It would be great if Mariko were still alive, but the historical facts are as follows. Mitsunari Ishida (Ishido in SHOGUN), who was an enemy of Ieyasu(Toranaga in SHOGUN), tried to take Garasha Hosokawa (Mariko Toda in SHOGUN) hostage at Tamatsukuri's Hosokawa mansion in Osaka, but Garasha refused. The next day, Mitsunari went out to use his force and had his soldiers surround the mansion. When the vassals told Garasha everything, Garasha prayed a little, then gathered all the maids and ladies in the mansion and said, ``As my husband has commanded, I alone want to die,'' and led them outside. . Later, as suicide is prohibited in Christianity, the chief retainer, Hidekiyo Ogasawara (Shosai), intervened with Garasha and committed suicide by setting explosives in the mansion and setting it on fire so that no body would be left behind. Her death haiku was, ``Only when you know when it is time to scatter can flowers in this world become flowers and people become people.'' A few hours after her death, Father Niecchi Sordi Organtino visited the burnt remains of the Hosokawa mansion, picked up Garasha's bones, and buried them in the Christian cemetery in Sakai.
There's a big plot hole in this story. Akechi was the body gaurd of Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiaki, who was killed by Odo Nobunaga, he avenged his lord 9 years later. He was then defeated by Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa. In the show Toronaga (Tokugawa) says it was Akechi's plan to marry Mariko to Buntaro Toda, who was loyal to Toronaga, her father's enemy. Why would Mariko be so loyal to Toronaga? Why not kill him and avenge the great injustice of her father, The Great lord, being stabbed in the back by a Peasant upstart and his Samurai bootlicker? Obviously her marriage was the price of the Toronaga clan supporting him. The Great Lord's plan wasn't too sacrifice his whole family too put a Peasent in charge of protecting the Emperor and the Realm. Toronaga betrayed Akechi. Then sacrificed his daughter 😂.
I am Portuguese. Somethings annoys me on this show. Its says that English and Portuguese where enemies. Thats not true. Portugal and England are allies to this very day since 1386, the Treaty of Windsor. What happen in the 1600s was that the rule or Portugal was in fact in the hands of a Spanish king, since king D Sebastian died in 1578 and there was no heir so the Spanish king Felipe took the Portuguese crow since was the next of kin. Spain was indeed a very serious enemy of England for several centuries. I hate when shows just hide historical fact just to to the sake of drama. Besides that this show is flawless.
I would like to express my opinion as a Japanese person regarding the issues you mentioned. I haven't watched this drama, and I don't know the details of how much of the conflict between Portugal and England is depicted, but I think it's probably exaggerated to make the British protagonist stand out. It's not hard for me to imagine this. It is true that in 1600 Portugal was in a confederacy with Spain, and strictly speaking it was Spain that was in political conflict with England. However, from the Japanese perspective, both Spain and Portugal were originally the same Jesuit power, and even though they were aware of the political situation in Europe in both countries through missionaries, I don't think the Japanese people felt a big difference. In addition, Catholic forces carried out trade and missionary work at the same time, which was a big difference from England and the Netherlands, which did not carry out missionary activities. When Miura Anjin (John Adams), the model for the main character of the drama, was washed ashore in Japan, Jesuit missionaries who feared the spread of Protestantism stubbornly advised Ieyasu, who later became the shogun, that he should be executed. British and Dutch traders also worked to exclude Catholic countries from Japan in order to prioritize their own interests. These series of actions by Europeans are clear facts even in history books. I would like people to know that in this far eastern island nation, apart from the situation in Europe, there was a fierce conflict between religious groups with conflicting interests. Just to be clear, just because Japanese people a few hundred years ago rejected Catholicism, Japanese people do not develop hostility toward Catholic countries such as Portugal and Spain by watching historical dramas. On the contrary, the majority of people view it favorably. I am not very religious either, but I am one of the few Catholics in Japan. There are many people overseas who do not know about the history of Japan or the missionary work of Christianity in Japan. I hope that this drama will help people learn about the existence of hidden Christians（Kakure Kirishitan） who have continued to adhere to the Catholic faith for 250 years in Japan, where Christianity was strictly prohibited. I think you can enjoy the drama even more if you do that.
