Great build guys. A few things I would have changed/added; - Rubber matting or spacers on bottom of the platform (This will help absorb low bass frequencies and other vibrations) - Sealed door using beams of wood with carpet on it with one single sheet of Lexan (this will stop anything from leaking out of the drum booth onto the stage, such as cymbals) - Make sure there are no gaps between the Lexan for cymbal noise to leak out - Put diffusers, or a curtain drape and the back of the enclosure to deal with any reflections
That booth looks FANTASTIC. Thanks for taking the time to journal your building process!!! There’s so much to learn from other people... the problems that you guys ran into could’ve easily been absolute nightmares for me. One thing I would add though is that imo a decent sounding drum booth MUST have absorbers in it. The reflections off of the smooth, hard surfaces inside are inevitably going to lead to some nasty comb filtering. I’ve mixed in venues that had suboptimal drum booths and you can just never get the drums to sound proper if the booth causes comb filtering. EDIT: Just read in a comment further down below that you guys aren’t using overhead mics. Without those obviously reflections are much much less of a problem. I’d still recommend putting in absorption material (maybe DIY absorbers in the back and hanging some black molton to the ceiling). As for micing cymbals: Try close micing them from below! With your kind of setup, you can easily get away with only two mics on each side. One for hats and crash (just low enough to pick up the hats, but beneath the crash) and one on the other side - ideal positioning will depend on whot those cymbals are and how they’re played). Feed that into some gentle room reverb and you’re good to go. =)
Hey thanks for the kind words! And yes, agreed - we even have a bunch of studio foam in storage that we just never got around to adding in. There was another comment on here with someone concerned about the same thing, but I told him our situation is unique - our building is really small and since our particular door design isn't air tight, our close mics just blend nicely with the natural sound escaping. In reality we have to run our services so quiet that we don't get to pump up the drum levels enough to even reach the point where comb filtering is an issue for us. I appreciate the tip though (and also your kindness in it). Thanks!
Awesome, thanks! Especially like how you showed the in-flight learning processes. Only one suggestion: please wear safety glasses when using power tools. Thanks!
Thanks! I do not have any recordings of before and after. Ours was not completely air tight, but even still, it made a major difference. As in, the majority of the drum sound was coming through the speakers
When using your router jig to make the groove you could have then set it slightly larger to trim the front curve so it is perfect and smooth all the way around.
Yeah in hindsight that seems so obvious to me - I had this same thought after editing the video and seeing how bad a job I did cutting it with the jig saw
I would definitely recommend installing an air-tight door! Some people on here showed me what they came up with - the installed a their door on the back since they had some more room on stage. Then after that is figured out, the second most important thing is to add studio foam to help dampen the sound inside!
So I am starting my build, I purchased the Poly, but I was wondering if you had a materials list? Also did you happen to have the building plan in paper form as well?
Hey Aaron, I just saw the email you sent my way - I will take a look at it and get back to you asap! I do not really have a materials list, but I could probably get you pretty close or help out with things you might be missing if you have one out together already? As far as a building plan, the only thing we went off of was what we provided in the video - just those few measurements that were provided to us and then we worked everything around that
Guys - This is a great video with a great outcome. Thank you for putting it all together (both the booth and the video). I'd like to plan something like this for my church but I have a few questions. So you started this project in the fall of 2019 ($900 = Lexan + Wood + Paint + Screws + Caulk). Did you need to buy any extra tools or would you recommend any that you wish you had at the time? What about your original ClearSonic shield - did you use all of that or half (or somewhere in between)? How long did the build take once you had all of the materials in-hand (how many days and how many hours/day; from your first cut to when you added the final trim and caulk)? It was nice that you had the empty space to work in and it seemed like largely a 2-person job (except for when you needed help with the top). What about wiring for electricity and mic cables, any extra spend of cash and time to do that (or approach you took)? I need to plan this within a 6-day build-time (Sunday afternoon (post-service) to following Saturday afternoon, so its in place, the kit is set-up and all wired for sound for the next Sunday's service) and I want to understand if it may make sense to build parts of it off-site and then assemble on-site. Lastly, now that you've had it for a while, any ventilation wishes (a sweaty human can leave a not-so-holy presence). Thank you again.
Thanks so much! Yes, that $900 is a rough estimate because towards the end when we were back and forth to Ace Hardware multiple times a day we stopped keeping track lol. But it was somewhere around that ballpark (of course that was before the price of wood went up, but I don’t think it’s too far different now). Also, we did not have to purchase our carpet squares or carpet glue since we had some on hand from renovating the whole church - and I honestly do not know how much those would normally run price wise. As far as tools, we already had on hand between the two of us and people from our church all that we needed - a table saw (which you could possibly just get your plywood cut for you at Home Depot), miter saw, router with some bits (i think all we used was the quarter inch straight bit), and drill. I don’t recall using any other tools. For our particular build we used four panels from our original drum shield + four foot high extender panels, as our original shield was only 5 ft tall and we had separate foot high extenders. Each panel was 2 ft wide. Please remember though that our door system was unique to us and I don’t know that we would recommend going the same route as our accordion door if you do not have to. We have seen other RUclips members copy our build but put a simple door on the back of the enclosure. All in all, the build probably took us around 5 days total but of course this might vary depending on how skilled you and your workers are with the tools. Some days were long days, some were short. Ours were spread out over the course of 2 weeks just because we couldn’t work on it in consecutive days and we didn’t have a hard deadline of getting it done in the space that we were to have church in the following Sunday. I imagine with enough time dedicated to it, it shouldn’t be too hard to get it done in 6 days. As for wiring, we took the easy route and just took a hole saw to our back panel for wiring and electric once it was all built. One hole allowed for all mic cords to pass through and an extension cord for any power we need in the cage. We found placing a small fan on the ground pointed at the drummer does enough to keep our drummer cool in there. I’m sure there’s a more intricate and sound-proof way of doing this, but since our particular door wasn’t air tight, we felt no reason to get fancy on coming up with a near air tight system for our wires. If you are in the least bit concerned about getting it built within the 6 days or it may be tough to get help for a couple of those days, I don’t see a reason why you couldn’t build the base platform and back wall off-site and bring it to your church to assemble. I will say once everything is put together it is not the easiest thing to move lol. If I’ve missed anything or you have any more questions, feel free to email me at wetalktone@gmail.com! I’d be happy to help with anything that I can, and would love to follow along with the progress of your build! Best, -Ethan
Hello! Is it possible you could do a video showing the sound of the drums from outside the cage without them coming through the PA? Looking to build on of these and want to make sure the isolation is what we are looking for
If you install a second frame lexan from the outside of cage with 5cm air you think it could cut some more db's?? I think is one nice idea to increase the isolation at future or if you want to move the cage somewhere with more people around.
