I love, love, LOVE the changes and can't wait for my copy to arrive soon. I have other Bibles for study and note-taking but I have wanted a premium Bible just for reading, prayer, and meditation. I think the new formatting will make the reading experience very special for me.
As someone who uses references often, I feel it was a terrible mistake to remove the in text superscript letters to indicate references. Not only do they signal the reader that there is a reference to look up, but a single verse often has multiple superscripts to indicate a reference to a SPECIFIC part of the verse. Without those letters you have no idea which part of the verse is being referred to, making the use of references ambiguous and needlessly time consuming. For example, John 3:16 in the ESV has 4 different superscript letters. The first points to God's love, the second to the world, the third to God giving His son, and the fourth to not perishing. Without those in text letters, you have absolutely no idea which part of the verse is being referred to in the reference. If I only want to look up references pertaining to God's love, I'll have no idea which of the multitude of references to look up. In my Schuyler Bibles I've never found those superscript letters to get in the way of reading. Without them, it makes the bottom references far less useful and harder to use. Those who actually use references regularly will find the change unfortunate. Those who don't use references much won't care or notice, but if that is who we are catering to, we might as well remove the references entirely to save space, make the Bible thinner, or make it possible to use 36 GSM paper.
I personally have found many errors with the super scripts in the NIV Quentel. So I’m not surprised that they are getting rid of them. I agree with you, it gives a better reading experience, and it’s a whole lot easier to proof read 😝
I like the drop caps and I like the clean text without the additional letters, but I don't like 28 gsm paper. It is too thin, IMO. I would prefer the somewhat larger Bible and have paper that I can handle without fear of tearing, that will turn easily and that has less ghosting. But I do understand the desire for a lighter thinner Bible. It's just that my compromise would fall on the side of the thicker paper. In general, I mostly like the changes that Schuyler is making. Thank you, Tim, for providing such a clear video on the changes.
I've got one of the new ESV Quentels w/ Apocrypha; I don't have an older Quentel to compare it to, but I DO have an ESV Stridon. The Stridon (single-column VbV, also 10-point font) w/out Apocrypha (at the moment, not available with) has a few more pages than the new Quentel (double-column paragraph) WITH Apocrypha -- and is noticeably (slightly) thicker. As for the PSQ, . . . well, it's pre-ordered, so . . .
Love a cleaner reading experience. If you need to check a reference you are already jumping out of the text anyway to break your reading experience. I typically go for bibles with zero references so I’m biased. I have the new NLT PSQ pre-ordered. I think it’s going to be a favorite size in my collection. It’s so close to the ESV heritage heirloom and that’s my favorite Bible. Well, the paper size will be similar… the layout and font will be drastically different but that’s ok.
I love the changes, especially that the PSQ is becoming an actual “Personal Size” Bible. That is making me buy my first Quentel. That’s my favourite size Bible.
I would be more impressed with the larger PSQ if they had manages to give at least a 9 point font. The small 8.5 font is acceptable for a compact, but I really hoped for a better font size with the larger Bible.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews The PSQ block had to be bigger to maintain an 8.5 font since they shrunk the Quentel font from 11 to 10 pt. If they made the new PSQ block the same size as the previous, it would end being around 7.5pt. I wish they had offered a 9.5 font size using the previous ESV Quentel
RSV is more of an ecumenical translation. This ESV is not going to be the anglicized. There is an ESV-CE, but oddly it was given the imprimatur through the church in India.
I like the larger font size as well. Have you looked at the impact of the bold lettering, though? It does negate at least some of the impact of the smaller font.
Can you still underline in the 28gsm Skuylers? And highlight with Me.pen gel highlighters? Thats my biggest concern with them I’m used to 36gsm Bible paper In premier Nasb95 SCR zondervan Bible and 40 for MacArthur study Bible nasb95?
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews because even with the new lockman foundation reference edition 2024 at 32gsm my pen and even simple highlights show through tho that one was $46 the $210 prime goat skin one is same paper.
The indopaque paper that Schuyler uses is French Milled and titanium coated, so it isn’t an apples to apples comparison. With that said, I cannot attest to its durability to writing.
Well dropping the font size of 4 point for me puts me completely out of the market for it. For me 11 is the limit that I can see. Even if the font is darker. And sadness ruled my heart lol
in the long term sales will decline. the 11 point without drop caps is a better reading experience. most people who buy expensive bibles are middle aged to old and 11 point is by far more popular and a better read. schuyler probably did this to cut costs somewhere. thankfully I have an original classic 11 point which will last the rest of my life. blessings.
The new Quentel looks taller. The 11pt is a big enough bible as it is. If you weighed the two can you compare the weights? I don’t read any of my bibles on a table, btw.
