Armed Amazon Driver Shoots & Kills Man Robbing His Truck, Will Amazon Fire Him?
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- An armed robber targeted an Amazon delivery truck around 4 p.m. in Cleveland, Ohio. The armed robber attempted to forcibly steal the Amazon driver's delivery truck at gunpoint.
Despite managing to get behind the wheel, the carjacker's escape was short-lived as he ended up crashing the vehicle, as per the authorities.
During the incident, the Amazon employee discharged their firearm, shooting the robber, resulting in the suspect being fatally wounded.
The carjacker was declared deceased at the scene by responding emergency personnel.
In Ohio, you cannot use deadly force solely to protect property.
The law specifies that deadly force can be justified only if there is a serious threat to personal safety. For example, if someone is stealing your car from your yard without posing any threat to your personal safety, you cannot legally use deadly force against them.
However, if the situation involves a deadly weapon and poses a threat to life, such as in cases of aggravated robbery, you might be justified in using deadly force.
So, it's not really clear if this Amazon driver will walk away completely legally clear here. However, the fact that they haven't arrested him leads me to believe he should be good.
What I am worried about is this Amazon delivery driver being fired from his Job. Amazon's policy bans delivery drivers from carrying guns while on the job.
Let me know what you think in the comment section
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CARRY AT WORK, FUCK COMPANY POLICY. COMPANY POLICY IS FOR THE COMPANY'S BEST INTEREST NOT YOURS
Ain't that the damn truth!
That was/is exactly my sentiment.
Fortunately I never had to USE my self defense tools while at work/on-the-clock, but I was damned sure prepared/trained to if required!
2 years or prison in sc for that. That's right, they made it criminal not civil.
@@andrewk8636that's when it's time to move, f the liberal lawmakers
That's what all the delivery driver's I talk to say!
Of course they will fire him. Can’t have folks running around protecting themselves.
Yep.... Amazon for sure has a "Policy" that you're NOT allowed to be Armed. These BIG Corps don't allow basic human rights.
And to be clear, if a person is "around" people, dealing with the public or even other employees, there's always the potential for harm, so company's should NOT be allowed to Restrict certain Rights.
For example, they can restrict "Speech" to a "degree" because such can directly effect the operation of the business, i.e. not allowing "Protests" etc. on property. But lawfully carrying a gun has ZERO effect on the operation of the business, thus businesses shouldn't be allowed to restrict these sorts of Rights.
I actually think we need a NEW LAW in the West in which nobody in Government or Business is allowed to restrict ANY basic Lawful or Constitutional Right, save as above which is standard in relation to Rights and the exercise thereof.
If such persons do attempt or restrict such rights, they are either Fired, Fined, and/or sent to Prison depending on the Offense.... The Citizen should NOT have to "continually relitigate" their basic Rights, being disenfranchised because they can't afford to fight back, or just lose anyway etc. Since we can no longer "Trust" those in Power, we need to be able to hold them accountable. And if they were, they wouldn't even DARE come close to restricting our Rights anymore, be it Civil Forfeiture, Social Media, Banks, etc. restricting or taking away Rights.
this is unfortunately what will happen. even though it was his own personal vehicle he was trying to defend. if people stop buying products from companies that protect criminals, maybe they will think twice.
Oh... God forbid
He should be fired. He agreed to the terms when accepted this job. Even under the protection of 1st amendment, saying bad things about your boss will get you fired. 😂
the issue is if the amazon delivery driver accidently hit someone in the cross fire and the company will be liable for the employee action
Amazon driver here. It’s actually a violation of your employee contract to carry a weapon on you when you’re delivering. They will therefore unfortunately, but most likely, fire him. That doesn’t stop me. I carry every time I deliver because I’d rather lose this job than lose my life.
Why be a good worker for a company that doesn't value your life?
So.. the honest question.. if a "right" is federally protected.. why can people "privately" claim you can't do something "federally" protected? After all... I can freely speak anything... yet I can't freely ensure I'm safe?
After all 1+1=2... as in... 2nd amendment.. Go figure
@@TrueHelpTV Constitutional rights protect you from government. Not from your employer.
You are very intelligent, because when seconds matter, the cops are only minutes away.
@@mrchavez1967 mins???????? how about they avg response time is 15 mins
As an Amazon driver from Cleveland this is the exact reason why I carry on the job. If rules are put in place to violate your rights then break those rules. Period.
