I've been hoping you'd do this one!!! As a former foster child turned foster parent, ultimately adopting my last 3 foster babies, this one is very, very close to my heart.
Same here, Jamie, and this just feels like a punch in the gut. Trauma upon trauma for these kids and then they had the terrible fortune to be placed in this type of home. For anyone considering being a foster parent, God Bless you, but if you are not equipped, please don't, you will do more harm than good.
I “lost” my cat for 3-4 minutes. I was going crazy ugly crying and running outside screaming his name and had his snacks with me. He was Under the bed. I acted more scared than these two people! 🤦♀️
I literally thought about the same thing. Once I left my door ajar while doing laundry down the hall. I couldn’t find my cat (profile pic) anywhere. I was hysterical. He was under the bed. I can’t even fathom not being able to find a child. I would be absolutely inconsolable.
@Nancy McNafferson I know exactly where you are coming from 💯 Our little Chihuahua had slipped by my feet when I opened the back door. It was a fluke. She was so tiny that I turned back to step back inside & she remained outside! After like 10 minutes, I went into the living room where she usually slept on her blanket atop the couch. She was not there. Slight panic...I started calling her.. rising panic. I started running through the house looking everywhere. Couldn't find her. I was freaking out, hyperventilating my heart was already breaking. I ran out front into the gated yard. She was no where to be found. I thought I was going to die. I opened the back door & by the grace of God she was 8 feet beyond the bottom of the staircase. Had she made it out to the street, cars are always racing by & we have packs of coyotes that walk/run right by there & take people's cats & whatever they can get. I will never ever forget it. Forevermore after that event, I always watched to make sure that she did not slip out the door undetected ever again.
When we moved from an apartment into our house, we kept our cat safe at all times, but once the move was near complete, he vanished for a whole day. We were going insane trying to find him until we heard him yowling. Turned out he'd crawled into the supports under our bed to hide and was having a hard time getting out.
I get more freaked out letting my dog in the 2.5 acre yard for potty breaks after dark than these people. He got lost once and I was less worried than mom, but still more scared than these people. (I searched cornfields at night and early day and notified neighbors).
The first red flag about these adoptive parents are that they changed the boys' names...like they were property and not people. They weren't infants, they were 3 and 4 year olds with identities. Rest in peace Classic and Cincere.
and another red flag is when he says " he noticed he left the gate open so he went back into the house" and not where the open gate would lead you. He just came from the house? why go back in? and Jaqueline's response " they SHOULD be in the backyard playing with chalk" Lady you're not missing keys, you're missing children, How about " what are you talking about they were with you !" did she actually need to tell him where they should have been ?? come on.
I have another question how these young parents provide for 6 children? What is their job? Is the adoptive mother even working? When there is a full wainting list for people who want to adopt a child with a pure intention,how the system are giving exactly to this couple total of 4 children? From the moment I start the video,I was like "what? 6children?what are these people do for living?!"
@@linabella1218 all I know is that the adopted father sold stupid beats for music... As for the adopted mother I don't think she did anything for work ( not sure though ) hope this helped a little bit... Anyways enjoy u day 🌞 & plz be safe out there!!
That's not an uncommon thing you are allowed to change the names like if other parents are abusing the kids' names by saying a cuss word and their name when they're really young then why have that name planted in their brain if it's a close adoption you're allowed to do whatever you want it don't matter
Broken..I am.raising an adopted child who has multiple.medical disabilities but.also PTSD from foster care, ASD, ADHD, sensory processing disorder.. EXTREMELY strong, self injury, no safety awareness. Very loving and smart boy but really keeps me on my toes trying to stay a step ahead. CYS has been called on us 14 times in 7 years. Our regular.casewokers knows us and his history thoroughly but in December a super young and inexperienced behavior therapist thought his eczema and head banging were child abuse, and late at night on Dec 30th an on call caseworker with zero special needs experience was a hair from taking him away. I called his nursing agency and thank dear.God they talked the on call caseworker down. Our nurse had to drive to my house in the middle of the night and stay but she did and when the regular caseworker.came back from vacation she took.over and everything was cleared.up..
its always suspicious to me when the alibis are little house on the prairie level wholesome activities. Dad chopping wood and mom wrapping Christmas presents
I suppose it's a minor point compared to the rest of this utterly bizarre story, but these kids were old enough to know their names. Even if you changed their last names after making them part of your family, why would you change their first names? That seems so unnecessarily confusing for children. This whole case is just baffling. HOW does this all happen?
I read a comment somewhere else on this video that sometimes adoptive parent(s) will change their child’s name in the case that the biological parent(s) had abused or threatened that child. If Billy’s bio. mom used to scream at him or always says his name before saying something abusive or threatening, that child will continue being scared especially being with a new family they are not comfortable with yet
@@angelafarson8915 That's true, I've worked with children who seem genuinely triggered and upset when they see or hear their biological names for clerical reasons. I also had an eight-year-old whose adoptive parents asked her permission to change her name and as part of becoming a family they all sat down and picked out a new name together. She ended up choosing the adoptive mother's name as her middle name. So you're right and I agree, it can be a healing thing!
I worked at a daycare and this little boy was at the daycare for a couple of years when his foster mom adopted him and changed his name and yea we all thought that was strange. He was about 3 or 4 and use to the name he had already. In my opinion, it's too late at that point.
I got the feeling from the adoptive grandmother’s statement that she suspected the parents. The whole “God forgives you, come forward” sounds like how my mom used to shame me into coming clean. Did anyone else get the same vibe?
Take note... she said 'someone knows that happened in DECEMBER'. The children weren't reported missing until months later. I agree, she may not know, but she believes
@@jukie16 And hasn't killed any of them either - she did lose her children, and maybe for good reason, but these boys are missing and likely dead because of their foster parents, (or at least, that's what is heavily suggested). We can still feel bad for the bio mom, even if she isn't a good parent. Because those little boys didn't deserve any of this, and a parent shouldn't have to bury their kids.
@@jukie16 No they were taken away from her by the State that could of done a proper investigation while the children were with family members and resolved. Instead they were given to strangers who killed them.
Those sweet little boys deserved a mom that loved them and wouldn't let them get taken away and put into a stranger's house or in this case...a murderer's house.
She said she could tell her sons didn’t like them, well what happened? Why did she let them ADOPT??? She didn’t complete the requirements of the state in order for them to be adopted out
The interview body language says a lot. I got so many Chris Watt vibes-The rocking back and forth Trizzelle even seems defensive , I hate that they have to wear masks cause we could see more
His matter of fact tone, and the weight he's putting on the order of events that day gives me the creeps. "Okay, so, it was cold. I was going to make a fire." If I were a parent, I'd be sobbing with regret as I said that, because as a parent, you put responsibility on yourself. "If only"s and "what if"s eat you alive. I think most would blame themselves, although it's not fair to do so, but as someone who controls the life of another, how could you not? And clearly he doesn't share that sentiment
I think the boys family wanted to visit for Christmas and they realized they didn't have a valid excuse for why the boys weren't around. That's the only reason they pretended they wandered off and reported them missing
depending on how close the oldest one was to approaching 5 years old, they might also felt pressure by the impending deadline to enroll him in kindergarten/preschool.
@@julesk3816 Orrin would have turned 5 on August 4th. Orson would have turned 4 on June 11th. I've been following the boys case from day 1. They were actually the first case I covered on my channel. I drew a picture of the boys, that the bio family used on Orsons birthday cake, and their shirts, in June. 🥺💔🥺 I believe the timing was due to Christmas. And what better day and time to report 2 small boys missing, than the shortest day of the whole year, when sunset was at 4:44pm. 🥺💔(444 is the Angel number) December 21, 2020, was winter solstice. I went into a lot of details in my almost 40 videos of coverage of this case over the last 15 months. 💙🙏🏼💙
I have personal experience with CPS regarding a similar injury. My daughter attends a small in home daycare run by a childhood friend. She has had this daycare for over 20 years with no incident. About a year a ago, one of the little boys tripped over his brother and broke the younger brother's femur. It wasn't realized right away because the baby looked fine and was already a little fussy from colic. That night the leg was swollen, so the parents took him to CHKD. CPS was called. The daycare was shut down for 4 months. The CPS worker flat out accused my friend of lying and abuse despite no history. CPS wanted me to take my child to CHKD and get a full body scan- 27 x-rays for a two-year-old. At my expense. When I refused to subject my child, who was displaying no sign of injury, to all that radiation, they threatened to remove her from my custody. I offered to take her to my pediatrician, but was told "no". I stood my ground, and in the end the daycare was allowed to reopen, but I can see how a parent with no resources could lose their child, or children, on the whim of a CPS worker. (Cue Stephanie, "The system is broken!")
My oldest fractured his leg at 2.5, during a temper tantrum. It happened early in the morning and I didn't think the fall was enough to do any real damage, but my son wasn't walking afterwards. I gave him painkillers and iced the sore leg. I even used elastic bandages to wrap his leg, but he didn't walk. When after his nap he still wouldn't walk, I took him to the hospital. Well after X-rays from his hips to his toes, and a blood test we were sent home with no answers around midnight. I was told to bring him back in the morning if he still wasn't walking. Well we were back the next day, and they did an ultrasound, more blood work and much consulting with the children's hospital, they determined that the hair fine line on the X-ray above his ankle was a fracture. I was fortunate that the sort of fracture wasn't considered suspicious, and it was determined that the area where the fracture was, was a weak point caused by the uneven way his bones were calcifying.
I have two boys on the spectrum and one was an escape artist when he was 3. I also have Crohn’s disease and sometimes would “be called” to the porcelain throne at the worst times. As a single mom, I would often leave the door to the bathroom cracked so I could keep an ear out. One day, he escaped. It was about 2-3 minutes before I realized what happened. I zoomed right off the toilet and ran outside screaming, couldn’t find him. Immediately called police and was running around the cul-de-sac screaming like a maniac. No shoes and I hadn’t even zipped my pants up. It turned out my elderly neighbor across the road had found him and taken him in. I was extremely lucky. I don’t often like to be anecdotal and of course everyone reacts differently. But that footage of the “panicked” search sealed the deal for me. That is not the behavior of someone frantically searching for their lost children. I’m not sorry I said it either.
As a fellow momma with Chrons this is one of my fears, I'm so glad your neighbor was looking out💜 you are 100% correct that the initial search was tell tale
Yes, I agree. The reaction spoke volumes. I work with pups and have never lost one thankfully but if I did, I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs and running down the entire steet looking for the fur baby!
The first thing that raised questions in my mind, was why move to a 3 bed house with six children? Especially with the age differences, the kids will need different rooms etc. I think two kids sharing is normal, but you wouldn't put a three year old in with a ten year old. So did they move away from Bakersfield, to cover the fact the boys were missing? Were people asking questions?
I though that too! How were they able to foster children when they barely had room for their own children. No home studies were done? Because not having a room for children is an easy way to fail a home study.
@@daisysmith9148 exactly. How did they get approved while living in an apartment in Bakersfield? Most apartments in Cali are not "spacious." Mine never were, and I had to pay a LOT of money for the 2 bedroom I rented years ago, circa 1995-1998 and 2003-2006. Where would all 6 kids sleep? Even if financially driven to move, there are still only 3 bedrooms. So, 3 kids to a room? It happens: bunk beds, and a twin. But it appears these sweet boys never made it to California City. I hope more comes to light soon. This case is heartbreaking. 💔
If thats all they could afford then they shouldn’t be qualified to take in two 3 year olds. Foster children don’t deserve the bottom of the barrel. These are growing children who need adequate space not shelter cats. @stephanie harlowe
@@daisysmith9148 This is California. The foster system is filled beyond the brim with children. I imagine CPS looks past (not that it's right) certain things, in order to place children.
I hope the bio mom is able to file a wrongful death civil suit, this is BS. I've heard she tried multiple times to get her kids back, she had a home, she had employment and they wouldn't call her back before they finalized adoption. If that's true, that makes this all worse.
They shouldn't have been able to adopt them if they had a parent actively trying to get themselves in order to get their kids back. That's what the foster system main goal is.
@@ColorsFlightI know that is the goal but I know someone who works in the CPS system in the county this happened, and I know they say this case in particular was not done correctly, and multiple bio family members and bio mom wanted and were trying to adopt or foster those kids. But they were given to the Wests instead. It was a complete failure of the system
“Rambunctious” WTH? They are little boys! 3 and 4 years old! They are SUPPOSED to be rambunctious!! My deepest sympathy to the bio parents and family. There’s something entirely WRONG about how these young children were removed from their home, fostered by these weirdos and ADOPTED within one year??? That does not make sense. Something is very wrong with that.
@@breahnaxoxo6658 exactly! You’d have to really crowd those kids into a 3 bedroom home when they moved. I only take on what I can financially handle. None of my business, but I believe they needed more space and were desperate. California City isn’t super expensive, lol
I think Christmas was coming up and they couldn't hide that the boys were missing from extended family anymore. AND figured people would be too distracted by holidays to pay attention they way they did. They underestimated other people's empathy. RIP Classic and Cinsere I feel so awful for the bio mom...
Am I the only one who thinks it's REALLY strange that they legally changed their names? I've never heard of foster/adoptive parents doing that. That is SUPER weird to me...
I went to school with a girl who was adopted in fourth grade, and they changed her first and last name. After we graduated high school, she moved out and separated herself from her adoptive family, although she still kept her new name. I know it happens, but I do think it’s strange.
@Kaeti Spannbauer I'm adopted and my new parents gave us the offer to change our names if we wanted to (had to go through the last name change process anyways). It's unusual, but there could be valid reasons (like if the bio parents are dangerous).
@@kaetispannbauer9082 super weird to me too, I was adopted out of foster care at 2/3 and my momma didn't change my first or middle name. The party of the interview where he said " we named them, their our children" ughh
This hit me really hard. Almost to the point of tears. I'm a single father of a three-year-old. I'm 42 I just retired out of the military so I spend all my time with my son. And one of the things we love to do is go for a walk down to City Park and get our sidewalk chalk out. I'm an actual muralist with sidewalk chalk. I'm amazing at it I'll toot my own horn. And we'll go to City Park and all the kids gather around and and watch me make these huge chalk murals of the avengers of the Ninja turtles of Disney movies. And my son is just so proud of me he stands there and watches me and then when I need something just shaded in he'll take a piece of chalk and go color it in, and I love how all the kids just see mystified buy something so simple is sidewalk chalk. I can't imagine if I lost my son not for a second not for a minute. Never he's my air he's my oxygen. If I didn't have him I truly think I just wither up and die. I'll never understand how people do this
I feel you! A few years ago (in my old apartment complex) my 2 boys went to a friend's apartment to play video games without my permission. I told them they could play outside til time for us to go. I went outside to get them. Called their names and didn't see them anywhere. Talk about panic. I felt my heart drop to my stomach and I went into maniac mode and started knocking on EVERY door in the complex. Worst feeling in my life. I hugged and got on to them when I found them at their friends lol
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! My jaw literally dropped when you started talking about the other set of boys who were placed with the Wests. WTF?? 😳😩😔🥺 Where are these sweet boys at??? 😔
As a former foster mom, and adoptive parent of a former foster child, this type of story kills me. This breaks the hearts of every good and decent foster family.
