All this talk about Ukraine having to consider giving up some of their land for the sake of peace is disgusting. The people of Vietnam and Afghanistan didn't toss in the towel. They fought hard and kicked out more powerful invaders. The people of Ukraine have that same courage and will overcome the illegal invasion and destruction of their country. The dithering, hand-wringing and waffle by the political elite of most NATO countries, does not inspire much confidence in that organisation's capacity to ever be able to defend Europe against any invading armies.
The very suggestion that Ukraine should even consider giving up one INCH to Russis.. is 1) Just wrong thinking. Ukraine belongs to Ukraine. And 2) Even allowing Russia 1 inch of Ukraine is an encouragement.. the LAST thing one should do to a country who WE KNOW has a plan to march across Europe. No encouragement.. NOT ONE Inch.. since Russia will not be appeased.
Well there are reasons why Ukraine might want peace and give land to Russia. If all electrical plats get destroyed, and waterpumps get targated, what is being done limited now. Or if west decides to stop giving free stuff to Ukraine. I think many prople undereszimate russia. And about nuks I dont think they will fly couse than even China might go for east Siberia as an excuse. Hard to say Ukraine is already having recruitment problems, and it is fighting country that can just force minorities in to army. This will go on for long time.
Ir becomes OBVIOUS that the first thing one must do to have success is to comprehend what makes the opposition tick. Our friend Konstantin (Inside Russia) has been invaluable in helping many Western minds understand Russia and just how the typical Russian mind works. I find his unique perspective ( East / West blend) to be incredibly useful. Imho.. it would be wise for some Western " Think Tank" to pluck this brilliant chap out of the backwaters and utilize his grasp of the Russian minset. It never hurts to have a 'Superior Man' in your camp.
Thorough conversation, thank you! I may add that Putin is obsessed by an assumed great Russian empire from the past, implying that Russia can only be Russia as a first rank global player. Combined with the absence of serious counter play within the Kremlin, this can partly explain Putin's colossal errors of judgment in relation to Ukraine and the West. Remember, during the run up to the invasion Putin was intensively warned by Macron, Scholz and others not to engage in military adventures.
Add to that simple regime survival...what he and his mob Kremlin elites witnessed on the Maidan in 2013/2014 was frightening for them...a Ukraine clearly wanting to move towards Europe and the West, whilst discarding Russian sphere of influence was the real existential threat to Putin and his cronies. They are terrified of a colour revolution...that much was clear in 2012 when Putin and his mob put down growing public protests to his "re-election". Ukrainians don't suffer the same political Apathy that Russians do...they have no interest of being another Belarus...in fact that is exactly what they are fighting for. Ukrainians know that if Russia were to take Kyiv, that is exactly what they would become, another Belarus...although I do believe that Moscow would then have an untenable partisan war on their hands which they do not have the resources to withstand. Russia could never have and will never be able to occupy and subjugate Ukraine...Putin's calculus was and is deeply flawed...and now that he failed to take Kyiv in the first few weeks of his invasion...he's put himself in a corner and he cant back down. Russia simply cannot win this war...Ukraine will never stop fighting.
32:36 you can insert the USA under trump for russia and putin. trump surrounds himself with radical "yes men" and it is self-destructive eventually. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands are killed, millions traumatized, the nation's wealth is plundered and we are devastated 🥺
So Happy to have this casting from Silicon Curtin, will be listening two times and will read the Comments as I happily hitch along with You All. Goes without saying , Thank -You and May God Bless Your Circle of Influence. Ukraine will Define Democracy for the entire Planet 🇨🇦☮️👐👣🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
I like this multiple guest format - besides the impressive depth of intelligence and complimentary breadth of experiencee you all bring to the table, - even you, Jonathan ;) - the next speaker has time to hone the next piece of the puzzle into the exact shape that completes thr picture. Well done.
Thank you Jonathan, for this conversation. Elena's Tolstoy quote was: "It's smoothly written on paper, but they forgot about the ravines". Referencing Aug. 4th 1855 battle of Fedyukhiny Heights in which Tolstoy was a participant. Slava Ukraini, Free AZOV, Return the Children, Crimea is Ukraine, RGTFO and VPDFO.
