. The product knowledge and support from those guys is unreal. They stand by what they sell, and have seen and done it all.
These budget kits are fine for budget rebuilds for salvage bikes, but I'd be concerned with prices that low. In short, it's probably worth it to eat Kraft Dinner for an extra 2-3 months if it means you can get something quality that will last. Just my humble opinion...
😄😄 Eat Kraft Dinner 👍, I like that! FuelMoto is awesome, I've done quite a bit of business with them and they have been awesome. With these kits the pistons are top notch, but I am not 100% on the gaskets or where the cylinders are actually made.
Great vid!!! Love this stuff. The numbers are fabulous and so cheap. 110 kit. Very cheap.
I didn’t know that the option of 96 - 110 existed. I have a 103 and you have me thinking.
Yeah the 96 and the 103 have the same case bore diameter and the same stroke. The only difference is the cylinder bore. Thank you for supporting us over here!
Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
I hope it was helpful!
Precious info as usual.
Thanks.
We appreciate your support and we'll keep it coming!
Hahahaha, love how you priced the kit Plus install, 😅👍
Great video, Thanks
Yeah install is a whole other story especially if you're paying to have it done...
having my O5 88tc that I had a big bore and ported. now taking it having it bored stroked, bigger valve springs, 510's gear drives and oil pump. cant wait to see the difference
I'd imagine it's going to rip and pull hard for sure, especially with those bigger valves and everything else going in it!
Wiseco tracker series pistons which has a forged piston crown & armor guide skirts are 235.95 for either 9.5or 10&1/2 compression same money or tracker series for 106 cu in or 97 cu in for249.95 & 255.95 then bore & hone your cyclinders ! Most shops charge about 150 bucks for bore & hone gasket wise comerica MLS head gaskets pushrod prongs & rocker box gaskets is all you need !
It's always cheaper to have your original cylinders bored out, you do lose your over bore later for a rebuild though. But you'll get plenty of years and miles out of the bore job, Twin Cam cylinders are cheap when they aren't big bore cylinders.
@@GixxerFoo I have lots of 88 inch cyclinders on the shelf ! I won't pay more then 50 bucks for a set thanks to HD for their big bore cyclinders there's a bunch of stock cyclinders out there just yesterday I honed a set of 88 inch cyclinders to .010 over for the local Harley shop & that's the first one I have ever done but I do most of them to 95 or 103 !so I figure you don't lose anything with an over bore ! But that's just an opinion !
As always great information and food for thought...
Glad you think so! It's a good option out depending on your situation and what your looking to do.
Id rather drop in a S&S 110Ci than go out and purchase a new Hog! It makes perfect sense!
If I do go into my 96" in my Night Train, I'm certainly going to make it a 110, with some head work and a set of cams from Comp. It definitely won't be from Fuel Moto, it might be from S&S, or probably from T-Man Performance.
I did it even cheaper.
All I did on my 103 was take the heads off and sent to zippers for most mild cnc job they do. Called the 1.8 cnc. It gets a 1.850 intake valve &1.610 EX VALVE. 699$.
Then bolt it back together with.030 cometic head gasket. The head deck & gasket brought it up to 10.2:1 compression. 38$ for gaskets. Already had the Andrews 57h cams & power vision.
So for 737.00 $ doing it myself using the stock flat tops got 108 hp & 116 TQ. Not bad ?
👍 damn not bad at all! That's frickin awesome, l haven't gotten into decking heads and head gaskets yet. It's definently a great way to go!
Still the best info on RUclips
Twin power is a stand up company. I have used there products before and have tested one of their shocker batteries 👍👍 good advice
There's some awesome little companies out there that make quality products and don't charge an arm & leg.
My main priority is durability under good/decent performance demands… I’m a pretty mild soul, when it comes to riding style… so what I look for in kits and rebuilds, is getting it to LAAAST. Great info on kits. Thank you!
Well said! I like longevity and reliability too myself.
I’m working on 88tc motors, pretty much exclusively. I have a 2000 fxst that runs like a violated great simian… i just acquired a 2001 fxst for cheap from a friend… a twin to my runner… it only needs a little wiring and periphery and it’ll be a second runner. So that’s a basic stable. Two runners… once those are both up and solid, I’ll be acquiring an 88tc motor… it could be busted, but best for cheapest will be the opp i take. So I’ll work that motor on the benches over the winter, and get it solid… the first runner that takes a poop, I’ll do a straight swap! That’s my goal: total independence…
After that? Transmissions!
