The only thing he confirmed was that only 1 other support had it. i agree with that i think it's gonna be speed but there could be a high chancw that it's not
@@irvingdiaz9322 Low grav jumps for 5 seconds? Allows teammate to jump 15 feet in the air? Is that a bird? Is that a plane? No, that's a FLYING REINHARDT!!
Some of my thoughts as an old ow1 t500 support: 13:17 - In regards to choke points and opening up the maps I feel like this references a lot of 2cp maps that were removed from overwatch. I think with one tank its really hard to make maps with strong choke points simply because there isn't an offtank to help cross, contest highgrounds, help your team, etc. Unfortunately I feel that 2cp was definitely a more strategic mode that we had in ow1 as compared to something like push or koth. The fact these maps were so difficult to maneuver made them fun and made them unique, you really had to learn overwatch in order to succeed on these maps and it felt rewarding. I don't know how much I agree with opening up maps because it definitely takes away from the strategy aspect of overwatch, but again with one tank it would be even worse to deal with especially for lower ranks. 30:13 - I am really happy to hear this as a support player, not being able to do it all is what makes a character fun and rewarding. Brig in ow1 did so much to the point where getting a ton of value on her just wasnt as rewarding as something like Lucio or Ana. Same thing with kiriko, being able to infinitely survive, duel anyone, be anywhere and have a cleanse/immortality was just boring, doing a good job on kiriko is less fulfilling as a person than Lucio. I think its a good thing they're planning on introducing more skillful characters rather than do -it-all supports. 42:42 - Alec mentioned that they want there to be consistent behavior across an entire role. I definitely find that questionable as it just decreases the complexity of duels. Instead of being able to play a certain way into X character during Y situation, sometimes it doesnt matter the situation and you might not be able to take a duel on someone simply because of the role passive. Heroes in overwatch all play differently to a degree but I think the degree at which they are different becomes less significant with role passives and in turn makes the game dumber/lowers the skill ceiling. I am however glad he mentions introducing things that are involved with a specific heroes KIT. During the latter half of ow1 booping a rein wasnt possible, yeah it was sort of annoying but I think its so much more interesting or interactive than global role passives. 44:55 - I do wonder if this patch fails in making the solo tank experience fun maybe Alec & the ow team could consider experimenting with 6v6 again? I just feel like the complaints that he and Spilo mentioned literally can be solved with having an offtank. I really want to see what they have in store for fixing the tank experience because I want to see if 5v5 can reach the same heights that 6v6 had. But so far it hasn't and the switch to 5v5, to me, feels like a really unfortunate mistake. These are just some of my immediate thoughts from what I heard, I'd love to see what other people think because as Spilo mentioned the dev->community feedback used to be nonexistant now we are getting actual interviews and communication which is amazing to see.
Great interview Spilo. Your attentiveness to responses and ability to immediately process their significance is impressive. A very good quality for an interviewer. One, that many famous hosts lack.
Timestamps 00:00 introduction and Alec's background 8:40 season 11 and new heroes 18:00 low skill ceiling supports and projectile dps 22:00 psychological factors of balance 27:00 wreckingball 30:00 approach to hero design 33:40 sources of feedback 35:50 aggressive and frequent patches 38:00 internal testing process 40:00 more balance philosophy 42:50 passives 45:10 solo tank issues 48:40 pickable passives 51:20 roadhog, orisa, mauga 53:00 bug fixes 53:40 space ranger and upcoming tank changes no 6v6 - probably because the higher ups don't want them talking about it. I get the sense that the devs who actually make and design the game would want to be transparent on the issue but are just not allowed to engage with it
i dont think so. 6v6 is of the table, maybe also related to engine problems wich would cost month to adress, i think a tanky DPS and DPSy Suppport in 5v5 would solve the problem more. So 1 Tank, 1 tanky DPS who has like 300-425HP, smaller hitbox (kindof inbetween DPS and Tank), 1 DPS, 1 supportive DPS (like zen, ana, argubly moira) and one Support (Mercy, Lucio, LW). We would need a new queue System for that but prefered queue would be an example for a possible sollution
@@maxmoch6044 ye I also think it's off the table, I was moreso speculating as to why they are unwilling to bring it up and even just say "6v6 isn't coming back"
@@dumass804 i think they dont want to get heat around that topic and just let it cool off. Imagin how many videos and tweets will come up now around that topic when saying 6v6 will never come back. They can bring it back as a gamemode in arcade kind of like an aniversery event or smth. Still dont know how its going to work with engine stuff but they keep the possibility open when needed
Oh my god, they FORGOT about console during an entire character release? I knew we were the step children, but I didn’t realize we were just entirely forgotten.
@@theCometPM I’m referring to the fact that he said they forgot entirely about consoles during the testing and release of lifeweaver. Just forgot controllers existed. Shows how little they think about how the game works there.
6v6 talk being banned from all communication is one of the main reasons I can't take Alec and the dev team seriously. If at least they could just be upfront and tell us 6v6 is dead and will never come back, at least I could settle my expectations and leave this game. Very good questions on your end Spilo, and no personal hate to Alec either. He's doing his job to the best of his abilities. But truth be told, those abilities and radio silence on 6v6 just isn't cutting it anymore. It's been 2 years of asking for why the change to 5v5 happened. It's been 2 years of all-hands-on-deck work to try and fix 5v5, and we're in no better state than when OW2 launched. The fact that they won't even address the topic at this point feels insulting.
i quit this game months ago after they actively ignored 6v6 questions and told flats not to ask about it. it just feels so slimy like even if they dont want to go back to it, why won't they just acknowledge it being a thing???
they have literally said that verbatim in several previous dev interviews, people still kept asking, it got to the point where it just became annoying, so now it's a banned topic. nice gaslight trying to pretend it was never answered tho
@@Real_MisterSir they have tho. it's unfixable because way less than 33% of the playerbase want to play tank, leading to excessive queue times on dps and support. that is me paraphrasing the exact answer to that incessant question I have heard in several dev interviews. you just pretend it wasn't answered cause it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear.
@@AximVidya Dude, don't with these people. They've gaslit themselves. The devs literally said not that long ago, "We currently have NO plans to look at 6v6." That's the answer. They are not looking at it and are not currently thinking about it.
We're in a continuous loop of saying that oh this next patch is going to make tank feel more fun for like the last 2 years, and we just forget every time that the problems are fundamental and not numbers based
Yep. They think if they just keep making tanks more and more overpowered, it'll solve the problem, even though the problem is that tanks lack depth. They have this idea that players want a "power fantasy", but that's not why people play competitive games at all.
The pickable passive has potential to be really really great. Certain passives may work well into kits of certain heroes. It may certainly give a bit more autonomy which would be great.
Okay then, here's my issue. Balls rework did not solve any of his issues. He still gets countered by 0 skill abilities, despite not having any counterplay, he still gets yeeted across the map despite knockback reduction apparently existing and he still relies heavily on his dps to dive, since his tickle damage is negligible, a mercy holding down a 0 skill button counters all his damage. What can we do to fix this and make ball not feel like a nightmare where both sides feel like they are forced to swap?
@@AximVidya thank you so much for hleping me understand why somebody would actually prefer 5v5. its because you are a worthless waste of life whos only way to feel you are providing literally anything of worth to the world is by abusing 5:1 counter watch. Suddenly everything makes perfect sense
This was the perfect type of interview for you to host. You have a unique perspective and view on change within the OW creator community and thus did a nice job of balancing meaningful questions about philosophy and juicy questions about future releases. One thing I’m hearing between the responses is that it’s possible the core technical design of Overwatch does not have all the levers the devs would love it to have to make meaningful change. If I’m right in assuming that it, it completely reframes the role of passives as a mechanism to tweak balance in my mind
This is what you latch onto in this interview? It's clear at this point PvE was scrapped before a lot of the current team were in place. What happened was bullshit, but let's blame the right people.
Nah people just also genuinely liked him by that I mean PLAYING him people usually collectively agree it wasn't great to face him but the actual gameplay a wide variety of people did in fact enjoy
Would appreciate if we were not walking on eggshells and actually brought up 6v6 and everything else that’s garbage. But I guess we gotta watch out so the poor devs don’t cry, lord forbid they get confronted
The irony is palpable. All 6v6’ers do is cry. You’re crying right now because they don’t legitimize your constant crying and borderline harassment campaigns. And as a spiteful person, I respect it. Grow up.
"borderline harassment campaign" is that how they see people asking to answer 6v6 questions? They treat it like Voldemorts name. If they can't speak about 6v6 then they should tell us why, unless they can't even do that. The more they try to stuff it into a closet the stronger the boogeyman becomes. @@why8642
I feel like if they’re not even gonna answer a basic question like that it’s not worth doing an interview because it’s just gonna be nothingburger PR slop. You can’t just avoid it anymore hoping it’ll go away.
You know how you have those DISCUSSIONS with content creators? why would the developers not do one of those with someone like you instead of just answering questions
@@skyler7017 yeah, it just stinks. like in regular interviews with some people you can have not prepared unstructured questions that they just say well i cannot answer that and be done with it. the point i'm trying to make is that while this does bring SOME clarity to the developer/player relationship it still feels fake to me a little especially when there are so many questions that still feel unanswered because the game doesn't feel great right now and they're onlny focusing on small pieces of it
Long time tank main, first time caller and I just wanted to chime in on the "how to make tank more fun" conversation: CC is super un-fun on tank, I hate that High risk high reward gameplay is always more fun. Tanks have to play for sustain/survival so much that carrying is legit boring AND you'll get flamed by the DPS who can't stay alive every time I say crank up their lethality, make shields and mitigation way more costly to use, and nerf healing across the board. Seriously the #1 problem with overwatch is healing creep. It reinforces bad behavior and undermines good skill expression in a lot of cases. Don't believe me, try being on rein and killing an ana that self nades and then gets mercy heals. And I know the replies will be "well that just creates opportunities for...." but that's not the point. Your entire skill expression can be invalidated without needing a high skill counter play. And sure I play in plat and below, I know that in masters and up the TTK is super low comparatively, but also those high level supports are ALREADY playing aggressively (every coach/streamer I watch talks about this) so nerfing healing would only encourage more people to play the better way. Then counter the healing nerf with more lethality and utility and you've got yourself a fkn banger.
"Killed the game". 15th most played game on Xbox. Top 50 on Steam. Maybe what's dying are your brain cells from watching garbage RUclipsrs' content selling you the falsehood that the game is dying or dead and how it's awful now. Maybe if you stopped the brain rot from infecting you for a few weeks you'll realise that most of the negativity you feel about the game comes from these YTers telling you that you should feel negatively about it. You're being exploited for views and engagement by grifters. No matter what happens they'll never stop finding something to complain about cause they can't get good views from making normal content. They have to do this "Negativity grift" to make money.
Until they simply talk about just the idea of 6v6 I’m somewhat apathetic to any dev interviews. Not because what they say isn’t important l, but because they simply refuse to talk about it, so much to the point that they completely cut off 6v6 questions. Why?
I think it might've been Flats who suggested that the reason they don't talk about it is for some really wierd legal reason... rather than because they refuse to. Like the legal team at Blizzard are just like: You cannot talk about this subject, and you just have to follow that because you work there. The only legal reason I could think of was that you can play Overwatch on a Nintendo Switch which does not have a lot of processing power and struggled to show 5v5 game play fluidly so has no hope of doing 6v6. And if Blizzard has signed some agreement with Nintendo that means they can't change the format based on that agreement. That's the most realistic logical thing I can think of anyway.
how does he understand that tanks should have weaknesses but not understand that 5v5 makes that so miserable without another tank to help cover ur weaknesses like surely they know its doomed to fail right?
