The Chevy box is 6.10 and the ram is 6.4 it’s 6 inches longer than the ram box the Chevy also has taller bed rails that are chiseled out to make the overall bed wider.
@TruckKing Serious question - I had a 2020 GMC 2500 with the Duramax and much like most of the owners from 20-23, there is a very distinct thumping noise at idle which gets faster as the RPM’s go up. It was literally driving me nuts and I eventually sold it. GM never acknowledged there was any issue with it and said it’s just a natural noise of the L5P. Can you tell me if your Chevy is thumping like described? I’m back in the market for an HD diesel and would love to know if this is still happening in the Gen2 motors.
I am a GM person and will say the Silverado is a great truck from top to bottom. But all 3 makers have incredibly capable choices regardless of brand, its really about personal choice.
@@mikelandryjr7310if you’re keeping a truck long enough to worry about all that then you may want to consider a Ram with an Aisin transmission. Much cheaper repairs in the long run. But none of that matters if you’re buying new every 100k miles.
During your discussion, you mentioned going to a Chevy 3500. I noticed Mom gave a thumbs up. My thoughts: 1. The Chevy's are made in Canada. 2. The Chevy 3500 long bed will give you the towing capacity and pin placement that you need. 3. Mom gave the thumbs up and she legally owns 1/2 of the asset. It's a no brainer.
Yes, and if you want an American pie, go with the Ford super duty made in Kentucky, US of A. Now, if you want to push the envelope and feeling the Mexican vibe, go with the Ram 2500 to 550 series which are all made in Saltillo, Mexico. Guts-Glory-Ram!
I’ve owned 5 Ram’s and for the 2024 model I am switching to GMC or Chevy. Thank you for the video! One of many which all say the same thing…for towing, the new GM HD’s are the way to go.
I agree with you guys. I had the 2022 tundra and found it swayed exactly as you experienced with your ram, I wasn’t comfortable going over 105 km, and I believe it’s because of the coil springs. I switched to a Silverado trailboss with 3.0 duramax and much more control towing my setup (6000 lbs) , which I believe is due to the Silverado still utilizing leaf springs.
Hey, guys, always love your reviews and dad, you're never an idiot. You always speak your mind, and it's always in the right direction. Love what you guys do.
I have basically same Ram and adding airbags makes a big difference when towing and is a must for me with anything under 1 ton truck. Keeps it level and stiffens up rear so it takes bumps and things much better with less bounce and sway. And if you use with daystar cradle, still maintains non towing comfort of coil spring rear.
@@stiffmeister0hYeah No, it is a travel trailer at about 8000lbs fully loaded up. Yeah most 5th wheels necessitate a 1 ton truck because of the pin weights. There are some "1/2 ton towable" 5th wheels but they are more like "3/4 ton towable". Grand Design Reflection 150 5th wheel has less pin weight that most 5th wheels and those work OK with most 3/4 tons.
@@coomikaze21what’s frustrating is the chassis is the same on a 2500 and 3500 srw. So that 10k gvw is just a number the govt wants to put on it to tax us. I like what GM did was increase the gvw of the truck to 11,500. Which basically makes in a 3500 srw. You can tow almost all 5th wheels under 40 feet with that and be fine pay load wise. What gets me is my 2013 ram 2500 has a payload around 2500 lbs. I have a 12.5k trailer which puts me right at my payload, not including hit hitch and family. Now I know I am over my weight but the truck barely squats and handles the weight just fine (I added bags for added stability). I just frustrates me that if I get a 3500 my registration. Insurance etc are going to skyrocket just because the govt wants to put a number on something
If you’re going GM might as well buy a GMC exterior styling is more appealing plus you can get a lower trim and still get LED headlights which if I was traveling especially at night those make a huge difference.
I think anything over 12,000lbs a one-ton is the way to go. I have a 2500 RAM 6.4 with a bumper hitch of 785lbs hitch weight and 8000lb gross trailer weight and it’s so far a perfect marriage. Enjoy your videos!
I got rid of my 2019 Ford F250 for trailering. The death wobble was a big issue. Got the 2024 2500 HD with all the options and love it. Best truck I have had. I tow a 38' travel trailer.
You mentioned going 3500 so Ram 3500 gives you leaf springs, solid front axle for better steering under load, cummins engine, better exhaust brake, could add the air bags for more comfort and interior is really nice. I tow light but for me having good control going down big hills is a relief so the better exhaust brake would be a big plus.
Pretty good video. I do have to say, driving truck for 19 years and having my own 5th wheel and a 2020 Silverado 2500Hd with the diesel, you will never fully get rid of the rocking back and forth, that comes from uneven roads and as heavy as the trailer is its going to follow what the road does.
Have any idea why it makes such a difference? Is it the spring packs/pads providing extra stiction or semi-binding force that keeps the swaying or bouncing in check over coils?
Is there any actual data that backs that up or are we just basing this off assumptions? My experience tells me differently for sure. I used to have a RAM 1500 with coils and it was flat out the best half ton i have ever towed with. Zero stress and no odd feelings from the rear. I know people that tow 5ers with late model RAM 2500's that dont have this issue either. I suspect the pin being so far back from the axle has as much to do with it as anything else.
@@TDub_ADV after seeing another comment provide info on the truck dimensions, I have my doubts now. Apparently that Silverado is over 12" longer overall, has like 10" more wheelbase and a 6" longer bed length. I'd say that has as much (if not more) to do with the increase in stability than anything else mentioned.
@@ALMX5DP Absolutely it can, lots of other factors in play too. I 100% believe this has more to do with setup of the trailer and hitch than it does the springs in the rear of the truck. I think a long bed would be a better choice to fix the clearance issue but if that is not possible a slider hitch would be a way better choice to get the weight over the axle when traveling and move the pin back when needed for maneuvering.
So there’s a couple things I’d like to point out. The short bed GM trucks are actually 6’10” so they are 6” longer than the Ram and 1” longer than the Ford. Another thing is on the short bed GM trucks, the factory puck system is 2” behind the axle. So slider type hitches are not necessary and I noticed with your hitch you had to open the upper tailgate to keep from hitting the tailgate. Another thing with the GMs are they give you a much higher rear axle rating. A typical 2500 will have a 6600 pound rear axle rating. A Ram has 6040 and I think Ford is around 6300. So I’m not sure about your local registration requirements, but a 2500 GM truck with the max tow package would keep you under 12,000 GVWR and still give you essentially a 3500 SRW truck. The 2500 max tow package gives the 12” ring gear and overload leaf springs from the 3500 SRW trucks. Good luck with the shopping.
This man knows what he’s talking about. You guys seem clueless as to the GM having a 6’10” box vs the Rams 6’4” box. Plus I like how GM set the goose neck 2” behind the axle to eliminate the need for a slider hitch….
@@nospark333 yeah you will actually damage your tailgate if you try and use a slider. They couldn’t have pulled that camper with that hitch if not for the multipro tailgate.
Great video as usual! I'd love to hear your thoughts on a Ram 3500 pulling that trailer, and other trucks too (like the 6.8 or 7.3 gasser from Ford, or the 6.6 gasser from GM). I personally trust your guys opinion far above any other truck channel at this point.
@@ITrustInDog Yes, never towed with one but apparently the cummins has hands down the best exhaust brake. And the 3500 should definitely handle the weight far better, win win!
I have a 2018 Ram 3500 SRW shortbed and pull a 40' toyhauler that weighs about the same as your trailer. I use a sliding hitch to get the clearance. I can pull it down the highway at 75 all day and the trailer doesn't sway at all.
Suggestion: ADD AIR BAGS TO THE RAM. This should help. I assume this RUclips channel is making a good profit now. If the funds are there, 3500 would be perfect with any brand of truck. Ram, Ford, or GMC/Chevrolet.