Better yet, don't work for them!
Can get another job.. can't get another life
@@orion1954 i think you misunderstood what he said. He's on the amazon driver's side...
@@orion1954 I think he's just being truthful in his comment, and if the company takes the high road by firing him because they are afraid of being sued he's pointing out that at least he's still alive, try not to read so much into comments and chill out
Heart of the matter, right there.
@@aj2nacinolmao the dude just grazed through your comment, barely read anything then forms a false statement against you. Much like 90% of people do online today.
Same goes for the armed thief. Get a job, live your life.
If they fire him, he needs to hire an attorney for a civil lawsuit. EVERYONE has the RIGHT to defend themselves, regardless of who they work for.
Normalize concealed carry while working a 9-5 that is as dangerous as being a cop in a crime ridden city/neighborhood
What about school teachers? Lol can’t break federal law
once you sign a contract that the legal of terms say you are not allowed to carry, you will have no chance to win the lawsuit.
@fintherebel5000 needs to be in every state no one should not be allowed to carry
Alas, they signed the terms of employment so... they won't have any grounds for the suit.
SHOULD have, but won't.
Amazon should have a law suit brought against them for not providing a safe work environment if they fire this young man.
Exactly.
He drives for Amazon flex that means he's a private contractor so he could actually carry if he wants to
That was my thinking. If they can't provide protection for their drivers then they shouldn't have a right to tell them they can't carry while out on public roads delivering. Lawmakers should make it illegal for companies to require employees that go out in public to be unharmed.
Amazon is more concerned about liability to a criminal than they are about their drivers' lives.
Can we stop worrying about criminals??
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Their FJB's Friendly's
how else will democrats ever get more supporters?
*AMEN!*
Best, most common sense comment.
As one Florida sheriff once stated, at least he won't be a repeat offender.
Grady Judd he visits my job all the time to see his daughter
❤ Grady😊
And he was shot "Graveyard dead".
F*** I just forgot why isn't Grady running for president
He was defending himself and not the crap on the truck. If amazon fires him, sue them.
lies
@@groper.not.grouper9501 - What do you mean "lies"? It doesn't matter where you are or who you are working for, you have a lawful right to defend yourself.
@@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO not property this is a pretty dumb crime trackers and such insurance and he didnt shoot the young man he was fleeing already so if he goes to court he is cooked
you have to explain how you were in fear of your life not upset not wronged but in threat of great bodily harm
@@groper.not.grouper9501 - The Criminal literally carjacked him at gunpoint, stealing his own car contracted with Amazon, loaded with Amazon packages. We have a right in this nation to protect not only ourselves and our lives, but also our property. The Government nor Amazon, is going to buy him a new car if the one he was carjacked from, was stolen.
@@groper.not.grouper9501they didn't explain very well as to what was going on and in what order. Just wait until it goes to court and observe what actually happened.
I'm a route driver delivering pharmaceuticals to pharmacies ... the employee handbook said "only if authorized", I figure the state and county authorized me to carry concealed, so i felt no need to mention the matter to my employer.
Yes sir! I was "authorized" in 1776!
My former employer ask me to sign a letter saying I wouldn't carry while in my service truck with all MY TOOLS in it , I said no thanks, you hired me when I had a carry permit and I will leave with a carry permit, just retired, 16 years later!!!! Do not give in to losing your rights, stand strong!!!!!
I have my own business doing commercial refrigeration, cooking equipment repair, HVAC and electrical. I always carry. I have at least $10k of tools on my truck and work in the city of Rochester NY a lot. Lot of sketchy people everywhere
So.. the honest question.. if a "right" is federally protected.. why can people "privately" claim you can't do something "federally" protected? After all... I can freely speak anything... yet I can't freely ensure I'm safe?
After all 1+1=2... as in... 2nd amendment.. Go figure
@@TrueHelpTV Well, they can't. However almost every state follows at-will employment so they can fire you for whatever they feel like - just as you can quit for whatever you feel like. You have the right to defend yourself and they have the right not to employ you because they're scumbags.
@TrueHelpTV - your rights are not federal protected, they are God given.
@@stephen-ng then thank God wise men before us decided to force the sad men before us to still be obligated to protect those "God given" rights we have.