@@user-zh4rj8nm4x I do understand your point of view. However it needs to be clear that Portugal and England had and still have a strong alliance, the only reason that by the 1600s the alliance was put into a halt is because Spain has taken over the rule of the Portugal, thus compeling Portuguese conscripts to fight Spanish enemies, Spain was a very serious enemy of England back in the day. Regarding Portuguese occupation in Japan I should mention that a lot of Portuguese missionaries where captured and killed by Japanese authorities, these people gave their own blood for having the audacity to bring Christianity to Japan. Althow I dont blame Japan for these actions, they happened long ago, I should mention that the presence of Portugal in Japan changed Japan foverer and it takes an enourmous amount of courage to sail over a great deal of ocean and share the message of Christ, knowing that they could die for it. I am nor religious but I am proud of my countrymen back in the day.
@@humbertoventura1344 I haven't seen the modern series, but I've read the book, a hardcover, so many times that it fell apart. In the book, *Blackthorne* even points out at least once that *Portugal* and *England* were allies, but are now enemies due to political control by *Spain.* If I remember correctly, *Blackthorne* reminds *Rodriquez* of their countries' former alliance in order to at least reduce *Rodriquez's* hostility towards him, if not make him a friend. *Rodriquez* brushes aside this statement by saying that this was in the past and their countries are now enemies. Furthermore, Father *Alvitos* is hostile to *Blackthorne* due to their different religious denominations and beliefs, and the political differences between their home countries are just an additional reason, if not just an excuse. Father *Alvito* knows full well that the Japanese only want to trade silk with *China* through them and that they don't care about Christianity at best. Well, actually they would prefer to trade directly with *China,* but due to political differences that is not possible. The missionaries are tolerated because they are needed as interpreters. If they were expelled from the country, they would no longer be able to spread Christianity. *Holland* and *England* just want to trade, they don't care about religion. That's why they would be able to drive out the *Portugal* and *Spain.* Which is what happened. Furthermore, no matter how friendly *Portugal* may have been towards *England, Portugal* would certainly not have liked *England* taking away its extremely lucrative trade with *China* and *Japan.* With so much money, the fun stops and the alliance comes to an end. Unless, of course, other factors such as *Portugal's* own economic and military weakness compared to *Spain* and the resulting threat to *Portugal's* own national independence would have a higher priority. Then *Portugal* could accept this financial loss with a “toothache and stomachache” and a “clenched fist in its pocket”. On the other hand, *Portugal* would then be even more weakened economically and consequently militarily, that its independence from *Spain* would depend on England and would therefore be dependent on *England.* Would that improve his situation? Which in turn raises the question of whether such a weakened *Portugal* would be in *England's* interest, because who wants a weak ally to stand up to or even defeat a strong enemy? This weak ally would be more of a burden. Did *England* and *Holland* ultimately harm themselves geopolitically by weakening *Portugal* by taking over the *Japan* - *China* trade?
Born in Kosovo, from Hungarian parents ? died 2 years ago in San-Salvador during drugs gang wars ? Buried in Principality of Liechtenstein ? That Mariko ?
@@DrCruel Maybe so, but the video creator meant the *historical model* and if you're referring to the actress of *Mariko* from the 80s, you're missing the point, or as a teacher would say: "Missed topic. Sit down, F." You loved the story of “Shogun” and probably the series too. You can now say "that there is only one true Shogun series and that is the one from the 80s" or you can be happy that there is a modern remake of it and that it is so successful and popular that the book and the story becomes well known again. If you choose the former, then you'll cling to the past and possibly mourn a deceased actress and feel bad, which doesn't change anything except your mood for the negative, or you'll enjoy the new series and *Anna Sawai's* portrayal of *Mariko.* Your decision.
The relationship on the show w her and the Englishman didn’t make sense imo. Seeing how she was all about honor duty and tradition the relationship seemed uncharacteristic especially w everything going on around her
It would be great if Mariko were still alive, but the historical facts are as follows.