Well the point is they shouldn't have NO weakness and that's kinda what tank duos did X tank has X weakness so use Y tank to cover that weakness and then it becomes extremely difficult to take them down but then the same thing happened where if you combo X and Y support well now even they don't die It wasn't great tbh
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 it was great because they had half the amount of hp so when you are able to look for an opening they just explode.. and they actually died to ultimates if they misuse their cooldowns instead of just walking it off with their giant HP pool
@@S3nCh4n I mean I guess but I never like the aspect of a TANK the character who's whole deal is being a large tough opponent being so easy to burn down unless they have a partner to cover for em So in some cases I do actually like how tanks in ow2 feel since they seem like much bigger tougher adversaries instead of slightly tougher dps But I can understand some of the frustration of outliers but I do like the general feel of ow2 tanks and if they did move back to the two tank model I'd hope they could hold the feel of tanks at least
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 The same argument can be made for supports in ow2, every support (barring LW and Mercy who are terrible in high level play) can simultaneously deal out damage while being unkillable and keeping their team alive as well as eachother. The support roles numbers had to be buffed up so much because there's only one tank to kill now so they have to be able to be all rounders. The only role that's not all-rounders in ow2 is DPS, instead they have to be given a built in counter measure to the insane amount of healing in the game, that once again is due to the fact there's only one tank. And even with that being the case tanks in ow2 still evaporate if their supports look away for more than 2 seconds. It's not fun as a tank to be a meat shield, it's not fun as a DPS shooting an unkillable meat wall and with supports being nigh impossible to kill DPS can only realistically kill other DPS without having to fight tooth and nail. And supports are forced to heal bot depending on the tank (Mauga, hog, orisa) or become 2 more dps who can once again only kill dps consistently, and even then skilless tank abilities like mauga E, now ball E, and FOUR SECONDS OF DEFENSE MATRIX can deny kills with little effort. I genuinely don't understand people who want these super tanks in this game, it's an objective decrease in playmaking potential. The only real argument I can see for 5v5 is supports have more flexibility to be independent (in some situations: when they're not forced to pocket a face tank) but even then in ow1 with tanks like ball being payable without having to be broken and others like hog who had options of their playstyles (like flank hog because they aren't leaving their team without a tank) you could have a main healer and off healer for utility. One thing i will give 5v5 is its much more easy to keep track of what's happening with two less people and ults, but even still Im sure my fellow average rank players will get into a fight where there's 6+ ults going off at once and it's no different than ow1. I genuinely think 6v6 under this team would be so good, they're willing to take risks and try things. We need to reevaluate the entire game from the floor up and get back at what makes overwatch fun.
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 thats the lowest iq statement i've ever heard, bro u dont even remember what 6v6 was like at all. In 6v6 tanks died so easily because they weren't built like gods cuz they didnt have to be. Literally the majority of dps could easily win a duel with a tank that is literally impossible nowadays
The word "Confronted" is doing a lot of heavy lifitng here. For a person who has so many thoughts towards overwatches design Spilo seems very quiet here.
Just accept your failure and do a soft reboot of the game with 6v6 back and some changes to the gameplay that is beneficial for the game ... Adding a lot of role passives not gonna save the game it will just make it more brain dead And also bring back the old hit boxes ... My aim doesn't have any difference from WANTEDow's This is just not fair at all that every new player with low mechanical skill can hit a lot of shots ...then What's the point of putting effort to raise my skills if a noob player can aim as pro's do
honestly man widow is even more annoying now because bigger projectile size = lower barrier of entry. Hell, i have maybe an hour total on widowmaker and i still force the enemies to restructure their entire team just to stop me from getting value easily. I'm not some aim god, granted i played a lot of shooters during my life but still, i feel like i'm committing a crime by playing widow. When it comes to new players, what ow2 needs isn't bigger projectile hitboxes, but rather an actual tutorial for how the game works. Running around as s76 just ain't cutting it. Maybe even some sort of video tutorials, what do i know.
@@prismaticpaul exactly... I used to suck at widow ... All of a sudden magically I became a decent widow player 😂 It doesn't matter anymore I just deleted the game until they fix it It's just really sad to see that my favorite game ... The game I was playing since 2018 turned into something like this . I hope devs just wake up one day and fix everything by the help of the community... I'm sad and mad at the same time because I care about the game and I want it to succeed...
@@leonsqueezy8691 Good, if you aren't happy playing the game don't play it. The playerbase is better off without you anyway. Though, I'm sure you'll keep whining about overwatch everywhere you can.
not accepting 6v6 conversation is like people not wanting 2CP back. With the 5v5 format, AND the changes to respawning with the "group up" mechanic. 2CP would actually be more viable now then when it was in OW1
Personally, I feel like the OW2 Doomfist, Orisa, and Roadhog reworks really missed the mark. Tanks who can't protect their allies from incoming damage, who deal lots of burst damage, and have very frequent stuns plus overlapping CC in their kit, are simply not fun Tank designs to play both alongside and against. I hope Alec and team revisits Doomfist, Orisa, & Roadhog's designs and balance to be overall healthier for the game.
@@donovan4222 Both OW1 and OW2 Doomfist are unhealthy for the game. They either need to make Doomfist a DPS hero again, but address the CC and single-target burst damage pain points players had facing OW1 Doomfist, OR they need to make Tank Doomfist more like Mirrorwatch Doomfist so he can actually Tank for his team. Empowered Punch should be removed either way.
Love Spilo but this interview just saves face for them atp. I’m so tired of them being cowardly about certain design choices. They say they are being transparent but won’t address the elephant in the room. It’s exciting to hear about new things but we need answers to problems that have been plaguing the game for a while. I think we deserved answers at the very least even if they don’t fix the issues that most players have with the game. I’m officially dropping this game it’s so depressing to play and pink mercy won’t save it. 💔
It's a stupid ass question. Total non-starter. 6v6 isn't viable because of queue times. 5v5 is workable but difficult. There's no reason to try and argue with 6v6 stuff for the devs at the moment because they're all aware it's a stupid idea.
@@sadbread2446I value the quality of my matches more. Queue times are solvable, 5v5 is fundamentally flawed. Queue times can be solved by making tanks more engaging to play and balancing the hero pool of tanks and supports.
@@kamay7021does it tho? Que times have been longer than they've ever been & barely ANYONE is above Masters. let alone Champion. So que times should be shorter for everyone in Diamond & under.. no? But they aren't because there jus isn't as many people playing..
beatin around the bush... unfortunately, 6v6 remains a taboo topic in any public talk with blizzard. since all the content is getting framed in a way that 5v5 is the base of all discussions, I can't take this interview that seriously. They should just announce publicly that bringing back 6v6 is never ever going to be worth even thinking about, so we can all shut up and move on.
They won't do that because they're saving it for the start of next year to generate hype and use it as an extra life when their game will die later this year
When did they explicitly say that? please quote the interviews. thank you. If it's really true, why is the community still debating about it, even asking for 6v6 qp hacked events including cc's like spilo, sprixy, flats, samito etc. ?@@AximVidya
@@AximVidya when did they explicitly make that statement? Pleas quote that interview. And if so, why are numerous content creators like flats, spilo, sprixy, svb, samito etc. still debating 6v6, even talking about a 6v6 qp hacked event idea?
what an incredible interview and interviewer, I hope you get an opportunity like this again because as someone who loves game design this was some good fucking food 🙏💖💖
My guess is they're working on it. They're not getting a thrill by _sabotaging_ the tank experience. Reading between the lines were actually getting "our current problems don't compare to the difficulties of 6v6 balancing" and/or "wait until next season, because we're going to show what we can deliver in terms of the tank experience".
@@Babashfna I agree, I'm still waiting for a patch which looks like it even attempts to address the severity of counterpicking. As for the Microsoft/esports stuff, I don't care too much. We're a closed habitat within those ecosystems. Unfortunately the only control we have upstream from our community is if we buy enough skins for them to weight our population better. TLDR: I don't think talking about microsoft, maybe the esport, within our community is affecting anything. It's like talking to fish about the sea levels rising.
@@jacobbaartz7710 they've had 2 years to fix the 5v5 gameplay issues with all hands on deck. They can keep thinking whatever they want, keep iterating -regardless, their mindset is utterly cooked and 5v5 will never be solved. 6v6 was true Overwatch, what we have had ever since is nothing but a hollow shell of its former self and the devs are the reason we're still arguing the same exact issues as launch OW2 2022.
@@Real_MisterSir Literally nothing will make you happy. I'm tired of this conversation. Can you give me an example of what could be done to reduce the severity of counterpicking, in 5v5?
@@stompingthegods5886 ...can you time stamp where they do talk about 6v6? if flats specifically couldn't ask about it, and spilo had to run the questions through blizzard first to even get to ask them, and did NOT mention 6v6, safe to assume they said he couldn't
@@AyoBodee Id rather them give an answer on why they avoid 6v6 than hide away from it. Personally I was not really a fan of 6v6 but I feel players desearve the right to an answer especially when the video is titled "I confronted the overwatch devs" Having the devs script the questions in their favor is not confrontation. I want them to answer dificult questions even outside of 6v6. Hard to answer ones like The cheater problem that is happening right now and how they are dealing with that. Also these are the same questions they get asked by just about everyone else. Appart from "The new addition to the next ballance of heroes and that question about the up and coming new hero" We assentially saw the same questions that flats emong and Kar Q and that one reddit q and a asked that devs had already answered.
It’s scary how they have to mention how talented their devs every interview. It’s even scarier they still have to figure out the “framework” this game has to fit. How are we still doing this after 8 years? How are we still ignoring conversations going on in the community, how are we still struggling with balance, how are we still clueless about where the game is supposed to go? Why is cheating running rampant?Are we more focused on changing the game for the sake of changing it to make it their game? I’ve never seen a dev team being so clueless and slow. I’ve been playing since launch but the longer the game exists the worse the game is getting and I hate it does. Why? And why do we ignore the 6v6 conversation, this dev team makes me angry.
The devs piss me off too. Realizing how much they have been bending us ow fans over and over again for years with a lot of broken promises. But at this point i blame myself for sticking through with this game since launch 😭😭
@@beanjuice6012 I feel ya, I invested so many years in this pile of dogshit. It’s just so frustrating how they turn my favorite game into something worse every season :(
Remember guys when you go into someone else’s space. You respect their wishes and be respectful. So if they don’t want you to bring up 6v6. You don’t do that. But ik it’s shitty for us and I don’t agree with it. But you respect it
At this point I feel like it doesn't need to be bought up anyway. 6v6 only really gets spoken about through the lens of how tank feels to play, which is something they know needs addressing and are working on. Time will tell if they get it right, but the fact they aren't scared to experiment gives me some hope for improvement.
@@nicetugboat 6v6 is better for dps and support too as now they have 2 killable tanks instead of a non-interactive Megazord whose survival is integral to not losing the fight but minimal to win the fight.
I stopped playing Tank after 5v5 and now I'm concerned about the direction of the Support role. They've made it so healing feels borderline useless on many supports during an active fight. You basically have pray your Tank/DPS aren't constantly inting and use cover effectively. If you're casual or metal ranked, they're probably actively over extending and using cover AGAINST their own healers. OK, no problem. Let's try adding some damage into the mix. But wait-- supports aren't supposed to be scrappy! You can't do as much damage and the damage you output is less effective because a) you can't apply the DPS passive to burst through healing b) health pools have been increased and that makes getting eliminations on support take MUCH longer. You won't be carrying unless you're either sweating/lucky or several ranks in skill above your opponents. You heavily rely on your teammates to secure eliminations, but that coordination simply doesn't exist for most of the playerbase. Your pings? Ignored. Voice chat? No one participates anymore. Fortunately, you still have your cool downs. But those are long and kind of frustrating to wait for in a fast paced game. When they are used, many of them are overpowered and frustrating to play against. There's the projectile size increase, but I wouldn't say my "shots feel better to hit" given the circumstances. It feels like you always need to reload right as you're about to accomplish something. How many damn times do you have to hit enemy Mercy for a kill when she's using her sympathetic recovery passive + your DPS won't shoot her to apply the passive? Too many! I would play Mercy, but she's felt awful ever since her movement was trashed post Season 2. The new supports have been in a bad spot other than Kiriko. I hope Space Ranger is fun and not nerfed into ground soon after release. I understand heroes are sometimes over tuned on release need nerfs, but it's annoying to have every new hero dumpstered after being so hyped up to play them.
