Pekka Kallioniemi (Vatnik Soup) - Follow the Money to See how Russia Poisons the Information Space

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @ninemoonplanet
    @ninemoonplanet Месяц назад +57

    You know you're doing something well when you get liars, grifters, and other scoundrels upset. 💪👍😅

  • @tamarasidlartchouk3138
    @tamarasidlartchouk3138 Месяц назад +111

    Huge gratitude and respect to Pekka Kallioniemi , we need more people like him ! Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦👏✌️♥️

  • @Bob-nd2mr
    @Bob-nd2mr Месяц назад +34

    Independent creators like Jonathan Fink and Pekka Kallioniemi have made the truth easier and more accessable through hard work and their determined and steady output. They have become familiar to us and reliable and interesting as well.
    Being aware and valuing your freedom ...is the opposite to and the remedy for ..ignorance and slavery.

  • @Amalgam86
    @Amalgam86 Месяц назад +12

    Greetings from a Ukrainian reader of Pekka's Twitter treads. As the youth says: let him cook! You have the best guests on your podcast here - keep them coming!

  • @nicolaebulgaru
    @nicolaebulgaru Месяц назад +31

    Good work Pekka and Jonathan!

  • @hansericsson7058
    @hansericsson7058 Месяц назад +51

    Huge respect to both of you from Sweden Slava Ukraini!💙💛

  • @aurelbongers2038
    @aurelbongers2038 Месяц назад +31

    Thanks for your hard work, Pekka!

  • @vladimirnovakovic3495
    @vladimirnovakovic3495 Месяц назад +25

    Very inreresting. Kudos for both Pekka and Jonathan. One thing that needs to be understood in the West is that the best way to fight disinformation (for now) is to decisively attack and interdict the sources of disinformation, financially and not only.

  • @DarkestAlice
    @DarkestAlice Месяц назад +16

    Thank you so much, Jonathan, for inviting Pekka again! Thank you, Pekka, for sharing your experiences on Silicon Curtain. Wonderful conversation. Looking forward receiving your book in my mailbox! Great - congratulations on publishing it. Keep bonking. Thank you, for all that you do.
    🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦

  • @pcread
    @pcread Месяц назад +65

    I'm half British, half Finnish and my grandfathers fought (technically) on opposite sides, but I'm obviously immensely proud of both. My Finnish family always spoke disparagingly about Ryssä and I have as a consequence always been very sceptical about their intentions. Finland suffered from decades of media manipulation even from within it's own broadcasters and newspapers. A malign influence that was, at that time denied, yet later proven. If anyone knows what Moscow is capable of, it's the Finns, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles and, of course, Ukrainians.

    • @Broken_robot1986
      @Broken_robot1986 Месяц назад +1

      What's your third half?

    • @georgek1234
      @georgek1234 Месяц назад

      Russia has a firm grip on our media here in Canada as well... I'm sick and tired of hearing CBC radio news reports starting off with "Russia says..." Russia lies about everything... why do we repeat what they say? from Ontario, Canada, Slava Ukraïni!

    • @mrcrally263
      @mrcrally263 Месяц назад +13

      For sure man. Ukraine and Baltic's know how Ruzzian Mir looks like, but Finnish people know that being neutral didn't stopped KGB to successfully infiltrate your government and despite that Warsaw pact was training for invasion of Finland 🤯

    • @AnnaSibirskaja
      @AnnaSibirskaja Месяц назад +14

      There are over 160 nationalities enslaved by Moscow. Many of those are getting killed off in this war.

    • @doktorhabilitowanystanczyk
      @doktorhabilitowanystanczyk Месяц назад

      your grandfather fought for the nazis dude 😂

  • @benjohnson1670
    @benjohnson1670 Месяц назад +7

    Excellent interview. Thank you! Slava Ukraini!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇨🇦✌️🇺🇦

  • @Save_UA
    @Save_UA Месяц назад +9

    Pekka, you are a strong personality. Huge respect 👏🙏🩵💛

  • @k.h.599
    @k.h.599 Месяц назад +9

    I've ordered the book allready!👍 😃

  • @danielmcinnes20
    @danielmcinnes20 Месяц назад +3

    Excellent video as always!!! Thank you Johnathan!!! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!!!

  • @susansprague7304
    @susansprague7304 Месяц назад +7

    Such an excellent convo by such excellent fellas! Thank you and congratulations, Pekka, on the book!