This is a fabulous discussion. Content yes, insights. But also a case of the totality of the group is greater than the sum of the parts. Thank you all. And of course, thank you Silicone Curtain!
Bad intelligence, meant to please the president, also is a problem in the US. For instance, take military intelligence of the situation in Afghanistan. Our troops were training Afghani troops to become good fighters, who would become capable of defending the government, after US troops and allied troops left the country. Some intelligence agents on the ground began to express doubts about that program. Such reports were discussed among superior officers. Other agents brought glowing reports of highly promising improvement. Those reports went right up the chain of command and into the hands of the president. Our presidents wanted to believe in handing over responsibility in Afghanistan. The military intelligence agency told the president what he wanted to hear. And that is how it happened, that our military leaders told Biden that the Afghan army could keep the Taliban away for at least six months after Biden ordered final withdrawal. And the Taliban were at the gates of Kabul within two weeks. Biden looked like a fool, because military leaders had told him lies.
No. He was a fool who overrode the Pentagon and more. Fortunately, Harris was the last voice to leave the room. Trump's exit deal was violated to such a degree -- it was VOID. It had 7 conditions -- the Taliban violated 6 of them. Yet, ever still, Harris & Coy blame Trump for their colossal boner. Within weeks, Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine -- all the way. The actual event was delayed to please Xi. This was an epic error -- for Russia -- because the Mud Season started off within weeks. Say good bye to any mechanized war. Oops! Most of Ukraine does NOT have paved roads. Yes, Ukrainians are that poor. Plus, building roads on top of local soils is very costly and slow. It turns either to mud or ice every year.
Putin was never a SPY. He was a LIAR. The KGB considers professional liars to be THE highest rank of skill. This he carries on even now. His ability to spin reality is quite astounding, breathtaking, in fact. Pitin had an IQ test score of 140+ ie a genius. His latest stunt is learning Chinese. This on top of running the whole show !
Looking at what actually happened, Boris Johnson certainly thought he was there to get Zelensky out of Ukraine - hence the famous line, "I don't need a ride, I need ammo!" Boris Johnson is very dodgy, he has a history of playing footsie with KGB operatives and their kids, looking at you, "Lord" Lebedev in the House of Lords, that Boris Johnson was warned about, but made him a lotd anyway - Lebedev's father operates a lot of fancy Russian seaside resorts in Crimea 💯👁️👁️
Maybe Ukraine needs to put a price, value, on the land occupied by Russia, and request payment for it should Putin wants to keep it. Then money will be taken from Russia until it is paid.
Pockets of effectiveness, what a wonderful concept/expression! Special Gulag camps for research/development. “Sharashka”? From memory, I think that late 1960s English translation of First Circle used “sharashka” or close. Hard to remember spelling in a novel I read over 50 years ago. Amazing I still remember it almost scene by scene. Genuinely great novel, without doubt his best, definitely Nobel quality, followed by Cancer Ward. Tho “One day in the Life ….” Seems more finely crafted, more controlled, and enormously effective. Read it when it came out; I was in high school. A shame that S. Could be such an arrogant, stereotyping asshole when talking about politics and social life, especially in the West. All of the subtle insights into complexities of human motivations, fears, arrogance, ambitions, courage, cowardice, etc, replaced by absolutist certainties about societies he knew nothing about. Just because the Soviets would real speak words/concepts like “freedom”, and equality before the law or whatever he despised about The “corrupt” West in the moment, doesn’t mean the concepts and words had no meaning. My direct forebears back to 1770s fought, and in some cases died, literally and self consciously fighting in 6 wars to create and maintain our liberties. This isn’t just fluff. When Lincoln said, in the Gettysburg address, that the (unified) United States was “…the last, best hope of mankind…”) his point was not frothy propaganda defending war conduct, they were the literal truth. The US was the only true democracy in the world (UK expansion universal suffrage followed over next several decades). All other nations were monarchies, dictatorships, or autocracies of some sort. The few partial exceptions, in Latin America, leaned on the US for some protection. The Civil War removed this protection leading to a French army nearing the northern border of the United States, attempting to destroy a real attempt in Mexico to implement popular sovereignty. But enuf. S. Novels are an exploration of human behavior and sensibility as well as a historical testament. Likewise, the Gulag Archipelago. That is more than enough for ant person to earn my admiration as a human being and artist. Ok, so he was a terribly obtuse social observer/critic.
