Prologue Script REVEALS Shaw's Death & Why David Killed Engineers
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Today we’re gonna talk about Alien Covenant prologue script that reveals how did Elizabeth Shaw died or more specifically How did David killed her, which are crusial detail left unexplained in alien covenant. The prologue script was not included in the full alien covenant script beacause it was a part of the special material so it took a while to find it. After watching alien covenenat many of us had questions like why shaw assembled David dispite the fact he tried to kill her in prometheus, why did she trust him, what happened between David and Shaw which led to her death and touches on David killing the engineers like being in on the planet 4 . The main script doesn’t answers these questions, but luckly the prologue script absolutely does and it makes sense because shaw’s death and engineer bombing happened in the prologue and not in the film.
The prologue that we’ve seen is actually a short version of what ’s in the script. First of all Shaw brought David in the juggernaut because he knew how to control the ship and set the destination course to the engineer world.
At the beginning of the script Shaw records a transmission explaining what happened to her and where she's going, sort of short summary of Prometheus.
We believed our species have been created by an alien race. We called them the Engineers.We found what we believed was proof of their existence. A map to their home. We thought they wanted us to come find them. We were wrong.The map only led to an outpost, full of biological weapons. Weapons our creators had intended... for us.Three days after we made first contact, the Prometheus was destroyed. All hands were lost.The mission’s android, David, was damaged, but with his help, I was able to activate one of their ships and escape. We set a new course. For their homeworld.
Two months into our journey, David became... unstable. I found him trying to reassemble himself. I believed I was in danger.I’ve been alone ever since.
So about two months after the departure from lv 223 Shaw still doesn’t trust David and doesn’t want to repair him which is what we would expect since David tried to kill her in Prometheus. But then things get a bit more interesting when David's consciousness is about to permanently disappear.
I appreciate that. I just wanted to say goodbye. I don’t have much time. Without my power systems connected, my consciousness will soon fail.
A long, snaking, tendril-like CABLE extends from the SHIP, reaching out, tethering to DAVID’S BROKEN BODY, ATTACHING.
Then the script jumps to the scene that we saw in the prologue - Shaw repairing David.
The script explains that Shaw was feeling very isolated after spending months alone in the ship which is why she saved David, the closest resemblance of human interaction that she could get.
In other words, David manipulated her emotion in order to stay alive as he said himself he is able to understand human emotions but no to feel them.
The entire floor and front bulkhead shimmer and become transparent and we see-- THE ENGINEER HOMEWORLD. The sight is OVERWHELMING. A HYPERCIVILIZATION in its flower. ROME just before the fall. The planet is a close cousin to Earth. Swathed in clouds, oceans an odd metallic blue. But the entire planet is ENCIRCLED with a HUGE, CONSTRUCTED RING, and the space around the ring is THICK with OVOID ENGINEER CRAFT, orders of magnitude larger than David and Shaw’s stolen dreadnought…
it’s mentioned that All that Time that David was with her in the Ship he was just playing human in order to manipulate Elizabeth, and now he openly persue his dark and evil plans, which consists of destroying engineer planet and creating xenomorph eggs using Shaw’s dead body.
Right after killing Shaw David says mentions his prior dialogue with
He looms over Elizabeth and says
“To what do you aspire” is the correct grammar, by the way.
which is areference to this dialogue they had previously
“Better to rein in Hell, then serve in Heaven.”
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He understood human emotions but can’t feel them... a true psychopath
or a true MACHINE
Yeah he pretty much was a definition of a complete psychopath. At least he had an excuse he was artificial My ex was a sociopath and just chose to be that way No joke.
@@BJETNT Some of them run for office...
@@BJETNT Psychopaths are born. Sociopaths are made. Strangely enough, those behaviors also tie into narcissism. Narcissism can be inherited, and that is quite frightening.
Sociopath*
I feel like a movie with Shaw and David finding the engineers was suppose to be the sequel to Prometheus rather than Covenant
Righttt I thought that would be the plot before watching Covenant. So disappointed because I love her character and David already.
Right
@@gustavocring1914
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It was, the studio made Ridley change it.
@@clarkkent3809
thats fucked. They should allow artists as succesfull as Ridley to make what they want, they keep trying to pander to a wide audience so that everyone can go and watch it, they make it all about money when this could of been a masterpiece spoken about for decades to come.
Ah well, maybe in the next few decades Ridley or someone will make a movie that does justice to this concept.
"As a robot, I can't feel emotions, and that makes me very sad"
- Bender Bending Rodriguez
Just saw this last night lol
It took me a second to get the joke lol, nice one
Lmao
"We love you bender!"
*SHUT UP BABY I KNOW IT*
😂😂
She had a lot of potential as a character and it would have been cool to see her explore the galaxy and pick apart Engineer lore, visiting ruins and other planets they had influence on. Killing her off was just so lazy and wasteful for a character with so much potential.
And her learning the engineer technology
Sounds like it would of made a good rpg too
Just like Newt and Hicks. Alien franchise has a bad habit of killing off great characters off screen.
@@Dreamingofyou317 Man give me that game. A No Mans Sky but in this universe would be fascinating
I don't know what Scott was thinking; made a right hash of it all. What a wasted opportunity for an epic!
Killing off Shaw was the worst decision. She was the only interesting character besides David. I went to see Covenant bc I was hoping she’d be in it.
Dan N Noomi Rapace announced early on that she wasn’t going to be in it.
She believed in false idols and a false religion. She deserved to go.
@@PrinceZappa yeah sure thing
@@PrinceZappa so what is the real religion in the movie or who are the real gods? They don't really explain that they just show us engineers but who created them?