Like...I appreciate the chat but can we talk about WHY we don't want to do 6v6? It's clearly the elephant in the room that the team knows about and has caused the MOST tension in the community. Even saying something as simple as "We just don't think it's the right call" helps. Ignoring it all-together is just lame.
i'm guessing... spaghetti code. They probably overlooked a lot of character interactions with especially the new engine and couldn't be bothered to fix it.. probably easier to "rework" all the heroes than hire an experienced engineer to solve these issues
I think their refusal to talk about it means they definetly got it in the stash. They secretly know 6v6 was better and will eventually bring it back. Wether in months or years
@@dinosaurkin5093 what reviews? 99% of the negative reviews on steam happened on the first week it was added in august last year just because people were mad about the pve for every 5v5 complainer there are 5 people playing the game right now having fun
@@MarshPlays so why can't they just add an arcade mode or something for the 6v6 enjoyers? half the arcade mode and hero gauntlet no one plays and are still in the game. so why keep those and not introduce a 6v6 arcade mode.
Did they force you to not talk about 6v6 like they did flats? I think your broad questions about the solo tank experience and tweaking it was pretty A+. good job Spilo. One day we'll get it.
These devs are a joke and 100% don’t deserve respect. They keep everyone in the dark about 6v6 and when the games tank population is falling off a cliff. Idgaf if you think it’s a “useless question” if these devs keep getting complacent and black listing this topic marvel rivals is going to kidnap a good chunk of the player base. Keep gaslighting yourself and thinking 5v5 is good but at the end of the day overwatch 1 was universally loved and overwatch 2 is universally hated outside of the weirdos that think this game is still good.
18:49 a lil bit better? turret got a 30% increase to healing and a 25% increase to health a 150% increase to damage on outburst. And only a 50% decrease to self healing which just means she’s only slightly worse at 1v1s, but ow isn’t always about 1v1’s. Also rein can’t 1 shot fire strike anymore.
Solid interview but really upset in what he had to say about projectile DPS heroes as well as the comment on Hanzo (Lol nothing for Genji either) I don't understand why say something like "Okay Hanzo lost his identity, what do we do?" But the answer has been there for years, he is a sniper, let him one shot, come on now. Kind of hoping we move over to the 225 HP pool for majority of the heroes, would be the perfect middle ground for everything right now in terms of gameplay balance and flow.
Accept oneshots have no place in OW. The fact that you've been spoiled all these years doesn't mean it's right for the game. And don't tell me they're necessary because if they are they're patchwork
@@JeffreyHageExactly, they should just give hanzo more utility in another way, maybe 2 sonar arrows so it enables him to be constantly checking flanks? Something in that realm
@@JeffreyHage There is no rule that says one-shots should not be in Overwatch. I could say CC and teleports should not be in the game, but that is simply an opinion - just like yours.
it's been answered like a dozen times. y'all are just pretending it wasn't cause you don't like the answer you were given. quit being a bunch of annoying babies
@@AximVidya It's been answered exactly zero times. The only "answer" they've ever given us, is that they don't want to talk about it. That's not an answer, that's deflection.
@@Real_MisterSir yep yep, thats so true, they totally never explained how not enough people ever wanted to play tank to have 6v6 with 2-2-2 comp viable leading to excessive queue times, you're so correct. gaslight me harder daddy
Very well structured, though I don't think he shared anything tangible/radical. Everything he said we assumed/can figure out on our own. I would've liked it if you tried to press him onto the phenomenon of hard(and soft)core cheats on PC and the Zimmer infection for console players as we were promised things with S11 but nothing was shared at all and my experience on PC has not changed much, plus console community is reporting no changes as well.
Sigh.. of course, they ignored the 6v6 topic. For anyone still holding out hope for 6v6, use that energy for a company that respects its players. OW2 and blizzard are a lost cause. Marvel Rivals beta is this month, try it out.
@@elwasted9216 Doesn't need to. The important thing is to stop wasting time on OW2 if you don't like the game rn. Lots of great games with good devs out there.
@@absolute-xero7502 great games, like marvel slop. if you are holding out for a hero shooter hold out for one made by a company known to produce quality games. maybe one that's made hero shooters before. one that starts with a v, even
The problem I'm guessing is gonna happen with pickable passives is that there's gonna be some clear winners. Like you're only gonna pick one passive for most of the heroes. Which I think defeats the purpose a bit. Let's say you had to pick between shorter healreg cooldown or more ammo on cassidy. More ammo is just gonna be straight up better there 90% of the time even without fan the hammer having more ammo is gonna increase uptime and remove some situations where you have to reload and they are on 30hp.
Is this the guy who came up with concept of "brr titanic grip terminator" Mauga? cus I would like to have words then. On a less derpy note. You can tell Spilo is a real person and not just your run of the mill streamer, very good interview technique - freeform within the framework. Well done.
@@LeatherNinja Even in this interview Alec mentions in some cases maugas even underperforming and not picked as often Just cuz you complain louder doesn't mean it's the truth he's really not that great until you hit literal GM or T500 then he starts getting traction If he was really so brain dead or no skill why does he only start going positive in win rate when you hit the literal upper echelon of players? He works well in coordinated play but outside of that he's not that great
@sebastianrodriguez8992 win rate is not the be all end all of balance. Them balancing purely around win rates tanked the game for a few seasons. Mauga having a higher wr in high ranks does not correlate to how much skill is required to play him. Teams are just better at playing around him in high ranks.
Hear me out remove cardiac overdrive and replace it with a spiked riot shield. It will function like a mei wall/ Lw petal platform. IT IS NOT A BARRIER like rein shield with the size of a brig shield (will not cover the whole front of his body or team) This will allow you to deal with projectile cc and allows for other supports to be used instead of forcing Ana Kiri With this you can nerf his health slightly and increase spread when shooting both guns Spiked riot shield named Spiral or Spirio( idk what to name it lol) •drops/disables Gunny but shield can crit burning enemies and has a bleed effect •active for 4 secs with a 4-6sec cooldown •when broken cooldown increases to 6-8secs •can be canceled by pressing button again •DOES NOT regenerate even if cancelled early and only regenerates when broken •cannot be pierced by any piercing abilities (because it’s a solid object not a barrier) •has 300hp-500hp •Has reduced movement speed of shooting 1 gun •replaces quick melee with a shield melee (brigs shield bash without the movement) Overrun with the Spiral/Spirio active •can be used/cancelled while charging •does boop damage plus bleed damage to enemies hit •hitting burning enemies will crit doing double boop damage plus faster bleed damage Cha cha with Spiral/Spirio •either has normal single gun spread with a first person camera lock or increased gun spread with a third person camera lock not sure •has the same reduced movement speed of shooting both guns Maybe you can reduce or remove the damage reduction while charging to balance not sure tho
53:13 MAN I WONDER how much time it will take for them to recognize they broke dooms punch animation 2-3 szns ago (when u cancel punch with jump) before they just assign a low priority status to it, unless they do it by default w every doom bug that doesn't intervene w other heroes
I’m not saying you have to bully and confront the devs about 6v6 like it’s a protest or something, but the fact that they refuse to even take questions about it is getting extremely weird. Why is 5v5 so important to them? Is it just ego that they created OW2 that way and refuse to even think about other formats? Why are they willing to talk about redesigning every hero but not even take a question about a potential 6v6 OW classic game mode? Why is this such a scary “taboo” topic for them? It’s so strange and I don’t get it at all.
Yall, this isn’t Fromsoft and Capcom. They’re not a company that has devs which play the game at a high level. You can tell what company is good based on how many of their devs play their own game at a high level
@@lumenox8541 Oh I already have, along with my entire friends list and most of the community. Was just curious if there was any reason to reinstall but I see the devs are still in delulu mode.
So when the next patch does nothing for tanks, and it's still awful to play against and as, will we then start looking at format changes? Or are we just gonna keep throwing crap at the wall for the next 3 years to keep things "fresh". At what point does the sunk cost fallacy come into play?
Give it up. 5v5 is here to stay because nobody wanted to play tank in 6v6. DPS queues were 10-15 minutes in gold. 6v6 is not magically going to make tank any more popular than it was in peak OW1.
So is pickable passives going to be like champion talents from Paladins? First more health, bigher hitboxes, and reduced healing. OW2 slowly becoming paladins 2 😂
Amazing insight, I love watching these types of discussions with the new OW 2 team to understand how things are going. I used to play OW everyday but it now shares time with DBD. I play genji/cassidy and all support, and even though I miss old genji I am now getting more interested again to playing OW 2 after taking a break from it because of the development team and how quickly they've responded to improve and changing the game being more aggressive.
about hanzo they have really "only said yeah hanzo sucks now we'll look at him sooner or later its been 3 seasons but its fine, but yeah widowmaker we like, ooooo we like widowmaker, they buy the widow skins her oneshot is just perfect." rip hanzo and genji, left in the dust
what he mentioned during this part about giving "squirrely" characters 225 hp would go a long way to helping hanzo. i assume he's referring to kiriko especially, maybe mercy and lucio and some of the more mobile dps cast as well. having a hanzo who can one-shot a kiriko becomes a better widowmaker in that specific instance, because he still benefits heavily from storm arrow against tanks as well as being able to take out a key hero on the enemy team with relative ease. whereas widow is ONLY her one-shot and is ineffective on certain maps
Just let the community-crafted mode people balance the game. I trust them way more with transparency and actually good, creative changes while integrating way more community feedback
If you actually play it with high level players... it is terrible. It is literally moth meta. They created moth meta with one patch. Yup... that's what we want.
@@gregortheoverlander4122 this is no where close to moth meta literally what? you mean to say two fast ressurects that only last 10 seconds each is equatable to 5 instant resurrections that last forever? maybe rez resets on valk is too much but let’s not over exaggerate. that version of rez is infinitely weaker when used incorrectly and gives similar value to now when it’s used correctly
alec dawson IS the problem with overwatch 2. he refuses to put 6v6 back. nothing will improve til then. there was a uniformity across all roles with 6v6, and this is the entire problem with the game. every problem stems from this fundamental flaw in ow2 design. and it's all spear-headed by Alec Dawson. Please, sir, leave the team and let someone else fix your mess. We don't like your dev work anymore. Not. A. Fan. At. All. I want 2016 / October 2020 Overwatch 1 back. I'll take either form. But I want that. Nothing else.
6v6 will never come back unless you can magically increase the number of tanks that play the game. Even in peak 6v6, tank was by far the most unpopular role. This isn't even an OW problem specifically, in *any* game that has the Tank-DPS-Support trio, Tank is the most unpopular role. You cannot fix 6v6 queue times. 10-15 minute DPS queues in Gold, the most populous rank and most popular role by far, are unacceptable. Stop playing the game if you don't enjoy 5v5, literally nothing else will get the devs to listen if you feel that way.
I don’t understand why the devs won’t even talk about 6v6. Like… couldn’t they just say “No we won’t do it.” Or “We’re still thinking about it.” That’s all the community wants and to refuse to communicate about it at all is disrespectful.
What's there to talk about? Any discourse about the matter will only put more fuel on the fire, and if the devs give a hard "no" then it's not like the 6v6ers will accept that. There is literally not any point in acknowledging the argument right now.