Thanks for your work!
The scariest part about putting a Big Bore Kit on my twin cam 88 is I don't trust the stock crank. I would definitely have to go with a new crank before any significant boost in power.
SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUES GOING UP TO 100 H/P. BEEN RUNNING a 97 H/P MOTOR 110 TQ for 14 YEARS NOW, ON MY 04 FATTY. NO ISSUES at ALL, and I USE this POWER FREQUENTLY. MY HARLEY MECHANIC SAID HE NEVER SAW ANY ROLLER BEARING FAILURES . JUST a LOT off FEAR MONGERING. OF COURSE HE ALSO SAID, IF YOUR GOING TO CLIMB UP INTO the HIGHER H/P RANGE, YES YOU SHOULD CHANGE OUT ROLLER BEARING to TIMKEN.
I got a budget kit with the Wiseco forged 10.5:1 Pistons. The jugs were 55 mile dealer takeoffs that were locally bored at a machine shop here in Amarillo Texas. I got it all for $700. Wet a little expensive on the feuling cam plate assembly and 543 Reaper conversion cams. Also got the Dynojet Power Vision to help tune.
That's awesome when you can find a deal like that, it saved some money to get that cam plate and cams! Upgrading the cam plate makes a huge difference with oiling on the bike!
Great info.thanks
Fuel Moto is the way I would like to go, but the v twin is an enticing idea. I need to check the cost of buying the pistons and rings, bring my cylinders to a reputable builder and make my own. I have a 2006 dyna with a 88.
Hey bro wish I had reason to watch your show but I,all keep hit thumbs up every Time I see hope helps a little hope you an your lady are good have great day
Hey I appreciate the support! How you been doing?
This sounds great and inexpensive Now we just a video with cam suggestion to make a complete build
Thanks
I've got some videos on the different cams between the displacements, the cam is really what makes the power and where. There's top end cams, low to mid range cams and even some good all around cams that do it all.
Doing the whole top and only in that shoe a small amount compared to other stuff you can do to get that same amount and more. I don’t think you need to go past the stage two if it’s done right. I’m at 79 horse and 115 foot pound of torque.with big air Thundermax programmer.full cobra exhaust
I want to go with the Big bore kit v twin power heaven on seven I have an 07 police edition Electra glide what cam would do the to build some good power and torque great videos very educational
thanks for the reply
Thanks for the video
Our pleasure!
Great job on posting this video. You always got great info and these are good budget kits. But I'm sold on the fuelmoto kits and wood cams. And if i can't find good harley mechanic in area; 575, I'm going to tackle this project myself
Keep them coming brother 🤙
FuelMoto is hard to beat, especially when they get you hooked up on the tuning and the service after the sale. It's really not hard to do yourself, especially with a Harley service manual. It's a step by step book, best manual I have ever seen.
You will not be disappointed by putting Wood 575 cams in your pretty much 10 hp and 10 ft lbs of torque gain
Hey man cool vid, wonders if you were going to do a vid on sportster 88" and 90" big bore kits
That's not a bad idea, the 88 and 90 Sportster kits are pretty surprising when you compare them to the 1250 and 1275 kits.
Love these videos. Wondering though, why don't you talk about just getting a set of pistons/rings and punching out your existing jugs? Can save even MORE money doing it this way. Plus you can use some great pistons.
Great point! Hammer Performance will do that really cheap compared to a kit. You lose any overbore on the cylinders but with the miles you'll get out of it that will pay for new jugs later on.
Hey GixxerFoo, appreciate all the info you put !!! I’m going with a Fuel Motto 110 big bore with woods777 D&D 2 -1 full system on 2016 road glide ultra. What can/should I expect??
You can make an 88" a 106" with a sns stroker crank and their jugs and heads....along with 635 gear drive cams...itll be a beast.
Love how quiet the twin cam is when still with chain. Think I’ve got leaky valve seal on front. But still runs so smooth.
Crap are you down on power any and losing some oil?