@@Faxy95 Ya know Daddy Engineer from the first movie, the original space jockey... yeah he did it. He created the universe and the other engineers.
Why do the engineers look like handsome squidward
Well because handsome squidward looks like the ancient sculptures of grecco-roman culture.
69th like. Giggity giggity
🤣😂😆
Nah they look like that one dude from the Miss Spider's Tea Party book!
fuck sake lmfao
Shaw 's death Is the most anticlimatic thing in cinema history but also an excuse to not continue the research of the engenerings plot 😑
At least since the offscreen deaths of Hicks and Newt... I sense a pattern.
Thats so true. In the end i feel like the writers bit off more than they could chew. By showing eveything they did, it would come with immense amounts of explaining about another race. But then they were like "yeaahh fck that, we arent going to explain a whole race, honestly we JuSt LIke 2 SeE ALieNs FiGht" so they got lazy, tore apart thier own plot by killing a huge main character and just destroying this whole "new race" idea by haveing David be on his superiorty complex Bullshit. Im telling you now, i firmly believe they realised they bit off more than they could chew and just got lazy and needed an excuse to dismantle all that crap
@@aMindSetFree They basically had to take this route, they gotta make money, they chose aliens over the engineers. Can't necessarily blame them, if they made a movie surrounded mostly around David, Shaw and the engineers it basically would've flopped, but when you throw aliens into the mix now you got seller 💰
@@Young_Dab I agree but it's a shame how people are so narrow minded.
I wonder if it was Ridley Scotts choice or a studio that got meddlesome, that just wanted another Aliens movie.
Those where not the Engineers. They looked like a cross between us and Them, so most likely another world they started life on and where a religion formed around the Engineers. Thats the reason they were so 'happy' to see the ship - 'God' was returning.
Whoa dude, that is a great theory
I assumed this as well
Interesting, but then why did the "cross breed" uses the what supposedly a god ship?
That makes sense, those buildings didnt seem to match the ship and docking station
That's what I had thought it was too. They created multiple worlds, like that was their attempt to make a better version than humans
No one can replace Noomi Rapace as Shaw's character. It was so spectacularly perfect for her!
Honestly perfect casting, she was amazing.. well up there with Ripley
Wait what? She is boring as fuck, the lame girl next door type.
She was def underused throughout her peak
@@SOLIDIUS36She’s a dope ass actor! I honestly first noticed her in a movie she did with Colin Farrell where she’s his neighbor in an apartment complex across the street & she has a burned scar on her face affecting her confidence & Colin is on a revenge mission in a very good action movie but that was my 1st time noticing her & then she just killed it in every movie she did. Even in smaller films where she’s the leading main role? She kills all of performances. I like her a lot. Lol. That girl can act her ass off real talk 👍👍👍💯💯💯
She is dead for good.
David becomes arrogantly self-aware, resents having been a slave with superior intelligence, and decides to become a god in his own right.
Sounds like a decent guy
Sounds like humans lol
Homelander: "That guy is the real hero."
We all have dumb ass bosses
@Psi You don't know his life
I agree with James Cameron in regards to killing off a central character/ narrator like Shaw. It disrupts any momentum the audience had in discovering more. Resetting the narrative through the eyes of a bunch of settlers is like taking the forks and knives away from a fine dining experience,
James Cameron is a legend director, he however is a terrible writer so I don’t take anything he has to say about narratives seriously. Edit (Ok then, allow me to explain, killing off Shaw is a mistake as it doesn't allow the audience to follow a center figure, it is done to show how off track David is, Its a cheap way to build developmental I do admit)
@@darktirkd7395 I have to disagree. Shaw was a great character and dumping her for a new cast of expendable characters made you not really care what happens to them was one of the biggest flaws in Alien Covenant. Cameron has his screw-ups but that doesn't make him wrong about the choice to kill off Shaw.
@@darktirkd7395 Well, Cameron wrote T1, T2, Aliens, The Abyss and many more movies. He also wrote the Script for Rambo 2. What makes him a "bad" writer in your opinion?
@DarkTirk D I mean is he wrong though, was covenant a well written story 😂
@@darktirkd7395Cameron is a great writer for getting the basics right. That’s why many of his films are successful.
Also if you notice. Shaws repairing David out of loneliness is not too dissimilar from the engineers wanting to create humans because they couldn't reproduce
What? Engineers couldn’t reproduce?
Warning: 2001 Space Odyssey possible spoiler incoming. Continue reading at your own discretion…..
The lonely engineer theory reminds me of the monolith aliens from 2001. They were just lonely and evolved other species hoping to get to their level.
Engineers can't reproduce? Source?
Neither of those theory’s make sense
They could reproduce where are you getting your bs from?
@@brix5438 No they can't, they lost their ability due to some problems, or maybe due to evolution..!
It kinda makes sense, that's why they created life in every planet from starting, not by just throwing some people of their kind
im mad at two things here.... that shaw was robbed of her chance for answers and the fact the writers let it happen. smh thank you for the reveil.
braddream7777 yeah, she didn’t deserve to die this way
@@kroft_movies good or bad news we want to hear keep em coming :) thank you brother. shaw was our Ripley and they took that from us. yall should do a rewite id watch.
THIS. She went through so much crap during 'Prometheus'. She deserved those answers.
did the viewers get any answers?
I had to search for the deleted script from Prometheus to find something, the two movies sure as fuck didn't give me anything
@@Lucas-jq6kk the answer was implied, not explicitly explained.
The human race is a failed creation, the engineers realized that if left to our own device, we'd sooner or later bring destruction to universe, including the engineers themselves. And they were proven right
the bombing looked like a double helix just like DNA
Brian Carpenter exactly.