Hi! I’m currently in nursing school, and I’ve learned that a “twisted fracture” (also called a spiral fracture) is normally caused by abuse, such as the adult twisting the arm or leg as a form of abuse/punishment. So if a kid were to come in with a twisted fracture, CPS would normally be contacted.
@@ttjotracy8315 Sure it does. All the fools claiming they should have been with the mother. Besides abuse, she didn't comply with the court's orders regarding drug testing. Secondly, the bio "father" voluntarily relinquished his rights. FACTS actually matter, stop blaming CPS for the bad and abusive parenting of the bio parents.
@@krazyk8592 Well I don't think I'm blaming anyone in my statement, first of all Secondly, what does any of that have to do with being murdered? it's no different than saying if you didn't dress that way you wouldn't have been raped"? its victim-blaming. it's 2022 we should know better than to engage with archaic thinking.
@@krazyk8592 yeah but anything the bio parents did is irrelevant to the choices the adoptive parents made. CPS made the choice to place them with that specific adoptive family, and that also had absolutely nothing to do with the bio parents
Femur breaks are one thing but a spiral fracture of the femur is a different type of femur fracture. It’s difficult to produce the twisting force in an accidental injury but is seen mostly in non-accidental trauma. It’s extremely common in child abuse injuries. There may have been other child abuse related injuries found on the boys as well. We just don’t know without seeing the medical records and CPS notes. In the state I live it’s very difficult to have your children removed and adopted out. There has to be major issues/injuries happening. Btw I’m a nurse.
I was thinking the same...I know so many children who were left in/quickly returned to homes they should have never been allowed to be in...and there are very few ways a spiral fracture can occur without abuse being a factor
There was a channel that showed CPS paperwork months ago. There were no other injuries on Cinsere. He was at the sitter when it happened. It also had been confirmed by Chief Jon Walker it was an ruled an accident.
I also don’t understand how they were adopted if the parents were doing all they could to get the kids out of foster care…I think there is definitely more than what’s being presented by the parents. Why wouldn’t the police gone after the sitter? Also, why didn’t the biological parents notice their babies were even missing for months? No phone calls or visits for months?
Agreed, they would not just take a child away from a parent based on one singular event of a questionable injury. They might look into the case for sure. But unfortunately the opposite is much more likely to happen in an overloaded system, that a probable abuse case flies under the radar. The best example are these two poor boys who were apparently dead for 3 months before anyone noticed a thing. And even at this point, their disappearance was falsely reported by the abusers themselves.
I remember when this case first broke, one thing I found extremely strange was the fact that there were NO pics of the little boys released other than the ones on the missing fliers. The pics you posted of them in their car seats are the only other pics I've seen of them (other than a couple with the "parents"). I don't have children, but I have a dog and my phone is literally FILLED with hundreds of pics of him! Sooooo where are all the pics of the Classic and Cincere??? These "parents" never deserved to have these two babies. Unbelievable!
Thank you for respecting their family and referring to them as their true, real, birth names. I adopted a kitten who already had a name and couldn’t bring myself to change his name so why would they do that?! It’s not even like they were newborns, at their ages I’m sure they knew what their names were. I can’t believe how sick and evil this pair of “humans” could be. RIP Classic🤎 and Cincere🤎
@@abcdefgg2gbye876 Our little beloved Chihuahua ( who we took in after neighbors who were mistreating her gave her up to us ) came with the name Pumpkin. At first we considered a new change cause we weren't crazy about the name. Very quickly I decided that no way! She knew & understood that her name was Pumpkin. There was no reason to mix her up or confuse her. Her name was part of her identity. So, Pumpkin was it! 🎃 We adored her & miss her terribly. AND we came to love her name because we loved her so much.
My mom and I had a complicated, toxic, abusive relationship. She was an addict and a sex worker and I couldn’t deal with it all anymore, so, I cut ties. No contact. Three years later, she went missing. A couple teenagers found her body a week later. That week was hell beyond words. Even though I resented her, kind of hated her, felt victimized by her, her being missing was the worst thing I’ve ever been through. When someone who is that close is just gone without a word, even when the relationship is tough, it hurts. It hurts so bad there’s no way to explain it. That hurt changes your soul. The bio mom has that hurt. It’s visible. The adoptive parents- there’s no fear, no panic. They’re not bargaining with god or any kidnapper. They don’t have that sense of panic about where those kids are.
Thanks for all the kind words. I’m doing as good as anyone can in this situation, I can only send my best thought to the mother of those two boys. Her hurt is beyond measure.
So sorry for ur loss and all that u went through. May God bless and keep and I agree with you about these foster parents. Like they didn't even try to fake that they care. Sad sad sad.
The system is so broken. How did these two even make it through the adoption process. I’ve known couples, great people, that literally had to go through hell to adopt. My heart absolutely breaks for those two little boys, and I hope justice will be served for them. 🙏🙏💔💔
@@wendywarrior2264 Stephanie said in the very beginning of the video that the birth mother lost custody due to some kind of physical altercation with another family member.
Exactly! They obviously don't have the financial resources or the brain power to parent six children - yet the state of California thought, twice, that it was a good idea to drop a couple more kids on them. What the hell?
I freak out when my son finds a hiding spot that's really good during hide and seek IN OUR HOUSE! (There is also tragic hide and seek stories) so how the hell was she okay with letting super young kids play outside in the dark and cold alone? I don't think those babies were ever there at the house if neighbors never knew they "lived" there.
I agree with you. However, their "story" was not that the kids were out there alone in the dark and cold. It wasn't dark yet, and they say the guy was out there with them but went inside for a min to bring wood in. Also, I lived about an hour from there for most my life. And even in December, it doesn't get "cold" not cold enough to harm the kids. But... I still don't think they were ever at that house. They were murdered at the hold house in Bakersfield in my opinion!
Yeah, that's the thing as well. The neighbours said that they never saw children living there. They didn't hear them, see them, notice them... Usually, if kids are living somewhere, people notice.
One of the few facts LE gave us is that they were definitely missing for months. I hope one of them tells where they are. I pray they didn't dispose them like trash and in a dump somewhere.
Omg my mom always tells me the story of my dad teaching me how to play hide and seek when I was a toddler. We'd play around the house with my bro and cousins. He taught me to be very quiet no matter what - because the seeker would be calling my name as they looked lol. Weeeellllll I decided to show off my new 'skill' at the department store with my mom. I hid in one of those circle clothing racks and did everything my dad told me to do. My mom just about had a heart attack 😭. Took her, the manager, and some other customers 15 mins to find me! She said I wad so proud of myself lol
The boys were supposedly playing with chalk. Does anybody ever mention there actually being fresh chalk drawings there? I don't think there were any. That's pretty incriminating.
Plus how can they be drawing pictures with chalk on the concrete if it's dark outside? I mean sure it's not impossible but why would you? I've never seen anyone drawing with chalk in the dark at night.
I feel so bad for the bio mom. She clearly was having a hard time in life but still cared and loved her children so much and wanted to be in their lives.
@Kay Angel Yes, not one but 2. And, they engaged their younger children to harm these beautiful boys. How in the world did the adoptive mother not have any feelings to allow this, did she not think what if some did that to my bio kids. They are beyond evil and it’s very clear to me they were fostering/adopting for the money
She had to stop using weed to regain custody. That’s it. She said she needed it for medical use & chose that over her kids. No idea why the dad didn’t try for custody. I’m sympathetic to the bio family’s pain to a point but they failed these children too.
I kept having to take breaks watching this. Orrin and Orson did nothing to deserve the lives they were given. It fills me with so much terror, and rage, and sadness; because as a mother myself I cannot fathom any situation where my actions would lead to something this awful. You did incredible work, as always, giving these boys a voice and doing the research this case deserved.
My son is 4 and for the first time he went out the front door while I was in the bathroom. He want straight to our neighbors house but it gave me a heart attack. I was screaming for him immediately. Yeah the neighborhood knew right the fuck away I was looking for him.
The fact that one of the ladies searching for the boys was crying and the adoptive “parents” weren’t, says a lot to me. Those precious little boys deserved so much better. I truly hope that the other little boys are safe and that their mom hears from them. 😞
I have a feeling they know the timeline of death based on what the other children must have said. I’m sure they questioned the other 4 and got tons of info.
The list of offenses on the arrest warrants included one that had to do with involving a minor in a crime. I'm guessing the parents either made the children assist in the clean up or the cover up.
I was thinking the same thing. The oldest child was 9, I believe. Kids that age are extremely observant & by that age they can recognize when their parents are doing something bad. They understand what fear & abuse are too. It explains why the kids were not placed with the adoptive grandmother. Hopefully the other kids weren't abused & aren't too traumatized by everything. 😥
@@StephanieHarlowe absolutely! I saw what you saw! We all did, BUT I chose to reserve judgment for a while, till I was sure that the facts pointed that way. Honestly, I was just hoping and praying that it wasn't another parent hurting their own children. I'm over it!
I appreciate that Stephanie always makes sure she's providing the most accurate and complete story as possible. It bothers me when RUclipsrs jump the gun and report unverified facts and speculation, even if they are open about everything being speculation
I watch ALOT of true crime content. I work in a field that's social services adjacent. Typically, I can hear difficult cases and be OK but this case struck a cord for some reason. I think the fact that these two changed these little one's names is what kicked off my discomfort with them. There is something profoundly sad about children being removed from their parents and suffering as a result....sigh.
I agree, there is an old saying, "don't trust anyone who changes their name, or has short thumbs," one of those old wives tales you know but it sure made sense for these two people should mean don't trust them, thats all I can think of, and those names were cool. I like them personally. My pets have always had unusual names, Ocean, Gabriel, Lucy was a normal name, Bishop, Saint, Ember, Zeus, Halo, Newt, September, Xuan Wu the turtle, just to name a few, there is nothing wrong with being Unique. I don't have kids thus all the pets over the years.
More often than not, adoptees are traumatized just from the process of adoption alone. Being removed from their family, so on top of that to erase their name .. just feels extra terrible. Feels like they really tried to erase everything they came from, everything they were. which is so unfair to them. stories like these are too common, it’s really heart breaking. glad people like you are working in those fields, people who can see the issues going on
Not to defend them AT ALL, because I know they did it and are evil BUT… sometimes, even a child’s NAME can be traumatizing! It can bring back memories of their past and it can be beneficial to change their name as a fresh start. Also it can be done to PROTECT them from their biological family if their biological family poses a risk to the kids. Again, not in this case but sometimes changing a child’s name during adoption is in the best interest of the child!
To give perspective on what the grandmother said; A LOT of older black folks turn to religion to mentally cope with trauma in their life. Older black people (especially women) have seen and been through a lot. My great grandma was born in the year 1925 that’s nearly 100 years ago, she would probably say the same thing and it’s not because she’s trying to be insensitive but it’s how older black people have had to cope with the horrors of life. Her mother was a slave and there’s no justice in that, it’s not like there was mental health resources back then, so of course they turn to God to help deal with their issues to stay sane. Hope people can understand that.
@@HadenBlake I’ve been raised Christian and I’m definitely not that. But I also personally believe there’s A higher power. Not sure who/what it is but I think someone upstairs is running the show. Ultimately I’m into too much history and science to be a Christian lol
@@scottcharney1091 I really can’t believe there’s people who still don’t know that slavery went on for years after slavery was legally abolished, especially in the Deep South. Sir, there’s black folks who were enslaved/underpaid up until the 1930’s. I feel like there’s many resources available to research this before you go and question the validity of someone’s story, even the movie The Help shows the state of black America in the early 1900’s. Just for reference, this is why so many black families are disadvantaged or poor to this day, because their families were devastated by slavery for decades after it happened. This isn’t meant to be an attack, the American school system really fails to inform people properly of this, more so just annoyed.
My grandmother(mom's mom) was born in 1929. We're blessed to still have her and she is sassy as ever ❤️ She lost her mom when she was 2 years old but yes them older folks have some stories.
I'm an hour away from Bakersfield and it has been devastating for the community. People have been extremely invested in finding the boys and when they announced that the boys were deceased it was absolutely heartbreaking.
I really pray that Classic and Cinsere get justice. I also pray that Madgenia gets some piece of mind regarding the safety of her children. It's all so tragic.
Thank you for covering Classic and Cincere!! I'm hoping so badly someone flips so the boys can be laid to rest and their family can get some sense of closure. Then I hope they throw the book at the responsible party/parties. Shame on the Wests for not providing a loving and caring home for these boys, and shame on the state for not thoroughly investigating their true welfare before placing them with someone other than family. Horribly tragic all around.
Thank you for using their true names. As an adoptee myself I find it so fucked up that adopters can change a kid's name just because they want to. We're humans not dogs ffs. My adopters changed my name also. I changed it back to my true name when I got married. Best decision I've ever made. At some point in life I will also be adopted back by mother so that my birth certificate shows my actual biology and not the people who purchased me. Another fucked up abuse inherent to adoption. A BIRTH certificate is altered to show the names of people who had nothing to do with the child's birth.
I find it very upsetting that their names were changed by their adoptive parents. As humans, our names are so important to us! They often reflect our heritage, and become a huge part of our identity. At a very early age we learn to respond to them. It’s so weird to change their names, I feel like it really says a lot about the adoptive parents.
That's so true, my mum is adopted, they changed her name but always told her she was adopted - so why did they change her name ? Both adoptive parents died young. Her biological mum was 14 years old as we learned from the birth certificate. Mum was born 1961.her biological father was not named on the birth certification. Why did my mother's biological parents give her up for adoption ? The biological mother is dead now too. She was dead in 2017. The biological father ? I wonder what happened ? I'd love to know for good or ill .
@@missmaex3 I didn't find out until later in life that my dad wasn't my biological father and had instead adopted me ... but my birth certificate was changed to show his last name and him listed as the father. I always thought it was strange you could just have those records changed like that. I wouldn't mind an addendum to show the adoption, but that doesn't sit right with me even though he's a fantastic dad and I love him dearly.
