Why You Should Consider a Harley-Davidson with a Twin Cam 96
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- It's no secret that new Harley-Davidson prices are absolutely ridiculous, but the Twin Cam 96 offers a great solution. Harley's don't change dramatically year to year except when they introduce a new engine like the M8. So buying a Twin Cam 96 can be a great option, if you're willing to put a little money into the motor you can produce power in line with today's bikes. Dynas, Softails and all the Touring Models are available with a Twin Cam 96. If your in the market for a Street Glide, Road Gilde, Ultra Classic, Dyna Low Rider, Dyna Street Bob, Dyna Fat Bob, Softail Slim or Fatboy just to name a few, you can get it with Twin Cam 96 and make it what you want for thousands less than new.
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Would you buy a used bike and upgrade it or just buy a new one??
10000 miles I wouldn't be afraid to put 5g in the motor
You would still be under the price of a new one too!
In Norway you can buy a good used hd for 10000$ and a new one cost 25000 to 50000$ so I can put 15 to 40 into my dream bike and it will be special with better suspension more horsepower to handle the twisty roads so yes I would buy a used bike plus Harley don't make fxr any more 😉😁
Damn Harley is expensive as it is, they go for way more over there! That's the way to do it, get an older one and make it nicer than a new one cheaper!
Used you do save money.but do yourself a favor and try to find on that absolutely no power enhancing parts have been put on .because if it has loud pipes racing intake high flow air cleaner etc etc it's a good chance its had the shit ran out of it even if it has low miles and is shiney as a new penny.try to buy stock unmodified bike from an individual so you might guage from their personality and mannerism how they more than likely treated the bike.if they brag on how it burns the tires or how far they can ride the back tire my advice is dont buy it.if they carefully start it and let it idle for you and modestly twist the gas to show you engine smoothness. And just speak of riding experience .it will probably be ok bike.but check the oil to make sure it isnt milky from just being started periodically and not allowed to fully warm up...lol ok I'll shut up now
I just got a 2011 dyna wide glide with the 96 used with 16k miles. First Harley ever and I road over 200 miles today and it was great
That's awesome! You've got a later year too, they got the compensator issue worked out on those. The 07 to 09 models had a bad compensator design, it worked but it would eventually fail. Congratulations on your first Harley!
Dare you to put one more can on that shelf behind your head!
😆😂 l am not a gambler.
Sure you are! Look at your shelf! 😂😂
That shelf has just become a conversation piece 😆😂🤷♂️
@@GixxerFoo look what i started! The shelf of doom!
😆👍 l never thought there would be a thread started about a shelf l threw together in a couple minutes out scrap l had laying around. I can't change it now 😂.
A H/D dealer once told me that 90% of all Harley Davidson motorcycles manufactured since 1972, are still on the road...
The others made it home. 🤣
😆😂 l remember years ago going some big rides and the Harleys would "expire", needless to say the group was a lot smaller at the destination.
My first Harley was manufactured in 1968 I bought in 1979 and did a complete top end and lower end upgrade in 1983 .two months ago I was shown my old bike by its new owners as it still has the same engine as it did the day I restored it some 37 years ago ..and the owner ask me what the hell I did to the engine as he said its pretty damn fast ...
@@imapiledriver2462 what is pretty damn funny is the fact the most ridden and owned bikes in Japan are Harley Davidson's ..the Japanese don't ride what they sell to you and laugh at Americans for buying Japanese motorcycles ..they have a big ride once a year in Japan of over 175,000 members who all ride Harley Davidson motorcycles ..and this is just one of their clubs of many more all riding Harleys ..you tube Harley Davidson's in Japan and watch as it will take you days and weeks to see ..as they have a line of motorcycles called TRIJYA ..AS the Japanese buy thousandsbof new Harleys ..give them a custom face lift with all Trijya badging and are selling them back to us on the west coast at new Trijya dealerships ..
Damn that's awesome! Still in good shape l hope! Every one of my old bikes l came across weren't in the best shape.
It's crazy how big Harley is over there. They love those bikes, hell Harley has one in the museum from Japan that washed up from the tsunami.
Thank you for the video and the inspiration!
I'm on my second big twin Harley now, an '05 Dyna Wide Glide that we paid cash for last year for $5300.00. It has the Twin Cam 88 FI engine. The first one was an '06 Dyna Wide Glide that I bought in '08 and financed through HD, the payments were brutal on that one but I do miss the 6 spd trans, the wider rear tire, the smoother shifting and the slightly more raked front end oh and the reduced effort factory installed clutch.
Since we paid cash last year I've already upgraded to a reduced effort clutch kit, new polished stainless front and rear rotor with new ceramic pads, new handmade saddlebags and front tool bag. I also bought two windshields for it, a full size Harley-Davidson windshield and a sportier Windvest windshield.
We're debating on which upgrades or custom grades we want to go with on it this coming income tax time. We either want to go with a wide rear tire kit, maybe up to the 250 kit or a big bore sidewinder power package from S&S complete with big bore cylinders, pistons, rings, pushrods, forged camplate with new high performance oil pump and chain drive cams. I'd like to run cam gears instead of chain but I doubt it's very feasible from what I hear with a stock Harley-Davidson Twin Cam crankshaft, the crank pinion runout has to be .003 or less and I don't believe stock Harley crankshafts are usually in that tolerance range or stay there over time. Anyway, it'll be something we do next year and then maybe the year after I'll install the Baker 6 spd builder transmission gears into our 5 spd case.
Sounds like you have one heck of a plan lined up, it's a lot easier to do all that without a bike payment. That's the beauty of those bikes, you can make them so much nicer than a new one and it's all paid for. Have you looked in to the Screamin Eagle cam plate with the hydraulic tensioner and high volume oil pump for the 88? It's a good alternative to the gear drives, it's hard to be within that tight tolerance to install them.
@@GixxerFoo No I haven't really looked into the Screamin Eagle kit, I've seen quite a few videos about the S&S forged camplate kit with oil pump and S&S cams. They have so much praise that I haven't really looked at many, they have the heavy duty bronze bushings installed where the cams ride where so many others just have the aluminum machined into a bearing. The S&S kit seems to be a really good quality kit but I'll check the other one out.
@@GixxerFoo And I forgot that we had brand new Shinko wide white wall tires put on about a week after we got it. I know a lot of people frown upon these Chinese tires but I can't say enough good about them so far. They have a good looking tread pattern and they're sticky, they hug the road well. I got the heavy duty tires because I ride two up usually. I can't say much about the tread longevity yet because I've only put a little over 1000 miles on them so far but no complaints yet.
The looks of this bike is what really won us over, it is Glacier Pearl white with silver trim and so much chrome was added if you're into that. It has 14" apes with Goodridge braided lines and hoses. The '06 was pretty much factory stock.
Someone took really good care of it, it still looks and rides like new.
I'd go with the S&S if you can but if shaft run out prevents it the Screamin Eagle is a much better alternative to the spring loaded tensioner.