“Quentel”? Isn’t he that actor/film director guy? 🤔😉 When it comes to named styles/editions of Bibles by certain Bible publishers, I’m not the connoisseur of options, the expert on editions that you are. For me, if a Bible version is a reference tool, not a carry option, I actually prefer for it to be a hardcover, so it can stand on my shelf in a row of other versions. In that light, the most important aspects of the reference version are the text and translation notes. You kept referring to the “subscript” letters in this video. The italicized letters in the text are above the line, not below it, so they are “superscript” letters. That one minor quibble aside, I agree with you; doing away with the superscript letters cleans up the text.
No margin space w/ new one, so that means no note taking. And they only have 2 pages of 28 gsm lined writing paper in the back, which is useless. Also, the 10 pt text appears condensed v.s older, making reading a challenge at times.The ESV would benefit with modern drop caps instead of KJV. Not a home run. Time will tell with the PSQ. Glad I have my 95 NAS Q and PSQ, ESV Stridon-all of which are nicer to read and have margin space, plus not drops.
I'm hoping to get a Quentel with Aprocrypha this year. I like the dropcaps. Beautiful!
Thank you, Brother Tim 🌹⭐🌹
I love, love, LOVE the changes and can't wait for my copy to arrive soon. I have other Bibles for study and note-taking but I have wanted a premium Bible just for reading, prayer, and meditation. I think the new formatting will make the reading experience very special for me.
I may have to order an NLT or NIV, depending on what the font-size is on the Humble Lamb NLT.
You're right.. i like the cleaned up look
As someone who uses references often, I feel it was a terrible mistake to remove the in text superscript letters to indicate references. Not only do they signal the reader that there is a reference to look up, but a single verse often has multiple superscripts to indicate a reference to a SPECIFIC part of the verse. Without those letters you have no idea which part of the verse is being referred to, making the use of references ambiguous and needlessly time consuming.
For example, John 3:16 in the ESV has 4 different superscript letters. The first points to God's love, the second to the world, the third to God giving His son, and the fourth to not perishing. Without those in text letters, you have absolutely no idea which part of the verse is being referred to in the reference. If I only want to look up references pertaining to God's love, I'll have no idea which of the multitude of references to look up.
In my Schuyler Bibles I've never found those superscript letters to get in the way of reading. Without them, it makes the bottom references far less useful and harder to use. Those who actually use references regularly will find the change unfortunate. Those who don't use references much won't care or notice, but if that is who we are catering to, we might as well remove the references entirely to save space, make the Bible thinner, or make it possible to use 36 GSM paper.
I will let you know later as I get mine today with the credo…not that excited at the moment but time will tell..
I like the NLT drop caps better than the other ones. Nice and simple. I’d like a Schuyler with no refs! Just notes. 🙂
It is helpful to have superscripts when there are multiple concepts within a single verse.
I get it, but they are a dime a dozen. This is very unique.
I personally have found many errors with the super scripts in the NIV Quentel. So I’m not surprised that they are getting rid of them.
I agree with you, it gives a better reading experience, and it’s a whole lot easier to proof read 😝
I'm in total agreement on the redundancy of subscript letters within the text. I hope to see more reworked Quentels in other translations soon!
I love it. I agree with you 100% .
I like the drop caps and I like the clean text without the additional letters, but I don't like 28 gsm paper. It is too thin, IMO. I would prefer the somewhat larger Bible and have paper that I can handle without fear of tearing, that will turn easily and that has less ghosting. But I do understand the desire for a lighter thinner Bible. It's just that my compromise would fall on the side of the thicker paper. In general, I mostly like the changes that Schuyler is making. Thank you, Tim, for providing such a clear video on the changes.
Yeah I have the Og standard size quentel with 28gsm paper is just too thin and creases far too easily
I've got one of the new ESV Quentels w/ Apocrypha; I don't have an older Quentel to compare it to, but I DO have an ESV Stridon. The Stridon (single-column VbV, also 10-point font) w/out Apocrypha (at the moment, not available with) has a few more pages than the new Quentel (double-column paragraph) WITH Apocrypha -- and is noticeably (slightly) thicker.
As for the PSQ, . . . well, it's pre-ordered, so . . .
The only compact I ever liked was the Cameo. It seems the new PSQs will be closer to the Concord size.
Not a huge fan of the drop caps but otherwise like everything else they’ve done. I’m really excited for the PSQ.
I like the changes with the Quentel overall, but I do like the compact size of the OG PSQ.