Awesome video! Love how this project turned into. I am looking something similar to have for the drum set that’s in the church I attend to. I know the dimensions might be a little off from the one y’all have. But I want to have an idea about how much we’re going to be looking at as far as spending. The dimension of y’all polycarbonate, about how much was only the polycarbonate?
Total, we spent close to $900 after everything was said and done. I believe the polycarbonate alone was around $500 give or take - the dimensions we used for the polycarbonate was 6’x10’
Your best best is to go through a local window or glass shop. If you use a big store online, you will likely find it, but shipping is going to cost more than the glass. (Hundreds of dollars to ship)
This is what we are currently using: amzn.to/3jOD5YR It does a great job at getting a huge image while only being a few inches away from the screen (ours is directly behind our screen on the ground )and the image is sharp, but not super bright. If money isn't a huge issue, I would recommend going with something more like this: amzn.to/3zIVBXS It would be about twice at bright, but also twice the cost. Hope this helps!
Hello, I watched the entire video and I wanted to say job well done to you guys. I also have two questions. You used a software to sketch the drum enclosure, I wanted to know the website for it and also, do you have a list of the different tools that you used to make the enclosure. Thank you.
It looks great! Thanks for sharing the video. I want to ask what's the environment like for the drummer? Did the temperature and humidity inside the box have any issues, especially after a long set or in warmer weather? If so, what did you do, or would have done different in retrospect?
The biggest thing to know is just how loud they are inside - definitely wouldn't drum in there without some well sealed in-ear monitors. In an air conditioned environment, it doesn't get horrible for us (remember ours is far from fully sealed like some others may be). We have added a little fan inside for some circulation since one of our drummers likes it. For long sets though, I could imagine it getting fairly uncomfortable without some circulation of air or vent fan.
what did it end up sounding like inside the enclosure? just with your guys mics talking inside once the polycarb went up there is a heck of a lot of reflections coming off of it. did you add much/any acoustic panelling?
Most enclosures add some kind of sound dampening material, and we originally intended to do just that but never got around to it. The lack of sound dampening material has had no ill effect for us, other than the chance it might keep it slightly quiet outside the enclosure. As for inside, it is earsplitting loud to play drums inside of it without in-ear monitors. But, that has also been the case with any enclosure I've played inside.
No, at least none that I can tell in a live environment. I will say, however, because our building is so small and or enclosure does not *completely* block out the raw sound (because of our door) we do not use over head mics. Only close mics on each drum, and just let cymbals bleed into those. So, if we were to use overheads, the reflections would probably be a little noticeable. It's probably safe to just plan on adding something to dampen your sound - you can find "studio" foam on Amazon for so cheap now
Is there any way you could tell me what supplier you used for your Lexan? And do you think that regular acrylic could work by just heating it, and bending it to the curve? Thank you! Bethel
We used a local glass shop, can’t even remember what the shops name was now to be honest. I would think the hardest part would be bending the acrylic to the exact curvature you need for it to fit into the groove on the base and top of the enclosure. Lexan just easily bends, so it’s perfect for the enclosure.
quick question. At the beginning of the video you said you asked your glass provider for a 6X10 foot sheet, but in your calculator you have 10 (length) and 7.5 (width). Why is that ? Im just confused on that part lol
So the 7.5" in that calculation is just the width of the platform (90 inches). The polycarbonate sheet is 6"x10" - as in 6ft tall and 10ft across. So if you were to draw a straight line from one corner of the 10ft arc to the other, it would only be 7.5ft. (10ft being the distance around the arc). Hope that helps!!
Currently building one for our church & have a quick question! The only drills/screws on the front sheet are the ones on the two 2x4s on both sides at the end of the sheet, & the too & bottom part are just inserted into the slit ya’ll cut out on the plywood, correct??
Not too bad at all! As long as AC is on in the building, and with a little fan running in there you can go an hour or so before opening the door to let in some cooler air
In ear monitors (custom molds) save your ears. Didn’t encounter any problems with reflections in the mics. Can always put some foam up on the back wall and roof
Hey, thanks so much! It was pretty fun since we reno'd everything ourselves (except for drywall and paint). We just posted some videos on how we made our lights, and there's a photo of the stage being built in the floods video!