@@GixxerFoo
No sir, not from what I can tell. Maybe a little oil but not enough to notice yet. Wouldn’t even know it but for the plug. Recently bought it with 12k on it. Plug mildly fouls on base an just on a small portion of the insulator is blackened. , but nothing hindering starting, etc. now that I have reacquainted myself with a carburetor. And on carburetors, I don’t think I’d ever want fi again, at least on a heritage. Smoothest ride I’ve ever been on. I think it’s early stage wear on the seal, so one day, I figure I’ll buy up a complete gasket kit and get the tensioners as well. Im definitely budget minded and really love how quiet the engine is. I suspect that a gear drive cam might annoy me. Now don’t get me wrong, it’s got D&D fat 🐈 2-1 on it that sound loud and mean, but the engine is so quiet that pipes have freedom to be heard as they are meant to be! 😂
That D&D is a damn good pipe, it makes some power on a Harley! It definently sounds you have a valve seal. If it's running good and not causing a major problem l'd give her hell and just keep an eye on it. Unless your getting some blow by in that cylinder, but with 12k miles that shouldn't be happening. If it was a fuel injected bike l would be looking at the VE on that cylinder. Being carbed it's definently mechanically, unless there is some fluke by that cylinder getting more fuel.
@@GixxerFoo
Kevin Baxter did a fairly comprehensive video on plugs that made it clear to me that it at least involves a seal in the way white specks gather on the lower conductor. That differs from ring symptoms. Put me at ease cause that type of detail was hard finding. It’s 15-16 years old, and, as I tell my wife : it’s our Harley-Davidson. And we should expect for me to get to know it well. It’s a keeper for sure.
That's the best thing anyone can do is learn their bike. A lot of people never learn their machine and rely completely on the dealer.
88 to 95 fuel moto new cams n heads are good now for my deuce
I like your channel dude...
Thank you, I appreciate it! Glad to hear you're enjoying it!
Hey I know I'm 9 months behind the learning curve here, and I know this would be more money, but I would rather go with the bolt in Wood Cam and the Fuel Moto cam chest rebuild so-to-speak!! Cam plate oil pump lifters of course if you're putting cams in which would be the woods 222 that's what I'm leaning towards I know that's not what you asked!!It's at least a couple Grand Parts Only
The Wood cams produce some serious power that pretty much blows away the big bore kit power. You can get a cam chest done right with a wood and still be cheaper than a Screamin Eagle stage kit.
@@GixxerFoo it's pretty amazing what bolt in cams do now...
Thank you for this video; the last one you talked about is a real drop-in 110 kit with the thin spigots like the S&S and Screamin'eagle ones?
Yes, this kit is also a drop on 110 kit for a 96 or 103. It's just more budget friendly than the most inexpensive 110 kit in the last video.
I have a 2007 Electra Glide Standard coming up on 50k miles, for my stage 1 upgrade I went with S&S true dual headers, 4" Rhinehart pipes, Screaming Eagle air kit. What cam set would you go with for good get up and go from mid range to higher freeway speeds
My 103 with S&S 583 Cams , SE AirCleaner kit Vancen Hines Short Shot Pipes and FP3 Tuner pulled 95hp and 110TQ . So I really see No need for a big bore kit till its needs a rebuild some day .
Oh yeah your cam made all the difference right there, the 103 has enough displacement to where you see some really nice gains like that with just a cam swap. If you bumped the compression to 10.5:1 with the 103 displacement that horsepower would jump over 100 easily.
My opinion, if you are looking at budget kits to upgrade, the rest of your motor is not going to look new like the cylinders and they will be out of place. I'd rather have my cylinders bored and mailed back to me so it's like it never left the bike. I had Hammer Performance take my 88" to a 98" for about $600...
But is the cylinder as strong?
@@yoso585 Absolutely. There are tolerances to where you can hone out the cylinders.
Yes, twin cam cylinders can be over bored several times for a basic rebuild with corresponding pistons to match the bore. What Hammer does is bore to max allowable tolerance to get the 98", you lose any further over bore but you'll get years and say 100K miles out of the motor. It saves a lot of money over buying big bore cyclinders.
Hammer does awesome work, and that's not a bad deal at all for $600. Since Hammer did it you know it was done right!
@@harleydave2316 curious as to how you decided to deal with the tensioner situation?
My stock roadking with reaper 525 cams is making around 84hp and 100tq last time it was dynod. Im really looking at these 95" kits for that little extra
Yessir 525s how liking them
@@brianmestaz8855 they are great all around. Definitely a workhorse set of cams where they work all through the bands. I like them a lot. No sudden come on, drop off. Plenty of power and torque.
The 525 have a useful flat/quiet spot at 2250 in my 88. Cruising gently with Vance and Hines straight shots the noise levels are bearable.
It gets way louder than stock under load.
Do I need more anything in a D chassis? I'd say it's already more than enough.