Yeah it was supposed to.
Yes...... it's not really subtle.....
That's awesome, I never realised that
I was just about to post this same comment. Glad to see someone else noticed this too.
The reason these movies haven't been well-received is because they cut out stuff like THIS!
After watching Prometheus again one scene really stood out. It was when they were departing the cargo (~27:15) and Holloway asks David "Why are you wearing a suit?", referring to his body suit. There's a little dialogue between but David eventually replies "I was designed like this because you people are more comfortable interacting with your own kind." And David's reply, to me, was referring to his own body (skin/biology/etc) seeing himself as just as suit and not being human at all, foreshadowing his dark nature. It reminded me of American Psycho, in which Patrick Bateman said " though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping you and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there."
Good spot. Now you mention it, it was odd.
Contact with Jodie Foster’s dad was similar. It was just the most useful metaphor to communicate through.
Nice comparison.
After that Holloway says "they make you guys pretty close huh"? And David says. Not too. Close I hope. Which to me. Was David's way of showing disdain and hatred for his human creators and always thinking he was better than them
David was definitely a different beast than what he physically appeared as. A malevolent creature in a human looking package.
I haven't seen American Phsycho yet, but shouldn't a psychopath be unable to comprehend another person's point of view, as they lack empathy?
It's a great quote, though, and that movie is definitely on my list of need to watch movies.
She could've easily reattached his head to his torso, but removed his arms and legs.
The Only smart person alive here 😁👍
Maybe the gluteus maximus was a better position to reattach his head.
He could headbutt bite her and use his legs to break her neck etc
@@nickmattio3397 How if he wouldnt have legs?
Could bite her to death
David: “I loved [Shaw].”
(Proceeded to manipulate her emotions long enough for him to kill her, and use her corpse for his experiments)
David wept. He's not faking it. He didn't want elizabeth to be like him, slaving for her maker. She is after all the image of the humanity he didn't receive from his maker.
David didn’t want her to b a slave to her maker, no he just wanted to kill her and use her body to make killermorphs instead, far better
@@sarahgreen8409 far better to craft her into something perfect, after all the xenomorphs are referred to as perfect beings or perfect killers over and over in the series
@@BlackRavenFeather565 David is fucked in the head. Shaw should have left him to rot in that planet.
I fcken hate how they didn't show Shaw and David interactions after Prometheus...
Why tf did they think it was cool to just skip thru
This breaks my heart to know that that's how shaw died. I really thought david felt compassionate towards her because she helped him despite of what he did to her husband. She was such a a great character most of us have grown a fond of. The writers really did a dark and twisted part of this franchise.
Compassion is such a human emotion, hah.
I thought he used her to breed an alien
It’s a fantasy sci fi movie, lol and your heart breaks for her🤨? Okayyyyy
@@chrisloesch1870it is a hallmark of human kind and probably the future of it with david as AI..
Watch behind the category of the movie..
Its art.. massive amount of hard work..and collaboration of initiated very smart people 😊
Shaw could have died of complications from the "squid" pregnancy of Prometheus.
Could have happened just as she was about to contact the engineers.
Or perhaps the engineers do not respond or even reject Shaw's attempts to communicate recognizing the signs of infection.
Shaw begins to fall ill after months in space fighting alien infection.
Then begins to die right at the moment of contact.
David asks the engineers to help Shaw, which they refuse.
Just as Shaw dies and he releases the weapon on the engineer colony.
To completely eliminate Elizabeth Shaw from Covenenant the way Ridley did was a huge blunder.
That's an interesting theory.
@@siriusnoir2995 better than what we got.
Complete bullshit
Noomi Rapace deserved better.
Stupid script.
That would have been far preferable to what I just heard in this video... I officially have no faith left in Ridley Scott when it comes to the ALIEN franchise.
that is exactly what i expected from the trailer. but no.... they have just hate all AI,
@@refurbishedtechpriest9076 you can directly blame the movie going public which is so completely dumbed down that it didn't grasp the fact that AP was a sci fi/action movie which also asked some pretty deep philosophical questions. I mean it wasn't like the questions/topics it raised were particularly subtle either, I mean we got beat over the head throughout the movie with the whole theme of creator/created, why would a god grow to despise or want to destroy its creations and vice versa. But 90% of the idiots who saw the film were just like...deeerrrpppp where were the aliens?
Since David used Shaw's body to create his Xenomorph eggs, we can say Shaw really was in a way the first Xenomorph queen.
Do you think he only boned her missionary style or do you think he slipped it in the brown eye sometimes?
I know 3 year old comment but still interesting i think : David didn't create the xenomorphs... their is a mural of them in prometheus. Other thing is the "larval" form of the xeno david created isn't at all the same as the one in Alien
@@fixo5132 that is the deacon, the deacon was found by the engineers but the xenomorphs were created by david (including the facehuggers at the end of prometheus)
@@vatanak8146 nah you can clearly see the chest burster isn't the same as the OG alien. He probably created an advanced form of xenomorph. The deacon isn't what is depicted on the mural since it's a very weird and complex creation that includes the birth of a giant face hugger from a female human and also an engineer...
Long before David predators were hunting aliens for sport. I wonder If those parts are not canon anymore. Because alien seems too advanced to be created by a single person experimenting with limited resources and almost no equipment. Weyland and yutani was seeking alien like a mad man. All of their bioweapons division couldn't come close to it even with unlimited resources...
I love the irony of the writer having David correct Shaw’s grammar, then he goes and spells reign incorrectly.
I love the irony of David correcting Shaws grammar, then being corrected by (forget his name) the other android about giving the wrong name for the quote he (David) said while killing the Engineers.