@@GixxerFoo The S&S kit has hydraulic cam chain tensioners already and you can run cam gears or chain, whichever you want...
Like Homer Simpson says, "Shut up and take my Money!" Great video thanks.
😆😂 l like the Simpsons, thank you and l appreciate you watching.
Compensator issues & the effects on primary really needs to be mentioned.
Best thing to do is replace it with an aftermarket or at least the Screamin Eagle. Don't go back with stock or it will happen again.
I have an 07 heritage with the 96. I could tell my spring loaded compensator was about to go out. It'll make a very distinct sound when you start it. I bought one of the solid state compensators for $130 and had it installed for $120. Once you get a solid state, you'll never worry about your compensator again.
That's the way to go, you buy a high dollar compensator and it will eventually fail too.
What is the best replacement for a 94 evo motor when it comes to replacement or rebuild?
If you can swing it S&S makes some nice Evo motors, one is 111 cubic inch. But there's a lot of good quality kits to rebuild an Evo out there.
My 96 with 585 cams 89 horse at 91fp pipes dynojet air cleaner
Damn that's some good numbers, did you get a dyno tune done?
Yes dyno tune 500.oo . Dynojet tuner 600.oo
My 08 has 14.000 miles 585 S&S cams air cleaner dynojet power series and its been tuned on dyno . Hush pipes. For sale 8g
That's some solid power and low miles at the right price.
Nothin sweeter than a 80” Evo fitted with a EV46 Andrews cam mikuni 42Carb V&H Pipes
That's a setup, those bikes sound so good and you can't replicate that sound even with a carb twin cam.
Fuck yeah 100% mate
I keep on reading Evo 80 is bulletproof whereas TC88 (1999-2007) has spring chain guide issues
Milwaukee 8 still has unsolved issues so stay away from 2017+
Might go look at ones before 1998
@@250gtskyline5 do it mate. I Have a twin cam also, still a great bike, but if I had to keep one for sheer feel good factor and riding experience I’d pick my evo. They’ve got a rough edge that’s been engineered out of modern bikes, however at they just feel like a Harley should to me.
I like my lil ol 80in evo
That's an awesome motor, they will chug along all day every day forever.
I am hoping you don't know this from experience...
@dan winright Damn you rebuilt it to last for sure!
I've never paid more than 6k for a Harley. My last one was a 2002 Dyna Wide glide with the 88 motor. Fantastic bike and more than enough power for me! I actually felt like the shorter stroke 88 motor was more peppy than the 96. It would really rip ! I'd never buy a new Harley for 20k when you can get used ones for under half that. Most sit in a garage with low miles. You don't need a new 114 to make power when you can throw a kit on a old twin cam
That's my thoughts exactly! You can spend a quarter of new and build you a monster twin cam and still be under the retail price of those new bikes.
Be very careful with older 88s, even with low mileage. I had 12k on my 2002 Low Rider and within a year it needed a stator (as they are prone to lose from overheating) , swing arm bearing, and of course the cam chain tensioners will need doing very soon.
If I had to do it again, I’d spend the extra money and buy a 96 with very low mileage and in immaculate shape. Because I’ve spent $4000 on repairs in just a year
Any used bike l go over really well, hell even anything new these days needs gone over with a wrench.
You could be right that most sit in the garage with low miles, but most bikes offered for sale have at least 30K miles and if well cared for are commanding top dollar.
@@jordanblair5410 Yup! That's why I'm expanding my search to TCs rather than only EVOs.
I just got a 2012 super glide custom with the 96 . I absolutely love it.
Those are some awesome bikes! Do you plan on upgrading your engine or keeping it a 96?
The 96 is my favourite H-D motor.
Does everything I want & runs cooler than bigger inch motors.
I highly recommend it.
I work with a guy that a 96 in his Street Glide, it runs great and like you said it's not nearly as hot s the bigger motors.
@@GixxerFoo I was told by a. co work of our local 725 I.b.e.w. back in 1992 when monster motors were first avalible and becoming popular with construction workers who could afford them .. The best balance and rpm was engines at 100 cubic inch ...engine cases and fly wheels have not grown to keep up with heavier and bigger rods and pistons ..you only have so much real estate on the fly wheels to drill out to change and re balance your rotating assembly as around 100 cubic inch in general is the maximum displacement evo a person should build to and still retain a smooth balanced assemble that can be balance at Precision balance of Indianapolis who do one hell of a job..that knowing this fact ..I have spent enormous amounts of cash paying Stil build screaming eagle stage four kits and more beyond that ..the best i done was 120 HP 117 that was not all
that smooth ...I have been at this HP game with new Harley's going on 7 years now ..in that time being abscessed for more info ..I came across a review for a two in one supertrapp at revzilla ...as i t was a 9 6 inch twin can with the supertrapp and a tune made 130rwhp ..I didn't even bother to find the torque as this dude made 10 more HP .for less that $1500 to my 120 hp that cost me $8000 ...I done all the calculations for displacement last night and came up with a 99.3 cubic inch evo with a 3 1/2 inch stroke and a 4 1/4 inch bore ..if S&S makes evo cases to accept jugs that big ....and if they. Still build custom crankshaft fly wheels
If you read my comment basically what I was saying a man at revzilla installed a two into one supertrapp with a ecu tune on a 96 inch twin can and made 130 rwhp vs my 117 inch twin cam that made 120 rwhp. ...and at 60 to 80 thousand it is crucial that we change out the am chain before anything should happen ..and the overkill on that is fueling billet can plate and an S&S gear drive cams ..total price right at $3k ..but fixed for ever problem salvoled as all parts in question are all replaced with gear drive .. Never to have to do it again
@@donniebaker5984 i know this is a year old, but youre smoking rocks... 130 to the tire off a tc96 with a 2-1 and powervision/tts/pcv etc is absolutely 100% completely idiotic to even claim. i WILL say that its almost similar to the silicon lottery when buying a twinny 88-96ci scooter, ive had bikes in my shop with simple WWW upgrades (wannabe weekend warrior) like the tried and NOT true vance and hines sh*t shots, tried and somewhat true Ness's Big Sucker intake and barely get the stock numbers bcuz of the horrid exhaust.. but the exhaust removed and adding an entry level 2-1 like the danmoto highwayman, ive tuned 6 total and 2 busted the 90 torque range, the best numbers being 76 horsepower 92 torque! so your telling me a SUPERTRAPP 2-1 has the ability to add 60 something horsepower? to the already gained numbers?? your either inhaling exhaust fumes, or youre talking about a subject you (and millions others admittedly) have ZERO knowledge on, let alone talking about it to others and thats TUNING/AFTERMARKET UPGRADES!!! ppl are already scared to auto-tune their scooters with simple fool proof closed loop tuning on the powervision, fuel pak FP3, and dont understand why their bike still runs like crap, or they dont realize that their narrowband O2 senors only read 14.2-15.0 to 1 AFR's so unless their cruising, the autotune isnt touching crap else to do with the WOT range.. just trying to get THAT point across and tell someone that if they purchase at minimum a STAGE 1 their BEST BET is STILL going to a trusted dyno guy vs auto tuning yourself at home, not adjusting any parameters like lowering the minimum MAP value so it doesnt "over tune" certain parts of the table....