Globally militaries are most often led by optimists, but operated by pessimists. Multiply by an Autocracy that requires everyone to be an optimist and that’s where a visible gap between what is said and can be done opens up.
Zelensky met with the President of Paraguay in America. Yes, the meeting is useful. Hopefully, the Paraguayan told how during the six years of war in the 19th century, up to 90% of the men of his country were killed, as a result of which, a century and a half later, it remains one of the poorest countries in South America. He can tell Zelensky a lot about how children aged 9 and older were mobilized in that war. Or is Ze already preparing for such a scenario?
You are way off on history. Paraguay was the AGGRESSOR back in the 19th Century. It wanted a direct route to the World Ocean. THIS was why everyone ganged up on its dictator.
I love English people talking about the DDR. They just don't get it. 20:23 Sit down and take a brake. I'll do that for you. forcefully going wrong. Bitter way, but you turned to.
Great to catch notification of this!
cheers from Arkansas, USA. appreciate all of the content Silicon Curtain produces to keep us in the West, truly informed.
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The irony of Putin not wanting Russia to be humiliated again...will of course lead to its humiliation again is monumental.
All this talk about Ukraine having to consider giving up some of their land for the sake of peace is disgusting. The people of Vietnam and Afghanistan didn't toss in the towel. They fought hard and kicked out more powerful invaders. The people of Ukraine have that same courage and will overcome the illegal invasion and destruction of their country. The dithering, hand-wringing and waffle by the political elite of most NATO countries, does not inspire much confidence in that organisation's capacity to ever be able to defend Europe against any invading armies.
I agree
Amen, the administration in the US turns my stomach,
Wonderfull reaction. Thank you.
The very suggestion that Ukraine should even consider giving up one INCH to Russis.. is 1) Just wrong thinking. Ukraine belongs to Ukraine. And 2) Even allowing Russia 1 inch of Ukraine is an encouragement.. the LAST thing one should do to a country who WE KNOW has a plan to march across Europe.
No encouragement.. NOT ONE Inch.. since Russia will not be appeased.
Well there are reasons why Ukraine might want peace and give land to Russia. If all electrical plats get destroyed, and waterpumps get targated, what is being done limited now. Or if west decides to stop giving free stuff to Ukraine. I think many prople undereszimate russia. And about nuks I dont think they will fly couse than even China might go for east Siberia as an excuse. Hard to say Ukraine is already having recruitment problems, and it is fighting country that can just force minorities in to army. This will go on for long time.
Oh this was just wonderful! I could have listened to them for two more hours.
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Top of my notifications 😊 wonderful, thanks Silicon Curtain, Jonathan
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Ir becomes OBVIOUS that the first thing one must do to have success is to comprehend what makes the opposition tick.
Our friend Konstantin (Inside Russia) has been invaluable in helping many Western minds understand Russia and just how the typical Russian mind works.
I find his unique perspective ( East / West blend) to be incredibly useful.
Imho.. it would be wise for some Western " Think Tank" to pluck this brilliant chap out of the backwaters and utilize his grasp of the Russian minset. It never hurts to have a 'Superior Man' in your camp.
Thorough conversation, thank you! I may add that Putin is obsessed by an assumed great Russian empire from the past, implying that Russia can only be Russia as a first rank global player.
Combined with the absence of serious counter play within the Kremlin, this can partly explain Putin's colossal errors of judgment in relation to Ukraine and the West. Remember, during the run up to the invasion Putin was intensively warned by Macron, Scholz and others not to engage in military adventures.
Add to that simple regime survival...what he and his mob Kremlin elites witnessed on the Maidan in 2013/2014 was frightening for them...a Ukraine clearly wanting to move towards Europe and the West, whilst discarding Russian sphere of influence was the real existential threat to Putin and his cronies. They are terrified of a colour revolution...that much was clear in 2012 when Putin and his mob put down growing public protests to his "re-election". Ukrainians don't suffer the same political Apathy that Russians do...they have no interest of being another Belarus...in fact that is exactly what they are fighting for. Ukrainians know that if Russia were to take Kyiv, that is exactly what they would become, another Belarus...although I do believe that Moscow would then have an untenable partisan war on their hands which they do not have the resources to withstand. Russia could never have and will never be able to occupy and subjugate Ukraine...Putin's calculus was and is deeply flawed...and now that he failed to take Kyiv in the first few weeks of his invasion...he's put himself in a corner and he cant back down. Russia simply cannot win this war...Ukraine will never stop fighting.