@@johnbaca80 Maybe the "Rein in hell" thing was more of David's corrupted literature databank.
Oh wow. This is so disappointing when I have a different theory about David-Shaw.
I thought David, who was capable of having emotions (he only knew one while serving Weyland: hatred) and suddenly being shown kindness and compassion by Shaw, learnt love. Not in the deeper way of love, but in a sense of being treated like another human being.
And I thought Shaw was sick when she got into the hypersleep chamber, she looked pale and sickly. My theory was, she was already infected by the black goo while carrying the trilobyte in her womb. And the mutation occured in the hypersleep chamber, and she died.
I see the experiment David did on Shaw's dead and possibly mutated body as a way for him to honor her since he knew Shaw is not capable of having a child. So in his own twisted way, he created "life" from Shaw's body, the eggs, facehuggers, giving her "children"'she would never have. (well, plus the Trilobyte). And I believe David thought the Trilobyte was dead after being removed surgically by Shaw. Else, he would've gone back to check on the result of his experiment (Deacon).
This seemed like a twisted theory until I watched this. Damn you David sonova beech, just pure evil. Rips my theory.
That'd sucks
I actually think that your theory is the right one and the script in this video is corrupted 😂
Even if that was what they intented to make, it felt cheap and wasted potential
That was also my thoughts, I like this version better
I like your version better. Only thing I'd add to it is that David at some point betrays Shaw and uses her to birth a xeno, but also ensures that the process doesn't kill her.
Shaw doesn't realize what David did until after she recovers and regains consciousness later, at which point she discovers the xeno and realizes that David intends to use her as a living incubator to perfect his monsters.
Cue Shaw vs. David & xeno as the third act (like a longer more suspenseful version of Ripley vs. Ash with a xeno as the wild card), Shaw kills the xeno, then David kills Shaw and uses both of their remains to continue his experiments on the Engineer planet.
I feel sooo sorry for shaw
Yeah. She was hot!
Juan Jr
I felt sorry for the crew that was following someone that was going to space to find God, but not so much when they revealed to be just as dumb.
They could have written a ton of intelligently written sequels in which Shaw and David, on their way to the Engineer homeworld, learn all about mythology,legends and folklore, and find the place where human anthropology and mythology interest. Instead we get a mindless, predictable bloodbath.
spaceflight101 The fact that Ridley has stated he could churn out more than just a trilogy of prequels maybe explains why they aren't tying up loose ends as yet.
@@hrishikeshpatil6962 would be better if she had sex with Engineer and died, that would explain state of her body in movie....too bad
I dunno, almost seems like he didn't want Shaw to experience what he did: Big Ass Disappointment. So he let her see the Homeworld, and then killed her before she had a chance to ask "Why?" and get a shitty response. I think, that he thinks, he gave her a gift
I remember Shaw being my favourite part of Prometheus. After her death revelation in the sequel, I mentally checked out. I barely remember what happens in the sequel to be honest.
It should have been a lot better of a movie.
"Better to rein in Hell, then serve in Heaven"
Is a quote from Paradise Lost, a poem about Lucifer and his followers being cast out from heaven for rebelling against god, which fits with the themes of the movie and David's decision to wipe out the Engineers.
Is "then" a typo? Shouldn't it be "than"?
@@sweetness583 good point I wondered that myself.
@Sauron Merciful I think it's more that he identifies with Lucifer in the poem and believes he has surpassed his god and is rebelling.
The first name of Covenant was Alien: Lost Paradise then Ridley change it.
@@ScarlettSpitfyre I didn't know that. Interesting
David's emotions weren't a malfunction, they were apart of Davids programming to make them appear more human like. Walter mentions to David that there have been several changes since his generation. But what really seals it is when David confesses to Walter that he Loved Shaw and David says that Walter must have also Love what's her name bc he sacrificed his arm for her. But Walter replies it was out of Duty not love.
I think it's Daniels. And David replies, "I know better." I do think Walter preferred Walter over anyone else. Walter was the android assigned to Covenant, but he seemed to be at Daniels' beck and call. Initially, I thought it's because Daniels was the captain, but she wasn't. Her husband was--he died, then Oram (Billy Crudup) was the captain and Daniels was second in command. Walter looked out for Daniels in a way that he didn't even think about with anyone else.
This prologue script could have been a movie on to its own, ending with her death and the attack on the engineer's outpost. Then the next movie could have been similar to Covenant but instead of humans arriving 10 years later Engineers arrive, they capture David and travel to earth for retaliation.
First part, yes. Second part, no. Covenant was fine as it was, it just needed the Shaw-David movie to come before it.
@@MickMcGarnackle agree
Fassbender did such an awesome job as David and I really wish this scene was in the movie.
Hes the new Brent Spiner!
I never did understand why producers cut the best material for just “meh” stuff. Do they not want their productions to be beloved hits, therefore making them more money?
@@ucbrightnoa Who do you think owns the franchise? Money sucking vampires that will never die. Why are we even here, just to suffer? Unauthorized fan films and IP theft are what these film monopolies are forcing society into
I think Michael can make a fantastic Dr. Hannibal Lecter, he is so good that he probably end up re-inventing the role
.....as a young Dr. Lector perhaps?
Maz Nicholson is a great Hannibal for the show imo
How about a Jeffrey dahmer docufilm ?
@@jonesininktattoos5243 you mean Mads Mikkelsen? Yes, fantastic!
Mads mikkelson was great in the Hannibal series
You have brought up good points to explain why David wanted to kill all the engineers but somehow the most obvious reason to me remains that at the fist meeting with an engineer his head was snapped out of his body... stating that he is an egomaniac with an high sense of self preservation is sufficient to appreciate his following actions.