@@Damocles450I’m a 6v6er, if they came out and answered a hard no, I wouldn’t keep arguing, I’d literally just quit the game lol. There is a point in communicating actually, because at that point anyone left arguing is just silly and should be dismissed.
@@Doomthepixarkid tbf, the majority of people wanting 6v6 back will likely just leave if they said it was off the table. which would be a large amount of the player base. it would likely tank their sales and such. which is probably why they refuse to say anything. some of them have realized this conundrum and have left already. its only a matter of time that more people will join 6v6 and those who were into 6v6 will have already stopped caring. which is worse because apathy is the death of a video game.
unfortunately there is no "letting" here, even 1 question about 6v6 when they (most likely) asked him not to and spilo will immediately never have this sort of opportunity again
Tbf, even if they’re pulling a 1984 move, you still went to their house so you have to abide by their rules regardless of what you think of them. It’s called manners
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 sure but it’s just extremely weird they are willing to talk about pretty much anything except 6v6, like why is it this big scary and controversial taboo topic? It should be something we can talk about just like anything else
@@BossKiller-ri6po That’s not a good reason imo. Queue times for 90% of players weren’t even that bad in OW1. Plus I’d rather wait an extra minute for a good game than get a faster queue for a bad game. If tank was as fun as the other roles there probably wouldn’t be queue time issues either.
Nerf this, Nerf that, bro the problem is 5v5. This entire video is such a useless conversation. Get them to confirm if 6v6 is coming back or not so everyone can move on
Why would spilo ask about 6v6? He might as well ask about bringing back dps doom or lvl 3 torb turret. 6v6 is dead, the game is completely different, and they're not going to add it back. That being said I think if you bought ow1 you should be able to still play it even if it's just qp.
@@lukasg4807 “the game is completely different” It’s literally the same game as 2 years ago 🤣 you don’t have to want a 6v6 mode but to pretend like it’s too much work is just dishonest, it would be extremely easy to do a 6v6 game mode. Blizzard literally just did the same thing with WoW classic, and that was actually far more work.
The ball question answer is just awful. BALL is not fine but fckn MOIRA IS?! I CANT MAKE MY FRIENDS START PLAYING THE GAME BC SHE EXISTS BUT BALL WHO DOESNT DO ANYTHING BEFORE PLAT - NO!!! THATS UNTOLERABLE Fuck blizzard balance team . Moira is ok when she plays w+m1 but ball who outplayed u is bad It feels like they intentionaly make hard counters so bad players can win games they shouldnt but what if, what if we make all tank busters/counters take skill or be less effective on tank and WOW now people play tank and we dont have to throw bronze support into plat tank to have queues under 3 min
Eh, no one can just be honest. Ala like the late great Patrice o Neal . Just be like yo your game design and balance is shit. 5v5 is shit. Monetization is shit. The battle pass is shit. The mythic are shit. The amount of content coming out is shit. Scraping pve is shit, and knowing about it a year before and not saying anything is shit. Can you explain what are you people thinking. You got rid of ow1 for ow2 and yet ow2 had less features than ow1 was shit, and Why? Like wtf is up with that? Do that instead of walking on eggshells and pandering and pretending.
Look, I know you have to cozy up to secure interviews, but the way they walk around eggshells with communicating to these overwatch devs is not making anyone who feels frustrated with the game heard. The community gives a lot of these content creators a platform and when given the oppurtunity, they don't bring up the main points of frustration the community has with the game. Illari balance patch recently was a terrible move and I like playing her. But as someone who likes playing ana and zen, why migrate skill expression to the pylon? Why not get rid of the pylon or weaken that but put more emphasis on knowing when to heal or when to damage on illari? That is a more fun gameplay cycle. Ana is literally the most popular support to play for a large portion of the games history. I'm a support player I dont want support to be more easy to play, a support shouldn't be able to heal, peel, move away and damage, and tank (bap and brig have a lot of effective hp) All these immortality and invulnerability abilities are out of place in ow. Zen trans cant save you from a widow headshot but a bap immort can? Kiriko just takes a lot of skill expression away from ana, she literally counters sleep and nade. And now, I know those are problematic in a 5v5, its annoying for tank players to get naded or slept, but this literally wasn't a problem with two tanks as they can shield the ana off angle, dva matrix it, or zarya can bubble cleanse it, or a tank could dive her to take pressure off another tank. They harmed ow a lot by making it 5v5, in addition, idk who in their right mind wanted switch players to be put in with ps4 and Xbox players, but no one in the switch community, at least the content creators, streamers and higher elo players, wanted that, it literally killed the community on switch.
@@Savevade Not a lot of people, but the experience is so stupid and scuffed that it somehow created a pretty close knit community. I meet a lot of people there. Basically everyone knew each other, so each ranked match was like playing against people you know. Queue times got a bit long but you just talked with ur stack in the meantime. While Xbox, PS4 and PC were struggling in the double shield meta, people in switch were running the funnest team comps and all of it was viable because meta wasnt as strong on the switch. Every tank combo was actually viable lmaoo I miss it
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I loved hearing about his actual job and responsibilities. You always wonder what exactly a game designer at a big company like blizzard does.
No, literally. Why was this one of the most interesting parts for me 😭
small indie company btw
@@hasanabbadi3252this joke will always make me laugh
They spend many hours writing emails and thinking of ways to make the game worse and add more shop items
SPACE RANGER IS GONNA BRING SPEEED UTILITY
That or like a lw petal or ability to allow others into highground
The only thing he confirmed was that only 1 other support had it. i agree with that i think it's gonna be speed but there could be a high chancw that it's not
"One person has it. Things are going to get really fast" he pretty much told us speeeeeeed lol
@@marquispiring7736 both jq and kiri also have speed tho
@@irvingdiaz9322 Low grav jumps for 5 seconds? Allows teammate to jump 15 feet in the air?
Is that a bird? Is that a plane? No, that's a FLYING REINHARDT!!
Some of my thoughts as an old ow1 t500 support:
13:17 - In regards to choke points and opening up the maps I feel like this references a lot of 2cp maps that were removed from overwatch. I think with one tank its really hard to make maps with strong choke points simply because there isn't an offtank to help cross, contest highgrounds, help your team, etc. Unfortunately I feel that 2cp was definitely a more strategic mode that we had in ow1 as compared to something like push or koth. The fact these maps were so difficult to maneuver made them fun and made them unique, you really had to learn overwatch in order to succeed on these maps and it felt rewarding. I don't know how much I agree with opening up maps because it definitely takes away from the strategy aspect of overwatch, but again with one tank it would be even worse to deal with especially for lower ranks.
30:13 - I am really happy to hear this as a support player, not being able to do it all is what makes a character fun and rewarding. Brig in ow1 did so much to the point where getting a ton of value on her just wasnt as rewarding as something like Lucio or Ana. Same thing with kiriko, being able to infinitely survive, duel anyone, be anywhere and have a cleanse/immortality was just boring, doing a good job on kiriko is less fulfilling as a person than Lucio. I think its a good thing they're planning on introducing more skillful characters rather than do -it-all supports.
42:42 - Alec mentioned that they want there to be consistent behavior across an entire role. I definitely find that questionable as it just decreases the complexity of duels. Instead of being able to play a certain way into X character during Y situation, sometimes it doesnt matter the situation and you might not be able to take a duel on someone simply because of the role passive. Heroes in overwatch all play differently to a degree but I think the degree at which they are different becomes less significant with role passives and in turn makes the game dumber/lowers the skill ceiling. I am however glad he mentions introducing things that are involved with a specific heroes KIT. During the latter half of ow1 booping a rein wasnt possible, yeah it was sort of annoying but I think its so much more interesting or interactive than global role passives.
44:55 - I do wonder if this patch fails in making the solo tank experience fun maybe Alec & the ow team could consider experimenting with 6v6 again? I just feel like the complaints that he and Spilo mentioned literally can be solved with having an offtank. I really want to see what they have in store for fixing the tank experience because I want to see if 5v5 can reach the same heights that 6v6 had. But so far it hasn't and the switch to 5v5, to me, feels like a really unfortunate mistake.
These are just some of my immediate thoughts from what I heard, I'd love to see what other people think because as Spilo mentioned the dev->community feedback used to be nonexistant now we are getting actual interviews and communication which is amazing to see.
Great interview Spilo. Your attentiveness to responses and ability to immediately process their significance is impressive. A very good quality for an interviewer. One, that many famous hosts lack.
Timestamps
00:00 introduction and Alec's background
8:40 season 11 and new heroes
18:00 low skill ceiling supports and projectile dps
22:00 psychological factors of balance
27:00 wreckingball
30:00 approach to hero design
33:40 sources of feedback
35:50 aggressive and frequent patches
38:00 internal testing process
40:00 more balance philosophy
42:50 passives
45:10 solo tank issues
48:40 pickable passives
51:20 roadhog, orisa, mauga
53:00 bug fixes
53:40 space ranger and upcoming tank changes
no 6v6 - probably because the higher ups don't want them talking about it. I get the sense that the devs who actually make and design the game would want to be transparent on the issue but are just not allowed to engage with it
Thank you
i dont think so. 6v6 is of the table, maybe also related to engine problems wich would cost month to adress, i think a tanky DPS and DPSy Suppport in 5v5 would solve the problem more.
So 1 Tank, 1 tanky DPS who has like 300-425HP, smaller hitbox (kindof inbetween DPS and Tank), 1 DPS, 1 supportive DPS (like zen, ana, argubly moira) and one Support (Mercy, Lucio, LW). We would need a new queue System for that but prefered queue would be an example for a possible sollution
@@maxmoch6044 ye I also think it's off the table, I was moreso speculating as to why they are unwilling to bring it up and even just say "6v6 isn't coming back"
@@dumass804 i think they dont want to get heat around that topic and just let it cool off. Imagin how many videos and tweets will come up now around that topic when saying 6v6 will never come back. They can bring it back as a gamemode in arcade kind of like an aniversery event or smth. Still dont know how its going to work with engine stuff but they keep the possibility open when needed
@@maxmoch6044 ye good point
very good questions 👍👍👍
how do i get out of bronze on doomfist 🧍♂️
@@spxctive play roadhog
Only because he mentioned your name once, L.O.L.
@@springroll4421 correct answer
@@spxctive Don't play Doomfist
Oh my god, they FORGOT about console during an entire character release? I knew we were the step children, but I didn’t realize we were just entirely forgotten.
Alec did briefly mention console at 39:22. Spilo just didn't really ask any console related questions.
@@theCometPM I’m referring to the fact that he said they forgot entirely about consoles during the testing and release of lifeweaver. Just forgot controllers existed. Shows how little they think about how the game works there.
@spacecowboy7193 Ah okay, yeah it is a bit weird how it's an afterthought when it's probably close to or the majority of the player base.
That’s insane
“Loud man with a mic” 💀 why did I not notice that in the stream..
it wasnt in the stream
@@zyonthelickman oh okay lol
6v6 talk being banned from all communication is one of the main reasons I can't take Alec and the dev team seriously. If at least they could just be upfront and tell us 6v6 is dead and will never come back, at least I could settle my expectations and leave this game.
Very good questions on your end Spilo, and no personal hate to Alec either. He's doing his job to the best of his abilities. But truth be told, those abilities and radio silence on 6v6 just isn't cutting it anymore. It's been 2 years of asking for why the change to 5v5 happened. It's been 2 years of all-hands-on-deck work to try and fix 5v5, and we're in no better state than when OW2 launched.