LONG STORY SHORT, DO YOU SEE HOW COMPLICATED THIS ONE SINGLE MESSAGE IS FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON?? i made it this long ON PURPOSE because of the extensive research needed just to get your foot into the door of trying to understand this world thats highly unspoken about bcuz alot of riders are scared to ask for help so they dint get made fun of.. so they DEFINITELY dont need tools like you throwing even more FAKE STATISTICS in their way!!!
now hopefully a year later your smarter than you were when you wrote this and can see the idiocrary in your comment
My 96 is also very smooth running
I like the older Harleys with the twin cams, and evos better than the M8. I know the M8 motor has more power but I do not think they sound as good. There is a speed limit and you can only go so fast. If you have an 80 inch evo and you get 75 hp even that will be enough power for good throttle response and passing, etc. You can get that with a good exhaust, an air cleaner, jet kit, and an Andrew's cam. On the TC 85 = 90 hp is a good goal to do the same. The 96 inch only produces about 5 more hp than the 88, and it has a longer stroke, so the 88 can feel more peppy. What's good about the 96" is the cam chain problem on the 88 is eliminated, and more torque, and it can be bored out to 107 inch motor. I like restoring older things, we live in a throw away society sadly.
I love my 07 Dyna Lowrider… the 96 will do more than you need it to do plus some. That 96 bonded to a 6 speed is really the sweet spot for torque and gearing. Half the time I don’t even touch 6th gear on the highway, but when I do… man it’s nice and smooth.
Change the oil keep the filters clean don't add any horsepower to the dog on thing because even with that a guy on a $3,000 Japanese bike will leave you in the dust so just be happy have a Harley-Davidson it runs good and doesn't leak oil that's all you need thank you very much and by used No doubt
Harley is just a completely different feel and ride, they make some reliable power done right.
Are you related to Scotty Kilmer? That hand movement !
😆😂 l watch Scotty Kilmer too, l get excited talking about this stuff. Unfortunately no, wish l had his pay check though 😆.
Scott Kilmer uses clip bate to make money.
So excuse my ignorance, does the 96 motor have a geared cam drive and decent crank and oil pump, not to mention the cam plate?.. very confusing to a 60yr old newbie haha!
One more question, does any motor come in any bike? I presumed if you bought a fat boy you got a bigger motor... sorry.. clueless..
The Twin Cams are all driven by chain on the cams, l have a video on basically everything Harley on the engines. All models other than Sportster got the same size engine except the CVO. 99 to 06 was an 88, 07 to 2011 was 96, 2012 to 2017 was a 103. Touring bikes certain years and models got bigger engines in transition to a new displacement or engine. Touring bikes got the 107 M8 in 2017.
Just so people out there know, I own a 08 road king olive pearl 96 inch 36000 miles only thing I've ever done ia a starter oil changes, tires and brake pads that's it,runs great, but does get very very 🔥
Every twin cam needs a high volume oil pump and oil cooler. Just one or the other really keeps the heat down on the twin cam.
I'll stick with my '97 Roadking!!! EVO'S RULE, TWIN CAMS DROOL!!!!!!
Evo's are still a stout motor even today, some guys trade TC's for them.
I'm new to Harley and purchased a 2010 Road King. If I leave it stock is it a reliable engine? Friends with Harleys have at times needed a broom and dust pan to clean the parts from their engines off the road. Just wondering what experience board members have had with this engine. I kept my 1800gl wing, 1300r vtx and VLX 600 just in case it didn't work out. Yeah I know but the expectations for the 1800 s 250k miles, the x is fairly and the VLX wa my start bike and you. Cant tear one up. Riding buddies call them rice burners but if they were to. Look theyd see the Wing was built in south Carolina. The x was born in Ohio. A way I'm curious if anyone has stories about the road king theyd like to share.
@@jamesgarrett2129 Just stick with your rice burner, we don't need you!! All you wanted to do was brag about how great they are!!
@@jamesgarrett2129 Sounds like you're looking for a reason to dislike your king.
Yeah the TC 96 is awesome! I have a stage 1 kit with Rineharts & I am pretty happy with it. 105,000 miles. Keeping it stock is better for reliability vs power. 07 flhrs. & I have an evo as well.
Keeping them stock is honestly the best way to maintain the reliability, stage 1 never hurts though. Dang you have 105K on the odometer, I am not surprised but still impressed!
I own a 07 glide 96 inch , 81000 miles not a hitch
@@Ratridez I have a 08 flht over 86000 bone stock engine 96ci has been all over this great USA. I'm good
They will get the miles, bet you've kept on your maintenance too.
My 08 ultra 86,000 miles stil runs like a 10 when it gets tired will go upgrade for sure
Good advice. I bought a used Evo / carb 1988 Electra Glide Classic last August for $3500. Another $2000 for new tires and full service including fork rebuild. It gets down the road very well even if it doesn't have triple digit horsepower. I rode with a passenger towing a trailer from Northern Minnesota to Southern Texas.
That's awesome! That EVO is a very stout high torque motor, they are very reliable too!
and before you do ANY of that, even if you dont add hp, you better confront the comensator issue and the primary chain tensioner issue, if you are looking at these bikes ask if the work has been done, if not then you are gonna drop serious cash to fix harley's engineering fuck ups....and you get those from every gen motor. harley loves putting out bikes that grenade themselves nd passing on the cost to their customers to fix their mistakes
I bet you ride a pretty yellow Yamaha
Bet if we tied your hands you couldn't talk
😆😂👍 probably not...
Get it. Cam it. Leave the bore alone
Putting a good cam in to target where you mainly ride is more than enough for a lot of people. There's a lot of hidden potential in those motors by just swapping the cams.
I'm going to be completely honest. I don't understand doing all these upgrades to get more horsepower and torque. I've ridden my 88 halfway across the country. This is fully loaded in windstorms and up and down mountains. I've never needed more horsepower or torque. The thing is a rocket off the line with nothing more than a dynojet kit and pipes. Why do we need to keep getting bigger and bigger?
My 96 incher has 56000 miles on it. This motor is 11 yrs old and just had it's first "major surgery." Tranny main bearing and clutch basket. To ride a stock bike for 11 yrs with no problems is amazing. All my friends tried to talk me out of buying the bike because of the noisey cams, but I came from a metric bike with overhead cams, so I'm thinking "what noise?"
Anyhow, take it from someone who has ridden a '96 for many years, it's a good, solid, reliable motor!
They really are some damn good motors, that's pretty awesome you got that kinda mileage out of one before a major repair. The cams really aren't that noisy on those bikes. Now a sportster with high lift cams they sound like a Ducati dry clutch.
@@GixxerFoo 🤣👍
Lmao! I've been riding my honda cbr 929 since 01 with nothing but oil changes tires and spark plugs....beat that!