Then there's how heavy do you want your clutch after a few hours.
@@theodavies8754 yes I like the quiet spot. I’ve set off car alarms with my true duals w/ slip ons. Some intentionally some just starting the bike and giving it a quick rev (use to my old dyna needing to feed on start and still getting use to fuel injection) but at that sweet spot it helps keep the drone down
Your videos are very easy to follow, and good info.. I had looked into big bore upgrades, but Im not an FWO rider, and want longevity with my TC88. Ive only got 11k on it and the S&S 509g complete camchest upgrade is being finished up in 3 days. That should make it bulletproof ! If I get a wild hair, my mechanic wants to stick an S&S 131ci in it, and call it a day. lol The TC88 w/ 509g dyno sheets I saw, were absolutely righteous, for my riding style. Im an average sized guy, and think this bike is my keeper. Ive had a honda and 4 Harleys before this bike on the street, and 6 dirt bikes, before that. Its time to just enjoy riding.
That 509 with the cam chest upgraded is perfect on an 88, that motor will run forever like that. The 509 really produces some big torque in the 88!
@@GixxerFoo Im feeling like a kid at Christmas for sure. My tech was at shop, late last night pressing cams and doing bearings, so less work tomorrow. Tuning will be quick. Will have video soon .
That's awesome you got a guy that will burn the midnight oil to get you up and running! Let me know when you get that video up!
@@GixxerFoo Hello sir.. Havent got video yet, however I just got it back home.. We did lots of maintenance as well. Brake flush/clutch cable lube/general tightening/a few new chrome covers/ fresh oil-obviously/tuning. Engine is quieter than expected internally, however a nice little lope. Ass Dyno says "NICE" !!
Hell yeah that's awesome! The ass dyno is really all that matters at the end of the day.
I just did a 88" to 95." Flat top Harley pistons. I believe 9.3 comp. I put in S&S 509 cams. .030 head gaskets, stock heads, and a tune. I'm at 76hp. 92ft# torque. How much compression can I run with the 509 cams? I like the performance gains I have now, but I feel now I should have went with higher compression pistons. Possibly boring to 98" I am definitely running cooler oil temps now and average 45mpg. Thanks for your input. I appreciate your knowledge.
I appreciate the support! You can run upwards of 10:1 on the 509, it will do pretty good there.
I have a 96” with 60,000 miles. It runs strong and I’m happy with it at stage one for the type of riding I do. Would it be smart to add a lot of power and compression to a motor with my miles? Also, would a 103 kit extend the life of my motor?
Harley Davidson motorcycles are to labor intensive. The engine by Victory motorcycles owned by Polaris was mid the best air cooled engine produced.
That was a really good motor, it's a shame it was discontinued. They really had some transmission issues first few years of the Victory, but after that they were very solid.
Ever do any videos on clutches? I’m fixing to put a Rekluse auto clutch in my FLHTK.
ruclips.net/video/zYqx5BGvMW8/видео.html, I did and the Rekluse is the most expensive one out there. It's also my vote for the best clutch you can get, just not everyone puts the money into it like your have 👍.
I’ve been thinking about the big bore kit in my 96 but I have buddies telling me I’ll need to upgrade the crank if I do. Any thoughts on that?
when its time to freashen up my 103 ill hone the cylinders mach the rings, lap the valves and put it back together. chances are though itll need bottom end work too and i won't be trueing and balancing my flywheels or crank. that'll be where i spend my money.
Generally that's all those motors need instead of a full rebuild to freshen up the top end!
I think I'd put a bit more money into it, sounds like V-Twin 103 complete conversion gives the the best for the price
You can really get some power out of the 103 displacement with 10.5:1 compression and some good cams. The 110 displacement really kinda just becomes bragging when the 103 numbers match it.
@@GixxerFoo Well, it's all about the brag sometimes
👍 thatbus very true, sometimes those bigninches are worth it.
@@GixxerFoo I’m gonna do all I can with my 103”. I know you don’t have to have big inches to have a fast bike. I built a Stage 3, 103” FXDXT once that screamed! I had kB pistons in it, of course.
Can or have you done a video on fully big bore kits
Yeah ; love making things better ; but when big money comes into it ; turns my stomach ; ruins the fun - 😁✊👌
Harley making and selling $3000 e bicycles. Now - new green deal 😁
Well if I do big bore it will be 10.5 to 1 for sure .