Interesting fact. An employee who is killed becomes instantly unemployed.
So. Would you rather be alive and unemployed, or dead and unemployed?
I've been in jobs where it felt like I was dead and employed.
Facts!!!
Since the bad guy lost the gunfight and the delivery driver survived , Amazon doesn’t have to pay death benefits to the family of the deceased. Yes, they may fire him, but he will live on.
@@zackr8938 this is the most relatable comment I've read in a long time 👌
"Dead". It's unfair but this is big business. They can easily replace an employee. But a $50 million lawsuit is something else.
I stopped by an Amazon facility in Maryland and was amazed at the sheer number of signs picturing a pistol with a red circle & slash over it.
I used to work there as well. Crazy policy.
Been driving a truck for almost 5 years now. In my experience virtually every big company has some kind of anti-second amendment policy.. this includes but not limited to, continental tire, Goodyear tire, Masonite doors, walmart DCs, walgreens DCs, CVS DCs, and on and on.
I drove for Amazon, but as a Flex driver. They prohibit firearms in their facilities where I check in and get my route/cart. I could not find language in their driver agreement that prohibited me from being able to defend myself while delivering. I am a private contractor in my own vehicle. This looks like it might be his car with an Amazon magnet logo on it.
Was this a bad shoot? Can't tell. Need more facts.
Car-jacked at gunpoint? It's not about defending the packages or defending your car. When a gun is pointed at you it's about defending your life. And is the threat really over when the armed thief driving away in your car might also have your house keys, wallet, phone, and access to private information?
If you let him have the car and the cargo there is no reason for him to shoot you.
@@bonchidude Yes, there is a reason to be shot. No witness.
The 2nd Amendment is more important than Amazon rules. The carjacking was ongoing.
Which is why amazon should encourage carrying. If not providing training and a firearm themselves.
I doubt they will stand that strong.
It is not just Amazon.
At no time should company policy come before protecting your life.
He wanted to the stuff in the van. I don't think the criminal went out to kill someone.
Are you not intelligent enough to know that
If your life is on the line, surely losing your Amazon delivery driver job should be the least of your concerns in that moment. He can always pivot to driving for Uber or the USPS.
amazon policy is to not confront anyone. basically if you try to carjack a driver they will give you the keys to the company vehicle. in this case the minivan is the drivers personal car. his a amazon flex driver similar to uber drivers.
@@paultaylor9498 So what. He carjacked him, he forfeited his life when he did that. If you engage in violence with or without a weapon you are putting your life on the line. That's the very nature of violent crime, a car jacking is a violent crime. The criminal knew the risks, took them, and did not beat the odds.
@@paultaylor9498 if im understanding what was said correctly, it was an armed carjacking. So at that point, i dont care what his motive is for committing the crime. If they are willing to pull a gun to commit a crime, then they are willing to possibly lose ability to breath. You cant assume they are not willing to use it!!
Do not work for Amazon
In the State of MS it is illegal to deprive an employee of their right to carry unless the employer provides a secured parking lot with an armed guard
It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!
Absolutely..
Amen
Absolutely
As long as the 12 aren't apostles. But I getcha.
Been saying that for 40 yrs
Yessir
My opinion is that losing the job with Amazon would have 0.00000001% of importance when it comes to defending one's life.
Driver should get an award and pay raise, not fired.
If the dead guy was using the vehicle as a secondary weapon the Amazon driver most certainly had the right to defend himself
If your employer forces you to be disarmed, then they should assume liability if you are attacked.
They wouldn't even do that. They won't even insure you
@@kingkazuma2239 Wtf are you talking about? Companies force their employees to be disarmed all the time.
Liability cannot protect you from violence. And as someone here has already deftly pointed out, you can get a new job, but if you are dead, you won't get another life.
@@danielduncan6806 Not everybody that gets attacked dies. Also, families typically sue when a family member gets killed.
Don't know how else to hold these marxist companies accountable for having work policies that put their employees at exceptional risk of criminal violence.
100% agree, and any place where there is a gun free zone, the owners should assume 100% of the liability if I am robbed, assaulted, or murdered because I cannot defend myself.
He was a CONTRACTOR for Amazon so he has NO legal right to Amazon, they will let him go with no legal consequences.