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32:36 you can insert the USA under trump for russia and putin. trump surrounds himself with radical "yes men" and it is self-destructive eventually. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands are killed, millions traumatized, the nation's wealth is plundered and we are devastated 🥺
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New guest, I love the perspective thank you so much. You never stop amazing me.
Fantastic panel. Thank you.🏴🇨🇦✌️🇺🇦
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Elena really has Putin sussed out, kudos.
So Happy to have this casting from Silicon Curtin, will be listening two times and will read the Comments as I happily hitch along with You All.
Goes without saying , Thank -You and May God Bless Your Circle of Influence.
Ukraine will Define Democracy for the entire Planet 🇨🇦☮️👐👣🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
I like this multiple guest format - besides the impressive depth of intelligence and complimentary breadth of experiencee you all bring to the table, - even you, Jonathan ;) - the next speaker has time to hone the next piece of the puzzle into the exact shape that completes thr picture. Well done.
Thank you Jonathan, for this conversation.
Elena's Tolstoy quote was: "It's smoothly written on paper, but they forgot about the ravines". Referencing Aug. 4th 1855 battle of Fedyukhiny Heights in which Tolstoy was a participant.
Slava Ukraini, Free AZOV, Return the Children, Crimea is Ukraine, RGTFO and VPDFO.
Great channel.
Thank you everybody for this good discussion.
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Yet another absolutely fascinating interview Johnathan. I could have listened to several hours more of this panel.
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This is a fabulous discussion. Content yes, insights. But also a case of the totality of the group is greater than the sum of the parts. Thank you all. And of course, thank you Silicone Curtain!
Brilliant panel and discussion Jonathon!! P will surely go down as the guy who built then destroyed Russia as a great power!
Again and again, gem after gem on your channel. Chapeau!
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this was a great show tonight , 4 super brains together...from ecosse
What a thoroughly fascinating discussion. Thank you
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Bad intelligence, meant to please the president, also is a problem in the US. For instance, take military intelligence of the situation in Afghanistan. Our troops were training Afghani troops to become good fighters, who would become capable of defending the government, after US troops and allied troops left the country. Some intelligence agents on the ground began to express doubts about that program. Such reports were discussed among superior officers. Other agents brought glowing reports of highly promising improvement. Those reports went right up the chain of command and into the hands of the president. Our presidents wanted to believe in handing over responsibility in Afghanistan. The military intelligence agency told the president what he wanted to hear. And that is how it happened, that our military leaders told Biden that the Afghan army could keep the Taliban away for at least six months after Biden ordered final withdrawal. And the Taliban were at the gates of Kabul within two weeks. Biden looked like a fool, because military leaders had told him lies.
No. He was a fool who overrode the Pentagon and more. Fortunately, Harris was the last voice to leave the room.
Trump's exit deal was violated to such a degree -- it was VOID. It had 7 conditions -- the Taliban violated 6 of them.
Yet, ever still, Harris & Coy blame Trump for their colossal boner. Within weeks, Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine -- all the way.
The actual event was delayed to please Xi. This was an epic error -- for Russia -- because the Mud Season started off within weeks.
Say good bye to any mechanized war. Oops! Most of Ukraine does NOT have paved roads. Yes, Ukrainians are that poor. Plus, building roads on top of local soils is very costly and slow. It turns either to mud or ice every year.
The process was already well underway by the time Biden took office. But largely, I agree with your assessment.
would really love to read about this, where did u read about it?
My friend if u invite "Elena to talk" as u did ~5 times then please let "Elena" talk.
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Intelligence and Putin is an oxymoron
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Putin was never a SPY. He was a LIAR. The KGB considers professional liars to be THE highest rank of skill.
This he carries on even now. His ability to spin reality is quite astounding, breathtaking, in fact.
Pitin had an IQ test score of 140+ ie a genius. His latest stunt is learning Chinese. This on top of running the whole show !