As a former California foster kid...it's pretty hard for parents to lose all their rights so the kids can be adopted out. My bio mother allowed men to do things to me for drugs as a child and she was able to get us back multiple times. I think there's more to the story of the bio mother. But I think those adopted parents got in way over there head with that many kids and lost their shit and killed them. Those poor babies. I bet their whole lives were nothing but hell. I hope the foster care system one day gets their shit together
Omg Stephanie, your relationship with your husband is gorgeous. That is what love looks like. Where I would normally jump ahead of the sponsorship part, I actually look to see if it's one where you two are both involved, and I stick around to see that love, friendship & joy; the world needs so, so much more of that. Thanks for sharing it with all of us. 🥰
I've always wondered if they have asked the other children when was the last time they saw the two little boys.. I feel like that would be really interesting to hear what the kids have said, but maybe that's what they are keeping quiet now. Hopefully we find out what has happened to these beautiful little boys🤍
The info released by the DA indicates that these monsters may have forced the older boys to be involved in this crime - and then threatened them. :( I'm terrified to hear more details at trial!
I’ve watched a few creators talk about this. One had a defence attorney on just after these two were arrested and he said that’s how they knew the boys had died (the kids talked when they were removed) and he also claimed that the kids had participated in the abuse of the boys and were possibly involved in their death. I’m not sure how he knew that though because I’ve not heard it mentioned anywhere else.
I was thinking the same. The other kids have to know something!! Other comments saying the other children could have been involved, … I can’t even think about it 😓
@@StephanieHarlowe and what day did they go to grandmas? must have been approx 3 months before they were reported missing right? Unless they saw G ma only once in the 3 months prior? As well in the interview they asked the foster dad where the rest of the kids were he said on vacation with Gma? so which is it. ?
Thank you SO MUCH for covering this case! These precious boys need to be found & Justice has to be served. They, as so many "missing" children like Summer Wells NEED their names out there. We can't forget them. I absolutely love your style of telling their stories.
The person that screwed the poster saying "where are they boys" is a genious...if they take the poster down it looks terrible and makes no sense if they are innocent..if they sont take it down it's a reminder to everyone involved and any filming that foul play is suspected and the community is shifting blame towards them...you get action and anwsers in situations like this by putting suspects between a rock and a hard place and damn did the guy that put that up do this..absoulty briliant!
I mini panik when my children come down a little late from school. People who've never seen these kids were more concerned about them than the "parents"
It's so heartwarming how California City residents keep saying "our boys," even though many of us suspected the boys never made it to California City. Classic & Cincere mattered.
"I can't sleep, I can't get any peace. These are my boys. These are *our* boys. Our California City Boys are missing and we want to know where they're at." It's comforting to know that this community really pushed for answers when their own adoptive 'parents' never even bothered to do anything but defend themselves rather than do everything they can to find their boys. I have been saying this a lot recently but I believe it to ring true; *every child deserves a parent, not every 'parent' deserves a child.*
Exactly. You don't have two very young children outside with no one watching them just for wrapping gifts and the older kids were in the house....... It makes zero sense. There's no way they vanished that quick like the dad claims.
I also saw a interview where the relator was talking about his conversation with Trezell. He said he asked Trezell how many kids they had. He said “we have 4, two of them are adopted” he also said he made most of his money from beats he made. He sold them online. I instantly thought they were guilty when Trezell said Chris Watts famous line “we just want them back”
When I was a baby, my sister tripped and accidentally dropped me down the stairs. Ever the stoic baby, I did not cry. Nobody realized my leg was broken until my dad (an MD) came home. He asked why is she dragging her leg while crawling? Of course, this was during the Wild West 1970s LOL.
I had a similar incident when I have 4 I stuck my arm in one of those big tide bottles and it fell and pulled my shoulder out of my socket. I didn’t cry I just stood in a corner. They didn’t know something was wrong until my arm looks a bit lower than the other. The nurse questioned my mom about child abuse thankfully I wasn’t taken away. This was in 2007
@Iam Whoiam Yes, when I was a kid I would get clothes and some toys for Christmas. The clothes would be "OK" but it was the toys and candy that the kids really want !!
Do you watch Crime Weekly?? Her and Derrick are an awesome combo and they've been posting videos on that channel.. Sure missed coffee and crime but Crime Weekly gives the Stephanie Harlowe fix!
I just subbed to Both last week. Kim Wads talked about it and here I am. I have been binging for an entire week as I am laid up in surgery. That said I fostered for 10 years.. They “ adopted “ these kids how is that possible? In my state MA you don’t get anything. We did not do it for the money . $50 a day. I can’t wrap my head around why they did this to those children. I blame the broken system that takes kids from homes they should be in and sends the children back to the abuser …. I pray for those sweet boys and everyone who loved them
This is an extremely sad case, If they were able to hide the kids' death for that long I wonder how many other children have been murdered that just no one knows about
@@jalisaalanaye1662 I do the same thing...I think about what goes on behind closed doors constantly. Especially when it comes to children, it's so sad to think that every minute someone is being hurt or abused, it's sickening.
The fact that there’s another set of parents who said their 2 boys were also placed with the West family and are still missing is proof the system is beyond broken. Missing for 5 years?!? Why couldn’t they get info on where their children are?
I’m only half way through the video but inside I’m SCREAMING “check their old house!!!!!!” They may have done something to them before they even moved. I hope 🤞🏼 they check it
This case enrages me on soooo many levels. But I'm appalled at the fact that it is so easy over there to take kids away from their bio enlarged families and give them up to foster care and adoption in such a small amount of time. I live in Italy. Believe me it takes YEARS, up to 6 or 7 to adopt a child and adopting families have to go through such extensive examination before they are even considered eligible. People who have got stable jobs, a good housing and that are willing to put themselves under the radar just to have the opportunity to give a child a caring loving family. I can't believe they let these 2 little boys down like that. And I can't imagine how the bio mother must be felling right now. It's outraging.
The adoption process is faster in foster care, but imo it was normal to take away the two boys from the bio family. A spiral fracture doesn’t happen naturally, and the fact that they didn’t notice his disappearance for months speaks volumes.
@@mrs.anderson1519 Not really. Most doctors who examine someone especially women and children with a spiral fracture suspect abuse and rightfully so, because spiral fractures are NOT easy to get by accident, especially for children. Your “friend” either doesn’t exist, lied about how he got it, or is one of the very, very few people who somehow sustain a spiral fracture by accident.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I believed these kids were trafficked, and it goes much higher. Why would they chose to put the kids in these people's custody. I think it's weird how fast they were allowed to be adopted and how they were even allowed to take the kids. I think that agency is totally criminal, again people do not understand how high child trafficking goes. It's obvious they moved from Bakerfield is because no one would realize they had kids. Now we have another family who seems to have been adopted out to the same family and no one knows where these kids are. WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM. ITS HARDER TO ADOPT A RESCUE DOG. This might not be your cup of tea, but I liked to check sloan bellas reading, and she happened to do one on these kids. She knew they didn't leave Bakersfield I think I'm going to go back and listen to it.
in AZ at least, you can get money after adoption. adoption stipends can be received until kids turn 18 and includes govt insurance and $ to adoptive parents
Accidentally killing one child, I could buy. Accidentally killing two children, who are also the only two biological brothers? I don't know how you could possibly spin that to be an accident.
Well, OBVIOUSLY, they COULDN'T spin it to be an accident, which is why they came up with the ridiculous theory of them being abducted. The theory was disproven by police within 12 hours and had backhoes at the property within 48 hours. They knew the kids were dead, it just took a long time to put all the puzzle pieces together to legally charge them for it. A lot of witnesses and circumstantial evidence and timelines had to be put together.
@@krazyk8592 I think they finally came forward and reported the kids 'missing/abducted' on Dec 21, because they knew that Christmas being around the corner, the jig was up. The biological parents, grandparents, and their own biological kids' grandparents would question why the other two children weren't with them on Christmas. Busted.
Maybe they drugged them because they were so "rambunctious" and overdosed them to death... it's the only way I could think of how they "accidentally" killed them both.
That interview and the way they’re talking about what happened strikes me as odd. The way they’re so calm and collected. I don’t even think I could do an interview right after my child just went missing. I wouldn’t be able to calm down long enough to do that. I’d be out screaming for my boy
Let me just say, that I have huskies. And sometimes, one gets out. I am WAY more panicked about a missing dog than these parents are about 2 missing toddlers. I think we all know that something very, very bad happened to those kids, and I hope they get the justice they deserve.
If my kid was missing and the cops told me to “stay put” I’d just be like .. “Look, you can kiss my ass.. my husband can stay here but I’m going out and turning over every stone looking for my babies” And I’ve wrapped gifts with my little ones in the room with me. They don’t even understand fully what I’m doing so..
I told my husband the same thing listening to this. I was like “ you can stay here, but I’m knocking on every neighbors door with a shot gun cause I’d be convinced it’s one of them!” I’m with Stephanie with burning shit down if CPS tried to take my babies, they’d have to put me in jail or kill me!
My grandparents, who fostered and adopted me in the state of California, didn't need the money from the state, so they put it in a savings account for me. I have no idea how much money is in there. They told me about it a handful of times, but I have no clue how or when they will give me access to it. I'm 22 lol
I appreciate your effort in making sure the information you're providing is as accurate, reliable, and relevant as possible, even if it means delaying the content a little. Its one of the many reasons I love your videos so much. Its so easy to believe what you see online at face value, and I know when I hear it from you I actually can trust it. You're doing a good thing
My daughter broke her femur at 3. It was a twisting injury. She was running in a camp ground on a hill and tripped on an exposed tree root. It held her foot and her leg broke. I was questioned for child abuse. She wasn’t even in my care at the time. My mom had her camping. I got the call at work and was met by cops at the hospital.
I see that many in the comments says that twist injuries are always because of abuse. People like you and I knows for a fact that ain't true. My sons foot got stuck in the crib and he fell and his own weight broke his femur and twisted it. It's absolutely heart breaking being accused of hurting your own child.
I truly believe that if every suspicious injury,accident or not, was investigated stuff like this would happen way less and innocent children wouldn’t be murdered.
Does anyone else feel like it's crazy that they changed these babies names?? I don't even change a dog's name when I've adopted them. I could understand if it was to protect them if someone were looking for them or if they were older and decided on their own to change their names.
I don’t think it’s that weird at such young ages. Honestly their birth names were very odd- as someone with an uncommon first name it’s not cool to name your kid really out there. I HATED it as a kid because I always had to correct people and people assumed I was a particular race (I wasn’t) based on my name and bias and racism is real.
No, it's entirely normal at that young age, part of a fresh start. It's weird you think it's weird. And, as for animals, literally the first thing I change is their usually stupid shelter name.
It wasn't until I was older that I realized my step-dad's fear about CPS taking me and my brother away after we had a string of accidents in a short period of time. My brother broke his arm when he tripped and fell on the sidewalk, and then I fell (at school) and broke mine about 3 weeks later. About a week after my brother's cast came off, he was rollerblading in the house for some reason, fell, and broke his OTHER arm. We didn't know yet that he had a digestive issue that impacted his absorption of nutrients/bone strength. Hearing stories like this, I completely understand why he was worried!
My husband and I were foster parents for 7 years. All I can say is out of all the kids that we had, the biological parents were never guilty of any wrongdoing and the extended family was always perfectly able to take care of children. Sarcasm. The government doesn’t want your kids. In our experience the children were taken from horrible circumstances and never just one possible “accident “.
That was my thoughts too, the parents know their kids' files are sealed and redacted so they can say whatever they want. Maybe the broken leg shed light on the boys' living conditions that were not acceptable but then how was she able to keep her older kids? Nothing in this case makes sense.
I understand what you are saying but then why wasnt the other 2 children also taken from the bio mother. She said she has 2 other kids so it seems very strange that the other 2 werent taken.
This heart breaking case is yet another example of a broken system..from the West couple to the Hart couple I really feel that there are some vetting issues in the foster care process that seem to effect the black or brown community more than others.
Exactly. Seems like these people make adopting children their business. Their income. It has nothing to do with wanting to help children. It's all about the money and looking like altruistic saints. It makes me so angry and sad.
@@laur131306 As an adoptee (through an agency not the foster system), I agree. Something else worth noting- states receive $40 million for adopting out more kids in the current year than in the previous year. This can be a major incentive for children to be taken from homes. Between that, morbidly under staffed social services, prejudices in enforcement and legal systems, predators who take advantage of the vulnerable... It *can* be an ugly system.
Hart...I must have missed that one... There's another case in Hawaii that got little to no coverage. The little girl's name was Isabella (forgot the last name) whose adoptive parents were arrested a couple months or so after they reported her missing. Partially also because her siblings talked... I wonder if she has been found by now, have to look for an update. My heart breaks for these poor children 💔😥
@@Galaxie08 the Hart story is sickening. They adopted a bunch of kids for the money and mostly appearances and abused them severely. When the state was finally catching up to them, the moms drugged the children with benadryl and drove them all off of a cliff killing them all. 😞
Since when does CPS take away parents rights altogether and allow children to be adopted from one incident? How many times other kids have been allowed to go back into horrific conditions but these boys get taken forever from one incident? WHAT?!
They don't. The goal of the foster system is always reunification whenever possible. Most children in foster care are NOT eligible for adoption. These poor boys were taken from one awful situation and put into an even worse one.
@@cassie1264 all they talk about is the one incident that supposedly had nothing to do with the parents though. Seems crazy to me if that’s true that they could be allowed to be adopted.
I think there is more to the story. The biological parents may be lying. CPS give parents more than enough leeway (often too much) and more than enough time (like 2-3 years) to prove that they are suitable parents. I was in foster care. My bio dad INSISTS he did nothing wrong, but I remember otherwise. Not to say there aren't abusive people in the foster system either
I've been questioned by cps in the hospital with the first major fracture my daughter had while they were waiting for the test to come back saying whether or not she had Osteoimperfecta. It still makes you nervous when you know you didn't abuse your child because they have the say in whether or not you get to take your child home. Even when there are no signs of abuse. I can't imagine how horrible the boy's mother feels. I would be so enraged that my babies were given to strangers and the find out that they died. This is just horrific.
I came for the true crime and was blessed with Stephanie and her hubby having a great time in the kitchen! I needed that happiness more than you know 💜
And yet she managed to have them taken from her. None of this would've happened had she not abused her sons. It is that simple. People need to stop with all this nonsense about her doing nothing wrong. It started with the boy's biological parents...they failed as parents. They should've protected their sons not abused them. I doubt very much that CPS just goes around pulling kids out of homes for no reason.
Nonsense? If the information we have been given was accurate, she was literally not home when her son was injured, she was at work and the kids were with a babysitter. And yes, there have been many horror stories of child services not investigating properly or just flat out not believing the parents and taking kids away for minor things (in fact, someone here in the comments below wrote her own story of her kid being taken for no good reason). Of course the public doesn't know the whole story and we don't know the bio parents personally enough to know how honest they are, but it's not impossible for what they say to be true.