It was surprisingly very easy! This was something I was worried about as well, but very relieved at how flexible that stuff is. Ours was just the smallest fraction of an inch under 1/4 inch thick I believe
How is the sound that gets picked up by the drum mics? Are there any serious reflection issues, standing waves or so because the drum shield is not treated with absorber panels? I am concerned that the sound of the drums might loose its fat sound and pressure if I build this drum shield for my church. Sound is a big thing for our church. Greetings from Germany
We have certainly not noticed anything like that, however, our situation is somewhat unique. We are in a small space, so our mic'd drum sounds aren't super loud, and because the particular way we built our door, the cage is not airtight - meaning our processed drum sound is still mixed somewhat with the natural drum sound leaking from the cage. I can say that I have seen air tight drum enclosures similar to this (in that the majority is not dampened - but they may place studio foam or dampening material on the underside of the ceiling and the back wall) in large churches elsewhere, and I have never heard of any negative effect as such that you are mentioning. If there is, I would think that the benefits it brings to your live sound far out-weigh the negatives. Having complete control to eq, reverb, and process the drum sound with virtually no stage noise really is an unbelievable difference in live sound.
I've seen a couple of these videos, but everything I've seen mentions it gets very hot in there but I haven't seen any solutions for ventilation or cooling.
We just set a small fan in there to circulate the air. Does wonders. Doesn't have to be anything extravagant. Could always install something like computer fans in the back, one pushing air in and one pulling air out.
@@WeTalkTone I also haven't seen anyone use Loaded Vynl or covering the back with soundproof blankets. But I will say this was my favorite video of these so far, Is there an estimated overall cost to build?
It's never gotten uncomfortably hot to me, although one of our drummers says he gets pretty toasty. It generally stays a few degrees warmer than the air in our church, but typically that means it's pretty comfortable to me.
This was super cool! Thanks for putting this up! Does the enclosure dramatically dampen the noise? I'm trying to do something similar for my house, with the goal being to make the drums as inaudible as possible from outside the enclosure.
This did cut down a ton on our noise level outside the shield. You can definitely still tell someone is playing drums, but it takes the edge off and lowers the overall level considerably. Your best bet will be to work out a door system that is as air tight as possible. That’s where ours falls short...
Hello friends .. in my church we want to build the drum enclousure ... but I need your help .. where can I get the transparent acrylic sheet of that size .. in which company, where did you buy it? Thank you Cheers
Your best bet will be to find a glass supplier local to you - a window shop or anywhere that deals with glass. The pieces are too large to ship economically, so call around to different places by you and see what they'll be able to get one for you for. They should charge you for just the polycarbonate and nothing for shipping if they get it in on one of their normal orders along with their other product.
Oh no! My best advice is to call around your local window/door/glass shops - the ones I called were all very helpful even though I could tell they weren't sure what I was trying to do with it 😂
For the led strips these are the things we used: Dmx Controllers www.amazon.com/dp/B075FHJM35/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_R2djFbS4020AH Power supply for dmx encoders: www.amazon.com/dp/B06XJVYDDW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_VTWIkV9qnJwaW Led Tape: www.amazon.com/dp/B07JKKP89M?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Housing for the leds: www.amazon.com/dp/B07691Y351?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Wiring: www.amazon.com/dp/B00UBSQPEG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_36rsE9PUn9QNx And you’ll need to make AC power cords with supplies from Home Depot For the faux fresnel lights: Plastic black basic planters from Home Depot Clear saucers that usually sit underneath the planters, spray painted with clear ‘frost’ : www.amazon.com/dp/B019HJ8QNC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Outdoor Flood lights: www.amazon.com/dp/B06VT8MJGJ?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share bases for the bulbs: www.amazon.com/dp/B000HJ97AS?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Boxes to mount the bases to and sandwich the back of the planters: www.amazon.com/dp/B005JC6BWK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share We used American DJ or Chauvet dmx dimmers. Misc wiring for AC to bulbs from Home Depot I know this probably my doesn’t help a ton but it may get you started in the right direction. Will try and get the other video edited soon... I’m swamped at the moment with my full time job and side jobs trying to stay afloat during COVID
Did you all do the arc yourself or did you find a company to do so? If so can you share their information? I’m finding companies to do the cutting but not the arcing.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean.... we inserted the Lexan into the groove we routed - it's a very flexible/bendable material. All of the other processes you saw us do.
WeTalkTone Just so I Understand, you bought a rectangular poly sheet and the did the bending yourself into the “arc”? Or did the company shape the poly sheet for you? That’s my question. Hopefully that makes sense? I’m wanting to know do I need to find a company to shape the arc for me or do I only need to buy the custom sheet and bend it myself?
Yes, we purchased the rectangular sheet and the arc groove I routed into the wood platforms (top and bottom) are what hold it in place as the bent arc.
The enclosure looks incredible! Question: does the polycarbonate arc provide better sound reduction than plexiglass panels? Would the same concept work using a prefabricated drum shield, assuming the same level of air tightness and 360° coverage?
I would say the sound reduction would be about identical... If any different it would be imperceptible. Yes, Hunter actually just made another one for another church that used only panels from a drum sheild. And because they made everything air tight, it's crazy how good a job it does at blocking sound
I believe we had about $900 into it give or take. The build itself took 4 or 5 days worth of work (of probably half days), but we spanned that over the course of a couple weeks
Lol, yes, you are not wrong. We did not demonstrate this as we had no official way to do this - we don’t have an spl meter, and also since we expect everyone’s to be different (ours was not air tight) it would be pointless to show what ours does. But, the true point of these enclosures are only to reduce the levels enough to where they do not affect the listening experience from the front of house - no enclosure will completely mute the sound although some come closer than others. While ours effectively does this for us in our particular space, everyone’s space and set ups will be different.