I want to go 100 inch on my 88 but don’t believe it worth extra dollars for 100 “ vs 95 “.
Well my buddy the hd mechanic bought a drag specialties tire tube . He thought he pinched tube putting it in . I brought him a patch . We aired it up . Leak again - thought patch bad . Turned out brand new tube split at seam . Stay away from cheap crap !!!-
Man thanks fer doing all the studying in bore kits !!!-
😄😂 yeah those new bicycles... I just had to shake my head on that one. Honestly a 95 with the right cam is going to produce power right there with a 100 inch kit. Twin Cam engines love compression, 10.5:1 is a big power jump and it's still streetable without knocking on pump gas. I can't believe a new tube from Drag Specialties would be leaking a the seam like that. They are supposed to be somewhat of a decent brand.
@@GixxerFoo many thanks for second opinion ; hd mechanic says he will bore my cylinders so all I need is pistons rings gaskets . So that’s even on the cheaper . He ended up getting a heavy duty tube. . Problem solved -
Well sounds like a good winter project. Many 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 for all your info and efforts. 👍🏻👌
Not a problem at, sounds like you have a hell of a deal worked out. Your mechanic sounds like he is doing right on the deal!
@@GixxerFoo I call him boring bob 😁. He’s done too many to count. Also 124 “ engines. Always nice to have a retired hd mechanic in the hood !!!- 😁✊👍🏻👌
Hell yeah! You can't beat having someone like that around!
Sounds like a good deal
It's really not bad at all for drop on kit, of course having your cylinders bored is cheaper but it's a lot more work.
I have 95cdi flat top pistons and se 203 cams with 5000 miles on them I'll get rid of for 250.00 plus shipping. I spun my flywheels and did complete rebuild and went domed pistons and Andrews tw60a cams screaming eagle ported heads and intake mikuni 45mm and darkhorse crank. Any way not about my build but to save you a few bucks bore your cylinders and save 500.00
That's really a heck of a deal when you put that together with a cylinder bore.
@@GixxerFoo 95ci flat top pistons from screaming eagle 350 screaming eagle 203 cams 350 that's 700. These are like new with o ly 5000 miles on them.
Damn that's nothing on those parts, those are barely broke in with 5k.
Darkhorse rocks!
I just picked up a 2007 Softail custom with 11.000 miles. Does this have cam chain tensioners? Does this need a better oiling system like the 88's did? My goal is to put a set of Good Wood cams in. Then try a 110 upper kit a few years later. Open to suggestions. I like them to pull hard from take off
The 2007 has the updated hydraulic tensioners so no worries there, the 2007's have a compensator that can be an issue. They basically took the compensator from the 88 and carried it over to the 96 which has been know to fail. When you go with a new cam or any upgrades you'd benefit from a cam plate and high volume oil pump while you're in there with the new cam.
That's what I'm talking about (Budget Friendly). Nice video, I have a 96 twin cam w/6 speed off a wreck with 15xxx miles and very interested in all things twin cam. I've had three Harley's in the last couple of years a 107 low rider a 114 fxdr and a road glide, I traded 2 and sold one. My recent bike is a 2012 dyna wide glide 103 driving it more than all three of the others. I guess twin cams are my thing now. I like the cams video on the twin cams. I have that 96 sitting on a crate and I'm scrounging parts for it. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
I like the Twin Cams myself over the M8, the M8 is great and powerful but I like the two valve TC. The price has really come down on them and parts are plentiful, so you have a 96 just engine and trans? It's low miles and you could really spend some time working on it since it's no in a bike. Drop a 110 with some compression and some good cams in that motor.
@@GixxerFoo YES that sounds great. I go back and reference your videos frequently. I'm not sure what frame I can mount the engine in. For me less is more meaning no bagger. Hopefully in the future you might build a bike on these principles, budget friendly, why you picked a frame, should you use a wrecked bike (all the wiring , gauges, brakes rims might be there). Not that your busy making/editing video plus living your life ect. I look forward to your videos and again thank you.
I am not a bagger guy myself either, more of a Sportster/Dyna guy. If l travel l can load one of those out and roll. Hell even if you find a bike with a blown up motor for pennies, throw that built motor in there. I like finding a clean bike with a locked up motor, especially if you have one ready to go.
Do I need to counterbore my 96' crankcase to fit the 110' big bore cylinders, or do they just drop on as is?