Yep. The Ram w/ airbags tows like a dream. I have no proportioning on my 3500 SRW(granted it has leaf instead of coil, but it tracks and levels so good).
There isn't a tow rig around that doesn't run better with air bags. $1000 makes a good tow rig a great tow rig. I've run both Ram and Silverado 2500s with bags and both towed great. Wouldn't hesitate to run either one again.
You guys crack me up - love the reviews and real life applications! Looking forward to you hauling with a 3500 - Ram, Ford, Chev or GMC... We did our hauling with the Ram 3500 dually and it did everything well.
Actually the exhaust brake works better with cruise control a bit more aggressive great review and honestly I probably would go 3500 myself more payload
No heavy duty experience here but I like the front end on the 24’ Silverado LTZ and higher with the LED’s and DRL’s. I’d get over in a hurry if that’s in my rear view mirror 😎
I would agree with you. Having owned both trucks, I would say the the Ram HD is much better for towing until you get to the very heavy weights. The coil springs do tend to rock on the Ram. My decision was to stick the Ram and just go a little slower because in my experience with the Ram is that it is much more dependable than the Chevy. At 150,000 miles, it’s had several oil changes and a transmission flush. Never one mechanical issue.
The 10,000 lbs GVWR is super annoying on my Ram. I don't pull a 5th Wheel - have a bumper-pull toy hauler with a fairly heavy hitch weight. These Chevys have been making a compelling case. But I'm stuck with my Ram, probably for life. I don't see getting a bigger trailer (we'd go motorhome next) and my Ram 2500 covers everything we need. Won't affect my payload, but I plan on taking mine to Banks in a few years and doing it up right. Then, its use the hell out of the truck and get it to the patina.
I have the same truck and year as you do and pull a 35 foot Reflection. GVWR on the trailer is 11500 so fully loaded mine weighs less than your empty. I added a set of Sumo Springs on the back and a Pullright Superglide hitch so I don’t have to worry about rear end sag or 90 degree turns. I get 14 mpg on the open road as long as I stay around 62, and pulls great. A nice setup. The reality is that with this truck there is almost no 5th wheel made where you can stay under the payload limit. My truck has a pin weight of 2075 and while I make it a point to not take any more than I need to and run with my tanks empty, I am sure I am over payload before I even get o t the truck. If I had to do again I would have gotten the 3500 but I love this truck and it’s paid for so will make the best of what I have.
If you’re serious about towing why are you playing with a V8 diesel? There’s a reason every trucker on the road has an in-line 6. That’s why ram will always have our business.
In smaller applications you can get more power from a V8. Commercial products are typically down rated for durability anyways. Duramax, Cummins or Powerstroke are all great Options
Due to my situation I would have to say it is all about the three quarter ton truck with the coil springs. I have a 2023 ram 3500 single rear wheel standard output diesel factory airbags. I also have a Kurt crosswing hitch and I tow a 2023 alliance Paradigm 340 RL. I'm sure I am close to 15,000 lb out the door. I have no chucking. I can barely feel it back there. I have no sway. I feel nothing when I pass a truck or one passes me even going the opposite way. My truck and trailer don't even budge. Just giving you my experience which is brand new to me. Also as all my equipment is brand new. I just feel like you need a 3500 for a fifth wheel of that size. Love the channel. Keep up the good reviews. You are the reason why I bought the curt crosswing hitch. I couldn't be happier with it. Having a curt Hitch and curt pin box and a lippert frame which is also owned by curt is a great combination for covering your ass if something happens. You can't not stand behind your own products.
I will say all three brands will easily pull any heavy rig within its limitations with no problem, however which one will have the most effective stability and braking(exhaust brake/engine brake) when your descending on those mountains with 10% to 15% grade winding roads so that the driver will be at ease and there no need to make your normal brakes work hard in this situations. Until ford and chevy/gmc keep up, for now guts-glory-ram!
Not to split hairs but the GM box is nearly 6” longer than the RAM, not 1”. Also GM places the gooseball and pucks behind the axle already by a few inches (2 I believe). I also drove trucks and towed by all of the big 3, and I owned a Ford and currently the 2500 Duramax. RAM the shorter bed, leafs (would add bags) but most importantly the back seat sent me away from the RAM.
@@ALMX5DP yes good point on the wheelbase being longer…this would also help the stability over the RAM. Like many reviewers, put the Cummins in a GM platform with the “Allison” and have a near perfect towing platform.
That was part of the idea behind the coil springs was just to make it ride better and you gave up payload.. If you think about it, the coil spring has a 4-5 link suspension, and those 4 links are all close to each other, so that puts a lot of pressure on the frame of the vehicle to keep that axle straight. And that's why they went with the lighter 10,000lbs gvw.The leaf spring vehicle, the springs are almost 3 feet apart from each other where they connect to the frame. That's what gives it so much more stability. The difference between driving a Ram 2500 a 3500 is in the 2500 you ask the trailer where to go and in the 3500 you tell the trailer where to go. I know this because I had a ram 2500 with an extended cab and an 8 foot bed. And then got a dully with an extended cab and an 8 foot bed.
Really enjoy your honest reviews! Straightforward and just listing the facts . I just got a 24 Silverado 2500hd and your first review helped solidify my choice. I appreciate your channel!
Great video! I wish RAM would catch up with a updated transmission. I don’t even care about the styling. I also went with a 2500 because at the time I was pulling a 9k travel trailer and wanted the daily comfort of the coils. Then we upgraded to a 12k Reflection 5th wheel. I have to say I still love the way my truck pulls that weight, but I do regret not getting the 3500 up front. I don’t think having a little too much truck is a bad thing. Plus I hate arguing with the tow police online over the arbitrary GVWR.
I have a similar set up with the turn point hitch on the trailer and that give me the clearance that I need to make 90° turn. I’d suggest to look into that. Installing that trailer hitch you’ll gain 16” of clearance
The trailer may be a contributing factor as well. The way it cuts thru the air. The aerodynamics May create a buffeting factor. I have had this happen when i replace my new pull behind. I eventually covered the bed up as much as possible with tonneau cover except for the 5th wheel mount. All stopped. Something so simple. If you have ever driven behind a 18 wheeler and you feel your vehicle just bouncing left and right. Jostling type feel. That is what was happening.
Man, 2 super good videos in 2 days. Great job! I have been driving My ‘96 Ram 2500 with Cummins foreverrrrr! I love My Cummins, and that truck is everything I wanted it to be, for the time it was manufactured. A little underpowered, but very simple, durable, and no DEF! In March I decided to buy a new truck, and actually ordered a Ram 2500 crew cab. Sound familiar? That was until I discovered Ram had went to the rear coil springs, and the payload was not the best. In addition, Ram was still running a 6-speed transmission. That truck was not going to work for Me. So, the dealer that I was working with had some Ram 3500’s in stock. A little more cost, but not terrible. One small snag, there was a no-sell recall going on at the time, so I had a deposit on that truck, and really started to research trucks on RUclips. I found that the Chevy 3500 SRW was almost the same cost as the Ram, but I got more horsepower, a trim level higher, (LTZ), a 10 speed transmission, slightly larger fuel tank, DEF tank, and bed. The negatives were, that I had to give up My Cummins, a better exhaust brake, and probably a stronger straight axle. It was pretty easy for Me, because at the end of the day, I just liked the looks of the Chevy better. Pretty timely video, as I am going to pickup the truck tomorrow. I ordered mine, as I wanted an unusual color, (Auburn Metallic Red). Other options, I considered was the GMC AT4, and the Chevrolet 2500, with the upgraded towing/spring package. AT4 is a hell of a truck, but just liked the Chevy sheetmetal better, and it was cheaper. Good Luck with Your decision!