  • @Espiritu-o7x
    @Espiritu-o7x Месяц назад +7

    Because of Putler … Sweden is presently teaching young school children on how to specifically spot Russian propaganda in life. Every country should follow Sweden in this important regard.
    🇺🇦

  • @mariabengtssonviking
    @mariabengtssonviking Месяц назад +4

    Pekka is a Soumilainen Heroym🇫🇮 💙✊🖖🇸🇪🇩🇰🇳🇴🇮🇸🇪🇺🖖🇺🇦

  • @PedroFerreira-ze5yp
    @PedroFerreira-ze5yp Месяц назад +1

    OUTSTANDING interview! Pekka is amazing!

  • @robm.4512
    @robm.4512 Месяц назад +4

    Thank you both, Jonathan and Pekka, for your tireless work to remove the veils from the Russian infiltration that is now afflicting our societies at their weakest point, the right that people who live in freedom and democracy have to speak freely.
    I have the greatest respect for the efforts that you both make to educate and inform.
    Keep safe and well.
    Cheers, R. 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇦

    • @sweetvictory5643
      @sweetvictory5643 Месяц назад

      The Russians already have been doing it for many decades. Like sending operatives to universities on student visas to influence future government employees. In fact, I know one in Canada who was a student and recruited by such operatives became communist in 1967, visited Moscow in 1968 where was recruited by KGB. And lately he has been spreading Kremlin's lies about Ukrainians. I'm certain he has been getting paid since he bragged about 2 luxury cars he purchased.

  • @k.h.599
    @k.h.599 Месяц назад +4

    Thank you both! ❤

  • @follow_the-truth
    @follow_the-truth Месяц назад +5

    Thank you both for the incredibly importand work you do.

  • @madeleinesuzette
    @madeleinesuzette Месяц назад +3

    Thanks Johnathan, Thanks Pekka ✅👍
    Congratulations 🥳Hope your book 📚 enlightens the masses!!

  • @ChristinaMuzzu
    @ChristinaMuzzu Месяц назад +5

    Yeaaaaay, VS is back on SC!!! 🎉

  • @timmommens901
    @timmommens901 Месяц назад +14

    🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦✌✌🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
    Ohhhh NAFO....... 😊

  • @klarinuskuipers8999
    @klarinuskuipers8999 Месяц назад +1

    Important topic! Concise statements 🙏

  • @TheodoreTsikis
    @TheodoreTsikis Месяц назад +3

    Great work!

  • @foobarf8766
    @foobarf8766 Месяц назад +2

    On the other side of the world here (New Zealand) and I'm grateful for Pekka's work, thank you Pekka. It's harder to know when so far away, and Kim Dotcom's presence here always stunk like hell.

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад +2

      Any news on Kim? Is he still in NZ?
      He seems to hate NZ but at the same time he does not want to lose his residence permit 😂
      Where are his ex and kids? Facebook removed his account about a month ago. But the next day he opened a new account with the same name "Kim Dotcom"!
      Facebook is useless.

    • @foobarf8766
      @foobarf8766 Месяц назад +1

      @@Pippie5555 he sold his mansion and moved south last I heard, he might have another extradition trial soon or something not sure exactly

    • @foobarf8766
      @foobarf8766 Месяц назад +1

      @@Pippie5555 I read his Philippino wife left him but he found another pretty quick not sure of whereabouts .He got involved in politics here yep and Snowden even supported him it was wild, but they didn't get close to any parliament seat luckily

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад

      @@foobarf8766 Thanks for the update. So he is still in New Zealand. Kick him out 😂
      He tried to befriend me on Facebook, but no thanks, you don't know what they are capable of these Russians.
      Snowdon is stuck in Russia, his lawyers are trying anything to get him out.
      Last week he was speaking up for TikTok and Telegram for the right to have freedom of speech 🤣🤣
      He seems to forget that Russia has banned Facebook, Instagram, RUclips and VPNs!
      Wonder when he gets mobilized? 😁

  • @carolyngarman1422
    @carolyngarman1422 Месяц назад +3

    Great broadcast!

  • @searchingforsanity4170
    @searchingforsanity4170 Месяц назад +2

    Missed this first time around. Good work.

  • @PandemoniumMeltDown
    @PandemoniumMeltDown Месяц назад +3

    I never managed to finish your video, sorry, I'll have to take a rain check, yes, it rains here, but it's because I started binging Pekka's channel and his soup is soooo good! Hard to stop.

  • @lailaking1041
    @lailaking1041 Месяц назад +1

    Pekka Kallioniemi - a fellow countryman from Finland! 🇫🇮

  • @RogerK9883
    @RogerK9883 Месяц назад +12

    Why can't we just require bots to identify themselves.
    Legally we have KYC or Know Your Customer. It's required.
    Why not bots?