The bolt on big bore kits will fit right onto the 96, now Harley factory 110 cylinders won't drop onto a 103 or 96. But the 96 and 103 have the same case bore so bolt on 110 kits will fit, those kits have thinner cylinder spigots made with higher tensile strength material.
High compression is nice but it always comes at a price on your starter and bearings.
What would be good cam for 01 cvo 95 inch screamin eagle already di chest upgrade?
Great video, thanks. All looks great, but what about the valve springs for each of these? Do you think the stock ones already in each type of heads are good as is with these bigger bores? Or does that really depend on the cam used?
The valve springs are dependent on the cam you're using. You can run a performance cam that will work with the stock valve springs even with these big bore kits. You can run a big bore kit with the stock heads and cams, but the stock cams are really going to hold it back. You'll get some gain but not nearly what you would with a aftermarket cam swap, even with one that works with the stock heads and valve springs.
@@GixxerFoo thanks for the response. Always good info.
Not a problem at all, thank you!
Great video. Struggling with doing a drop on 110. Heard things all over the board about them one way or the other. How necessary is it then to upgrade the oil pump? And then I worry about the bottom end. I got my 103 running perfect. Just not sure how far I need to go once I do a drop in 110. Reliability is big for me. Thanks
Any updates?
@@formidablefragment3433 I've not done a thing to the engine. I did all the preliminary work on what I would need to do and the cost. Came down to just this: It runs so good, 0 problems and I just don't want to mess up something I already did a great job on. Still got a few years left on this engine set up before I need to do something. I'll X that bridge then. As of now, super happy every time if fire her up and run off. Thanks for asking.
Just got a quote for a 98" big bore kit for my 88tc from two different shops. One shop was $4900 and the other gave me 2 quotes, $4700 and $5200. $5200 was with head work, but gd that seems pricey? Neither included new jugs, they were reusing mine.
Dang does that include labor too? That seems really high for just getting a big bore setup done on a 88.
@@GixxerFoo yes labor included. S&S cam tensioner upgrade, cams, headwork
@@GixxerFoo labor was $1300 at one shop and $1500 at the other.
Is it me or did you forget to tell the price of the 110" kit?
The 110 kit runs about 900 bucks, it's gone up some.
That’s cool😎
It's not a bad alternative for performance or just a straight rebuild.
I've got a 2014 Slim with a 110 big bore kit. Cyclerama 570 cam and Power Vision. What are normal operating temps for oil and cylinder temps. For reference, I am seeing 220-230 oil temp and 270-295 cylinder head temps. I start getting squeamish when I see cyl head temps in the high 200s but is this fairly normal?
That's actually normal for a twin cam, you can add a oil cooler and that will bring those temperatures down quite a bit.
I want to close the engine with the new guns. to assemble the engine I need a workshop shop. to see how much I need to tighten the bolts and screws on the cylinder and cylinder head
this engine is mounted on INDIAN CHIEF 2000
hello. I am from Albania. I have an S & S engine (No. A09872) from 2000. I am looking for a catalog for installation instructions. can you suggest me where to look?
With these kits, do you need to change the fuel config with a tuner? Or are all the numbers you are talking about is keeping everything else as is and just changing the bore? I ask because I assume once you change the cam you are needing to spend on a tuner too.
Great videos, love the way you explain things.
Yes you will definitely need a tune after installing something like this. This is why lots of people buy thru Fuel Moto. They will write you a tune for free if you buy their setups and tuners.
@@gdubbsmotolife9713 That is what I figured, but wanted to be sure because the numbers are shown, but that little extra detail isn't talked about. Thanks.
We appreciate the support over here, yes you will have to have it tuned properly after all the work.
That's exactly what I was gonna say myself!
On those dyno charts I wanted something representing a basic conversion with mild or stock cams. The numbers on the charts are with the Screamin Eagle mufflers (basically stock mufflers) and the Screamin Eagle Street Tuner. So with a quality performance exhaust and say a Power Vision tune, you can get quite a bit more out of these kits.
How much is the 110 kit you made the highlight of the video?? You gave exact figures on every kit except the 110 at the end
The 110 kit runs about 900 dollars give or take just depends where you order from. I believe Dennis Kirk sells them for under 900 bucks.
Dennis kirk doesn't show any twin power OR v twin manufacturing kits and jp Cycles only has 95" kits.
Twin power's website doesn't show any kits either.