Вы ничего не знаете про КГБ
Looking at what actually happened, Boris Johnson certainly thought he was there to get Zelensky out of Ukraine - hence the famous line, "I don't need a ride, I need ammo!" Boris Johnson is very dodgy, he has a history of playing footsie with KGB operatives and their kids, looking at you, "Lord" Lebedev in the House of Lords, that Boris Johnson was warned about, but made him a lotd anyway - Lebedev's father operates a lot of fancy Russian seaside resorts in Crimea 💯👁️👁️
Indeed. Something exceedingly dodgy there.
Putin never played Ice Hockey with his shirt off.
Maybe Ukraine needs to put a price, value, on the land occupied by Russia, and request payment for it should Putin wants to keep it. Then money will be taken from Russia until it is paid.
This is the way hospitals systems are operated
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Interesting...they lack insight...that is one key trait of sociopathy and autocracy.
gosh does that dude every look like clark kent aka superman
Pockets of effectiveness, what a wonderful concept/expression! Special Gulag camps for research/development.
“Sharashka”? From memory, I think that late 1960s English translation of First Circle used “sharashka” or close. Hard to remember spelling in a novel I read over 50 years ago. Amazing I still remember it almost scene by scene. Genuinely great novel, without doubt his best, definitely Nobel quality, followed by Cancer Ward. Tho “One day in the Life ….” Seems more finely crafted, more controlled, and enormously effective. Read it when it came out; I was in high school.
A shame that S. Could be such an arrogant, stereotyping asshole when talking about politics and social life, especially in the West. All of the subtle insights into complexities of human motivations, fears, arrogance, ambitions, courage, cowardice, etc, replaced by absolutist certainties about societies he knew nothing about.
Just because the Soviets would real speak words/concepts like “freedom”, and equality before the law or whatever he despised about The “corrupt” West in the moment, doesn’t mean the concepts and words had no meaning. My direct forebears back to 1770s fought, and in some cases died, literally and self consciously fighting in 6 wars to create and maintain our liberties. This isn’t just fluff. When Lincoln said, in the Gettysburg address, that the (unified) United States was “…the last, best hope of mankind…”) his point was not frothy propaganda defending war conduct, they were the literal truth. The US was the only true democracy in the world (UK expansion universal suffrage followed over next several decades). All other nations were monarchies, dictatorships, or autocracies of some sort. The few partial exceptions, in Latin America, leaned on the US for some protection. The Civil War removed this protection leading to a French army nearing the northern border of the United States, attempting to destroy a real attempt in Mexico to implement popular sovereignty.
But enuf. S. Novels are an exploration of human behavior and sensibility as well as a historical testament. Likewise, the Gulag Archipelago. That is more than enough for ant person to earn my admiration as a human being and artist. Ok, so he was a terribly obtuse social observer/critic.
Globally militaries are most often led by optimists, but operated by pessimists. Multiply by an Autocracy that requires everyone to be an optimist and that’s where a visible gap between what is said and can be done opens up.
Oh there is so much going wrong here.
Can I help you?
Greed and the love of power evaporated all his experience in intelligence 😂😂
Zelensky met with the President of Paraguay in America. Yes, the meeting is useful. Hopefully, the Paraguayan told how during the six years of war in the 19th century, up to 90% of the men of his country were killed, as a result of which, a century and a half later, it remains one of the poorest countries in South America. He can tell Zelensky a lot about how children aged 9 and older were mobilized in that war. Or is Ze already preparing for such a scenario?
You are way off on history. Paraguay was the AGGRESSOR back in the 19th Century. It wanted a direct route to the World Ocean.
THIS was why everyone ganged up on its dictator.
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Yes men as far as the eye can see I’d suggest the west suffers from the same symptoms.🇦🇺🇺🇦🇦🇺🇺🇦🕊🕊🕊🕊
Academics telling us how much they love each other is Nauseating.
I love English people talking about the DDR.
They just don't get it. 20:23
Sit down and take a brake.
I'll do that for you.
forcefully going wrong.
Bitter way, but you turned to.
30:51 Alter Schwede, das brauche ich noch, mir zu verzählen lassen was ich zu tun habe?
Alter geht's noch?
35:10 this guy really belives what hes saying. - wondering