J~what a rude uneducated & disheartening comment! Let’s face the facts. The boys were no longer in the custody of the bio parents. They were adopted & those ADOPTIVE parents are the ones in jail being held without bond. Held on charges of MURDER. This is their fault at this point in time. NOT the bio family! No matter what reason the kids were removed gives any justification for murder of the boys! If you read more about this story you would know better of why they were removed. Not just your 2 minutes of skimming through their situation. Wherearetheboys?!💙💙
@@JenNoRun I'm well aware of the situation....watched the video and paid very close attention, unlike you. I'm also aware that you have not read the CPS file on the mom. It sounds like you don't have children so that may be why you can't understand that it's a mother's job to protect her child at all costs. I get it...being responsible doesn't come easy for some people. You have your opinion and I have mine. Name-calling only shows me that you can't control yourself...something you and all the parents in this situation have in common.
November 16, 2024: As a Nana this is so sad. How could these precious boys be harmed and now deceased. Please continue to follow the trial Stephanie you bring such detail to any case. What happen to provoke not one but two littles to be taken out of this world. I pray for these littles and their birth Mom. Once again CPS has it wrong. I realize they are overwhelmened but please protect the innocent.
My heart is so broken for the mother .. basically loosing them twice! Sending her love and strength!! Fly high baby boys!! Warning sign #1 was them two monsters changing the boys names .. who does that!? ❤️🙏
@@TurkeyFarmerGirl . If the state tells me they will literally adopt out my two babies if I fail a drug screen and pot is on that screen - you better know DAMN well I’m not even being in the same ROOM with weed. Hell, if they put coffee on that screen….anything! I don’t care where pot is or is not legal. She KNEW failed screens would result in the loss of her CHILDREN.
Literallyyyyyy I have 2 sisters and a niece and nephew whom went through the adoption process with a very special woman SUE (whom is now passed 😭)! BUT THIS PROCESS WAS LONNNNGGGGGG AND HARD AND COST A TON OF MONEY
This case is just... devastating. Such precious little boys. Why adopt at all, or foster, if you don't feel love for children and want to protect and cherish them? Heartbreaking! And I am so happy you enjoyed your break! You've definitely earned that! Take time any time you need to, Stephanie. We love you!
They do it for money 💰 I used to work for National Grid and heard some dispicable things from foster parents on the phone. Talking about having to get more foster kids to pay the gas bill!!!!! ☹️😢🙆♀️🤢😭😭RIP Sincere and Classic 💕💕❣️❤️ 🙏🙏
Swear I feel at home watching your videos. Like going to Sunday dinner at Nonnas but instead it’s like you’re my aunt and you have all the wisdom. Much love!!
Before I start the video, I just wanted to say that I’m glad you’re covering this case. I live in Bakersfield, Kern County….this case has been heartbreaking for everyone here. Orin and Orsens birth names are Cincere and Classic. I’m horrified that they were missing three months before being reported missing. The Mojave desert surrounding California City is huge and vast. If they were put there, there’s no telling where they are.
Absolutely it is tragic. I’m in Bakersfield as well & been following this from the beginning. I was really hoping for a better outcome. I do hope they find their bodies still 🙏🏼
I grew up with a girl in my neighborhood who lived with foster parents. They were horrible people. So much abuse and neglect. They did it for the paychecks. It definitely does happen - and it happens a lot more than you think.
I read that California City (100 miles from L.A.), was slated to be a Utopian community. A real estate investor bought up 82,000 acres, with the potential for Medicine, Commerce & Industry. That never panned out. Even though it is California's 3rd largest city, it is largely abandoned.
The other gap in their lies is that there is a “beware of the dog” sign. So if they have a dog wouldn’t it have been outside with the boys and Trezell and why wouldn’t it have gone out of the gate with the boys as well? When this goes to trial I have a horrible feeling that it is going to be horrific.
I read somewhere that “Chok” is actually the name of their dog and what the parents were referring to when they said they were out in the back playing with Chok. I was thinking the same thing, that would make it even more suspicious from the start of that were the case. 🤔
Actually I have heard that Chalk was the name of the dog and that the boys were playing with However since not many actual details have been released, I am not sure if that is accurate. It would explain why there were no chalk drawings on the patio.
@@youtubeplayer8173 thank you for clarifying that! I wasn’t sure if it was true or not! I find it interesting that when the Wests were interviewed, they kept that vague. They just said the boys were playing with Choc/chalk. They didn’t say the boys were playing with their dog Choc or the boys were making chalk drawings. Left it open to interpretation for sure!
@@foxymama2003surely I'm not on West's side, though I don't see that interview the way most do..it was edited to enhance bias as media does..I have seen the original version.. body language/most statements some scream red flag guilty can be explained, imo. They did respond more clearly to questions in order in uncut interview..bio fam was surrounding them all screaming at once while trying interview, West's were answering more of their questions not always interviewers, as we were led to see..West's had answered same questions multiple times so answers became shortened including the "choc" situation...ppl only assumed "chalk" then started reporting/spreading "sidewalk chalk" when that was never said..and boom misinformation spread like wildfire, on n on it goes.. bio fam lost kids for a reason too..unfortunately those beautiful boys didn't seem have a chance...I hope they can soon be found and properly laid to rest
Stephanie I can relate to your story about your son and his broken leg. I also put my daughter to bed with a broken leg when she was 5. She didn’t act like her leg was broken. So I thought she would be fine in the morning. She is 23 now but I still feel awful
As a child that aged out of Tn foster care I can confirm the system is broken, DHS is 50/50 you're lucky to get a good case worker and good family. I pray these people If 100 percent guilty serve life and rot. Those boys shouldn't have been taken from their biological family!
In early 2020 (before the world fell apart), my then almost 6 year old daughter was playing at church when another boy fell on her. She cried for a while and then went about her day as normal. By Wednesday, she was playing outside and suddenly she screamed bloody murder. She was crying inconsolable about her arm being sore. It was the first time since the Sunday, so Sadly I didn't take her too seriously at first 🙈 but later that afternoon I couldn't take her whining anymore so we went to the ER. The doc there did an exam, asked her to lift her arm, which she did, told me nothing was broken or bruised, and since there would have been a lot of bruising if it was broken, it is probably just sprained. Took her home. Thursday she had a grandma and grandpa day at school where they did a sing and dance show for the grandparents. Both my mom and mom in law are nurses and have been for over 20 years, they took videos of her laughing, pulling faces and lifting that arm to dance. Friday morning she was in tears, begging me to take her back to the doc as the arm was just too sore. This time I took her to our general gp, he barely touched her and she recoiled, he turned around and told me he suspects her collar bone is broken. Sent us of for xrays. Called everyone and told them, and LITTERALLY EVERYONE said they didn't think anything was broken and we were just waisting our time. I went a head with the xrays tho, and and hour later as we are sitting in the docs office, he looks at my kid just laughing and chatting away, and says "if I didn't have the xrays in front of me, I wouldn't have believed it myself. Her collar bone is broken and is already showing signs of healing, so it has probably been broken since Sunday". I heard later that the collar bone is one of the hardest bones in the body to break. Imagine if they had decided that was enough reason to come take my kid? Parents make mistakes! We are not trained medical professionals. Sometimes we miss stuff. I felt like shit for months after!!
Parents do make mistakes. I’m guessing we are missing some info that hasn’t been revealed yet. Do you know of anyone having their child taken away because of a broken bone in an accident? Then after that being adopted out to foster parents? Not another parent? Not another relative? It doesn’t make sense.
@@jmac6350 I agree, that certainly is suspicious. I was more referring to Stephanie telling about her own sons accident. I saw another comment where a nurse mentioned that the twist in the fracture is actually was is really suspicious as that rarely happens by accident.
My 8 yo son slammed his finger in the classroom door at school and broke the tip of his finger in multiple places and acted so fine that the school didn't even think to call me and he was "fine" all night. Then cut to the next morning and the end of his finger is a deep purple so I take him in and they take x-rays and low and behold it is broken. But what does he do? Dances around the room like a dork. Kids react differently to pain than an adult would and you can never blame yourself for not knowing something. You do the best with the information you have.
The "system" is so difficult for bio families to navigate. I am a foster parent and I have learned that the system is very biased. They have hurt too many bio families.
That’s true and it’s tragic but it’s more tragic that so many bio parents lose custody of their kids for things they can control- drug use, abuse, neglect. It’s insane to hear about parents who have more children despite losing previous children to the system but it seems common. I wish we could enforce mandatory birth control on anyone who’s unable to care for children.
@@mtz6198 Okay but “unable to care for children” is such a vague line and ends up becoming a slippery slope, allowing for the advocation against disabled people, people of color, people with even minor felonies, etc… to not be allowed to have children because they can’t care for them like a neurotypical 2 parent home can.
I agree. They were 3 and 4. They knew their names. How confusing for children to have their first names changed like that. I hope those foster parents rot in jail. The interview they did when the boys went missing was just awful. They looked so fake...like they didn't give a shit and knew the boys were already deceased. God Bless those two babies - Cincere and Classic.
@@StephanieHarlowe no complaints with you at all, girl. I'm a relatively new subscriber and I've been binge watching your videos for at least a week now 😂As always you did a phenomenal job shining a light on this case. I just hate how those awful foster parents basically erased those boys from existence. Not only did they probably take their lives but they changed their names. It's just heartbreaking. Those boys should've never been with those people in the first place.
I've been hoping you'd do this one!!!
As a former foster child turned foster parent, ultimately adopting my last 3 foster babies, this one is very, very close to my heart.
I am looking forward to hearing your experience on this! Let me know what you think at the end of the video!
Thank you Jamie, people like you are what is right about this world. 👏♥️👏
I have a question though, wouldn't it take more than just one incident to have your rights terminated And your kids go up for adoption?
Same here, Jamie, and this just feels like a punch in the gut. Trauma upon trauma for these kids and then they had the terrible fortune to be placed in this type of home. For anyone considering being a foster parent, God Bless you, but if you are not equipped, please don't, you will do more harm than good.
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I “lost” my cat for 3-4 minutes. I was going crazy ugly crying and running outside screaming his name and had his snacks with me. He was Under the bed. I acted more scared than these two people! 🤦♀️
I literally thought about the same thing. Once I left my door ajar while doing laundry down the hall. I couldn’t find my cat (profile pic) anywhere. I was hysterical. He was under the bed. I can’t even fathom not being able to find a child. I would be absolutely inconsolable.
@Nancy McNafferson I know exactly where you are coming from 💯 Our little Chihuahua had slipped by my feet when I opened the back door. It was a fluke. She was so tiny that I turned back to step back inside & she remained outside! After like 10 minutes, I went into the living room where she usually slept on her blanket atop the couch. She was not there. Slight panic...I started calling her.. rising panic. I started running through the house looking everywhere. Couldn't find her. I was freaking out, hyperventilating my heart was already breaking. I ran out front into the gated yard. She was no where to be found. I thought I was going to die. I opened the back door & by the grace of God she was 8 feet beyond the bottom of the staircase. Had she made it out to the street, cars are always racing by & we have packs of coyotes that walk/run right by there & take people's cats & whatever they can get. I will never ever forget it. Forevermore after that event, I always watched to make sure that she did not slip out the door undetected ever again.
When we moved from an apartment into our house, we kept our cat safe at all times, but once the move was near complete, he vanished for a whole day. We were going insane trying to find him until we heard him yowling. Turned out he'd crawled into the supports under our bed to hide and was having a hard time getting out.
I get more freaked out letting my dog in the 2.5 acre yard for potty breaks after dark than these people. He got lost once and I was less worried than mom, but still more scared than these people. (I searched cornfields at night and early day and notified neighbors).
@@sweetpotatofries99 one of ours would run away for weeks to the old house, apart of his grieving process I guess.
The first red flag about these adoptive parents are that they changed the boys' names...like they were property and not people. They weren't infants, they were 3 and 4 year olds with identities. Rest in peace Classic and Cincere.
and another red flag is when he says " he noticed he left the gate open so he went back into the house" and not where the open gate would lead you. He just came from the house? why go back in? and Jaqueline's response " they SHOULD be in the backyard playing with chalk" Lady you're not missing keys, you're missing children, How about " what are you talking about they were with you !" did she actually need to tell him where they should have been ?? come on.
I have another question how these young parents provide for 6 children? What is their job? Is the adoptive mother even working? When there is a full wainting list for people who want to adopt a child with a pure intention,how the system are giving exactly to this couple total of 4 children? From the moment I start the video,I was like "what? 6children?what are these people do for living?!"
@@linabella1218 all I know is that the adopted father sold stupid beats for music... As for the adopted mother I don't think she did anything for work ( not sure though ) hope this helped a little bit... Anyways enjoy u day 🌞 & plz be safe out there!!
They were receiving payments for all the kids they adopted.
That's not an uncommon thing you are allowed to change the names like if other parents are abusing the kids' names by saying a cuss word and their name when they're really young then why have that name planted in their brain if it's a close adoption you're allowed to do whatever you want it don't matter
“I would burn the city down” as a mother, i felt that so hard.
Broken..I am.raising an adopted child who has multiple.medical disabilities but.also PTSD from foster care, ASD, ADHD, sensory processing disorder.. EXTREMELY strong, self injury, no safety awareness. Very loving and smart boy but really keeps me on my toes trying to stay a step ahead. CYS has been called on us 14 times in 7 years. Our regular.casewokers knows us and his history thoroughly but in December a super young and inexperienced behavior therapist thought his eczema and head banging were child abuse, and late at night on Dec 30th an on call caseworker with zero special needs experience was a hair from taking him away. I called his nursing agency and thank dear.God they talked the on call caseworker down. Our nurse had to drive to my house in the middle of the night and stay but she did and when the regular caseworker.came back from vacation she took.over and everything was cleared.up..
@@karenraba4709 god bless you! 🙏🏽
Agreed
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I literally teared up I definitely felt it
its always suspicious to me when the alibis are little house on the prairie level wholesome activities. Dad chopping wood and mom wrapping Christmas presents
🤓 It didn't even occur to me
They try to appear like the perfect loving family and it backfires badly when it turns out to be far from true
This probably wasn’t supposed to be funny but lol. You are so right, jussssst a little too Hallmark holiday movie-ish.
🧐🤔 Hey... yeah, great point!
Excellent point! You articulated it so well that it was almost comical in a dark way.
I suppose it's a minor point compared to the rest of this utterly bizarre story, but these kids were old enough to know their names. Even if you changed their last names after making them part of your family, why would you change their first names? That seems so unnecessarily confusing for children. This whole case is just baffling. HOW does this all happen?
I read a comment somewhere else on this video that sometimes adoptive parent(s) will change their child’s name in the case that the biological parent(s) had abused or threatened that child. If Billy’s bio. mom used to scream at him or always says his name before saying something abusive or threatening, that child will continue being scared especially being with a new family they are not comfortable with yet
@@angelafarson8915, that actually makes sense. What a sad thought, though.
@@angelafarson8915 That's true, I've worked with children who seem genuinely triggered and upset when they see or hear their biological names for clerical reasons. I also had an eight-year-old whose adoptive parents asked her permission to change her name and as part of becoming a family they all sat down and picked out a new name together. She ended up choosing the adoptive mother's name as her middle name. So you're right and I agree, it can be a healing thing!