@WeTalkTone im thinking about glass. Im not sure how do you call it (im portuguese) when you have glass + air box + glass, all in one piece. Thats what im planning to use at my church. Im sure it can be maybe a bit more challenging isolating the sound from the inside but at least I know that in short term there wont be any scratches and the pastor is going to ask me about how much money we spent and its all scratched up already.
We are going to use Lexan. Very durable plastic and not that expensive. The sheet of 6 by 8 goes for $250 (CAN) the most expensive part would be the wood and other materials.
American church is something else. I love the dedication to music, but I'm confused how all this relates to god. In my country i couldn't imagine a priest being interested in moving LED stage lights (or even anything else than an organ, really) or why a rock band would care about Jesus.
Why spend hundreds on drums just to play them in a box. Think of the optics, if it's such a good why not due away with electric pianos and put a real one in a box and mike it. If you want to control the drummers volume it makes a lot more sense to go with electronic drums
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I love seeing young men using their gifts and energy to serve the local church! So encouraging!
Great build guys. A few things I would have changed/added;
- Rubber matting or spacers on bottom of the platform (This will help absorb low bass frequencies and other vibrations)
- Sealed door using beams of wood with carpet on it with one single sheet of Lexan (this will stop anything from leaking out of the drum booth onto the stage, such as cymbals)
- Make sure there are no gaps between the Lexan for cymbal noise to leak out
- Put diffusers, or a curtain drape and the back of the enclosure to deal with any reflections
This is awesome, thank you for sharing! Our church will benefit from you sharing your plans and challenges :)
Dude yes!!! I've been need to find one of these!!! You guys also have a great philosophy in going about things.
Lol thanks so much! Hope it's helpful for you
That booth looks FANTASTIC. Thanks for taking the time to journal your building process!!! There’s so much to learn from other people... the problems that you guys ran into could’ve easily been absolute nightmares for me.
One thing I would add though is that imo a decent sounding drum booth MUST have absorbers in it. The reflections off of the smooth, hard surfaces inside are inevitably going to lead to some nasty comb filtering. I’ve mixed in venues that had suboptimal drum booths and you can just never get the drums to sound proper if the booth causes comb filtering.
EDIT: Just read in a comment further down below that you guys aren’t using overhead mics. Without those obviously reflections are much much less of a problem. I’d still recommend putting in absorption material (maybe DIY absorbers in the back and hanging some black molton to the ceiling). As for micing cymbals: Try close micing them from below! With your kind of setup, you can easily get away with only two mics on each side. One for hats and crash (just low enough to pick up the hats, but beneath the crash) and one on the other side - ideal positioning will depend on whot those cymbals are and how they’re played). Feed that into some gentle room reverb and you’re good to go. =)
Hey thanks for the kind words! And yes, agreed - we even have a bunch of studio foam in storage that we just never got around to adding in. There was another comment on here with someone concerned about the same thing, but I told him our situation is unique - our building is really small and since our particular door design isn't air tight, our close mics just blend nicely with the natural sound escaping. In reality we have to run our services so quiet that we don't get to pump up the drum levels enough to even reach the point where comb filtering is an issue for us.
I appreciate the tip though (and also your kindness in it). Thanks!
@@WeTalkTone You bet! Keep up the good work and God bless you guys! =) Seeing your dedication to the ministry is an inspiration!
For a door solution, you can retrofit a shower door from Home Depot. They can come prehung and have the steel frame/track for easy installation.
Awesome, thanks! Especially like how you showed the in-flight learning processes. Only one suggestion: please wear safety glasses when using power tools. Thanks!
This looks awesome. And Go Noles!
Thanks for sharing this great diy project. Would love to see your light setup. Thanks!
I have linked to most of the materials used for the light in another comment on this video if you search around for it a little.
you could use black duct tape on the door seams to help make it more sturdy and to held make it more air/sound tight.
Excellent we really appreciate this
Look so cool! Is there any comparison of how it sounded before and after?
Thanks! I do not have any recordings of before and after. Ours was not completely air tight, but even still, it made a major difference. As in, the majority of the drum sound was coming through the speakers
Do you have a list of all the supplies used?
When using your router jig to make the groove you could have then set it slightly larger to trim the front curve so it is perfect and smooth all the way around.
Yeah in hindsight that seems so obvious to me - I had this same thought after editing the video and seeing how bad a job I did cutting it with the jig saw
Great work!
God bless all you effort
That looks amazing dude !
Good job , God bless you !!!
How did you get the polycarbonate to curve? Did you just bend it yourself, or did an outside company have to do it?
It's fairly easy to bend yourself since it's so thin - doesn't require heat to bend or anything.
how do you handle air conditioning? or you dont?
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Hi, how soundproof is the booth? any tips for extra soundproofing?
I would definitely recommend installing an air-tight door! Some people on here showed me what they came up with - the installed a their door on the back since they had some more room on stage. Then after that is figured out, the second most important thing is to add studio foam to help dampen the sound inside!
Very cool! whats that software that your using to plan it out called?
That was Google sketch up! They no longer have a free plan though now outside of their trial
@@WeTalkTone Oh darn, thanks i appreciate it
So I am starting my build, I purchased the Poly, but I was wondering if you had a materials list? Also did you happen to have the building plan in paper form as well?
Hey Aaron, I just saw the email you sent my way - I will take a look at it and get back to you asap! I do not really have a materials list, but I could probably get you pretty close or help out with things you might be missing if you have one out together already?