The fact that they won't even address the topic at this point feels insulting.
i quit this game months ago after they actively ignored 6v6 questions and told flats not to ask about it. it just feels so slimy like even if they dont want to go back to it, why won't they just acknowledge it being a thing???
they have literally said that verbatim in several previous dev interviews, people still kept asking, it got to the point where it just became annoying, so now it's a banned topic. nice gaslight trying to pretend it was never answered tho
@@AximVidya no they haven't. They haven't addressed it. They've just addressed the fact that they don't like talking about it. That's not hte same
@@Real_MisterSir they have tho. it's unfixable because way less than 33% of the playerbase want to play tank, leading to excessive queue times on dps and support. that is me paraphrasing the exact answer to that incessant question I have heard in several dev interviews. you just pretend it wasn't answered cause it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear.
@@AximVidya Dude, don't with these people. They've gaslit themselves. The devs literally said not that long ago, "We currently have NO plans to look at 6v6."
That's the answer. They are not looking at it and are not currently thinking about it.
We're in a continuous loop of saying that oh this next patch is going to make tank feel more fun for like the last 2 years, and we just forget every time that the problems are fundamental and not numbers based
Yep. They think if they just keep making tanks more and more overpowered, it'll solve the problem, even though the problem is that tanks lack depth. They have this idea that players want a "power fantasy", but that's not why people play competitive games at all.
@@DevinDTV nice bait
@@DevinDTV
Ngl you almost got me.
Very good bait.
The pickable passive has potential to be really really great. Certain passives may work well into kits of certain heroes. It may certainly give a bit more autonomy which would be great.
Nice paladins copy.
@@RandomVids0987Fr they going full Paladins now 😂 just need to add horses too
its going to be more confusing for players due to added information but hopefully it gets better.
@@RandomVids0987Paladins created packable passives.
@@josephreynolds2401 Homie, if you only knew.
Okay then, here's my issue. Balls rework did not solve any of his issues. He still gets countered by 0 skill abilities, despite not having any counterplay, he still gets yeeted across the map despite knockback reduction apparently existing and he still relies heavily on his dps to dive, since his tickle damage is negligible, a mercy holding down a 0 skill button counters all his damage. What can we do to fix this and make ball not feel like a nightmare where both sides feel like they are forced to swap?
6v6
delete ball
as a sombra main, I'm doing my part making ball players delete the game, one by one >:3
balls entire kit is based on annoying the enemy team. these types of characters are not healthy for the game. ball shouldnt be in a good state
@@AximVidya lmfao imagine being such a waste of life. so this is what the blizzard defender drones do in their spare time
@@AximVidya thank you so much for hleping me understand why somebody would actually prefer 5v5. its because you are a worthless waste of life whos only way to feel you are providing literally anything of worth to the world is by abusing 5:1 counter watch. Suddenly everything makes perfect sense
Did they ban 6v6 questions in this interview as well?
Yes
@@moleedaboiWhy are they being pussies about the question?
They're banned from all interviews I'm p sure
actually 1984
Wait there was a 6v6 ?
This was the perfect type of interview for you to host. You have a unique perspective and view on change within the OW creator community and thus did a nice job of balancing meaningful questions about philosophy and juicy questions about future releases. One thing I’m hearing between the responses is that it’s possible the core technical design of Overwatch does not have all the levers the devs would love it to have to make meaningful change. If I’m right in assuming that it, it completely reframes the role of passives as a mechanism to tweak balance in my mind
"I think we've done a great job of communicating" *knew pve was scrapped for almost a year before telling playerbase.
My exact thought. Just terrible.
You realize that pve wasn't part of Alec's job, right?
@@Damocles450 You realize he's speaking about Blizzard in general right?
This is what you latch onto in this interview? It's clear at this point PvE was scrapped before a lot of the current team were in place. What happened was bullshit, but let's blame the right people.
Love seeing dumb takes like this put in their place
17:08 I think the problem with venture is they got hit with more nerfs than Kiri or sojourn in a faster time.
When you mentioned hog orisa and mauga meta, he said mauga is below average right now and I almost stroked
That’s because he is? Once you learn to play around him he really ain’t that bad
I rolled a team with a mauga on winston, map was watchpoint. On the right maps dive tanks just fuck mauga hard.
@@lukeaustin4465 now his team is pharaph torb imagine playing dive into that. EVERY. FCKN. TIME
Wdym, Mauga is pretty bad right now?
Bring out a single zen and he's useless
@@samn365 and they have cass + pharaph or tracer or even worse sombra
And if u are a rank main, wth do u do? U have to avoid him as much as possible
Thank you both for the interview! Excited to hear the Rein charge damage buff
"Roadhog is quite popular" because he was turbo overtuned and a free card to climb and not because the hero is fun, same with mauga 💀
its almost like up until before the buffs hog was already off on the farm
Nah people just also genuinely liked him by that I mean PLAYING him people usually collectively agree it wasn't great to face him but the actual gameplay a wide variety of people did in fact enjoy
He was fun when he was bad but you made him work in niche scenarios now hes just aids @sebastianrodriguez8992
And don't forget that easy one shots are fun for a lot of people. I personally would rather eat actual glass than play him
Hog is fun to play. Just not fun to play against. Mauga on the other hand....
Would appreciate if we were not walking on eggshells and actually brought up 6v6 and everything else that’s garbage. But I guess we gotta watch out so the poor devs don’t cry, lord forbid they get confronted
Bro fr
The irony is palpable.
All 6v6’ers do is cry. You’re crying right now because they don’t legitimize your constant crying and borderline harassment campaigns.
And as a spiteful person, I respect it. Grow up.
"borderline harassment campaign" is that how they see people asking to answer 6v6 questions? They treat it like Voldemorts name. If they can't speak about 6v6 then they should tell us why, unless they can't even do that. The more they try to stuff it into a closet the stronger the boogeyman becomes. @@why8642
Like flats said you have to run questions by then and 6v6 is a nonstarter for them
I feel like if they’re not even gonna answer a basic question like that it’s not worth doing an interview because it’s just gonna be nothingburger PR slop. You can’t just avoid it anymore hoping it’ll go away.
You know how you have those DISCUSSIONS with content creators? why would the developers not do one of those with someone like you instead of just answering questions
they dont want to answer some questions. also, every other discussion they had with other creators like flats and emong have been in a question format
@@skyler7017 yeah, it just stinks. like in regular interviews with some people you can have not prepared unstructured questions that they just say well i cannot answer that and be done with it.
the point i'm trying to make is that while this does bring SOME clarity to the developer/player relationship it still feels fake to me a little especially when there are so many questions that still feel unanswered because the game doesn't feel great right now and they're onlny focusing on small pieces of it
Long time tank main, first time caller and I just wanted to chime in on the "how to make tank more fun" conversation:
CC is super un-fun on tank, I hate that
High risk high reward gameplay is always more fun. Tanks have to play for sustain/survival so much that carrying is legit boring AND you'll get flamed by the DPS who can't stay alive every time
I say crank up their lethality, make shields and mitigation way more costly to use, and nerf healing across the board.
Seriously the #1 problem with overwatch is healing creep. It reinforces bad behavior and undermines good skill expression in a lot of cases. Don't believe me, try being on rein and killing an ana that self nades and then gets mercy heals. And I know the replies will be "well that just creates opportunities for...." but that's not the point. Your entire skill expression can be invalidated without needing a high skill counter play. And sure I play in plat and below, I know that in masters and up the TTK is super low comparatively, but also those high level supports are ALREADY playing aggressively (every coach/streamer I watch talks about this) so nerfing healing would only encourage more people to play the better way. Then counter the healing nerf with more lethality and utility and you've got yourself a fkn banger.
5v5 killed the game
Eww gross a 6v6 apologist
"Killed the game". 15th most played game on Xbox. Top 50 on Steam.
Maybe what's dying are your brain cells from watching garbage RUclipsrs' content selling you the falsehood that the game is dying or dead and how it's awful now.
Maybe if you stopped the brain rot from infecting you for a few weeks you'll realise that most of the negativity you feel about the game comes from these YTers telling you that you should feel negatively about it.
You're being exploited for views and engagement by grifters. No matter what happens they'll never stop finding something to complain about cause they can't get good views from making normal content. They have to do this "Negativity grift" to make money.
But no one wants to queue tank
I love 5v5. I feel like I'm actually able to have an individual impact to some degree. Also the game isn't a cluttered spam fest like it used to be.
@@1tzRay.mp4 OW2 is a dead game. only 6v6 will bring it back to glory. u guys were always wrong u just didnt know it
Until they simply talk about just the idea of 6v6 I’m somewhat apathetic to any dev interviews. Not because what they say isn’t important l, but because they simply refuse to talk about it, so much to the point that they completely cut off 6v6 questions. Why?
Because it's not coming back, just get over it
it's almost as though it's overwhelmingly clear that 6v6 isn't up for debate and they aren't doing it or something. wild.
@@archiesutherland6127 Nobody cares about your comment, just get over it
Even Jared Neuss vice president of ow2 said 6v6 nostalgia hits hard but well no longer see that anymore
I think it might've been Flats who suggested that the reason they don't talk about it is for some really wierd legal reason... rather than because they refuse to. Like the legal team at Blizzard are just like: You cannot talk about this subject, and you just have to follow that because you work there.
The only legal reason I could think of was that you can play Overwatch on a Nintendo Switch which does not have a lot of processing power and struggled to show 5v5 game play fluidly so has no hope of doing 6v6. And if Blizzard has signed some agreement with Nintendo that means they can't change the format based on that agreement. That's the most realistic logical thing I can think of anyway.
"Wants to shift power between heroes"
*shimada brothers crying alone in a corner*
Genji is played regularly at the highest level... hanzo and genji need 100% pick and winrate before theyre good enough?
Excited to see this!
Agreed! Saw something about hanzo can wait!
how does he understand that tanks should have weaknesses but not understand that 5v5 makes that so miserable without another tank to help cover ur weaknesses like surely they know its doomed to fail right?
Well the point is they shouldn't have NO weakness and that's kinda what tank duos did
X tank has X weakness so use Y tank to cover that weakness and then it becomes extremely difficult to take them down but then the same thing happened where if you combo X and Y support well now even they don't die
It wasn't great tbh
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 it was great because they had half the amount of hp so when you are able to look for an opening they just explode.. and they actually died to ultimates if they misuse their cooldowns instead of just walking it off with their giant HP pool
@@S3nCh4n I mean I guess but I never like the aspect of a TANK the character who's whole deal is being a large tough opponent being so easy to burn down unless they have a partner to cover for em
So in some cases I do actually like how tanks in ow2 feel since they seem like much bigger tougher adversaries instead of slightly tougher dps
But I can understand some of the frustration of outliers but I do like the general feel of ow2 tanks and if they did move back to the two tank model I'd hope they could hold the feel of tanks at least
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 The same argument can be made for supports in ow2, every support (barring LW and Mercy who are terrible in high level play) can simultaneously deal out damage while being unkillable and keeping their team alive as well as eachother. The support roles numbers had to be buffed up so much because there's only one tank to kill now so they have to be able to be all rounders. The only role that's not all-rounders in ow2 is DPS, instead they have to be given a built in counter measure to the insane amount of healing in the game, that once again is due to the fact there's only one tank. And even with that being the case tanks in ow2 still evaporate if their supports look away for more than 2 seconds. It's not fun as a tank to be a meat shield, it's not fun as a DPS shooting an unkillable meat wall and with supports being nigh impossible to kill DPS can only realistically kill other DPS without having to fight tooth and nail. And supports are forced to heal bot depending on the tank (Mauga, hog, orisa) or become 2 more dps who can once again only kill dps consistently, and even then skilless tank abilities like mauga E, now ball E, and FOUR SECONDS OF DEFENSE MATRIX can deny kills with little effort. I genuinely don't understand people who want these super tanks in this game, it's an objective decrease in playmaking potential. The only real argument I can see for 5v5 is supports have more flexibility to be independent (in some situations: when they're not forced to pocket a face tank) but even then in ow1 with tanks like ball being payable without having to be broken and others like hog who had options of their playstyles (like flank hog because they aren't leaving their team without a tank) you could have a main healer and off healer for utility. One thing i will give 5v5 is its much more easy to keep track of what's happening with two less people and ults, but even still Im sure my fellow average rank players will get into a fight where there's 6+ ults going off at once and it's no different than ow1. I genuinely think 6v6 under this team would be so good, they're willing to take risks and try things. We need to reevaluate the entire game from the floor up and get back at what makes overwatch fun.