@@brittanyjackson1718 You probably look better on yours too!👍😎
You ain't gonna beat a Honda, 929 is an awesome bike. When l had my gixxer 1000 l rode with several people that had them.
Just an observation, but you might want to reinforce that shelf over your right shoulder. lol😂😂😂
I bought an '08 Road King classic with a '96 for $6,900.... It was advertised for 7500. I put $1,600 into it cam chain tensioners camshafts high flow oil pump billet cam plate rocker lockers compensator sprocket intake exhaust tuner... Did all the work myself.... 63,000 mi later... There's no way in hell I would go pay what they're asking for a new Road King. When this engine gives up I'll probably stuff an s&s in there and keep riding it.
That's strong work! That's the beauty of a Harley, you got a damn good price and built a hell of a motor. I love the fact you can keep a Harley forever like that. Either rebuild or swap a new motor in.
Did you 'upgrade' all the innards over stock? The hydraulic tensioners and improved oil pump came out in the dyna's in '06 as a test bed and everything else in '07.
@@gilbertbates8522 I don't really understand the question. it's an '08 Road King so yes I already had the good tensioners... I just replaced them with fueling parts. I upgraded to a high flow oil pump and billet cam plate at the same time I did all that and put the camshafts in.
Sounds like you updated all the factory parts that had the weak points 🤷♂️
Amen Brother!
Thank you. Quite informative and to the point. You are well spoken.
Engineers build the 96, marketeers build the 103
Warning! Twin cams are known to be noisy engines and using aggressive cams can drive people crazy with the rattling. I've read forums where guys have taken cams back out because of too much noise. There's a few caveats, the windshield on my Road King reflects front cylinder noise back at me. Also, the rocker arm shafts are kept from rotating by the rocker shaft mounting plate bolts. But there's enough slop that the shaft can rattle against the bolt, but you can buy brass sleeves to press in and take out the slop. At 26k miles on my '04 88 Road King, I was paranoid about the cam tensioners , took it apart and they were fine, but I had planned to do the '06 and later cam plate upgrade kit using the 'conversion cams you can buy from a few places. I used the Andrews 21N conversion cams which are 'baby' cams but are supposed to be the best profile for relatively stock heavy baggers. Also installed a 2 into 1 exhaust that had oxygen sensor holes and so I bought the Dynojet power vision tuner with wide-band O2 sensors from Fuel Moto. Even with baby cams it was noisier than I would have thought. Two years ago I put in the brass sleeves in the rocker plates. With all said and done with another 8k miles, now at 42k, it doesn't rattle that much or I've grown use to it, don't think the rocker shafts were that loose anyways so sleeves didn't seem to do that much. I don't rev it past 3.5k - 4k much either and wear a helmet more and more these days primarily for comfort on long distance rides. That's my 2 cents...
That's some good points, Sportster cams are stupid noisy when you get anything with higher lift over the W cams.
I really liked kick starting, the feel and the sound of my 1948 Panhead that I had in the 1970's and early 80's. My Evo Herritage I had in the 90's ran good, still sounded great, my Twin Cam 88 that I had in the 2000's. But, and this is a big but. What I didn't like about my older Harley's was their lousy Drum (Panhead), and Single Piston Disc Brakes that my Evo and TC 88 had. And that they did not have Cruise Control, and the 4 and 5 speed transmission where my left foot was always looking for another gear. My current ride, a 2010 103 FLHTK is my final Harley, I love the 6 speed transmission, the cruise control, the heated grips, the stereo, but most importantly, the Brembo ABS brakes that actually stop your bike. The 180 rear tire with Brembo ABS brakes, the dual disc ABS front brakes work great on the newer bikes are the main factor for me for not riding an older bike. I havn't locked up that skinny 130 rear tire and slid through an intersection since selling my Twin Cam 88 back in 2007.
Just picked up an ultra glide with 8000miles and a six speed things a gem ! Literally don't have to change a thing ,good suspension ,good handling ,good motor plenty of torque
You found a heck of a deal, it's good used bikes like that Harley is fighting. That bike new is almost 27k now!
My 11' Deluxe has the 96 and I'm happy with the power. I weigh 270lbs and load the bike down for moto camping. The 96 has no problem, none, nada getting up to speed or up hills, it's a great motor. You'll note the benefits that come of converting really come into play @3000 rpm. In 6th gear @ 75mph I'm at most 2800. I don't beat the shit out of my bike going for stop light to stop light so converting doesn't do much for a guy like me. If a guy thinks a 96 isn't "enough" know you're dealing with a moron.
The 96 makes great torque and it does it down low too. Even as the kits progress the torque just keeps climbing. There's nothing wrong with a 96 with a good intake, exhaust and tune.
That's kind of like saying that anyone who prefers a big block 454 over a small block 400 is a moron. Some people like the added torque, it's not always about the HP at least not for me. Torque is fun, more torque equals more fun to me and more usable power when and if you need it and besides that I'm a tinkerer, I just enjoy working on and trying to improve upon what factory stock offers.
@@bodeine454
Sorry, but no it is not. I believe you missed the point of my post.
@@jefferythomas4414 If I missed the point of your post I apologize....
I have an 04 TC88. I am 220 and my wife is 150. We pull a trailer full of camping gear and my stock bike make plenty of power. An upgrade would be fun but not needed. I will wait until I need to rebuild and then build bigger and badder and add a baker 6 speed.
Let me save HD. People don’t really buy HD for torque and horsepower. They buy and ride them for the V twin sound and feel of the bike design. HD could build a reincarnation of the 45 ci flathead (737 cc) as long as it looked felt and sounded like a Harley it would sell. STOP trying to catch the Hyabusa with more hp. A very wise HD owner once told Ninja rider, “Sure, I’ll race you. Meet me here in ten years.”
They are really fun to ride though when you get them hopped up a bit. They put that power down way different than any other bike.
Spot on
A motorcycle and especially a classic Harley is about the bond you form with it and the wrench is second only to the ride in this. It will also provide a deeper longer lasting unbreakable bond you can keep running forever.
Or you could do like I did, buy a new Honda 1800. More hp, more torque, Honda reliability, and 1/3 the price of a hd. Don't get me wrong, I love HD, always wanted one, buy they ain't made of gold.
No they ain't made of gold, the Honda makes some power for sure!
Kevin Lorren yea but it’s still a Honda,and to make it worse it’s a Honda TRYING to be a HD.😉
I have a 06 softail with the 88" and upgraded cams when the tensioners were replaced. Plenty of low and mid range torque, never been on a dyno. Very happy for what it is. If I were to look for a second bike for speed and Horse power bragging rights, Yamaha V-max. Just saying.
A hopped up Harley is a blast to ride and there's not feeling like it on anything else. That Vmax is a bad boy, thing was a death trap like everything else in the 80's with crapola suspension and wispy brakes having a 150 horsepower lmfao. Now the second gen was an absolute 200 horse monster with suspension and brakes.