All that is needed in the Ram is heavier coils in the rear or airbags in the coils . Coil suspension can carry very heavy loads if set up correctly. Eg- the old Defender 130 Dual cab can carry heavy loads for its size and the reason is, is that it has extra coils within the main coil. The Unimog that is in the Australian defence force’s is coil all round and is a 12 Ton truck.
I had that exact same 2019 Ram, even the same color. I pull a 35' 5th wheel but I put a Pull Right 20k receiver in it. No issues like those you described. In prep for a trip across the US from Florida I installed air bags and that helped level the truck out and assisted with smoothing out the ride quality while towing. The RAM burned up going up the North entrance of Yellowstone due to a defect/recall that I wasn't informed of from Ram whereby the automatic transmission fluid overheats and shoots out onto the turbo at low speeds while pulling a load. We all got out of the burning truck but if you have a 2019 RAM 2500 make sure to get that recall fixed. Ram really let me down with that and the lack of following up on a serious recall. I'm assuming my one notification from them got delivered down the street and tossed out. Loved that truck though.
adding airbags to the coil springs wouldve probably helped the ram. its also worth noting that the chevy has IFS and the ram has a solid front axle. body roll/sway will affect front steering wonder in the wheel.
With what you tow and how often i would probably vote for the 3500 and the 8' bed. As long as maneuverability won't be an issue where you take the trailer to. (I owned an older F350 crew cab w/ 8' bed and parking was rough). 8' beds just tow so much less stress free. But then again it's easy for US to spend YOUR money. 😂
I just traded my Ram 2500 in for a Ram 3500 dually. You might want to consider a similar move??? The dually makes a huge difference in stability!!! My Ram was at 97% of towing capacity, pulling my 5th wheel. My 3500 is pulling at 66% of towing capacity, pulling the same trailer that provides piece of mind!
Also the difference btw solid front axle and ifs. Solid axle even when not towing wonders here and there compared to ifs. Leafs are better for heavy towing due to helper springs.
I had a 2011 Ram 2500 diesel and it had leaf springs in the back. Had no problem towing a 14k lb GVWR 30' enclosed car hauler, but was not the right vehicle for my gooseneck. Have been waiting for its replacement from Ford (F450) for 18 months.
I have been a fulltime rv'r and travel with my house on wheels on the road going on six years and my current truck since day 1 is a 2017 ford f350 srw crew short bed diesel. I have already clock 123,000 original miles being on the road and has been trouble free. Our current rig since day 1 is a 33 feet 10k lbs travel trailer. Before purchasing the truck, i made a research online and majority of the season fulltime rv folks recommended on skipping f250 or 2500, instead go with the f350 or 3500 series trucks since many folks will upgrade their rig to a much bigger and heavier rigs down the road. I'm glad i listened to them because after few years on the road, I decided I wanted a 16k to 18k lbs. loaded/wet 5th wheel toy hauler (two axles) and i don't need to replace my truck especially the prices of used and new trucks in this time and age. My current 2017 ford f350 srw diesel mentioned above has a payload capacity of 3500 lbs. and is rated to tow up to 20k lbs 5th wheel/gooseneck trailer. "Home is where I park it". Safe travels and take the less traveled path.🤠
Yup empty and loaded thats your difference my old boss had a AKA squatty wagon 😂 and i bought the 2019 f250 ❤ what a difference we tried same trailers same roads and yes leaf springs for the win 🏆 and im a heavy Haul transport driver with 22 years experience from Sudbury Ontario
Add airbags, a 500 dollar fix. Got em on my 2018 ram with 20 lbs air….. what a difference!! Pulling a 12000 LB 5 th wheel with no problem. Also look into a slide hitch for a short bed. That eliminates all the pinch points
It looks like both are short beds. The Ram has a 6' 4" bed with the ball location centered over the axle. The GMs have a 6' 10" bed and the ball location is 4" behind the center axle so they aren't close in that regard. I had a '16 Ram Megacab (2500) and run the Reese Goosebox and purchased a '24 GMC 3500 (also short bed) and if I remember right, the ball location was 8" further back from the cab then the Ram (measured them both back in early May but dont remember exactly what it was now). I have airbags on both and tow a 35' Cougar 5th wheel (about 12.5k ready to roll). The Ram was more confident towing. It was a stiffer ride over all but I had to run more air in the bags (40psi Ram vs 28psi in the GMC to level them out). The GMC has more lateral "wiggle" out back. If feels a little more like a tag trailer than a 5th wheel. The Ram had none of that. On the other hand, the GMC has a much more plush ride overall while still feeling stable. It handles smaller road imperfections more like a car than a truck. I was really surprised how forgiving the 3500 suspension was over smaller bumps. So far, I have 960 miles of towing with the GMC and about 3000 with the Ram. I prefer the GMC but largely because of the newer creature comforts. The seats in the GMC are a little more comfortable for me on longer drives (less pain in my hip). The extra leg room on the passenger front seat is significant (the trans tunnel on the Ram gobbles up lots of leg room). At 2900lbs payload, there is almost no way you still aren't over your payload on the GM.
same Ram MegaCab. What can I tow with it? I have yet to purchase a travel trailer/5th wheel. It appears it's only good for a travel trailer with the numbers.
Remember Ram has leaf springs on their 3500’s as well. If I were you and liked the Cummins I would buy a 3500 single rear wheel 8 foot box. Solves all your issues and gives you that good exhaust brake as well.
Chevy's HD trucks are some of the most capable tow vehicles made, even when the actual numbers other brands present seem to be higher. The reason is that Chevy pays attention to all of the variables to make the most capable truck.
Even towing a flat trailer it seemed I was always being maxed out with a 3/4 ton and bumper hitch and why I now have a 1995 GMC Diesel Dually K-3500 8' bed with goose neck hitch.
If you're that worried about clearance between truck cab and 5th wheel, get a slider hitch. Unless you get yourself in a bad spot you will find you rarely use it.
I have been driving dodges for over 50 years and I'm not happy with the way dodge has went with the newer trucks. I admit I'm old school and hate computers! I'm now driving an 02 ram 3500 and wish I had a 1993 or older,but I wouldn't trade my wheelbarrow for a chevy!
The problem with the ram isn't the coul springs it's the position of them there mounted further in board on the rear axle so that you can add air bags where the springs would normally go and because of that there is less stabilization for the load unless you add air bags which completely fix the stabilization problem and also help level truck off when heavy loaded ,so coil springs are mounted to far in, unless you add air bags for stabilization and load leveling
Unless your 5th wheel has an extremely light pin weight I'd say a diesel 3/4 ton isn't enough truck to carry one. Can you do it? Yes. Will you be over payload? Most likely. For a few grand more just get a 1 ton and be done with it. People have this misconception that because a truck has a diesel that it can tow anything. Ram 2500 diesel has a payload of like 1900-2100 lbs. The GM's and Fords are a bit higher than that. Going to depend on the trim/options. Throw 600 lbs of people in the cab, another 200 lbs worth of hitch in the bed, plus whatever else you carry in the truck, and you're out of payload. And, no, to those suggesting airbags. Airbags do not increase your payload. Axle's do.
Thanks for a good video. Coil springs work great on the Ram 1500. I've had two and done a lot of long distance hauling and towing with them. At that size you are still within the parameters of what coil springs can handle without problem. In fact, I would say coils are better for a 1500 rated truck. But apparently, it is the other way around when you upgrade to the 2500. My next truck will probably be a 2500, precisely because I want to be able to do bigger towing. I am going to keep this video in mind when I get around to shopping for a new truck. Thanks again.
I love this channel these guys get to the point not preferring ram but straight facts. ram 10,000 lbs vs Chevrolet 11,350 lbs rating, I mean there no comparison Chevrolet costs less they last longer more gooseneck towing capacity than ram so who’s the best here u decide bang for bucks or luxury.