Question? I have a 02 softail band new it had a 1550 kit put in it lm going to upgrade the cam tentioners thinking about a set of cams 30000 miles on the bike what do you think
You'll be fine with that top end upgrade, you've got the solid crank and bottom end on that bike!
inherited a 03 FXSTS. After hearing horror stories about grenaded tensioners, I'd like to go gear driven. How much is reasonable to have a shop install?
The gear set is expensive and you'll have to check the shaft run out, it's going to have to be .002 or less. It's about a 4 to 5 hour job with a labor rate of up to $100 an hour at a shop, this is just ballpark figures though. Just make sure you check the shaft run out before ordering a gear driven cam set. That way if you're out of spec your not stuck with a cam set you can't use or you have to tear down the entire motor to have your crank redone. A great alternative is upgrading the the hydraulic tensioners, it's a lot cheaper and you don't have to worry about shaft run out.
Well good morning Gixxerfoo, this is where I'm at after alRedy going through 2 sets of cylinders and pistons , I need to know which topend kit will work with 4 3/8" stroke. I also noted that evrywhere except MY engine has moly coated skirts, I'm still wondering why both topends "HE" put on DIDN"T have any coating on skirts, which have been seizing?? Love your videos.....PEACE!
OH yeah my S&S caplate and High volumn oil pump will be here Mon...Whoop Whoop
That's interesting, unless he was installing some cheaper pistons they should have a coating on the skirt. Any kit should work with the longer stroke, that would just increase the overall bore and stroke.
That's gonna be awesome with those installed!
@@GixxerFoo Carrillo pistons he's a top fuel guy harley drags maybe 60 second running times!!! LOL
@@GixxerFoo OH yeah my fogger nozzle is smaller than 1/8" pipe thread do you have any insight on what size I need to drill and tap???
Just saying to all watching if you go aftermarket cams check out Andrews and woods cams. Your wont regret it.
They are two of my favorite cams out there. Andrews makes the cams for Wood, they are just ground to Bob Wood's specs.
@@GixxerFoo yes sir but alot of people dont realize this. I'm a fan my bike is stomping 114ci like they were evos lmao
@@GixxerFoo I cant figure out how to put a picture on here or I would sent you one of my bike the locals call screaming demon
One of your recent videos you said I could get about the same hp and Torq out of my 103 with s&s 570 or wood 555 cams. And that’s much cheaper and easier. Unless I’m remembering wrong.
Yes, a cam swap is the absolute best bang for the buck. Especially with a 103, a 103 with the right cam will produce close to 100 horsepower even with the stock compression. Now if you take a 103 and 10.5:1 compression with a cam, power will jump to well over 100 horsepower.
If you are going to rebuild an engine to extend it's life and bring it back... I can see no downside to refreshing the parts with these kits.
It's a nice little option to save some cash on a rebuild, add a little power while you're at it.
How much torque and horse power do you think I could get with a TW 222 cam?
A 222 just bolted into a 96 or a 103 gets about mid 90's on horsepower and just over 100ft lbs of torque.
guys whats the link for the 88 upgrade kits , cannot find it on the website ..cheers
I’m looking at taking my 103 and brining it to a 107. Is a big bore kit worth it? I’m also doing cams the s&s 570. How much horse can I expect going to a 107?
Really depends on your heads and compression you're looking at. A 107 with mild compression and the 570 c should put you up around 100.
These budget kits are fine if you're looking for a little more power but why would you tear down the motor and not replace the cam? If it's your bike and you intend on keeping it, swap out the cam!
Just a cam swap would net you more gain than adding a big bore kit with the stock cams. A 96 with a Wood TW-222 cam, exhaust and tune can make close to 100hp. Honestly a big bore kit is a waste of money unless you change the stock cams out.
@@GixxerFoo
Got to be able to feed the beast!
😆😂👍 that's a fact!
I had a guy offer me cyclinders, heads, pistons,intake from a 103, will it work on an 88”? Dealership says the stroke is too different
The stroke on the 88 is shorter than the 103. The 88 has a 4 in stroke and the 103 has a 4.38 inch stroke. It would work if you were willing to swap for a stroker crank in your 88.
I'd get S&S or similar for the extra money.
Not a bad idea at all, it's more money but you know you're getting a quality product. These kits have Wiesco pistons and rings but they cylinders are of "foreign origin" is what they state.
I’ve got a 2002 softail deuce fuel injected with 40k and my question is being that cheap how good of quality are they and how long will they last?
The cylinders are imported but they do use Wiesco pistons, I've seen some older Evo's rebuilt with those top ends and they've been solid.