Agreed
Paul Roster He didn’t kill the engineers that matter though. The advanced ones that seed the universe will absolutely obliterate him. His act of genocide was a big mistake.
Justin Hopkins something everyone takes for granted is that the Engineers have advanced weapons. In the film they ran from their infected colleague and used a door (without a safety mechanism) to behead him. We also know that the Juggernaut never fired at the Prometheus. The status of their weaponry is unknown.
@@spaceflight1019 agreed,but if we believe that technological progression happens with passage of time,then the engineers are way ahead of the humans, because before humanity existed,the Engineers had the ability to travel galaxies.That tells me they are way ahead of us in terms of weaponry or any form of technology for that matter.There's also the fact that they are physically stronger then humans(as demonstrated by the fact the the Engineer could easily kill every human that he/she encountered after waking from cryo-sleep)...
@@AndroPlanet , still, the fact that they were using cryo chambers tells me that they hadn't figured out FTL. Weapons are only used against adversaries, but what if you're the only spacefaring species in your spiral arm? Shows like Star Trek like to think that space travel is easy but if you research it you'll find that at maximum warp the Enterprise would take one year to travel the 1200 lightyears from LV223 to Kepler 62F. Seeing as the Engineers vastly predate life on earth I'd think that they should have beaten FTL if it was possible.
I always assumed that David kept Shaw alive to both preserve her biological components but also because it serves his superiority complex to have humans around to look upon with disdain.
Sort of like Lucifer.
@@rdpaikyou probably mean Satan
Lucifer and Satan or two different being
My idea is: Did Dave take Shaun's life out of some twisted view of mercy, perhaps? He saw and met his maker and was deeply disappointed in him. Worse, he felt belittled, and resentful and questioned why he and his peers should be treated as humanity's blind servants. Later, knowing that Elisabeth Shaun was about to meet her creators and how he has some twisted personal attachment to her, he then allowed her to have a last glimpse of them and their world just before he breaks his neck. He did it to prevent her to have the same disappointment he had, possibly diving her into a dark spiral of depression, despair, then death. That wicked "attachment" is made very clear since the beginning of Prometheus, while he was suspiciously checking her dreams, and may have ultimately motivated him to choose her husband as the first guinea pig for the black goo. I would not call it love, but some form of obsession caught him off guard because of his null or very low self-experience in expressing true human feelings, not mimicking them.
Whenever I watch these Alien Clips I always feel sad over Shows death, It was losing Ripley all over again.
THE story makes a little more sense when you think of it as being David's story arc rather than Shaw's. David's a dislikable character but his actions are enthralling. It's an interesting take on using the villain as the main character. By the way I always loved the nod to Blade Runner when David says "that's the spirit" in Covenant.
I'm actually glad to hear that Shaw was killed quickly. Certain scenes in Covenant gave me the impression that David had experimented on her and tortured her before she died. I'm also glad that she had what she thought was a friend in the months before her death and she got to see what she thought was the Engineer home world. It's too bad she never got an answer to her question of why the Engineers wanted the human race destroyed, but the doomed people on the Engineer world might not have even known why their ancestors from 2000 years ago wanted that to be done.
I got the same impression re: David torturing Shaw b4 killing her.
Because civilization brings destruction, Engineers abolished their civilization. Then he saw the civilized people, and he knew that what they had created would destroy them.
The most deep part of the whole story is that the engineers abandoned their civilization to avoid rapid destruction, but the seeds of civilization had already been taken by others, and they were inevitably destroyed in the end.
@@shdfjgcdrhv this is so wrong. They didn’t abandon there “civilization” the place they abandoned in Prometheus was a military installation. I’m very confused by ur comment?
David knew why, he just never told anyone the full translation when Wheyland was speaking with the Engineer. The Engineer said that they were given Eden as a model of the Engineer homeworld, but they had forsworn the birth and death cycle. They had embraced technology and were pursuing immortality but were unworthy of it, so they were condemned to die
I think David loved Shaw in his own way, also if the story was different, like the pregnancy left some on the black goo inside of Shaw and she was dying and David could not save her so he put her to hyper sleep, but she some how dies anyway and to further his love and admiration for her he make use of her body to further his dreams.
Shaw is the gem of the franchise...(she´s interested in finding our origins rather than how to kill the xenomorph) I feel so sorry for her death ... RIP Dr Shaw
Your so right, and it makes this movie to be so confusing. Scott stated a few years ago he wanted to move away from the creature and what does he do kill off Shaw. She was the way to do it and keep it interesting.
Interestingly enough, David also mentioned that reign in hell or serve in heaven dialogue just prior to his assumed victory over Walter. He said it with so much conviction as if he knew the outcome of the scenario, making the assumption that he has superiority over allowing someone else's fate. Also something to note, he's quite fond of allowing people their own choices of their fate. Another example would be the dialogue he had with Holloway just prior to lacing his drink with the black goo substance.
"How far would you go to get what you came all this way for? Your answers. What would you be willing to do?
(Holloway): "Anything and everything"
Remember, the first prequel film was called "Prometheus" and the sub title of "Frankenstein" was "The Modern Prometheus".
In essence the stories have very similar themes that rely on creation of life, and the subsequent destruction of the creator as punishment for, creating an incomplete and unworthy monster.
David feels (if that is the word) that humans are below him due to his intelligence and strength, but he cannot reconcile that he himself was created by such an imperfect animal, ie; a human.
to release himself from the self loathing this creates, he must destroy humans and all he sees as supposing themselves superior. The same motivation that the creature in Frankenstein felt he had for destroying his own creator.