I have a 2020 chev 2500 hd and it pulls my Toyhauler very well. I did add air bags to the truck in which I run 60 psi in them and it takes any squat out of the truck. As for the swaying I have 0 swaying on anything I tow so I am guessing it might be your hitch. I have 130000+kms on my HD and runs flawlessly, I always run synthetic in it. 0 issues with the truck.
the thing i don't under stand is the Tim from pick up SUV talk shows hardly no space between the over hang to a fifth and the bed of the truck are really close but almost all the other test drives shows almost 8inches of space between the over hang and the truck bed
A friend's wife retired from GM after 'training the trainers' in the truck plants for years. He prefers Ford's dependability. Says that the isuzu engineering is the only thing that keeps gm in the running. I personally went to Ford over 30 years ago when I was hauling tools in 9 states for a large industrial contractor.
First thing is I don’t pull big 5 th wheel trailers with a 3/4 ton single wheel . I always pull with a 4 door long bed 8’ dullay and it’s a lot safer if you blow a tire you have a built in spare and them dulls plant them four tires solid and firmly to the ground and handles like a sports car. So test drive any brand you want as long as it has leaf springs and Dulles and you will have a great tow rig not a single wheel . Good luck the longer your tow rig the better the ride and handling.
Check out the 2500 with the Max Tow package. You get the same suspension,shocks and rear end as the 3500. New package on the Chevrolet 3500. The 2500 isn't a commercial truck and is cheaper to insure an license.
The 2500 and 3500 are the same registration and insurance here in Maryland. It costs me $187 every 2 years for tags and $842 a year for full coverage insurance ($75 a year cheaper than my wife's Lexus GX).
I pull my 43 foot triple axle horse trailer horses gear and all 25k loaded up trailer alone. My truck is Chevy 3500 dually and pulls down the road no problems. Mine is also a 8 ft bed which makes it ride better. I don’t like to feel the lean when pulling heavy loafs and cornering. I also don’t like short beds put the trailer too close to the cab. It is long when going to the store. It is one of those things you have to decide what’s best for you. I think either truck are good choice overall.
you should try a tire called kanati armor hog atx 12ply 285 60 r20 on the ram it is the same size as stock but it has a 4080lbs at 95 psi , that should relieve some swaying on the side to side when towing
Gmc bed lenth is 6'9" and ram is 6'4". Wheelbase are almost 10" inch more for the gmc so beside leaf spring, we can't say it's a apple to apple comparaison.
It’s definitely apples to apples. Gm and Ford HD beds are 6”9 while Ram has kept the 6”4 for a long time now. It works for half ton but in HD 5+ inches is decent amount.
I use to buy 3/4 tons and always had payload on my mind. I was never overloaded but I also made sure I wasn't. Knowing we would be purchasing an RV in the near future, I stepped up to a 1 ton on my next truck. From that point forward, I've only ever purchased a 1 Ton truck. A 3/4 ton Ram does just fine in its capacity limit and I don't see rear springs as a weak point. Ram simply designed the 2500 to be livable pulling on the weekend and a daily driver through the week.If you want or need more capacity that's where the 3500 comes in with an understanding that the load handling capability is now the priority. Hence the rear springs are replaced with leafs. More people should be buying a 1 Ton especially since the cost to step up is less than most feature or package upgrades. Hearing guys debate on not wanting to step up is like someone refusing to go up in pants size even though that's the right thing to do. I don't care what the tag says just give me pants that properly fit. As far as which tuck to purchase, I personally prefer Ram. The exhaust brake is incredible especially in tow/haul paired with the Aisin transmission. It will slap your head off the windshield while the others barely move your head off the headrest. I also like the simplicity of the inline 6. You can easily identify everything under the hood with ease of access should a component be in need of repair. If you visit Indiana where most RV's are made you feel like you're in a movie sponsored by Ram. 99.99999999% of the hot shot trucks moving or delivering new RV's are Ram Cummins.
8 foot bed with 2500 size would give you a stable drive experience on leaf spring truck. Shocks might need an upgrade so ya - might as well go 3500 if you mainly will be towing.
This guy is spare parts. Of course you have sway with the weight right behind the axle. Coils yes your going to feel it more bit if you opted for air bags (it is an option with ram)
I'm done with Ram at 149k km I'm into too much maintenance and quality control issues (2018 1500 Hemi sport). Going back to a Ford, a lightning pro as my daily. Did my deposit for the order last weekend, 59k minus the rebate. Best deal for a half ton right now. My vote is Chevy Howard.
@@sunnyvalejedi Really when they split the plants up the quality improved? Bizarre. Logic would say the opposite should have happened. The 2018 is far better than a classic 4th get. Most of my maintenance has been wear and tear, just happening earlier than I would like. And not to mention real shit Mopar Canada parts prices. Some real unnecessary price gouging going on.
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The Chevy box is 6.10 and the ram is 6.4 it’s 6 inches longer than the ram box the Chevy also has taller bed rails that are chiseled out to make the overall bed wider.
Your Ram must be a diesel ⛽ the gas 2500 Ram has over 3k payload .
@TruckKing Serious question - I had a 2020 GMC 2500 with the Duramax and much like most of the owners from 20-23, there is a very distinct thumping noise at idle which gets faster as the RPM’s go up. It was literally driving me nuts and I eventually sold it. GM never acknowledged there was any issue with it and said it’s just a natural noise of the L5P. Can you tell me if your Chevy is thumping like described? I’m back in the market for an HD diesel and would love to know if this is still happening in the Gen2 motors.
Both need air bags to level load and add stability to tow rig. Best $1000 you'll ever spend on a tow rig.
Add some timberons for 300 bucks, set them and forget them
I am a GM person and will say the Silverado is a great truck from top to bottom. But all 3 makers have incredibly capable choices regardless of brand, its really about personal choice.
But what about reliability and durability
@@mikelandryjr7310if you’re keeping a truck long enough to worry about all that then you may want to consider a Ram with an Aisin transmission. Much cheaper repairs in the long run. But none of that matters if you’re buying new every 100k miles.
Its about comfort and reliability. The GMC/Chevy seats are TERRIBLE. If they dont change them my next truck will be a Ford.
@@fit4ya1975My good friend has a 2500 Denili and holy shit . It's like sitting on a picnic table lol.
@@fit4ya1975they are very comfortable especially the leather, they are just stiffer so they last longer, think of them like a good shoe
During your discussion, you mentioned going to a Chevy 3500. I noticed Mom gave a thumbs up.
My thoughts:
1. The Chevy's are made in Canada.
2. The Chevy 3500 long bed will give you the towing capacity and pin placement that you need.
3. Mom gave the thumbs up and she legally owns 1/2 of the asset.
It's a no brainer.
Yes, and if you want an American pie, go with the Ford super duty made in Kentucky, US of A. Now, if you want to push the envelope and feeling the Mexican vibe, go with the Ram 2500 to 550 series which are all made in Saltillo, Mexico. Guts-Glory-Ram!
@@j.l.salayao8055 GM also makes HD's in the USA. Flint, Michigan.
Yes, and if you want to support the government , go with general motors as they get the most bail out from the government...lol.@@dallasfrost1996
Flint Michigan
Try airbags or the factory air suspension it totally makes a difference with the coil springs
Agreed. Never had another issue once I added airbags.
I’ve owned 5 Ram’s and for the 2024 model I am switching to GMC or Chevy. Thank you for the video! One of many which all say the same thing…for towing, the new GM HD’s are the way to go.
I expect you'll go for a 3500 with 8 foot box and find yourself looking at even bigger trailers in a year or so.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Ram 3500 would be begging for more weight as soon as you get on the road.
