XLX2 vs X Series ESCs- What you NEED to know!
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2020
- We finally get a review and size comparison up and out with the new XLX2 from Castle. AMAZING performing esc with some special goodies it has installed on it as well! we go over all the other newer X series escs from Castle as well.
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What is the difference between an esc 8s 200amp and an esc 8s 500amp ?
Question will a 1520 motor sensored will it work on a Mamba Monster X 6s
What part of Florida are you running in?
@@tobydyes yes
Do u think a xt90 connector will be fine on 8s with the mamba x
Love the Information dude.
Man love the information. You've helped me so much
Appreciate you liking it. Your benefit!
Had to watch it twice this was very good
love these comparisons, very helpful!
Glad it helped you out!
This video man keep em coming big fan from UK
Huge thanks! Really appreciate that!
Nice! Luv the info. Definitely helps me make a choice for my X-MAXX, "SHELBY".
THANXSOMUCH, KEEP ON BASHING !
Great vid. Currently I have a mamba x, and a mamba monster x 6s. I’ve read 170 amp peaks using 4s on the mmx. I recon it good for 200amps as my temps are still quite low :)
Love your Reviews bro🔥🔥🔥🔥💪🏾
Thank you! More to come
You can also waterproof those circuit boards yourself with silicone modified conformal coating. I used that stuff on my flight boards when I flew fpv!
Good info thanks man..👍
All looking beautiful bro that trx 4 just looks superb and love how you altered the place to make the crawling even cooler 👍👍 made me chuckle when the black one went blasting into the water at the end 😂😂 top stuff as always
Haha appreciate that for sure! Yeah water happens!
🤣🤣 I'm sorry about that comment bro it was meant for rc clans latest video but RUclips automatically switched to your video so it left it here 🤣🤣 I wasn't even aware what channel it had changed to after I pressed back 🤣🤣 thanks for the reply tho I bet you was thinking this guys on drugs 🤣🤣😂😂
@@zingzing_media all good no worries
Love your vids bro 😎
Good knowledge bro. Thx for sharing
Appreciate you watching sir
Thanks for the great video!!
Yessir anytime!
Super Informative. This is very knowledgeable!
I am still a novice hobbyist but would love to one day acquire the skills you have.
Greatly appreciate it for sure. I am glad you learned from it. Share the video so others can do the same 😉
i love there esc's. been running them since 2005.
Amazing escs. Definitely come a long way
THANKYOU! LOVE THIS COMPARISON. NOW I JUS NEED TO GET THE ESC'S!! 🤣 I HAV ALL THE CARS TO PUT EM IN.
Certainly glad you liked the video!
Great review man! Thanks. Castle is awesome but I can't deny I'm a little disappointed in your hobbywing reference. They have great reliable stuff as well. Run them in different trucks and no issues so far.
Keep up thé good work 💪
Good info thanks . . .
So cool 😎
I love the part on xlx2 that i can basicly unsolder the power wires and replace them if they ever get damaged.
Awesome info. Thanks
Glad you liked it
If the XLX retails for about $430-$450 here in Australia, I'm guessing the XLX2 will likely fetch $500-$550 (possibly more) if or when it ever gets released here. Insane!! It's one of the reasons so many use Hobbywing here, it's priced so much better. Speed runners will still dig deep for the Castle gear, but the everyday basher will almost always go HW. Castle is just a bit much, not to mention, it's almost non-existent here. I've heard of so many people having to buy direct from the USA because there just can't find anything locally. And it's been this way for years...
This was great and very good info, bro. Very well done. 😊👍 Do you still need to plug the ESCs into a laptop/PC to program them or is there an easier way? That's one thing, I have to say, that Hobbywing has always done better and easier. Probably not as refined and no data logging, but much easier to program nonetheless.
Appreciate it! Yeah I absolutely agree. BUT. "There is no compromise in real speed" money won't matter if you want something to work at an extreme you can't cut corners. It is unfortunate though that the price is significantly boosted by default for you guys. Yep it's the same way as any other castle ESC. Plugs to computer or bluetooth via B-link
@@InnovationRC thanks Brandon, appreciate it. 🤜🤛
Aussie RC Playground yeah man I feel bad for all non americans, this hobby is expensive as hell for you guys. For all my bashers I just run mamba monster 1’s and 2’s, they run the coolest out of any 8th scale esc I’ve ever used and I get them for just over $100 on eBay shipped. I don’t really know much about their newer escs, still have never even used the first mamba monster x, too expensive for me.