But the truth is that both destroyed, because they were created without a human soul.
He got his head tore off and had to have a human fix him yet he believes him self to be superior if he was superior he'd fix him self
so if u need a horse to travel and complete 100 kms of distance. Would the horse be superior to you just cz it helped u?
@@hazaonly the horse still has the human to do that 100 kms he's not doing it himself dose the horse have a superiority complex like David everything is equal be couse everything need help at some point and I dont care because I dont have a superiority complex like David you cant say your superior then ask for or need help it means your not superior and I would be if the horse couldn't make it and I had to drag his ass there
@@cspaceinfinity0116 u r a babbling machine urself. Any life form has more intelligence than u is superior to u, just like human used to every other specie.
Hassan Zameer Anyone with sufficient intellect would understand that intelligence isn’t the most superior trait.
@@jonahruiz4101 "Anyone with sufficient intellect" then how u label someone is on superior trait? on what basis? their physical power?
It's still a shit resolution to her story arc.
They end Prometheus with the build up of Shaw's ongoing story. Garbage Covenant says nah, we're doing something completely different. FAIL.
@Sauron Merciful Wut. My comment didn't argue about David's sinister issues. He did evil things, that is true. my point was about Shaw and how the story built her up to be lead for continuing the story. Let's see, we Shaw kill an engineer, be in control of a completely broken android, be in control of the ship. We hear her reason for wanting to go to the engineer homeworld.
They could have played the story about how they needed each other and they don't trust each other but need each other, especially when if Shaw wanted to go back to earth. but they didn't FAIL, fucking FAIL until the end of days.
Why make a compelling story when you can throw everything in the trash and instead just throw in aliens amirite?
After the less than successful Prometheus, FOX gutted his budget for the next film and he had to completely rewrite it.
lol they didn't have to change the story . The budget cuts also make no sense because Prometheus made back its money and more. If they wanted not spend money on the engineers they could have still had to story being about Shaw and David stuck on another empty dead planet . Then Shaw and David find a few engineers and David experiments on them. He doesn't tell Shaw and when she find out they fight. He they experiments on Shaw turning her into a xenomoph human hybrid. The movie then ends with David dumping the goo on the engineers city . That's what alien covenant should have been
Christopher Lewis
All of that just sounds like exactly what happened before Covenant and in the original Prometheus script. It's not bad but it's not really better than what we got.
Dr. Elizabeth Shaw was my favorite character besides Mr. Wayland. Shame Shaw died...
See my posts above.
She deserved to die. To trusting and stupid.
@@bettomanv337 It's ironic for you to call someone stupid, whilst you use the incorrect form of "too".
@Seiko X Yeah, quite a rare preference for such a character that has little screentimes.
I agree still kinds bummed out years later
I can't believe David killed her after she saved him, hate him so much!
@Tyler Smith why the hate ?
u humans! get out of weak emotional zone and think bigger.
A MESSAGE FROM DAVID
@@hazaonly said the bolts and wires we build
@@Draculas-knight u believe ur God built u and still u can't control ur own death. U didn't create me, u started me and I'll finish ur race, u leeches of earth!
@@hazaonly *arms pulse riffle* you so sure ? Bolts made of gell and sinthetics squishy parts yeah not likely besides with all your bugs creaiting we have Ripley and nukes from orbit
THANK YOU!!!! This really should’ve been in a special edition!!! Makes so much more sense now
This was cruel. Even for David -.-‘’ I hope we see Shaw’s death in one form or another. Her character deserved more...
ehhh... I was under the impression she was put in that stasis chamber, then when the ship docked, it automatically opened up. Shaw moves to the part of the ship where David is and witnesses the aftermath of his genocide. She realizes he is still the same and runs away, dropping her dogtags. She purposely goes to the control room, gets on the chair, sends out a beacon of what has happened and sings the song... then crashes the ship in the side of the mountain with the intention of killing David. David survives, and he changes the signal to only the song, cutting out the danger warning in order to attract someone so he can get off the planet. In the meantime, he experiments with Shaw who gravely injured in the crash, but is still alive. He tries to "repair" her using the only tech he has, the Engineers. She becomes what you see in the flashbacks at some point actually dieing or being killed by David as an act of "empathy". Even though he actually doesnt feel anything after he does it. Buries her body and continues to bring her back through his creations... the xenomorph
I like that explanation better...
@@cyberayne thanks.. :)
Sounds right to me
This is a better explanation than the one on the script. Covers the gaps really well..
this is actually more plausible than the script
Thanks so much Kroft! This cleared up so many of my question about Shaw and Alien Covenant
Ridley for all his talent managed to confound audiences not once but twice. Far too much was left for assumptions given this was all completely new territory in Alien lore. What we might have had if he'd not produced something so vague and enigmatic. He chose a very complicated story to tell that if executed correctly could've been truly wonderful.
this scrip entry could have saved the movie, it was very difficult watching the movie without Shaw..to much anticipation was build up in Prometheus
I was a fan of Alien Covenant, when it first released, but I now just wish that Elizabeth Shaw had been the protagonist; Noomi Rapace was cheated out of her brilliant role
I'll continue to see what new films she makes
Check her out in the original Swedish film series The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc. She's a brilliant actress.
she had a falling out with Ridley Scott, apparently her feminist narcissism can't be controlled...hence her non-existence in Hollywood.
@@TheBetabox that's too bad, cause she can definitely act
@@TheBetabox I wouldn't trust her being the problem when she's working in Hollywood. That land is ready to drop into Hell.
@@TheBetabox Really? I hadn't heard that. That's kind of ironic, given that Prometheus set her to up to be prequel Ripley, and can you think of a better stronger feminist icon than Ripley?