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I agree, I have a 2024 silverado 2500 with the 8 foot box and I love it, no regrets
I agree with you guys. I had the 2022 tundra and found it swayed exactly as you experienced with your ram, I wasn’t comfortable going over 105 km, and I believe it’s because of the coil springs. I switched to a Silverado trailboss with 3.0 duramax and much more control towing my setup (6000 lbs) , which I believe is due to the Silverado still utilizing leaf springs.
Due to the high profile of that trailer, dually would be better. A lot of trailer side for the wind to catch.
Hey, guys, always love your reviews and dad, you're never an idiot. You always speak your mind, and it's always in the right direction. Love what you guys do.
I have basically same Ram and adding airbags makes a big difference when towing and is a must for me with anything under 1 ton truck. Keeps it level and stiffens up rear so it takes bumps and things much better with less bounce and sway. And if you use with daystar cradle, still maintains non towing comfort of coil spring rear.
are you towing a 5th wheel? I have a '15 Ram 2500 MegaCab and the numbers say there isn't a single 5th wheel I can tow.
@@stiffmeister0hYeah No, it is a travel trailer at about 8000lbs fully loaded up. Yeah most 5th wheels necessitate a 1 ton truck because of the pin weights. There are some "1/2 ton towable" 5th wheels but they are more like "3/4 ton towable". Grand Design Reflection 150 5th wheel has less pin weight that most 5th wheels and those work OK with most 3/4 tons.
@@coomikaze21what’s frustrating is the chassis is the same on a 2500 and 3500 srw. So that 10k gvw is just a number the govt wants to put on it to tax us. I like what GM did was increase the gvw of the truck to 11,500. Which basically makes in a 3500 srw. You can tow almost all 5th wheels under 40 feet with that and be fine pay load wise. What gets me is my 2013 ram 2500 has a payload around 2500 lbs. I have a 12.5k trailer which puts me right at my payload, not including hit hitch and family. Now I know I am over my weight but the truck barely squats and handles the weight just fine (I added bags for added stability). I just frustrates me that if I get a 3500 my registration. Insurance etc are going to skyrocket just because the govt wants to put a number on something
If you’re going GM might as well buy a GMC exterior styling is more appealing plus you can get a lower trim and still get LED headlights which if I was traveling especially at night those make a huge difference.
You're speaking about your personal tastes which other people may not share.
I think anything over 12,000lbs a one-ton is the way to go. I have a 2500 RAM 6.4 with a bumper hitch of 785lbs hitch weight and 8000lb gross trailer weight and it’s so far a perfect marriage. Enjoy your videos!
I got rid of my 2019 Ford F250 for trailering. The death wobble was a big issue. Got the 2024 2500 HD with all the options and love it. Best truck I have had. I tow a 38' travel trailer.
You mentioned going 3500 so Ram 3500 gives you leaf springs, solid front axle for better steering under load, cummins engine, better exhaust brake, could add the air bags for more comfort and interior is really nice. I tow light but for me having good control going down big hills is a relief so the better exhaust brake would be a big plus.
I switched to ram 3500 ho 2023 from 2500 big difference very happy more power and stability when towing
Pretty good video. I do have to say, driving truck for 19 years and having my own 5th wheel and a 2020 Silverado 2500Hd with the diesel, you will never fully get rid of the rocking back and forth, that comes from uneven roads and as heavy as the trailer is its going to follow what the road does.
You guys hit the nail on the head in this video. Leaf springs really do make a huge difference when towing or hauling . Less butt clinching moments.
Have any idea why it makes such a difference? Is it the spring packs/pads providing extra stiction or semi-binding force that keeps the swaying or bouncing in check over coils?
Is there any actual data that backs that up or are we just basing this off assumptions?
My experience tells me differently for sure. I used to have a RAM 1500 with coils and it was flat out the best half ton i have ever towed with. Zero stress and no odd feelings from the rear. I know people that tow 5ers with late model RAM 2500's that dont have this issue either.
I suspect the pin being so far back from the axle has as much to do with it as anything else.
@@TDub_ADV after seeing another comment provide info on the truck dimensions, I have my doubts now. Apparently that Silverado is over 12" longer overall, has like 10" more wheelbase and a 6" longer bed length. I'd say that has as much (if not more) to do with the increase in stability than anything else mentioned.
@@ALMX5DP Absolutely it can, lots of other factors in play too. I 100% believe this has more to do with setup of the trailer and hitch than it does the springs in the rear of the truck.
I think a long bed would be a better choice to fix the clearance issue but if that is not possible a slider hitch would be a way better choice to get the weight over the axle when traveling and move the pin back when needed for maneuvering.
So there’s a couple things I’d like to point out. The short bed GM trucks are actually 6’10” so they are 6” longer than the Ram and 1” longer than the Ford. Another thing is on the short bed GM trucks, the factory puck system is 2” behind the axle. So slider type hitches are not necessary and I noticed with your hitch you had to open the upper tailgate to keep from hitting the tailgate.
Another thing with the GMs are they give you a much higher rear axle rating. A typical 2500 will have a 6600 pound rear axle rating. A Ram has 6040 and I think Ford is around 6300.
So I’m not sure about your local registration requirements, but a 2500 GM truck with the max tow package would keep you under 12,000 GVWR and still give you essentially a 3500 SRW truck. The 2500 max tow package gives the 12” ring gear and overload leaf springs from the 3500 SRW trucks.
Good luck with the shopping.
This man knows what he’s talking about. You guys seem clueless as to the GM having a 6’10” box vs the Rams 6’4” box. Plus I like how GM set the goose neck 2” behind the axle to eliminate the need for a slider hitch….
@@nospark333 yeah you will actually damage your tailgate if you try and use a slider. They couldn’t have pulled that camper with that hitch if not for the multipro tailgate.
Great video as usual! I'd love to hear your thoughts on a Ram 3500 pulling that trailer, and other trucks too (like the 6.8 or 7.3 gasser from Ford, or the 6.6 gasser from GM). I personally trust your guys opinion far above any other truck channel at this point.
Ram for the exhaust brake. Maybe the ram 3500 would be a better truck as it also has leaf springs
@@ITrustInDog Yes, never towed with one but apparently the cummins has hands down the best exhaust brake. And the 3500 should definitely handle the weight far better, win win!
New Cummins engines from 22 and up are have major failures. I wouldn’t buy one…. Find a low mileage 21’ if you want a Ram.
@@shanebrown2963I’ve seen videos on that. I have to imagine that will get resolved quickly but that is a valid point.
a neighbor of mine has the 3500 high country none dually and seems to like it fine.
Interesting comparison. Curious if the hitch may also be part of the issue with the rocking? Also, I would just go to the 3500 regardless.
It’s a medium to small 5th wheel camper. Personally I would feel comfortable with the 2500.
I have a 2018 Ram 3500 SRW shortbed and pull a 40' toyhauler that weighs about the same as your trailer. I use a sliding hitch to get the clearance. I can pull it down the highway at 75 all day and the trailer doesn't sway at all.
Suggestion: ADD AIR BAGS TO THE RAM. This should help.
I assume this RUclips channel is making a good profit now. If the funds are there, 3500 would be perfect with any brand of truck. Ram, Ford, or GMC/Chevrolet.
Yep. The Ram w/ airbags tows like a dream. I have no proportioning on my 3500 SRW(granted it has leaf instead of coil, but it tracks and levels so good).
There isn't a tow rig around that doesn't run better with air bags. $1000 makes a good tow rig a great tow rig. I've run both Ram and Silverado 2500s with bags and both towed great. Wouldn't hesitate to run either one again.
Long bed 3500 of whatever brand you like with the biggest fuel tank available. That's the best recipe for 5th wheels
You guys crack me up - love the reviews and real life applications! Looking forward to you hauling with a 3500 - Ram, Ford, Chev or GMC... We did our hauling with the Ram 3500 dually and it did everything well.