Ppl getting 165mph real speed with tp and max 5 soon why buy castle????? Love hobbywing and don't catch fire lmfao lol 😆
@@mychalpstanton9188 never get that speed with an hb esc
To bad castle esc's are catching fire 🔥
Fact. My m41 Castle esc blew up in the boat at high speed. Melted areas of the boat and cover..
@@kingdamiealderdice8413 get them too replace it...its a known issue
Very informative. I just purchased the Mamba X for my speedrun build... I guess I should've purchased a Monster X. 😭 lol thanks for your video!
250$ isn’t bad for that awesome Esc it nice looking toon I say it worth the money for me i’d get a stock rc time to time you can get parts like these to just make your rc more faster more durable and just extra fun 🤩
This video came just in time. My Max 8 just went up in flames and I was wondering what to replace it with.
How? On what car? I'm getting ready to put a Max 8 on my Erevo, something I need to know?
Me to, I did not even get 1 speed run.😩
Great vid! Im working on a car that is only 2300 grams now all complete minus the coming XLX2 esc and lipos.. Should be scary to run on 8s! 😁
You will have all the power you desire! It's defined, as powerful as your weakest link. That is crazy
real powerful XLX 2 🤛🏻🤩🤩
Awesome
4:27 not sure of the MMX but the MMX8s has an aux channel for remote adjustment of user's choice. a big reason why I like the ESC / consider it good value
Thanks.
Do you think you could ever do a real world performance test between the xlx2 and mmx8s? In the same rig with the same motor and gearing and see how data logs compare? (Obviously something that both ESCs could handle). I'd be curious to see what the differences would be in power delivery, temperatures, etc...
What castle motor and ESC would you put in the XRT Traxxas, knowing that it would be used for low speed/high torque( for towing, pushing), some bashing and normal speeds? What pinion and spur gears would be best? Merry Christmas, happy holidays
Wow !
Great video
Thank you sir
Soo what motor/esc combo would be best for my E-Revo 2.0? I'll be running the biggest 6s batteries I can, and mainly high speed runs in open fields.
i just want to hear the Beep beep beep beep when you turn it on 😂 cuz to me i love that sound and hey you have a good Ecu when you have power well if you wanna make it go zoom
Nice !
Thank you sir!
I'm forced to replace my Hpi savage x v2, I'm afraid that the MMX 8s won't fit...and I'm choosing between the new G2 HW max 8, but they are not very easy to get. I'm curious about what u would do in my situation, I only run 4-6s, but might be smart to purchase 8s capability for the future right?
Question for you is it a good idea to make extensions for my motor wire plugs on xlx2 because mine come out often... I've spread out tines on male side just wondering what options I have? Re solder new ones or?? I solder for aerospace industry so I'm qualified lol
Would you be able to do a review on the castle copperhead on road esc?
Nice
Good video bro.
Appreciate that for sure!
Lol like the hobbywing shade
i have a 1/10th scale E-revo brushless V1 i want more power and speed out of it what set up should i go with ?
The ol' Baja 5b Flux that hasn't been ran in 5 years or so might be getting an upgrade soon...
Great video love your speed runs does them xt150 connectors in 6mm and do you recommend them thanks for the great speed runs keep um coming
They are solid connectors rated at 200a I believe. If you plan on speed running I would go 6.5mm or 8mm.
Ok was going to buy a arma typhon 6s v4 for speed and some bashing mostly speed though do you recommend that rc thanks
Hello. I was told by a couple people that the xlx is better for just bashing because the wires are soldered to the board. I do alot of jumping. They also said the xlx2 isn't good for bashing because it's only the bullets soldered to the board and the bullets come off easily. What is your opinion on this?
Hello! I bought a Traxxas UDR roller, so I am looking for a good combo now.
What do you guys think about getting the Castle 1515 + Mamba X or Mamba Monster X? Any other recommendations are welcome as well.