It would be confusing. No one cared about these children
I worked at a daycare and this little boy was at the daycare for a couple of years when his foster mom adopted him and changed his name and yea we all thought that was strange. He was about 3 or 4 and use to the name he had already. In my opinion, it's too late at that point.
I got the feeling from the adoptive grandmother’s statement that she suspected the parents. The whole “God forgives you, come forward” sounds like how my mom used to shame me into coming clean. Did anyone else get the same vibe?
Totally yes.
I did!
AMEN yes! very much like my mother would pull with me. the whole "If you just come clean the punishment wont be as severe"
Yes I thought the same thing, it sounds like some reverse psychology guilt trip stuff my mom would have said when we broke something
Take note... she said 'someone knows that happened in DECEMBER'. The children weren't reported missing until months later. I agree, she may not know, but she believes
The biological mom’s pain is so gut wrenching. I feel so bad for her. Those sweet little boys deserve justice. Thank you Stephanie for covering this
She got all her kids taken away.
@@jukie16 And hasn't killed any of them either - she did lose her children, and maybe for good reason, but these boys are missing and likely dead because of their foster parents, (or at least, that's what is heavily suggested).
We can still feel bad for the bio mom, even if she isn't a good parent. Because those little boys didn't deserve any of this, and a parent shouldn't have to bury their kids.
@@jukie16 No they were taken away from her by the State that could of done a proper investigation while the children were with family members and resolved. Instead they were given to strangers who killed them.
Those sweet little boys deserved a mom that loved them and wouldn't let them get taken away and put into a stranger's house or in this case...a murderer's house.
She said she could tell her sons didn’t like them, well what happened? Why did she let them ADOPT??? She didn’t complete the requirements of the state in order for them to be adopted out
The interview body language says a lot. I got so many Chris Watt vibes-The rocking back and forth
Trizzelle even seems defensive , I hate that they have to wear masks cause we could see more
His matter of fact tone, and the weight he's putting on the order of events that day gives me the creeps. "Okay, so, it was cold. I was going to make a fire." If I were a parent, I'd be sobbing with regret as I said that, because as a parent, you put responsibility on yourself. "If only"s and "what if"s eat you alive. I think most would blame themselves, although it's not fair to do so, but as someone who controls the life of another, how could you not? And clearly he doesn't share that sentiment
I think the boys family wanted to visit for Christmas and they realized they didn't have a valid excuse for why the boys weren't around. That's the only reason they pretended they wandered off and reported them missing
Good theory!!
Agree💯!
depending on how close the oldest one was to approaching 5 years old, they might also felt pressure by the impending deadline to enroll him in kindergarten/preschool.
Yes because Jamal was coming in town for Chirstmas.
@@julesk3816 Orrin would have turned 5 on August 4th. Orson would have turned 4 on June 11th.
I've been following the boys case from day 1. They were actually the first case I covered on my channel. I drew a picture of the boys, that the bio family used on Orsons birthday cake, and their shirts, in June. 🥺💔🥺
I believe the timing was due to Christmas. And what better day and time to report 2 small boys missing, than the shortest day of the whole year, when sunset was at 4:44pm. 🥺💔(444 is the Angel number) December 21, 2020, was winter solstice.
I went into a lot of details in my almost 40 videos of coverage of this case over the last 15 months. 💙🙏🏼💙
Its horrifying that innocent children get stuck with awful people like this, wolves in sheep's clothing. Gut wrenching.
And they get paid for it
I have personal experience with CPS regarding a similar injury. My daughter attends a small in home daycare run by a childhood friend. She has had this daycare for over 20 years with no incident. About a year a ago, one of the little boys tripped over his brother and broke the younger brother's femur. It wasn't realized right away because the baby looked fine and was already a little fussy from colic. That night the leg was swollen, so the parents took him to CHKD. CPS was called. The daycare was shut down for 4 months. The CPS worker flat out accused my friend of lying and abuse despite no history. CPS wanted me to take my child to CHKD and get a full body scan- 27 x-rays for a two-year-old. At my expense. When I refused to subject my child, who was displaying no sign of injury, to all that radiation, they threatened to remove her from my custody. I offered to take her to my pediatrician, but was told "no". I stood my ground, and in the end the daycare was allowed to reopen, but I can see how a parent with no resources could lose their child, or children, on the whim of a CPS worker. (Cue Stephanie, "The system is broken!")
This is so horrifying! 😔
My oldest fractured his leg at 2.5, during a temper tantrum. It happened early in the morning and I didn't think the fall was enough to do any real damage, but my son wasn't walking afterwards. I gave him painkillers and iced the sore leg. I even used elastic bandages to wrap his leg, but he didn't walk. When after his nap he still wouldn't walk, I took him to the hospital. Well after X-rays from his hips to his toes, and a blood test we were sent home with no answers around midnight. I was told to bring him back in the morning if he still wasn't walking. Well we were back the next day, and they did an ultrasound, more blood work and much consulting with the children's hospital, they determined that the hair fine line on the X-ray above his ankle was a fracture.
I was fortunate that the sort of fracture wasn't considered suspicious, and it was determined that the area where the fracture was, was a weak point caused by the uneven way his bones were calcifying.
They violate people's rights by making threats and throwing their weigh around all the time.
Wow that's crazy!
cps expected you to pay for the examintion of your child to help prove their point/case ? I can't believe it
I have two boys on the spectrum and one was an escape artist when he was 3. I also have Crohn’s disease and sometimes would “be called” to the porcelain throne at the worst times. As a single mom, I would often leave the door to the bathroom cracked so I could keep an ear out.
One day, he escaped. It was about 2-3 minutes before I realized what happened. I zoomed right off the toilet and ran outside screaming, couldn’t find him. Immediately called police and was running around the cul-de-sac screaming like a maniac. No shoes and I hadn’t even zipped my pants up. It turned out my elderly neighbor across the road had found him and taken him in. I was extremely lucky.
I don’t often like to be anecdotal and of course everyone reacts differently. But that footage of the “panicked” search sealed the deal for me. That is not the behavior of someone frantically searching for their lost children. I’m not sorry I said it either.
Yeah, their behavior from moment 1 was pretty obvious.
I’m more frantic and scream harder when my dog goes missing for a few seconds.
As a fellow momma with Chrons this is one of my fears, I'm so glad your neighbor was looking out💜 you are 100% correct that the initial search was tell tale
Yes, I agree. The reaction spoke volumes. I work with pups and have never lost one thankfully but if I did, I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs and running down the entire steet looking for the fur baby!
For real, I lost my dog over night once and was absolutely panicked until we found him. I can't believe how they acted after kids are missing.
The first thing that raised questions in my mind, was why move to a 3 bed house with six children? Especially with the age differences, the kids will need different rooms etc. I think two kids sharing is normal, but you wouldn't put a three year old in with a ten year old. So did they move away from Bakersfield, to cover the fact the boys were missing? Were people asking questions?
May have been a financially motivated decision. It was all they could afford?
I though that too! How were they able to foster children when they barely had room for their own children. No home studies were done? Because not having a room for children is an easy way to fail a home study.
@@daisysmith9148 exactly. How did they get approved while living in an apartment in Bakersfield? Most apartments in Cali are not "spacious." Mine never were, and I had to pay a LOT of money for the 2 bedroom I rented years ago, circa 1995-1998 and 2003-2006. Where would all 6 kids sleep? Even if financially driven to move, there are still only 3 bedrooms. So, 3 kids to a room? It happens: bunk beds, and a twin. But it appears these sweet boys never made it to California City. I hope more comes to light soon. This case is heartbreaking. 💔
If thats all they could afford then they shouldn’t be qualified to take in two 3 year olds. Foster children don’t deserve the bottom of the barrel. These are growing children who need adequate space not shelter cats. @stephanie harlowe
@@daisysmith9148 This is California. The foster system is filled beyond the brim with children. I imagine CPS looks past (not that it's right) certain things, in order to place children.
I hope the bio mom is able to file a wrongful death civil suit, this is BS. I've heard she tried multiple times to get her kids back, she had a home, she had employment and they wouldn't call her back before they finalized adoption. If that's true, that makes this all worse.
Other comments are supplying details which, if accurate, mean that the removal was justified.
They shouldn't have been able to adopt them if they had a parent actively trying to get themselves in order to get their kids back. That's what the foster system main goal is.
@@ColorsFlightI know that is the goal but I know someone who works in the CPS system in the county this happened, and I know they say this case in particular was not done correctly, and multiple bio family members and bio mom wanted and were trying to adopt or foster those kids. But they were given to the Wests instead. It was a complete failure of the system
“Rambunctious” WTH? They are little boys! 3 and 4 years old! They are SUPPOSED to be rambunctious!!
My deepest sympathy to the bio parents and family.
There’s something entirely WRONG about how these young children were removed from their home, fostered by these weirdos and ADOPTED within one year???
That does not make sense. Something is very wrong with that.
And also how did they get to adopt 4 kids while living in a apt at first to begin with doesn't seem like enough room for 6 kids
Did the addopting parent really refer to the kids in past tense (they where rambunctious) ? From a psychological view thats a huge red flag i think.
@@breahnaxoxo6658 exactly! You’d have to really crowd those kids into a 3 bedroom home when they moved. I only take on what I can financially handle. None of my business, but I believe they needed more space and were desperate. California City isn’t super expensive, lol
I think Christmas was coming up and they couldn't hide that the boys were missing from extended family anymore. AND figured people would be too distracted by holidays to pay attention they way they did. They underestimated other people's empathy. RIP Classic and Cinsere
I feel so awful for the bio mom...
Am I the only one who thinks it's REALLY strange that they legally changed their names? I've never heard of foster/adoptive parents doing that. That is SUPER weird to me...
I went to school with a girl who was adopted in fourth grade, and they changed her first and last name. After we graduated high school, she moved out and separated herself from her adoptive family, although she still kept her new name.
I know it happens, but I do think it’s strange.
@@kaetispannbauer9082 I definitely think it's weird. Maybe a power/control thing idk
@Kaeti Spannbauer I'm adopted and my new parents gave us the offer to change our names if we wanted to (had to go through the last name change process anyways). It's unusual, but there could be valid reasons (like if the bio parents are dangerous).
@@kaetispannbauer9082 super weird to me too, I was adopted out of foster care at 2/3 and my momma didn't change my first or middle name. The party of the interview where he said " we named them, their our children" ughh
This hit me really hard. Almost to the point of tears. I'm a single father of a three-year-old. I'm 42 I just retired out of the military so I spend all my time with my son. And one of the things we love to do is go for a walk down to City Park and get our sidewalk chalk out. I'm an actual muralist with sidewalk chalk. I'm amazing at it I'll toot my own horn. And we'll go to City Park and all the kids gather around and and watch me make these huge chalk murals of the avengers of the Ninja turtles of Disney movies. And my son is just so proud of me he stands there and watches me and then when I need something just shaded in he'll take a piece of chalk and go color it in, and I love how all the kids just see mystified buy something so simple is sidewalk chalk. I can't imagine if I lost my son not for a second not for a minute. Never he's my air he's my oxygen. If I didn't have him I truly think I just wither up and die. I'll never understand how people do this
I feel you! A few years ago (in my old apartment complex) my 2 boys went to a friend's apartment to play video games without my permission. I told them they could play outside til time for us to go. I went outside to get them. Called their names and didn't see them anywhere. Talk about panic. I felt my heart drop to my stomach and I went into maniac mode and started knocking on EVERY door in the complex. Worst feeling in my life. I hugged and got on to them when I found them at their friends lol
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Aw, you're a great dad!
@@Peace_luv_educ888 that is the single greatest thing you can say to a man. Thank you. Bless ❤️🙏
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! My jaw literally dropped when you started talking about the other set of boys who were placed with the Wests. WTF?? 😳😩😔🥺 Where are these sweet boys at??? 😔
no same ! my jaw is on the floor ! how did these people get away with this for so long ?
Child trafficking?
@@sassysarina9718 oh god… I didn’t even think of that 😭😭
@@sassysarina9718 CPS has a lot of questions to answer, but I doubt it. They're always "unavailable" for that sort of thing.
As a former foster mom, and adoptive parent of a former foster child, this type of story kills me. This breaks the hearts of every good and decent foster family.
Hi! I’m currently in nursing school, and I’ve learned that a “twisted fracture” (also called a spiral fracture) is normally caused by abuse, such as the adult twisting the arm or leg as a form of abuse/punishment. So if a kid were to come in with a twisted fracture, CPS would normally be contacted.
Regardless, why they were in care has nothing to do with their murder.
@@ttjotracy8315 Sure it does. All the fools claiming they should have been with the mother. Besides abuse, she didn't comply with the court's orders regarding drug testing. Secondly, the bio "father" voluntarily relinquished his rights. FACTS actually matter, stop blaming CPS for the bad and abusive parenting of the bio parents.
@@krazyk8592 Well I don't think I'm blaming anyone in my statement, first of all Secondly, what does any of that have to do with being murdered? it's no different than saying if you didn't dress that way you wouldn't have been raped"? its victim-blaming. it's 2022 we should know better than to engage with archaic thinking.
@@krazyk8592 Sheesh thanks for keeping us informed. I had a feeling the bio parents were bsing
@@krazyk8592 yeah but anything the bio parents did is irrelevant to the choices the adoptive parents made. CPS made the choice to place them with that specific adoptive family, and that also had absolutely nothing to do with the bio parents
Femur breaks are one thing but a spiral fracture of the femur is a different type of femur fracture. It’s difficult to produce the twisting force in an accidental injury but is seen mostly in non-accidental trauma. It’s extremely common in child abuse injuries. There may have been other child abuse related injuries found on the boys as well. We just don’t know without seeing the medical records and CPS notes. In the state I live it’s very difficult to have your children removed and adopted out. There has to be major issues/injuries happening. Btw I’m a nurse.
I was thinking the same...I know so many children who were left in/quickly returned to homes they should have never been allowed to be in...and there are very few ways a spiral fracture can occur without abuse being a factor
There was a channel that showed CPS paperwork months ago. There were no other injuries on Cinsere. He was at the sitter when it happened. It also had been confirmed by Chief Jon Walker it was an ruled an accident.
I also don’t understand how they were adopted if the parents were doing all they could to get the kids out of foster care…I think there is definitely more than what’s being presented by the parents. Why wouldn’t the police gone after the sitter? Also, why didn’t the biological parents notice their babies were even missing for months? No phone calls or visits for months?
Agreed, they would not just take a child away from a parent based on one singular event of a questionable injury. They might look into the case for sure. But unfortunately the opposite is much more likely to happen in an overloaded system, that a probable abuse case flies under the radar. The best example are these two poor boys who were apparently dead for 3 months before anyone noticed a thing. And even at this point, their disappearance was falsely reported by the abusers themselves.