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 thats the lowest iq statement i've ever heard, bro u dont even remember what 6v6 was like at all. In 6v6 tanks died so easily because they weren't built like gods cuz they didnt have to be. Literally the majority of dps could easily win a duel with a tank that is literally impossible nowadays
The word "Confronted" is doing a lot of heavy lifitng here. For a person who has so many thoughts towards overwatches design Spilo seems very quiet here.
Just accept your failure and do a soft reboot of the game with 6v6 back and some changes to the gameplay that is beneficial for the game ... Adding a lot of role passives not gonna save the game it will just make it more brain dead
And also bring back the old hit boxes ... My aim doesn't have any difference from WANTEDow's
This is just not fair at all that every new player with low mechanical skill can hit a lot of shots ...then What's the point of putting effort to raise my skills if a noob player can aim as pro's do
honestly man widow is even more annoying now because bigger projectile size = lower barrier of entry. Hell, i have maybe an hour total on widowmaker and i still force the enemies to restructure their entire team just to stop me from getting value easily. I'm not some aim god, granted i played a lot of shooters during my life but still, i feel like i'm committing a crime by playing widow.
When it comes to new players, what ow2 needs isn't bigger projectile hitboxes, but rather an actual tutorial for how the game works. Running around as s76 just ain't cutting it. Maybe even some sort of video tutorials, what do i know.
Your aim is not the same as Wanteds. You're just flat out wrong. Pros STILL don't hit every shot dumbass.
@@prismaticpaul exactly... I used to suck at widow ... All of a sudden magically I became a decent widow player 😂
It doesn't matter anymore I just deleted the game until they fix it
It's just really sad to see that my favorite game ... The game I was playing since 2018 turned into something like this .
I hope devs just wake up one day and fix everything by the help of the community...
I'm sad and mad at the same time because I care about the game and I want it to succeed...
@@leonsqueezy8691 Good, if you aren't happy playing the game don't play it. The playerbase is better off without you anyway. Though, I'm sure you'll keep whining about overwatch everywhere you can.
The way I would’ve had so many indirect 6v6 questions couldn’t be me interviewing they’d never do one again
not accepting 6v6 conversation is like people not wanting 2CP back. With the 5v5 format, AND the changes to respawning with the "group up" mechanic. 2CP would actually be more viable now then when it was in OW1
@@SuperLifestream that makes no sense what the fuck did I just read
Personally, I feel like the OW2 Doomfist, Orisa, and Roadhog reworks really missed the mark. Tanks who can't protect their allies from incoming damage, who deal lots of burst damage, and have very frequent stuns plus overlapping CC in their kit, are simply not fun Tank designs to play both alongside and against. I hope Alec and team revisits Doomfist, Orisa, & Roadhog's designs and balance to be overall healthier for the game.
Doomfist rework was actually good
@@donovan4222 Both OW1 and OW2 Doomfist are unhealthy for the game. They either need to make Doomfist a DPS hero again, but address the CC and single-target burst damage pain points players had facing OW1 Doomfist, OR they need to make Tank Doomfist more like Mirrorwatch Doomfist so he can actually Tank for his team. Empowered Punch should be removed either way.
Spoilers Ahead . . .
No 6v6 Questions were asked
Great! We don't need it
Such an npc question that would just be dodged anyway
@@dotnet9830not really, the better question would be how to fix the tank experience and it all leads back to 6v6
@@orangut4ng js make the tanks give only 1 percent ult charge per hit or sum lol
@@MarshPlays We do infact need it more then ever, ow2 is in the gutter at the moment compared to other games.
Love Spilo but this interview just saves face for them atp. I’m so tired of them being cowardly about certain design choices. They say they are being transparent but won’t address the elephant in the room. It’s exciting to hear about new things but we need answers to problems that have been plaguing the game for a while. I think we deserved answers at the very least even if they don’t fix the issues that most players have with the game. I’m officially dropping this game it’s so depressing to play and pink mercy won’t save it. 💔
Are you told before these interviews not to mention 5v5? Why don't devs ever wanna talk about it??
They are told which questions they can and can not ask, I believe flats had a video about this.
It's a stupid ass question. Total non-starter. 6v6 isn't viable because of queue times. 5v5 is workable but difficult. There's no reason to try and argue with 6v6 stuff for the devs at the moment because they're all aware it's a stupid idea.
@@sadbread2446 How is it not viable? The game has more people than it has ever had in its entire lifetime...
@@sadbread2446I value the quality of my matches more. Queue times are solvable, 5v5 is fundamentally flawed. Queue times can be solved by making tanks more engaging to play and balancing the hero pool of tanks and supports.
@@kamay7021does it tho? Que times have been longer than they've ever been & barely ANYONE is above Masters. let alone Champion. So que times should be shorter for everyone in Diamond & under.. no? But they aren't because there jus isn't as many people playing..
beatin around the bush... unfortunately, 6v6 remains a taboo topic in any public talk with blizzard. since all the content is getting framed in a way that 5v5 is the base of all discussions, I can't take this interview that seriously.
They should just announce publicly that bringing back 6v6 is never ever going to be worth even thinking about, so we can all shut up and move on.
They won't do that because they're saving it for the start of next year to generate hype and use it as an extra life when their game will die later this year
they literally said exactly that in oh so many interviews, you people just pretend they didn't cause it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear
@@orangut4ng LMAO pass me whatever you're smoking.
When did they explicitly say that? please quote the interviews. thank you. If it's really true, why is the community still debating about it, even asking for 6v6 qp hacked events including cc's like spilo, sprixy, flats, samito etc. ?@@AximVidya
@@AximVidya when did they explicitly make that statement? Pleas quote that interview. And if so, why are numerous content creators like flats, spilo, sprixy, svb, samito etc. still debating 6v6, even talking about a 6v6 qp hacked event idea?
what an incredible interview and interviewer, I hope you get an opportunity like this again because as someone who loves game design this was some good fucking food 🙏💖💖
even though it's not his realm, wish you would've asked about bans / appeals that we've seen recently that are really egregious
its the microsoft ownership, remember what they did to minecraft?
solo tank experience .the answer is nothing sandwich ...
My guess is they're working on it. They're not getting a thrill by _sabotaging_ the tank experience.
Reading between the lines were actually getting "our current problems don't compare to the difficulties of 6v6 balancing" and/or "wait until next season, because we're going to show what we can deliver in terms of the tank experience".
@@Babashfna I agree, I'm still waiting for a patch which looks like it even attempts to address the severity of counterpicking.
As for the Microsoft/esports stuff, I don't care too much. We're a closed habitat within those ecosystems. Unfortunately the only control we have upstream from our community is if we buy enough skins for them to weight our population better.
TLDR: I don't think talking about microsoft, maybe the esport, within our community is affecting anything. It's like talking to fish about the sea levels rising.
@@jacobbaartz7710 they've had 2 years to fix the 5v5 gameplay issues with all hands on deck. They can keep thinking whatever they want, keep iterating -regardless, their mindset is utterly cooked and 5v5 will never be solved. 6v6 was true Overwatch, what we have had ever since is nothing but a hollow shell of its former self and the devs are the reason we're still arguing the same exact issues as launch OW2 2022.
@@Real_MisterSir Literally nothing will make you happy. I'm tired of this conversation.
Can you give me an example of what could be done to reduce the severity of counterpicking, in 5v5?
Rivals comes out, ow tank players will switch to it. Ow will either die or fix their gameplay. Its that simple
Just tuned in, lemme guess you not allowed to mention 6v6.
Yup
another pretty useless interview in the end then
Ur not allowed to talk to blizzard unless you give them that hawk tttooo 😢
Can you time stamp where he says he's not allowed to talk about 6v6
@@stompingthegods5886 ...can you time stamp where they do talk about 6v6? if flats specifically couldn't ask about it, and spilo had to run the questions through blizzard first to even get to ask them, and did NOT mention 6v6, safe to assume they said he couldn't
Great interview Spilo! And big thanks for Alec to come on and talk about things that had the community wondering about.
Excited for Space Ranger!
These interviews are a complete waste if the devs are unwilling to answer real questions.
💢🐑
What real question’s? Oh wait let me guess…that terrible 6v6 format you all keep crying about😂
@@AyoBodee Id rather them give an answer on why they avoid 6v6 than hide away from it.
Personally I was not really a fan of 6v6 but I feel players desearve the right to an answer especially when the video is titled "I confronted the overwatch devs"
Having the devs script the questions in their favor is not confrontation. I want them to answer dificult questions even outside of 6v6. Hard to answer ones like
The cheater problem that is happening right now and how they are dealing with that.
Also these are the same questions they get asked by just about everyone else. Appart from "The new addition to the next ballance of heroes and that question about the up and coming new hero" We assentially saw the same questions that flats emong and Kar Q and that one reddit q and a asked that devs had already answered.
It’s scary how they have to mention how talented their devs every interview. It’s even scarier they still have to figure out the “framework” this game has to fit. How are we still doing this after 8 years? How are we still ignoring conversations going on in the community, how are we still struggling with balance, how are we still clueless about where the game is supposed to go? Why is cheating running rampant?Are we more focused on changing the game for the sake of changing it to make it their game? I’ve never seen a dev team being so clueless and slow. I’ve been playing since launch but the longer the game exists the worse the game is getting and I hate it does. Why? And why do we ignore the 6v6 conversation, this dev team makes me angry.
The devs piss me off too. Realizing how much they have been bending us ow fans over and over again for years with a lot of broken promises. But at this point i blame myself for sticking through with this game since launch 😭😭
@@beanjuice6012 I feel ya, I invested so many years in this pile of dogshit. It’s just so frustrating how they turn my favorite game into something worse every season :(
I read this with Meet The Grahams flow
@@Suicidalsheep Just leave then. Stop torturing yourself and play a game you actually enjoy.
@@lumenox8541 I think a break might be good indeed
Remember guys when you go into someone else’s space. You respect their wishes and be respectful. So if they don’t want you to bring up 6v6. You don’t do that.
But ik it’s shitty for us and I don’t agree with it. But you respect it
But we will protest still!
At this point I feel like it doesn't need to be bought up anyway. 6v6 only really gets spoken about through the lens of how tank feels to play, which is something they know needs addressing and are working on.
Time will tell if they get it right, but the fact they aren't scared to experiment gives me some hope for improvement.
@@nicetugboat 6v6 is better for dps and support too as now they have 2 killable tanks instead of a non-interactive Megazord whose survival is integral to not losing the fight but minimal to win the fight.
What do you mean “someone else’s space”? You act like Spilo is at Alec’s house or Blizz HQ. This is a neutral space if anything.
@@VladStopTalking the interviewee sets the interview rules.
Where’s the confront part? Or is that the bait click trick
I stopped playing Tank after 5v5 and now I'm concerned about the direction of the Support role. They've made it so healing feels borderline useless on many supports during an active fight. You basically have pray your Tank/DPS aren't constantly inting and use cover effectively. If you're casual or metal ranked, they're probably actively over extending and using cover AGAINST their own healers.
OK, no problem. Let's try adding some damage into the mix. But wait-- supports aren't supposed to be scrappy! You can't do as much damage and the damage you output is less effective because a) you can't apply the DPS passive to burst through healing b) health pools have been increased and that makes getting eliminations on support take MUCH longer.