Amazon has fired people for less. Guarantee they will fire this guy
These corporations do not want individual liberty.
Corporations don't want to be the deep pockets in some ex-criminal's family lawsuit.
They never did
Shareholders are the corps owners. so they own the governments and their laws.
Sooner or later those bloodlines will be exposed when you follow the control path.
Neither does our criminal/ fraud Govt
Amazon wants us to be like cattle.
The driver needs to sue Amazon for an unsafe work environment if he is fired.
Amen!!!
The problem is he cant. Amazon uses 3rd party contractors to avoid being directly sued.
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443Yes he can. You can’t contract someone to do an unsafe job and not expect to be sued. Amazon gets sued all the time. Also I think it’s a flex driver so he technically works for Amazon directly.
Why.......just go elsewhere. It's not like Amaxon put him in danger. There are jobs that put people in bad positions. This incidence was compliments of some random idiots iniative.
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 but not 3rd party enough to keep the job? nice double standard. it may be destroyed in court.
Dude gave that robber next day delivery on a trip to hell
😂😂😂😂
I live in Cleveland. Multiple police officers have told me that it should be required that citizens carry to protect themselves. It’s either your life or theirs. Willoughby PD, Shaker PD, and Cleveland PD officers all told me this based on situations I was in… all within the last 10 months.
Good guys 1, bad guys 0.
Will Amazon fire him? Yes. Will the state prosecute him? 👈🏼 Now that is a real question.
For what? The man was in progress of committing a felony...
Hey thats offensive now @jbkibs
@@jbkibscause it all depends on if the attacker was attacking him at the time. If he drove off and the Amazon driver chased him and shot him, he going to jail
It's not against Flex policy to use firearms.
start a petition , lets vote!
The neighbors were more concerned about it being in their front yard than worrying about the driver who was forced to defend his life.
My company strictly prohibits firearms on workplace grounds. I carry 2 anyway. I deal with cash. I will make it back to my family every night.
AMEN!
It will go badly for you of you are caught.
@@bonchidude don't care
@@tonytaylor5461 You will care later. Tougher men than you have fallen.
@@bonchidude You're adorable
No business should deny anyone the power of self defense while driving
Stay strapped or get clapped
Or at any other time or place
Just imagine if they didn't fire him. It would send a message and carjackings/ thefts would go down
I disagree. Desperate bad guys always find a firearm from God-knows-where, then come back to 'even the score'. What good is a hog-leg against an ambush by 2-5 people? (heavy sigh) They have a 'right' to defend themselves, too. SMH
And instead created a new policy that all new hires must have a concealed carry permit.
@jeffreyb8770 So a year ago the Sheriff of Santa Rosa County in Florida told the press after an attempted break in and a home owner shot at the intruder, that he would prefer that home would have shot and killed the intruder and the said they have training ever other weekend. On the 1 year anniversary of this there had been ZERO home invasions. Criminals pick easy targets.
As a delivery driver for Amazon, I want to give an idea of what may happen.
First, all drivers are contractors for Amazon, not actually employees of Amazon.
Amazon will not want this kind of publicity, and they may demand his company to fire him.
Amazon absolutely does not care at all about its drivers.
Amazon is not good place to work, they are bad, corruption interviewer too. I just give up a job because they told me give them paycheck for 5 year company, from beginning day to end. I wonder if they need employee or they are fbi want to fire employee. I give them a lot of info then they ask mores, I can not accept paycheck, because company deposit to bank, I think they are communist, corrupted peoplein hiring. Otherwise before that, they told me i was hired and give me exactly work day but after that they ask me bulshit question, I gave up.
The robber had Amazon prime and got an instant delivery of a bullet !!
wow
@@flat-earther Same minute delivery !! 😂
The “I don’t like this stuff in my yard” lady is your classic NIMBY.
She was probably also complaining that her package didn't arrive while watching a man trying to defend his life. Can't stand these kinds of people.
NIMFY actually... as bad as that sounds lol. Not In My Front Yard.
She literally said he had to do what he had to do. She supported the shooting
Tell the lady; if you don’t like that in your front yard DO NOT VOTE FOR IT.
She's da one who'll yell at U over dog$hit😂
It should be against the law to fire someone for practicing their constitutional right of self defense!!!
TRUE !!