@@kristyhumphrey5869 Exactly. The fact that neither the biological mum nor the dad noticed anything speaks volumes. 😔
I remember when this case first broke, one thing I found extremely strange was the fact that there were NO pics of the little boys released other than the ones on the missing fliers. The pics you posted of them in their car seats are the only other pics I've seen of them (other than a couple with the "parents").
I don't have children, but I have a dog and my phone is literally FILLED with hundreds of pics of him! Sooooo where are all the pics of the Classic and Cincere???
These "parents" never deserved to have these two babies. Unbelievable!
I have more photos of my dogs vomit than these people took of these babies. It's fucking infuriating.
Are we even sure they moved with the rest of the family? It makes me sick
I’ve been watching this on/ off cleaning 52:00 called it
Thank you for respecting their family and referring to them as their true, real, birth names. I adopted a kitten who already had a name and couldn’t bring myself to change his name so why would they do that?! It’s not even like they were newborns, at their ages I’m sure they knew what their names were. I can’t believe how sick and evil this pair of “humans” could be. RIP Classic🤎 and Cincere🤎
@@abcdefgg2gbye876 Our little beloved Chihuahua ( who we took in after neighbors who were mistreating her gave her up to us ) came with the name Pumpkin. At first we considered a new change cause we weren't crazy about the name. Very quickly I decided that no way! She knew & understood that her name was Pumpkin. There was no reason to mix her up or confuse her. Her name was part of her identity. So, Pumpkin was it! 🎃 We adored her & miss her terribly. AND we came to love her name because we loved her so much.
My mom and I had a complicated, toxic, abusive relationship. She was an addict and a sex worker and I couldn’t deal with it all anymore, so, I cut ties. No contact.
Three years later, she went missing.
A couple teenagers found her body a week later.
That week was hell beyond words. Even though I resented her, kind of hated her, felt victimized by her, her being missing was the worst thing I’ve ever been through. When someone who is that close is just gone without a word, even when the relationship is tough, it hurts. It hurts so bad there’s no way to explain it. That hurt changes your soul.
The bio mom has that hurt. It’s visible. The adoptive parents- there’s no fear, no panic. They’re not bargaining with god or any kidnapper. They don’t have that sense of panic about where those kids are.
I’m so sorry you went through this in your life. You are my hero today - what a compassionate person you must be. Thanks for being brave and strong.
Holy shit..u need to talk?
Heart wrenching...I'm so sorry. Your story says a lot about the adopted parents. They weren't even faking tears. I'll always remember your story. ❤
Thanks for all the kind words. I’m doing as good as anyone can in this situation, I can only send my best thought to the mother of those two boys. Her hurt is beyond measure.
So sorry for ur loss and all that u went through. May God bless and keep and I agree with you about these foster parents. Like they didn't even try to fake that they care. Sad sad sad.
The system is so broken. How did these two even make it through the adoption process. I’ve known couples, great people, that literally had to go through hell to adopt. My heart absolutely breaks for those two little boys, and I hope justice will be served for them. 🙏🙏💔💔
Why were they even put up for adoption???
@@wendywarrior2264 Stephanie said in the very beginning of the video that the birth mother lost custody due to some kind of physical altercation with another family member.
Exactly! They obviously don't have the financial resources or the brain power to parent six children - yet the state of California thought, twice, that it was a good idea to drop a couple more kids on them. What the hell?
My confusion starts at this point too. It's so weird to me.
@@missychan63 put them in foster care then. Unless the bio parents gave up their rights. Which I kind of doubt.
I freak out when my son finds a hiding spot that's really good during hide and seek IN OUR HOUSE! (There is also tragic hide and seek stories) so how the hell was she okay with letting super young kids play outside in the dark and cold alone? I don't think those babies were ever there at the house if neighbors never knew they "lived" there.
I agree with you.
However, their "story" was not that the kids were out there alone in the dark and cold. It wasn't dark yet, and they say the guy was out there with them but went inside for a min to bring wood in.
Also, I lived about an hour from there for most my life. And even in December, it doesn't get "cold" not cold enough to harm the kids. But... I still don't think they were ever at that house. They were murdered at the hold house in Bakersfield in my opinion!
Yeah, that's the thing as well. The neighbours said that they never saw children living there. They didn't hear them, see them, notice them... Usually, if kids are living somewhere, people notice.
It's been proven they were never at the house - they were killed 4 months before the family ever moved to the new house.
One of the few facts LE gave us is that they were definitely missing for months. I hope one of them tells where they are. I pray they didn't dispose them like trash and in a dump somewhere.
Omg my mom always tells me the story of my dad teaching me how to play hide and seek when I was a toddler. We'd play around the house with my bro and cousins. He taught me to be very quiet no matter what - because the seeker would be calling my name as they looked lol. Weeeellllll I decided to show off my new 'skill' at the department store with my mom. I hid in one of those circle clothing racks and did everything my dad told me to do. My mom just about had a heart attack 😭. Took her, the manager, and some other customers 15 mins to find me! She said I wad so proud of myself lol
The boys were supposedly playing with chalk. Does anybody ever mention there actually being fresh chalk drawings there? I don't think there were any. That's pretty incriminating.
Plus how can they be drawing pictures with chalk on the concrete if it's dark outside? I mean sure it's not impossible but why would you? I've never seen anyone drawing with chalk in the dark at night.
Nighttime, means inside time. Especially for under 13 years let alone a 3 and 4 year old 😂these two are dumb. 6 kids with these 2…yikes
@katlyncurran3890 I think it was on the back patio where more than likely there was lighting.
I feel so bad for the bio mom. She clearly was having a hard time in life but still cared and loved her children so much and wanted to be in their lives.
And that mother instinct in her when she said.... My kids didn’t like them
@Kay Angel Yes, not one but 2. And, they engaged their younger children to harm these beautiful boys. How in the world did the adoptive mother not have any feelings to allow this, did she not think what if some did that to my bio kids. They are beyond evil and it’s very clear to me they were fostering/adopting for the money
She had to stop using weed to regain custody. That’s it. She said she needed it for medical use & chose that over her kids. No idea why the dad didn’t try for custody.
I’m sympathetic to the bio family’s pain to a point but they failed these children too.
Sorry. I feel bad for no one other than these two kids. Every adult they knew let them down. All parents can go to h311.
I kept having to take breaks watching this. Orrin and Orson did nothing to deserve the lives they were given. It fills me with so much terror, and rage, and sadness; because as a mother myself I cannot fathom any situation where my actions would lead to something this awful.
You did incredible work, as always, giving these boys a voice and doing the research this case deserved.
My son is 4 and for the first time he went out the front door while I was in the bathroom. He want straight to our neighbors house but it gave me a heart attack. I was screaming for him immediately. Yeah the neighborhood knew right the fuck away I was looking for him.
They usually do go right to the neighbors
The fact that one of the ladies searching for the boys was crying and the adoptive “parents” weren’t, says a lot to me. Those precious little boys deserved so much better. I truly hope that the other little boys are safe and that their mom hears from them. 😞
I have a feeling they know the timeline of death based on what the other children must have said. I’m sure they questioned the other 4 and got tons of info.
The list of offenses on the arrest warrants included one that had to do with involving a minor in a crime. I'm guessing the parents either made the children assist in the clean up or the cover up.
I was thinking the same thing. The oldest child was 9, I believe. Kids that age are extremely observant & by that age they can recognize when their parents are doing something bad. They understand what fear & abuse are too. It explains why the kids were not placed with the adoptive grandmother. Hopefully the other kids weren't abused & aren't too traumatized by everything. 😥
You never have to apologize to take personal time because life usually revolves around research and your work! We love you!
I've been waiting to hear your take on this, but you will always have my complete respect for never jumping on the "band wagon" for views.
Sometimes you gotta hang back and see how things play out!
@@StephanieHarlowe absolutely! I saw what you saw! We all did, BUT I chose to reserve judgment for a while, till I was sure that the facts pointed that way. Honestly, I was just hoping and praying that it wasn't another parent hurting their own children. I'm over it!
I appreciate that Stephanie always makes sure she's providing the most accurate and complete story as possible. It bothers me when RUclipsrs jump the gun and report unverified facts and speculation, even if they are open about everything being speculation
I watch ALOT of true crime content. I work in a field that's social services adjacent. Typically, I can hear difficult cases and be OK but this case struck a cord for some reason. I think the fact that these two changed these little one's names is what kicked off my discomfort with them. There is something profoundly sad about children being removed from their parents and suffering as a result....sigh.
I agree, there is an old saying, "don't trust anyone who changes their name, or has short thumbs," one of those old wives tales you know but it sure made sense for these two people should mean don't trust them, thats all I can think of, and those names were cool. I like them personally. My pets have always had unusual names, Ocean, Gabriel, Lucy was a normal name, Bishop, Saint, Ember, Zeus, Halo, Newt, September, Xuan Wu the turtle, just to name a few, there is nothing wrong with being Unique. I don't have kids thus all the pets over the years.
More often than not, adoptees are traumatized just from the process of adoption alone. Being removed from their family, so on top of that to erase their name .. just feels extra terrible. Feels like they really tried to erase everything they came from, everything they were. which is so unfair to them. stories like these are too common, it’s really heart breaking. glad people like you are working in those fields, people who can see the issues going on
Not to defend them AT ALL, because I know they did it and are evil BUT… sometimes, even a child’s NAME can be traumatizing! It can bring back memories of their past and it can be beneficial to change their name as a fresh start. Also it can be done to PROTECT them from their biological family if their biological family poses a risk to the kids. Again, not in this case but sometimes changing a child’s name during adoption is in the best interest of the child!
so I'm not the only one who found it odd that they renamed the children?
@@black.cake1 Wow this is an incredibly ignorant comment. And Summer is not an odd name to begin with.
To give perspective on what the grandmother said; A LOT of older black folks turn to religion to mentally cope with trauma in their life. Older black people (especially women) have seen and been through a lot. My great grandma was born in the year 1925 that’s nearly 100 years ago, she would probably say the same thing and it’s not because she’s trying to be insensitive but it’s how older black people have had to cope with the horrors of life. Her mother was a slave and there’s no justice in that, it’s not like there was mental health resources back then, so of course they turn to God to help deal with their issues to stay sane.
Hope people can understand that.
@@HadenBlake I’ve been raised Christian and I’m definitely not that. But I also personally believe there’s A higher power. Not sure who/what it is but I think someone upstairs is running the show.
Ultimately I’m into too much history and science to be a Christian lol
If she was born in 1925, wouldn't that mean that her grandmother was a slave, not her mother? Slavery ended in 1865.
@@scottcharney1091 I really can’t believe there’s people who still don’t know that slavery went on for years after slavery was legally abolished, especially in the Deep South. Sir, there’s black folks who were enslaved/underpaid up until the 1930’s.
I feel like there’s many resources available to research this before you go and question the validity of someone’s story, even the movie The Help shows the state of black America in the early 1900’s.
Just for reference, this is why so many black families are disadvantaged or poor to this day, because their families were devastated by slavery for decades after it happened.
This isn’t meant to be an attack, the American school system really fails to inform people properly of this, more so just annoyed.
My grandmother(mom's mom) was born in 1929. We're blessed to still have her and she is sassy as ever ❤️ She lost her mom when she was 2 years old but yes them older folks have some stories.
Yes, perspective is everything.
I love the hello fresh ads of you and your husband goofing around in the kitchen. They’re my favorite ads, I think. It’s so wholesome and sweet 🥺😭💕
I'm an hour away from Bakersfield and it has been devastating for the community. People have been extremely invested in finding the boys and when they announced that the boys were deceased it was absolutely heartbreaking.
I really pray that Classic and Cinsere get justice. I also pray that Madgenia gets some piece of mind regarding the safety of her children. It's all so tragic.
Thank you for covering Classic and Cincere!! I'm hoping so badly someone flips so the boys can be laid to rest and their family can get some sense of closure. Then I hope they throw the book at the responsible party/parties. Shame on the Wests for not providing a loving and caring home for these boys, and shame on the state for not thoroughly investigating their true welfare before placing them with someone other than family. Horribly tragic all around.
Thank you for using their true names. As an adoptee myself I find it so fucked up that adopters can change a kid's name just because they want to. We're humans not dogs ffs. My adopters changed my name also. I changed it back to my true name when I got married. Best decision I've ever made. At some point in life I will also be adopted back by mother so that my birth certificate shows my actual biology and not the people who purchased me. Another fucked up abuse inherent to adoption. A BIRTH certificate is altered to show the names of people who had nothing to do with the child's birth.
I find it very upsetting that their names were changed by their adoptive parents. As humans, our names are so important to us! They often reflect our heritage, and become a huge part of our identity. At a very early age we learn to respond to them. It’s so weird to change their names, I feel like it really says a lot about the adoptive parents.
Thank you for using their real names. I find it insulting that people use the names their murderers gave them.
That's so true, my mum is adopted, they changed her name but always told her she was adopted - so why did they change her name ? Both adoptive parents died young. Her biological mum was 14 years old as we learned from the birth certificate. Mum was born 1961.her biological father was not named on the birth certification. Why did my mother's biological parents give her up for adoption ? The biological mother is dead now too. She was dead in 2017. The biological father ? I wonder what happened ? I'd love to know for good or ill .
@@missmaex3 I didn't find out until later in life that my dad wasn't my biological father and had instead adopted me ... but my birth certificate was changed to show his last name and him listed as the father. I always thought it was strange you could just have those records changed like that. I wouldn't mind an addendum to show the adoption, but that doesn't sit right with me even though he's a fantastic dad and I love him dearly.
As a former California foster kid...it's pretty hard for parents to lose all their rights so the kids can be adopted out. My bio mother allowed men to do things to me for drugs as a child and she was able to get us back multiple times. I think there's more to the story of the bio mother. But I think those adopted parents got in way over there head with that many kids and lost their shit and killed them. Those poor babies. I bet their whole lives were nothing but hell.
I hope the foster care system one day gets their shit together
you have to remember racism is a huge part probably why she is treated differently and lost her children.
I agree with you!! Both families let these boys down!! Very sad!!
@@afallingstarfell but the adoptive father isn’t white either? not sure about the ‘mother’
Wow thank you for sharing your experience. ❤️ you must be a strong person, I admire that so much.
@@DarkSister535 thank you for the kind reply ❤️ I try my best.
Omg Stephanie, your relationship with your husband is gorgeous. That is what love looks like. Where I would normally jump ahead of the sponsorship part, I actually look to see if it's one where you two are both involved, and I stick around to see that love, friendship & joy; the world needs so, so much more of that. Thanks for sharing it with all of us. 🥰
I've always wondered if they have asked the other children when was the last time they saw the two little boys.. I feel like that would be really interesting to hear what the kids have said, but maybe that's what they are keeping quiet now. Hopefully we find out what has happened to these beautiful little boys🤍
The info released by the DA indicates that these monsters may have forced the older boys to be involved in this crime - and then threatened them. :(
I'm terrified to hear more details at trial!