Best video that summarizes what the 96” is capable of for upgrades. Thanks man!!
Yes, a Twinkie, Twinkie, fun for every girl and boy…hahahaha with the soft gooey filling.
That's what happens when the tensioners come apart and run through the oil passages, you get confetti so it's kinda of an okay bad day.
If you're looking for a Dyna, buy one with the 6-speed and larger fork tubes. Then modify the hell out of it.
S&S / evo type
S&S makes some quality parts and motors for the EVO, can't go wrong there.
Good info. You might want to put your hands in your pocket. And you don't have to shout. Not being a wise ass just an observation. I'll subscribe for sure.
Thank you for the sub! Lol l do get a bit excited talking about bikes, it's a passion mine.
@@GixxerFoo I'm hooked on your Site. Harley all the way but I had a GS1100EZ in '83 and a damn Hayabusa in '08. Put 8500 mile on that sumbitch in two years and lived to tell about i. Thanks again.
I appreciate you watching, l remember when thay Busa came out. Dad was running a Kawasaki & Suzuki shop, that first year Busa was insane with no speed limiter.
I had an 07 FXD with a 96 engine. Good engine
The Harley market has cratered. You can't give him away they're like zucchinis.
It's far from where they got used to be in the 90's that's for sure!
My 2009 Fat Bob, bought new, has about 140000 miles now. Never a problem, even the first battery made it five years!
You have 140k on you're bike?! Holy hell! What kinda of riding have you been doing?
@@GixxerFoo It's my daily bike, and I was a MC- Member for more than 20 years, so you ride!
Damn l would say so! I figured you were going cross country with that kinda mileage.
@@GixxerFoo Yes, I made europe from spain, up near to the north pole, later eastern europe and russia. I still have a lot of photos to prove it. There was even a russian motorcycle mag, who made a story.
That's awesome! I would live to make a ride that over there!
Stop moving your hands please....distracting as fuck.....otherwise great video 👍👍
😄😂 Thank you! Sorry I get too excited and I get the Scotty Kilmer thing going. I been working on it though!
About two months ago I picked up a 2007 Ultra Glide with the 96” twin cam and the stage 1 screamin eagle intake and exhaust.
Only 19K on the odometer.
Couldn’t be happier with it👍🏻
19K on a 2007? Someone bought that and never really rode it much! Sounds like you found a deal on barely broke in 07!
what would the numbers look like on a 96 engine stage 4 but say a woods cam instead of screaming eagle ? looking at your figures the 96 stage 4 kit has about the same as a new 114 with a screaming eagle stage w2 kit which is very impressive over buying say a new limited like i did n shelling out just over 30,000 grand , I'm going to buy a 96 and put a stage 4 in it just for the fun of it
Depends on which wood cam you went with, the stage 4 kit with the SE heads have beehive springs which gives you a lot more room to play with higher lift cams. With a mild high lift wood and a 103 stage 4 on a 96 it wouldn't be out of the question to break 120 horsepower and torque.
Stop waving your arms so much
There was too much excitement talking about the 96, l really like those for used bikes.
2007 fxdB first year with SIX speed tranny / no DOUBT about mine bLOVE 96 motor…
The 96 is a great torque motor with some horsepower, it was a huge improvement over the 88 which didn't make any horsepower but alright torque.
Consider the 1999-2002 cause they have the Timkin bearing in the case.
You can always bore it to my 96 or 98" and make good 100hp.
You can also change the spring tensioner to Hydraulic with a plate and better oil pump.
The newer engine have the cheap ass bearings and need to be replaced when building the engine up in power.
Cheap ass Harley saving money when they should be improving the engine not making it cheaper.
It sucks they switched from the tapered bearing to cut production costs, you can add them to the 2003 on with a sleeve but it's an operation. There's some awesome kits out there for the 88 and you're right they will make some good power, even with the carb.
Why consider a Harley Davidson at All ?
Over Priced, Over Rated, Over Sized Pieces of SHIT !!!
They are just a different feel and ride, I've owned and road metrics myself too. They are not something that offers a lot of value per dollar like a metric.
I have a 2010 Heritage. The bike had V&H Big Shots and a Screaming Eagle air cleaner when I bought it 3 years ago. I haven’t done a thing to it other than maintenance. I think it runs absolutely great. It will pull me over Big Savage Mountain at 80mph no problem. I have a 2020 Heritage also with the 114. It is an absolute beast. I honestly enjoy the 2010 over the 2020 for the all day tour. I’m going to NC in a couple weeks and I will most likely take my 2010.
I don't doubt that one bit! I've heard quite a few people say they prefer their older bike to the new M8. I haven't put enough seat time on an M8 to make that call but l definently like the TC sound better.
Great videos! I have a 96 motor road king 17K miles
will love to to install stage 2 or 3 but wondering if is possible and I can be able to do it my self
It's possible and can be done with some good mechanical knowledge and a service manual. Gotta have the manual, a official Harley manual. They are step by step and use RUclips as well, it's a great reference. At 17K your bike has plenty of life to make it 103 with some nice cams in it. I'd pull the primary though and rotate the crank, just make sure it doesn't have any up and down or side to side play in the rods and rotates freely.
The Super Glide is a beautiful option.
The Super Glide is an awesome bike, really over looked in my opinion. I am really surprised how much cheaper they are selling for on the used market compared to the other Dynas.
@@GixxerFoo Not in Europe.
A Super Glide (+/- 2010) cost is around 8 or 9 thausand euros, wich is not cheap.
Anyways, to me is one of the best options.
Cheers.
Damn yeah over in your market that's nuts. They are really cheap here in the US.
@@GixxerFoo For sure.
Yes! I had a 2011, Great bike!
My 08 Streetbob with the 96 is so peppy the ladies have to hold on to my moustache like a second set of handlebars. Nothing pleases me more than riding my Dyna to my job as a womens mud wrestling referee.
Now that's a job I could get behind for sure!
Prices on 10+ year old Dynas in my neck of the woods have dropped by about 20% in the past 2 years. Time to buy a project bike may be now...
That's awesome, Dynas around here are pretty cheap too. Most with decent mileage too.
I don’t see the point of trying to make a Harley fast, want fast? Just buy a vmax.
Whew Vmax was like 150-160 horse in 1986, now they are 200. Very fun bikes but they are a different ride than a hopped up Harley. Harleys put the power to the ground a lot differently at much lower RPM.
Great points..i got a 2008 road king anniversary with low miles an extra accessories for 7k..probably my best buy to date..n pretty too!!.. 😀
Holy crap 7k for an 08 RK? Damn you got a hell of deal on that bike!
I love those retro bikes myself. Dad ran a Kawasaki shop for 30 years and he always had a monster built KZ. It's awesome seeing the KZ legacy live on in the new Z bikes. I had a Z1000 and wish l never sold it now.