You mean DEACTIVATE someone. He drives for Amazon Flex, he is a 1099 contractor. There are sets of rules and guidelines you agree to when signing up to use the app. They have to deactivate him or they would violate their own policy and open themselves up to lawsuits from other app users as well as anyone drivers use force against.
Yes - it should - but private companies are not required to adhere to the constitution. The constitution is written specifically to protect you from the government. Not any given company.
You need to get a better understanding of the constitution and the difference between public and private.. it blows me how little people know about the legal system that governs their lives..
@@thenerdnetwork The robber was DEACTIVATED.
I worked as a prime delivery driver .. I wouldn’t follow their stupid polices 😠
People just need to stop tolerating crime.
And stop voting for politicians/judges that legalize crime.
This Amazon driver shouldn't be charged with anything.
That depends....did the driver willingly forfeit the van and then shoot the guy while he was driving away? If he did, they will 100% prosecute
Also doesn’t specify if he drove off with him inside
He should get charged with a massive raise.
@@TheoHawk316 😆 100%
@@TheoHawk316yeeeeeep! agree
As far as I am concerned, it should be MANDATORY for delivery drivers to be armed.
With certified gun training it can save your life and others when you are shooting whenever you're shooting a gun you have to remember where that bullet is going and you do not want it to kill an innocent citizen
But you can’t even answer your front door with your gun without getting killed
Amazon drivers rarely work for Amazon. Liability for driver behavior, including self-defense, would fall upon any of hundreds of regional subcontractors. Amazon does this not just to be insulated from liability, but to make the workforce harder to unionize (like UPS).
Amazon almost certainly will fire him because of insurance liability and the ghastly thought of protecting 2A.
I hope not. Driver has a right to defend himself and my property he’s delivering!
Wrong! He has the duty to act to Protect HIS Life, NOT your property!
If i was the armed driver of that Amazon car, i would Flee the scene as fast as possible! Not my job to put My Life on the line to "Protect" merchandise! PERIOD!
Looks like he owns that vehicle he is delivering pkgs in
@@captintinsmith3774 "He has the duty to act to Protect HIS Life, NOT your property!" Why would he protect my property? 😆
@@captintinsmith3774in Ohio. In other states (like Texas) he has a right to stand his ground and either protect himself or other people’s property or lives.
@@captintinsmith3774 OP didn't say "duty." He said "right." You don't have a duty to do so, but you do have a *right* to protect the "castle" which is your delivery truck and all the contents contained therein.
I may or may not carry gun firearm and my CCW with me in my semi. I refuse to go to eastern states like NY and NJ and western states that my company travels to on rare occasions. It's against company policy, and I will immediately be terminated if it's discovered I may be carrying. But I'd rather be fired than victimized, hospitalized or killed.
Also a DOT violation but i dont disagree with you at all.
Is NOT a DOT violation
I carry at ALL times in my truck
I don't go to east past Pennsylvania
I have been ask by DOT cops in weigh stations while being inspected if I carry a gun
I always tell them the truth
They always say good idea
Rarely ask for my carry licenses
Never been bothered
It is a myth that was started by the big trucking companies a long time ago no firearms in commercial vehicles
Never has been a law against carry I commercial vehicles
I've never actually been asked if I'm carrying except at south Texas border control stations. If they ask, I tell the truth, but if they don't ask I don't volunteer any information. The CCW is just in case.
Yep. Stay out of enemy territory.
@@mikespencer9409 just look it up from DOT. You are correct. Not surprised my company lied to me and every driver i have ever talked to on the subject. 😂
What type of question is that? Its amazon, they'll fire him for taking a 30 second break!
I’ve even heard that Amazon will fire people just for being late once Smh
They do have union protection, so he might have a chance we’ll see
Never mind I thought it was UPS. His ass is getting fired.
@@jessie801000 Even if there's one, would most unions defend the employees' right to carry a firearm? Considering their politics and the politicians they tend to donate to
@Nathan-jh1ho that's a damn good question
The problem with Amazon company is that its against the rules for employees to carry. Amazon warehouses have double sealed doors like prison in order to get in and out. This driver probably got fired
It's a damn shame a person cannot protect themselves by means of a gun. This is why there is more crime now, criminals are afraid.
You mean ARE NOT afraid
The 2nd Amendment was placed in our Constitution for the very purpose of self defense. I don't think that a business can deny you that right legally.