Actually the exhaust brake works better with cruise control a bit more aggressive great review and honestly I probably would go 3500 myself more payload
That's true. What how I use it and works great
No heavy duty experience here but I like the front end on the 24’ Silverado LTZ and higher with the LED’s and DRL’s. I’d get over in a hurry if that’s in my rear view mirror 😎
I would agree with you. Having owned both trucks, I would say the the Ram HD is much better for towing until you get to the very heavy weights. The coil springs do tend to rock on the Ram. My decision was to stick the Ram and just go a little slower because in my experience with the Ram is that it is much more dependable than the Chevy. At 150,000 miles, it’s had several oil changes and a transmission flush. Never one mechanical issue.
The 10,000 lbs GVWR is super annoying on my Ram. I don't pull a 5th Wheel - have a bumper-pull toy hauler with a fairly heavy hitch weight. These Chevys have been making a compelling case. But I'm stuck with my Ram, probably for life. I don't see getting a bigger trailer (we'd go motorhome next) and my Ram 2500 covers everything we need. Won't affect my payload, but I plan on taking mine to Banks in a few years and doing it up right. Then, its use the hell out of the truck and get it to the patina.
I have the same truck and year as you do and pull a 35 foot Reflection. GVWR on the trailer is 11500 so fully loaded mine weighs less than your empty. I added a set of Sumo Springs on the back and a Pullright Superglide hitch so I don’t have to worry about rear end sag or 90 degree turns. I get 14 mpg on the open road as long as I stay around 62, and pulls great. A nice setup. The reality is that with this truck there is almost no 5th wheel made where you can stay under the payload limit. My truck has a pin weight of 2075 and while I make it a point to not take any more than I need to and run with my tanks empty, I am sure I am over payload before I even get o t the truck. If I had to do again I would have gotten the 3500 but I love this truck and it’s paid for so will make the best of what I have.
If you’re serious about towing why are you playing with a V8 diesel? There’s a reason every trucker on the road has an in-line 6. That’s why ram will always have our business.
In smaller applications you can get more power from a V8. Commercial products are typically down rated for durability anyways. Duramax, Cummins or Powerstroke are all great
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Due to my situation I would have to say it is all about the three quarter ton truck with the coil springs. I have a 2023 ram 3500 single rear wheel standard output diesel factory airbags. I also have a Kurt crosswing hitch and I tow a 2023 alliance Paradigm 340 RL. I'm sure I am close to 15,000 lb out the door. I have no chucking. I can barely feel it back there. I have no sway. I feel nothing when I pass a truck or one passes me even going the opposite way. My truck and trailer don't even budge. Just giving you my experience which is brand new to me. Also as all my equipment is brand new. I just feel like you need a 3500 for a fifth wheel of that size. Love the channel. Keep up the good reviews. You are the reason why I bought the curt crosswing hitch. I couldn't be happier with it. Having a curt Hitch and curt pin box and a lippert frame which is also owned by curt is a great combination for covering your ass if something happens. You can't not stand behind your own products.
I will say all three brands will easily pull any heavy rig within its limitations with no problem, however which one will have the most effective stability and braking(exhaust brake/engine brake) when your descending on those mountains with 10% to 15% grade winding roads so that the driver will be at ease and there no need to make your normal brakes work hard in this situations. Until ford and chevy/gmc keep up, for now guts-glory-ram!
Not to split hairs but the GM box is nearly 6” longer than the RAM, not 1”. Also GM places the gooseball and pucks behind the axle already by a few inches (2 I believe). I also drove trucks and towed by all of the big 3, and I owned a Ford and currently the 2500 Duramax. RAM the shorter bed, leafs (would add bags) but most importantly the back seat sent me away from the RAM.
Wow had to look that up but you're right, the GM is quite a bit longer overall, in wheelbase and in box length versus the Ram.
I believe GMs box is the longest and widest.
@@ALMX5DP yes good point on the wheelbase being longer…this would also help the stability over the RAM. Like many reviewers, put the Cummins in a GM platform with the “Allison” and have a near perfect towing platform.
@@hellkitty1014Ford has the longest short bed
GM is slightly longer than Ford @ 82" vs 81.5"
I’m a big Ram fan and pull my 35 foot 5th wheel with a 3500 Mega Cab. I do have a little rear sag but hope to offset it with some Tembrake supports.
That was part of the idea behind the coil springs was just to make it ride better and you gave up payload.. If you think about it, the coil spring has a 4-5 link suspension, and those 4 links are all close to each other, so that puts a lot of pressure on the frame of the vehicle to keep that axle straight. And that's why they went with the lighter 10,000lbs gvw.The leaf spring vehicle, the springs are almost 3 feet apart from each other where they connect to the frame. That's what gives it so much more stability. The difference between driving a Ram 2500 a 3500 is in the 2500 you ask the trailer where to go and in the 3500 you tell the trailer where to go. I know this because I had a ram 2500 with an extended cab and an 8 foot bed. And then got a dully with an extended cab and an 8 foot bed.
Really enjoy your honest reviews! Straightforward and just listing the facts . I just got a 24 Silverado 2500hd and your first review helped solidify my choice. I appreciate your channel!
I love the chevy trucks
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Great video! I wish RAM would catch up with a updated transmission. I don’t even care about the styling. I also went with a 2500 because at the time I was pulling a 9k travel trailer and wanted the daily comfort of the coils. Then we upgraded to a 12k Reflection 5th wheel. I have to say I still love the way my truck pulls that weight, but I do regret not getting the 3500 up front. I don’t think having a little too much truck is a bad thing. Plus I hate arguing with the tow police online over the arbitrary GVWR.
Adding airbags to the ram 2500 helps tremendously. They sit outside the coil springs and give much more side to side stability.
I have a similar set up with the turn point hitch on the trailer and that give me the clearance that I need to make 90° turn. I’d suggest to look into that. Installing that trailer hitch you’ll gain 16” of clearance
In my first chevy now. A 2020 2500 duramax. Amazing truck. Quiet and comfy but tons of balls. With shortbed go with a b and w companion slider hitch
The trailer may be a contributing factor as well. The way it cuts thru the air. The aerodynamics May create a buffeting factor.
I have had this happen when i replace my new pull behind. I eventually covered the bed up as much as possible with tonneau cover except for the 5th wheel mount. All stopped. Something so simple.
If you have ever driven behind a 18 wheeler and you feel your vehicle just bouncing left and right. Jostling type feel. That is what was happening.
Man, 2 super good videos in 2 days. Great job! I have been driving My ‘96 Ram 2500 with Cummins foreverrrrr! I love My Cummins, and that truck is everything I wanted it to be, for the time it was manufactured. A little underpowered, but very simple, durable, and no DEF! In March I decided to buy a new truck, and actually ordered a Ram 2500 crew cab. Sound familiar? That was until I discovered Ram had went to the rear coil springs, and the payload was not the best. In addition, Ram was still running a 6-speed transmission. That truck was not going to work for Me. So, the dealer that I was working with had some Ram 3500’s in stock. A little more cost, but not terrible. One small snag, there was a no-sell recall going on at the time, so I had a deposit on that truck, and really started to research trucks on RUclips. I found that the Chevy 3500 SRW was almost the same cost as the Ram, but I got more horsepower, a trim level higher, (LTZ), a 10 speed transmission, slightly larger fuel tank, DEF tank, and bed. The negatives were, that I had to give up My Cummins, a better exhaust brake, and probably a stronger straight axle. It was pretty easy for Me, because at the end of the day, I just liked the looks of the Chevy better. Pretty timely video, as I am going to pickup the truck tomorrow. I ordered mine, as I wanted an unusual color, (Auburn Metallic Red). Other options, I considered was the GMC AT4, and the Chevrolet 2500, with the upgraded towing/spring package. AT4 is a hell of a truck, but just liked the Chevy sheetmetal better, and it was cheaper. Good Luck with Your decision!