Thank you 😊
I would recommend the 1717 1650kv motor over 2200. Size and weight class sod the udr I think needs a bigger can
Do you think I can do 150Mph with a Mamba X 8s and what Castle motor do you recommend for a front(stock) motor setup in an Infraction? Sorry...that was a lot to ask. I'm trying to get to 150Mph(eventually) Currently at 121Mph in my Slash 4x4. I can't find an XLX2 anywhere in Canada..yet. I do have a Max5 sitting in a box but I can use it on another car later. I'm also banging my head trying to figure out if I can do front motor setup or if I will eventually be forced to do a motor mount flip and run the motor on the rear to achieve 150Mph. I just would rather set it up once than keep rebuilding it. Sorry for the long post...lol. Any ideas are appreciated.
I'd choose the castle 1717 on 8s. Definitely the easiest way to bolt in and have the most amount of power
Question for you what do you think about those new 400 amp ESC on eBay? Would they be good for 12s on a 2028? Or just run a xlx2? Thanks man your the 🐐 in this stuff
What's up, I mean if you intend to run higher voltage then yes the flier 400a esc is decent. But I. Myself doesn't need more than 8s power imo
I have 2 mmx8s I've ran for awhile. 80mph in the xmaxx on badlands so far. and two xlx2 combos on the way pre ordered. shooting for 100mph xmaxx and 90 ish mph dbxle2
Easily possible with solid batteries
@@InnovationRC What kind of batteries would you recommend? getting a sensored 1450kv tp motor built right now...have gens ace 100c 75004s Lihvs and smc 9700 120c graphenes. I plan to test both with different motor combos, from the 2028 800kv,1100 kv and the 1450kv tp in the xmaxx. I Will prob stick to the 800kv in the dbxle2.
@@RCKYOTA solid choices. The smc will do the best of those batteries
@@InnovationRC cool, thanks for the reply. Love the videos
@@RCKYOTA all good thank you!
Somebody should do a castle and mgm comparison video.
Sept 2022 - thought I'd ask what your thoughts were on some YT'bers claiming that the most recent esc firmware updates from Castle limiting the capacity to draw previous max amp levels...?
Unfortunately I believe that is true nowadays. When I beta tested the xlx2 I couldn't kill it. Today they aren't the same.
Hey what good motors can i pair with the xlx2?
Hi! I have a question so please bear with me as I am relatively new at this! You mentioned that based on your data, the Monster 8s is 350 A + and the XLX2 is 500 A +!
Is this the maximum peak current or the maximum continuous current?
Thanks a lot!
That’s gonna have to be burst peaks. The wires cannot physically carry that much current continuously. Even for 150A continuous in stranded copper wire, you’d need 1/O sized wire, which is very large. Picture arc welding cable.
That XLX2 is an absolute beast esc. Popping the tops off the MMX8S & XLX2 I'm surprised the XLX2 doesn't have any Capacitors like the MMX8S has. Thanks for the informative Vid buddy
Appreciate you watching it. Yeah the caps on xlx2 are inside and under the board. Inaccessible to us
It has capacitors . They are under the shroud.
@@RCKYOTA Thanks. 👍
Now if we can get some vehicles with quality diffs that would be nice Arrma
I never had an issue with differentials. I guess it depends might be a defect in a part or something that won't correctly align the gears right from the start
finally they do something more powerful finally 😅 it's about time
the reason why i quit this hobby i was soooo bored buring esc
nice video brother 👌👌
Just buy a good brand, like Traxxas or Arrma brushless Ready to Run (rtr)
There pretty good out of the box now. 👍🏻
Yes man come back! Xlx was choking out awhile back and now it just died into a newer more efficient version! You'll certainly be happy!
Regards the MambaX, with a lot of 10th cars are getting close to 8th, Yeti,smt10, losi mt etc, will the MambaX handle these cars on 3-4s with hot motors? i am a newb.