Mitsunari Ishida (Ishido in SHOGUN), who was an enemy of Ieyasu(Toranaga in SHOGUN), tried to take Garasha Hosokawa (Mariko Toda in SHOGUN) hostage at Tamatsukuri's Hosokawa mansion in Osaka, but Garasha refused. The next day, Mitsunari went out to use his force and had his soldiers surround the mansion. When the vassals told Garasha everything, Garasha prayed a little, then gathered all the maids and ladies in the mansion and said, ``As my husband has commanded, I alone want to die,'' and led them outside. . Later, as suicide is prohibited in Christianity, the chief retainer, Hidekiyo Ogasawara (Shosai), intervened with Garasha and committed suicide by setting explosives in the mansion and setting it on fire so that no body would be left behind. Her death haiku was, ``Only when you know when it is time to scatter can flowers in this world become flowers and people become people.''
A few hours after her death, Father Niecchi Sordi Organtino visited the burnt remains of the Hosokawa mansion, picked up Garasha's bones, and buried them in the Christian cemetery in Sakai.
Netflix please take notes how to make strong female characters and how to do anything else on that matter
love it
Fun fact my name is Marikho and seeing the name Mariko feels soo weird 😂😂😂
Marico in spanish is gay😂
Name of opening music?
There's a big plot hole in this story. Akechi was the body gaurd of Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiaki, who was killed by Odo Nobunaga, he avenged his lord 9 years later. He was then defeated by Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa.
In the show Toronaga (Tokugawa) says it was Akechi's plan to marry Mariko to Buntaro Toda, who was loyal to Toronaga, her father's enemy.
Why would Mariko be so loyal to Toronaga? Why not kill him and avenge the great injustice of her father, The Great lord, being stabbed in the back by a Peasant upstart and his Samurai bootlicker?
Obviously her marriage was the price of the Toronaga clan supporting him. The Great Lord's plan wasn't too sacrifice his whole family too put a Peasent in charge of protecting the Emperor and the Realm.
Toronaga betrayed Akechi. Then sacrificed his daughter 😂.
If i hear TokugaVa one ore time i'm gonna lose it lol
These names are hard man 😂
thanks for the research
I am Portuguese. Somethings annoys me on this show. Its says that English and Portuguese where enemies. Thats not true. Portugal and England are allies to this very day since 1386, the Treaty of Windsor. What happen in the 1600s was that the rule or Portugal was in fact in the hands of a Spanish king, since king D Sebastian died in 1578 and there was no heir so the Spanish king Felipe took the Portuguese crow since was the next of kin. Spain was indeed a very serious enemy of England for several centuries. I hate when shows just hide historical fact just to to the sake of drama. Besides that this show is flawless.
I would like to express my opinion as a Japanese person regarding the issues you mentioned.
I haven't watched this drama, and I don't know the details of how much of the conflict between Portugal and England is depicted, but I think it's probably exaggerated to make the British protagonist stand out. It's not hard for me to imagine this.
It is true that in 1600 Portugal was in a confederacy with Spain, and strictly speaking it was Spain that was in political conflict with England.
However, from the Japanese perspective, both Spain and Portugal were originally the same Jesuit power, and even though they were aware of the political situation in Europe in both countries through missionaries, I don't think the Japanese people felt a big difference.
In addition, Catholic forces carried out trade and missionary work at the same time, which was a big difference from England and the Netherlands, which did not carry out missionary activities.
When Miura Anjin (John Adams), the model for the main character of the drama, was washed ashore in Japan, Jesuit missionaries who feared the spread of Protestantism stubbornly advised Ieyasu, who later became the shogun, that he should be executed.
British and Dutch traders also worked to exclude Catholic countries from Japan in order to prioritize their own interests. These series of actions by Europeans are clear facts even in history books.
I would like people to know that in this far eastern island nation, apart from the situation in Europe, there was a fierce conflict between religious groups with conflicting interests.
Just to be clear, just because Japanese people a few hundred years ago rejected Catholicism, Japanese people do not develop hostility toward Catholic countries such as Portugal and Spain by watching historical dramas. On the contrary, the majority of people view it favorably.
I am not very religious either, but I am one of the few Catholics in Japan.
There are many people overseas who do not know about the history of Japan or the missionary work of Christianity in Japan.
I hope that this drama will help people learn about the existence of hidden Christians（Kakure Kirishitan） who have continued to adhere to the Catholic faith for 250 years in Japan, where Christianity was strictly prohibited. I think you can enjoy the drama even more if you do that.