It appears that the Chevy is Mega cab not the regular double cab. The regular Chevy double cab has a bed length of 6"10" , the Ram is 6"4:.
Chevy doesn't have a mega cab, just a crew cab
I pulled my 2022 Forest River heritage glen with a Chevrolet and a Ram, I bought the Ram. It pulled Cajon Pass and the Rockies effortlessly.
All that is needed in the Ram is heavier coils in the rear or airbags in the coils . Coil suspension can carry very heavy loads if set up correctly. Eg- the old Defender 130 Dual cab can carry heavy loads for its size and the reason is, is that it has extra coils within the main coil. The Unimog that is in the Australian defence force’s is coil all round and is a 12 Ton truck.
I had that exact same 2019 Ram, even the same color. I pull a 35' 5th wheel but I put a Pull Right 20k receiver in it. No issues like those you described. In prep for a trip across the US from Florida I installed air bags and that helped level the truck out and assisted with smoothing out the ride quality while towing.
The RAM burned up going up the North entrance of Yellowstone due to a defect/recall that I wasn't informed of from Ram whereby the automatic transmission fluid overheats and shoots out onto the turbo at low speeds while pulling a load. We all got out of the burning truck but if you have a 2019 RAM 2500 make sure to get that recall fixed. Ram really let me down with that and the lack of following up on a serious recall. I'm assuming my one notification from them got delivered down the street and tossed out. Loved that truck though.
adding airbags to the coil springs wouldve probably helped the ram. its also worth noting that the chevy has IFS and the ram has a solid front axle. body roll/sway will affect front steering wonder in the wheel.
With what you tow and how often i would probably vote for the 3500 and the 8' bed. As long as maneuverability won't be an issue where you take the trailer to. (I owned an older F350 crew cab w/ 8' bed and parking was rough). 8' beds just tow so much less stress free.
But then again it's easy for US to spend YOUR money. 😂
I just traded my Ram 2500 in for a Ram 3500 dually. You might want to consider a similar move??? The dually makes a huge difference in stability!!! My Ram was at 97% of towing capacity, pulling my 5th wheel. My 3500 is pulling at 66% of towing capacity, pulling the same trailer that provides piece of mind!
The air suspension on my 22 Ram 2500 takes care of the back and forth you are describing.
Also the difference btw solid front axle and ifs. Solid axle even when not towing wonders here and there compared to ifs.
Leafs are better for heavy towing due to helper springs.
I had a 2011 Ram 2500 diesel and it had leaf springs in the back. Had no problem towing a 14k lb GVWR 30' enclosed car hauler, but was not the right vehicle for my gooseneck. Have been waiting for its replacement from Ford (F450) for 18 months.
GM does have the 2500 with 3500 frame package. Benefits of 2500 with 3500 ability.
Aren’t all 3/4 ton trucks have the same frame as the 1 tons, just with different leaf packs?
No soild axle in Chevys
@@tylersowa3858don’t I wish.
I'd try air bags and a sliding hitch
I have been a fulltime rv'r and travel with my house on wheels on the road going on six years and my current truck since day 1 is a 2017 ford f350 srw crew short bed diesel. I have already clock 123,000 original miles being on the road and has been trouble free. Our current rig since day 1 is a 33 feet 10k lbs travel trailer. Before purchasing the truck, i made a research online and majority of the season fulltime rv folks recommended on skipping f250 or 2500, instead go with the f350 or 3500 series trucks since many folks will upgrade their rig to a much bigger and heavier rigs down the road. I'm glad i listened to them because after few years on the road, I decided I wanted a 16k to 18k lbs. loaded/wet 5th wheel toy hauler (two axles) and i don't need to replace my truck especially the prices of used and new trucks in this time and age. My current 2017 ford f350 srw diesel mentioned above has a payload capacity of 3500 lbs. and is rated to tow up to 20k lbs 5th wheel/gooseneck trailer. "Home is where I park it". Safe travels and take the less traveled path.🤠
Yup empty and loaded thats your difference my old boss had a AKA squatty wagon 😂 and i bought the 2019 f250 ❤ what a difference we tried same trailers same roads and yes leaf springs for the win 🏆 and im a heavy Haul transport driver with 22 years experience from Sudbury Ontario
Add airbags, a 500 dollar fix. Got em on my 2018 ram with 20 lbs air….. what a difference!! Pulling a 12000 LB 5 th wheel with no problem. Also look into a slide hitch for a short bed. That eliminates all the pinch points
It would have been good also for the uninitiated to mention why you did not consider Ford as part of the equation.
I love my 2024 GMC Sierra 2500hd. Love the Duramax engine.
Before buying, try same test with a Ford F250 I think their frame is stiffer than the others.
It looks like both are short beds. The Ram has a 6' 4" bed with the ball location centered over the axle. The GMs have a 6' 10" bed and the ball location is 4" behind the center axle so they aren't close in that regard. I had a '16 Ram Megacab (2500) and run the Reese Goosebox and purchased a '24 GMC 3500 (also short bed) and if I remember right, the ball location was 8" further back from the cab then the Ram (measured them both back in early May but dont remember exactly what it was now). I have airbags on both and tow a 35' Cougar 5th wheel (about 12.5k ready to roll).
The Ram was more confident towing. It was a stiffer ride over all but I had to run more air in the bags (40psi Ram vs 28psi in the GMC to level them out). The GMC has more lateral "wiggle" out back. If feels a little more like a tag trailer than a 5th wheel. The Ram had none of that. On the other hand, the GMC has a much more plush ride overall while still feeling stable. It handles smaller road imperfections more like a car than a truck. I was really surprised how forgiving the 3500 suspension was over smaller bumps.
So far, I have 960 miles of towing with the GMC and about 3000 with the Ram. I prefer the GMC but largely because of the newer creature comforts. The seats in the GMC are a little more comfortable for me on longer drives (less pain in my hip). The extra leg room on the passenger front seat is significant (the trans tunnel on the Ram gobbles up lots of leg room).
At 2900lbs payload, there is almost no way you still aren't over your payload on the GM.
same Ram MegaCab. What can I tow with it? I have yet to purchase a travel trailer/5th wheel. It appears it's only good for a travel trailer with the numbers.
Remember Ram has leaf springs on their 3500’s as well. If I were you and liked the Cummins I would buy a 3500 single rear wheel 8 foot box. Solves all your issues and gives you that good exhaust brake as well.
Chevy's HD trucks are some of the most capable tow vehicles made, even when the actual numbers other brands present seem to be higher. The reason is that Chevy pays attention to all of the variables to make the most capable truck.
Firestone Ride-Rite Air Suspension is a must unless you go with Ram that has an factory installed rear air suspension option.
Even towing a flat trailer it seemed I was always being maxed out with a 3/4 ton and bumper hitch and why I now have a 1995 GMC Diesel Dually K-3500 8' bed with goose neck hitch.
If you're that worried about clearance between truck cab and 5th wheel, get a slider hitch. Unless you get yourself in a bad spot you will find you rarely use it.
Enjoying this series of videos, great job!
I have been driving dodges for over 50 years and I'm not happy with the way dodge has went with the newer trucks. I admit I'm old school and hate computers! I'm now driving an 02 ram 3500 and wish I had a 1993 or older,but I wouldn't trade my wheelbarrow for a chevy!
If you get the Chevy you gotta get Toyo Open Country ATIIIs on there as well right?
Dually is the way to go whatever brand you choose .