As far as a building plan, the only thing we went off of was what we provided in the video - just those few measurements that were provided to us and then we worked everything around that
Sorry Aaron... where can I get the transparent acrylic sheet of that size .. in which company, where did you buy it?
Thank you
@@joelantoniocastrofunez5560 call up your local glass shop and see if they can order a 6x10 piece of Lexan.
Great booth! All this was $500 in 2019?
I want to say it was $800 - $900
Great vid brothers! If i can ask, how much does did it cost in Materials to get this done?
I believe they said I’m a previous comment 800-900 dollars
@@cdondrums1069 no treatment though, just wood and poly
Guys - This is a great video with a great outcome. Thank you for putting it all together (both the booth and the video). I'd like to plan something like this for my church but I have a few questions. So you started this project in the fall of 2019 ($900 = Lexan + Wood + Paint + Screws + Caulk). Did you need to buy any extra tools or would you recommend any that you wish you had at the time? What about your original ClearSonic shield - did you use all of that or half (or somewhere in between)? How long did the build take once you had all of the materials in-hand (how many days and how many hours/day; from your first cut to when you added the final trim and caulk)? It was nice that you had the empty space to work in and it seemed like largely a 2-person job (except for when you needed help with the top). What about wiring for electricity and mic cables, any extra spend of cash and time to do that (or approach you took)? I need to plan this within a 6-day build-time (Sunday afternoon (post-service) to following Saturday afternoon, so its in place, the kit is set-up and all wired for sound for the next Sunday's service) and I want to understand if it may make sense to build parts of it off-site and then assemble on-site. Lastly, now that you've had it for a while, any ventilation wishes (a sweaty human can leave a not-so-holy presence). Thank you again.
Thanks so much! Yes, that $900 is a rough estimate because towards the end when we were back and forth to Ace Hardware multiple times a day we stopped keeping track lol. But it was somewhere around that ballpark (of course that was before the price of wood went up, but I don’t think it’s too far different now). Also, we did not have to purchase our carpet squares or carpet glue since we had some on hand from renovating the whole church - and I honestly do not know how much those would normally run price wise. As far as tools, we already had on hand between the two of us and people from our church all that we needed - a table saw (which you could possibly just get your plywood cut for you at Home Depot), miter saw, router with some bits (i think all we used was the quarter inch straight bit), and drill. I don’t recall using any other tools.
For our particular build we used four panels from our original drum shield + four foot high extender panels, as our original shield was only 5 ft tall and we had separate foot high extenders. Each panel was 2 ft wide. Please remember though that our door system was unique to us and I don’t know that we would recommend going the same route as our accordion door if you do not have to. We have seen other RUclips members copy our build but put a simple door on the back of the enclosure.
All in all, the build probably took us around 5 days total but of course this might vary depending on how skilled you and your workers are with the tools. Some days were long days, some were short. Ours were spread out over the course of 2 weeks just because we couldn’t work on it in consecutive days and we didn’t have a hard deadline of getting it done in the space that we were to have church in the following Sunday. I imagine with enough time dedicated to it, it shouldn’t be too hard to get it done in 6 days.
As for wiring, we took the easy route and just took a hole saw to our back panel for wiring and electric once it was all built. One hole allowed for all mic cords to pass through and an extension cord for any power we need in the cage. We found placing a small fan on the ground pointed at the drummer does enough to keep our drummer cool in there. I’m sure there’s a more intricate and sound-proof way of doing this, but since our particular door wasn’t air tight, we felt no reason to get fancy on coming up with a near air tight system for our wires.
If you are in the least bit concerned about getting it built within the 6 days or it may be tough to get help for a couple of those days, I don’t see a reason why you couldn’t build the base platform and back wall off-site and bring it to your church to assemble. I will say once everything is put together it is not the easiest thing to move lol.
If I’ve missed anything or you have any more questions, feel free to email me at wetalktone@gmail.com! I’d be happy to help with anything that I can, and would love to follow along with the progress of your build!
Best,
-Ethan
Thank you getting back so quickly and providing a very thorough reply. Time to calculate 2022 costs.
Where did you find the carpet tiles?
Can I ask what type of glass did you use and where’d you order them?
That’s the first thing we cover in the video
Hello! Is it possible you could do a video showing the sound of the drums from outside the cage without them coming through the PA? Looking to build on of these and want to make sure the isolation is what we are looking for
If you install a second frame lexan from the outside of cage with 5cm air you think it could cut some more db's?? I think is one nice idea to increase the isolation at future or if you want to move the cage somewhere with more people around.
I think it could help out a little, but the isolation you get with a week sealed enclosure is really impressive by itself
Awesome video! Love how this project turned into. I am looking something similar to have for the drum set that’s in the church I attend to. I know the dimensions might be a little off from the one y’all have. But I want to have an idea about how much we’re going to be looking at as far as spending. The dimension of y’all polycarbonate, about how much was only the polycarbonate?
Total, we spent close to $900 after everything was said and done. I believe the polycarbonate alone was around $500 give or take - the dimensions we used for the polycarbonate was 6’x10’
@@WeTalkTone thanks so much for the info. Looking forward into more videos from y’all!😃
@@WeTalkTone where did you get your lexan?
@@WeTalkTone What was the thickness of your polycarbonate?
Hey Could you please let us know how did you get those big yellow lights ?
Just posted our video on how to make them!
Thanks for all the info. Is there a website or link to order the glass that you guys used.
That’s the hardest part to find.
Thanks in advance!
Your best best is to go through a local window or glass shop. If you use a big store online, you will likely find it, but shipping is going to cost more than the glass. (Hundreds of dollars to ship)
Please what is a dimension of plexiglass?