Love a cleaner reading experience. If you need to check a reference you are already jumping out of the text anyway to break your reading experience. I typically go for bibles with zero references so I’m biased. I have the new NLT PSQ pre-ordered. I think it’s going to be a favorite size in my collection. It’s so close to the ESV heritage heirloom and that’s my favorite Bible. Well, the paper size will be similar… the layout and font will be drastically different but that’s ok.
I love the changes, especially that the PSQ is becoming an actual “Personal Size” Bible. That is making me buy my first Quentel. That’s my favourite size Bible.
I would be more impressed with the larger PSQ if they had manages to give at least a 9 point font. The small 8.5 font is acceptable for a compact, but I really hoped for a better font size with the larger Bible.
@7Dorie yeah, I was baffled in them not enlarging the font. Why make the block bigger?
Hopefully it is quite a bit thinner @@7Dorie
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews The PSQ block had to be bigger to maintain an 8.5 font since they shrunk the Quentel font from 11 to 10 pt. If they made the new PSQ block the same size as the previous, it would end being around 7.5pt. I wish they had offered a 9.5 font size using the previous ESV Quentel
36>28
Any thoughts on ESV+Apocrypha vs RSV+Apocrypha for a Catholic?
RSV is more of an ecumenical translation. This ESV is not going to be the anglicized. There is an ESV-CE, but oddly it was given the imprimatur through the church in India.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews Thank you for the input
They lost me with the reduction in font size. The CSB Quentel was peak Quentel. I have the NLT and RSV.
I like the larger font size as well. Have you looked at the impact of the bold lettering, though? It does negate at least some of the impact of the smaller font.
The CSB-Q and the RSV-Q are my favorite fonts because they are dark, especially the CSB.
Yep the font reduction completely put me out of the market for a premium bottle and this is the closest that I could get.
Can you still underline in the 28gsm Skuylers? And highlight with Me.pen gel highlighters? Thats my biggest concern with them I’m used to 36gsm Bible paper In premier Nasb95 SCR zondervan Bible and 40 for MacArthur study Bible nasb95?
I’ve never done it, but several have used very fine point microns with success.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews because even with the new lockman foundation reference edition 2024 at 32gsm my pen and even simple highlights show through tho that one was $46 the $210 prime goat skin one is same paper.
The indopaque paper that Schuyler uses is French Milled and titanium coated, so it isn’t an apples to apples comparison. With that said, I cannot attest to its durability to writing.
Well dropping the font size of 4 point for me puts me completely out of the market for it. For me 11 is the limit that I can see. Even if the font is darker. And sadness ruled my heart lol
I like everything they are doing but I do prefer the thicker paper of an Allan.
Agree.
Yes. And margin space on their texts, card stock lined writing paper- several sheets v.s. 2
in the long term sales will decline. the 11 point without drop caps is a better reading experience. most people who buy expensive bibles are middle aged to old and 11 point is by far more popular and a better read. schuyler probably did this to cut costs somewhere. thankfully I have an original classic 11 point which will last the rest of my life. blessings.
Drop caps are annoying. Also did you notice the verse numbers are too small in the new design?
I don’t think they are an issue.
The new Quentel looks taller. The 11pt is a big enough bible as it is. If you weighed the two can you compare the weights? I don’t read any of my bibles on a table, btw.
It’s because of the yapp. My others don’t have it. I’ve never compared the weight.
I want a personal sized with Apocrypha :(
Yes!!
“Quentel”? Isn’t he that actor/film director guy? 🤔😉
When it comes to named styles/editions of Bibles by certain Bible publishers, I’m not the connoisseur of options, the expert on editions that you are. For me, if a Bible version is a reference tool, not a carry option, I actually prefer for it to be a hardcover, so it can stand on my shelf in a row of other versions. In that light, the most important aspects of the reference version are the text and translation notes.
You kept referring to the “subscript” letters in this video. The italicized letters in the text are above the line, not below it, so they are “superscript” letters. That one minor quibble aside, I agree with you; doing away with the superscript letters cleans up the text.
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I miss the 36gsm quentels & the fat Caxtons. I personally don’t like “thinline” style bibles. Schuyler seems all in on them though.
No margin space w/ new one, so that means no note taking. And they only have 2 pages of 28 gsm lined writing paper in the back, which is useless. Also, the 10 pt text appears condensed v.s older, making reading a challenge at times.The ESV would benefit with modern drop caps instead of KJV. Not a home run. Time will tell with the PSQ. Glad I have my 95 NAS Q and PSQ, ESV Stridon-all of which are nicer to read and have margin space, plus not drops.
I do not care for the little chapter numbers.
Drop caps 👍🏼👍🏼
Cleaned up references 👍🏼👍🏼
28 GSM 👎🏼
No ESV PSQ with Apocrypha 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼😡😡🤬