7K's not bad. I also just picked up a mint 08 96ci RKC anniv. for $9000 this Feb -right before all the COVID b.s. hit. Had 5000 miles on it! Was a great buy for the money too I thought for the content. I'll probably never get a deal like this in my lifetime either! Came with a ton of stuff too -Rineharts full exhaust, high-flow and chip, shield and back-rest, the works. Enjoy the ride on your "new" RK, great bike!!:-)
@@jeffstonecipher1594 nice!!👌
Damn you got a steal on that CVO, l have never found a deal like that. Plus all the extras, you can't beat that.
I hate that 6 speed transmission. Sure the gears are nice but, amy 5 speed is a much better trans than that 6 speed
The 5 speed served us very well for many years, less to go wrong with the 5.
I'll take a carbureted Evo powered ANYTHING over any Twinkie or Milwaukee 8.
The reliability and simplicity of the EVO is hard to beat. They sound awesome, easy to work on and make great cruiser power with a little tuning.
@@GixxerFoo yeah, that's all over owned. You couldn't give me a brand new one in an even exchange for mine. 142,000 miles and still going strong. If you go to my RUclips channel you'll see it. One year only Evo powered Road Glide
@Krieger plenty of them still out there
Still not convinced to change from my 93 Evo.....single cam, no chani to bugger up.
I wouldn't get rid of an EVO for a TC, the EVO is just too good of a motor.
@@GixxerFoo I just got my 1st Harley, a '92 Electra Glide Sport. What do you recommend to get a little more oomph?
If it's all stock, start with some good exhaust and a jet kit. Those carbed bikes respond really well free flowing exhaust and some fuel!
@@GixxerFoo .....also a better breathing air cleaner and a decent cam....I am running a Head Quarters Rumble stick...huge difference.
That why I stick to my shovelhead. Put Andrews f grind on this pig I can run pretty much with anyone It also weighs under 500#'s. Just cleaned up on a 103 bagger but really I don't think guy could ride
GixxerFoo talking bout the 96 makes me want to put a 96 twin cam into a GSXR600 or 750 chassis just because I want to
You know how fricikin cool that would be to have a Harley motor swapped into a sport bike frame?!! I have always thought that would be stupid fun and make a custom 2 into 1 exhaust with the sport bike can for the muffler.
@@GixxerFoo that’s literally exactly what I was thinking all the torque of a Harley and the handling of a sports bike sure the top end won’t be as fun but the torque exiting corners and just around town would be way more fun
The 96 is fine. Do not spend more money in power mods. If you want more power, then get a different bike.
I bought my 2010 Heritage new. After break-in or around 5 thousand miles, I got the Orange tuner before it was outlawed. I put American Custom slip-on's, SE air box with stock cover and the SE 259e cams. The bike runs very strong. Not sure how much HP I picked up but the torque in 4th gear is outstanding Very pleased with my bike. By the way, every part including all excessories are HD. No after market anywhere. Even the slip-on's are stock just reworked by American Custom Exhaust.
That's awesome! Hang onto that race tuner, they are awesome and hard to find. Sounds like you built one hell of a machine. I've heard of that company before, did they do good work for you? I've got some stock exhaust l wanted worked over.
@@GixxerFoo I bought the bike from Timms HD in Anderson South Carolina. While they were servicing the bike, I had them to add some the common accessories at that time. I new down the road I would change the slip-ons. When people purchase new exhaust from Timms, most of the time they leave the original slip-ons. So Timms sold me a pair for $40. I sent them to American Custom Exhaust and had them reworked. They take out the guts and add a small amount of mesh inside on the inside wall of the muffler. You can see straight through it. Almost like having straight exhaust but it has some baffle. It has the best sound of any bike out there and people have ask me how I got that sound from stock mufflers. Very low tone and when you punch it, they get loud. The SE 259e cams have a really nice chop. .570 lift. I think 260 duration. I kept the stock air box cover so the bike looks totally stock. I am not into the rad look of after market crap that most times starts to rust the next week. Keeping it simple is my way. I have had several bikes in the past starting with my out of the box Shovelhead 1974. Had two Shovelheads, one Evo and probably my last the one I have, 2010 Heritage. Give them a try at American Custom Exhaust. In my opinion, HD dealers have this thing going with Rinehart. You can't convinced me that they make a bike run any better than what I have and mine sound superior to Rinehart that sound tinny. All in the tuning.
Yes! Every dealer keeps pushing Rinehart exhaust, they do it even at my local dealer. I love how you kept stock look, that's my favorite way to do it! I'll have to check them out, l'd like to get my factory mufflers reworked properly.
@@jerryhubbard4461 sounds like something I need done with the exhaust on my 2009 Rocker C. I purchased it second hand with a Vance and Hines big radius 2 in 2 exhaust and got defected. Now the cops and epa have pictures of it with a standard exhaust, the look must be maintained or I can be fined even more for tampering with it. If I have a stock exhaust gutted and reworked, it will be harder for them to tell. Trouble is I live in New South Wales, Australia. Right now it sounds like a scooter and was detuned to suite the original exhaust. It's like the nuts have been ripped off it.
The early 96" motors also came with horrendous compensator sprockets that will make for difficulty in starting when hot and will also eat clutch baskets.
They were an absolute nightmare for sure!
@@GixxerFoo You say "were"; I say "still is," as I have replaced my clutch basket and chain tensioner, but haven't made a decision on which way to go with the comp yet.
I like my 88 twin cam with the big bore jugs (95") Smoother than the stroker 96"
I also did the cam plate upgrade with hydraulic tensioners.
The 95 is an awesome upgrade on those motors. It's just the right amount of power and torque, sounds like you put yours together right! Shouldn't have any worries with your setup.
Your 95" jugs have a bore of 3 7/8 " and a stock stroke is 4 inches ....if you shorten the the stroke by one inch you would have a 72 cubic inch engine ..with the same bore and stroke of a 283 " small block Chevy V8. And you could run connecting rods a half an inch longer
..S&S will cut fly wheels for any custom stroke an stroke cranks and rods. ... They used to charge around 50 to 60 bucks extra back in the 70's. .. If you built a custom configuration.. It would have to be dynamically. Balanced ..but not a problem. . Precision balancing of Indianapolis used to charge around 60 bucks to balance the bottom end of a Harley engine as I had my very first one I ever built balance and believe me it makes the difference between night and day there was nothing like that..with a shorter stroke you with slow down the piston speed a bunch....longer rods will take off side angle frict ion a bunch ..and with a balance job .will take iyt most all vibration ..so basically you would be building can engine mush like a Suzuki v Strom ..over square with ablot less heat and buzzzup making a 100 HP like a v Strom ..when we used to tune two strokes back in the early 70's for motocross using air cooled engines there where after market jugs and heads with cooling fins twice as long...and the low budge boys would heli arc longer cooling fin on stock jus that madeva difference . and a cooler range sparkvplug help end a bunch ..just saying ...if you run a 3 inch or 3 2/2 inch stroke will be the www.odd-bike.com/2016/03/harley-davidson-vr1000-gods-own-voice.html?m=1 ..years agob was asking Carl fields whovrscedvforvS&s in the 50's about big twins with shortvstrojes and bigger bores ..and ol' Carl said ..we did that a long time ago to 60 cubic inch pans with 74 inch jugs that was a bolt on ..that give you a 68 cubic inch engine that was much faster that a 74 inch pan ..something to think about ..and today we can do the same using bigger jugs and newer cases
Good video. Thanks
Prices are really good on those older bikes with decent miles, leaves room to make it really make it run.