Right on brother! Thanks for the response
Can I take stock cylinders from a 103 and put them on my 88 fatboy
Wish my dealer didn’t overcharge so much for labor. I feel like I could knock it out myself but it would be a first for me for sure.
It's really not that bad if you have a Harley factory service manual. They are literally step by step and tell you exactly what tools you need. They even have the torque spec for every single nut and bolt.
Thanks fellas. Think I’ll give it a shot. There’s nothing that can’t be fixed or replaced I suppose.
I built my 95"B from scratch and it runs pretty damn good... don't sell yourself short, you CAN do it!
That's what l always say!
RUclips Videos are your friend. I am sure someone has posted their builds step by step just like the EVO 1275 kits.
Get a zippers 110 kit
I have a quick question, I purchased an 02 Heritage with the twin cam 88 earlier this year. Found out that the heads have been shaved and 510 cams installed. I was able to locate the shop that did the work, and found out it’s a Giddy Up Go kit. Would love to know if you have info
I believe l have seen a shop on Facebook advertising a kit by that name. I am not sure if it's the same shop but it's a inhouse package they put together. Like you said mild head head work paired with a nice cam. It does perform very well!
GixxerFoo not sure about the Facebook ad, I am here in Oklahoma. I have to admit the bike runs great and runs strong.. Quick question, so what does a 510 cam do?. Thank you for the videos I really enjoy them and they’re very informative
Hell l am here in Oklahoma too, might explain why l saw the ad 😆🤷♂️. The 510 cam gives you some more rev range, it's a bolt in cam but with the head job in that kit it bumps the compression ratio. Which is awesome for a twin cam because they love compression. That cam comes on with a bone stock at about 3k rpm and peaks about 5500. They are definently making the power they advertise.
GixxerFoo are you out around Guthrie?? The shop I’m referring to is in Collinsville.. bottoms up chop shop
😆 l am, l have heard of them. They get referred a lot of Facebook.
Can you reuse heads if you were 103 going to 103 stock?
Yeah you can reuse your heads, I would recommend cleaning the up and depending how many miles are on them maybe having the gone through.
Hey man, I have a 96 ci 2010 Road glide. It has Andrew’s 26h cams in it. True dual Vance and Hines. What’s the kit I would need to add ?
You could go with the 103 or 110 kit and bolt it right on with those cams.
@@GixxerFoo right now it is pushing 84 Hp and 102 lb torque. What do you think it would go too ?
With a 103 l'd say mid 90's for horsepower and closer to 115 torque. With a 110 l'd say you be a bit over 100 horse and about 120 on the torque. All depends on your tuning as well.
@@GixxerFoo you think you can send the link for for the 110?
vtwin.parts/harley-davidson-indian-motorcycle-v-twin-110-ci-cylinder-kit-black-11-1523 this is one seller of the Vtwin Manufacturing kit. 11-1523 is the part number.
Question, I have 2000 Road king, It has been sitting for four years, Im wanting to rebuild but Im not power, just a smooth ride. Im 50 pluss, what would be good, low cost kit for my bike?
Are you looking to just freshen up the top end and go back all stock or a complete crank up rebuild?
@@GixxerFoo i´m wanting to go back stock.
Going back stock and you can get cylinders from Drag specialties, they run about $200 each and a piston kit from Wiesco would be about $200 or so. That's about the same price as a 95 inch drop on kit from Vtwin Mfg.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you, I will look at the 95 drop in too. Great information, Thanks
Not a problem, anytime!
Better to bore your cylinders to your new pistons vs buying a kit . The kit are not matched to each other , they do work but not as good.
worried about the 110 cyl. cracking on bottom what do you think ?
jerry
They really don't have any cylinder spigot issues as they are cast with a extremely high tensile strength to make up for the thinner spigot. Hammer does the same thing with their 1275 sport kit.
@@GixxerFoo thanks, im going to try a set with the cams you told me about.
You might find a set of cams is more than enough, a good aftermarket cam produces some serious power.
Buy once, cry once. Don’t forget about the cost to have it tuned once the work is done.
😄🤔👍 that's some damn good advice. All work is for nothing if you don't get a proper tune, you'll leave all kinds of power on the table without a good dyno tune.
Can't find these kits on the twin power website.
I made this video a while back, l'll consume checking today and see if l can find them for you.
What company makes the last kit
These are made by VTwin Manidacturing.
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engine is evo
How much was the 110 kit
It retails for about $850