Where did they get the curved sheet from? Did I just miss it.
Check out the beginning again. We used our local glass store
What did you guys do for airflow? it must get super hot in there.
We added a small desk fan!
Oh wow 😯 love it!!!!
Can I ask How much do you guys spend for everything?
Hey, thanks! I think all materials including the lexan and all lumber and hardware cost around $800 - $900
WeTalkTone thanks 🙏 for reply
How do u ventilate ur enclosure? The drummer should feel stuffy?
We put a little desk fan in ours, and it does the trick. Long sets might get tough but short sets inside an AC’d building aren’t horrible
I want to ask about projection … we have a small space and I’m exploring options
what projector are you all using for the small space?
This is what we are currently using: amzn.to/3jOD5YR
It does a great job at getting a huge image while only being a few inches away from the screen (ours is directly behind our screen on the ground )and the image is sharp, but not super bright.
If money isn't a huge issue, I would recommend going with something more like this: amzn.to/3zIVBXS
It would be about twice at bright, but also twice the cost. Hope this helps!
Guys I really need your help
Where can I found the glass
That glass
Incredible ... can you share the file of sketchup ? we are remodeling our church and this will be amazing. Im familiar with Sketchup.
I no longer have the computer I saved it to / do not have the subscription to sketchup anymore since they started charging an insane amount
Where did you order the lexan sheet from? Local supplier?
Yep, it was just a local window/Glass shop
Could you provide the 3D project that appears in the video? thanks.
Hello, I watched the entire video and I wanted to say job well done to you guys. I also have two questions. You used a software to sketch the drum enclosure, I wanted to know the website for it and also, do you have a list of the different tools that you used to make the enclosure. Thank you.
Looks like sketchup for the software
It looks great! Thanks for sharing the video. I want to ask what's the environment like for the drummer? Did the temperature and humidity inside the box have any issues, especially after a long set or in warmer weather? If so, what did you do, or would have done different in retrospect?
The biggest thing to know is just how loud they are inside - definitely wouldn't drum in there without some well sealed in-ear monitors.
In an air conditioned environment, it doesn't get horrible for us (remember ours is far from fully sealed like some others may be). We have added a little fan inside for some circulation since one of our drummers likes it. For long sets though, I could imagine it getting fairly uncomfortable without some circulation of air or vent fan.
what did it end up sounding like inside the enclosure? just with your guys mics talking inside once the polycarb went up there is a heck of a lot of reflections coming off of it. did you add much/any acoustic panelling?
Most enclosures add some kind of sound dampening material, and we originally intended to do just that but never got around to it. The lack of sound dampening material has had no ill effect for us, other than the chance it might keep it slightly quiet outside the enclosure. As for inside, it is earsplitting loud to play drums inside of it without in-ear monitors. But, that has also been the case with any enclosure I've played inside.
@@WeTalkTone so you don't seem to hear any of the sound being reflected off of the panel back into the mics?
No, at least none that I can tell in a live environment. I will say, however, because our building is so small and or enclosure does not *completely* block out the raw sound (because of our door) we do not use over head mics. Only close mics on each drum, and just let cymbals bleed into those. So, if we were to use overheads, the reflections would probably be a little noticeable. It's probably safe to just plan on adding something to dampen your sound - you can find "studio" foam on Amazon for so cheap now
What was the cost of this build at the end?
how much was the lexan sheet?
Is there any way you could tell me what supplier you used for your Lexan? And do you think that regular acrylic could work by just heating it, and bending it to the curve?
Thank you!
Bethel
We used a local glass shop, can’t even remember what the shops name was now to be honest. I would think the hardest part would be bending the acrylic to the exact curvature you need for it to fit into the groove on the base and top of the enclosure. Lexan just easily bends, so it’s perfect for the enclosure.
quick question. At the beginning of the video you said you asked your glass provider for a 6X10 foot sheet, but in your calculator you have 10 (length) and 7.5 (width). Why is that ? Im just confused on that part lol
So the 7.5" in that calculation is just the width of the platform (90 inches). The polycarbonate sheet is 6"x10" - as in 6ft tall and 10ft across. So if you were to draw a straight line from one corner of the 10ft arc to the other, it would only be 7.5ft. (10ft being the distance around the arc). Hope that helps!!
@@WeTalkTone thanks!
Currently building one for our church & have a quick question! The only drills/screws on the front sheet are the ones on the two 2x4s on both sides at the end of the sheet, & the too & bottom part are just inserted into the slit ya’ll cut out on the plywood, correct??
Correct. We then kind of caulked it in place, a bead around front and back, top and bottom to seal it in
Pls how thick should the polycarbonate be
Ours was right under a quarter inch, so that it could fit into the quarter inch grooves we made with our router.
looks nice, but It must be a serious sweatbox inside the enclosure???
Not too bad at all! As long as AC is on in the building, and with a little fan running in there you can go an hour or so before opening the door to let in some cooler air
So..... What about the refelctions inside?
In ear monitors (custom molds) save your ears. Didn’t encounter any problems with reflections in the mics. Can always put some foam up on the back wall and roof
the drummer must be sweating after each worship session?
@WeTalkTone Did you guys do a full video on the entire space? The whole space looks awesome 👌
Hey, thanks so much! It was pretty fun since we reno'd everything ourselves (except for drywall and paint). We just posted some videos on how we made our lights, and there's a photo of the stage being built in the floods video!
What’s the church name on social media?
what software do you use to design the platform digitally?
Google Sketchup
I have one question, what was the total cost
Awesome 👌, that gives me a starting point. Thank you, the best video I see on building a drum cage.