Wait a minute...The 88ci is the best twin cam Harley ever made! First, it has more HP than a stock 96 and 103 and has the same HP as the stock 110. The motor got bigger over time, but EPA regulations got stricter too so they built the engines differently. The only issue with the 88ci is the cam chain tensioners and maybe the plastic breathers in the rocker boxes which isn't that big of a deal and not that expensive to fix. since 2007, the 96, the 103, and the 110 have had way more problems. The primary tensioner is garbage, the compensator is garbage, but worst of all is the crankshaft which as a runout sometimes up to 0.0012'' because of a bad crankpin, which will cause serious damage to the motor if you do not have the crankshaft trued and welded, or replaced with an aftermarket one. You are lucky if you get to 40 000 miles without having any SERIOUS problems. That is why I would NEVER buy a Harley that was built after 2006. After what I've seen so far, I don't trust the M8s either. And nothing beats the reliability of an old-school EVO even if it does lack power.
Very well said, there were some of the pressed crank pins that went to crap really early on. It just varied engine to engine, some guys got over 100K with those pressed pins. Still can't beat that 88 from 2002 and earlier with the Timken bottom end, that short stroke 88 can really be built into a runner. You're right though that the engine got bigger but the emissions got stricter which killed the stock power potential of these newer engines.
You must have been dropped on your head if you honestly think the 88ci came with more power than the 96/103. 88ci= 57hp/71t, 96ci=69hp/82t, 103ci=75hp/91t, 110ci= 75hp/91t all dyno results from completely stock bikes and i can say from personal experience that a stage 1 88ci will not keep up with a bone stock 96ci or 103ci.
I wish my 2007 96” twin cam had a tight tolerance of .0012 I’m a tool and die maker. 12 ten thousand of an inch is different than .012, like major.
I’d start with a 00’ TC88, has the Timken bearings…
That's a dang good place to start!
I would love any Harley Except for the oil disasters from the 70s
Yeah those AMF years were awful, it takes a special person to own a bike from those years. You gotta really enjoy working on them and know the tricks on the shovel heads.
@@GixxerFoo Back when I was getting into bikes some 20 odd years ago, my friends and I made out a dream list, top of which were WLAs, then Shovels, then Pans. The AMF bikes were never even considered.
Yeah there's really no way to make those AMF bikes reliable. They cut corners on materials, castings, parts, assembly, the list just goes on.
@@GixxerFoo Hey now...I've got a '79 shovelhead that I bought in '86 with 22k miles on it, it was hacked pretty good but was relatively cheap for the times. Put another 60k miles on it with one top end job before buying an '04 Road King new. It was pretty tired when I bought the RK with over 80k miles on it and smoking due to rings. I've since gone through the entire engine and while it's not my daily rider anymore, I don't plan on selling it.
I wouldn't sell that bike either, that's really impressive out of a shovel. There were some good ones out there despite the factory quality they fought AMF over.
Love my 2013 Super Glide 96 -1 Enough Power For Me, So On my Way Home I just had to find out if it would come close to 120 mph At 118 mph it happened the death Wobble. After that it Was A slow ride home.
Holy crap I would of been pulling seat out of my butt for a week after that.
I bought a used 2009 Ultra Classic with the 96 cuid engine. Had it for almost 3 years and it's ran flawlessly. Got about 40k miles on it.
How many miles have you put on it since you bought it?
@@GixxerFoo about 18,000 miles. All I've had to do is change oil , brake pads and tires. It's the most comfortable bike I've ever owned.
That's awesome to hear! Hopefully it'll keep going like that!
I had an 09 ultra classic in root beer brown. My favorite bike, brakes failed and i smashed into a Lexus. I ride indian now, and won’t ever look back to harley ever again. Too many failures.
Holy crap, dang that sucks l remember the brake recalls they had on those.
Cukk Hulk in most of them
The crank run out on the 88 is within specs for the S&S gear to gear timing.
Best thing to put on an 88, not sure how much run out you would end up with on one with some miles though.
That's very true, better to get it down and check it before you order parts. Suck to order an expensive gear and not be able to use it.
Used Harleys are everywhere because no one wants a heavy, underpowered, over-priced, ill-handling piece of antiquated machinery.
It's actually killing Harley right now since the used bike market is where customers are buying. Lol why pay 3 times as much new when you can get a nice used bike.
Sounds of a Cafe Rider
Excellent video. Love the options, however, I love this bike stock. For me, there is plenty of power for the style and function of the bike. If I want speed and power and can always use my duc or rc51. When I ride my RK, I just want to relax and enjoy the view.
Totally agree, that's what a Harley is all about. There are options out there but at the end of day it's a cruiser. People want these bikes for being 1800cc and 75 horsepower, it's not trying to win Daytona. Just produce some big torque and put a big smile on your face!
I have a 2000 Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide with a Twin cam 88 motor and carburetor. The only thing I would like from a Twin cam 96 engine is a sixth gear. I love the way my Dyna Wide Glide looks, sounds and drives. And I have no problem looking at the chain tensioner shoes from time to time.
I just bought a 2003 Softail with 8000 miles on it for $5000 . Harley can keep their new bikes !
Damn that's a steal! Hell someone never road that bike!
@@GixxerFoo It spent most of its life in Hawaii sitting and then ended up in Minnesota where I bought it .
Oh wow, damn that's crazy! Yeah you'd have to ride a lot of circles on the islands to rack up 8k.
New bikes are over priced junk. 😂
I remember i had a 2007 Road King with Vance and Hines Head Pipes True Duals and Samson straight Pipes and an Arlen Ness Big Shot Fuel Tuner and WOW was it awesome and I am not kidding. Stock cams and I wish I never got rid of it
I have a 96 and specs are 77hp? I'm in Europe if that has something to do with it?
That sounds about right for a 96 at the crank, of course corrected rear wheel horsepower is realistically about 60 on a stock bike.
@@GixxerFoo Back wheel yeah. Got to go through lots of hoops and loops before reaching the pavement 😄
After 16 years and 65k miles, my 2004 88 is still good enough for me. I may take a look at the original cam chain tensioners during the winter.
That's frickin awesome! Some bikes went just fine like that and others shelled at 15k.
Have an 06 softail love it
I've got a 2004 88 road king with 42k miles. I was kind of paranoid about the tensioners about 5 years ago at 26k miles, they were fine. I went ahead and did the upgrade with the hydraulic tensioners and cam plate 'kit' using the Andrews 21N conversion cams. There's a few companies making the 'conversion' cams which have the larger diameter outside bearing surface for the later hydraulic cam plate with the larger bearing holes.