They did. The other kids said it was on the day they went to grandmas… but i don’t believe it. I think they were coached
I’ve watched a few creators talk about this. One had a defence attorney on just after these two were arrested and he said that’s how they knew the boys had died (the kids talked when they were removed) and he also claimed that the kids had participated in the abuse of the boys and were possibly involved in their death. I’m not sure how he knew that though because I’ve not heard it mentioned anywhere else.
I was thinking the same. The other kids have to know something!! Other comments saying the other children could have been involved, … I can’t even think about it 😓
@@StephanieHarlowe and what day did they go to grandmas? must have been approx 3 months before they were reported missing right? Unless they saw G ma only once in the 3 months prior? As well in the interview they asked the foster dad where the rest of the kids were he said on vacation with Gma? so which is it. ?
Thank you SO MUCH for covering this case! These precious boys need to be found & Justice has to be served. They, as so many "missing" children like Summer Wells NEED their names out there. We can't forget them. I absolutely love your style of telling their stories.
The person that screwed the poster saying "where are they boys" is a genious...if they take the poster down it looks terrible and makes no sense if they are innocent..if they sont take it down it's a reminder to everyone involved and any filming that foul play is suspected and the community is shifting blame towards them...you get action and anwsers in situations like this by putting suspects between a rock and a hard place and damn did the guy that put that up do this..absoulty briliant!
I mini panik when my children come down a little late from school. People who've never seen these kids were more concerned about them than the "parents"
When the officer says "Our children" you know he cares🥺
It's so heartwarming how California City residents keep saying "our boys," even though many of us suspected the boys never made it to California City. Classic & Cincere mattered.
"I can't sleep, I can't get any peace. These are my boys. These are *our* boys. Our California City Boys are missing and we want to know where they're at."
It's comforting to know that this community really pushed for answers when their own adoptive 'parents' never even bothered to do anything but defend themselves rather than do everything they can to find their boys. I have been saying this a lot recently but I believe it to ring true; *every child deserves a parent, not every 'parent' deserves a child.*
Thank You
“Every child deserves a parent, not every adult deserves to be a parent”
My preferred wording ❤️
@@KA-cm5mb the very same one ❤
Exactly. You don't have two very young children outside with no one watching them just for wrapping gifts and the older kids were in the house....... It makes zero sense. There's no way they vanished that quick like the dad claims.
I also saw a interview where the relator was talking about his conversation with Trezell. He said he asked Trezell how many kids they had. He said “we have 4, two of them are adopted” he also said he made most of his money from beats he made. He sold them online.
I instantly thought they were guilty when Trezell said Chris Watts famous line “we just want them back”
@@greggbaker7120 maybe like a synthesizer?
Yeah that popped out for me too. Along with the rocking back and forth.
@@greggbaker7120 music tracks
@@michelleprieur1 🙌🏻
@@greggbaker7120 beats for music.
When I was a baby, my sister tripped and accidentally dropped me down the stairs. Ever the stoic baby, I did not cry. Nobody realized my leg was broken until my dad (an MD) came home. He asked why is she dragging her leg while crawling? Of course, this was during the Wild West 1970s LOL.
Lol yeah things were different back than....way different.
@@codybarry8204 *then
I had a similar incident when I have 4 I stuck my arm in one of those big tide bottles and it fell and pulled my shoulder out of my socket. I didn’t cry I just stood in a corner. They didn’t know something was wrong until my arm looks a bit lower than the other. The nurse questioned my mom about child abuse thankfully I wasn’t taken away. This was in 2007
I actually DID drop my sister down the stairs 😬
I’m sure that was a nightmare at the time, but it makes a funny story lol
If they really are innocent as they claim, I’m curious to know what they got the boys for Christmas?
Same!!
Good question
Ooohhh same
Where are the boys if they’re innocent ? They should be alive.
@Iam Whoiam Yes, when I was a kid I would get clothes and some toys for Christmas. The clothes would be "OK" but it was the toys and candy that the kids really want !!
I've really missed her. So happy she's back 😁
Do you watch Crime Weekly?? Her and Derrick are an awesome combo and they've been posting videos on that channel.. Sure missed coffee and crime but Crime Weekly gives the Stephanie Harlowe fix!
I just started watching crime weekly. I find Cable TV is pretty boring. So murder mysterious it is!
@@scraidywolf7081 I have not yet, but I should.
I just subbed to Both last week. Kim Wads talked about it and here I am. I have been binging for an entire week as I am laid up in surgery. That said I fostered for 10 years.. They “ adopted “ these kids how is that possible? In my state MA you don’t get anything. We did not do it for the money . $50 a day. I
can’t wrap my head around why they did this to those children. I blame the broken system that takes kids from homes they should be in and sends the children back to the abuser …. I pray for those sweet boys and everyone who loved them
This is an extremely sad case, If they were able to hide the kids' death for that long I wonder how many other children have been murdered that just no one knows about
I would say ,a lot
Ugh I think about this stuff ALL the time, all the horrific things going on behind closed doors all over the world. It’s heartbreaking.
@@jalisaalanaye1662 I do the same thing...I think about what goes on behind closed doors constantly. Especially when it comes to children, it's so sad to think that every minute someone is being hurt or abused, it's sickening.
The fact that there’s another set of parents who said their 2 boys were also placed with the West family and are still missing is proof the system is beyond broken. Missing for 5 years?!? Why couldn’t they get info on where their children are?
I’m only half way through the video but inside I’m SCREAMING “check their old house!!!!!!” They may have done something to them before they even moved.
I hope 🤞🏼 they check it
I agree
This case enrages me on soooo many levels. But I'm appalled at the fact that it is so easy over there to take kids away from their bio enlarged families and give them up to foster care and adoption in such a small amount of time. I live in Italy. Believe me it takes YEARS, up to 6 or 7 to adopt a child and adopting families have to go through such extensive examination before they are even considered eligible. People who have got stable jobs, a good housing and that are willing to put themselves under the radar just to have the opportunity to give a child a caring loving family. I can't believe they let these 2 little boys down like that. And I can't imagine how the bio mother must be felling right now. It's outraging.
The adoption process is faster in foster care, but imo it was normal to take away the two boys from the bio family. A spiral fracture doesn’t happen naturally, and the fact that they didn’t notice his disappearance for months speaks volumes.
@@depgabby I know someone who fell when they were drunk and got the same spiral fracture. It's easier then you think
@@mrs.anderson1519 Not really. Most doctors who examine someone especially women and children with a spiral fracture suspect abuse and rightfully so, because spiral fractures are NOT easy to get by accident, especially for children. Your “friend” either doesn’t exist, lied about how he got it, or is one of the very, very few people who somehow sustain a spiral fracture by accident.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I believed these kids were trafficked, and it goes much higher. Why would they chose to put the kids in these people's custody. I think it's weird how fast they were allowed to be adopted and how they were even allowed to take the kids. I think that agency is totally criminal, again people do not understand how high child trafficking goes. It's obvious they moved from Bakerfield is because no one would realize they had kids. Now we have another family who seems to have been adopted out to the same family and no one knows where these kids are. WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM. ITS HARDER TO ADOPT A RESCUE DOG. This might not be your cup of tea, but I liked to check sloan bellas reading, and she happened to do one on these kids. She knew they didn't leave Bakersfield I think I'm going to go back and listen to it.
Welcome to America. Can't really compare the system in America to another country. Sadly, but true. 😔
Stephanie, I just have to say you and your husband dancing in the kitchen was SO cute!!! ❤️
I instantly got the vibe they was fostering all for money!! Am I the only one who feels they started fostering for easy money?
But, they adopted the kids and that’s when the money stops.
“Easy money” tell me you have no idea how hard fostering is without telling me you have no idea.
Ppl do it ..i knew someone personally who did it for money ..."foster parent" they were scum ..treated the children less than ..smh
in AZ at least, you can get money after adoption. adoption stipends can be received until kids turn 18 and includes govt insurance and $ to adoptive parents
@@HappyAn9ie it has happened and is still happening to this day!!
Accidentally killing one child, I could buy. Accidentally killing two children, who are also the only two biological brothers? I don't know how you could possibly spin that to be an accident.
Well, OBVIOUSLY, they COULDN'T spin it to be an accident, which is why they came up with the ridiculous theory of them being abducted. The theory was disproven by police within 12 hours and had backhoes at the property within 48 hours. They knew the kids were dead, it just took a long time to put all the puzzle pieces together to legally charge them for it. A lot of witnesses and circumstantial evidence and timelines had to be put together.
@@krazyk8592 I think they finally came forward and reported the kids 'missing/abducted' on Dec 21, because they knew that Christmas being around the corner, the jig was up. The biological parents, grandparents, and their own biological kids' grandparents would question why the other two children weren't with them on Christmas. Busted.
Maybe they drugged them because they were so "rambunctious" and overdosed them to death... it's the only way I could think of how they "accidentally" killed them both.
@@xfreespirit1979x I get what you're saying,, but that would not be considered an accident.
@@ttjotracy8315 WTF are you talking about? Clearly, your comment was for someone else because it makes zero sense regarding what I said.
Stephanie OMG the lighting is amazing in this video! Giving me very much “it’s summertime” vibes with your summer glow!
I have a little tan from vacation!
Stephanie you look great!!
That interview and the way they’re talking about what happened strikes me as odd. The way they’re so calm and collected. I don’t even think I could do an interview right after my child just went missing. I wouldn’t be able to calm down long enough to do that. I’d be out screaming for my boy
It was so weird and the wife kept like looking at her husband and repeating the story
Same!
Let me just say, that I have huskies. And sometimes, one gets out. I am WAY more panicked about a missing dog than these parents are about 2 missing toddlers. I think we all know that something very, very bad happened to those kids, and I hope they get the justice they deserve.
I’m so glad you’re back! I didn’t know about any trips or breaks and I was like “oh god….is she ok? Did she find some stairs in the woods?! “😅😳
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Lol 😂
Do you follow crime weekly? She's been in some new videos on there
Lol 😂
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If my kid was missing and the cops told me to “stay put” I’d just be like ..
“Look, you can kiss my ass.. my husband can stay here but I’m going out and turning over every stone looking for my babies”
And I’ve wrapped gifts with my little ones in the room with me. They don’t even understand fully what I’m doing so..
AMEN!!
YESSSSS!!👏👏
AMEN GIRL... Enjoy u day 🌞 & plz u & u family be safe out there ❤!!
Ditto on all of this
I told my husband the same thing listening to this. I was like “ you can stay here, but I’m knocking on every neighbors door with a shot gun cause I’d be convinced it’s one of them!” I’m with Stephanie with burning shit down if CPS tried to take my babies, they’d have to put me in jail or kill me!
My grandparents, who fostered and adopted me in the state of California, didn't need the money from the state, so they put it in a savings account for me. I have no idea how much money is in there. They told me about it a handful of times, but I have no clue how or when they will give me access to it. I'm 22 lol
I appreciate your effort in making sure the information you're providing is as accurate, reliable, and relevant as possible, even if it means delaying the content a little. Its one of the many reasons I love your videos so much. Its so easy to believe what you see online at face value, and I know when I hear it from you I actually can trust it. You're doing a good thing
Yes! My favorite RUclipsr hands down
My daughter broke her femur at 3. It was a twisting injury. She was running in a camp ground on a hill and tripped on an exposed tree root. It held her foot and her leg broke. I was questioned for child abuse. She wasn’t even in my care at the time. My mom had her camping. I got the call at work and was met by cops at the hospital.
I see that many in the comments says that twist injuries are always because of abuse. People like you and I knows for a fact that ain't true. My sons foot got stuck in the crib and he fell and his own weight broke his femur and twisted it. It's absolutely heart breaking being accused of hurting your own child.
I truly believe that if every suspicious injury,accident or not, was investigated stuff like this would happen way less and innocent children wouldn’t be murdered.
Does anyone else feel like it's crazy that they changed these babies names?? I don't even change a dog's name when I've adopted them. I could understand if it was to protect them if someone were looking for them or if they were older and decided on their own to change their names.
I thought it was weird, too. Especially at that age when they’re newly verbal, I would think it would be confusing for them.
I was adopted at age 3 and my name was changed. I don't think it's that weird... I was told my original name later and am glad it was changed. Lol
That was my thought, too. It seems wrong to change the names of the children.
I don’t think it’s that weird at such young ages. Honestly their birth names were very odd- as someone with an uncommon first name it’s not cool to name your kid really out there. I HATED it as a kid because I always had to correct people and people assumed I was a particular race (I wasn’t) based on my name and bias and racism is real.
No, it's entirely normal at that young age, part of a fresh start. It's weird you think it's weird. And, as for animals, literally the first thing I change is their usually stupid shelter name.
Being a family of 6 with my 4 youngest siblings being adopted, what happened to these precious young babies makes me angry and breaks my heart
It wasn't until I was older that I realized my step-dad's fear about CPS taking me and my brother away after we had a string of accidents in a short period of time. My brother broke his arm when he tripped and fell on the sidewalk, and then I fell (at school) and broke mine about 3 weeks later. About a week after my brother's cast came off, he was rollerblading in the house for some reason, fell, and broke his OTHER arm. We didn't know yet that he had a digestive issue that impacted his absorption of nutrients/bone strength. Hearing stories like this, I completely understand why he was worried!
My husband and I were foster parents for 7 years. All I can say is out of all the kids that we had, the biological parents were never guilty of any wrongdoing and the extended family was always perfectly able to take care of children. Sarcasm. The government doesn’t want your kids. In our experience the children were taken from horrible circumstances and never just one possible “accident “.
That was my thoughts too, the parents know their kids' files are sealed and redacted so they can say whatever they want. Maybe the broken leg shed light on the boys' living conditions that were not acceptable but then how was she able to keep her older kids? Nothing in this case makes sense.
I understand what you are saying but then why wasnt the other 2 children also taken from the bio mother. She said she has 2 other kids so it seems very strange that the other 2 werent taken.
This heart breaking case is yet another example of a broken system..from the West couple to the Hart couple I really feel that there are some vetting issues in the foster care process that seem to effect the black or brown community more than others.
The Hart case broke my heart so much. Those poor children suffered so much and everyone around them - failed them 😢
Exactly. Seems like these people make adopting children their business. Their income. It has nothing to do with wanting to help children. It's all about the money and looking like altruistic saints. It makes me so angry and sad.
@@laur131306 As an adoptee (through an agency not the foster system), I agree.
Something else worth noting- states receive $40 million for adopting out more kids in the current year than in the previous year. This can be a major incentive for children to be taken from homes. Between that, morbidly under staffed social services, prejudices in enforcement and legal systems, predators who take advantage of the vulnerable... It *can* be an ugly system.