  • @petervanderwoude6316
    @petervanderwoude6316 Месяц назад +8

    I doubt viewers/listeners are getting tired. I watch about 6 content makers since more or less the beginning of the full scale invasion. 2 years ago that took 3 hours, now often more than 8. At times I have to be selective and skip stuff.

    • @proselytizingorthodoxpente8304
      @proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Месяц назад

      My interest, and the media I follow that features news on Ukraine, has only grown. Which often means I'm unable to listen to everything I would otherwise have listened to

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад +1

      Same here, I don't watch anything else but news about Ukraine. No movies, no Netflix.
      I am still shocked how we in 2024 can have a war in Europe! I actually thought it would never happen again.

  • @jansundvall2082
    @jansundvall2082 Месяц назад +1

    We who were born during the Cold War learnt that Russian (Soviet) disinformation and propaganda have many faces and are nestled in the most unforeseen contexts and forms and to be alert.
    I give all support to those who disclose all Russian subversive work on all levels.
    Слава Україна from Sweden. 🇺🇦🇸🇪

  • @RichardLady
    @RichardLady Месяц назад +4

    Great show and Thanks for showing The Russian propaganda at work . Glory to Ukraine. Vote Harris & Waltz if you stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦❤️✌🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад

      Russian brainwashing and disinformation need to be stopped.

  • @adamski-l5w
    @adamski-l5w Месяц назад +6

    Vatnik Soup website is great. Depressingly funny, depressing nonetheless. But that’s not Pekka’s fault it’s the subject matter. It absolutely needs exposing. Pekka makes it funny to ease the experience for the reader.

  • @fauvetnoir
    @fauvetnoir Месяц назад

    Thank you guys for the work you do. It is very important for fighting disinformation and keeping the message for Ukraine fresh.

  • @KathrynKlos
    @KathrynKlos Месяц назад +1

    A book I’ll have to get. Thank you

  • @ohiampuja9246
    @ohiampuja9246 Месяц назад +1

    Nice to know about Vatnik Soup as a Finn....will be followed.....

  • @hififlipper
    @hififlipper Месяц назад +3

    Thank you so much for the wonderful conversation. Austria is about to re-electing the nazi party today, that want to lift sanctions tomorrow. Lansky and Wehrschuetz are not the worst people there, one is a journalist, the other is a lawyer, both trying to do their jobs in the most corrupt environment. Its the people themselves who are over de-sensitized by a country that only has ONE major (mad) newspaper. It is like the North Korea of Europe. A golden prison of false pride and single wisdoms. All trouble is due to that fact, that Austria hates to read all news, but especially about its history and its responsibility. The Russians have been quite active for decades, made their own citys, publishing under government control. All parties are involved. They have no single voice left.

    • @SiliconCurtain
      @SiliconCurtain  Месяц назад +1

      Interesting and terrifying. My grandparents say the rise of the Nazis in Vienna and managed to escape to Britain. I’ve been tracking MAGA in the US and Russia since 2014, and there are some significant similarities.

    • @hififlipper
      @hififlipper Месяц назад

      @@SiliconCurtain yihas my father managed somhow to return to sender...it were good years until 2000 before Wolfgang Schüssel made Haider and his party their junior partner and for the first time a well known far right a government. They managed nothing but to fail back into opposition and hope is, they will do that again, but it was the peoples party that made it possible under sanctions of every other of tve 14 EU members back then. Also the social democrats didn't help while having some of their worst people in a row for a leader. The actual man was a red hearted major and people liked him. But they seem to like Putin propaganda and false information about Corona and Ukraine more.

  • @MrZjohnnyz
    @MrZjohnnyz Месяц назад +10

    thank you from the netherlands

  • @Calligraphybooster
    @Calligraphybooster Месяц назад +3

    Thank you both so very much, gentlemen.
    Indeed, we can and must all use our talents and means to make the lies and the violence russia pours into this world stop, but also see where we can better ourselves.
    There will however remain people that enjoy complaining, that
    remain gullible to every silly conspiracy theory and just love being enraged. They were always there, and for ever will be, alas.

  • @Ollies2CentsWardill
    @Ollies2CentsWardill Месяц назад +3

    I'm surprised Neil Oliver never get's mentioned. He passes himself off as Mr Sincere, a truly concerned citizen, but even a cursory examination of his content points to someone who just loves pushing conspiracy theories and very keen on selling the "everyone is lying to you" attitude that Russia is so fervently aiming for.

  • @nmadjarac
    @nmadjarac 3 дня назад

    Thank you Pekka!

  • @deanejoyce5393
    @deanejoyce5393 Месяц назад +7

    Maybe we need a flat earther in the Biden Administration and that way supplies would get to Ukraine faster?🤔🤔😂

  • @Puleczech
    @Puleczech Месяц назад

    Well done, man!