For us it was around $900 at the time of the build. Not sure what it would be now.
Is it difficult to bend the polycarbonate ? With much force? Or is it very elastic?
It was surprisingly very easy! This was something I was worried about as well, but very relieved at how flexible that stuff is. Ours was just the smallest fraction of an inch under 1/4 inch thick I believe
I’m super late to the conversation, but does the polycarbonate come curved or are you curving it yourself?
You have to curve it yourself. It’s really thin and easy to curve
@@WeTalkTone God bless you elder!!!!!
Hi what type of software you used to do the rendering?
What is the name of machine in 8:00 mins you are using .. is it jigsaw?
That's a router! You might have to google "router tool" or a brand name (like Ryobi) with it so that google doesn't just show you wifi routers.
Great Work guys!!!!
What kind of design program did you use?
That’s google sketch up!
@@WeTalkTone Thanks very much :)
Hey quick question where could I get those orange round lights that you have in the background of your stage
Just posted our video on how to make them!
Where shopping the polycarbonate ?
Give your local window shop a call. They should be able to get some in for you so you don't have to pay shipping
How is the sound that gets picked up by the drum mics? Are there any serious reflection issues, standing waves or so because the drum shield is not treated with absorber panels? I am concerned that the sound of the drums might loose its fat sound and pressure if I build this drum shield for my church. Sound is a big thing for our church.
Greetings from Germany
We have certainly not noticed anything like that, however, our situation is somewhat unique. We are in a small space, so our mic'd drum sounds aren't super loud, and because the particular way we built our door, the cage is not airtight - meaning our processed drum sound is still mixed somewhat with the natural drum sound leaking from the cage.
I can say that I have seen air tight drum enclosures similar to this (in that the majority is not dampened - but they may place studio foam or dampening material on the underside of the ceiling and the back wall) in large churches elsewhere, and I have never heard of any negative effect as such that you are mentioning. If there is, I would think that the benefits it brings to your live sound far out-weigh the negatives. Having complete control to eq, reverb, and process the drum sound with virtually no stage noise really is an unbelievable difference in live sound.
@@WeTalkTone Thanks a lot for the quick response!
I've seen a couple of these videos, but everything I've seen mentions it gets very hot in there but I haven't seen any solutions for ventilation or cooling.
We just set a small fan in there to circulate the air. Does wonders. Doesn't have to be anything extravagant. Could always install something like computer fans in the back, one pushing air in and one pulling air out.
@@WeTalkTone I also haven't seen anyone use Loaded Vynl or covering the back with soundproof blankets. But I will say this was my favorite video of these so far, Is there an estimated overall cost to build?
Yes, strongly recommend adding sound dampening inside, whether foam or blankets. Total cost at the time of the build was around $900 for us.
Where can you purchase the polycarbonate?
Your best bet will be at a local glass shop. You can find it online, but the shipping will cost more than the panel
What was that 3d modelling software you used..?
That was Google sketch up!
does it get pretty hot in there after playing?
It's never gotten uncomfortably hot to me, although one of our drummers says he gets pretty toasty. It generally stays a few degrees warmer than the air in our church, but typically that means it's pretty comfortable to me.
This was super cool! Thanks for putting this up! Does the enclosure dramatically dampen the noise? I'm trying to do something similar for my house, with the goal being to make the drums as inaudible as possible from outside the enclosure.
This did cut down a ton on our noise level outside the shield. You can definitely still tell someone is playing drums, but it takes the edge off and lowers the overall level considerably. Your best bet will be to work out a door system that is as air tight as possible. That’s where ours falls short...
@@WeTalkTone Awesome! Thanks for the reply 🙏
How dB is out?
Great video!
how tall are your uprights and back wall?
I believe I made them 71.5 inches to account for both 1/4 inch channels routed out for the lexan (and the lexan is 72in or 6ft)
@@WeTalkTone thank you
What is the size of your polycarbonate you are using sir
The main piece on the front is 6' x 10' and 1/4" thick.
Hello friends .. in my church we want to build the drum enclousure ... but I need your help .. where can I get the transparent acrylic sheet of that size .. in which company, where did you buy it?
Thank you
Cheers
Your best bet will be to find a glass supplier local to you - a window shop or anywhere that deals with glass. The pieces are too large to ship economically, so call around to different places by you and see what they'll be able to get one for you for. They should charge you for just the polycarbonate and nothing for shipping if they get it in on one of their normal orders along with their other product.
Yoo I have the same kit!
What was the final materials bill?
Around $900, but prices on just about everything has gone up since then
Where do you find the 6' x 10' × 1/4" polycarbonate?
I can only find 6 x 8 :-( Help!!!
Oh no! My best advice is to call around your local window/door/glass shops - the ones I called were all very helpful even though I could tell they weren't sure what I was trying to do with it 😂
Hey, guys! A very informative video!
Though, could I ask you to upload and give access to the blueprints? Would be really helpful, 🙏 God bless !
light video? how did y'all do them. or could I at least get a LINK to the equipment you used.
Still haven’t got it edited... I will find link for some of the things we used and get back to you soon!