It's funny some bikes had the issue and others never had one issue. I dunno if it was bad run of tensioners or if some were built on Friday before a holiday.
Right on, those are some awesome bikes. I still like TC and the Evo, l am not sold on that M8.
I currently own a 2009 Road King and had a 2007 Ultra classic before that. Not a single issue at all combined.
That's great to hear! They are really awesome bikes, some had that compensator issue but like your bikes it wasn't all of them.
@@GixxerFoo I actually changed the compensator to a V-Twin Power 34 Tooth Compensator Eliminator as a premature precaution. I just order an S&S Cycle 551CE Easy Start Chain Drive Cam Chest Kit. Really excited to see how the bike will respond after that kit.
That's a great setup, that way you don't have to worry about the compensator going out.
I bought an 09 Ultra w/96 and absolutly love it. Had 22k when I bought it. Looking to add new intake and tuner, but worried about whether I should replace the compensator or wait till it goes bad. Planning a road trip this coming year to Sturgis/Yellowstone, what do you think?
The compensator usually gives you some warning before it fails. If you're not having any issues with it l would run it. But if it ever does fail the Dark Horse compensator eliminator is a excellent replacement. It has a cush drive built in and it's rebuildable. Being an 09 they are less likely to have the issues of the 07 and 08 models.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you so much for the response, I have had no issues with mine as of now, but we are planning a big trip next year, heading back to Sturgis, plus heading to Yellowstone, my fear is what happens IF I have an issue knowing this is the weak spot on my bike. When you start to have issues is it something that starts to show some warning can you still ride it for a while or when it happens it happens? Love your informative videos very well done, thank you
Not a problem at all, there are some signs of and l have video a out compensators and eliminators. I don't if you saw it ruclips.net/video/qZNZAiX9Edw/видео.html. But you'll hear a clang starting the bike and experience some gring noises at low speed. Probably have a a lot of issues shifting into first and find neutral.
THE ONLY REASON to buy a used Hog. 1. Is the poor fool who put 30,000 dollars into it to get it to run. Then started over on a new piece of shit. I been there a did that with a 2002 fully dressed bike. Sad days. Junk from day one.
That's the benefit of used, getting all the goods at a fraction of the price. What problems did you have with your bike?
@@GixxerFoo Way to much. It was a 2002 New off the junk pile. After $1200.00 with only 50 miles on it and 3 months in the shop. I just sold it for what I could get and walked a way. Lost the bike thing and did not go back.
Dang that sucks, they aren't all like that but it only takes one bad experience to get burned.
I am new to harley this was extremely helpful and informative
That's awesome! That's exactly why do it, l appreciate you watching and your support!
Think I’ll just go look at a BMW that makes more power without rebuilding the motor
I'm thrilled to read all the positive comments. My friends, unfortunately, have had issues with excessive runout on their crankshafts that required total rebuilds. Shame on Harley for considering .012 acceptable when they did such a great job on the 88 twin-cam keeping runout under .003
It all went south when they cut their production costs buy having a bearing pressed into that left side crank case. Getting away from the Timken setup was a huge mistake on Harley's part.
@@GixxerFoo Hate to be negative but I feel most owners barely put miles on their motorcycle and would never experience an issue within the first two years of ownership. Knowing this allows them to cut quality and not be on the hook for repairs. To their credit runout has decreased every year after 2007 settling in at .005/.006 but owners will never be able to run a gear-drive cams on a stock engine after 2006.
I don't think you being negative, honestly l think you're right on the money but saying most riders don't run any miles. I wouldn't doubt for a second if that was Harley's way of thinking with the build quality.
@@GixxerFoo I say that because most people I know here in New England only put a few thousand miles a year on their engines. As you know I am definitely not one of those people. Keep the great content coming.
Thank you will do! Lol me either, l at least hit my oil change interval every year!
And first year Street glide 2006 cobalt blue with the Batmobile wheels when it came out I had to have it 88 fuel injected, and there’s a long story with that lol but it’s a solid platform and to be honest I don’t know which cam tensioner it has does the 88 fuel injected bike have the hydraulic tensioner? I guess I need to take a trip to a service manual lol, me and the girls appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Thank you.
I have an 88 and changed to the upgraded better Cam Chain tensioner and I prefer the 5 speed
You know l never really understood the 6 speed on the cruiser, l never had an issue with a 5 speed myself.
@@GixxerFoo when you ride on the straight highway you notice a huge difference better gas mileage and you can go faster without the rpms going so high
That's true, lol l often find myself looking for that 6th gear. 😆 l rode a GSX-R for years.
The 5 speeds had longer gears. The 6 speed has shorter gears so you're shifting more. Being in 5th gear on a 6 speed will almost match the rpms of a 5 speed in 4th gear. The 6 speed in 6th gear is really just an overdrive. I myself prefer the 5 speed.
I bought a new super glide in 09 .it was a good running bike .but it did not like to be restarted after you ran into a store then jump back on it.if you tried to hot restart it it would kick back and sound like the starter was going to break.if you let it cool for a bit it would restart fine.also if the stator goes bad
you have to take every single piece of the primary drive housing off to get to the stator coil.also on mine when I had it apart to fix stator I realized the splines in the clutch hub were flaking off.. but they are good running bikes very comfortable. But do yourself this favor take someone knowledgable so they can feel if the bottom end feels like it vibrates too much.cause the flywheels are press fit together and have been known to shift. Which causes oil pump failure
Damn that's rough, yeah l was never a fan of the press fit crank. It's inevitable that it comes out of alignment, doesn't happen to every bike but more than it should.
cool video! love my 96!
It's a very nice torque producing motor, it can definitely be woke up if you want to!
Happy I snagged a couple 103 bikes
The 103 is where Harley got that Twin Cam engine lined out.
I would buy new but I don't want to have to buy collision insurance. Collision is $3k a year.
Yeah insuring a new Harley is insane and you have to have full coverage. Even if you paid cash l wouldn't risk it. That's the other thing a lot of people don't consider is insurance cost.
You are getting ripped off dude...full coverage of harleys costing over $20,000 is less than $1000/year
@@donniebaker5984 Please give me the link to your insurance company. If I can get insurance that cheap I will buy a new Lowrider.
@@donniebaker5984 Please tell me what insurance company you use.
I use Progressive, they've been really inexpensive for me.
Love my 2012 Dyna 96. Thank you for your expertise.
Those creepy hand and arm movements are casting spells!🤣🤣🙈
😆😂 yes, yes they are... buy a used bike and save yourself a lot of money 👍
Don't do Harley financing! If you hear "simple interest loan"? Punch the salesman in the throat and leave. Seriously, you'd be better off putting the cost of it on a credit card. A Kawasaki 750cc Vulcan produces 62 HP and you can pick those up all day for around $1000. The '06 1200R Sportster puts out 70hp and 79 ft pounds of torque bone stock! The 96" should be producing at least 80-85 HP. I mean ffs the 80" Evo was putting out 64 HP!