  • @c0nham
    @c0nham Месяц назад

    Great

  • @winny4765
    @winny4765 Месяц назад +11

    divide and rule ! The old Romans knew it quite well, as did Machiavelli. The USA and Russia acted accordingly in EU matters.😤

    • @martinsweeney7633
      @martinsweeney7633 Месяц назад +1

      False equivalently at best

    • @winny4765
      @winny4765 Месяц назад +1

      @@martinsweeney7633 Really ? 🥸Better think twice .

    • @18_rabbit
      @18_rabbit Месяц назад

      @@winny4765 yes really, middle aged yank here who had always been a typical american, unconsciously sympathetic to ru/ussr, yet plainly aware of actual history. There is NO comparison between US relationship w EU and Eu nations, and ru's relations with anyone, namely EU matters. Ru is the only nation on earth with its entire modus is not a political nation, it's as Satter says, a 'movement': Ru only is a thing bcuz of the stability provided by having the only large intell/secret-police org being relied on for all controls. Started sooo long ago and is now a very sophisticated machine. The world is wising up, since the very essence of the global economy is under medium and longterm threat by RU's ideas & related actions. game is over almost.

    • @winny4765
      @winny4765 Месяц назад +1

      @@18_rabbit 100% wrong. Quite old here, German, fighting for freedom and democracy, equality of humans, and opposing imperialism of which colour ever,
      The old rule is, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. God help us, when in November Mr.Trump and the Putin regime reign the world. As a German I know only too well how propaganda can manipulate people and how much time and energy must be invested in order to create an open minded population. Mind you, the Russian people has NEVER been a truly democratic people. But is that really the aim of imperialistic governments ? I am really worried what the future will bring to all of us. Good night.

  • @aiden1156
    @aiden1156 Месяц назад +1

    Like!

  • @WalterBurton
    @WalterBurton Месяц назад +1

    👍👍👍

  • @UndercoverPirate69
    @UndercoverPirate69 Месяц назад

    Pekkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    I've been NAFO from the early start. Most of us are just ordinary people. Technicians, administrative workers, doctors, (former) military, police, dock workers, unemployed, winners, losers, everybody

  • @doktorhabilitowanystanczyk
    @doktorhabilitowanystanczyk Месяц назад +1

    The USA does the same, where is the outrage?

  • @mariabengtssonviking
    @mariabengtssonviking Месяц назад +1

    Viborg was technically Swedish, just like Finland 🤔, just kidding with my Finnish brothers and sisters 😊😅🇸🇪🖖🇫🇮
    In Scandinavia we are our own countries and we should respect each other, but cooperate like family members 🖖, Slava Ukraine and democracy ✊🖖🇺🇦

  • @arek7198
    @arek7198 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you very much for this very good material. Auchan King about some ideas and will contact you in some time.

  • @ValSyv
    @ValSyv Месяц назад +4

    SLAVA UKRAINE !

  • @sciencetechnology9167
    @sciencetechnology9167 Месяц назад

    In the EU, the Austrian "Freedom" party, whose founders are former SS officers, entered into an agreement with the "United Russia" party. Unity comes from the Italian word fascio, a bunch.

  • @stevenjohns-savage7024
    @stevenjohns-savage7024 Месяц назад

    GRRR 😡. Follow the Yellow Brick Road 😡

  • @Hawk006
    @Hawk006 Месяц назад +2

    So, now that we know, what are we going to do about it?

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад +1

      No. But it needs to stop. People get brainwashed every day.

  • @СтасГайсан-ц6ж
    @СтасГайсан-ц6ж Месяц назад +1

    They doing this for years.

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад

      Yes, I think since 2014 where they prepared to mingle in the American election two years later.

  • @mauriceyolles7016
    @mauriceyolles7016 Месяц назад +1

    It is not totally true that the EU does not put money into countering disinformation. While it does not appear to have a counter disinformation unit, it does seem to fund such activities at a relatively low level through projects like Horizon However, I doubt that these projects are coordinated.

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад

      I wish America would do it too.
      Russia has had much luck dividing the Americans. Russian troII farms were involved in BLM and every demonstration there has been in recent times.

  • @sweetvictory5643
    @sweetvictory5643 Месяц назад +2

    Many Russian propaganda channels use pictures and videos of beautiful young women as if the authors of those channels to influence male viewers. And many men fall for it...

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад

      Yes.
      2/3 of what I am getting on Facebook now is Russian propaganda and disinformation.
      3 Years ago it was said that 80,000 people worked for Russian troII farms, often people from Africa.
      Today it may be even more.