@@WeTalkTone really want to know how you guys made these kind of fresnel lights
For the led strips these are the things we used:
Dmx Controllers
www.amazon.com/dp/B075FHJM35/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_R2djFbS4020AH
Power supply for dmx encoders:
www.amazon.com/dp/B06XJVYDDW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_VTWIkV9qnJwaW
Led Tape:
www.amazon.com/dp/B07JKKP89M?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Housing for the leds:
www.amazon.com/dp/B07691Y351?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Wiring:
www.amazon.com/dp/B00UBSQPEG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_36rsE9PUn9QNx
And you’ll need to make AC power cords with supplies from Home Depot
For the faux fresnel lights:
Plastic black basic planters from Home Depot
Clear saucers that usually sit underneath the planters, spray painted with clear ‘frost’ :
www.amazon.com/dp/B019HJ8QNC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Outdoor Flood lights:
www.amazon.com/dp/B06VT8MJGJ?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
bases for the bulbs:
www.amazon.com/dp/B000HJ97AS?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Boxes to mount the bases to and sandwich the back of the planters:
www.amazon.com/dp/B005JC6BWK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
We used American DJ or Chauvet dmx dimmers.
Misc wiring for AC to bulbs from Home Depot
I know this probably my doesn’t help a ton but it may get you started in the right direction. Will try and get the other video edited soon... I’m swamped at the moment with my full time job and side jobs trying to stay afloat during COVID
Not sure if you’ll get the notification since I ‘replied’ to the original post, but wanted to point you to the supply list I just posted above
@@WeTalkTone thank you for your response, very clever solution, a lot of insights. You guys did a really great work!
Did you all do the arc yourself or did you find a company to do so? If so can you share their information? I’m finding companies to do the cutting but not the arcing.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean.... we inserted the Lexan into the groove we routed - it's a very flexible/bendable material. All of the other processes you saw us do.
WeTalkTone Just so I Understand, you bought a rectangular poly sheet and the did the bending yourself into the “arc”? Or did the company shape the poly sheet for you? That’s my question. Hopefully that makes sense? I’m wanting to know do I need to find a company to shape the arc for me or do I only need to buy the custom sheet and bend it myself?
Yes, we purchased the rectangular sheet and the arc groove I routed into the wood platforms (top and bottom) are what hold it in place as the bent arc.
No need to have a company "shape it" for you, it's very flexible and will bend to whatever you need (within reason)
How much was the whole build?
It was around $800-$900 for us at the time. I think just about everything has probably gone up in price since then though.
The enclosure looks incredible! Question: does the polycarbonate arc provide better sound reduction than plexiglass panels? Would the same concept work using a prefabricated drum shield, assuming the same level of air tightness and 360° coverage?
I would say the sound reduction would be about identical... If any different it would be imperceptible. Yes, Hunter actually just made another one for another church that used only panels from a drum sheild. And because they made everything air tight, it's crazy how good a job it does at blocking sound
Total How much you have spended for this enclouser sir...🙏
Around $900 including the polycarbonate
How much did this Build cost??
It was around $800-$900. But that was before the cost of wood and everything else went up!
you need to put something on the outside of that lock in case theres a medical emergency
What was you guys total parts cost?
I believe it was around $900 or so
That's including the cost of the polycarbonate
@@WeTalkTone nice we would like to build that do you have a blue print
Not other than the plans and charts shown in this video
You guys never uploaded that video showing how you guys did the LEDs
I know :( Life just gets busy and there's always work to do. Hopefully soon I'll get some time to work on it!
@@WeTalkTone Interested in seeing this as well if you guys ever have the time. But this video was great. Super cool work guys.
I'm sure you mentioned it somewhere... but do you remember roughly how much it all cost and how long it took to make? Thanks!
I believe we had about $900 into it give or take. The build itself took 4 or 5 days worth of work (of probably half days), but we spanned that over the course of a couple weeks
And you didn't include footage of you playing in it WITH SOUND and no before and after...
So let’s say I told you that Jesus was my uncle, would you build me one like that from scratch? 🥳
As a carpenter, couldn't Jesus build it himself? ;)
Great! Another video of making a soundproof room without actually demonstrating the actual sound that it does(nt) make. Thanks!
Lol, yes, you are not wrong. We did not demonstrate this as we had no official way to do this - we don’t have an spl meter, and also since we expect everyone’s to be different (ours was not air tight) it would be pointless to show what ours does. But, the true point of these enclosures are only to reduce the levels enough to where they do not affect the listening experience from the front of house - no enclosure will completely mute the sound although some come closer than others. While ours effectively does this for us in our particular space, everyone’s space and set ups will be different.
I would never use polycarbonate or acrylic, it scares me the fact that at some point it will have a lot of scratches. The project looks good anyway!
Thanks! What material would you use?
@WeTalkTone im thinking about glass. Im not sure how do you call it (im portuguese) when you have glass + air box + glass, all in one piece. Thats what im planning to use at my church. Im sure it can be maybe a bit more challenging isolating the sound from the inside but at least I know that in short term there wont be any scratches and the pastor is going to ask me about how much money we spent and its all scratched up already.
Interesting idea. I wonder what the cost of something that size would be though. Keep me updated on your build!
We are going to use Lexan. Very durable plastic and not that expensive. The sheet of 6 by 8 goes for $250 (CAN) the most expensive part would be the wood and other materials.
So I guess they raised their prices since COVID for the poly.
Hate to hear that. How much is something that size going for now?
Tickness of polycarbonate
American church is something else. I love the dedication to music, but I'm confused how all this relates to god. In my country i couldn't imagine a priest being interested in moving LED stage lights (or even anything else than an organ, really) or why a rock band would care about Jesus.
Tell me sir
Tell me
Why spend hundreds on drums just to play them in a box. Think of the optics, if it's such a good why not due away with electric pianos and put a real one in a box and mike it. If you want to control the drummers volume it makes a lot more sense to go with electronic drums
It’s true, electric drums have come a long way in feel and sound. The really nice ones are a pretty penny though still