Hart...I must have missed that one... There's another case in Hawaii that got little to no coverage. The little girl's name was Isabella (forgot the last name) whose adoptive parents were arrested a couple months or so after they reported her missing. Partially also because her siblings talked... I wonder if she has been found by now, have to look for an update. My heart breaks for these poor children 💔😥
@@Galaxie08 the Hart story is sickening. They adopted a bunch of kids for the money and mostly appearances and abused them severely. When the state was finally catching up to them, the moms drugged the children with benadryl and drove them all off of a cliff killing them all. 😞
the District Attorney is such a badass!!!! I have 100% faith in her.
I agree
Since when does CPS take away parents rights altogether and allow children to be adopted from one incident? How many times other kids have been allowed to go back into horrific conditions but these boys get taken forever from one incident? WHAT?!
That's why I'm thinking theres a lot more to that story. Seems these poor boys were failed at every turn 😞
They don't. The goal of the foster system is always reunification whenever possible. Most children in foster care are NOT eligible for adoption. These poor boys were taken from one awful situation and put into an even worse one.
@@laur131306 there has to be more to it. If there isn't...that is crazy
@@cassie1264 all they talk about is the one incident that supposedly had nothing to do with the parents though. Seems crazy to me if that’s true that they could be allowed to be adopted.
I think there is more to the story. The biological parents may be lying. CPS give parents more than enough leeway (often too much) and more than enough time (like 2-3 years) to prove that they are suitable parents. I was in foster care. My bio dad INSISTS he did nothing wrong, but I remember otherwise.
Not to say there aren't abusive people in the foster system either
“ it’s almost like it never happened at all “
Truer words never have been spoken xo
Those poor little boys
I've been questioned by cps in the hospital with the first major fracture my daughter had while they were waiting for the test to come back saying whether or not she had Osteoimperfecta. It still makes you nervous when you know you didn't abuse your child because they have the say in whether or not you get to take your child home. Even when there are no signs of abuse. I can't imagine how horrible the boy's mother feels. I would be so enraged that my babies were given to strangers and the find out that they died. This is just horrific.
I came for the true crime and was blessed with Stephanie and her hubby having a great time in the kitchen! I needed that happiness more than you know 💜
I feel so heartsick for their biological mom. I just can’t fathom, truly I cannot. How incredibly gut wrenching.
Watching her interview is so hard, because you can tell in her mother's heart that she knows they are no longer with us. Just devastating.
And yet she managed to have them taken from her. None of this would've happened had she not abused her sons. It is that simple. People need to stop with all this nonsense about her doing nothing wrong. It started with the boy's biological parents...they failed as parents. They should've protected their sons not abused them. I doubt very much that CPS just goes around pulling kids out of homes for no reason.
Nonsense? If the information we have been given was accurate, she was literally not home when her son was injured, she was at work and the kids were with a babysitter. And yes, there have been many horror stories of child services not investigating properly or just flat out not believing the parents and taking kids away for minor things (in fact, someone here in the comments below wrote her own story of her kid being taken for no good reason). Of course the public doesn't know the whole story and we don't know the bio parents personally enough to know how honest they are, but it's not impossible for what they say to be true.
J~what a rude uneducated & disheartening comment! Let’s face the facts. The boys were no longer in the custody of the bio parents. They were adopted & those ADOPTIVE parents are the ones in jail being held without bond. Held on charges of MURDER. This is their fault at this point in time. NOT the bio family! No matter what reason the kids were removed gives any justification for murder of the boys! If you read more about this story you would know better of why they were removed. Not just your 2 minutes of skimming through their situation.
Wherearetheboys?!💙💙
@@JenNoRun I'm well aware of the situation....watched the video and paid very close attention, unlike you. I'm also aware that you have not read the CPS file on the mom. It sounds like you don't have children so that may be why you can't understand that it's a mother's job to protect her child at all costs. I get it...being responsible doesn't come easy for some people. You have your opinion and I have mine. Name-calling only shows me that you can't control yourself...something you and all the parents in this situation have in common.
November 16, 2024: As a Nana this is so sad. How could these precious boys be harmed and now deceased. Please continue to follow the trial Stephanie you bring such detail to any case. What happen to provoke not one but two littles to be taken out of this world. I pray for these littles and their birth Mom. Once again CPS has it wrong. I realize they are overwhelmened but please protect the innocent.
For some reason I didn’t see this this morning so I’m having beer and not coffee 🤗 thanks for always keeping me company while I do dishes etc.
My heart is so broken for the mother .. basically loosing them twice! Sending her love and strength!! Fly high baby boys!! Warning sign #1 was them two monsters changing the boys names .. who does that!? ❤️🙏
She should have been a good mother so the boys didn't have to be removed!
@@lunablue499 . EXACTLY! She is not innocent in this either! She bears the responsibility of losing her kids to be adopted out.
My parents changed my name when I was adopted.
she smoked pot, that's not being a bad mother. it's legal in half the country.
@@TurkeyFarmerGirl . If the state tells me they will literally adopt out my two babies if I fail a drug screen and pot is on that screen - you better know DAMN well I’m not even being in the same ROOM with weed. Hell, if they put coffee on that screen….anything! I don’t care where pot is or is not legal. She KNEW failed screens would result in the loss of her CHILDREN.
They were adopted extremely fast! I've never heard of a process that fast.
Literallyyyyyy I have 2 sisters and a niece and nephew whom went through the adoption process with a very special woman SUE (whom is now passed 😭)!
BUT THIS PROCESS WAS LONNNNGGGGGG AND HARD AND COST A TON OF MONEY
Excellent coverage as usual Stephanie. I was particularly impressed with how you showed pictures and interviews that I hadn't seen.
Thank you so much!
This case is just... devastating. Such precious little boys. Why adopt at all, or foster, if you don't feel love for children and want to protect and cherish them? Heartbreaking! And I am so happy you enjoyed your break! You've definitely earned that! Take time any time you need to, Stephanie. We love you!
They do it for money 💰 I used to work for National Grid and heard some dispicable things from foster parents on the phone. Talking about having to get more foster kids to pay the gas bill!!!!! ☹️😢🙆♀️🤢😭😭RIP Sincere and Classic 💕💕❣️❤️ 🙏🙏
$$$$$$$ has NOTHING TO DO WITH KIDS unfortunately!😕
My thought was that they do this for food stamps and checks and stuff.
Swear I feel at home watching your videos. Like going to Sunday dinner at Nonnas but instead it’s like you’re my aunt and you have all the wisdom. Much love!!
Before I start the video, I just wanted to say that I’m glad you’re covering this case.
I live in Bakersfield, Kern County….this case has been heartbreaking for everyone here.
Orin and Orsens birth names are Cincere and Classic. I’m horrified that they were missing three months before being reported missing. The Mojave desert surrounding California City is huge and vast. If they were put there, there’s no telling where they are.
Absolutely it is tragic. I’m in Bakersfield as well & been following this from the beginning. I was really hoping for a better outcome. I do hope they find their bodies still 🙏🏼
I grew up with a girl in my neighborhood who lived with foster parents. They were horrible people. So much abuse and neglect. They did it for the paychecks. It definitely does happen - and it happens a lot more than you think.
I read that California City (100 miles from L.A.), was slated to be a Utopian community. A real estate investor bought up 82,000 acres, with the potential for Medicine, Commerce & Industry. That never panned out. Even though it is California's 3rd largest city, it is largely abandoned.
Hope you had a good vacation 🏝️everyone deserves a break, just got back from Costa Rica 3 weeks ago and I want another one!
That's what I'm saying! I just want to be by the water so bad!
The other gap in their lies is that there is a “beware of the dog” sign. So if they have a dog wouldn’t it have been outside with the boys and Trezell and why wouldn’t it have gone out of the gate with the boys as well? When this goes to trial I have a horrible feeling that it is going to be horrific.
I read somewhere that “Chok” is actually the name of their dog and what the parents were referring to when they said they were out in the back playing with Chok. I was thinking the same thing, that would make it even more suspicious from the start of that were the case. 🤔
Actually I have heard that Chalk was the name of the dog and that the boys were playing with However since not many actual details have been released, I am not sure if that is accurate. It would explain why there were no chalk drawings on the patio.
Dog name is Chocolate..he is called "Choc" for short..he is the fully brown dog out of their 2dogs..
@@youtubeplayer8173 thank you for clarifying that! I wasn’t sure if it was true or not! I find it interesting that when the Wests were interviewed, they kept that vague. They just said the boys were playing with Choc/chalk. They didn’t say the boys were playing with their dog Choc or the boys were making chalk drawings. Left it open to interpretation for sure!
@@foxymama2003surely I'm not on West's side, though I don't see that interview the way most do..it was edited to enhance bias as media does..I have seen the original version.. body language/most statements some scream red flag guilty can be explained, imo. They did respond more clearly to questions in order in uncut interview..bio fam was surrounding them all screaming at once while trying interview, West's were answering more of their questions not always interviewers, as we were led to see..West's had answered same questions multiple times so answers became shortened including the "choc" situation...ppl only assumed "chalk" then started reporting/spreading "sidewalk chalk" when that was never said..and boom misinformation spread like wildfire, on n on it goes..
bio fam lost kids for a reason too..unfortunately those beautiful boys didn't seem have a chance...I hope they can soon be found and properly laid to rest
Stephanie I can relate to your story about your son and his broken leg. I also put my daughter to bed with a broken leg when she was 5. She didn’t act like her leg was broken. So I thought she would be fine in the morning. She is 23 now but I still feel awful
The mom... She knows. My heart is sunk! I can't imagine her pain. I wish she still had her babies! Cps taking babies from good homes to bad homes.
As a child that aged out of Tn foster care I can confirm the system is broken, DHS is 50/50 you're lucky to get a good case worker and good family. I pray these people If 100 percent guilty serve life and rot. Those boys shouldn't have been taken from their biological family!
I watch a lot of true crime, and every time someone is guilty, they say “I just want them back” “we just want them back”. It’s so weird!
I think you just quoted Chris Watts.😟
I think it’s because they’ve seen parents who’ve actually lost their kids say this and they’re trying to play the part
In early 2020 (before the world fell apart), my then almost 6 year old daughter was playing at church when another boy fell on her. She cried for a while and then went about her day as normal.
By Wednesday, she was playing outside and suddenly she screamed bloody murder. She was crying inconsolable about her arm being sore. It was the first time since the Sunday, so Sadly I didn't take her too seriously at first 🙈 but later that afternoon I couldn't take her whining anymore so we went to the ER.
The doc there did an exam, asked her to lift her arm, which she did, told me nothing was broken or bruised, and since there would have been a lot of bruising if it was broken, it is probably just sprained.
Took her home.
Thursday she had a grandma and grandpa day at school where they did a sing and dance show for the grandparents. Both my mom and mom in law are nurses and have been for over 20 years, they took videos of her laughing, pulling faces and lifting that arm to dance.
Friday morning she was in tears, begging me to take her back to the doc as the arm was just too sore. This time I took her to our general gp, he barely touched her and she recoiled, he turned around and told me he suspects her collar bone is broken.
Sent us of for xrays. Called everyone and told them, and LITTERALLY EVERYONE said they didn't think anything was broken and we were just waisting our time.
I went a head with the xrays tho, and and hour later as we are sitting in the docs office, he looks at my kid just laughing and chatting away, and says "if I didn't have the xrays in front of me, I wouldn't have believed it myself. Her collar bone is broken and is already showing signs of healing, so it has probably been broken since Sunday".
I heard later that the collar bone is one of the hardest bones in the body to break. Imagine if they had decided that was enough reason to come take my kid?
Parents make mistakes! We are not trained medical professionals. Sometimes we miss stuff. I felt like shit for months after!!
Parents do make mistakes. I’m guessing we are missing some info that hasn’t been revealed yet. Do you know of anyone having their child taken away because of a broken bone in an accident? Then after that being adopted out to foster parents? Not another parent? Not another relative? It doesn’t make sense.
@@jmac6350 I agree, that certainly is suspicious.
I was more referring to Stephanie telling about her own sons accident.
I saw another comment where a nurse mentioned that the twist in the fracture is actually was is really suspicious as that rarely happens by accident.
My 8 yo son slammed his finger in the classroom door at school and broke the tip of his finger in multiple places and acted so fine that the school didn't even think to call me and he was "fine" all night. Then cut to the next morning and the end of his finger is a deep purple so I take him in and they take x-rays and low and behold it is broken. But what does he do? Dances around the room like a dork. Kids react differently to pain than an adult would and you can never blame yourself for not knowing something. You do the best with the information you have.
Was tying my hair up, and was pleasantly surprised to look down during the intro to steph saying hi to us 😁 I was like “heyyyy” 😆
The "system" is so difficult for bio families to navigate. I am a foster parent and I have learned that the system is very biased. They have hurt too many bio families.
That’s true and it’s tragic but it’s more tragic that so many bio parents lose custody of their kids for things they can control- drug use, abuse, neglect.
It’s insane to hear about parents who have more children despite losing previous children to the system but it seems common. I wish we could enforce mandatory birth control on anyone who’s unable to care for children.
@@mtz6198 ah yes… the classic concept of eugenics. Love it 🤦🏽♀️
@@mtz6198 Okay but “unable to care for children” is such a vague line and ends up becoming a slippery slope, allowing for the advocation against disabled people, people of color, people with even minor felonies, etc… to not be allowed to have children because they can’t care for them like a neurotypical 2 parent home can.
I wish we could refer to these boys as Cincere and Classic. It seems so disrespectful to refer to them by the name those people gave to them
I honestly wish that foster/adoption parents would not change their foster child’s name. It strips them of their identity
I agree. They were 3 and 4. They knew their names. How confusing for children to have their first names changed like that.
I hope those foster parents rot in jail. The interview they did when the boys went missing was just awful. They looked so fake...like they didn't give a shit and knew the boys were already deceased.
God Bless those two babies - Cincere and Classic.
I stay consistent with what’s being reported
Honestly I didn’t think it would be allowed to change their names I find this really surprising.
@@StephanieHarlowe no complaints with you at all, girl. I'm a relatively new subscriber and I've been binge watching your videos for at least a week now 😂As always you did a phenomenal job shining a light on this case.
I just hate how those awful foster parents basically erased those boys from existence. Not only did they probably take their lives but they changed their names. It's just heartbreaking. Those boys should've never been with those people in the first place.
OMG You & your husband are sooo cute dancing in the kitchen!!! ♥️♥️♥️
When he described the children as rambunctious I got the chills… did their ‘discipline’ result in serious injury and they had to cover it up?
Its hard enough having patience for your own kids , they had 6 and not their own. Something may have snapped.
This is the video I’ve been waiting for! My heart is absolutely broken over these little boys!! 💙Cincere & Classic💙