I would say yes it could. But if your wanting to run a true 1/8 motor. Why not run a true 1/8 esc also? 90% of 1/10 vehicles are easily capable to run bigger escs. I'd suggest a castle mamba monster x 6s or mm2 for affordability
How good is the mamba monster 2 esc
Just waiting four my mamba x8s esc be delivered today so I can see what it can do with my 1520 motor
You'll love that esc. Amazing motor to pair up with it
So for a K8S bashing environment which ESC is better? 🤔
If you are bashing I normally ran the mamba monster x 8s and was cool. But if you desire to be COLD, lol go with xlx2. Mmx8s already covered bashing criteria for vehicles under 40lbs
I like castle creations, but I used a max 10 sct 120amp and a 2000kv in my tmaxx and loved it. But idk. I ball on a budget, so im not scared to admit cheaper is close enough. Especially to have fun.
Nothing wrong with that setup. Whatever works stay with it!
Hobbywing is dope. I use hobbywing in everything except my xmaxx.
What is weird is there are a TON of XLX2 reviews done on or right around Sept. 23rd of 2020. I wonder why that is...
Can the XLX2 handle running 2 Powerhobby 4S 15.2V 9000mah 120c Graphene Lipo Batteries or would that be above its voltage limit?
None of castles ESCs recommend running high voltage lipos. Your unit may be able to handle it, but they're not technically rated for it.
What about the MmX(6s)?
Why castle doesn't write motor limits on escs ?🤔
How many amps do you think the mamba monster x 6s can put out? And why didn't castle put that one in an aluminum case?
The monster x 6s is an old esc! That's why it's plastic. Can handle around 160 amps or so
@@InnovationRC thank you.
I just stretched out my Arrma Typhon 6S. I had the MMX 8S originally in it during my design but had to send it back to Castle, the brakes weren't working. So I had a MMX 6S spare & decided to use it to test out the newly stretched setup. I ran it on 4S, 34T/34T & a 2200kv motor just to get a feel of the new suspension setup. Car pulled 85mph @ 206A. Did 3 passes checking temps between passes. Data log showed a max temp of 167F after the 3rd pass. A little high, but still within spec. I thought 206A was high, but I just saw someone else pull 246A on it, 120mph, also with a 2200kv motor. He did go into thermal cutoff by the end of the run, but dang, surprised that the MMX 6S can push 200A+.
I pulled 400amps on Mmx8s and it went up in flames. So it can not handle it.
I've done it. That's why I said SOME guys pull 400 amps. Esc can do it. It's meant to do 350.
If your solder joints are bad that's what can cause a fire.
Innovation RC yeah some can pull off in a burst I guess (speed run) but mine wasn’t when bashing. The hobbywing did good So have to keep Mmx8s for smaller 6s stuff from now on. I’ll try xlx2.
It's debatable for sure. Some guys can do 400 many times. And sometimes an esc can maybe do 350 then blow up... Guess it depends on a bunch of internals
I used the xlx2 with a Neumotor 1530/0.75d and 6s 120c smc pack. In a limitless of course...I reached 50+mph speed covering a distance of only 242 meters...guess if I kept going I would've reached the 100s easily. The esc was stone cold, but the motor was hot REALLY hot...gearing was 37 spur and 33 pinion. Motor Kv is 2650/v.
You geared a 2650kv motor with a 33t pinion???🤦🤦🤦You are INSANE!!!🤣🤣🤣And you said your motor got REALLY hot??? I'm surprised the motor didn't just stop working completely from you melting the insides🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯
@@kenricknelson310 that's exactly what neumotors are made for....gearing them to heaven!
@@teacheroftheages Yeah but you said that your motor got "REALLY hot"...So that's a "CLASSIC" tall tale sign of maybe you might want to lower that gearing some for that motor🤣🤣🤣, besides there's no way you would have hit 100mph "EASILY" if#1 it took 793ft for you to hit 50mph etc...and#2with your motor heating up that fast with just one pass. But I'm sure that you're going to give me all the reasons why I am wrong so enjoy your Neu motor sir👍👍👍😎😎😎💯💯💯
@@kenricknelson310 I don't even care
....I haven't used the car for well over a year ......enjoy your rides pal
Hi how are you I bot a 8s outcast Which motor do you recommend for a little more torque and speed
I would go with the new 1100kv 2028 from Castle.
I respect Castle ESCs for being good for speed-runs and stuff. I personally wouldn't buy a Castle ESC unless I hear really good things about them because I've had a very bad experience buying a couple of their ESCs and them stop working within a short time period. I think Castle gives you the best performance for the money but the ESCs are generally not very reliable.