@@Partysize2 Funny, the states that crafted it argued it was there for the very purpose of throwing off the yoke of an oppressive national government. Self defense was already a given at he time, even in King George's England. You probably won't see this comment, it's a little too close to the truth. I hope I'm wrong.
@@Partysize2Well, it’s actually so we can field militias to defend ourselves against invading armies. But also our own government, if need be. And need has _long_ been. But we’re too pussified to do that now.
Criminals do not abide by laws
Before I even finished reading your title I knew Amazon would try to fire him. None of these companies care about the safety of their workers.
Fancy seeing you here. Don't forget, Amazon is anti-gun.
I'm an Amazon delivery driver and you are absolutely right they do not care about their employees one bit.
Unlike video games, there is no respawn for us. He made the right choice in defending his own life.
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This might seem too soon but this reminds me of the pacific bank mission in the first mission in gt online.
@@wickedrc7492 That's only because of your skin color. If you had a different skin color, you could lie and report that a customer's door bell ring called you a "ginger" and they would cancel his entire service. Doesn't matter that it's a lie. They won't even investigate. They will just immediately shut off every service that the customer has.
Amazon driver here, it’s actually a violation of your employee contract to carry a weapon on you when you’re delivering. They will most likely unfortunately fire him therefore. That doesn’t stop me, I barely give a crap about this Amazon job, it pays the bills and that’s it.. I carry every time I deliver because I’d rather lose this job than lose my life
If I ran Amazon, lead delivery would be a 5 year paid vacation. Very well paid lmao
Sounds like if you ran Amazon, you would take one of the largest companies in America, and run it into the ground with non-stop litigation. You should start up a delivery company where you not only require employees to carry firearms but incentivize when people use those firearms. Would love to hear how that company turns out.
@@thenerdnetwork I’ll start Blamazon
Fafo what’s in that package!
If the car jacker pointed a gun at the driver, then to "me," it is justified to defend your life using whatever means available!
Right. The carjacker isn't threatening the packages, he's threatening the human occupants of the vehicle.
I love that the media framed it as a “deadly shooting” instead of a robbery. Classic Schmozby
That was a glaring mis-statement to me as well.
I bet Jeff Bezos has fully armed security.
Excellent narration! Keep up the great work!
I’m a “utility worker” in Detroit and I carry every day. I don’t care if they fire me I have seen too much crazy shit happen
I don't care who you work for, you have the God given right to protect yourself, and you employer has the right to provide you with a protected work environment.
Amen to that I agree what u said🤘
Property isn't included.
@@MrPAULONEAL in texas .. even more so at night.. move to texas
In a perfect world I agree but these corporations and there constant worries of losing money on lawsuits don't give two 💩 but the workers.
Your Employer is legally obligated to provide a safe environment.
That means they MUST.
Imagine Amazon encouraging all their drivers to be armed after this and paying for anyone's CCL who wants it.
Sounds like Amazon want to start a boycott.
That's his personal vehicle. No company policy can make me let them take MY car. I wasn't defending packages
Yeah, agree! Plus Amazon is a shitty company to work for. So I’d much rather loose my job than my life. If you’re truly 2A, you’re carrying no matter what. It just sucks in some states they’re not too friendly with self-defense, like California. Amazon is a horrible company. The owner makes $40 million a day on average, but pays poverty level yearly income to most of its workers. Not only that, but most line workers have a hard job, with bad working conditions and basically no breaks. It takes 10 minutes to walk to your car or break room and ten to walk back. So your 20 minute break is not really a break at all. So fuck Amazon, definitely not dying for those assholes. Another driver was literally eaten to death by a pack of dogs. Definitely not worth getting shot or eaten by dogs for $15 an hour. Plus these people have to get expensive insurance, a pricey vehicle and pay for gas. Obviously some drivers are contracted and drive company vehicles, yet don’t technically work for Amazon. Than there are those who use their personal vehicles and therefor have to pay for all of that, just to make crap money.
My work doesn’t dictate what my life is worth. Disregard the rule; I’d rather be fired and alive.
Can we talk about how excited and pleased the female caller sounded?
Any establishment or company that removes a right from an employee or patron should be held completely liable for any damages that could have been prevented if the victim had all their rights.