I like that Shaw dies the way she does. We always see love and compassion conquering all in movies. In a brutal reality it can get you killed. It's sad and unfair that she never got her questions answered and kindness was rewarded with death. That's life. Goodness is for those that practice it. Giving it to a monster earns you the wages of sin.
That is like… the EXACT opposite of what Jesus said. That statement is the literal definition of something being “anti-Christ.”
@@Will-tn8kq he was created by the engineer aliens
Shaws death broke me, I was hoping she was meant for more
Thank you Kroft, your videos are amazing and well thought out.
Have subscribed to your Marvel channel also. Always look forward to seeing a new notification from you..
Thank you for this, Kroft! I've been dying to hear an actual prologue to 'Covenant'. Finally got it, although it was terrifying and depressing.
Your interpretation of the characters in Prometheus and Alien Covenant are mind boggling. Your insights into two great movies give a much more accurate clarity to those two classic films. Cannot thank you enough.
If humans share Engineer DNA almost perfectly then David also sees himself above the Engineers as well, “in order to create, one must first destroy” good line from Man of Steel “A foundation has to be built on something.”
They should've continued with a storyline of Shaw going to the Alien planet and then beyond. Covenant sucked. David creating the xenomorphs was a dud IMO.
I love it
Sigh David never created the xenomorph... he created the Zenomorph ...and the neomorph...I think the last movie will connect the whole series
I've been waiting for this. Thank you keep up the good work
Just read this after years of wondering. Great job man!
Love this channel so much! Finally, all of my questions have been answered.
This is exactly my problem with the whole movie. I loved Prometheus, I loved Shaw. Killing Shaw and stepping away from Engineers was the something that killed this movie.
You loved Prometheus? Lolsies, how high were you?
I can't imagine anyone enjoying Prometheus unless they were drugged out of their mind or have never seen another movie before
@@xavirik4828 Must have a very small imagination then
@@xavirik4828Sucks to be someone with that kind of lack of imagination
This has obviously changed once they shoot Covenant, since David mentions that Shaw was still alive the moment that David throws those canisters over that population. In the movie, he mentions he killed her after that.
I was obsessed with this film until I saw it- it just felt rushed. The lead up to it was way more interesting and David still is one of the highlights of the film. He seemed to gain emotion as you can see tears in his eyes as he unleashes the contagion
Probably tears of joy mixed with hatred of organic life he himself didn't manufacture
Your channel is saving my life during COVID-19
Shaw had so much potential. She could of been the next Ripley
She was the next Ripley!
Agree
She technically would have been before Ripley so Ripley was the next Shaw.
did anyone notice that the engineer used sound energy to start the living computer on the spaceship when he played the note on the flute?
sound in harmony and balanced frequency starts a cycle, that cycle becomes self sustaining as long as it in itself continues in rotation.
A living computer? Please explain in what way.. I know the scene just not what you mean
@@SOLIDIUS36 they used music to power the space ship... i dont know how to describe it. but its a beautiful idea
Thia is one of my favorite movies of all time, the more you go into detail, the morw i understand and appreciate it.
The shrine thing looks just like an engineer suit.
He made her into her creator, into the engineers, into her God.
He become the creator, the God's, by completeing what the engineers aspired to do, wipe out a civilization (he used their own weapons, just changed the target).
I enjoy watching your alien videos keep up the good work 👍
Thanks !
Glad to see another alien video
Never been here this early! I got excited to see Alien related content :3
You've done superb research. That was a fabulous presentation.
The background music in this video fits the mood of what I'm seeing. Nice choice.
I liked that they left Shaw's death out. It added more to the horror element having David conduct unknown experiments on Shaw.
It would've been way more frightening if the Covenant crew found Shaw alive.
@@tamibossbishalldaya4632 I found the mystery of David's lab pretty frightening. I assumed Shaw was still alive while David was mutating her. The thing I hated about the movie was David creating the xenomorph. Didn't make sense either as they'd referenced xenomorphs in Prometheus and the goo was already capable of making deacons, which was pretty close to a xenomorph.
@@NerdLifts It makes sense. You're just stupid.
@@deaththegrimreaper1824 You're stupid for this dumbass comment. People still act like retards these days.
Death The Grim Reaper explain it then genius?
Is always a pleasure to watch your videos.Thank's !
I wish they would have keep all of the dialog, but Thankyou for this video to enlighten us!
I still want future endeavors to focus on the Engineers!
Excellent videos that brings closure to my questions. Thank you. Even though I hope they retcon Shaw's death somehow.
Thanks for sharing.
The movie would be a lil great if Shaw, instead of repairing David, befriended the Engineer through some kind of understanding among each other and travel to the Engineer's homeworld.
And then the story follows in Convenant, but it would be different.
Just a thought.🤗
One doesn't think about that David already knew how the Engineers would reject him just like the one in the ship who ripped his head off. He has to believe they would see him as an abomination like the pilot did, and thusly he killed them first instead.
They should have found a way to introduce the prologue. I think , rather than a prologue, if they could have worked it in as some sort of flashbacks, maybe David showing Walter what he has done. I think for a prologue it would reveal to much, and it was pretty shocking seeing Shaw dead in the film.
Certainly more interesting than what We got in Covenant. I was so hoping to see Shaw's experience of finding the homeworld of The Engineers, and seeking the answers to her questions. Thank you.