You won't be carrying unless you're either sweating/lucky or several ranks in skill above your opponents. You heavily rely on your teammates to secure eliminations, but that coordination simply doesn't exist for most of the playerbase. Your pings? Ignored. Voice chat? No one participates anymore. Fortunately, you still have your cool downs. But those are long and kind of frustrating to wait for in a fast paced game. When they are used, many of them are overpowered and frustrating to play against.
There's the projectile size increase, but I wouldn't say my "shots feel better to hit" given the circumstances. It feels like you always need to reload right as you're about to accomplish something. How many damn times do you have to hit enemy Mercy for a kill when she's using her sympathetic recovery passive + your DPS won't shoot her to apply the passive? Too many! I would play Mercy, but she's felt awful ever since her movement was trashed post Season 2.
The new supports have been in a bad spot other than Kiriko. I hope Space Ranger is fun and not nerfed into ground soon after release. I understand heroes are sometimes over tuned on release need nerfs, but it's annoying to have every new hero dumpstered after being so hyped up to play them.
Like...I appreciate the chat but can we talk about WHY we don't want to do 6v6? It's clearly the elephant in the room that the team knows about and has caused the MOST tension in the community. Even saying something as simple as "We just don't think it's the right call" helps. Ignoring it all-together is just lame.
Once they say that, it’s a definite no. Atleast they can use it as a last resort if all goes south. They use these things as ammunition
they’re just avoiding it so they can draw people back in when 5v5 eventually dies
i'm guessing... spaghetti code. They probably overlooked a lot of character interactions with especially the new engine and couldn't be bothered to fix it.. probably easier to "rework" all the heroes than hire an experienced engineer to solve these issues
I think their refusal to talk about it means they definetly got it in the stash. They secretly know 6v6 was better and will eventually bring it back. Wether in months or years
@@TSGC16 cope
Non of this shit matters if they refuse to reconsider 6v6 entirely. Way to take feedback...
5v5 better
@@MarshPlays reviews and playerbase say otherwise.
@@dinosaurkin5093 what reviews? 99% of the negative reviews on steam happened on the first week it was added in august last year just because people were mad about the pve
for every 5v5 complainer there are 5 people playing the game right now having fun
@@MarshPlaysyou're just lying
@@MarshPlays so why can't they just add an arcade mode or something for the 6v6 enjoyers? half the arcade mode and hero gauntlet no one plays and are still in the game. so why keep those and not introduce a 6v6 arcade mode.
Did they force you to not talk about 6v6 like they did flats? I think your broad questions about the solo tank experience and tweaking it was pretty A+. good job Spilo. One day we'll get it.
These devs are a joke and 100% don’t deserve respect. They keep everyone in the dark about 6v6 and when the games tank population is falling off a cliff. Idgaf if you think it’s a “useless question” if these devs keep getting complacent and black listing this topic marvel rivals is going to kidnap a good chunk of the player base. Keep gaslighting yourself and thinking 5v5 is good but at the end of the day overwatch 1 was universally loved and overwatch 2 is universally hated outside of the weirdos that think this game is still good.
18:49 a lil bit better? turret got a 30% increase to healing and a 25% increase to health a 150% increase to damage on outburst. And only a 50% decrease to self healing which just means she’s only slightly worse at 1v1s, but ow isn’t always about 1v1’s. Also rein can’t 1 shot fire strike anymore.
Solid interview but really upset in what he had to say about projectile DPS heroes as well as the comment on Hanzo (Lol nothing for Genji either)
I don't understand why say something like "Okay Hanzo lost his identity, what do we do?"
But the answer has been there for years, he is a sniper, let him one shot, come on now.
Kind of hoping we move over to the 225 HP pool for majority of the heroes, would be the perfect middle ground for everything right now in terms of gameplay balance and flow.
Accept oneshots have no place in OW. The fact that you've been spoiled all these years doesn't mean it's right for the game. And don't tell me they're necessary because if they are they're patchwork
@@JeffreyHageExactly, they should just give hanzo more utility in another way, maybe 2 sonar arrows so it enables him to be constantly checking flanks? Something in that realm
@@JeffreyHage There is no rule that says one-shots should not be in Overwatch. I could say CC and teleports should not be in the game, but that is simply an opinion - just like yours.
Hard agree. I can only hope the "people currently working on him" will learn something in their testing.
@@afterthought9538 Oneshots have no place in OW is a observation, not an opinion
Could we get timestamps? No offense intended but there are a lot of questions I'm just not interested in.
put on subway surfers in a second tab while you watch
looks like they're added now
"Confronted" yet no 6v6 questions asked LOL
it's been answered like a dozen times. y'all are just pretending it wasn't cause you don't like the answer you were given.
quit being a bunch of annoying babies
@@AximVidya It's been answered exactly zero times. The only "answer" they've ever given us, is that they don't want to talk about it. That's not an answer, that's deflection.
@@Real_MisterSir yep yep, thats so true, they totally never explained how not enough people ever wanted to play tank to have 6v6 with 2-2-2 comp viable leading to excessive queue times, you're so correct. gaslight me harder daddy
@@Real_MisterSirthey answered plenty, by many people inside the community and inside of blizzard.
Eww a 6v6 apologist
Can they please just for the love of god bring 6v6 back I cant stand how blind they can be when it comes to tanks and what the community wants
“Confronted”. Nice click bait title though 😅
Love the video! Great Questions with great answers! Spilo works well as a connection between devs and community! Hope to see more in the future
Did he ask about 6v6??????
Blizzard won't talk about 6v6 because they're never going back to it.
Very well structured, though I don't think he shared anything tangible/radical. Everything he said we assumed/can figure out on our own. I would've liked it if you tried to press him onto the phenomenon of hard(and soft)core cheats on PC and the Zimmer infection for console players as we were promised things with S11 but nothing was shared at all and my experience on PC has not changed much, plus console community is reporting no changes as well.
Sigh.. of course, they ignored the 6v6 topic. For anyone still holding out hope for 6v6, use that energy for a company that respects its players. OW2 and blizzard are a lost cause. Marvel Rivals beta is this month, try it out.
Rivals plays nothing like overwatch
@@elwasted9216 Doesn't need to. The important thing is to stop wasting time on OW2 if you don't like the game rn. Lots of great games with good devs out there.
@@absolute-xero7502 great games, like marvel slop.
if you are holding out for a hero shooter hold out for one made by a company known to produce quality games. maybe one that's made hero shooters before. one that starts with a v, even
@@sadbread2446 where’s the tf2 update
@@elwasted9216 i am referring to deadlock
The problem I'm guessing is gonna happen with pickable passives is that there's gonna be some clear winners. Like you're only gonna pick one passive for most of the heroes. Which I think defeats the purpose a bit. Let's say you had to pick between shorter healreg cooldown or more ammo on cassidy. More ammo is just gonna be straight up better there 90% of the time even without fan the hammer having more ammo is gonna increase uptime and remove some situations where you have to reload and they are on 30hp.
Is this the guy who came up with concept of "brr titanic grip terminator" Mauga? cus I would like to have words then.
On a less derpy note. You can tell Spilo is a real person and not just your run of the mill streamer, very good interview technique - freeform within the framework. Well done.
Idk if he is even listing to anything anyone has said about the game in 7 years. This has to be the saddest thing I could listen to about overwatch
Did they talk about mauga? And possibly removing him from comp
Maugas the play if your team doesn't know what they're doing you just need better teams
@@sebastianrodriguez8992tf do you mean? He's hard meta and requires 0 skill to use. Gut him or remove him.
@@LeatherNinja Even in this interview Alec mentions in some cases maugas even underperforming and not picked as often
Just cuz you complain louder doesn't mean it's the truth he's really not that great until you hit literal GM or T500 then he starts getting traction
If he was really so brain dead or no skill why does he only start going positive in win rate when you hit the literal upper echelon of players?
He works well in coordinated play but outside of that he's not that great
@sebastianrodriguez8992 win rate is not the be all end all of balance. Them balancing purely around win rates tanked the game for a few seasons. Mauga having a higher wr in high ranks does not correlate to how much skill is required to play him. Teams are just better at playing around him in high ranks.
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 Mauga shouldn't be meta in any rank for any reason because of his design philosophy imo
Hear me out remove cardiac overdrive and replace it with a spiked riot shield. It will function like a mei wall/ Lw petal platform. IT IS NOT A BARRIER like rein shield with the size of a brig shield (will not cover the whole front of his body or team)
This will allow you to deal with projectile cc and allows for other supports to be used instead of forcing Ana Kiri
With this you can nerf his health slightly and increase spread when shooting both guns
Spiked riot shield named Spiral or Spirio( idk what to name it lol)
•drops/disables Gunny but shield can crit burning enemies and has a bleed effect
•active for 4 secs with a 4-6sec cooldown
•when broken cooldown increases to 6-8secs
•can be canceled by pressing button again
•DOES NOT regenerate even if cancelled early and only regenerates when broken
•cannot be pierced by any piercing abilities (because it’s a solid object not a barrier)
•has 300hp-500hp
•Has reduced movement speed of shooting 1 gun
•replaces quick melee with a shield melee (brigs shield bash without the movement)
Overrun with the Spiral/Spirio active
•can be used/cancelled while charging
•does boop damage plus bleed damage to enemies hit
•hitting burning enemies will crit doing double boop damage plus faster bleed damage
Cha cha with Spiral/Spirio
•either has normal single gun spread with a first person camera lock or increased gun spread with a third person camera lock not sure
•has the same reduced movement speed of shooting both guns
Maybe you can reduce or remove the damage reduction while charging to balance not sure tho
7v7 no hero limits
finally a real fucking discussion
Fuck it 20v20 all out warfare
@@Real_MisterSir 15v15 arathi basin
@@Real_MisterSir 20 reins vs 20 bastions to recreate the war
53:13 MAN I WONDER how much time it will take for them to recognize they broke dooms punch animation 2-3 szns ago (when u cancel punch with jump) before they just assign a low priority status to it, unless they do it by default w every doom bug that doesn't intervene w other heroes
wow spilo does have shirts
I’m not saying you have to bully and confront the devs about 6v6 like it’s a protest or something, but the fact that they refuse to even take questions about it is getting extremely weird. Why is 5v5 so important to them? Is it just ego that they created OW2 that way and refuse to even think about other formats? Why are they willing to talk about redesigning every hero but not even take a question about a potential 6v6 OW classic game mode? Why is this such a scary “taboo” topic for them? It’s so strange and I don’t get it at all.
"Challenging" the question about projectile heroes as a first reaction to your question by mentioning Venture and Pharah is actually insane.
I started seeing red🤣 but on a real note you gotta keep in mind this guy doesn’t actually play the game he just looks at numbers on the spread sheet
@@kingvalor8265 He ain't looking good enough at the numbers
@@kingvalor8265he's a gameplay designer. He can't just look at numbers otherwise he's doing his job wrong 😂
Yall, this isn’t Fromsoft and Capcom. They’re not a company that has devs which play the game at a high level.
You can tell what company is good based on how many of their devs play their own game at a high level
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 venture and pharah just saw a large amount of playtime at the highest level. They're just good right now lmao
why is this not on the main channel
Can anyone time stamp the part where he addresses 6v6?
Give it up. 5v5 is here to stay because nobody wanted to play tank in 6v6. DPS queues were 10-15 minutes in gold.
@@lumenox8541 Oh I already have, along with my entire friends list and most of the community. Was just curious if there was any reason to reinstall but I see the devs are still in delulu mode.
@@lumenox8541 Hm did you see the latest dev blog? I thought 5v5 was here to stay... I guess you were too focused on silencing people to be objective
So when the next patch does nothing for tanks, and it's still awful to play against and as, will we then start looking at format changes? Or are we just gonna keep throwing crap at the wall for the next 3 years to keep things "fresh".