You are your own 1st Responder ....You are in Charge of your own Safety these days ...Be Prepared...
The robber brought a gun to a gunfight….. He just lost….. don’t fire that man!
I agree what u said🤘
Carjacking is automatically life threatening. They get control of the car, they have a lethal weapon.
Here in NJ ,the law says we must surrender the vehicle and the packages and our lives if necessary. I cannot use deadly force to protect your property
I had some dude try & attack me on my route when I drove a garbage truck. He opened the door & tried attacking me, I pulled my gun out & he ran away. They fired me. Buddy's wife said she I did the right thing & she woulda shot em. The cops said I was 100% legally in the right & that they woulda shot em as well. Still got fired. Safety first people second.
My husband's company also says "no carrying" but it's his life, not theirs. I'll just leave that there. This driver obviously felt threatened.... He'll likely lose his job.
Protecting oneself is a personal thing, not a company business.
I bet the Amazon driver never thought he would make it to "Prime" time
Private contractor owning his own vehicle, and using it to deliver packages. YES, total self defense! Will they fire him? Of course because he signed a contract, and had their magnet on his car...
Fuck the company; they guard their best self interests, not yours.
good point. Contractor.
@@vayabroder729 That's kinda why they started a company.
a Dominoes delivery driver in Lafayette, Indiana died a few years ago after being lured to a house and was held at gun point by two teens, a male and female, he managed to pull out his concealed weapon and shot the kid but just after the kid fired a shot and missed, the girl picked up her bf's gun and shot the driver then fled. This happened not far from where I lived and it was a few blocks away from the girl's house, the girl is still awaiting trial for murder. The owner of that Dominoes urged their drivers to carry if they have a CCW. Now I don't entirely remember but the mother was unaware of what her daughter did and when she found out, did not take her daughter's side. Fyi the girl was black or Hispanic the boy was Hispanic, and the driver was white. She will see jail time. Attempted robbery and manslaughter. She was 16 or 17 at the time and will be tried as an adult.
The magnet night was well say “GUN FREE ZONE” 🙄
This was related to a crime spree that included 2 other stolen vehicles, a stolen iPhone, a stolen iPad all armed robberies & culminated in attempted robbery of Amazon driver & their vehicle all by a group of 5 individuals working together in under 2hr period all at gun point & everyone robbed were in fear for their lives being threatened to be shot
Absolutely insane
I say justice was served...
Which city was this in? Is it known as a "safe" area or history of crime in the general area? We're the other four perps around? If so, shame the driver didn't get to become an "ace."
Amazing! Typical miscommunication occurs whenever only a quarter of the story airs. Sadly, that sums up 90% of national news "reporting." If journalists had hearts, souls, and integrity like they used to, NONE of this would be happening to the lethal level it is today.
When competition becomes lethal and dishonest, we used to close the venue and jail the cheaters and relieve them of their stolen honors (like Olympic medals 🏅).
@keithgraham9547 This was in Cleveland, Ohio & unfortunate to say crime is regular
They better not fire this person. He is doing his job protecting himself.
Flex driver using your own vehicle = defend yourself.
Driving a DSP van = Let them take it.
Every fleet I've worked for, drivers and office staff typically carry unofficially.
You hit the nail on the head. The only reason that Amazon fired their driver was to avoid liability from any civil action against Amazon. Terminating the driver was their message that they did not endorse, recommend, or support the driver's actions. This would open a whole Pandora's box of civil litigation against all concerned. We will find out eventually all the details of this shooting incident over time.
Then sue them for infringement of constitutional rights
Then either A: Amazon drivers would all quit because they too can become under attack from a thief and Amazons stocks will tank and they'll get their Bud Light moment.
B: Drivers would be too scared to say anything because they can't afford to lose their job and if they become a victim or much worse Amazon would try and find a way around coming under fire from a lawsuit from the driver's family.
A buddy of mine is a combat veteran, he was working for Spectrum out of Indianapolis, he told his boss on day one to not send him out to any area with high crime since he wasn't allowed to carry his sidearm. His boss told him that's fair as he explained to his boss that if it came down to using his hands to defend himself that he'd most likely go to jail because a simple beating of the perp wouldn't be good enough for him.
Time discovers the truth.