  • @mhenkka
    @mhenkka Месяц назад

    Russia and China are already getting ready for the window of opportunity if DT becomes president. Slava Ukraini!

  • @pontusmalmstrom1055
    @pontusmalmstrom1055 Месяц назад

    Sadly, in thirteen days, a mere 17 thousand people have watched this. I will do whatever little I can, to spread the news about this important work.

  • @peterhostettler-vf5qg
    @peterhostettler-vf5qg Месяц назад

    Great report! About Christian Wehrschütz, see Wikipedia about him, tells all...

  • @Eekolooginen
    @Eekolooginen Месяц назад

    Hyvä Pekka!

  • @agustinussiahaan6669
    @agustinussiahaan6669 Месяц назад

    Thank you Jonathan and Pekka.
    Is there any possibility that one of the soups has been cooked on the ICC?

  • @mariabengtssonviking
    @mariabengtssonviking Месяц назад +1

    Jonathan, you are missing that the people who got paid by Tenet media have their own channels and podcasts, and the clips they got money for are also broadcasted on the other platforms..... that's a part of the scam....

  • @MarcRademacher
    @MarcRademacher Месяц назад +1

    What you are getting wrong…
    Tim Pool is not getting paid for the few videos with minimum views!!
    He got paid through the small videos to do propaganda on his videos!
    A bit like former politicians. They don’t get paid millions for a speech given at a convention, it’s just the most elegant way to funnel money their way!

    • @Pippie5555
      @Pippie5555 Месяц назад +1

      Yes AfD in Germany also got caught red-handed.

  • @RobertTapia
    @RobertTapia Месяц назад

    Millions of "user-x-xxxxx" bots with months on activity and political divide strategy.

  • @medeology4660
    @medeology4660 Месяц назад

    I watch less Ukraine news now, true. But I don't care less, and I don't allow myself "fatigue", I am now involved in local ukrainian groups and projects in my country, doing rallies, donation drives. I donate the same or more money, but directly through trusted channels. I've reached B1 level in Ukrainian 🎉 so yes, less involved online, but forever changed as a person. Я з Україною, повністю, назавжди, і все буде Україна, як моє серце.

    • @medeology4660
      @medeology4660 Месяц назад

      That said, I watch all your interviews, even if it's not always on day of release. Thank you for this extraordinary library you're creating.

  • @dka618
    @dka618 Месяц назад

    maybe Ukraine needs to put a price, value, on the land occupied by Russia, and request payment for it should Putin wants to keep it. Then money will be taken from Russia until it is paid.

    • @xYarbx
      @xYarbx Месяц назад

      That's a shit idea. To basically force Ukraine into buyout. How would you feel if government came to your home forced you out and told you they would drip feed you the payment. That would be the fate of millions of Ukrainians not to mention that you could still move borders by force if you had the money to cover it.

  • @ragincaucasian9209
    @ragincaucasian9209 Месяц назад

    who isn't poisoning the information space

  • @WalterBurton
    @WalterBurton Месяц назад

    Pekka!

  • @marietg8025
    @marietg8025 Месяц назад

    I wish you'd make Ukrainian subtitles for my friends

  • @evatanen
    @evatanen Месяц назад

    Torille!

  • @ZabZab-s3i
    @ZabZab-s3i Месяц назад

    Something iffy about him

  • @kostyac6411
    @kostyac6411 Месяц назад

    "Fighting russian ppropaganda" said the western propagandist

  • @user-he4ue6is7k
    @user-he4ue6is7k Месяц назад

    Pekka could do a lot better job if he learned to check facts

  • @joyholtzhausen8976
    @joyholtzhausen8976 Месяц назад

    They learned well from American media

  • @timmommens901
    @timmommens901 Месяц назад +6

    27:55 funny... in a certain form of arguing on YT comments with USA based pro russian often Trump supporters a very effective stop question... Flatearther ? .... then the sound of silence .... 😂😊

  • @davidperini5002
    @davidperini5002 Месяц назад

    Le dittature sono così

  • @AnnaSibirskaja
    @AnnaSibirskaja Месяц назад +1

    36:22 Sweden may also put a claim on certain territories. And why not on the whole Russia's origin story 😎 💙💛

  • @danielmcinnes20
    @danielmcinnes20 Месяц назад +5

    Excellent video as always!!! Thank you Johnathan!!! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!!!

  • @ValSyv
    @ValSyv Месяц назад +3

    SLAVA UKRAINE!

  • @danielmcinnes20
    @danielmcinnes20 Месяц назад +1

    Excellent video as always!!! Thank you Johnathan!!! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦!!!