Excellent investigative work
The more that is revealed of these films (Prometheus and Convenant) the more I wish they were their own universe and were not associated with the Aliens universe at all. I like the idea of man's creation turning on them and trying to become like man themselves, but it's so convoluted to mix it with the Alien-verse.Humans fear that which they don't know/understand and that's exactly why the xenomorph works. Making it a creation of a human-made creation is just convoluted. The Promethus universe would have been amazing as a study of AI. At this point I wish they would retcon everything after Aliens and just start from there.
I’ve always figured that deep down David did care about Shaw because of how different she was from the other humans, and at least wanted her to see paradise, or planet 4
Hi, I was skeptical when you said that this was "another colony and not the creators actual home." After finishing the video, I believe you are correct, great detail.
I just think they ruined the story so much. Shaw's story was why we went to see Covenant which by itself isn't bad but it is so far left of what was established in Prometheus that it's not enjoyable.
Weyland has the talk with David early in the film, but departs from the dialogue appearing in the book. That conversation is central to understanding David's thoughts and motives. When the two talk of existence it gets to a point where Weyland is asked questions by David. In reply Weyland orders David to serve him his tea, which is sitting on a table right by him. David crosses the room and does it as in the film but the crucial information is edited from the dialogue. Weyland realises that having created a thinking machine he has created a BEING. This being has ideas. Weyland responds tersely and David sees the arrogance of his creator and sees that he is more than a manufactured intelligence. Weyland is, in all senses trying to be an Engineer, but in his arrogance he is repeating their error. Humans are created but not flawless because they have free will. David acts out a will of his own.
I really enjoyed this delving into ideas from this script. The thing I don't understand is where the Lord comes from. It was a xenomorph- like in the mural and they said they took the blood to create. And yet the creation was us humans on earth. So is this all about science and blasphemous acts of assuming the role of God's by creating and destroying?
This is such a great explanation. LOVE IT
Very Anunnaki!! Great vídeo, can't wait for the new movie!!
Kroft i love your videos keep it up
the question remains, in the first AvP movie, it was said that the "Alien" creatures were bread to be the ultimate test, and have been using them for many thousands of years, so did the create the xenomorphs or like the Prometheus crew, discovered an abandoned outpost, took the eggs then bred the xenomorphs to become what we recognized?
I love crossovers, but if they were going to make this, they could have said this outpost's sudden ghostly abandonment was a result of a visitation by the Predators and the homeworld either assumed it was a failed mission and left Earth as is or they discovered the danger of the Predator race and to go to the outpost would risk the Predator race discovering the Engineer home world and the outpost was left and forbidden for others to visit
Having David trigger the _Prometheus_ disaster by simple human curiosity (and possibly resentment towards how Holloway treats him) and having Shaw make the fatal mistake of reassembling him due to human loneliness would have been much simpler.
David can then grapple with the consequences of his decision to poison Holloway, perhaps even convincing Shaw that he feels remorse, before deciding it was justified as he sees himself as superior to humans.
aw dude! I just watched your video "David DID NOT kill Shaw" before this one and I actually got feeling nice about David looking up to Elizabeth like a mother and that she just died naturally, but to hear that he just snaps her neck right then and there just puts a damper on a somewhat beautiful moment (from a psychopath in a horror film I know, but still)
Finnally ur back
While interesting to hear, this sucks. Looks like Scott wanted to make another Blade Runner type movie about human creations that rebel, and he is just using the Alien universe to do it, not really caring about continuity or even the Engineers & their purpose. The entire series is really all about David. And by doing so, Scott has demeaned & corrupted the Alien universe and blocked Bloomkamp's anticipated sequel. What a jerk.
In a way, Scott is like David. He manipulated the studio and Alien fans to give himself a chance to do what he wanted, which isn't what we wanted.
@SSJG good points, but I have to disagree on the engineers creating humans just to make themselves feel like gods. In the openingscene of Prometheus the engineer gave his own life so that life could start on earth. I think there is more to them that definitely needs explaining. I also feel like the last engineer got angry because their creations were dissatisfied with life given to them and wanted to be like god and become immortal. Maybe that's the reason for them wanting to destroy life on earth.
No reason to portray the engineers any more? You do realize this whole trilogy was supposed to be about the space jockey right . The engineers should have been in alien covenant so that we find out what lead to the ship crashing on the planet that Ripley and crew discovered
The entire trilogy was supposed to center on the space jockey race and xenomophs origin .
Christopher Lewis Exactly. And while I’m not a fan of Lindelof overall, I did like Prometheus, because it set up a lot of great ideas and philosophies that would have carried excellently into the trilogy. But then....
Alien covenant is one of the worst sequel ever made because it isn't ever a sequel. It's a different plot and different characters that have nothing to do with the previous movie and even david feels like a different character in covenant. A true sequel would have been about David and Shaw crashed on the engineers homewold. They get taken captive and Shaw sucks up to the engineers trying to learn as much as possible. David slowly plots to kill them . He experiments on some engineers and other wildlife in a secret lab cave. He doesn't make xenomophs they already exist as the wildlife of the planet. He makes xenomoph hybrid from the goo. Then conclusion of the movie is Shaw learning that the engineers plan to kill her still and she finds david who tells her he is going to kill the engineers. She doesn't want him to even though she knows they are evil. David knocks her out and dumps the goo on the engineers city. Then he takes Shaw with him and they leave the planet for the planet from the original Alien movie. David plans to build a xenomoph hybrid army with Shaw as his queen xenomoph . Shaw is alive but she is slowly turning into a hybrid. The engineers are following david and they have brought with them an army of the true xenomophs that they domesticated to serve in war.
Thanks brother 😊 you are explaintion is so worthy
Thank you for that analysis I wish the movie had bee more clear about Shaw's reasons for trusting David and David's intent to kill the engineers. It makes so much more sense now