@@user-zh4rj8nm4x I do understand your point of view. However it needs to be clear that Portugal and England had and still have a strong alliance, the only reason that by the 1600s the alliance was put into a halt is because Spain has taken over the rule of the Portugal, thus compeling Portuguese conscripts to fight Spanish enemies, Spain was a very serious enemy of England back in the day. Regarding Portuguese occupation in Japan I should mention that a lot of Portuguese missionaries where captured and killed by Japanese authorities, these people gave their own blood for having the audacity to bring Christianity to Japan. Althow I dont blame Japan for these actions, they happened long ago, I should mention that the presence of Portugal in Japan changed Japan foverer and it takes an enourmous amount of courage to sail over a great deal of ocean and share the message of Christ, knowing that they could die for it. I am nor religious but I am proud of my countrymen back in the day.
@@humbertoventura1344
I haven't seen the modern series, but I've read the book, a hardcover, so many times that it fell apart.
In the book, *Blackthorne* even points out at least once that *Portugal* and *England* were allies, but are now enemies due to political control by *Spain.*
If I remember correctly, *Blackthorne* reminds *Rodriquez* of their countries' former alliance in order to at least reduce *Rodriquez's* hostility towards him, if not make him a friend.
*Rodriquez* brushes aside this statement by saying that this was in the past and their countries are now enemies.
Furthermore, Father *Alvitos* is hostile to *Blackthorne* due to their different religious denominations and beliefs, and the political differences between their home countries are just an additional reason, if not just an excuse.
Father *Alvito* knows full well that the Japanese only want to trade silk with *China* through them and that they don't care about Christianity at best.
Well, actually they would prefer to trade directly with *China,* but due to political differences that is not possible.
The missionaries are tolerated because they are needed as interpreters.
If they were expelled from the country, they would no longer be able to spread Christianity.
*Holland* and *England* just want to trade, they don't care about religion.
That's why they would be able to drive out the *Portugal* and *Spain.*
Which is what happened.
Furthermore, no matter how friendly *Portugal* may have been towards *England, Portugal* would certainly not have liked *England* taking away its extremely lucrative trade with *China* and *Japan.*
With so much money, the fun stops and the alliance comes to an end.
Unless, of course, other factors such as *Portugal's* own economic and military weakness compared to *Spain* and the resulting threat to *Portugal's* own national independence would have a higher priority.
Then *Portugal* could accept this financial loss with a “toothache and stomachache” and a “clenched fist in its pocket”.
On the other hand, *Portugal* would then be even more weakened economically and consequently militarily, that its independence from *Spain* would depend on England and would therefore be dependent on *England.*
Would that improve his situation?
Which in turn raises the question of whether such a weakened *Portugal* would be in *England's* interest, because who wants a weak ally to stand up to or even defeat a strong enemy?
This weak ally would be more of a burden.
Did *England* and *Holland* ultimately harm themselves geopolitically by weakening *Portugal* by taking over the *Japan* - *China* trade?
The real Mariko was called Yoko Shimada. She died almost two years ago.
Born in Kosovo, from Hungarian parents ?
died 2 years ago in San-Salvador during drugs gang wars ?
Buried in Principality of Liechtenstein ?
That Mariko ?
@@krixpop The Mariko from the original Shogun series from the eighties.
@DrCruel
The "real Mariko" meant the *historical original* and not the actress in the earlier series from the 80s.
@@patrickrada2923 Not to me.
@@DrCruel
Maybe so, but the video creator meant the *historical model* and if you're referring to the actress of *Mariko* from the 80s, you're missing the point, or as a teacher would say:
"Missed topic. Sit down, F."
You loved the story of “Shogun” and probably the series too.
You can now say "that there is only one true Shogun series and that is the one from the 80s" or you can be happy that there is a modern remake of it and that it is so successful and popular that the book and the story becomes well known again.
If you choose the former, then you'll cling to the past and possibly mourn a deceased actress and feel bad, which doesn't change anything except your mood for the negative, or you'll enjoy the new series and *Anna Sawai's* portrayal of *Mariko.*
Your decision.
The relationship on the show w her and the Englishman didn’t make sense imo. Seeing how she was all about honor duty and tradition the relationship seemed uncharacteristic especially w everything going on around her