At what point does the sunk cost fallacy come into play?
Give it up. 5v5 is here to stay because nobody wanted to play tank in 6v6. DPS queues were 10-15 minutes in gold. 6v6 is not magically going to make tank any more popular than it was in peak OW1.
Timestamps would be useful
Make some then
@@AJxM8 😂✊
Someone will make them. It's better to just listen to the full thing though.
amazing interview and amazing things to hear 👍
Alec Dawson is my supervillain. This man in my eyes almost single-handedly ruined this game for me. THIS GUY SUCKS.
touch grass my dude
heard they're adding another tank in overwatch 3. seems like a pointless change to me tho
So is pickable passives going to be like champion talents from Paladins? First more health, bigher hitboxes, and reduced healing. OW2 slowly becoming paladins 2 😂
You're also forgetting the change from 6v6 to 5v5 and passive regen 😂
Can't wait for the robotic horses
Yeah, next up is a pick/ban draft system instead of role lock.
Amazing insight, I love watching these types of discussions with the new OW 2 team to understand how things are going. I used to play OW everyday but it now shares time with DBD. I play genji/cassidy and all support, and even though I miss old genji I am now getting more interested again to playing OW 2 after taking a break from it because of the development team and how quickly they've responded to improve and changing the game being more aggressive.
Lol his non-response to Mauga just shows how out of touch they are. Mauga somehow managed to do the impossible and ruined an already ruined game
I will say Bravo on the colosseo rework. Very good work. Now please do havana and circuit.
my beloved hanzo 🙏
30:06 checkpoint lmao I hope he addresses 6v6
about hanzo they have really "only said yeah hanzo sucks now we'll look at him sooner or later its been 3 seasons but its fine, but yeah widowmaker we like, ooooo we like widowmaker, they buy the widow skins her oneshot is just perfect." rip hanzo and genji, left in the dust
everyone else didn't like hanzo identity. This wasn't a mistake. It wasn't poor judgement" It was the lesser of two evils.
@@jacobbaartz7710 i like hanzo but i dont want to get 1 shotted from someone who accidently shot his arrow through a choke
Genji and Hanzo are both good now. Its just that Genji takes skill and Hanzo is boring cause hes storm arrow spam bot now and lost his identity
what he mentioned during this part about giving "squirrely" characters 225 hp would go a long way to helping hanzo. i assume he's referring to kiriko especially, maybe mercy and lucio and some of the more mobile dps cast as well. having a hanzo who can one-shot a kiriko becomes a better widowmaker in that specific instance, because he still benefits heavily from storm arrow against tanks as well as being able to take out a key hero on the enemy team with relative ease. whereas widow is ONLY her one-shot and is ineffective on certain maps
Hanzo player found
How does Alec have a job? He may be one of the most inept devs in doing his actual job.
Just let the community-crafted mode people balance the game. I trust them way more with transparency and actually good, creative changes while integrating way more community feedback
Lol, lmao even
I don’t think our beloved content creators want to be paid in Prisms for their hard work to balance this sad game
If you actually play it with high level players... it is terrible.
It is literally moth meta. They created moth meta with one patch. Yup... that's what we want.
@@gregortheoverlander4122 thats because community crafted is a joke. i can put all my money on them making ow2 way more fun btw
@@gregortheoverlander4122 this is no where close to moth meta literally what? you mean to say two fast ressurects that only last 10 seconds each is equatable to 5 instant resurrections that last forever? maybe rez resets on valk is too much but let’s not over exaggerate. that version of rez is infinitely weaker when used incorrectly and gives similar value to now when it’s used correctly
alec dawson IS the problem with overwatch 2. he refuses to put 6v6 back. nothing will improve til then. there was a uniformity across all roles with 6v6, and this is the entire problem with the game. every problem stems from this fundamental flaw in ow2 design. and it's all spear-headed by Alec Dawson. Please, sir, leave the team and let someone else fix your mess. We don't like your dev work anymore. Not. A. Fan. At. All.
I want 2016 / October 2020 Overwatch 1 back. I'll take either form. But I want that. Nothing else.
6v6 will never come back unless you can magically increase the number of tanks that play the game. Even in peak 6v6, tank was by far the most unpopular role. This isn't even an OW problem specifically, in *any* game that has the Tank-DPS-Support trio, Tank is the most unpopular role. You cannot fix 6v6 queue times. 10-15 minute DPS queues in Gold, the most populous rank and most popular role by far, are unacceptable. Stop playing the game if you don't enjoy 5v5, literally nothing else will get the devs to listen if you feel that way.
I don’t understand why the devs won’t even talk about 6v6. Like… couldn’t they just say “No we won’t do it.” Or “We’re still thinking about it.”
That’s all the community wants and to refuse to communicate about it at all is disrespectful.
What's there to talk about? Any discourse about the matter will only put more fuel on the fire, and if the devs give a hard "no" then it's not like the 6v6ers will accept that. There is literally not any point in acknowledging the argument right now.
@@Damocles450I’m a 6v6er, if they came out and answered a hard no, I wouldn’t keep arguing, I’d literally just quit the game lol. There is a point in communicating actually, because at that point anyone left arguing is just silly and should be dismissed.
@@willmullins6209why haven’t you left yet? I’m curious. because they might bring it back?
@@Doomthepixarkida good chunk of people are just holding out hope lol
@@Doomthepixarkid tbf, the majority of people wanting 6v6 back will likely just leave if they said it was off the table. which would be a large amount of the player base. it would likely tank their sales and such. which is probably why they refuse to say anything.
some of them have realized this conundrum and have left already. its only a matter of time that more people will join 6v6 and those who were into 6v6 will have already stopped caring. which is worse because apathy is the death of a video game.
Other streamers doing interviews should take notes
so much wasted time letting him dodge the 6v6 bullet
unfortunately there is no "letting" here, even 1 question about 6v6 when they (most likely) asked him not to and spilo will immediately never have this sort of opportunity again
Tbf, even if they’re pulling a 1984 move, you still went to their house so you have to abide by their rules regardless of what you think of them. It’s called manners
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 sure but it’s just extremely weird they are willing to talk about pretty much anything except 6v6, like why is it this big scary and controversial taboo topic? It should be something we can talk about just like anything else
It would have been a waste of time to discuss it. It's clear that 6v6 isn't coming back. We already know the reason is queue times for tanks
@@BossKiller-ri6po That’s not a good reason imo. Queue times for 90% of players weren’t even that bad in OW1. Plus I’d rather wait an extra minute for a good game than get a faster queue for a bad game. If tank was as fun as the other roles there probably wouldn’t be queue time issues either.
An interview where the elephant in the room is not allowed to be addressed. Absolute clowns. 5v5 has sucked every single season. They have failed
Nerf this, Nerf that, bro the problem is 5v5. This entire video is such a useless conversation. Get them to confirm if 6v6 is coming back or not so everyone can move on
It's not coming back, move on
@@ghdsds BAHAHAHAHAH
I love how blizzard won’t allow any interview questions about 6v6! They must really love honest feedback !
6v6 is never coming back because queue times are unsolvable. No one wanted to play tank in 6v6 either.
@@lumenox8541 I don’t think anyone’s buying that, and if that was true why wouldn’t they say that instead of banning the question?
6v6 is a dead topic, quick queues and less visual clutter for spectators have such importance, why regress on those
Why would spilo ask about 6v6? He might as well ask about bringing back dps doom or lvl 3 torb turret.
6v6 is dead, the game is completely different, and they're not going to add it back. That being said I think if you bought ow1 you should be able to still play it even if it's just qp.
@@lukasg4807 “the game is completely different” It’s literally the same game as 2 years ago 🤣 you don’t have to want a 6v6 mode but to pretend like it’s too much work is just dishonest, it would be extremely easy to do a 6v6 game mode. Blizzard literally just did the same thing with WoW classic, and that was actually far more work.
any genji buffs mentioned timestamp plz
This comment section is so cringe. People stuck in the past saying they are going to protest over a video game change that was 2 years ago.
the worst is the people pretending it was never answered just because it wasn't the answer they wanted to hear
you just realized today the overwatch community are cringe? I realized when I saw people buying those kpop skins
The ball question answer is just awful. BALL is not fine but fckn MOIRA IS?! I CANT MAKE MY FRIENDS START PLAYING THE GAME BC SHE EXISTS BUT BALL WHO DOESNT DO ANYTHING BEFORE PLAT - NO!!! THATS UNTOLERABLE
Fuck blizzard balance team . Moira is ok when she plays w+m1 but ball who outplayed u is bad
It feels like they intentionaly make hard counters so bad players can win games they shouldnt but what if, what if we make all tank busters/counters take skill or be less effective on tank and WOW now people play tank and we dont have to throw bronze support into plat tank to have queues under 3 min
So illari is busted on purpose? 15:24
I genuinely don't understand why a support character has an ult capable of killing the entire enemy team.
most heroes on release are like that
he was saying illari was busted on release on purpose. then they dialed her back
Good to hear what they said about the state of tank. Still skeptical, but interested to see what the next patch will bring.
Eh, no one can just be honest. Ala like the late great Patrice o Neal . Just be like yo your game design and balance is shit. 5v5 is shit. Monetization is shit. The battle pass is shit. The mythic are shit. The amount of content coming out is shit. Scraping pve is shit, and knowing about it a year before and not saying anything is shit. Can you explain what are you people thinking. You got rid of ow1 for ow2 and yet ow2 had less features than ow1 was shit, and Why? Like wtf is up with that? Do that instead of walking on eggshells and pandering and pretending.
Look, I know you have to cozy up to secure interviews, but the way they walk around eggshells with communicating to these overwatch devs is not making anyone who feels frustrated with the game heard.
The community gives a lot of these content creators a platform and when given the oppurtunity, they don't bring up the main points of frustration the community has with the game.
Illari balance patch recently was a terrible move and I like playing her. But as someone who likes playing ana and zen, why migrate skill expression to the pylon? Why not get rid of the pylon or weaken that but put more emphasis on knowing when to heal or when to damage on illari?
That is a more fun gameplay cycle. Ana is literally the most popular support to play for a large portion of the games history.
I'm a support player I dont want support to be more easy to play, a support shouldn't be able to heal, peel, move away and damage, and tank (bap and brig have a lot of effective hp)
All these immortality and invulnerability abilities are out of place in ow. Zen trans cant save you from a widow headshot but a bap immort can? Kiriko just takes a lot of skill expression away from ana, she literally counters sleep and nade.
And now, I know those are problematic in a 5v5, its annoying for tank players to get naded or slept, but this literally wasn't a problem with two tanks as they can shield the ana off angle, dva matrix it, or zarya can bubble cleanse it, or a tank could dive her to take pressure off another tank.
They harmed ow a lot by making it 5v5, in addition, idk who in their right mind wanted switch players to be put in with ps4 and Xbox players, but no one in the switch community, at least the content creators, streamers and higher elo players, wanted that, it literally killed the community on switch.
Right on dude. I wanna frame this comment and throw it at them I swear to god
Who dafuq plays overwatch on a switch
@@Savevade Not a lot of people, but the experience is so stupid and scuffed that it somehow created a pretty close knit community. I meet a lot of people there. Basically everyone knew each other, so each ranked match was like playing against people you know.
Queue times got a bit long but you just talked with ur stack in the meantime. While Xbox, PS4 and PC were struggling in the double shield meta, people in switch were running the funnest team comps and all of it was viable because meta wasnt as strong on the switch.
Every tank combo was actually viable lmaoo I miss it
blizzard devs need to get real
All the ppl complaining that the devs dont talk about 6v6, u are actually a bigger problem bc u still play this game despite all the problems it haves
Enough bro. Just do 6v6.