For Ohio, personally, I'd consider someone stealing another's car life-threatening. Their car is stolen so tbey can't go to work, they can't go to the store to buy food (depending how far away they live), they're at risk of losing their home/apartment because no job = no money, all this shit might make someone suicidal leading to a definite threat to their life. Imagine punishing law abiding citizen instead of criminals.
Imagine? It’s a common thing now. Exactly what this video is about.
@@user-ql9xy5nh8l ??? In this instance, the word, "imagine" is being used in an ironic context. Yes, I know that innocent people are being punished and criminals let free. It's highlighting the absurdity of the modern criminal justice system.
@@tjpprojects7192 so we’re in agreement. What ever happened to the army sergeant in Austin? Did Abbott pardon him?
Driver should be fired per policy, but shoud be awarded massive damages because company failed to protect him from severe trauma and unsafe work conditions.
Millions in payouts are the only way to end " gun free work policies." Hire secret service agents to protect every employee or allow personnel to make their own decisions and be held accountable for their own decisions.
This is one of those stories that will land that driver many job offers.
Lets hope that the driver does not have USCCA who will undoubtedly drop him as a client.
Do they?
I’ve heard that; it’s not worth it.
Wow what’s a good company ?
Why don't you pay attention to FACTS, rather than a bullshit narrative put forth by certain "businesses". That's leftist behavior, and we are better, and smarter than that.
@moneyhungryvisionzz7450 not them, theyve dropped two major cases and when asked say "we are an insurance company not a lawyer service"
Amazons policy probably says to just let it happen. They have insurance for a reason. They will probably fire him because they don’t want to be associated with someone who used force against a thief.
let insurance take care of it , tell me you are a child without telling me
@@tomgiorgini9154 Interesting how resorting to insults is the adult response, isn't it? Anyway, I stand by what I said about Amazon's policy. Doesn’t mean I don’t support the drivers actions here.
The company would rather pay Death benefits for murdered employees than be subjected to the possibility of multi-million dollar lawsuit settlements or jury awards of tens of millions.
The problem is insurance can't give you a new life or replace some injuries
Not disagreeing with your statement
I'm for the driver too
If you are robbed by an armed criminal, you legally have the right to defend yourself. Never expect a criminal to have morals to not hurt you.
Amazon HR: You’re fucking fired, Bob. Clean out your locker at the club. You’re fucking fired.
Omg he even got "Big Iron" pose 😂😂
So I'm supposed to know in advance if the person attacking me has a deadly weapon or not, and if not, I'm in trouble for defending myself. Absurd.
They will but at least he’s alive and protected himself. I’d rather be alive and jobless. Still a shame they will though.
I always carried when I worked for UPS, I don't care if you steal from UPS I care about making it home to my family
I'm from Cleveland here and this is very unsurprising, what would be a surprise if Amazon show concern for their drivers
Amazon treats their employees like crap so it would not surprise me if they fired him
The Amazon-driver sent that robber on an express-delivery to hell..
My work keeps asking me to do the delivery for them but like Amazon they won't let me carry so for me it's always a flat no.
As for Amazon policy, I also think they don't want drivers carrying a gun, in case they misuse it. Threaten someone who made them mad, or shooting someone unjustly.
It sounded like the person in the 911 call reporting the incident was not happy the Amazon driver protected himself and shot the carjacker. It was the part, ".. and the Amazon driver shot him" which stood out.
There's no guarantee a robber/carjacker won't harm you. It's good the driver protected himself.
Good video.
I noticed that too
She sounded to me like she was in agreement with the shooter.
Set up by the neighbors??
@@allsensesfiring I listened to it again after seeing your reply. Now I can't figure out if she was for or against the driver. This is a tough one, guys. Lol.
I believe that female voice is the 911 dispatcher giving the call out to police, not the 911 caller.
I roll my eyes, every time I hear a company act as if they really care about bad outcomes, all they care about is not getting sued.
Imagine killing another person for a corporation
Dispatcher sounded enthused about the driver stopping this theft spree
Amazon does not like people having the basic human right to self defense.
How about just basic human rights?
Point blank (pardon the expression), when a criminal presents a firearm during the commission of a crime, DEADLY self-defense should be JUSTIFIED.
It is not irrational to believe a carjacker driving off with your vehicle, can easily turn back around to have their way with a victim, kvll a victim, re-rob a victim etc.
The fact this is even debated is INSANE.