Anyone know if truck and buggy esc’s,,,,, can be installed into an 90mm in runner jet?
Probably could I don't see why not
So what causes no reverse breaking, forward is fine but slams in to forward when applying break from reverse. Thanks for your time.
You may need to recalibrate. If you hit the throttle and the esc is showing a RED light then you are really reverse polarity. Need to recalibrate and ensure you have the wires plugged in the correct terminals
Thanks I'll let u know
U mean calibrate tx to esc
Castle Fireworks Creations! 😂
I've been spiking close to 190A on my Mamba X during speed runs on 3s, should I be worried?
Your fine 😃
@@InnovationRC thanks man good to know, and great video! Whereabouts in Florida are you? That road you run on is fantastic. I'm up in PSL and the best speedrun place we have is a huge warehouse building loading docks lol
Will the XLX2 fit in a ARRMA EBX? thanks,
It will be difficult but you can probably squeeze it in there. I'd recommend a mamba monster x 8s. Xlx2 is overkill
@@InnovationRC thank you!
I'm so damn impressed with the xlx2. I had a max5 800kv setup that failed, the motor would get to like 170 on 39/39 after a pack. The 1100kv xlx2 combo is not only faster at 30/39, but it stays so damn cool! 120f on the motor 100 on the ESC after lots of hard pavement pulls.
What are you running it in? I was thinking about going with the xlx2 1100kv combo due to my 800 kv motor shaft somehow being bent. I have the mmx8s right now
Do you think you could fit the XLX2 under an infraction body without cutting up too much?
Well I cut the bed to my infraction... I guess a yes? Lol
It would be overkill the mmx8s in the infraction with a 1717 already makes the tires literally smoke. And you waste them in 10 mins flat drifting. This would be like 4x the power
Shawn Johnson no but esc thermals for speed runs can improve.
@@TKO593 i run it the mmx8s in am 80 mph xmaxx and a dbxl, just slap a better fan on the esc and you won't have any heat.issues. look for a 1amp+ 40x40x29 server fan it Will bolt right on the .mmx8s
Nice fam 💪🏾💯
Thanks for watching coach
I really want to like Castle's ESC's. Especially since they're made here America, but I haven't owned one that didn't have major problems 4 months into ownership. From my experience their ESCs have been straight garbage. However, their motors are fucking awesome. I have had nothing but great experiences when it comes to thier motors, especially the current line (with the exposed solder tabs I can do my own wire and solder work).
Try some of the newer ones the 3 newer style listed here are absolutely amazing. Monster x,.xx8s,xlx2 I've ran the first two a ton with zero issues.
I wish there was a marine ESC equivalent to these
The Hydras back in the day were awesome... But they are only a memory
Will the MMX8S handle a TP 4070 motor of 2200kv or 2700kv to make a stretched typhon go 100mph?
Yes it certainly will. Ensure your solder joints are solid and connectors decently sized for that application
you don’t need that much power…
Awesome! YOU SHOULD DO A GIVEAWAY OF THE XLX2. AND THEN I WIN IT! WHAT YOU SAY?! 😄
Yeaah lol if I was one of those rich RUclips guys I'd support all my followers in this hobby. Unfortunately not so 😉
@@InnovationRC Yea lol. Worth a shot! ;)
Bonjour puis avoir le sites pour commander svp pour mon kraton 8s
Is that XLX2 capable of 12S? If not, does Castle make any ESC's capable of 12S?
It is 8s max, Castle have the Phoenix Edge Helicopter esc for 12s, has no brakes so you have to use a mechanical brake.
Sorry for the late reply there's hundreds of comments! This xlx2 is made after the original xlx. So same voltage threshold as previous model
On Castles website it states that it can handle up to 12s, any truth to that?
That isn't correct. The esc is most capable of 8s voltage. If paired with the 800kv motor. That motor can run up to 12s. Not the esc
Have you or anyone on here ran the mama x on 6s yet? Does it hold up?