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The problem with the ram isn't the coul springs it's the position of them there mounted further in board on the rear axle so that you can add air bags where the springs would normally go and because of that there is less stabilization for the load unless you add air bags which completely fix the stabilization problem and also help level truck off when heavy loaded ,so coil springs are mounted to far in, unless you add air bags for stabilization and load leveling
I like long beds for towing.
Unless your 5th wheel has an extremely light pin weight I'd say a diesel 3/4 ton isn't enough truck to carry one. Can you do it? Yes. Will you be over payload? Most likely. For a few grand more just get a 1 ton and be done with it. People have this misconception that because a truck has a diesel that it can tow anything. Ram 2500 diesel has a payload of like 1900-2100 lbs. The GM's and Fords are a bit higher than that. Going to depend on the trim/options. Throw 600 lbs of people in the cab, another 200 lbs worth of hitch in the bed, plus whatever else you carry in the truck, and you're out of payload. And, no, to those suggesting airbags. Airbags do not increase your payload. Axle's do.
I added Sumo springs to my 22 Ram. Best upgrade i ever made to it. O fyi Ram 3500 has leaf springs.
Awesome discussion
Thanks for a good video. Coil springs work great on the Ram 1500. I've had two and done a lot of long distance hauling and towing with them. At that size you are still within the parameters of what coil springs can handle without problem. In fact, I would say coils are better for a 1500 rated truck. But apparently, it is the other way around when you upgrade to the 2500. My next truck will probably be a 2500, precisely because I want to be able to do bigger towing. I am going to keep this video in mind when I get around to shopping for a new truck. Thanks again.
I love this channel these guys get to the point not preferring ram but straight facts. ram 10,000 lbs vs Chevrolet 11,350 lbs rating, I mean there no comparison Chevrolet costs less they last longer more gooseneck towing capacity than ram so who’s the best here u decide bang for bucks or luxury.
I have a 2020 chev 2500 hd and it pulls my Toyhauler very well. I did add air bags to the truck in which I run 60 psi in them and it takes any squat out of the truck.
As for the swaying I have 0 swaying on anything I tow so I am guessing it might be your hitch.
I have 130000+kms on my HD and runs flawlessly, I always run synthetic in it. 0 issues with the truck.
the thing i don't under stand is the Tim from pick up SUV talk shows hardly no space between the over hang to a fifth and the bed of the truck are really close but almost all the other test drives shows almost 8inches of space between the over hang and the truck bed
Get the one ton long bed and don't worry about any of it anymore. I did
I am a little surprised you didn't mention wind conditions.. like side wind, that rockers trailers.
A friend's wife retired from GM after 'training the trainers' in the truck plants for years.
He prefers Ford's dependability.
Says that the isuzu engineering is the only thing that keeps gm in the running.
I personally went to Ford over 30 years ago when I was hauling tools in 9 states for a large industrial contractor.
Isuzu hasn't been involved with the Duramax in years. And they obviously havent looked into the warranty claims Ford is going through LOL.
Before you swap in the Ram, could you please try a set of airbags.
I see a new 3500 Chevrolet HD in your future. That 2500 looks great on road towing that 5th wheel trailer.
First thing is I don’t pull big 5 th wheel trailers with a 3/4 ton single wheel . I always pull with a 4 door long bed 8’ dullay and it’s a lot safer if you blow a tire you have a built in spare and them dulls plant them four tires solid and firmly to the ground and handles like a sports car. So test drive any brand you want as long as it has leaf springs and Dulles and you will have a great tow rig not a single wheel . Good luck the longer your tow rig the better the ride and handling.
Check out the 2500 with the Max Tow package. You get the same suspension,shocks and rear end as the 3500. New package on the Chevrolet 3500. The 2500 isn't a commercial truck and is cheaper to insure an license.
The 2500 and 3500 are the same registration and insurance here in Maryland. It costs me $187 every 2 years for tags and $842 a year for full coverage insurance ($75 a year cheaper than my wife's Lexus GX).
I pull my 43 foot triple axle horse trailer horses gear and all 25k loaded up trailer alone. My truck is Chevy 3500 dually and pulls down the road no problems. Mine is also a 8 ft bed which makes it ride better. I don’t like to feel the lean when pulling heavy loafs and cornering. I also don’t like short beds put the trailer too close to the cab. It is long when going to the store. It is one of those things you have to decide what’s best for you. I think either truck are good choice overall.
Excellent review as always!!!😁
you should try a tire called kanati armor hog atx 12ply 285 60 r20 on the ram it is the same size as stock but it has a 4080lbs at 95 psi , that should relieve some swaying on the side to side when towing
what about the F450 it has a better turning radius, but similar to the GMC3500 and F350
Gmc bed lenth is 6'9" and ram is 6'4". Wheelbase are almost 10" inch more for the gmc so beside leaf spring, we can't say it's a apple to apple comparaison.
It’s apple to apple.
It’s definitely apples to apples. Gm and Ford HD beds are 6”9 while Ram has kept the 6”4 for a long time now. It works for half ton but in HD 5+ inches is decent amount.
GMs are actually 6' 10" beds.
2020 Ram towing 14500, 3500 longbed, 4152 lb payload. Can’t feel it Back there, single rear wheel.I have a cedar creek 37.5 feet.
I use to buy 3/4 tons and always had payload on my mind. I was never overloaded but I also made sure I wasn't. Knowing we would be purchasing an RV in the near future, I stepped up to a 1 ton on my next truck. From that point forward, I've only ever purchased a 1 Ton truck.
A 3/4 ton Ram does just fine in its capacity limit and I don't see rear springs as a weak point. Ram simply designed the 2500 to be livable pulling on the weekend and a daily driver through the week.If you want or need more capacity that's where the 3500 comes in with an understanding that the load handling capability is now the priority. Hence the rear springs are replaced with leafs.
More people should be buying a 1 Ton especially since the cost to step up is less than most feature or package upgrades. Hearing guys debate on not wanting to step up is like someone refusing to go up in pants size even though that's the right thing to do. I don't care what the tag says just give me pants that properly fit.
As far as which tuck to purchase, I personally prefer Ram. The exhaust brake is incredible especially in tow/haul paired with the Aisin transmission. It will slap your head off the windshield while the others barely move your head off the headrest. I also like the simplicity of the inline 6. You can easily identify everything under the hood with ease of access should a component be in need of repair. If you visit Indiana where most RV's are made you feel like you're in a movie sponsored by Ram. 99.99999999% of the hot shot trucks moving or delivering new RV's are Ram Cummins.
8 foot bed with 2500 size would give you a stable drive experience on leaf spring truck. Shocks might need an upgrade so ya - might as well go 3500 if you mainly will be towing.
Unfortunately the coil spring system probably needed an aftermarket track bar on the back.
This guy is spare parts. Of course you have sway with the weight right behind the axle. Coils yes your going to feel it more bit if you opted for air bags (it is an option with ram)
I'm done with Ram at 149k km I'm into too much maintenance and quality control issues (2018 1500 Hemi sport). Going back to a Ford, a lightning pro as my daily. Did my deposit for the order last weekend, 59k minus the rebate. Best deal for a half ton right now. My vote is Chevy Howard.
The 2019 and up are significantly better.
@@sunnyvalejedi Really when they split the plants up the quality improved? Bizarre. Logic would say the opposite should have happened. The 2018 is far better than a classic 4th get. Most of my maintenance has been wear and tear, just happening earlier than I would like. And not to mention real shit Mopar Canada parts prices. Some real unnecessary price gouging going on.
@@peiguy1982 Stellantis has significantly improved the design, production and reliability of Ram trucks. Consumer Reports and sales confirm this.
Don't buy half tons. The manufacturers don't put the same level of parts in half tons that they do in HD trucks.
@@sunnyvalejedi Did you ever own or work on one yourself? Dealer shops like the 4th gen better too. Consumer reports lol.