Yes I have. It holds up ok, gets warm after 10 or so minutes. Except I ran it in a 1/8 buggy so it's expected. Running 3-5s is solid all around with decent temperatures
@@InnovationRC thanks man thats good to know. I have a 2wd rustler with the 1515 motor I've been setting up for speed runs that im running it with tell i get my mmx8s in. I just don't wanna burn it down when I have a bigger esc laying around.
Is it out for sale yet?
Should be very soon
xlx2 blows up .
For power handling where would rate the max 5 and 6.
Max 6 states it's a 160a esc. Max 5 is a 200a esc. They are also waterproof which is great, but can't data log and very limited tuning abilities. I feel in a larger scale vehicle Mamba monster x 8s gives the max 5 a run for its money...
@@InnovationRC thanks. I knew the numbers on the hobbywing but different manufacturers see "continuous" differently. I have to get these new castle escs to test. I have 2 of the xlx ones and they have been great.
I low key stated constant amp ratings. Because it's really different for all setups and people but this is going off of personal data. Regarding amperage, Castle is far superior over hobbywing. With the new xlx2 it's now insanely efficient and can handle the constant amperage. This will be a game changer
@@InnovationRC Thanks.
Can the xlx2 run on 12s?
No 8s at most
i am already certain the xl2 can be powered by 6s from an rx8 control board. which means running multiple of em in sensored mode can essentially equal more than a mamba xlx2, and it'd be plug and play for the gen1. the wiring is exactly same and connector is same, i checked thoughoughly. but yes if it would work it'd be 6s sensored tekin esc with no limits. i aleady have a xl2 & xlx and 2x4s bios 60c lipos soo all i need to test it is some rx8 escs gen1 or gen3 doesn't matter i own 3 soldering stations. And sorry i privated my video i never thought i'd get this far. Recently I obtained everything for $940 it included 2xTriton2 EQ 1-8s chargers and baja 5t w/brushless conversion rollcage and savox digital metal gear servo and 2 4s lipos, Proline Trencher tires and 3 bodies 1 of which was a black baja 5T body brand new! So yes I'm so close to actually posting the video AND showing it in action. Let's hope it works castle & tekin are too late. We're doing this in month of Nov for certain. ok! see you on my channel. p.s. i absolutely love the iSDT p30, bg-8s, and fd-200. download the iOS app! also on android. Called SDT Go. Don't buy their 3060 power supply it's pointless to waste money on power supplies. EVERYONE buy the DC chargers and buy AC/DC low end chargers until the solar power supplies gain traction. i've seen some hit the market look at them they're called "desk battery backup solar storage" usually they are 30,000mah 3.7v only problem is energy loss happens converting 3.7 to 35v... So just wait until that gets sorted out THEN whip out the iSDT p30 literally this beast can charge at 30A!!! So better treat it like a new car. Some people say the cheap iSDT 8q will melt the board because of bad manufacturing practices. So to be 100% certain you should see Louis Rossman's channel and learn how to ACTUALLY take care of your electronics. i'm saying inspect everything fix anything you can and then start your hobby. Us we like...no we want to stay out running all-day-long but when your batteries die that's when the fun ends. So please take care now. Also capacitors on esc's need high C-rating otherwise the voltage will contantly drop wearing out the caps until they fail. when that happens the esc melts and you'll never know why; ending up costing you a fortune. So Nov. see you on my channel!
Where’s the mamba monster x?
I think I failed to mention Newer X series escs. Hence no presence of the MMX. Older platform is basically MM2 with logging and more limiters.
Innovation RC bruhh those old mamba monsters were beasts. Especially the 1 and 2. Not so much the X. I was just wondering why it wasn’t here, that makes sense.
@@99thpeanut59 I unfortunately don't have any of the older ones. You are correct. This is comparing the newer X series escs as I stated prior. Mm1 extreme was a beast
Innovation RC still can’t believe you hit 104mph in a 6th scale monster truck... keep the content coming g
What about the sw3&4
They aren't X series. Data logging is not equipped in those guys. So I cannot confirm power capabilities legitimately
Innovation RC ah I’m just trying to build a reliable rig
My xlx2 that was my Christmas gift from my girlfriend made my kraton go up in flames. I have no idea why. 😢
Hi bro. i want to buy this one. can i odder here?
i'm from vietnam
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